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[Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking."]

The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

Maybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.

Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.

You call people names. Is that the limit of your abilities? It certainly seems to be, as your claim that criticising the Israeli Government is an attack on Israel as a whole is about the most stupid thing I've seen in a long time. But you need to make that claim because you don't have a valid argument.


And you proved my point. You cannot actually say that is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite, because you actually think it does.

Are you stupid? I have already said "Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking." You make no distinction between Israelis and Israeli government.

You are the most obvious antisemite here, but not the only one.

The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

Maybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.

Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.

Ah jaysus, It's the Israeli government killing people in Palestine, not Ariel Goldberg, a Joe Bloggs Tailor on Saville Row, London. This is typical a bog-standard tactic, accuse anyone who has a problem with Israel's behaviour as being a jew-hating anti-Semite.

What about Jews who criticise Israel's actions in the region? Are they anti-semites?

Maybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

[Muslim Zionist, Christian Arab Explain Islamic Hatred of Israel]

Muslim Zionist, Christian Arab Explain Islamic Hatred of Israel

A Zionist Muslim and a Christian Arab Reverend explain 'anti-Zionism,' call on moderate Muslim world to wake up.


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By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 6/5/2013, 12:56 PM




Two Zionist, one a Pakistani Muslim and the other an Egyptian Christian Reverend, explained to Arutz Sheva why "anti-Zionist" has become the new code word for anti-Semitism in the Muslim world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2pceu42t8&feature=player_embedded

History shows that Muslim anti-Semitism predated the state of Israel, Zionist Muslim Kasim Hafeez said. However, he explained, it is now called anti-Zionism because the term has become acceptable in the Western world.

Israel "has become an excuse" for the problems in the Muslim world, he noted.

Both Hafeez and Reverend Majed El Shafie, human rights advocate and founder of One Free World International and a convert to Christianity, warned that moderate Muslims must stand up to extremist Islam.

"Radical Islam is a religious supremacist ideology," Hafeez said.

If criticism of Muslim extremism is stifled, "then we're going down a very dangerous path," he warned.

Hafeez and Shafie also discussed the impact of Islam on Europe, persecution of Arab Christians, and Muslim reactions to their criticism.








This irrational hatred of everything jewish is not confined to islam but is also widespread in western groups and organisations that proclaim to be "pro palestinian," filled with individuals who use them as a conduit for their blatant antisemitism. They are more concerned with hurting Israel than helping palestinians.

Mohamed al dura and the mavi marmara are Israel's biggest embarrassments of recent years other than being humiliated by the hezb in 06.

If anyone wants a lesson on how to post the maximum amount of bullshit in a single go, just read over this again.




I really am embarrasssed for you.










Really.

Tell us all again, exactly what humanitarian aid was found onboard Mavi Marmara?


There wasn't one ounce of aid on that ship. It's only cargo was Turkish/international activists intent on confronting Israeli forces. They wanted confrontation and then cried when they got it.

Ball DeBeaver proving he's not jewish. 

If you think for one second that I get paid or I am involved in anyway or connected to any hasbara group, then you are a bigger fool than I gave you credit for, or you are a massive conspiracy theory nut.





Now where did I leave my kippa? 

['I guess the Galilee is not for Jews']

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=9347

Apartheid?

'I guess the Galilee is not for Jews'

The government is building in Sakhnin and selling apartments in Umm el-Fahm, but there are almost no land allocations for construction in the Jewish sector. In the farming community of Migdal, only 30 housing units for young couples have been allocated in the last few years.

Emily Amrousi


Only 30 housing units for young couples have been approved in the community of Migdal (shown), but more than 150 lots have been approved in the Arab village across the road |Photo credit: Wikipedia

Only 30 housing units for young couples have been approved in the community of Migdal (shown), but more than 150 lots have been approved in the Arab village across the road |Photo credit: Wikipedia


Not long ago, a police car stood at Migdal Junction near the Sea of Galilee and lay in wait for serious tax defaulters. The offenders were identified by their license plates. A police truck towed away cars that had been confiscated.


The surprise roadblock led to traffic jams and disrupted the lives of area residents, so we need to ask why the tax authorities didn't just knock on debtors' doors, as is usually done. Why were they forced to block a distant intersection with the help of police? The defaulters, in this case, were members of the Arab sector. Their villages are a no-go area for government employees.


We are on the verge of losing the Galilee. The Jewish minority there feels that the state has given up on them. It's not just a question of demography, but rather a total abdication of the symbols and attributes of sovereignty. There is selective law enforcement due to fear, due to a surge in the number of nationalist and criminal offenses, as well as due to accelerated Islamization. The Zionist dream ends at Route 6.


Yulia and Eran from the Har Yona neighborhood of Nazareth Illit are in despair. Only two Jewish families remain in their building. The harassment and threats have finally driven them to leave. Entire neighborhoods are being emptied of Jews. Shimon and Anat are another couple who have their suitcases packed. They are looking for an apartment in Rehovot. The park under their house in Carmiel is mainly populated by our Arab "cousins."


