Anyone have the draw for this? Not to be found in cyberspace, never mind on gaa.ie... ::)
Got this off hoganstand...
Leinster U21FC fixtures
13 February 2008
The fixtures for the first round of the Leinster U21 FC set for the 23rd and 24th February.
Saturday 23rd February 2008
Leinster Under 21 F.C.
Navan (2.30p.m.), Meath v Kildare, S. Carroll (Iarmhi)
Sunday 24th February 2008
Leinster Under 21 F.C.
Portlaoise (2.30p.m.), Laois v Louth, E. Craul (Cill Mhantain)
Kilkenny (2.30p.m.), Kilkenny v Westmeath, F. Barry (Cill Dara)
Carlow (2.30p.m.), Carlow v Longford, G. McCormack (Ath Cliath)
Extra time must be played in all games if sides finish level.
Expect a tough game in KK anyway... :P
In Connacht I think Mayo play Leitrim and the winners of Sligo and Galway play Ros. Ros have won the Hastings Cup so should be in with a good shout. Mayo have 3 or 4 of their All Ireland winning team and should be decent. Galway will always be strong. An interesting campaign ahead. I guess with the way the competition is structured now much depends on the priorities that counties give to the competition and whether they put the senior team ahead
LEINSTER
Third Year of Three Year Cycle
Leinster U21 F.C. 2008. U-21 Football Date Venue
1. Laois v Louth 24.2.2008 Portlaoise
2. 1. v Wicklow 9/15.3.2008 Portlaoise/Dundalk
3. Kilkenny v Westmeath 24.2.2008 Kilkenny
4. 3. v Wexford 9/15.3.2008 Kilkenny/Mullingar
5. Meath v Kildare 23.2.2008 Navan
6. 5. v Dublin 9/15.3.2008 Navan/Newbridge
7. Carlow v Longford 24.2.2008 Carlow
8. 7. v Offaly 9/15.3.2007 Carlow/Longford
9. 2. v 4. 23.3.2008 Home Venue 2
10. 6. v 8. 23.3.2008 Home Venue 3
FINAL: 9 v 10 6.4.2008
Home Venue 9
MUNSTER
Munster Under 21 Football Championship
Grade Date Teams & Scores Venue
Quarter-Final 15/3/2008 Kerry Limerick Tralee
Quarter-Final 15/3/2008 Tipperary Clare Tipperary venue
Semi-final 22/3/2008 Cork Kerry or Limerick Kerry or Limerick venue
Semi-final 22/3/2008 Waterford Tipperary or Clare Tipperary or Clare venue
Final 5/4/2008
All-Ireland Semi-Final Date TBC Munster Champions
All-Ireland Final Date TBC
CONNACHT
Connacht U-21 Football Championship
Pre Lim; 22nd March Extra Time in all games.
A: Sligo v Galway Markievicz Park
Semi-Finals 29th March
Mayo v Leitrim Castlebar
A v Roscommon Markievicz Park/Galway
Final 5/67th April
Is there anyone going to any of the U21 games that would be willing to text updates to the Live Scores service on GAA Radio? The number to send your texts to is 447624804328. The service is free for everyone to view at http://www.gaaradio.com/scores/liveScores.jsp . Thanks.
Thanks Coilin
Under 21 Football Championship – Open Draw
All games at 3.30 p.m. unless stated otherwise
(Extra time must be played if required in all games)
15th March First Round:
(a) 1. Monaghan v 2. Donegal at Monaghan
Quarter Finals:
22nd March:
(b) 4. Down v 5. Antrim at Down
(c) 6. Tyrone v 7. Cavan at Tyrone
(d) 8. Derry v 9. Fermanagh at Derry
(e) 3. Armagh v (a) Monaghan/Donegal
If Armagh v Monaghan at Armagh
If Armagh v Donegal at Donegal
29th March: Semi Finals: (b) v (c); (d) v (e):
5th April Final: (Replay 16th April)
Quote from: western exile on February 25, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
Under 21 Football Championship – Open Draw
All games at 3.30 p.m. unless stated otherwise
(Extra time must be played if required in all games)
15th March First Round:
(a) 1. Monaghan v 2. Donegal at Monaghan
Monaghan play Dublin in Parnell Park that evening. Banty manages both teams and some players play for both, how does that work?? ::)
Good question! Perhaps they will move the u21 game to the Sunday. The U21 are set for Saturdays as default as most Senior NFL games are on Sunday.
The semi finals are to be played on the Saturday of a weekend of NFL games, so they will have to be accommodated for too.
QuoteCork (10) 1970 1971 1980 1981 1984 1985 1986 1989 1994 2007
Kerry (9) 1964 1973 1975 1976 1977 1990 1995 1996 1998
Tyrone (4) 1991 1992 2000 2001
Mayo (4) 1967 1974 1983 2006
Galway (3) 1972 2002 2005
Donegal (2) 1982 1987
Derry (2) 1968 1997
Roscommon (1) 1978
Antrim (1) 1969
Armagh (1) 2004
Down (1) 1979
Dublin (1) 2003
Kildare (1) 1965
Meath (1) 1993
Offaly (1) 1988
Westmeath (1) 1999
I believe Roscommon also won in 1966
Leinster U-21 got underway at weekend.
Results were:
Laois (2-13) v Louth (0-9)
Kilkenny (1-6) v Westmeath (1-15)
Meath (0-5) v Kildare (1-14)
Carlow (1-7) v Longford (0-9)
qf's in Leinster will be:
Kildare v Dublin
Carlow v Offaly
Laois v Wicklow
Westmeath v Wexford
Was at the Carlow/Longford game.
Pretty poor standard overall. Longford kicked a lot of wides in 1st half, Carlow went 1st 23 mins without scoring. Missed a peno near end of 1st half, but got a crucial goal from Molloy same guy who sent that peno over the bar. At HT Carlow 1-2 - Long 0-3.
2nd half Carlow played much better, within 10 mins had hit the upright twice & forced a good save off the Longford keeper. Could have been costly misses. Game went point for point all the way. Even last kick of game was a Longford free from 40m out hit the upright, bounced on the crossbar & landed in a Carlow df's arms!! Ref blew it up then. It was that kinda game, nothing in it.
As a Carlow man, its our 1st U-21 champ win since mid 90s (apart from Kilkenny game in 03 which hardly counts) so have to be happy.
Still - good to see Kilkenny competing.
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 25, 2008, 09:58:54 PM
Still - good to see Kilkenny competing.
Not just competing, but putting up a decent show. But that's probably what you meant ...
It's very encouraging, and I hope that bunch of KK footballers stick at it. A defeat by single figures is better than Louth or mighty Meath did at the weekend.
I wonder did WH put out their first 15?
According to Hoganstand the team was
Philli Shaw
Willie Murtagh
Ciaran Gavin
Simon Moorhead
Andrew Whitney
Fintan O'Reilly
Tommy Warburton
Aidan Browne
Niall Kilcoyne
John Dolan
Keith Scally
Brian Melody
John Connellan
James Durkan
Brendan Kelly
Kieran Gavin is the only regular so far this year at senior level with a couple of others having run outs here and there. We led by 1-9 to 0-0 at half-time so can only assume we took our foot off the pedal big time in the second half. Plus KK had the wind in the second half.
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on February 25, 2008, 03:23:51 PM
Monaghan play Dublin in Parnell Park that evening. Banty manages both teams and some players play for both, how does that work?? ::)
I see that the Monaghan v. Donegal U21 game has indeed been moved to the Sunday. see this link http://www.cadburygaau21.com/fixtures-and-results/16/03/2008/ (http://www.cadburygaau21.com/fixtures-and-results/16/03/2008/)
in fact, there seems to be a few fixture changes according to the calendar on the Cadburys website http://www.cadburygaau21.com/fixtures-and-results/ (http://www.cadburygaau21.com/fixtures-and-results/)
Surprised very little has been said about the shock of the year so far!!!!
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DON'T ever get rid of the U-21 grade. That's the strong message from Wicklow U-21 boss Philip McGillicuddy after his side pulled off a massive shock by ousting Laois in the Leinster U-21 FC quarter-finals at the weekend.
The Laois U-21s contested last year's All-Ireland final and narrowly missed out on reaching the AIl-Ireland minor final, losing to Derry in a replayed semi-final. Not only did Wicklow restrict the Leinster champions to a mere three points (1-11 to 0-3), they did it despite being reduced to 14 men after just nine minutes.
And all this from a county which actually hasn't run an U-21 championship locally for nearly a decade.
"I'm not sure why. It seems there hasn't been the appetite in clubs for it. I believe the U-21 grade is a vital one for bringing players on from minor level," McGillicuddy said. "There's another huge gap to senior level too, which is why I hope the GAA always retains U-21s," he added.
"Laois used a lot of their good minors from 2007 against us and, unfortunately for Sean Dempsey, they clearly underperformed. Maybe that shows just how physically hard it is for 19-year-olds to come against 21-year-olds.
"Laois also lost three of their U-21 stars, Colm Begley, MJ Tierney and Donie Brennan, this year and Donie Kingston was out injured -- all big players. There's not great consistency at this age-group," McGillicuddy admitted. "Kildare U-21s handed Meath an awful drubbing recently, which shows exactly what can happen."
But Wicklow's U-21s lost to Laois by just three points last year and have been competitive at provincial level through the Noughties. Seven of this year's team -- most notably Seanie Furlong and John McGrath -- are on the county senior panel where McGillicuddy acts as a selector alongside Mick O'Dwyer. That has added continuity.
"But we have to keep this in perspective," McGillicuddy stressed of their big scalp.
"It's just one game, we have to play Wexford next and having coached a club down there (Killanerin) I know how strong they'll be. The reality is that this is just one small step.
"Unlike the seniors and minors, we only get one shot at it. There's no back-door for U-21s sadly, so if we don't win the next day we'll be sitting on our hands for the rest of the year and we have to remember that."
In the same competition, Leinster have rejected Kildare's request to have their quarter-final against Dublin played under lights this week. Kildare proposed Athy as a potential night venue (refused on health and safety grounds) and Portlaoise and Navan were also ruled out.
The game will now go ahead as rescheduled on Saturday, March 22, much to Kildare's disgust.
It had been fixed for March 9 but Dublin succeeded in getting a postponement because of player involvement with DIT in the Sigerson Cup. The delay means Dublin will possibly have access to some St Vincent's players after their Patrick's Day club exertions.
Kildare chairman Syl Merrins has accused Leinster of kow-towing to third level competitions ahead of county needs and paying lip-service on the 'burnout' issue by placing this game in the middle of the NFL schedule.
"Leinster Council gives the colleges priority over everything else and have done so for some time" Merrins stated. "It's madness in our view."
Super win for Wicklow!
How on earth did they hold them to 3 points?
Donegal have beaten Monaghan. A bit of a surprise as Monaghan were favourites.
looks like they did it without the St Eunan's lad & Senior panelist (Murphy??)as well which could be ominous for Armagh who go up there on Saturday. (ballybofey at 3.30pm)
I don't think they should scrap the u21s, is a good competition and gives some lads who aren't at uni a good stepping stone from minor to senior, since they don't have the benefit of uni football.
Would love to get a bet on this competition, Ulster and the AI.
Anyone know anywhere pricing it?
Munster Semi Finals are on next Saturday - Kerry v. Cork (All Ireland Champions - 2007) in Tralee and Tipperary v. Waterford in Ardfinnan. Kerry beat Limerick and Tipp beat Clare last Saturday in the Quarter Finals.
Is the Tyrone -v- Cavan game tonight been broadcasted on the radio? My friend is Germany wants to listen to it.
Down 1-08 0-01 Antrim Half Time in Pairc Esler
Any word on the Tyrone -v- Cavan game? Can't find anything, anywhere.
This weekend Leinster U-21 sees the 1st semi between Wicklow & Wexford.
Also a qf game in Newbridge with Kildare v Dublin. Winners of this game will meet Carlow in semi at Newbridge or Parnell Park.
tyrone v cavan level at half time 1-06 a piece. not so regular up dates on q101
What sort of game is is wdusln? Is Danny McDermott playing?
tyrone leading by a point now. paddy hunter said at half time it was a good game. not sure never heard the team news but according to tyronegaa.ie he was on the subs
Q101's internet radio won't connect for me. Been trying all sorts of things.
1-7 a piece
had the same problem with the online radio. not so bad i thought it was just me.
tyrone won 2-10 to 1-10
Any word on Danny McDermott tc_manchester?
Down 1-17 Antrim 0-8 Result
we just cannot beat Tyrone at underage level :-\
And that's different to which level?? ;D
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on March 19, 2008, 09:45:11 PM
we just cannot beat Tyrone at underage level :-\
As with several of the underage games of the recent past the old adage "at least dick turpin wore a mask" is particularly apt tonight
Quote from: stevecw on March 19, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
This weekend Leinster U-21 sees the 1st semi between Wicklow & Wexford.
Also a qf game in Newbridge with Kildare v Dublin. Winners of this game will meet Carlow in semi at Newbridge or Parnell Park.
Dublin team named for Saturday's game:
Philip Brogan
Alan Hubbard, Tomas Brady, Johnny Cooper
Philip McMahon, Kevin Nolan, Chris Guckian
Cian O'Sullivan, John McCaffrey
Shane Ryan, Diarmuid Connolly, Chris Carthy
Barry O'Rorke, Paddy Andrews, Ted Furman
Looks reasonably strong on paper. Though given the hammering the lillies dished out to the royals, the Dubs will be up against it...
Mayo are up against Leitrim in Castlebar in the Connacht semi-final on Saturday.
Who plays who now in the Ulster Championship?
Down v Tyrone
The cadbury website seems to indicate that the Down V Tyrone game is on Wednesday night. It looks like it could be a home game for Down although I'd imagine it might be moved to a neutral venue as its a semi final.
Sligo v Galway @ 2.30pm on Sat in Tubbercurry. Galway team due to be announced tonight.
Sligo have been hit with a few injuries in the last couple of weeks to make the task even harder than it was already going to be. Hopefully some of them can clear up in time as counties like us can't afford to be missing some of our better players against the likes of Galway. Prob won't make it there due to club committments but best of luck to the lads.
Quote from: amallon on March 20, 2008, 09:05:34 AM
The cadbury website seems to indicate that the Down V Tyrone game is on Wednesday night. It looks like it could be a home game for Down although I'd imagine it might be moved to a neutral venue as its a semi final.
was this played ?
Tyrone won by 3.
See the local GAA thread, and the Tyrone one for details.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7305981.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7305981.stm)
Quote from: Barney on March 20, 2008, 08:21:11 AM
Mayo are up against Leitrim in Castlebar in the Connacht semi-final on Saturday.
Are you sure about that Barney? The Under 21 website says that that game in on Saturday
29th. http://www.cadburygaau21.com/fixtures-and-results/29/03/2008/
mayo 0.03 leitrim 1.03 20 min gone. emylyn mulligan with 1.02
mayo 0.05 leitrim 1.04 h.t mayo will have the wind for the second half.sligo leading galway 10 points to 5 at half time
mayo 1.08 leitrim 1.05 13 min 2ind half
Any updates on the Galway and Kerry matches?
mayo 1.13 leitrim 1.05 5 min to go
Just heard Kerry are 3 up with 6 minutes left, Kerry 0-13 to Cork 0-10.
mayo 1.16 leitrim 1.05 f.t sligo 0.15 galway 0.12 ft
Kerry 0-15 Cork 0-10 F.T.
So, that all puts Mayo into the Connacht U-21 Final, where they will meet the winner of next Saturday's semi final, Sligo v Roscommon.....Big shock to see Galway out.
KILDARE 1-8, DUBLIN 1-7 Full Time.
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 22, 2008, 04:20:07 PM
So, that all puts Mayo into the Connacht U-21 Final, where they will meet the winner of next Saturday's semi final, Sligo v Roscommon.....Big shock to see Galway out.
Indeed! Since that Galway team were the Connaught Minor Champions 3 years ago!
roscommon v sligo game is in hyde park next sat mar 29th.,duke says on mid west radio. gaa fixture list says it is a home game for sligo but ros did play sligo in sligo last year.
Donegal 1.11, Armagh 0.10, Tipperary 2.7, Waterford 1.6.
Quote from: western exile on March 22, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 22, 2008, 04:20:07 PM
So, that all puts Mayo into the Connacht U-21 Final, where they will meet the winner of next Saturday's semi final, Sligo v Roscommon.....Big shock to see Galway out.
