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Title: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: bennydorano on September 12, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
Given out last night at the Armagh City Hotel.

1.Ronan Gallagher
2.Shane Goan
3.Francie Bellew
4.Justin McMahon
5.Ryan McMenamin
6.Ryan McCluskey
7.Ciaran McKeever
8.Martin McGrath
9.Enda McGinley
10.Brian Dooher
11.Sean Cavanagh
12.Mark Little
13.Steven McDonnell
14.Ronan Clarke
15.Thomas Freeman

Biased and all as I am I'd say Ronan Clarke probably choked on his prawn sandwiches when Marty McGrath was named Player of the Year.  Surprised Paul McGrane didn't get one.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: The GAA on September 12, 2008, 12:45:00 PM

If they are based on the ulster championship then fermanagh would be wntitled to their representation and there should be no tyrone players. however, if it is based on overall performances then tyrone should be dominating the team.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 12:48:31 PM
Is there really much interest in these awards or is it just another excuse to get a penguin suit on?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 12:52:03 PM
Tommy Freeman didn't deserve one this year
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Onion Bag on September 12, 2008, 12:54:16 PM
Dan Gordon had 3 great games in Ulster, he should have got one before Enda Mc Ginley
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Doire abú on September 12, 2008, 12:55:14 PM
I believe its supposed to be based on the league Ulster Championship, qualifiers and AI Championship up to the final.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: T O Hare on September 12, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
Dan Gordon deseverd one and i thought Ronan Clarke was a cert for player of the year!
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 12, 2008, 12:55:14 PM
I believe its supposed to be based on the league Ulster Championship, qualifiers and AI Championship up to the final.
Well if it was anyway based on the League then Derry should feel well miffed not to recieve even one
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: stpauls on September 12, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
i always thought it was just based on performances in the Ulster Championship!! if that is the case, then there is no way Enda McGinley should be in there before Dan Gordon, though i do rate McGinley very highly. definately thought clarke should have got player of POTY though!
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: T Fearon on September 12, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
How many Tyrone players would have got an award had they not beaten Dublin? In effect Tyrone have been unduly rewarded for winning just two games. I myself had both Benny Coulter and Aidan Carr in my team and gave Clarke the vote for footballer of the year.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Down Gael on September 12, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
Dan Gordon has been the best midfielder in Ulster all year. Dominated in both games against Tyrone and really only had one poor game against Wexford, but didnt get an award.
Mark Little??? WTF, couldnt score in a brothel on his stag night with a bag of fivers.
Francie? Who picked this team? Big Joe?
Freeman? Is it 2007?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
To be honest if it's from the Ulster Championship I'd be handing out one (Dooher) max to Tyrone.
I also thought McKeever had one very good game against Down, but I thought he wasn't special in the other games.
I'd also have given one to Niall McCusker as Full Back ahead of Francie.
Paul McGrane instead of McGinley
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: full back on September 12, 2008, 01:11:13 PM
Does anyone know exactly what the criteria is
Going by the team it seems to be the Ulster & the Qualifiers. The league seems to be ignored.
Although isnt it the readers votes that are counted?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: RMDrive on September 12, 2008, 01:30:23 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on September 12, 2008, 01:06:37 PM
The winning team was the one I picked - do I get a biscuit.

I believe you get your choice of Kimberly, Mikado or Coconut Cream. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 01:44:17 PM
QuoteTo be honest if it's from the Ulster Championship I'd be handing out one (Dooher) max to Tyrone.

Obviously it;s not just the Ulster Championship so more than likely Ulster players through-out the league & championship/qualifiers competions, much in the same way as the BOI All-Stars.    Enda McGinley has been Tyrone's most consistent player thoughout winter & summer and fully deserving of the award. 
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: full back on September 12, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 12, 2008, 01:44:17 PM
QuoteTo be honest if it's from the Ulster Championship I'd be handing out one (Dooher) max to Tyrone.

Obviously it;s not just the Ulster Championship so more than likely Ulster players through-out the league & championship/qualifiers competions, much in the same way as the BOI All-Stars.    Enda McGinley has been Tyrone's most consistent player thoughout winter & summer and fully deserving of the award. 