"So what?" I say, "Arabs have a right to live there." Their daughters are afraid to leave the house, they explain. There is crime, sexual harassment, jeeps tearing by at 140 kilometers an hour in residential neighborhoods. Life has become unbearable. You feel like an outsider in your own city.


"I guess the Galilee is not for Jews," Eran Rosenblit from Nazareth Illit says, nodding in agreement. He tried to organize a conference to save the Galilee, but gave up: "Even Knesset members won't come here."


He sees the government building in Sakhnin and selling apartments in Umm el-Fahm. Meanwhile, there are almost zero land allocations for construction in the Jewish sector. In the farming community of Migdal, only 30 housing units for young couples have been allocated in the last few years.


On the other side of the road, in the Arab village of Wadi Hamam, 150 lots for single-family dwellings have been approved in the same time span. These are just the numbers of official authorizations, on paper. In fact, illegal building dots the Galilee map like dense freckles. Thousands of single-family homes are being built outside the jurisdictional lines of Arab municipalities.


Law enforcement is heavy-handed. An unauthorized room in a Jewish community will lead to huge fines, demolition orders and trips to court. In the Arab sector, nada.


A young couple wanting to realize their dream of a house with a garden, as advertised in the Galilee Development Authority brochures, will encounter bureaucratic obstacles and out-of-touch planning bodies. On the other side of the road, one can see deluxe palaces. If and when a demolition order is issued for a structure in the Arab village, police cancel it for fear of riots. "Riots" is a code word. It is the reason why the Electric Company, the public works department and local councils pay random sums in compensation for land appropriations for public infrastructure and road expansion. Often the government will compensate "landowners" even though there is no proof that the land belongs to them, just to keep the peace.


Arab citizens are generally good and honest people. The problem is not the Arab population, but the State of Israel. It's not the people, it's the system. The Galilee is increasingly escaping our hold. It is getting further away. Intelligence coordinators in the police and Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet) are aware of potential terrorism bubbling under the surface. Weapons are being stored for criminal and nationalist purposes.


In the mosques, you can hear and see the growing religious extremism. Residential break-ins are on a steep increase. Sophisticated gangs are carrying out cattle theft on a massive scale. Farmers wake up in the morning to find their orchards stripped bare of fruit. Is this sovereignty? The police claim they do not have enough manpower, so volunteers from the New Israeli Guardians organization lie in ambush throughout the night to guard Farmer Yossi's lychees and grapefruits.

Not enough of them. Bunch of work shy freaks.




Worse than bloody students. 

The minute they start firing rockets into Israel, I will demand they do. But until that day, a good crack across the nut with a baton will suffice.

[Here ya go Seafoid, a wee story to brighten your. Jews being baton charged by Israeli police.]

Here ya go Seafoid, a wee story to brighten your. Jews being baton charged by Israeli police.



Water cannons used on thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews protesting against army drafting their men which could 'destroy their way of life'
Thousands of protestors clashed with police in heated protest
Rabbis warn drafting men from community will uproot community
Government wants to increase drafting those who have previously been exempt because of religious ground to reduce national burden
Most Israeli men and women called for three years service when they turn 18


By Anna Edwards

PUBLISHED:04:48, 17 May 2013 | UPDATED:04:48, 17 May 2013

Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews clashed with police as they protested in Jerusalem against plans to enlist men from their community into the military.

The controversial proposal is supported by the secular majority pushing for a more equal share of the burden on Israeli society.

A sea of black coats - the traditional attire of ultra-Orthodox men - engulfed Jerusalem streets near the city's military draft bureau yesterday, where the crowd heard rabbis warn that army service would irreparably harm their way of life.

Tens of Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Israelis have clashed with police after protesting against newly proposed government legislation that would see them drafted into the military

Passionate protest: Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said at least 20,000 protesters took part

Face off: Israeli riot police stand guard as ultra-Orthodox demonstrators set bins on fire in Jerusalem

'The government wants to uproot (our traditions) and secularise us, they call it a melting pot, but people cannot be melted. You cannot change our (way of life),' Rabbi David Zycherman told the crowd in an anguished plea.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government has committed to increase drafting ultra-Orthodox men, most of whom receive exemptions on religious grounds, in order to share the national burden and reduce pressure on the middle classes.

The party of Finance Minister Yair Lapid, Netanyahu's main coalition partner, received wide support at the polls in January on a pledge to resist demands by religious parties and to spread the load of army service and taxation more evenly.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said at least 20,000 protesters took part and about a dozen arrests were made when violence erupted and men hurled bottles and stones at officers, some on horseback, who used stun grenades to quell the unrest.