Indeed! Since that Galway team were the Connaught Minor Champions 3 years ago!
Won 5 out of the last 6 connacht minor titles. Was a good team on paper. Didn't see the game but I imagine they will be bitterly dissapointed with their performance. I know someone who was there and texted me that they just never got going at all on the day. It happens I guess and unlike the senior grade there are no second chances at that level.
Leinster Under 21 Football Championship
Kildare 1-8
Dublin 1-7
By Cóilín Duffy
A 28th minute goal from midfielder Mark Waters was the decisive score as Kildare booked a place against Carlow in the penultimate stages following their one point win over 14-man Dublin in the Cadbury's Leinster Under 21 football championship at Newbridge.
Dublin made a very positive start to this game as Jim Gavin's charges quickly burst out of the blocks. The visitors looked convincing in the opening quarter and after 23 minutes had built up a 0-5 to 0-2 lead with Shane Ryan sending over his first point of the hour.
The hosts were reliant on the input of full-forward Alan Smith at this stage with the Sarsfields player converting two frees, but the Lillywhites were to hit Dublin hard in the closing five minutes of the opening half.
With Glenn Ryan's charges now in flying form, it was only a matter of time before a goal was produced and in the 28th minute Smullen linked well with Mark Waters, who finished to the net to give the hosts a 1-4 to 0-5 interval lead.
Dublin came out strongly after the break eager to make a positive start to the second half but it wasn't their day and when Diarmuid Connolly kicked his sides fifth wide after three minutes, it started a bad period for the half-forward and Gavin's charges.
Less than two minutes later the talented Vincent's forward was on the sideline, having received a second yellow card from referee Paul Knell following an off the ball incident.
However the hosts came under some strong Dublin pressure over the final quarter, but the visitors were extremely inaccurate in front of the posts and although Kevin Nolan took an injury time goal, Kildare held out for the win.
Kildare scorers: M Waters 1-0; A Smith (3f) 0-4; E Ó Flaitheartaigh (1f), G Smullen, G Whyte (45), M O'Sullivan 0-1 each.
Dublin scorers: K Nolan 1-1; B O'Rorke 0-2, P Andrews 0-2 each; S Ryan, T Furman 0-1 each.
DUBLIN: P Brogan; A Hubbard, T Brady, J Cooper; P McMahon, K Nolan, C Guckian; J McCaffrey, C Sullivan; S Ryan, D Connolly, C Carthy; B O'Rorke, P Andrews, T Furman. Subs: D Kelly for Carthy (22); D Daly for Guckian (HT); M Loftus for McCaffrey (39); E Kirby for Furman (51)
KILDARE: N McConnell; C Brophy, D Brennan, S Murphy; J Browne, G Whyte, T Byrne; M Waters, N Higgins; D Whyte, E Ó Flaitheartaigh, K Kelly; S Fahy, A Smith, G Smullen. Subs: J Fogarty for Higgins (46); M O'Sullivan for Smullen (55); E O'Sullivan for Kelly (56); N Hurley Lynch for Smith (59); N Clinch for G Whyte (61)
REFEREE: Paul Knell (Louth)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 22, 2008, 05:42:03 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 22, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on March 22, 2008, 04:20:07 PM
So, that all puts Mayo into the Connacht U-21 Final, where they will meet the winner of next Saturday's semi final, Sligo v Roscommon.....Big shock to see Galway out.
Indeed! Since that Galway team were the Connaught Minor Champions 3 years ago!
Won 5 out of the last 6 connacht minor titles. Was a good team on paper. Didn't see the game but I imagine they will be bitterly dissapointed with their performance. I know someone who was there and texted me that they just never got going at all on the day. It happens I guess and unlike the senior grade there are no second chances at that level.
Great result today and have to say that Sligo were full value for the win. Started off brilliantly, totally dominant in midfield and kelly, o'grady & Gaughan doing the damage in the forwards. Indeed gaughan terrorised the galway defence for the first 20mins. Galway made some changes then which kept gaughan quiet thereafter. However with mchugh also impressive and coen & o'grady flawless from the frees, Sligo had alot of options in attack. Trailing 9-3 at one stage in the 1st half, the tribesmen clawed their way back into it with their corner forward (no. 15???) slotting some nice scores from play. Dont think either set of fans were happy with corcoran's performance as ref but im sure the galway lads were happy with him playing 7 additional minutes in first half as they closed the gap to 9-5 at the break.
Galway started the 2nd half brightly and with the aid of a breeze set about eating into the sligo lead. Conroy was moved to midfield & certainly made a difference in that area but overall Sligo were well on top in the middle. They got the difference down to the minimum but at 12-11 down, Galway looked like they might get something from the game but some bad shooting and taking wrong options at crucial times killed their hopes. sligo rallied late on and finished worthy 15-12 winners.
Looking forward to the semi.
Derry 1-20 Fermanagh 2-9
Down v Tyrone 8pm CasementPark Wed March 26th, with Healy Park Omagh the venue for the second semi final Derry v Donegal , also on Wed at 8pm.
Interesting result in Tubber right enough. Obviously no fluke when a team scores 15 times.
Sligo with a game under their belts have to be clear favourites to bate us next week ;)
Interesting times in Leinster too - Carlow/Wexford/Wicklow in the semis along with Kildare.
Is it a one off or are the winds of change blowing across our wealthiest province?
Sligo 0-15 Galway 0-12
Sligo Team: 1. J Farrell 2. N Ewing 3. B Murphy 4. N Gaughan 5. D McDonagh 6. M McGowan 7. P Rafferty 8. S Henry 9. S Gilmartin 10. E McHugh 11. P Wilson 12. G Gaughan 13. D Kelly 14. D OGrady 15. S Coen
What a difference a week makes in Sport. Absolutely delighted with a great Sligo performance. This was 15 man performance, Players who stood out were G Gaughan at no 12 roasted his galway marker. He has great pace but needs a more consitent end product. But a great prospect. Should be drafted into the senior setup.
Stephen coen brilliant from frees and linked up well from play and great point taker. D Kelly very sharp and did well got good scores.
O Grady played a little deeper and looks a good footballer. Influetianal player from frees aswell. Eoin mchugh did ok and got great score 1st half. Wilson fought hard but lacks pace.
Our midfield roasted Galway. Gilmartin is a big man great fielder (inspirational) and henry is a hard worker and great passer. Both outstanding and compliment each other very well.
Backs did well, Mcdonagh got great score first half, great over lapping and support play from all Half backs.
Full back line was put under pressure but did well.
Farrell made good save near the end and has a great kick out.
All in All great day for Sligo Football. But dont get TOO carried away this was worst Galway Underage side ive seen for a long time. Sligo were far superior...We played consitently and with great purpose. Very dangerous forward line. The supply was very good into them. WELL DONE LADS...we all needed a boost.
Roscommon up next, I think its in Roscommon next saturday. We have good side and will be hard beat.
Great result for Sligo but that result cost me a handy few bob. I had Kerry, Derry and Galway in a treble, I thought Galway were a shoo in so when the other two came up I was sure I had the bookies, ahhh well there's always tomorrow. Congratulations to Sligo anyway, it's shaping up to be a very interesting U21 championship with the likes of Sligo, Wexford, Wicklow and Tipperary all still in it.
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on March 22, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
Down v Tyrone 8pm CasementPark Wed March 26th, with Healy Park Omagh the venue for the second semi final Derry v Donegal , also on Wed at 8pm.
Sh!t times for any game >:(
Especially anyone interested in seeing both games. Surely a double header at the weekend would've made more sense.
Any1 see the derry fermanagh game?
Quote from: Captain Black on March 22, 2008, 10:20:53 PM
Any1 see the derry fermanagh game?
cahair o'kane did - see the club thread
Good reading Bogball. Sounds like the Tones' faithful aren't so far off. Still a sh!t time for the semis
Wexford won today in the leinster semi final beating wicklow by 2 points, They now await the winners of Kildare and Carlow. Final fixed for wexford park afaik.
Good to see there is some talent coming through the underage scene in Wexford it would be good to see them make the step up in Leinster.
So to sum up this is where we are now at:
Sligo/Roscommon v Mayo -V- Kerry v Tipperary
Down/Tyrone v Derry/Donegal -V- Wexford v Kildare/Carlow
Going on team selections you would have to say its looking like Kerry versus one of the Ulster teams. Although the winter weather is a great leveller and shocks can be expected.
Anybody know where a Sligo/Mayo Connacht Final would be played? I think its due for a Sligo venue.
Quote from: Barney on March 24, 2008, 10:15:29 AM
Anybody know where a Sligo/Mayo Connacht Final would be played? I think its due for a Sligo venue.
::) ::) ::) ::)
I think the Sligo lads might prefer if you waited a week before coming up with that one.
Sligo have to go to Kiltoom next Saturday and hopefully a week later Mayo will also be visiting Kiltoom. ;D
We wont be taking Ros lightly. Ros will be favourites to win and we know that. We had few players missing the last day aswell but I wouldnt change it just means we have options. We werent all that confident against Galway either but our lads suprised us.
I remember seeing a great sligo u21 side hammer Mayo 3-14 to 1-5 semi in 99 only to go to hyde and get humbled.
Its in Kiltoom a similiar venue to tubber so thats a plus for us. I know we can win so hopefully lads will deliver but ros are better than galway so we need to up it again.
Rossfan don't be so paranoid that you think you're being slighted.
I know a Rossie/Mayo final will be in the Hyde/Kiltoom, just wondering what if its the other outcome?
Great result for Sligo but all to do again next weekend. The result was badly wanted after the weekend before. I was under the impression that the game was in Tubber again next Saturday but maybe I'm wrong. Best of luck to Sligo in it anyway.
Quote from: Barney on March 24, 2008, 02:23:58 PM
Rossfan don't be so paranoid that you think you're being slighted.
I know a Rossie/Mayo final will be in the Hyde/Kiltoom, just wondering what if its the other outcome?
Take it easy Barney - just trying to keep you on your toes.
Seánie - it seems the Connacht Council listed the fixture as Galway/Sligo v Ros in Galway/Sligo.
Our U21s plyed(and bet) ye in Markievicz last year so we'd be due a home fixture this time.
I'm not sure what Mixer's final selection will be but I suppose the only question is how many of the team won't be 2006 minors?
Could backfire if Sligo are a big strong team. :-\
I see the game is listed to be played in Kiltoom on the Sligo GAA website.
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 24, 2008, 08:17:26 PM
I see the game is listed to be played in Kiltoom on the Sligo GAA website.
Aye it's in Kiltoom at 2.30. I'd get there an hour or so before the start time unless you fancy a 1 or 2 mile walk Seanie. It's a well run facility by the St Brigids club with lots of stewards directing traffic and they also open up a field across from the pitch for parking. However it is limited by its location and you can expect delays going home (unless ye have it won with 10 min left ;)) as everyone is trying to get out and the majority will be heading back in the Roscommon town direction. Might be worth your while looking at going home via Athlone to avoid this or else be very patient!
Ryano - thanks for the advice and I'm sure the other Sligo posters/readers will appreciate it. Unfortunately I've other committments this weekend so won't be able to make the game. A bad weekend to be away as its a big one for Sligo but thats just the way it is.
Saturday 29th March 2008
Newbridge (4.30p.m.) Kildare v Carlow
Leinster Under 21 F.C. Semi Final Ref:
Kerry produced a five-star display to conquer defending champions Cork by 0-15 to 0-10 in a cracking Cadbury's Munster U21 FC clash at Austin Stack Park.
The Kingdom did most of their best work in the second half, having managed to sneak into a slender 0-8 to 0-6 interval lead despite having a strong wind at their backs.
Tommy Walsh fired over two points for the would-be winners and Paddy Curran added three more in the first half but Kieran O'Leary and Paul O'Connor each chipped in with neat efforts to keep the Rebel County very much in touch by half-time.
Kerry upped the ante in the second half though with man of the match Alan O'Sullivan and David Moran to the fore at midfield.
A master switch saw Killian Young go to full back and while Cork tried all they knew to get on terms in the final quarter, the Kingdom held firm.
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Good to finally see a bit of potential from our U21 after the disasters of the last few years, the senior county men stood up and were counted when needed, lets hope they keep the heads now and finish the job and take a Munster title. Well done Sean Geaney and the Kerry lads. Always good to beat the rebels espeically when they are defending Champions
Tyrone 0-3 down 0-0. Tyrone doing all the playing. Missed penalty. 10 mins gone.
Tyrone 0-4 down 0-3. Downs first score after 15mins.
Hardstation updating on latest score thread.
Any reports on the game from Casement ?
I've been talking to a few Tyrone fans who were at the game tonight - just as the Dwon poster said earlier, the Tyrone ones can't just get their heads round how they lost the game - Down can't work out how they won the game ! Apparently Down brought on 3 subs with 10 minutes to go - fresh legs who just ran through Tyrone who had no answer -
Any one confirm this analysis ?
Just back from Casement and Tyrone should have been out of sight in the 1st 15-20 mins and their 1st half dominance was not reflected in the 1 point lead at half time. Tyrone missed a penalty at 4-0 which gave Down some heart and they slowly clawed their way back into the game.
Down probably shaded the 2nd half and crucially won all the scrappy balls at midfield. Down were 2 points up with 8 mins to go and somehow Tyrone turned this around within 4 mins to lead by a point. Down however composed themselves to then score 2 more and saw out injury time to win.
Did Donegal go on the razzle after beating Armagh, or are Derry brilliant? I hardly imagine that Derry would have beaten Armagh by 4-13 to 0-7!
Wow are Derry that good or were Donegal that bad, 4-14 to 0-07 is wrong for a semi. So Ulster Final is Derry v Down. Leinster is Wexford vs Carlow/Kildare.
Winners of Ulster/Leinster meet in semi. Could be good...not the usual suspects in semi esp from Leinster!!! Imagine meeting Carlow in an AI semi! haha might happen!!!
Steve, how many of the Carlow lads would have played for the Hogan winning Knockbeg team in 05?
not a lot -that team was dominated by laois players like donie brennan and michael tierney.
When Tyrone got the penalty I was on the phone to some Down supporters who were still on route and I told them to turn the car round if the goal went in. Luckily for us it didn't! I knew Down would cause problems for Tyrone or any defence if they could get decent ball into our full forward line and we started to do this after the penalty miss. McComiskey was unreal last night. Anyone know what he scored? I would guess at 6 or 7 points. You have to say hard luck to Tyrone that was a very good U21 team the had. Fair play to the Down management for making the changes when the needed to be made. Caldwells introduction really helped Down. It was an excellent exciting game of football by two good footballing teams.
Like most ppl on this, don't know how down managed to win this! Midfield was poor last night for down in first half and tyrone dominated. In second half down were maybe a bit sharper but tyrone still played better football. Down in the last 15 were good, fighting hard. Kevin McKernan got a few scores but Paul McComiskey was the star of the show.
Quote from: buglebhoy on March 27, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Like most ppl on this, don't know how down managed to win this! Midfield was poor last night for down in first half and tyrone dominated. In second half down were maybe a bit sharper but tyrone still played better football. Down in the last 15 were good, fighting hard. Kevin McKernan got a few scores but Paul McComiskey was the star of the show.
Simple bugle, forwards win matches, I thought at half time Tyrone had blown it and so it proved. Once the quality of ball into Mc Comiskey and Brannigan improved Down were on the pigs back. Down midfield were very good in the second half and while the introduction of Caldwell certainly helped, i feel the tide had already turned. Bit worried about Magee. Thought he looked very pedestrian at this level, which is strange because he's looked promising enough in the senior games i've seen him. Moving him to full forward cost Down about a four point swing midway through the second half. In fairness to Pete he didn't persist with it for too long and both Magee and Down finished strongly when he was moved back out the field.
Tyrone gave a lesson on how to lose a match when you dominate most of the first half and come out about even in the second half.
Chances went a begging early on for Tyrone when they overplayed the ball instead of taking responsibility and going for a score. Down substitutes proved very successful late in the second despite some serious doubts from their supporters.
Cork, Galway, Laois, Armagh, Dublin, Tyrone all out already. Seems this U21 championship is Wexford's to lose ;D :D ;D
Quote from: tyrone86 on March 27, 2008, 12:06:31 AM
Steve, how many of the Carlow lads would have played for the Hogan winning Knockbeg team in 05?
None of this Carlow side would have played on that Knockbeg team. Knockbeg is nearly always full of Laois guys.
