Anti zionist = anti semitic

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Muslim Zionist, Christian Arab Explain Islamic Hatred of Israel

A Zionist Muslim and a Christian Arab Reverend explain 'anti-Zionism,' call on moderate Muslim world to wake up.


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By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 6/5/2013, 12:56 PM




Two Zionist, one a Pakistani Muslim and the other an Egyptian Christian Reverend, explained to Arutz Sheva why "anti-Zionist" has become the new code word for anti-Semitism in the Muslim world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2pceu42t8&feature=player_embedded

History shows that Muslim anti-Semitism predated the state of Israel, Zionist Muslim Kasim Hafeez said. However, he explained, it is now called anti-Zionism because the term has become acceptable in the Western world.

Israel "has become an excuse" for the problems in the Muslim world, he noted.

Both Hafeez and Reverend Majed El Shafie, human rights advocate and founder of One Free World International and a convert to Christianity, warned that moderate Muslims must stand up to extremist Islam.

"Radical Islam is a religious supremacist ideology," Hafeez said.

If criticism of Muslim extremism is stifled, "then we're going down a very dangerous path," he warned.

Hafeez and Shafie also discussed the impact of Islam on Europe, persecution of Arab Christians, and Muslim reactions to their criticism.








This irrational hatred of everything jewish is not confined to islam but is also widespread in western groups and organisations that proclaim to be "pro palestinian," filled with individuals who use them as a conduit for their blatant antisemitism. They are more concerned with hurting Israel than helping palestinians.
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
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AZOffaly

Ah jaysus, It's the Israeli government killing people in Palestine, not Ariel Goldberg, a Joe Bloggs Tailor on Saville Row, London. This is typical a bog-standard tactic, accuse anyone who has a problem with Israel's behaviour as being a jew-hating anti-Semite.

What about Jews who criticise Israel's actions in the region? Are they anti-semites?

Ball DeBeaver

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 05, 2013, 03:44:43 PM
Ah jaysus, It's the Israeli government killing people in Palestine, not Ariel Goldberg, a Joe Bloggs Tailor on Saville Row, London. This is typical a bog-standard tactic, accuse anyone who has a problem with Israel's behaviour as being a jew-hating anti-Semite.

What about Jews who criticise Israel's actions in the region? Are they anti-semites?
Maybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

qubdub

Why do you love Israel so much?

Denn Forever

I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

Count 10


muppet

The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

QuoteMaybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.
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Ball DeBeaver

Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

QuoteMaybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.
Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

muppet

#8
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on June 05, 2013, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

QuoteMaybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.
Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.

You call people names. Is that the limit of your abilities? It certainly seems to be, as your claim that criticising the Israeli Government is an attack on Israel as a whole is about the most stupid thing I've seen in a long time. But you need to make that claim because you don't have a valid argument.


And you proved my point. You cannot actually say that is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite, because you actually think it does.
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Aerlik

As someone with Jewish and Muslim friends who are equally mutually friends, I have one word for this Shi'ite. 
Zionism = racism.  Judaism equals a religion which is the origins of Christianity (and Islam if one compares notes).
To find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God!


Rossfan

Why does the Israeli spokesman on GAAboard continuallu use massive headlines to his propoganda pieces?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Ball DeBeaver

Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on June 05, 2013, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

QuoteMaybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.
Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.

You call people names. Is that the limit of your abilities? It certainly seems to be, as your claim that criticising the Israeli Government is an attack on Israel as a whole is about the most stupid thing I've seen in a long time. But you need to make that claim because you don't have a valid argument.


And you proved my point. You cannot actually say that is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite, because you actually think it does.
Are you stupid? I have already said "Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking." You make no distinction between Israelis and Israeli government.

You are the most obvious antisemite here, but not the only one.
ani ohevet et Yisrael.
אני אוהבת את ישראל

Puckoon

BdB I'd have a relatively different stance than Muppet, and indeed Seafoid on the Israeli question - but you are down to clutching your last straw if you're going to call Muppet an anti-semite and expect to be taken with any degree of seriousness whatsoever. Catch yourself on.

muppet

Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on June 05, 2013, 06:56:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: Ball DeBeaver on June 05, 2013, 05:28:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 05, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
The words anti-semite have lost all meaning after years of mis-use by people just like BDB.

QuoteMaybe if you watched the video you would understand that they don't say you can't criticise Israel, of course you can, but a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews, not what they are alledged to have done.

Even in the above he cannot simply state that it is ok to criticise Israel (note he says Israel and not the Israeli Government or military) without adding the caveat that 'a hell of a lot of the criticism is down to hatred of jews' thereby conveniently giving himself the ability to call any critics anti-semites.

Try saying this BDB: It is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite.
Don't you see, that's the whole point. Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking. The ordinary joe bloggs in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv has probably never said a bad word about palestinians, yet he is being demonised by the accusation that Israel supports apatheid. The guilt being put on ALL Israelis. They don't want Israel to exist. They want all jews driven into the sea.

You call people names. Is that the limit of your abilities? It certainly seems to be, as your claim that criticising the Israeli Government is an attack on Israel as a whole is about the most stupid thing I've seen in a long time. But you need to make that claim because you don't have a valid argument.


And you proved my point. You cannot actually say that is ok to criticise the Israeli Government and that does not make you an anti-semite, because you actually think it does.
Are you stupid? I have already said "Antisemites like yourself hide behind the cloak of ligitimate criticism, by claiming it is only government policies they are attacking, when in fact it is Israel as a whole, not the Israeli government they are attacking." You make no distinction between Israelis and Israeli government.

You are the most obvious antisemite here, but not the only one.

Could it really be possible that you have nothing else to offer, other than call anyone who disagrees with you an anti-semite?
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