A water cannon was also deployed as protesters set alight garbage bins, a regular occurrence at ultra-Orthdox demonstrations

Most ultra-Orthodox men receive exemptions from army draft on religious grounds

The government wants to change the rules on army drafts in order to share the national burden and reduce pressure on the middle classes

The issue of drafting ultra-Orthodox men into the military is part of a broader struggle between the secular majority and ultra-Orthodox minority over lifestyle in the Jewish state

A water cannon was also deployed as protesters set alight garbage bins, a regular occurrence at ultra-Orthdox demonstrations. At least six officers required medical treatment and two were taken to hospital, Rosenfeld added.

An Israel Radio commentator said the participants came from the most hardline elements of the ultra-Orthodox community who shun any compromise with the authorities on army service and even refuse to recognise the Jewish state for religious reasons.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up some 10 percent of Israel's population of 8 million. Most do not work, they receive military service exemptions and rely heavily on state subsidies for their religious studies and to support their families.

About 60 percent of ultra-Orthodox men engage in full-time Jewish religious studies, keeping them out of the labour market.

About 60 percent of ultra-Orthodox men engage in full-time Jewish religious studies, keeping them out of the labour market

On Tuesday, the cabinet approved a budget draft that will slash spending and hike taxes this year and next to rein in a growing budget deficit. Lapid has warned that failure to implement public spending cuts could cause an economic collapse.

Israel's budget deficit was 4.2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) last year - more than double its initial target -due to overspending by the previous government and lower-than-expected tax revenues as the economy slowed.

The issue of drafting ultra-Orthodox men into the military is part of a broader struggle between the secular majority and ultra-Orthodox minority over lifestyle in the Jewish state.

Most Israeli men and women are called up for military service for up to three years when they turn 18. However, exceptions are made for most Arab citizens of Israel, as well as ultra-Orthodox men and women.


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No, but it would be a good start.

The Palestinians are claiming right of return for 3rd/4th generation refugees. Is that right?
I think anyone who lost their home should be either fully compensated (at today's prices) or have their property back. Generations born outside their parental homeland have no right to return to somewhere that was never theirs. Only those born there should have the "right" to live there.

[Oh sweet jesus and all the saints.]

Oh sweet jesus and all the saints.


Prove to me that the tooth fairy exists. I demand photos and a sisgned confession.

You are a Catholic aren't you?

Not right now, no.

Is it a pre-requisite for posting?

Not at all.

It is just something that only an Irish Catholic, in the Dara O'Briain sense of the words, would say.

Not that my religion (or more specifically, lack of it) is important, but why do you even bring the subject up? Does my view count for less because of my lack of religious conviction?

NO.

I don't ask anyone if they receive the sacrament or if they're handcuffed to the alter rails before engaging in debate so I would appreciate it if the religious persuasions of posters was ignored.

[The Arab world now recognises the right of Israel to exist]

The settlers are not being used as leverage. They are there to ensure the Palestinians never have a state.
That is just nuts. Judaism doesn't understand. The Holocaust does not excuse the occupation. It never did.

So as the Palestinians will not get a state and there are 700,000 Jews squatting on the west Bank, it's going to come down to sanctions.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a civil war in Israel.

Every time there's an upsurge in violence, Israel approves more settlements. Leverage.

Who is going to be the ones involved in this "civil war" you predict?

In 1948 the Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It was not a Jewish country. It was Palestine. It was easier to seize than land in Europe. But it was a stupid place to build a Jewish state.

I hate to tell you, but it was a British territory ruled by Britain, not palestinians. Where would it be better to have a jewish state than their spiritual home, Bolivia, Sweden, Australia? The creation of a jewish state was agreed upon by the world community, with a palestinian state (something palestinians have never had in their history) to be created in tandem.

The Arab world now recognises the right of Israel to exist but Israel wants all the land. It is very hard to see Israel pulling that one off.

Please tell me you don't really believe that.
SOME arab states publicly tolerate Israel while others are openly hostile, even to the point of threatening to wipe it off the face of the earth. The arab states blame Israel every time their citizens dare to revolt against their governments as part of the arab spring.
There are jewish extremists who believe that all Judea, Samaria and Gaza are theirs, but they shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

If the Sephardim want compo let them go to wherever they came from. Israel owes the Palestinians money for 1948.

As the "shepardim" were forced out as a direct result of the conflict, then they are more entitled to compensation than any 3rd/4th generation palestinian born in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon or anywhere else who has never even set foot in "palestine." The neighbouring arab states that attacked Israel and forced out their jewish population are as much a part of this whole sorry mess as anyone. It's time they took responsibility for their part in all of this. Quid pro quo.

"Israel is not going back to the Green Line"

Why not?
anyway there won't be a Palestinian state so it is irrelevant. 

Errrrr, then you need to get on to the UN and Google pretty damn quick then, because they are under the illusion there is. There is a palestinian state. Not the one some people envisage, but then again, the worlds not perfect, is it. It is a fledgling state that has much work to do to fully integrate, but I wish it well.