I hear Derry are very good. They gave Sligo a trimming a couple of weeks ago in a challenge and I'm told they looked formidable.
QuoteCould be good...not the usual suspects in semi esp from Leinster!!
Eh! Kildare won the u/21 Leinster as recently as 2004 and have one of the better u/21 records in recent years dispite the last three where that stupid system has them grouped with Meath and Dublin.
Magpie, so far Derry have looked very good, they destroyed a Donegal team last night that put out reigning Ulster champions Armagh and Monaghan in the preliminary.
I would have them as favourites for Ulster on performances last night.
Stevecw, who's over the Carlow U-21s? Is Bealin involved? Hope ye can do it in Newbridge on Saturday. Those Kildare lads have enough titles. A Wexford-Carlow final would be something special.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 27, 2008, 02:29:14 PM
QuoteCould be good...not the usual suspects in semi esp from Leinster!!
Eh! Kildare won the u/21 Leinster as recently as 2004 and have one of the better u/21 records in recent years dispite the last three where that stupid system has them grouped with Meath and Dublin.
I'd love to hear the logic behind it.
Coz at the moment my view is that whoever came up with it is an idiot, and whoever let them impose it is worse.
I'm getting worried with all the silence from Seanie and Owenmore and Co. :-X
It leads me to think they are quietly confident of sending us the same way as the sent the Galwegians last week.
I'm also worried that a lot of Ros folk are talking about the Final v Mayo being played on a Wednesday night.
That's getting into the type of territory Kerry enterd in 1982 with their "5 in a row " t shirts and lwe all know that ended in tears. :'( - but only in Kerry
I'm hopeful but no more as we have a line up of whom 10 or 11 are eligible again next year and Sligo are reputed to be a big strong team. :-\
Quote from: Model Hammer on March 28, 2008, 12:22:58 PM
Stevecw, who's over the Carlow U-21s? Is Bealin involved? Hope ye can do it in Newbridge on Saturday. Those Kildare lads have enough titles. A Wexford-Carlow final would be something special.
No Bealin is not involved at all with the 21s. Manager is Tom Cullen, he played for Eire Og & Carlow years ago.
Doing a decent job with them. Was manager last year too when it didnt go so well. But having 4 or 5 of last years good minor side helps, those lads are used to winning.
It will be tough tomorrow in Newbridge, but not impossible by any means.
It would be great to see a Wexford-Carlow final.
sligo 1.7 roscommon 0.05 h.t
roscommon 1.11 sligo 1.9 ft mayo v ros connaught final wed. 6 april 6.30 kiltoom
The 6th is a Sunday and there are league games on.
Surely it would make more sense to play the game at a weekend? What's the panic? The semi finals are around the 20 April.
youre right barney. its the 9th of april
What happened to us in the second half...
It depressing to get so close and fall once again....
I was at Sligo v ros today. We played great stuff in 1st Half and went in 1-7 to 5 pts up. We were against whatever wind was there. To add to that roscommon got man sent off early in 2nd half. Sligo scored 2 pts and ros scored 1-6 in 2nd half.
How can this happen? Simple sligos atitude, decision making just collapsed and froze. Danny O grady even missed a 15 yd free in front of the goals. Unacceptable. We also hit 4 shots into keepers in quick time. Roscommon bullied us and we just let them, they are dirty but infairness ref did well sent off 1 and severl yellows.
O flatherty put no4 gaughan on there no 14 and he got roasted, this minimised the effect of our extra man. Ros made good changes but we only have ourselves to blame. Our players seemed to be afraid to win. We ll they played like a team who didnt want to win in 2nd half. Players legs seemed to go and the effort wained with really a serious lack of digging deep. It really was a collapse mentally in my opinion. VERY Similiar to leitrim game. Happens far to often.
How many more times am I going to go to a SLIGO match to see us lose our shape. It seems to be a unconcious reaction from our players from Senior to u16 and nobody seems to be able to anything. How you react to SET BACKS is always more mental.
I caught the last 10 mins of Sligo Mayo CML match in grange lost 1-7 to 1-6 i think.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 29, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
Roscommon bullied us and we just let them, they are dirty but infairness ref did well sent off 1 and severl yellows.
Disgraceful comment.
However I would be worried about the number of yellows we got mostly for personal fouls.
No complaints about the sending off. I think Conor needs to have a serious chat with someone who can put his attitude right. Fergie come in.
Most of the same players under Fergie O'Donnell werent getting booked for tackles.
Ros did not start their best 15 and it wasnt till near the end that we had our best 14 out.
Carty/Higgins and McKeague improved things. 3 stronger lads on a small light team.Also everyone in Ros except our management knows that David Flynn is not a full back.
Now for the real oul enemy who of course have to be roaring favourites ;)
Our finishing 14 had 4 -19 yr olds, and about 6 - 20 yr olds so we are at best only testing the water for next year.
Disgraceful comment my arse, 1 red 7or 8 yellows which could of been red but for he sent off a man already. Fairly realistic and honest comment in my book. Lots of late tackles rugby style and taking the man with out the ball, plus one clothesline around the neck. What are yee so if what i described isnt dirty? Roscommons indiscipline will cost yee whether yer fans have blinkered vision or not.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on March 29, 2008, 07:21:47 PM
Disgraceful comment my arse, 1 red 7or 8 yellows which could of been red but for he sent off a man already. Fairly realistic and honest comment in my book. Lots of late tackles rugby style and taking the man with out the ball, plus one clothesline around the neck. What are yee so if what i described isnt dirty? Roscommons indiscipline will cost yee whether yer fans have blinkered vision or not.
Your arse is right because you are talking out of it. You scored two points in an entire second half of football. You played with the wind in that second half (i know because the rain was being blown into my face). We got a red card about 5 minutes after half time (rightly so) and with 14 men we played Sligo off the pitch. It was down to the right changes being made at half time by the Ros management and the fact that Sligo were cleaned at midfield by Roscommon. Sligo could not build on the great first half they had and have no one to blame but themselves. They imploded in the second half and you are looking for excuses.
You silly bitter gobshite, how dare you try to imply Roscommon won because they were dirty.
Out scored 1-6 to 0-2 and with the wind and a numerical advantage. The facts speak for themselves. Now get over it!
Can you read you clown, Ive reposted again for your benefit. I said we ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME. I said why we lost the game, ye made changes at the right time. We lost our focus and completely bottled it. Where on EARTH did I say we lost because ros were dirty. It had 0% to with RESULT because AS I SAID REF DID WELL ON THAT SIDE of things.... read below again or else go back to school... ::)
I was at Sligo v ros today. We played great stuff in 1st Half and went in 1-7 to 5 pts up. We were against whatever wind was there. To add to that roscommon got man sent off early in 2nd half. Sligo scored 2 pts and ros scored 1-6 in 2nd half.
How can this happen? Simple sligos atitude, decision making just collapsed and froze. Danny O grady even missed a 15 yd free in front of the goals. Unacceptable. We also hit 4 shots into keepers in quick time. Roscommon bullied us and we just let them, they are dirty but infairness ref did well sent off 1 and severl yellows.
O flatherty put no4 gaughan on there no 14 and he got roasted, this minimised the effect of our extra man. Ros made good changes but we only have ourselves to blame. Our players seemed to be afraid to win. We ll they played like a team who didnt want to win in 2nd half. Players legs seemed to go and the effort wained with really a serious lack of digging deep. It really was a collapse mentally in my opinion. VERY Similiar to leitrim game. Happens far to often.
How many more times am I going to go to a SLIGO match to see us lose our shape. It seems to be a unconcious reaction from our players from Senior to u16 and nobody seems to be able to anything. How you react to SET BACKS is always more mental.
I caught the last 10 mins of Sligo Mayo CML match in grange lost 1-7 to 1-6 i think.
i think some of ros problems in the first half came from all the chopping & changing of players by our management before the game, sligo had players running loose all over the place in first half with nobody picking them up. i am a long time going to matches & anytime i saw wholesale changes like ros made all it did was cause confusion.
The proverbial game of 2 halves. Sligo looked very impressive in the first half, although it has to be said that Roscommon's performance in that half was very poor.
What on earth was Cathal Cregg doing playing in the half back line during that half :o
Really thought it was all over for Ros at half time, but Conor Devaney getting sent off made it look a certainty. That was a sending off waiting to happen because his temperament is suspect. As he got a straight red, i expect he will miss the final through suspension ???
I don't think it was a case of Sligo bottling it in the second half. In my opinion, they were swept away by a resurgent Ros team, who it has to be said didn't compete in the first half. Having been cleaned at midfield in the first half, Ros fared much better there after the break, especially James Mc Dermott. The half time introduction of Kevin Higgins and Niall Carty was crucial as both played well.
In defence, i thought Stephen Ormsby and David Keenan were outstanding. Donal Shine kicked 0-7 and played well, as did David O'Gara who worked his socks off.
Just for the record, Ros finished with 13 players as corner back, Ronan Brady, was sent off in last minute for 2 yellow cards.
As for the final, big improvement overall is needed. At least a 50% improvement if they're going to trouble Mayo. Our first half performance today was worryingly poor.
I am interested the knowledgable roscommon view on things. I dont mean to patronise yee but didnt yee have the whole Hasting cup to get the team right, like yere all using that as an excuse for the 1st half performance and clearly from yer perspective that seems to have some weight.
The more i think of it ye were so there for the taking today. We really left it behind us. We were so TAME in the 2nd half it was like we just in my opinion just bottled it or got lazy because workrate just wasnt there. Like we equally didnt turn up for the 2nd half and keep losing our shape.
QuoteDisgraceful comment my arse, 1 red 7or 8 yellows which could of been red but for he sent off a man already.
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Anyone know the date for the Leinster final?
What was the score between Kildare and Carlow?
Cadbury's Leinster Under 21 Football Championship Semi-Final
Kildare 0-13
Carlow 0-4
By Cóilín Duffy
Kildare coasted to a Cadbury's Leinster under 21 Football final meeting with Wexford next weekend after a strong second half performance at St. Conleth's Park, Newbridge yesterday.
The hosts were pushed all the way in the first half by a determined Carlow side, who were contesting their first semi-final at this grade since 1984, as the visitors led by 0-4 to 0-2 at the break.
James Kinsella was on target with all of the Carlow first half scorers but a suspected leg break to David Reid left the visitors with a tough task in the second half.
Kildare powered ahead in the second half with corner forward Gavin Smullen superb kicking five points, all bar one of which came during an impressive closing 30 minutes from Glenn Ryan's charges.
Kildare dominated right until the end and although John Amond took a late Carlow goal, Kildare were convincing as they advanced to the decider.
Scorers for Kildare: G Smullen 0-5; A Smith (2f), G Whyte 0-2 each; N Higgins, J Fogarty, E Ó Flaitheartaigh, K Kelly, M O'Sullivan 0-1 each.
Scorers for Carlow: J Kinsella (3f) 0-4; J Amond 1-0.
KILDARE: N McConnell; C Brophy, D Brennan, S Murphy; J Browne, G Whyte, T Byrne; M Waters, N Higgins; D Whyte, E Ó Flaitheartaigh, K Kelly; S Fahy, A Smith, G Smullen. Subs: D McInerney for Brophy; C Rice for Whyte; J Cocoman for Smith; M O'Sullivan for Fahy.
CARLOW: M Hennessy; P Doran, S Mernagh, E Nolan; A Murphy, D St. Ledger, S Redmond; K Jackson, S Gannon; D Reid, J Kinsella, P Farrell; D Molloy, G Doyle, C Mullins. Subs: J Amond for Reid; D Kelly for Gannon (23).
REFEREE: Gary McCormack (Dublin)
*** FINAL NEXT SUNDAY 2.30PM IN WEXFORD PARK
Sligonian, re the Hastings Cup etc, i agree 100% with you. Ros waltzed their way through that and since then have played a lot of challenge games against leading sides, losing only one of them against Kerry.
This team have had plenty of game time together in 2008, so i think they had plenty of time to have a team ready for yesterday.
But of course, yesterday was championship football, and to me, it looked like a lot of that Ros team froze in the first half . Sligo hit the ground running, and looked winners at half time.
Sligonian, you may also be right by saying that Sligo bottled it to an extent in the second half. When Ros upped the intensity of their performance after half time, many Sligo players didn't want to know.
Is it possible that some Sligo players were convinced that they had it won just after half time, leading by 5 points, playing with the wind, and Ros down to 14 men??
Then, when the going got tough, they just couldn't switch back on.
Big improvement needed by Ros in the final, because we were down this very same road last year, when we beat Sligo and then got hammered by Mayo in the Final.
Cheers Laoisgaa...
Its the last 8 now with the 4 Provincial titles up for grabs.
I think its Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht in the Semi's.
Derry v Down
Wexford v Kildare
Kerry v Tipperary
Roscommon v Mayo
Paddy of the Powers has them rated as follows for the All Ireland title
Kerry 7 - 4
Kildare 7 - 2
Down 4 - 1
Derry 6 - 1
Mayo 15 - 2
Roscommon 8 - 1
Wexford 16 - 1
Tipperary 40 - 1
Happy with the Kerry progress this year, 2 good wins ove Limerick and champions Cork leave them odds on to beat Tipperary but they still have to go out and preform and I am sure Tipp will be well up for it.
Re Ross Sligo I think the game was won on sideline.
Sligo were very good in 1st half. Their 2 corner forwards caused all sorts of trouble which led to former minor captain Flynn being hauled off at half time after been cleaned.
The Ross management made the changes to win the game. The backs tightened up and generally upped the intensity all over the pitch.
I thought the Sligo managment were slow to react and didnt utilise the extra man.
I wouldnt say the players on the pitch bottled it but when ross got level early in 2nd half the momentum had swung and only looked like one winner. Only great defending denied Ross another 2 goals in that 2nd half
Ross have to improve the next day and as regards having Devaney suspended is no bad thing.
What he done yesterday was idiotic and should have cost them the game. Should be booted off the panel now in my opinion. Let the whole squad down and needs to be taught a lesson.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 30, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Its the last 8 now with the 4 Provincial titles up for grabs.
I think its Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht in the Semi's.
Derry v Down
Wexford v Kildare
Kerry v Tipperary
Roscommon v Mayo
Paddy of the Powers has them rated as follows for the All Ireland title
Kerry 7 - 4
Kildare 7 - 2
Down 4 - 1
Derry 6 - 1
Mayo 15 - 2
Roscommon 8 - 1
Wexford 16 - 1
Tipperary 40 - 1
Happy with the Kerry progress this year, 2 good wins ove Limerick and champions Cork leave them odds on to beat Tipperary but they still have to go out and preform and I am sure Tipp will be well up for it.
I wouldn't take one bit of notice of those odds. I remember in 2006, at the semi final stage of the minor championship, Roscommon were the 8/1
outsiders of the four to win the All Ireland, but it didn't stop them winning it though , did it?
I've never seen an All Ireland won or lost in a bookie's office yet.
I think 8/1 on Ros is not bad. I certainly expect them to win the Connach final. Was very hopeful for Sligo's chances but I knew Ros were quite good. It seems our boys just took their eye off the ball and were made pay the ultimate price. A bad weekend.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on March 30, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Its the last 8 now with the 4 Provincial titles up for grabs.
I think its Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht in the Semi's.
Derry v Down
Wexford v Kildare
Kerry v Tipperary
Roscommon v Mayo
Paddy of the Powers has them rated as follows for the All Ireland title
Kerry 7 - 4
Kildare 7 - 2
Down 4 - 1
Derry 6 - 1
Mayo 15 - 2
Roscommon 8 - 1
Wexford 16 - 1
Tipperary 40 - 1
Happy with the Kerry progress this year, 2 good wins ove Limerick and champions Cork leave them odds on to beat Tipperary but they still have to go out and preform and I am sure Tipp will be well up for it.
I will be brave and be the first to predict the finalists ;)
Down v. Mayo
I'd go for Kildare v Kerry and memories of 98 to flood back for Glenn Ryan!
I don't think the Mayo forwards are good enough to consider winning this competition.
Kerry on paper look very good but the wet heavy pitches is a great leveller at this time of year so shocks are always possible.
On the Sligo/Ros match I wonder did the extra game stand to Sligo in the first half and once Ros got warmed up showed they were a much better team?
Quote from: Barney on March 31, 2008, 08:01:02 AM
On the Sligo/Ros match I wonder did the extra game stand to Sligo in the first half and once Ros got warmed up showed they were a much better team?