Looks as if the League has been pretty much ignored with these awards
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: EC Unique on September 12, 2008, 02:01:39 PM
Im sure the Tyrone boys could not give two flying fucks if they make this team or not. At this time of the year it is about as important as an Ulster title ;)  Did Mc keever not get cleaned against Fermanagh?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: T Fearon on September 12, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
Lads,lads,lads, these awards are decided by simply totting up readers votes. It stands to sense then that there's going to be more votes for teams doing well at the actual time of voting, than for Derry who won the league way back in May then flopped in the Championship. Purely and simply its the readers who decide the recipients.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: mylestheslasher on September 12, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
Lads,lads,lads, these awards are decided by simply totting up readers votes. It stands to sense then that there's going to be more votes for teams doing well at the actual time of voting, than for Derry who won the league way back in May then flopped in the Championship. Purely and simply its the readers who decide the recipients.

Well damn all people in Cavan, Monaghan or Donegal will read the Irish news so I expect those counties will poorly compared to how they performed in  the summer.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Maximus Marillius on September 12, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
How Fergal doc was overlooked for this award is shocking and reflects as Tony said on the people who voted. He practically won the National League against kerry on his won. Thios could prove to be the only national title in Ulster this year ;)
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
Doc did not deserve one.
A very good League all round, but an average Championship contribution.
Good against Donegal in the first half, quiet in the 2nd, Conway and Diver did well in the 2nd
Fermanagh Absent (IMO unfairly), Monaghan - average
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: ziggysego on September 12, 2008, 03:35:28 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on September 12, 2008, 01:06:37 PM
The winning team was the one I picked - do I get a biscuit.

No, Tony ate it.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Main Street on September 12, 2008, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 12, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
Lads,lads,lads, these awards are decided by simply totting up readers votes. It stands to sense then that there's going to be more votes for teams doing well at the actual time of voting, than for Derry who won the league way back in May then flopped in the Championship. Purely and simply its the readers who decide the recipients.

Well damn all people in Cavan, Monaghan or Donegal will read the Irish news so I expect those counties will poorly compared to how they performed in  the summer.
You can just damn the Cavan ones :)
Last year Monaghan got 6 or 7 in the team. That is clear enough evidence for me that Irish News readers are capable of knowing their stuff.



Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: ONeill on September 12, 2008, 04:33:51 PM
I'd have given McGinley POTY. McElroy of Fermanagh was the best half back this year and is also missing. No Armagh player should be on that side for annually choking in Croker.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Slapdash on September 12, 2008, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 12, 2008, 04:33:51 PM
I'd have given McGinley POTY. McElroy of Fermanagh was the best half back this year and is also missing. No Armagh player should be on that side for annually choking in Croker.

Tommy McElroy was Fermanaghs best player over the year IMO but for some reason tends to be overlooked by everyone, including his own county.  If it was based on the Ulster Championship then Clarke had to be a shoe in.  If not, then McGinley would certainly challenge him.  As far as I am aware it is based on the qualifiers as well.  Think McGrath's comments showed he was almost embarrassed to get it :-[.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Doire abú on September 12, 2008, 05:30:41 PM
Oops posted this message in wrong thread!!
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Main Street on September 12, 2008, 08:22:08 PM
Why don't they wait until the AI final is over?
Do they know something we don't ?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 12, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
If you include the whole championship then Cavanagh has been more impressive than Clarke. He's scored as much from play in each game as Clarke whilst helping out out the field for large parts of matches as well.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: FermPundit on September 12, 2008, 09:00:02 PM
Obviously from a Fermanagh perspectve I'm pleased that five of the boys got awards but Tommy McElroy was without doubt the most consistent Fermanagh player this year. Marty McGrath had a decent enough year but there is no way he was player of the year. In all honesty these awards mean very little.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: fan01 on September 12, 2008, 11:15:38 PM
really taught that Marty o'rourke deserved an all-star last night for his hard work and determation that he has given to armagh football over the past couple of years.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: J70 on September 13, 2008, 02:21:13 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 12, 2008, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 12, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 12, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
Lads,lads,lads, these awards are decided by simply totting up readers votes. It stands to sense then that there's going to be more votes for teams doing well at the actual time of voting, than for Derry who won the league way back in May then flopped in the Championship. Purely and simply its the readers who decide the recipients.

