Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[tiempo]

Maybe he's talking about workload being done this past few months?

I.e. a heavy block of training.

Quite possibly

Blaming the rules is such inane drivel

[lfdown2]

The kickouts could just clear the arc but attackers running onto the ball as it fell made them too easy to intercept inside. Ref couldn't apply common sense as defence never got their hands on the ball. Defenders in the arc means you are out numbered trying to win the kickout I think it would make it much harder for keeper to get ball away. A small sample but it was not an enhancement to the game and puts a lot of pressure on a goalie. First game out but the handing ball back was a nonsense, kids doing keepie ups or not knowing which way a free was given could cost a team points and matches, whilst easy to say players will learn the punishment for a minor technical foul is pretty harsh.

They'll soon learn

[statto]

The kickouts could just clear the arc but attackers running onto the ball as it fell made them too easy to intercept inside. Ref couldn't apply common sense as defence never got their hands on the ball. Defenders in the arc means you are out numbered trying to win the kickout I think it would make it much harder for keeper to get ball away. A small sample but it was not an enhancement to the game and puts a lot of pressure on a goalie. First game out but the handing ball back was a nonsense, kids doing keepie ups or not knowing which way a free was given could cost a team points and matches, whilst easy to say players will learn the punishment for a minor technical foul is pretty harsh.

Id personally do away with the arc completely it certainly will make a mockery in underage games particularly. If a team kicks the ball out quickly that's on the opposition for not being tuned in. Not being able to go back to the keeper should allow the opposition to press the ball high up if they wish should a team get a short kickout off. 
Being able to move a free in and out of the arc for a two pointer doesn't sit well with me either.   

[statto]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

[Milltown Row2]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

[statto]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

[Rossfan]

Hadn't it been 5 seconds advantage since the rule was first introduced?
I believe the FRC decided last weekend on no tweaks for now.

[Milltown Row2]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

So where is the advantage then? The purpose is to favour the attacker, we wanted to have the games be more attacking, If the attacker claims the high ball inside the 21 from a pass from outside the 40 its to award that skill, the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

[Saffron_sam20]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

So where is the advantage then? The purpose is to favour the attacker, we wanted to have the games be more attacking, If the attacker claims the high ball inside the 21 from a pass from outside the 40 its to award that skill, the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

I like the soccer advantage where basically if its played on its advantage over, i hate seeing a player fouled, advantage given he gets away from his man then ball played in forward wins it out in front then goes for a score, defender makes a class block or interception and the ball is called back. To me, if the forward wins the ball that is an advantage. Ours is too long

[GTP]

the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

For a player, mentor or spectator they are likely to judge the referee as having given too long an advantage, not enough of an advantage or no advantage dependant on how it benefits or hurts their team. Refs having a wide discretion could (unfairly) leave them open to criticism for not applying the rule consistently.
The 5 seconds wasn't perfect as some club refs I have seen seemed to think holding possession was an advantage which meant frees in the scoring zone weren't given at the expense of a series of aimless handpasses. This extended advantage should prevent this.

[statto]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

So where is the advantage then? The purpose is to favour the attacker, we wanted to have the games be more attacking, If the attacker claims the high ball inside the 21 from a pass from outside the 40 its to award that skill, the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

They have five seconds to accrue any type of advantage if there is no advantage gained after the initial foul then free is awarded. An example would be if a foul was committed and a ball was kicked immediately into a 1 v 1 and defender wins the ball then give the original free.  What I was seeing on Sunday was a foul committed on right hand side of pitch, the ball was then transferred via a number of passes to opposite side of pitch, shot taken from play drops short maybe 30 seconds later and ref then giving the original free. 

The example you give here is slightly different as it is referring to the advanced mark, which can see some merit in as you rightly say promotes good use of the boot and catching and an upgrade on previous mark where you could kick it 5 yards and take a mark. 

[Milltown Row2]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

So where is the advantage then? The purpose is to favour the attacker, we wanted to have the games be more attacking, If the attacker claims the high ball inside the 21 from a pass from outside the 40 its to award that skill, the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

They have five seconds to accrue any type of advantage if there is no advantage gained after the initial foul then free is awarded. An example would be if a foul was committed and a ball was kicked immediately into a 1 v 1 and defender wins the ball then give the original free.  What I was seeing on Sunday was a foul committed on right hand side of pitch, the ball was then transferred via a number of passes to opposite side of pitch, shot taken from play drops short maybe 30 seconds later and ref then giving the original free. 