I think so barney ya - Sligo have some very good individual players but Ros just seemed to have a stronger all round team.
In saying that I wasnt that impressed with our midfield and would worry about that. In a strange way the sending off actually benefited Ros more, Sligo did not use the extra man well at all. I dont know enough about the Mayo U-21 team to even guess who will win the final - think it could be on mid week though which is not ideal.
QuoteI'd go for Kildare v Kerry and memories of 98 to flood back for Glenn Ryan!
I'd take that, we beat them in the semi-final that year and at least there's no Galway lurking around....
Is 6/1 big for Derry? They're looking strong aren't they?
That final is now at 3.30pm in Wexford Park on Sunday - there's a Minor hurling game on before it
Quote from: Barney on March 31, 2008, 08:01:02 AM
On the Sligo/Ros match I wonder did the extra game stand to Sligo in the first half and once Ros got warmed up showed they were a much better team?
I'd say it certainly did. Sligo hit the ground running after the Galway match and were well up for it. I think that and the lack of a competative championship match for a luke warm Ros left Sligo with a healthy advantage in the first half. They seemed to have an extra yard on the Ros players especially their FF line which was hugely impressive in the first half.
However the Ros squad has a lot of strength in depth this year. Any one of the subs bench could be a first team player such is the talent at Micheal Ryans disposal. It was here that the game was changed with the subs he brought on at H/T. Changing the FB, as well as jigging the CHB & CHF lines turned it around. That and a more confident style of play. They realised that they were within 30 minutes of going out of the championship and responded.
It should stand to them to have had a good competative game like this and hopefully they will not take a full 30 minutes to start playing against Mayo.
On the progress so far in the Ulster championship I would put Derry slightly ahead of Down, I think 6-1 for them is a great price.
They demolished Donegal, who had beat Armagh and Monaghan like. Made them look like wee boys!! McGoldrick and Brown have been flying.
I would put Down 6/5 and Derry 5/6 for the Ulster final if I was pricing it...
Dont under-estimate Down. This is the same team that won the Minor All Ireland in 2005 and hammered Mayo in the Final. If they beat Derry they will be hard to stop.
I know all that, I'm a Down man myself sure!! I'm just playing the whole thing down, alleviate the pressure a bit!
Plus I have backed Down to win Ulster from before the Antrim game
As long as they can keep Derry's forwards under control they will do well, the Down forwards will just work away as uaual.
Quote from: laoisgaa on March 30, 2008, 02:49:33 AM
Cadbury's Leinster Under 21 Football Championship Semi-Final
Kildare 0-13
Carlow 0-4
By Cóilín Duffy
Scorers for Kildare: G Smullen 0-5; A Smith (2f), G Whyte 0-2 each; N Higgins, J Fogarty, E Ó Flaitheartaigh, K Kelly, M O'Sullivan 0-1 each.
Scorers for Carlow: J Kinsella (3f) 0-4; J Amond 1-0.
Well Cóilín Duffy and whoever he writes for must have left that game a few minutes early! The final score was actually 0-14 to 1-4.
Not that it makes much difference, it was a well deserved big win for Kildare.
Strange kinda game really. After 25 mins it was a point each only! Carlow had dropped about 6 efforts short into keepers arms, while Kildare had kicked same amount of chances wide. Then sadly a Carlow forward David Reid broke his leg, the game was held up for 10 mins. After that Carlow took control and went in 0-4 - 0-2 up at the break.
At half time it was looking good. Teams looked evenly matched & we in our 2 games up to now played much better in 2nd half!
But Kildare came out flying after the break, scored 4 points within 5 mins. And then nearly ended the game only for an outstanding save by the Carlow keeper. But the save was all for nothing as Kildare went from 0-4 - 0-2 down to lead 0-14 - 0-4! Carlow got a good goal in last minute, but it just took the really bad look off the scoreboard, and i can sum up how the 2nd half was by saying that was the only effort we had in the entire 2nd half!!
Kildare looked brilliant once they got going, kicked points from all angles. Big strong, physical side...they will not be easy to beat & i can see why they are in as 2nd faves to win All Ireland.
I reckon they will easily dispose of Wexford next week, even though the game is in Wexford park. AI semi v Ulster champs should be some game.
As for Carlow, well a Leinster semi was more than we expected at start of year...its 15 years since we last got to 1 at u21 level. 11 of saturdays starting team are underage again next year, so looks promising as long as we can keep them together.
Were you at the Leitrim game Barney? It's just that I've heard the same as you that the Mayo team have good backs and poor forwards but to score 1-16 albeit against Leitrim, it's not bad considering that the 'terrible forward' line has been trotted out. Would Roscommon be favourites to win Connacht? They have some of their minor team that won in 06 as well.
QuoteI'd go for Kildare v Kerry and memories of 98 to flood back for Glenn Ryan!
I'd take that, we beat them in the semi-final that year and at least there's no Galway lurking around....
Yerra that was the Senior semi final in 98, we were more interested in winning the U21 that year and wanting the bould Micko to win one last all Ireland only for the Lilywhite to let him down in the final.
Our last U21 win in 98 produced a plethora of future household names and All Ireland senior winners.
1998: D. Moloney,
M. McCarthy,
T. O'Sullivan, K. Leen,
J. Sheehan,
T. O Se, M. Beckett,
T. Griffin,
E. Fitzmaurice,
A. Mac Gearailt, P. O'Sullivan, L. Brosnan,
M.F. Russell,
N. Kennelly, B. Scanlon. Subs: I. Twiss, M. Burke
Wing back Martin Beckett was killed in a car crash shortly aftwareds which cut short a promissing football career , RIP.
Not a bad haul from U21 level to senior winners. Tis time we won it again
Quote from: southdown on March 31, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
Dont under-estimate Down. This is the same team that won the Minor All Ireland in 2005 and hammered Mayo in the Final.
Minus Marty Clarke now though!
Derry are looking very good, strangely enough for a good u-21 side they don't have a single player who will make the 24 come Championship time IMO. I'd think Down will still be favourites for the Ulster, it will be very difficult for Derry to keep that level of performance going but here's hoping they can!
QuoteWell Cóilín Duffy and whoever he writes for must have left that game a few minutes early! The final score was actually 0-14 to 1-4.
Not that it makes much difference, it was a well deserved big win for Kildare.
That would be me - sorry a typo on the scoreline - apologies!
Who is the j sheehan you''ve highlighted KM?
Quote from: Rav67 on March 31, 2008, 09:17:16 PM
Derry are looking very good, strangely enough for a good u-21 side they don't have a single player who will make the 24 come Championship time IMO.
There's another way of looking at that. Unusually for an U-21 side I'd say they have 7 or 8 players who will make the Senior 24 over the next 2 years. There are none of the top players that are well enough developed yet to make the Senior Championship squad. The likes of Enda Lynn, Eoghan Brown, James Kielt, Chris Mc Keague, Sean Loe Mc Gloldrick, Niall Holly and Brian Og Mc Alary are not that far away and they have more than enough talent to make it.
Ulster U21 Final has been set for Saturday 2pm, Casement.
Quote from: Rossie11 on March 30, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
The Ross management made the changes to win the game. The backs tightened up and generally upped the intensity all over the pitch.
I thought the Sligo managment were slow to react and didnt utilise the extra man.
I wouldnt say the players on the pitch bottled it but when ross got level early in 2nd half the momentum had swung and only looked like one winner. Only great defending denied Ross another 2 goals in that 2nd half
A fairly good summation of affairs there. Danny Grady was running the show in the first half but didn't get near as much space in the second half, and dropped two shots into the kerrper's hands, and missed an easy free. We fell apart when the pressure came on. Doesn't hlp when your HF line goes collectively missing either, and going by the corner-forward displays you would have Coen before Kelly, at least he wants to kick the frigging thing now and again. Same old story.
BARNEY......Can you name the Mayo Under 21 team that beat Leitrim?
Are there many of them on the Senior team, and do you expect those that are, to play against Galway next Sunday?
Munster this weekend per Aertel.
Ros v Mayo in Kiltoom Wed 9th April at 6.30pm.
The Munster Final between Tipperary & Kerry is being played on Saturday in Ardfinnan (near Clonmel). The throw in is at 2 o'clock.
Looks like BARNEY has been struck dumb re answering the above question.
He's freely posting on other threads, but no doubt will return here with plenty to say if Mayo win the final.
since barney is gone m.i.a. here it is ; s. nallen d. vaughan,g.cafferky, c.english c.barrett,t.cunniffe,j.burke,t.parsons,s.oshea,a.cambell,b.gallagher t.gavin,j.docertyk.swenney,m.rafter. tom cunnife and tom parsons are the only players starting on sundaywith nallen barrett oshea and cambell among the subs
Another nail-biter at Casement today before Down just about edged it. There was a gale-force wind blowing towards the motorway end, and both sides were far better against the breeze. Down played against the wind in the first half, defended well and broke away for two brilliant goals from Garvey, who got Mo M, and McComiskey. The McComiskey goal was almost the last kick of the half, and left us three up at the break and looking like certainties for the title.
However, we lost our way badly and Derry came back at us like a very fine side. After their goal, it was anyone's game. We steadied when Packy Downey came on, and his cross at the end was punched to the net by Ryan Kelly. I think we just about deserved it, but we have plenty to do if we are going to go any further.
BBC REPORT
Ryan Kelly's last-gasp fisted goal helped Down edge out Derry 3-11 to 1-14 in a thrilling Cadbury's Ulster U21 football final at Casement Park.
Conor Garvey's 15th-minute strike and a glorious goal by Paul McComiskey helped Down lead 2-5 to 0-8 at the interval.
Sean Leo McGoldrick's goal helped Derry draw level and while Down edged two ahead again, two Ryan Kealy points got the Oak Leafers on terms late on.
But Kelly's goal won the game for the Mourne County.
Any word from Ardfinnan?
Just saw it on Aertel, including a report, so I presume there's no errors ::)
Kerry 0-15 Tipperary 2-07
Tight enough, but another piece of silverware heading Kerry way. They must spend a fortune on polish.
A brave effort by Tipp today and a match that Tipp will feel they could have won, but for being short 4 of their first choice players (2 suspended from the 1st round game against Clare and 2 or 3 others injured). It was the best display by a Tipperary football team for a long time and I have no doubt that Tipp would have won this game with a full strength team. So near and yet so far.
QuoteBARNEY......Can you name the Mayo Under 21 team that beat Leitrim?
Sorry Shrewdness but I haven't had a gander at this thread in a while. I see the answer is there now.
As I said I do think Ros will be better than us. So does Paddy Power by the way!
Kerry look very strong with Paul O'Connor, Paddy Curran, Donal Moran and Tommy Walsh up front.
Anyone know the semi final line ups or where and when the ties will be played
I presume it's Connacht/Munster and Ulster/Leinster lineup in the semi-finals, like it would be in the Senior before the backdoor came in.
Semis
Down v Kildare/Wexford
Kerry v Mayo/Roscommon
Quote from: Barney on April 05, 2008, 08:48:05 PM
QuoteBARNEY......Can you name the Mayo Under 21 team that beat Leitrim?
Sorry Shrewdness but I haven't had a gander at this thread in a while. I see the answer is there now.
As I said I do think Ros will be better than us. So does Paddy Power by the way!
Kerry look very strong with Paul O'Connor, Paddy Curran, Donal Moran and Tommy Walsh up front.
Not so sure having seen them twice lots of chinks in their armour .But we live in hope
Tyrone will be kicking themselves and rightly so ! :(
No probs Barney.
I would be very concerned that Mayo will dominate midfield. Likely that Tom Parsons and Seamus O'Shea will clean up because Ros weren't impressive there against Sligo.
To be honest, i won't be putting any money on Ros.
Kildare 0-10 Wexford 0-6 FT
Any one know when the semi finals are on ?
According to the GAA master fixture list, the semis are on Saturday, April 19, and the final is on Saturday, May 3. There is no word about venues yet, but you would expect Navan to get the nod for Down v Kildare. There are several possible options for Kerry v Roscommon/Mayo.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2008, 06:16:25 PM
According to the GAA master fixture list, the semis are on Saturday, April 19, and the final is on Saturday, May 3. There is no word about venues yet, but you would expect Navan to get the nod for Down v Kildare. There are several possible options for Kerry v Roscommon/Mayo.
The GAA always seem to fix Kerry /Connacht games in Ennis ( of glorious and immortal memories of that September day ;D )
How about a double header in Mullingar?
Great performance from Kildare, Kildare are now the most successful side ever in Leinster U/21 football :o
No surprise that our defence is our main strength with Glen Ryan as Manager and McGeeney having a big influence, probably 2 of the greatest centre half backs ever to play the game.
Looking forward to the All-Ireland semi Down will be a massive test for this Kildare side and Down will start favourites, if the venue is Navan that will suit having already beat Meath there and it will ensure a big Kildare support...
Quote from: western exile on April 06, 2008, 10:57:49 PM
How about a double header in Mullingar?
Why not Croke Park - give the lads a day out, isnt that the idea of the stadia.
Surely Roscommon Kerry will be in the Gaelic Grounds? Or maybe Nenagh?
Roscommon Under 21 team to play Mayo tomorrow night.......
James Martin
Ronan Brady
David Flynn
Stephen Ormsby
Niall Carty
David Keenan
Colm Garvey
Michael Killilea
James Mc Dermott
Kevin Higgins
Paul Garvey
Cathal Cregg
David O'Gara
Enda Kenny
Donal Shine.
Any word on venues yet?
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2008, 10:25:37 AM
Surely Roscommon Kerry will be in the Gaelic Grounds? Or maybe Nenagh?
Know the Rossies to be clear favourites but..........the Connacht final against Mayo is on tomorrow night !
Last year Cafferkey struggled against Enda Kenny. It was the only bright spot on the day for the Rossies really. Shine, O'Gara and Cregg added to that are going to test us big time.
Parsons and O'Shea will both need huge games in the middle if we are to win.
There seems to be huge expectancy in Ros, while in Mayo many down here don't even know that the game is on. Will be interesting to see how the Rossies meet this burning desire for a much needed win.
Reckon it will be a close one and I think on paper Ros have the better team but have a sneaky feeling that the best laid plans of the GAA will be thrown up in the air and we'll be back in Castlebar on Saturday week.
Can extra time be played? If so, don't be suprised to see a draw and Mayo refusing to play ET under the lights!
Barney, in the Ros/Sligo Semi, there was a provision for extra time, so i'm sure the same applies tomorrow.
Just feel that Mayo have too much craft for Ros. I doubt Ros' ability to sustain a challenge for full game.
Surprised to hear of such a low key build up in Mayo, considering they won this All Ireland 2 years ago.
Come on Ros
but I think we will have our work cut out for us.
Still it will be nice to see a Ros team that will be competitive at worst.
I take it Devenney is suspended for this match after being sent off against Sligo.
I'm surprised James McKeague isn't a regular starter, thought he looked very good on the All Ireland winning minor team.
Kerry will be keeping a close eye on this Connacht final, we were very poor against Tipperary last weekend and lucky to win out in the end I have heard, but The Munster title is nice a bit of silverware to win given outr recent flaws at this level. Sean Geaney and his players have alot of work to do and something to focus on before the Semi.
Hard to know really if we have the drive and motivation to push on but most of those Kerry players have lost recent Minor All Ireland's and if its either Mayo or the Rossies it will be a tough semi.
Quote from: dodo on April 08, 2008, 07:21:17 PM
I take it Devenney is suspended for this match after being sent off against Sligo.
I'm surprised James McKeague isn't a regular starter, thought he looked very good on the All Ireland winning minor team.
Devaney is suspended alright.
A mild surprise McKeague(19) and Domican(20) arent starting but if McK was that would mean five 19 year olds on the team.
As it is there are only six 21 yr olds, five 20 year olds and four 19 yr olds.
A youthful team or what ?
QuoteA youthful team or what ?
Well it is u21!!
The way footabll is gone a good 19 year old has no difficulty in thriving at this level. Mayo had O'Shea, Barrett, Campbell, Cafferkey and Cunniffe on the team that won the All Ireland two years ago. All bar Cafferkey have played for the seniors and you would believe that they will all be important players in the years to come.
The Connacht championship could be very interesting in 3/4 years time when Galway, Ros and Mayo have brought through their young talents.
Quote from: dodo on April 08, 2008, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 07, 2008, 10:25:37 AM
Surely Roscommon Kerry will be in the Gaelic Grounds? Or maybe Nenagh?
