Quote from: smelmoth on May 31, 2024, 02:40:04 PMQuote from: Franko on May 31, 2024, 01:33:20 PMQuote from: smelmoth on May 31, 2024, 12:07:28 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 31, 2024, 08:30:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on May 30, 2024, 04:09:10 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 30, 2024, 11:35:11 AMWhat ever about the local politicians running for Westminster - the only real interest I have in that is the nationalist v unionist count at the end of it. An increase in the number of nationalists might nudge us further towards a border poll.Starmer is the continuity candidate.
It feels inevitable that the Tories are going to lose in a landslide Labour victory and as much as I want to see that, I can't help but feel Starmer is not going to change much. I'm not a fan of his. It's such a pity Labour aren't going in with a Corbyn-esque leader who I think would do some real good. I know he wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I think he was honest and had the good of all people at heart.
Starmer is basically a tory
That really is lazy analysis.
What has defined the 14 years of the Tories in government? How much of that overlaps with Starmer.
The Tories took us out of Europe. Would Starmer have done that?
The Tories have fixated on immigration. Has Starmer?
The Tories have dreamed up bullshit, red meat policies like Rwanda. Has Starmer? Will he back out of the Tory mess?
The Tories are obsessed with Culture Wars and "anti-woke". Has Starmer stoked those issues?
The Tories brought us austerity. As tight as the fiscal situation is, there is no prospect of Osborne era austerity.
The Tories have cosied up to Meloni, Orban etc. No indication or even prospect of Starmer doing likewise.
The big issue of our time is what the Tories are describing as "the green crap". Starmer is miles ahead of the Tories on this.
I don't think anyone even believes that there is a significant overlap between Labour and the Tories on these issues.
Is the Starmer-is-a-Tory trope really just a dissatisfaction with his stance on Gaza? Or is it the failure to recognise that whilst in "ming vase" mode Labour are highlighting the economic shitshow they will inherit and dampening down expectations of what they can achieve, and more importantly, how quickly?
Maybe it's easier not to think about these things and roll out the lazy analysis?
This post is incredibly illustrative of the shift in the overton window that's occurred in British politics.
IMO Starmer is further to the right on most issues than Blair, which would put him very close to 'normal' Tory territory
This breed of Tories are so far to the right that they make every previous Tory leader (apart from Thatcher) looks like a bleeding heart leftie
Which issues is Starmer to the right of Blair on?
Immigration
Benefits
EU (Won't countenance rejoin)
Trade Union links
Middle East issues
to name a few