The example you give here is slightly different as it is referring to the advanced mark, which can see some merit in as you rightly say promotes good use of the boot and catching and an upgrade on previous mark where you could kick it 5 yards and take a mark. 

There has been questions (some unanswered) on the advantage rule for 5 seconds given for a regular foul over the advance mark advantage where it's unlimited. My initial reading was a typical (a foul) advantage rule would be 5 seconds regardless, and anywhere on the pitch, and the new advance Mark rule was unlimited

Was this a challenge game/ulster winter club?

[statto]

the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

For a player, mentor or spectator they are likely to judge the referee as having given too long an advantage, not enough of an advantage or no advantage dependant on how it benefits or hurts their team. Refs having a wide discretion could (unfairly) leave them open to criticism for not applying the rule consistently.
The 5 seconds wasn't perfect as some club refs I have seen seemed to think holding possession was an advantage which meant frees in the scoring zone weren't given at the expense of a series of aimless handpasses. This extended advantage should prevent this.

This is my concern about the rule. 

[statto]

On another point the advantage rule is another rule that would wind you up. The advantage should be say 5 seconds if nothing is accrued then give the free. I was at a game at the weekend and the ref on a few occasions let the play go for possibly 20 seconds let the team get a shot off then brought it back for a free in. There will be inconsistencies in this rule within a game as it is down to the ref interpretation never mind week to week. 

The advantage rule is unlimited time, 5 seconds 20 seconds or even a minute within that play, its not specified and it will always be the ref's interpretation as it has been for all the rules in a game before this

Makes it difficult for the referee to have consistency across the peace without having a defined limit of time. If a ref played a minute advantage and the team missed opportunity and then got pulled back for a free I would imagine that would cause uproar. 

The new rules obviously are in favour of the forward, but it is unfair on defenders e.g. ref plays a 30 second advantage, forward goes for a shot defender makes a great block and this is in vein as the attacking team get the original free. 

Having a say 5 second advantage would make things easier on the ref also?

So where is the advantage then? The purpose is to favour the attacker, we wanted to have the games be more attacking, If the attacker claims the high ball inside the 21 from a pass from outside the 40 its to award that skill, the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

They have five seconds to accrue any type of advantage if there is no advantage gained after the initial foul then free is awarded. An example would be if a foul was committed and a ball was kicked immediately into a 1 v 1 and defender wins the ball then give the original free.  What I was seeing on Sunday was a foul committed on right hand side of pitch, the ball was then transferred via a number of passes to opposite side of pitch, shot taken from play drops short maybe 30 seconds later and ref then giving the original free. 

The example you give here is slightly different as it is referring to the advanced mark, which can see some merit in as you rightly say promotes good use of the boot and catching and an upgrade on previous mark where you could kick it 5 yards and take a mark. 

There has been questions (some unanswered) on the advantage rule for 5 seconds given for a regular foul over the advance mark advantage where it's unlimited. My initial reading was a typical (a foul) advantage rule would be 5 seconds regardless, and anywhere on the pitch, and the new advance Mark rule was unlimited

Was this a challenge game/ulster winter club?

Yes was Ulster club game. 

[Milltown Row2]

the unlimited advantage is to provided a score from play, be it a point or a goal, for me this is least controversial

For a player, mentor or spectator they are likely to judge the referee as having given too long an advantage, not enough of an advantage or no advantage dependant on how it benefits or hurts their team. Refs having a wide discretion could (unfairly) leave them open to criticism for not applying the rule consistently.
The 5 seconds wasn't perfect as some club refs I have seen seemed to think holding possession was an advantage which meant frees in the scoring zone weren't given at the expense of a series of aimless handpasses. This extended advantage should prevent this.

This is my concern about the rule.

Just trust the ref, we are looking at ways a ref will make a mistake without even considering the players and management make far more mistakes and even more inconsistent during the game