Know the Rossies to be clear favourites but..........the Connacht final against Mayo is on tomorrow night !
Sorry, I meant to say Roscommon/Mayo Kerry will be in the Gaelic Grounds. I sometimes get tired by the time I've finished typing Roscommmm zzzzzzzzzzzz....
Quote from: Shrewdness on April 08, 2008, 02:05:54 PM
Roscommon Under 21 team to play Mayo tomorrow night.......
James Martin
Ronan Brady
David Flynn
Stephen Ormsby
Niall Carty
David Keenan
Colm Garvey
Michael Killilea
James Mc Dermott
Kevin Higgins
Paul Garvey
Cathal Cregg
David O'Gara
Enda Kenny
Donal Shine.
I've actually now heard a different version of the above team, so i don't know what's going on.
Suppose we'll know for sure at 6.30 this evening.
It is with regret that we inform you of the death of Tipperary footballer Darrel Darcy of the Shannon Rovers GAA club who was tragically killed in a car accident on Tuesday afternoon.
Darrel played inter-county football for Tipperary at Minor, Under 21 and Senior level. Last weekend, Darrel lined out at corner-forward for Tipperary in the Munster Under 21 Football Final while on the following day, he appeared as a substitute for the Tipperary Senior Footballers in their victory over Antrim.
Darrel's GAA achievements include winning an All-Ireland Vocational Schools Football title with Tipperary as well as winning Divisional League and Championship medals with the Shannon Rovers GAA club. Darrel was named the North Tipperary Minor Footballer of the Year in 2005.
As a mark of respect, the Munster Minor Football Championship game between Tipperary and Waterford scheduled for this evening in Dungarvan has been postponed and will now take place on Wednesday, April 16th. In addition, scheduled training sessions for the Tipperary Senior Hurlers, Senior Footballers and Minor Hurlers were called off on Tuesday evening while a planned meeting of the Tipperary County Executive was also postponed.
The Tipperary County Board would like to extend our heartfelt condolences to the Darcy family during this difficult time
Funeral arrangements to follow
May he rest in peace.
Ed Donnelly
Tipperary PRO
Just seen press release on GAA website. RIP
Ah Jaysus. That's just tragic. The poor young fella. Lord have mercy on him, and God help his family. The prime of his life.
That's very sad news and puts life in perspective..Maybe we are all guilty of taking sport and our inter county rivalries too seriously at times, because events like this show us what serious really means.........RIP.
Connacht U-21 Championship:
Roscommon 0-4 Mayo 1-07
Mayo seem to be well on top. Running down the middle straight through Roscommon defence according to Mid-West. Chris Barrett, Tom Parsons, Aidan Campbell and Mikey Sweeney seem to be best for Mayo.
Roscommon giving ball away very easy, misplaced passes etc
listen to in live on Widwest radio http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php (http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php)
FT Roscommon 0-14 Mayo 1-14
Mayo team were more clinical. Roscommon hit a penalty over the bar with 7 mins left. On stoke of time a clear goal over the bar, then 4 mins into injury time & last kick of game shot off the crossbar. Add in a soft goal, against the run of play for Mayo in the first h >:(alf
However,
Pride back in the jersey, never say die attitude even when Mayo hit sucker punches & good luck to by all accounts a very good Mayo team in the semi final.
Yee Mayo lads break my heart
best of luck to mayo, great game,great display by the rossies considering the terrible last few weeks they had. just shows we can play a bit of football under a different manager..just goes to show despite the spin ,WHOS falt it was.
Great to win 3 in a row. Cafferkey, Barrett, Cuniffe, O Shea and Campbell played against Cork in All Ireland final 06. May 08. More remarkable when you consider that Galway won the minor provincal minor titles in 2003, 2004 and 2005 but could nt take it on to u21 at all? That has to be very satisfying from our point of view.
We have nt won a minor since John P Keane s days. Managerial days that is. That was 2001. In fact I do n t think we ve won a minor since the county was divided for the Tedd Webb. Anyway I d rather win u21 any day than minor.
true but galway have players like paul conroy. the u21 is wide open i think - i saw kerry earlier in the year- distinctly average was my impression byt their lofty standards- while kildare are decent but lack firepower. probably down are the classiest side left. i think they'll take it.
By the very highest standards, down are ropey at the back and weak at midfield. sensaional full forward line though
Quotebest of luck to mayo, great game,great display by the rossies considering the terrible last few weeks they had. just shows we can play a bit of football under a different manager..just goes to show despite the spin ,whos falt it was.
Complete and utter bolloux. This is a Rossie U-21 team more or less made up of the All-Ireland U-21 winning team of 2 years ago. Your senior team is made up a very average bunch of players.
Was at the match this evening - big crowd, around 2,500 in a small compact ground i'd say of which no more than 200 were following the green and red i'd say
You got to respect the savage hunger of your average Rossie fan. There was bucks around me frothing at the mouth 10 minutes into the second half when Ros has pulled back the 7pt half time deficit to 4 pts. Mayo were always able to go back up the field (into the breeze in the second half) and get the point or 2 though to keep the gap at 5 or 6 though but at the end of the day Ros were lucky not to get a goal in the last 10 ...... absolutely shocking penalty by Shine - must have gone 8 feet over the bar.
I wouldnt say Down are ropey at the back. Murney the full back is excellent, so too is Conor Garvey in the half back line. Duffin at CHB isnt bad, though he is no Eamon McConville, who for some strange reason has been left off the panel. Eamon was the unsung hero of the 2005 minor team.
At midfield James Colgan has been quietly effective, though not as effective as he was at minor level. This may be due to the absence of Peter Fitzpatrick through long term injury.
The forward line is frightening, even without Marvellous Marty Clarke, who is keeping a very close eye on his old team mates at the minute.
A repeat of the 2005 minor final may still be on the cards. Although Clarke and Colgan made the headlines that day, the top scorer that day, Paul McCumiskey is still terrorising defences. So Mr Ulster, you may describe Down as "ropey", that doesnt say an awful lot for Tyrone, Derry or indeed Armagh.
Very entertaining match at Kiltoom earlier. Some fantastic scoring from both sides in a well contested match. Mayo were able to keep ahead of the Rossies for the remainder of the game after the Roaring Rossies went 0-3 to 0-2 ahead in the first half. Mikey Sweeney's fisted goal from a free got Mayo back ahead and this gave us the confidence to take our chances after some wayward shooting and went in at half time leading 1-7 to 0-4.
Roscommon playing with the breeze in the second half got the deficit down to 3 points on a few occasions but never less. Séamus O'Shea was having a solid match in the middle with Parsons not being so prominent. The Rossies were threatening to break through the Mayo defence on a few occasions that necessitated fouling the man to concede the pointed free to Donie Shine. Ross got a penalty after Chris Barrett's flumsy ball handling led to him conceding the spot kick, Shine made a hames of the penalty skying the ball straight over the bar. This let off along with a clear cut goal chance that was missed plus Cathal Cregg's thunderous shot from 30 yards out that came back off the crossbar at the death made for nervous viewing. Nevertheless, I thought Mayo were deserving winners.
Aidan Campbell was a constant threat and ended up being announced as the official man of the match.
Quote from: rocco on April 09, 2008, 09:36:52 PM
best of luck to mayo, great game,great display by the rossies considering the terrible last few weeks they had. just shows we can play a bit of football under a different manager..just goes to show despite the spin ,WHOS falt it was.
The u-21s were a good team that played some very good football tonight in Kiltoom. No doubt the manager and county can take pride in this squad. Despite the spin you are trying to put on this you cannot blame your (and Mayo's) ex-manager for all your ails.
Quote from: rocco on April 09, 2008, 09:36:52 PM
best of luck to mayo, great game,great display by the rossies considering the terrible last few weeks they had. just shows we can play a bit of football under a different manager..just goes to show despite the spin ,WHOS falt it was.
Fair play, good match by the sounds of it. Always great sportsmanship both on and off the field between the two counties. Another example above.
Well done to the lads, here's hoping we can lift the under 21 title this year. Campbell hitting 8 points is a great sign. Surely JOM must have a place for him in the forwards come championship time.
Also, R.I.P Darrel Darcy.
Always a great sense of satisfaction when winning a Connacht title - great to see these lads continuing on with this great run at U-21 level. Good game to watch by the sound of things, can anyone confirm if it's the Kingdom up next?
Its Kingdom next alright.
Great news to win that game, I really had my doubts. Sounds like a cracker, have to admit eight points from Campbell is some haul. He certainly has talent but needs to deliver on a consistent basis. Mikey Sweeney is a class act too - real livewire, very small but God he takes some marking
Kerry are there for the taking by all accounts, could this be another 2006 - very low expectations but steadily progressing due to a great attitude and sense of teamwork that Holmes and, IMO, especially Noel Connelly build in the team?
Well done Mayo.Listened to it on internet and thought Mayo were on top for 90% of the game but to win only because the ross missed a penalty and hit the crossbar has got to be a worry for Mayo.
Well done all the same.
I know I was giving out about date, time, venue etc. but still had to wander up to Kiltoom last night and was delighted that I did.
Another promising u21 team and Holmes and Connelly have done a great job with them.
Aidan Campbell was superb. He has the potential to develop into a really top-class forward and Seamus O'Shea seemed determined to put down a marker to JOM.
Chris Barrett should probably have got a second yellow for the peno but I do feel we were the better team.
Great Ros crowd there and nice grounds. It was my first visit to Kiltoom, but the traffic is a bit of problem.
Any date/venue for semi. I presume its in 10 days in Ennis/Limerick?
I'd say so too Barney. Fair play to the lads though for doing a 3 in a row at Connacht level anyway. Maybe the future isn't as gloomy as I certainly thought it would be with all the 'older guard' moving on from the game. Well done again.
Well done Mayo, fully deserved their win. Great game of football and a great crowd there too. An inch lower at the end and what might have been. Best of luck against Kerry lads.
I wasn't at the game but by all report it was a good game of football. Not majorly disappointed with the result, if we can keep these group of lads together then the future looks bright enough. I would imagine alot of the lads would be eligible for U-21 again next year.
Anyway fair play to Mayo, hope ye go on now and win it again.
It sounded like Mayo were fairly comfortable in the first half but the Rossies came storming into it as the second half wore on.
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads. They had a penalty and Donie Shine blazed it over the bar. They had another 1 on 1 and the forward (can't remember who it was) sent that over too. Then Cathal Cregg hit the crossbar with the final kick of the game.
Still, Rossies can take a lot of encouragement that they have good young players coming through and the recent disastrous results for the seniors shouldn't be something they have to get used to.
Connacht needs a 3rd strong county, so I hope Roscommon can put it up to Mayo and Galway on a consistent basis (apologies Sligo & Leitrim, but Roscommon have better talent coming through!)
From a Mayo point of view, great to win 3 Connacht U-21 titles in a row. There's still talent coming through, even though we haven't won a Connacht minor title in years (they lost to Leitrim by 6 points at weekend >:( ) Sounded like Aidan Campbell had a brilliant game, I'm surprised he didn't get a proper run during the league - based on that performance, he might get his chance in Omagh on Sunday.
Good entertainment last night alright.Mayo could've been out of sight at half time but for some wayward shooting.At midfield,thought Parsons was excellent and O'Shea very strong too.Both good purposeful runners.
Maybe it was being surrounded by Rossies but ref seemed to edge towards Mayo in the decision stakes.
Thought Enda Kenny and the Ros no.21(Gorman?) won some good ball off scraps but had no-one running off them.Shine's free kicking was sublime(besides peno).Campbell at wing forward for Mayo was very strong and assured.Impressed with Mayo's two wingbacks too.Mayo's physicality and hunger was exceptional esp. in 1st half.
O'Gara not coming out for 2nd half(presume he was injured?) was a blow but just like the Sligo game the Rossies hit a rhythm and it got white hot for 6-7 minutes.There were some great scores in 1st 10 mins of 2nd half.The missed penalty was crucial.Had he stuck it I don't think Mayo would've quelled the Rossie tide.A couple of Mayo scores kept the wolf from the door but even the insurance score didn't have these Rossies covered in the policy.The point to bring it back to 3(should've been stuck) and Cregg's piledriver off the crossbar(he was exceptional throughout-his point from the right midway thru 2nd half and his tackling were superb) were a fitting finish to an absorbing game that Mayo's hunger and composure deserved to take.
For the AI outright Down must be favourites.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads.
What the hell is that about?! I've never felt sorry for beating anyone that's half what's wrong with Mayo football. Just look at the senior team against Donegal and Galway not cynical enough to put the game away.
Down must be favourites for the All Ireland as they gave this Mayo group a good hiding in the 2005 minor final. Marty Clarke being in Oz is a big loss.
Quote from: StoneWall on April 10, 2008, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads.
What the hell is that about?! I've never felt sorry for beating anyone that's half what's wrong with Mayo football. Just look at the senior team against Donegal and Galway not cynical enough to put the game away.
Down must be favourites for the All Ireland as they gave this Mayo group a good hiding in the 2005 minor final. Marty Clarke being in Oz is a big loss.
Ditto Pierce Hanley for us!
QuoteEven listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads.
What the hell is that about?! I've never felt sorry for beating anyone that's half what's wrong with Mayo football. Just look at the senior team against Donegal and Galway not cynical enough to put the game away.
Down must be favourites for the All Ireland as they gave this Mayo group a good hiding in the 2005 minor final. Marty Clarke being in Oz is a big loss.
I wasn't saying I was sorry we beat Ros! I was only saying we were lucky to hold on at the end, and Ros were unlucky not to equalise. I agree we could be meaner and more cynical on the field, but giving the opposition their credit is not why we've failed to win an All-Ireland in the last 56 years...
As a Rossie, i'd like to congratulate Mayo on their deserved victory yesterday evening.
They looked the better balanced team .
Heartbreakingly close at the end but over the course of the game Mayo shaded it.
Ross clawed back Sligo in the semi and same group fought back in minor final but was a case of going to the well once too often.
No complaints about the result.
That Campbell is a fine forward for Mayo, has pace and accuracy and caused problems for us all night.
If he can keep it going it will give Mayo every chance in the semi and good luck to them.
19.04.2008 (Sat)
Cadburys All Ireland U21 Football Championship
Semi-Final
Nenagh 3.30pm Ciarraí v Maigh Eo
Referee: Tomas Quigley, Baile Átha Cliath
Páirc 5.00pm An Dún v Cill Dara
Tailteann Referee: Pat McGovern, Gaillimh
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
It sounded like Mayo were fairly comfortable in the first half but the Rossies came storming into it as the second half wore on.
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads. They had a penalty and Donie Shine blazed it over the bar. They had another 1 on 1 and the forward (can't remember who it was) sent that over too. Then Cathal Cregg hit the crossbar with the final kick of the game.
Still, Rossies can take a lot of encouragement that they have good young players coming through and the recent disastrous results for the seniors shouldn't be something they have to get used to.
Connacht needs a 3rd strong county, so I hope Roscommon can put it up to Mayo and Galway on a consistent basis (apologies Sligo & Leitrim, but Roscommon have better talent coming through!)
From a Mayo point of view, great to win 3 Connacht U-21 titles in a row. There's still talent coming through, even though we haven't won a Connacht minor title in years (they lost to Leitrim by 6 points at weekend >:( ) Sounded like Aidan Campbell had a brilliant game, I'm surprised he didn't get a proper run during the league - based on that performance, he might get his chance in Omagh on Sunday.
With all due respect Sligo have as good underage coming through as ros, galway and mayo at present. I mean our minors last yr really should of beaten Galway minors only to lose by 2pts and they kicked on to win all ireland, also this yr we beat galwayu21s, and really blew it against ros. Just because we dont have the winning tradition of others doesnt mean we dont have talent coming through. This yrs minor looks very close to call in connaght aswell so at present and for the next 2 to 3yrs underage in connaght is NO 2 horse race or 3 for that matter ;). Best of luck against Kerry.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 10, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
It sounded like Mayo were fairly comfortable in the first half but the Rossies came storming into it as the second half wore on.
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads. They had a penalty and Donie Shine blazed it over the bar. They had another 1 on 1 and the forward (can't remember who it was) sent that over too. Then Cathal Cregg hit the crossbar with the final kick of the game.
Still, Rossies can take a lot of encouragement that they have good young players coming through and the recent disastrous results for the seniors shouldn't be something they have to get used to.