Well damn all people in Cavan, Monaghan or Donegal will read the Irish news so I expect those counties will poorly compared to how they performed in  the summer.
You can just damn the Cavan ones :)
Last year Monaghan got 6 or 7 in the team. That is clear enough evidence for me that Irish News readers are capable of knowing their stuff.


I would have thought the same as Mylestheslasher, as the only person I've ever seen reading the Irish News in Donegal would be myself the two or three times I've bought it! Perhaps we're underestimating the objectivity of the average Irish News reader!
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: time ticking away on September 13, 2008, 03:01:35 AM
For me, just two problems with the selections.

Seanie Johnson was one of the best six forwards in Ulster this year and

Up to this point Justy Mc Mahon has been the best footballer in Ulster....... and full back is probably his least favoured position
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: gaagaa on September 13, 2008, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 12:52:03 PM
Tommy Freeman didn't deserve one this year

def agree with you there
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: gaagaa on September 13, 2008, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: JMohan on September 12, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
I'd also have given one to Niall McCusker as Full Back ahead of Francie.

agree there too - niall best full back in ireland when they had the brains to play him there
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: the green man on September 13, 2008, 09:42:47 PM
Is it just me or is Tommy Freeman a bit overrated?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: gaagaa on September 13, 2008, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on September 12, 2008, 09:00:02 PM
Tommy McElroy was without doubt the most consistent Fermanagh player this year. . In all honesty these awards mean very little.

its incredible he didnt get an award and maybe it does show how little these awards mean
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Yes I Would on September 14, 2008, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: the green man on September 13, 2008, 09:42:47 PM
Is it just me or is Tommy Freeman a bit overrated?

I think it might be just you!! A cracking player
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Armagh Exile on September 14, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Finnian Moriarty should have got one of the corner back positions.
Nobody got the better of him and he held all  his direct opponents to just one or two points.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on September 15, 2008, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on September 12, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
How Fergal doc was overlooked for this award is shocking and reflects as Tony said on the people who voted. He practically won the National League against kerry on his won. Thios could prove to be the only national title in Ulster this year ;)

'Scuse me...the Tommy Murphy?? ;)
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: orangeman on September 15, 2008, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: Armagh Exile on September 14, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Finnian Moriarty should have got one of the corner back positions.
Nobody got the better of him and he held all  his direct opponents to just one or two points.




And scored a goal in the Ulster final !  ;)
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Gold on September 15, 2008, 01:55:44 PM
Quote from: FermPundit on September 12, 2008, 09:00:02 PM
Obviously from a Fermanagh perspectve I'm pleased that five of the boys got awards but Tommy McElroy was without doubt the most consistent Fermanagh player this year. Marty McGrath had a decent enough year but there is no way he was player of the year. In all honesty these awards mean very little.

Tommy McIlroy had a fantastic year.

He was far and away the man of the match in the 1st Ulster Final game, everything he did was correct and he got a sight of ball.
Defo deserved one more than Goan, Little or even McGrath did in my opinion
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: BerfArmagh on September 15, 2008, 02:01:35 PM
How Clarke did'nt get player of the year is beyond me  ???
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: orangeman on September 15, 2008, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: BerfArmagh on September 15, 2008, 02:01:35 PM
How Clarke did'nt get player of the year is beyond me  ???

Yeah - he had a good year alright - must be more papers sold in Fermanagh !
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: ExiledGael on September 15, 2008, 07:36:52 PM
Thought myself Clarke would be a shoo-in for player of the year but that's the way it goes.
Would not begrudge McGrath anything he gets out of the game after what he's had to put up with. Unreal player and the most down to earth man you could meet to boot. Deserves whatever comes his way.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: ExiledGael on September 18, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
Surprised this all came out this week (but that's the Star for you) but as it's in the public domain thought I'd post it here.
Surprised no-one has posted it here before.

