All Ireland Club Championships 2024

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Ciarrai_thuaidh

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Naas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.
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Armagh18

Quote from: smort on November 12, 2024, 05:49:38 PMClann Éireann the value bet
Maybe worth sticking a few quid on at that price but it's fairly unlikely.

If they were to win Ulster I'd say they're every chance. As it stands any of the 4 teams in Ulster could win the province, but the Kilcoo/Scotstown winners have to be firm favourites given the experience.

marty34

Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.

Armagh18

Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

marty34

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?

Armagh18

Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

marty34

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Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.

statto

Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started.  Newbridge were in similar boat this year, 35 years without a senior championship and by all accounts went hard on the beer.  First time winners rarely make the grade in Ulster as they have reached the holy grail to an extent by winning their own championship. 

Newbridge preparation was certainly hampered by the celebrations there wouldn't been 3/4 days drinking done ahead of the Magherafelt or Glen games anyway. Did they run out of steam in last 10 minutes? The game was a free hit for Newbridge in a way, I would have thought the decision making would have been more likely to be compromised in Derry county final as Glen were such overwhelming favourites? If your club hasn't won in 35 years the nerves of getting over the line/monkey off your back would be greater than a first round Ulster club game when the outcome is irrelevant to a degree as you have had a great season regardless of result.


armaghniac

Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started. 


CE were more like 3/1 to win Armagh than 33/1 and many Armagh posters identified them as a value bet.
But there is something in the view that CE wanted to go beyond a first round defeat in Ulster and they would not have been afraid of Newbridge. 
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

statto

Quote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started. 


CE were more like 3/1 to win Armagh than 33/1 and many Armagh posters identified them as a value bet.
But there is something in the view that CE wanted to go beyond a first round defeat in Ulster and they would not have been afraid of Newbridge. 
In 2021 they were 33/1.  3/1 or 7/2 in 2024. 

armaghniac

Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 12:34:20 PMIn 2021 they were 33/1.  3/1 or 7/2 in 2024. 

My mistake, I'm sorry that I didn't invest then, from their run of excellent minor teams about 10 years ago they were always likely to win at some stage.
MAGA Make Armagh Great Again

Armagh18

Quote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started. 


CE were more like 3/1 to win Armagh than 33/1 and many Armagh posters identified them as a value bet.
But there is something in the view that CE wanted to go beyond a first round defeat in Ulster and they would not have been afraid of Newbridge. 
in 2021? Wouldn't have been 3/1 back then I don't think

tonto1888

Quote from: statto on November 13, 2024, 08:16:27 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 09:17:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 08:59:55 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 12, 2024, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 12, 2024, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on November 09, 2024, 08:57:14 PMNaas never in control there and a general lack of smarts and poor decisions cost them. Too many lumped kickouts and shuffling backwards for example.

I said it before.

In a lot of these tight club championship games, it don't come down to xperience or bttle or anything like that.

It's decision making.

Naas made very poor decisions in the last 10 mins.  So did St. Eunan's and so did Newbridge.

The games were tight certainly but Cuala,EC and Clann Éireann made the better decisions with the ball in the last 10 mins.
Which improves with experience.

Do you think so?
Ah without a doubt. And like I always say, at the highest level at times it comes down to a bit of luck and the rub of the green when teams are evenly matched.

Naas, at Leinster Club level, are/should be more experienced that Cuala.

St. Eunan's, at Ulster Club level, are more experienced that EC.

CÉ and Newbridge a 50/50 game in terms of experience.

Luck has got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Good decisions makers in last 10 mins got them teams over the line.

Cargin are as experienced s anybody in the Ulster club run with KOB, MMC and TMC etc. but on Sunday, that experience counted for nothing.  I don't believe the mantra that you need to 'lose win to win one' either.   

Not all the times in general but 90%, it's the players/team that make good decisions wins the game in tight games.
CE had two games at Ulster senior in 2021 so the majority of that team would have had that experience in Ulster. 

There would not have been the level of celebrations in CE this year as they hadn't won a senior in 60 plus years. CE would have been happy with their lot in 2021 too as they were something like 33/1 shots with bookies to win Armagh before the competition started.  Newbridge were in similar boat this year, 35 years without a senior championship and by all accounts went hard on the beer.  First time winners rarely make the grade in Ulster as they have reached the holy grail to an extent by winning their own championship. 

Newbridge preparation was certainly hampered by the celebrations there wouldn't been 3/4 days drinking done ahead of the Magherafelt or Glen games anyway. Did they run out of steam in last 10 minutes? The game was a free hit for Newbridge in a way, I would have thought the decision making would have been more likely to be compromised in Derry county final as Glen were such overwhelming favourites? If your club hasn't won in 35 years the nerves of getting over the line/monkey off your back would be greater than a first round Ulster club game when the outcome is irrelevant to a degree as you have had a great season regardless of result.



CE done a fair amount of celebrating this year also