Connacht needs a 3rd strong county, so I hope Roscommon can put it up to Mayo and Galway on a consistent basis (apologies Sligo & Leitrim, but Roscommon have better talent coming through!)
From a Mayo point of view, great to win 3 Connacht U-21 titles in a row. There's still talent coming through, even though we haven't won a Connacht minor title in years (they lost to Leitrim by 6 points at weekend >:( ) Sounded like Aidan Campbell had a brilliant game, I'm surprised he didn't get a proper run during the league - based on that performance, he might get his chance in Omagh on Sunday.
With all due respect Sligo have as good underage coming through as ros, galway and mayo at present.
Not until they start winning All-Ireland's or at the very least Connacht titles they don't.
Since 2002 Galway have won two U-21 All-Ireland's and one minor AI.
Mayo have won one U-21 AI and Roscommon one minor AI.
In the same period Mayo have won four (now five) Connacht U-21 titles. Galway have won two.
And Galway have won five Connacht minor titles and Roscommon won one.
Unfortunately there are no prizes for running teams close. Of course that could all change this year.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 10, 2008, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 10, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
It sounded like Mayo were fairly comfortable in the first half but the Rossies came storming into it as the second half wore on.
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads. They had a penalty and Donie Shine blazed it over the bar. They had another 1 on 1 and the forward (can't remember who it was) sent that over too. Then Cathal Cregg hit the crossbar with the final kick of the game.
Still, Rossies can take a lot of encouragement that they have good young players coming through and the recent disastrous results for the seniors shouldn't be something they have to get used to.
Connacht needs a 3rd strong county, so I hope Roscommon can put it up to Mayo and Galway on a consistent basis (apologies Sligo & Leitrim, but Roscommon have better talent coming through!)
From a Mayo point of view, great to win 3 Connacht U-21 titles in a row. There's still talent coming through, even though we haven't won a Connacht minor title in years (they lost to Leitrim by 6 points at weekend >:( ) Sounded like Aidan Campbell had a brilliant game, I'm surprised he didn't get a proper run during the league - based on that performance, he might get his chance in Omagh on Sunday.
With all due respect Sligo have as good underage coming through as ros, galway and mayo at present.
Not until they start winning All-Ireland's or at the very least Connacht titles they don't.
Since 2002 Galway have won two U-21 All-Ireland's and one minor AI.
Mayo have won one U-21 AI and Roscommon one minor AI.
In the same period Mayo have won four (now five) Connacht U-21 titles. Galway have won two.
And Galway have won five Connacht minor titles and Roscommon won one.
Unfortunately there are no prizes for running teams close. Of course that could all change this year.
Last yr we won the senior Connaght championship, now let put this in perspective, we havnt won an underage title since 1968 believe it or not and Galway have 2 u21 all ireland winning teams and Mayo something similiar in the last 5 yrs. That tells me maybe yer not that good at bringing on underage to senior and that is defo the case in Mayo. With all yee won at underage we shouldnt have a chance at senior. But all we have to be is competitive at underage and we are, once we are most of our players improve drastically between 22 to 25 where as id say in mayo galway they seem to lose alot of talent or players get worse. So we mightn win at all but as long as we are competitive it bolds well for our seniors thats my point.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 10, 2008, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 10, 2008, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 10, 2008, 01:08:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:07:34 AM
It sounded like Mayo were fairly comfortable in the first half but the Rossies came storming into it as the second half wore on.
Even listening to the commentary, you'd have to feel something for the Roscommon lads. They had a penalty and Donie Shine blazed it over the bar. They had another 1 on 1 and the forward (can't remember who it was) sent that over too. Then Cathal Cregg hit the crossbar with the final kick of the game.
Still, Rossies can take a lot of encouragement that they have good young players coming through and the recent disastrous results for the seniors shouldn't be something they have to get used to.
Connacht needs a 3rd strong county, so I hope Roscommon can put it up to Mayo and Galway on a consistent basis (apologies Sligo & Leitrim, but Roscommon have better talent coming through!)
From a Mayo point of view, great to win 3 Connacht U-21 titles in a row. There's still talent coming through, even though we haven't won a Connacht minor title in years (they lost to Leitrim by 6 points at weekend >:( ) Sounded like Aidan Campbell had a brilliant game, I'm surprised he didn't get a proper run during the league - based on that performance, he might get his chance in Omagh on Sunday.
With all due respect Sligo have as good underage coming through as ros, galway and mayo at present.
Not until they start winning All-Ireland's or at the very least Connacht titles they don't.
Since 2002 Galway have won two U-21 All-Ireland's and one minor AI.
Mayo have won one U-21 AI and Roscommon one minor AI.
In the same period Mayo have won four (now five) Connacht U-21 titles. Galway have won two.
And Galway have won five Connacht minor titles and Roscommon won one.
Unfortunately there are no prizes for running teams close. Of course that could all change this year.
Last yr we won the senior Connaght championship, now let put this in perspective, we havnt won an underage title since 1968 believe it or not and Galway have 2 u21 all ireland winning teams and Mayo something similiar in the last 5 yrs. That tells me maybe yer not that good at bringing on underage to senior and that is defo the case in Mayo. With all yee won at underage we shouldnt have a chance at senior. But all we have to be is competitive at underage and we are, once we are most of our players improve drastically between 22 to 25 where as id say in mayo galway they seem to lose alot of talent or players get worse. So we mightn win at all but as long as we are competitive it bolds well for our seniors thats my point.
Well if you want to be competitive you might have a point but there is a big difference between being competitive and winning titles.
Of course Sligo won Connacht senior last year but in a five team province where you can win the provincial title sometimes just by winning two games Sligo eventually had to get it right one year. I think the acid test for them is can they keep winning Connacht titles regularly or even win a couple every decade like Roscommon tend to do.
I think the more teams that can challenge any given year should raise the standards all round.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 10, 2008, 10:52:53 AM
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we could be meaner and more cynical on the field
By Jasus the amount of deliberate fouling ye're backs did any time Ros looked like getting in to threaten for a goal would suggest ye have masterd the mean and cynical bit.
A strict ref would have a fair few yellows and maybe double yellows issued.
Anyway the best team over the 60 minutes won. We barely got into it in the first half and while we fairly gave it everything in the second 6 points deficit was too much to make up against a stronger Mayo side with a better midfield.
Even so we had the chances to save the day in the last five minutes played.
I wonder had the fact that a dozen or so of our lads had been on the Commdts squad since October anything to do with the poor play in the first half?
QuoteBy Jasus the amount of deliberate fouling ye're backs did any time Ros looked like getting in to threaten for a goal would suggest ye have masterd the mean and cynical bit.
A strict ref would have a fair few yellows and maybe double yellows issued.
Anyway the best team over the 60 minutes won. We barely got into it in the first half and while we fairly gave it everything in the second 6 points deficit was too much to make up against a stronger Mayo side with a better midfield.
Even so we had the chances to save the day in the last five minutes played.
I wonder had the fact that a dozen or so of our lads had been on the Commdts squad since October anything to do with the poor play in the first half?
Mayo were definitely the more cynical in their fouling last night. Had to drag down a few raiding Rossies especially in the second half. Chris Barrett at no.5 was lucky to stay on as he fouled for the penalty and also dragged down his man on another occasion. It was a very good game of football with some excellent scoring from both sides and played in a good spirit. Ross could have taken it at the end or maybe levelled it anyway, happy to have got out of Kiltoom with the win.
Doubt if you can isolate the blame for the first half performance to Mr Maughan !
Quote from: dodo on April 10, 2008, 04:46:52 PM
Doubt if you can isolate the blame for the first half performance to Mr Maughan !
If he had left the U21s or 90% of them anyway to thier own devices I think it's common sense to suggest that the U21s would be better prepared and fresher etc.
Down havent a great Senior team at present but I'd be very surprised if they have 12 or 13 of their excellent U21s on the Senior panel.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 10, 2008, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: dodo on April 10, 2008, 04:46:52 PM
Doubt if you can isolate the blame for the first half performance to Mr Maughan !
If he had left the U21s or 90% of them anyway to thier own devices I think it's common sense to suggest that the U21s would be better prepared and fresher etc.
Down havent a great Senior team at present but I'd be very surprised if they have 12 or 13 of their excellent U21s on the Senior panel.
If these lads were not training with the seniors since october the chances are that they would not be playing much football. On this basis it could be argued that they were in better shape than would have otherwise been the case. :o
Not when they were training without a ball and racing around a dog track under the Commdt.
Anyway they were obliged to train FOUR times over Easter Weekend - Friday U21s,Saturday Seniors, Sunday U 21s and Monday despite promises to the contrary they were obliged to report for Senior training by the ex Manager.
Then the following weekend 4 of them had to play v Westmeath 24 hours after the U21 Championship game v Sligo.
and don't forget 3rd level football
Come on fellow Rossies, let's be fair about this.
Some of the Mayo lads are involved with their senior set up as well, and actually played a hard game last Sunday against Galway, whilst most of our U-21'S didn't play.
I believe Ros' poor first half performance cost them the game. But, as all of yesterday evening's team, with the exception of 3 i think, are eligible again next year, we might give it a better shot then. Unless of course, they scrap the u-21 grade as has been threatened.
The legacy of Maughan had no bearing on yesterday's result.
Fair play Shrewdness. If yesterday's game had gone to a replay I wouldn't be over confident of Mayo winning again.
Is Donie Shine still less than 100% fit ? Saw very little ball from open play and surely should have been brought into play more if fit. His freetaking was very good. He still has 2 years left at u21 I believe.
Of last nights team and subs who came on Higgins,Carty, Shine,McKeague and Paul Garvey have 2 more years at U21.
There are more than 3 who are now finished with U21 - Martin,Brady,the 2 midfielders, Cregg and Kenny . I'm not sure about Gaynor - I cant remember him being on or near the Minor panel in 2006 ( oh the memories ;D). That would mean 6/7 now gone out of U21.
I cant understand why Cathal McHugh and Niall Grehan both regulars with Co Champions Brigids werent considered good enough to be on the U21 team?
Donie certainly didnt look all that fit right enough. At one stage in the second half he seemed unable to bend to a low ball. I had heard earlier in the year he had a back strain - I wonder was it still at him.
Anyway it's over and done with for us for this year so like the team I'll now bow out. :'(
willie hegerty asked donie (senior) the day of the sligo game how was donie (j) back which he replied that his back was not his problem but his ankle, which he said was o k now..
Where is the pitch in Nenagh does anybody know?
From Loughrea take N65 to Portumna and Borrisokane. From Borrisokane, take N52 for Nenagh.
Go right at roundabout staying on N52 (Link Road). MacDonagh Park should be on the left after about 0.5 mile.
I've heard the two semis are to be played in Navan as a double header. Kerry v Mayo then Down v Kildare at 5. Anyone confirm?
From GAA.ie
Cadburys All Ireland U21 Football Championship
Semi-Final
Nenagh 3.30pm Ciarraí v Maigh Eo
Referee: Tomas Quigley, Baile Átha Cliath
Páirc Tailteann 5.00pm An Dún v Cill Dara
Referee: Pat McGovern, Gaillimh
Surely Ennis or Limerick would have been a more logical choice for Mayo V Kerry! Anyway both semis are live on TG4.
Mayo look to have a number of injuries with doubts about three of their defenders...Chris Barrett, Tom Cunniffe and James Burke.
Ah Nenagh is a grand pitch, and a nice set up. It's probably that bit closer to Mayo than Limerick or Ennis as well. Certainly more like half way for North Kerry-South Mayo.
Well I'll be getting the bus down from Dublin. Hope the lads do it and get to a final again. Stonewall, that's the entire half-back line you've mentioned there I think. Doesn't look too good if they are actually injured for Saturday. Who else plans to go?
Not all that confident about tomorrow, the U-21 have been a mixed bag this year.
The forward have put up impressive scores against Limerick (0-17 to 1-7), Cork (0-15 to 0-10) and Tipperary (0-15 to 2-7) but the defence has not looked great.
Killian Young is doing a good Sheamus Moynihan impression putting out fires all over the place. As one of the Mayo boys said whoever win midfield will take it.
I am surprised that Keiran Brennan only starts on the bench, though he played well when he came on in Ardfinnan.
The match is a replay of the minor All-Ireland of 2005 which Mayo won by a point 1-12 to 0-14 (Great game too if I recall correctly).
Lads, where is the pitch in Nenagh? Is it in the town, or I seem to have some recollection of it being out towards Domineer or somewhere, probably off the newish ring road?
Near Proctor and Gamble - not too far from the town - take the road out of the middle of the town up by the post office and then take a right. With all the traffic it will generate you won't be near getting lost! Plenty of parking at the pitch too
That looked like a very bad injury for the Kerry defender. I'd say he's destroyed the knee joint.
trying to watch it on tg4 on line but there seems to be a problem any one else suffering the same fate or is it just me :(
Things are looking very bad for Mayo even with the wind they seem to be under savage pressure.
TG4 grand as far as I can see.
21 minutes gone and a goal for Kerry.
Kerry 1.02
Mayo 0.2
christ they have another red headed number 13 that can slot away goals must have a fecking production line down there ;)
Kerry 1-2
Mayo 0-2
Kerry on top 24 mins gone.
Live TG4 and Radio Kerry
Kerry 1-3
Mayo 0-2
25mins gone :o
Quote from: Jinxy on April 19, 2008, 03:53:34 PM
TG4 grand as far as I can see.
21 minutes gone and a goal for Kerry.
Kerry 1.02
Mayo 0.2
are you watching it on the com put er Jinxy its just when your watching it in the web its going fast forward all the time
on Mid Whest now also.... Radio is about 1 minute behind TV THOUGH!
Half Time :
Kerry 1-3
Mayo 0-2
Need to get our act together in the 2nd Half or the game will be beyond us.
disastorus first half.beaten everywhere and hard to see where the scores are going to come from in the second half.cafferky doing well on walsh but the second half will be a big test as kerry will rain ball in on top of him playing with the wind.unless noel connelly can motivate them to produce a performance of a lifetime mayo have little chance in the second half.
To score only 2 points in 33 mins of football is very poor. Looks like we(Mayo) had the wind also. Both teams missed goal chances, 2 good saves. We need to score first now in 2nd half or else we are screwed!
Parsons with inspired point only the goal behind now!
Kerry reply with a point after ref failed to award obvious penalty to Mayo 4 in it again.
Kerry using the cynical tactics now to good effect. 5 up now after a professional foul failed to benefit Mayo.
Ref gives Kerry soft free -- score now 1-6 to 3pts in favour of the kingdom.
Hard to beat 16 men
cul Mayo
3 in it now
1-6 to 1-4 now.
If Holmes changes the half forward line we might win this
3 Kerry backs now on yellow cards all Mayo have to do now is run at Kerry and things will open up for them. The Kerry cynical tactics are backfiring. only a point in it now!
Level, but was it a point. Hats off to Mayo though I thought they were in for a bit of a hiding but they're showing some heart.
level--- 13 mins left ... Mayo all over Kerry , should win now ;)
level again-- great free by the Kingdom, Holmes afraid to make substitutions!
Kerry 1 up now FFS!!!
Good reply from Mayo, Kerry 1 up again though. Looks like one of Mayo's points was blatantly wide aswell.
Ref fair to both sides despite highorlow thinking otherwise ::)
INTO THE GOALIES HANDS ... GOOD MAN YOURSELF !!!!!!!!!!!
Why didn't parsons shoot himself
Mayo have missed a few good chances to level this Now Kerry 2 ahead
Though the goalie did save it... he has saved a goal and a point for Kerry MOTM IMO,,,, Kerry get another point we need a last min goal now!
Young got MOTM should have been Cunniffe. Mayo left it behind them - agree Parsons should have taken his point
Is Cunniffe the Mayo no 6, if so I agree he was good.
Anyhoo hard luck Mayo
Best team wan. It was a 3 point win despite the scoreboard... which is a fair reflection.
Same old story with Mayo.
1- too slow to wake up and realise the match has started.
2 - poor full back line
3 - too much individual showboating
4 - finding it too difficult to get scores, Kerry got the last few points off minimal posession. With mayo it was like trying to run a car on apple juice.
Depressing to loose to the Kingdom again.
I thought Kerry deserved it in the end. Was Tommy Walsh supposed to be playing midfield? The majority of the clean catching was being done by the smaller Mayo men. Don't think he is the O'Sé replacement some people think he is. I like the look of Moran though.