From Hoganstand
McGrath in cancer scare

Fermanagh captain Marty McGrath bravely played in this year's championship, despite being diagnosed with testicular cancer in June.
The 2004 All-Star midfielder, who twice underwent heart surgery in 2006 and missed most of last season after being struck on the head by a digger in accident at his home, found out he had cancer on June 21, but bravely played out the remainder of the championship. He played in the drawn and replayed Ulster final against Armagh, and also lined out in the Erne County's All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Kildare at Croke Park.
The midfielder underwent a successful operation in Derry's Altnagelvin Hospital in mid-August, but will have to go for check-ups every three months to make sure the cancer does not return.
The St. Joseph's, Ederney clubman, who turned 27 last Thursday, kept the news of his cancer a closely-guarded secret as Fermanagh progressed to their first Ulster final in 26 years.
Remarkably, McGrath's form never dipped during his ordeal and he is hoping to make the Ireland squad for next month's International Rules series in Australia, having played in a trial match at Croke Park last Friday.
Cork hurler Joe Deane and Mayo footballer Ronan McGarrity are among the high-profile players who have made a full recovery from testicular cancer and returned to play at top level in recent years.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 18, 2008, 05:40:31 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on September 18, 2008, 05:17:25 PM
Surprised this all came out this week (but that's the Star for you) but as it's in the public domain thought I'd post it here.
Surprised no-one has posted it here before.

From Hoganstand
McGrath in cancer scare

Fermanagh captain Marty McGrath bravely played in this year’s championship, despite being diagnosed with testicular cancer in June.
The 2004 All-Star midfielder, who twice underwent heart surgery in 2006 and missed most of last season after being struck on the head by a digger in accident at his home, found out he had cancer on June 21, but bravely played out the remainder of the championship. He played in the drawn and replayed Ulster final against Armagh, and also lined out in the Erne County’s All-Ireland qualifier defeat to Kildare at Croke Park.
The midfielder underwent a successful operation in Derry’s Altnagelvin Hospital in mid-August, but will have to go for check-ups every three months to make sure the cancer does not return.
The St. Joseph’s, Ederney clubman, who turned 27 last Thursday, kept the news of his cancer a closely-guarded secret as Fermanagh progressed to their first Ulster final in 26 years.
Remarkably, McGrath’s form never dipped during his ordeal and he is hoping to make the Ireland squad for next month’s International Rules series in Australia, having played in a trial match at Croke Park last Friday.
Cork hurler Joe Deane and Mayo footballer Ronan McGarrity are among the high-profile players who have made a full recovery from testicular cancer and returned to play at top level in recent years.

For him to perform at such a level says so much about the man, fair play Marty McGrath.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 11, 2009, 12:06:16 PM
Anyone got a list of last nights team?  How many Antrim men got awards?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 11, 2009, 12:17:52 PM
Haven't seen the team yet but heard on radio that there were 5 Antrim, 6 Tyrone and Kevin Hughes was POY
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:37:28 PM
Barry Gillis
Colin Brady Justy Mc Mahon Karl Lacey
Gerard O'Kane Conor Gormley James Loughrey
Michael Mc Cann Kevin Hughes ( POY )
Tomas Mc Cann Owen Mulligan Joe Mc Mahon
Paddy Cunningham Michael MurphY Stephen O'Neill
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Overthebar! on September 11, 2009, 12:41:29 PM
looks spot on. do you think any of these will get an actual all star?
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on September 11, 2009, 12:41:29 PM
looks spot on. do you think any of these will get an actual all star?


Karl Lacey might have the best shout.

Murphy was good but won't get one.

Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Doire abú on September 11, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
No Eoin Bradley  ???
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2009, 02:48:12 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 11, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
No Eoin Bradley  ???

Must be poor sales of the IN up there in Glenullin.
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: móidín doire on September 11, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2009, 02:48:12 PM
Quote from: Doire abú on September 11, 2009, 02:23:27 PM
No Eoin Bradley  ???

Must be poor sales of the IN up there in Glenullin.

That must be why Gerard O'Kane got one then!!  ::)
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: redhandloo on September 12, 2009, 12:01:17 AM
Justin McMahon would have been my vote for player of the year
Title: Re: Irish News Ulster All-Stars
Post by: Rav67 on September 13, 2009, 07:21:07 PM
Eoin Bradley should have been a shoo-in for that team.  Joe McMahon is lucky to be there, he was very poor against Cork.  Don't think Conor Gormley deserved one either, this year he looked like he's maybe getting over the hill.