Just about made it .Kerry were well beaten in Mid field in the second half .Good free taking .Just about scraping through each match .Where was the defending for the Mayo goal ?
Intense first half for An Dún v Cill Dara.
Down deserve to be further ahead, but a very well taken goal by Kildare. Lots of very basic mistakes from both teams however with lots of unnecessary frees being given away.
Kildare well on top now but doing their best to kick it away.
Gary Whyte a deserving MoM.
Hard to see that this bunch of Down lads will end the senior famine. A number appear to have regresssed since minor level.
A fully deserved win for Kildare. Big, strong team with a few handy forwards. They need to calm down though as they kicked away some amount of possession in the 2nd half which kept Down in the game. On an unsavoury note, this craic of dropping a knee into a mans head/neck area when he is on the ground is despicable. After the Kildare centre back caught an unbelievable ball with a minute to go just outside his own square and landed heavily, the no. 5 for Down came straight in with the knee. Completely unnecessary.
I'd echo Jinxy - Kildare definitely deserving winners with their second half display. That dirty move by Down's #5 was a disgrace and should be punished - there's no place for that carry-on.
Quote from: highorlow on April 19, 2008, 04:53:58 PM
Best team wan. It was a 3 point win despite the scoreboard... which is a fair reflection.
Same old story with Mayo.
1- too slow to wake up and realise the match has started.
2 - poor full back line
3 - too much individual showboating
4 - finding it too difficult to get scores, Kerry got the last few points off minimal posession. With mayo it was like trying to run a car on apple juice.
Depressing to loose to the Kingdom again.
Thought Cafferkey did well at full back apart from the goal. With Kevin McLoughlin in the fb line in second half they looked secure enough. Barrett not as effective as usual but he was doubtful with injury. Cunniffe and Burke were very good.
Parsons O Shea and the 2 Sweeneys can also be pleased with their game. The important thing is that several of these lads have what it takes to be senior men even though most are backs and midfield. The loss of Hanley hurt us today bigtime.
Answers have to be asked of management re Campbell. Word is he was fit but dropped for disciplinary reasons. Without him our forwards were clueless in the first half. If he was dropped why change their mind after 20 mins? Diid they think could do it without him? They should have started him or stuck to their guns on the decision to drop him.
Also how did it take Management 2 1/2 championship matches and God knows how many challenges to realise what everybody who attends matches in the county knows and that is that Kevin McLoughlin was the best corner back available to them? This in a county that is supposed to be crying out for corner backs that can play there. They got away with some dodgy selections last few years but its a bit of a joke really. Not sure they deserve this fine group of players.
Mayo like Ros in the Connacht Final only played in the second half. When they ran at the Kerry defence they had them in trouble but you have to compete for 60 minutes.
Kildare certainly upset the apple cart in Navan. However they made heavy enough weather of it.
Hopefully they can take the crown but Kerry in a Final and all that....
Still Dinny remember our minors in 2006. :D
I see the Ref didnt improve since the Connacht Final ::)(rushing to Carrick to see the 08 version now)
He booked the Kildare Goalie but did nothing about the Down no 5 !!
Fair play to Kidare , deserved their win no doubt . Physically bigger and stronger than Down and this showed in the second half . Should give the Kerry boys a right good game . Hope they go on and win it now .
Needless to say sick as a parrot :(
Happy days, first All-Ireland in 10 years to look forward to.. ;D
Delighted for young Mark Waters, he's a smashing fella and had a great game today. Chalkie White was superb, best centre-half back I have seen at this grade since Byran Cullen. Wouldn't be Kildare if we didn't try our best to lose the game and up to the last 10 minutes I thought our full forward line was excellent.
Great fillip for the County to be in All-Ireland, bring on the Kingdom, just glad it's not Galway, assuming the final will be in Thurles...
QuoteI'd go for Kildare v Kerry and memories of 98 to flood back for Glenn Ryan!
Great prediction from LaoisGAA, would you like to forecast the winner...
PS I hate Navan.... >:(
QuoteLITTLE more than a minute has elapsed in the Leinster final when Gary White wins possession and bursts forward.
One of Kildare's chief scoring threats, Wexford's Seán O'Neill, senses an opportunity to lay down a marker on the Lilywhite captain, who whether he knew it or not, had been struggling with a shoulder injury in the build-up to the game.
O'Neill eyes up his man and times his tackle perfectly. Bang! He hits White with everything he's got.
It's a shuddering, bone-crunching challenge, one of those that you can feel in the stand. It's no surprise when the man hits the dirt, broken, dry-retching, gulping desperately for air.
It is the Wexford man who is in need of first, second and third aid though. He doubles over on his hands and knees but the guttural roar of the Kildare support acclaiming a hero will have told him that he has had about as much an impact on 2nd Lieutenant Gary White as Derby have had on the English Premiership.
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IT'S mid-way through the second half and Wexford midfielder David Farrell has possession close to the stand sideline. White confronts him in the all-or-nothing style that epitomises everything he has ever done. The challenge is a little high and earns him a yellow card.
Although Farrell hops off the turf immediately, those who have been waiting for the chance to shake their heads knowingly do so with relish, pleased to believe that they have had their point proven once again.
"Good player but has a nasty streak" is the assertion.
When did it start? We're not sure but there had never been any talk of this supposed mean streak as a minor.
And then he had his nose broken in an off-the-ball incident during a league game in Geraldine Park between his club Sarsfields and Athy.
Although he spent a night in hospital, the vibe doing the rounds on sidelines and forums was that Gary White had it coming.
Just imagine what that was like. His mother Helen was very shook up by it. Dad Seán - the original Chalky - was raging. Gary himself was surprised and hurt.
He shouldn't have been of course. Apart from being a victim of the most Irish of traits - the obsession with chopping people down to size - he is a Sarsfields man and proud of it.
The self-assurance that comes with the type of concerted success Sarsfields have had over the years doesn't go down well with others. It is thus with any club sitting atop a roll of honour in any county.
So while young Chalky has always been a Great, ah, White Hope for Kildare football, his roots have made it just that little easier for the critics to stick the knife in, because Sarsfields are one arrogant shower.
"It's hard to block it out," he says of the jibes. "Of course I'm aware that I pick up too many yellow cards and I am trying to improve that. I suppose I am eager to win and I get a bit hot-headed but I really do want to win.
"Glenn Ryan had a long career with Kildare. He was a very intimidating man. The likes of Brian Lacey was the same. They had a small bit of aggression in them."
Another factor to consider is that he played his first game as a defender in the 2005 county final replay against St Laurence's. In other words, he is a defender just over two years.
There have been late challenges, and some incidents he regrets, but he reckons his reputation is "a bit overplayed". What's more, he's convinced that he is improving, having learned a lot about how to tackle from senior boss Kieran McGeeney this year. Because before that, he didn't know how to. Tackling doesn't figure prominently in the manual of a forward, or even an attack-minded midfielder.
Significantly, neither Ryan, who is now his U21 manager, nor McGeeney have made any suggestions that the 6'2" 13 stone tyro should tone things down. On the contrary, they have commended his aggression; he just needs to be a bit cuter about his deployment of it.
And that's the point here. Gary White is just 21. Roy Keane didn't learn to calm down until he was about 29 and that volcano never truly burned out. In the end, he did alright for himself.
Closer to home, no-one will ever forget Ryan bullying Westmeath players and the referee into submission in the 2004 Leinster championship. That was hunger and desire at its most primal. Some people said the Round Towers legend was right on the edge that day. In truth he careered right over the precipice and it was the reason a 14-man Kildare won.
White possesses a similar determination that has been evident from the first time he laced a pair of boots and trotted down to Sarsfields. He has done everything he can to maximise his potential, apart perhaps from giving up his beloved fast food. Maybe Ryan and McGeeney see a younger version of themselves when they look at him.
For just like them, within White's soul is a fire that will not be quenched.
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WANT to know where that fire comes from? What makes him push himself to the limit and beyond? Just walk into his kitchen most days and you'll find the answer in the form of his grandfather.
Paddy 'Boiler' White was named at centre-forward on Kildare's Team of the Millennium and won a Leinster title with the All-Whites back in 1956.
All the stories Gary heard when growing up though recounted Boiler's heroic deeds in a Sarsfields jersey, especially from 1950-1952, when the Sash chiselled out a famous county championship three-in-a-row. These are his motivation.
"My granddad is the main thing. There's been a lot of talk since I was small, with people saying if I was half as good as he was I'd be okay and I did want to live up to that name."
There is a long way to go but right now, Boiler is a very proud man.
Next Saturday, Kildare play a star-studded Down in the Cadbury's All-Ireland U21 football semi-final.
White has had a lot to contend with this season, having also established himself as a regular with the seniors while attending DIT, where he is studying logistics and supply chain management. As well as that he is an officer of the Irish Army.
He has taken it all in his stride and is revelling in the captaincy of the U21s, having walked off with three man-of-the-match awards out of the four Leinster games. He is quick to point to the contributions of his team-mates though, while his admiration for the head honcho is very evident.
"Glenn has been through it all. I knew he was going to be a good manager. Everybody was wondering if he would introduce a Micko-style training, running us into the ground, but he's very modern. He brought in Jim (Maguire) who is excellent.
"The first few trials and training sessions, everyone was eager to impress because of Glenn, who he is, and his standing in the county."
White reveals Ryan's emphasis on creating a family atmosphere in the dressing room. A weekend away in Meath enabled players to get to know one another, as well as the management. A Christmas party in Kavanagh's of Naas that ended in Time nightclub was also important.
"He's serious when it comes to football but he doesn't want fellas going around with serious faces all the time. There's even a bit of craic before games. He wants us to be relaxed and reckons we play our best when we're relaxed."
They will need to be at their best to account for Down, who won the minor All-Ireland three years ago and look to have trained on, despite losing the services of the supremely gifted Martin Clarke to the AFL. But Kildare have not reached the summit of their ambitions yet.
"At the start we were kinda' like, 'it would be nice to win a Leinster'. But Glenn kept harping on about having an All-Ireland medal. We were happy to win Leinster but it was back to work pretty quickly as this has been the main goal all year.
"Kildare have won a few Leinsters now so we want to separate ourselves from the group and we also want to help push Kildare onto the next level. Everyone is fully confident now of winning an All-Ireland."
As ever The Driven Man will be leading the way. There will be collisions and his team-mates will love it, taking their cue from the on-field leader.
2nd Lieutenant Gary White won't shy away from his responsibilities and nor will he back down from any challenge.
And if you don't like that, go follow tiddlywinks.
QuoteQuoteI'd go for Kildare v Kerry and memories of 98 to flood back for Glenn Ryan!
Great prediction from LaoisGAA, would you like to forecast the winner...
If only I'd a wager on that........ Was in Navan today and I have to say I wouldn't be too heartened by how Kildare didn't score for a 19 minute spell in the opening half and luckily for them Down left their shooting boots at home for large parts of this game also, five wides in each half.
Kerry have a strong defence akin with a speedy attack and this will be a mainstay of their play in the final, likewise Kildare - I expect this game to go down to the wire - Kerry to shade it but after a battle hardened Kildare performance. Won't be much between them.
I think Kildare will win a lot of ball around the middle against Kerry. Mayo dominated possession there in the 2nd half today. I'd call it 50/50 to be honest. Kildare will need to use the ball a lot better though. Too many aimless kicks out of defence today which went straight to an opposition player.
Well gutted about Down result, usual story of poor defending, but congrats to Kildare, they are a good side and have the potential to go on and win it, hope they do
bitterly disapointed with todays loss as the game was there to be won in the end tho at half time i could not see us coming back into the game.we had a tremendous 2ind half with men standing up to be counted all over the field.to me the turnover by chris barrett, when after winning possession he handled the ball on the ground, was huge as we had just taken the lead and we were about to launch another attack.kerry scored from the free to equilize andthe momentum swung back to kerry momentarily.i think the main differnce was that kerry had more natural forwards than mayo and found scoring easier.at the end of the day we lost the game and even with the great second half fight back it is still a bitter pill to swallow.on one last note i think ger cafferky will be full back when mayo play sligo in the connaught semi final in a few weeks time as he is a natural fullback and played well today.finally i think kildare will win the final and i was impressed with their second half display today.
Well said moysider, management have a lot of questions to answer for Campbell's non-starting. Also, in the first half Mayo had a strong breeze, the players I thought would stnd up and be counted (Parsons and O'Shea and Cunniffe to an extent) were poor. Then against the breeze they all did well. I thought the play was overly condensed in the Mayo half in the first half, the distribution to the inside forwards very poor in the first half and improved, like everything in the second half. Ref didn't do Mayo any favours either. All in all another case of leaving it behind us. Suppose you don't deserve to win games scoring 0-2 with a strong breeze behind you and Campbell and McLoughlin sitting on the bench for the early part of the game.
The ultimate game of two halvef I would say.
First the criticism of Nenagh, no stretcher or ambulance at an All-Ireland U-21 semi-final is a disgrace, Players are entitled to better medical back up than that. Best of luck to Eoin in his recovery.
Second, the crowd was very small for a semi-final, 3:30 on Saturday is not a good day for a game, play in the evening or on a sunday.
Third, that was the coldest I have ever gotten at a game, my hands were still not warm when I got out of the car in Kerry.
The game itself was good, I though it was all over when we went 6 up early in the second half but credit to Mayo they played the better football from when they got the goal, their No.9 was mignificant, my MOTH, followed by the two number 6's.
Overall, I felt the better side did win and I think Kerry will benefit from yesterdays match. Two massive scores from Tommy Walsh and David moran to win the game.
Tommy played full forward for about 50 minutes yesterday but turned the game when he came out in the last ten.
Just got to see a video of the game last night.
Disappointing to win but I think Kerry had that bit more class. Our lack of potency up front was crucial.
Promising to see Cafferkey put in a solid game. He is probably the best chance of a decent number 3 for us.
Cunniffe, Parsons, and O'Shea all stood up which was promising.
We may have shot ourselves in the foot by dropping Campbell but whatever the reasons for disciplinary action you have to stand by the management. The lad has potential and a long-term view needs to be taken to things like attitude etc.
Holmes and Connelly may step down now. They have done a great job over the last 3 years and I think the fact that players like Higgins, Howley, Barrett, Cunniffe, Moran, O'Shea, Parsons, Campbell, and Kilcoyne have all been integrated into the senior set-up is a good reflection on their work and should assist us in a shortened transation from the boys of the late 90s to the present set-up. Whenever JOM steps down we are likely to see Connelly step in.
Good points there Barney.
My one sore point is that Campbell should have started, no questions asked as he will be overage for the next run.
The game is one Mayo should have one,Campbell is a good player and made a big difference in this and the last game, i think management will rue leaving him out for many days to come.
I was up there myself, and a few random thoughts.
1st As superdooper says, it is an absolute disgrace that a lad can do his knee badly in an All Ireland semi final, and have no ambulance people, or even a stretcher, available to cart him off. It looked like Junior B organisation.
2nd, Mayo looked far more comfortable against the wind than with it. When they tried to 'use' the wind by kicking the ball out of defence, the Kerry half back line, especially Killian Young with his brilliant reading of the game, just ate them alive. At half time at 1-3 to 0-2 I thought Kerry would kick on and win by 10 points. Mayo were much more assured carrying the ball into the wind though, and playing the possession game, and they worried Kerry at that stage.
3rd. That Parsons lad in midfield was very good, as was the centre back, especially in the second half when they started to assert themselves after Kerry went 6 points up. Parsons caught great ball, scored a nice point, and really took the fight to Kerry.
4th. I was disappointed with David Moran and Tommy Walsh. they came good when it mattered most, but I thought they were fairly pedestrian until the last 5 minutes. Maybe they were symptomatic of Kerry as a whole, in that it took Mayo going ahead to make them realise they could lose a game they seemed to be coasting in the first half. I thought Tommy Walsh was very casual, letting balls fall, losing possession and not really working hard inside on the edge of the square. Having said that he did lay off the ball for the goal perfectly, and he scored a couple of lovely points, especially the clincher at the end.
5th. I thought the Kerry management made a mistake when they switched Walsh to midfield. That switch itself was fine, and it needed to be done as the Kerry lads were getting overrun, but they didn't put anyone else in full forward, apart from #13 briefly. They left a two man full forward line, and a very congested midfield. It almost cost them, because Mayo were able to swarm around midfield and won nearly any break that was going.
That's just a few random brain dumps. I thought it was a decent game overall, far from a cracker, and I thought Mayo showed great spirit to rally into the wind, although as I say I got the impression they were more comfortable playing possession football anyway. In the end, though, I thought Kerry just got scores at important times a little easier, and were just about worthy of the win.
Why is everyone questioning the Mayo management's decision to drop Campbell and no one wonder what the fcuk a lad was doing on the beer in the week running up to an All-Ireland semi-final? The lad shot himself in the foot and left the management in a very awkward position.
I agree it was nonsense that Kevin McLoughlin didn't start but by and large the management have got an awful lot out of teams in the last three years. The All-Ireland winning team of '06 was very average - so much of that success was down to management (Connelly in particular I think) and two Connacht titles since is a great return. Think we'll see these two in charge of the seniors yet. Worried about Holmes in that regard but Connelly has what it takes
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 21, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Why is everyone questioning the Mayo management's decision to drop Campbell and no one wonder what the fcuk a lad was doing on the beer in the week running up to an All-Ireland semi-final? The lad shot himself in the foot and left the management in a very awkward position.
I'd agree fully with that, Campbell should be questioned not the management. If all the other lads were prepared to stay disciplined for one of the biggest games of their lives then so should he. They had to drop him or else he would think letting his team-mates down was acceptable behaviour. You could tell he wasn't right even when he came on, he went from top scorer against Ross to not scoring or indeed contributing an awful lot in any way. In a game we lost by 2 points and were without our best forward, he is the one that should be losing sleep, not the management. I think they have done a brillant job considering the relative drought at minor level and to deliver an All-Ireland and 3 Connachts in a row is a decent return. I hope they stay on and keep the conveyor belt ticking over, they have helped nurture some fine footballers and thankfully there are some big lads on the way. Parsons and O'Shea were very impressive as was Cafferkey. For all the plaudits Tommy Walsh got, Cafferkey did a great job on him all things considered and should be considered for full-back sooner rather than later. Walsh then had to go out to midfield where he couldn't get near Parsons or O'Shea who in fairness are 2 big men aswell so there is no shame in coming second best to either of them. Cunniffe had a fine game aswell and I think Padraic O'Connor looks a decent prospect if he bulks up a little.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 21, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Why is everyone questioning the Mayo management's decision to drop Campbell and no one wonder what the fcuk a lad was doing on the beer in the week running up to an All-Ireland semi-final? The lad shot himself in the foot and left the management in a very awkward position.
I agree it was nonsense that Kevin McLoughlin didn't start but by and large the management have got an awful lot out of teams in the last three years. The All-Ireland winning team of '06 was very average - so much of that success was down to management (Connelly in particular I think) and two Connacht titles since is a great return. Think we'll see these two in charge of the seniors yet. Worried about Holmes in that regard but Connelly has what it takes
I agree that management had the right to drop Campbell but when they took that decision they should have had the courage to stick with the decision. They must have realised that dropping him was ruining their chances of winning in the first place.
Secondly I also believe that this group of players underachieved. Their quality is reflected in the number who have already shown they are up for senior level. Questions could be asked of former minor managers why they failed to reach their undoubted potential at that level. How often do Mayo or anybody else have a midfield like Parsons and O Shea. I for one would not like to see Holmes anywhere near a Mayo team again. Connelly may have something to offer but there s more to management than motivation.
While I understand the roving role thay Ciaran Sweeney played it could have been done from the wing. Again we had a Mayo team playing with a gale and no targetman inside just a couple of light lads easily brushed aside. If Joson Doherty was deemed good enough for this level why not the younger O Shea who would have added some presence as a target man. As far as I know this was not even investigated by management. I dont believe the talent within the county was anywhwere exhausted. It took them so long to play Kevin McLoughlin. Ian Clarke was nt even looked at - a lad with much much more to offer than his fellow clubman and a very good targetman.
You are being a bit harsh on the Management. I am no fan of Holmes - think he took Mayo back greatly when he was manager, however youd have to say he has been the only man to bring ANY silverwear to Mayo in the last 20 years (League & U21). But I think he had has his stint at senior and that should be it. Maybe he is more suited to the underage.
Dissapointed as I am for the loss the last day when the game was there for the taking, I think this squad of players over-achieved a little. Only a month or so ago I was down in Castlebar to see them playing Leitrim and I honestly left that match feeling I had witnessed the worst demonstration of basic football skills ever from Mayo. To have taken them then close to an AI final from that, you must give some credit to mgmt. Yes there are some good prospects in defence and midfeild, but ets be honest, we have no forwards coming through at all, and thats what ultimately cost us the last day - only 2 of the starting forwards scored. Unfortunately management can only use what is available and remember Hanley, Boyle brothers and Kilcullen all were not available from the minor team equivelant (who were hammered by Down in the final). Not fair to say that they could have used O'sheas brother - I understand he is only minor
Quote from: Maradona on April 21, 2008, 03:37:49 PM
You are being a bit harsh on the Management. I am no fan of Holmes - think he took Mayo back greatly when he was manager, however youd have to say he has been the only man to bring ANY silverwear to Mayo in the last 20 years (League & U21). But I think he had has his stint at senior and that should be it. Maybe he is more suited to the underage.
Dissapointed as I am for the loss the last day when the game was there for the taking, I think this squad of players over-achieved a little. Only a month or so ago I was down in Castlebar to see them playing Leitrim and I honestly left that match feeling I had witnessed the worst demonstration of basic football skills ever from Mayo. To have taken them then close to an AI final from that, you must give some credit to mgmt. Yes there are some good prospects in defence and midfeild, but ets be honest, we have no forwards coming through at all, and thats what ultimately cost us the last day - only 2 of the starting forwards scored. Unfortunately management can only use what is available and remember Hanley, Boyle brothers and Kilcullen all were not available from the minor team equivelant (who were hammered by Down in the final). Not fair to say that they could have used O'sheas brother - I understand he is only minor
Doherty only a minor also. We might lack forwards but there was some serious talent in backs and midfield. Campbell is a very good forward. I too was at the Leitrim game and yes they stank the place out but there was never a doubt about the exceptional individual ability of at least 7 players which is a good foundation for any team. Their no show against Down in AI final can only be explained by the management at that time. They did nt play. I would fancy them to reverse that result now. Of course we ll give the u21 management some credit but as regards Holmes and silverware - well if your lucky enough to manage a good team there is always the possibility they will win something.
Kerry v Kildare - U21 All Ireland Final - Semple Stadium - Saturday May 3rd - 7pm.
Doherty only a minor also. We might lack forwards but there was some serious talent in backs and midfield. Campbell is a very good forward. I too was at the Leitrim game and yes they stank the place out but there was never a doubt about the exceptional individual ability of at least 7 players which is a good foundation for any team. Their no show against Down in AI final can only be explained by the management at that time. They did nt play. I would fancy them to reverse that result now. Of course we ll give the u21 management some credit but as regards Holmes and silverware - well if your lucky enough to manage a good team there is always the possibility they will win something.
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Doherty isn't minor, he was underage last year but not this year. Agree there are some exceptional players on that team but Campbell is the only one in the forward line. Two excellent midfielders, Chris Barrett, Tom Cunniffe and possibly Ger Cafferkey and Donal Vaughan in defence. But it says all you need to know about the lack of attacking options when you see some of the players that got runs in attack. I don't think it would be fair to name but having seen them with their clubs you'd worry about the conveyor belt. Also the fact, as Maradona says, that D Kilcullen, Hanley and the O'Boyle brothers are gone from the attacking six of the minors of '05 is fairly cripling.
Against Down in '05 Mayo were outclassed all over the pitch, pure and simple. I really think they overreached themselves getting that far that year, producing their best game of the year in the quarter-final against Armagh and somehow sneaking past Kerry in the semi-final. Don't rate Holmes highly either (and I don't think he should be back in the senior set-up) but himself and Connelly have a good working relationship and have really done wonders with the Under 21's. Anyone that remembers 2006 will remember that they beat Tyrone (semi) and Cork (final) not because they were the better team (Tyrone played them off the park for large parts of the game) but because they played with a savage intensity and never gave up. Management has to take a fair amount of credit for that I think.
QuoteKerry v Kildare - U21 All Ireland Final - Semple Stadium - Saturday May 3rd - 7pm.
Jaysus could they not play it on a Sunday?
Handy venue from a Kildare perspective, less than an hour from South Kildare, reckon we'll bring down between 10 - 15K with us, KM will the Kerry support travel?
Not a happy memories venue as Kerry ripped us apart there in the qualifiers in 2003, Eoin Brosnan scored one of the best goals I've ever seen that day..
Quotethat D Kilcullen, Hanley and the O'Boyle brothers are gone from the attacking six of the minors of '05 is fairly cripling
Kilcullen and Hanely would have been major additions to this team and probably would have swung the balance our way. The Kilcullen issue has to be addressed. He is a fine footballer who was given his senior wings last year. Maybe a year out will do him good but he should not be lost to the county set-up long-term.
As for the other two they were as effective as the Chuckle Brothers.
A Saturday final says all that needs to be said about the GAA's attitude to this competition. Play it and get it out of the way. Every year despite the obstacles put in its way there are fine games and future stars on show. There are no fixtures down for that Sunday. The game should have got the platform it deserved.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 22, 2008, 05:02:44 AM
Doherty only a minor also. We might lack forwards but there was some serious talent in backs and midfield. Campbell is a very good forward. I too was at the Leitrim game and yes they stank the place out but there was never a doubt about the exceptional individual ability of at least 7 players which is a good foundation for any team. Their no show against Down in AI final can only be explained by the management at that time. They did nt play. I would fancy them to reverse that result now. Of course we ll give the u21 management some credit but as regards Holmes and silverware - well if your lucky enough to manage a good team there is always the possibility they will win something.
Doherty isn't minor, he was underage last year but not this year. Agree there are some exceptional players on that team but Campbell is the only one in the forward line. Two excellent midfielders, Chris Barrett, Tom Cunniffe and possibly Ger Cafferkey and Donal Vaughan in defence. But it says all you need to know about the lack of attacking options when you see some of the players that got runs in attack. I don't think it would be fair to name but having seen them with their clubs you'd worry about the conveyor belt. Also the fact, as Maradona says, that D Kilcullen, Hanley and the O'Boyle brothers are gone from the attacking six of the minors of '05 is fairly cripling.
Against Down in '05 Mayo were outclassed all over the pitch, pure and simple. I really think they overreached themselves getting that far that year, producing their best game of the year in the quarter-final against Armagh and somehow sneaking past Kerry in the semi-final. Don't rate Holmes highly either (and I don't think he should be back in the senior set-up) but himself and Connelly have a good working relationship and have really done wonders with the Under 21's. Anyone that remembers 2006 will remember that they beat Tyrone (semi) and Cork (final) not because they were the better team (Tyrone played them off the park for large parts of the game) but because they played with a savage intensity and never gave up. Management has to take a fair amount of credit for that I think.
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1. The O Boyle brothers were never going to be around long term and doubtful if they would improve matters.
2 James Burke was a huge addition. Only played in final in 05 and then out of position.
3. Got to the Minor final in '05 on merit. Attended both Armagh and Kerry matches and were good enough value for our wins. Choked in final and made Down look good on the day rather than being outclassed. 6 months later 6 of them started and beat Cork in u21 all Ireland final. More than those Down lads achieved since.
4. Against Tyrone and Cork in 06 I thought over the course of the games we were the best team. We blew Tyrone away early and they rallied. One of the reasons they came back into it was we had a 2/3 weak half forward line and Tyrone got an advantage there.
We were the better team though.
5. County teams in Championship are always expected to play with a savage intensity and never give up - otherwise they should nt be there.
Senior All Ireland '96 Mayo dominated but Meath won. Did you ever hear a Meath man say they overachieved that year? Or should have been beat? Or were outclassed? Or any other underdog nonesense?
Our beloved County Secretary started coming out with this overachieving spin a few years ago for whatever reason. Dont think we hear that underdog nonsense in other counties.
We re a big football county with several strong clubs and lots of good players. We re seldom outclassed but we re often poorly prepared. We re usually much better than teams we beat and often better than teams than manage to beat us. As a rule we have in fact been underachieving at all levels.
Quote from: Barney on April 22, 2008, 08:45:15 AM
Quotethat D Kilcullen, Hanley and the O'Boyle brothers are gone from the attacking six of the minors of '05 is fairly cripling
Kilcullen and Hanely would have been major additions to this team and probably would have swung the balance our way. The Kilcullen issue has to be addressed. He is a fine footballer who was given his senior wings last year. Maybe a year out will do him good but he should not be lost to the county set-up long-term.
As for the other two they were as effective as the Chuckle Brothers.
The Kilcullen thing has to be looked at again. Not sure if he has what it takes to make it at centre-half back for Mayo but he certainly has something to offer. Think you're being a bit harsh on the O'Boyle's. Don't think Ger would have made this Under 21 team but Ronan certainly has more to offer than Thady Gavin or Brian Gallagher imho
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
2 James Burke was a huge addition. Only played in final in 05 and then out of position.
I agree. He only played in the final in '05 though because he dropped out of the panel for the Leaving Cert. You'd have to think that training with a senior club like Ballymun rather than a Junior like Ardnaree has brought him on a lot.
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
3. Got to the Minor final in '05 on merit. Attended both Armagh and Kerry matches and were good enough value for our wins. Choked in final and made Down look good on the day rather than being outclassed. 6 months later 6 of them started and beat Cork in u21 all Ireland final. More than those Down lads achieved since.
Very good value for the win against Armagh, savage performance. Were lucky to be in the game against Kerry at half-time. Good second half fightback but Kerry missed a penalty and a couple of late point chances. Their fault I know but think we rode our luck. Five lads started the final against Cork but their quality is not in doubt. They are the players most likely to succeed at senior level, its the players around them where we are not terribly strong.
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
4. Against Tyrone and Cork in 06 I thought over the course of the games we were the best team. We blew Tyrone away early and they rallied. One of the reasons they came back into it was we had a 2/3 weak half forward line and Tyrone got an advantage there.
We were the better team though.
Great start against Tyrone but when they got a run on us I only saw one winner. Was very surprised Mayo took that game in extra-time but shows the resolve the team had. They battled like wild animals late on.
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
5. County teams in Championship are always expected to play with a savage intensity and never give up - otherwise they should nt be there.
I agree but some are capable of playing at a higher intensity than others. Its all relative to the game you are in. Too often Mayo teams haven't played with a savage intensity - the Under 21 winning team of 2006 were relentless in their quest to win. They were under serious pressure against both Tyrone and Cork but stood up and were counted. We don't see that often with Mayo team (we should but that's another matter). That's very noteworthy I think and a serious reflection on management's abilty to drive the players on - Connelly in particular.
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
Senior All Ireland '96 Mayo dominated but Meath won. Did you ever hear a Meath man say they overachieved that year? Or should have been beat? Or were outclassed? Or any other underdog nonesense?
Yes I did, knew a few Meath people who still can't believe how Mayo didn't win. Its all about a balanced view, knowing when ya where the best team, knowing when ya left it behind ya, when ya were lucky and when ya were outclassed.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on April 23, 2008, 08:02:52 AM
Quote from: moysider on April 22, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
Our beloved County Secretary started coming out with this overachieving spin a few years ago for whatever reason. Dont think we hear that underdog nonsense in other counties.
We re a big football county with several strong clubs and lots of good players. We re seldom outclassed but we re often poorly prepared. We re usually much better than teams we beat and often better than teams than manage to beat us. As a rule we have in fact been underachieving at all levels.
I agree he shouldn't be coming out with negative talk. Think he was talkin about 2006 senior All-Ireland. We didn't overachieve to get to the final imo - we would have overachieved if we beat Kerry which was never a runner. Think we should be more concerned with setting up proper structures for developing underage - we are probably behind Galway, Roscommon and even Leitrim in taking positive steps in that regard (setting the wheels in motion for proper dev squads I mean).
I don't think there are too many examples though of teams that have beaten us who we have been much better than. Galway and Derry last year we were outclassed both days. Kerry in 2006, don't need to say much there. Galway and Kerry in 05 we played poorly against Galway (worst Conn final in a while) and Kerry won without moving out of third gear.
We have definitely underachieved at Minor - no Conn title since 2001 ffs is a joke. Six out of the last eight Under 21 Conn titles is fair going though.
Bottom line we probably left the Kerry game behind us last Saturday but the mess over Campbell can explain a lot about the first half. Don't think management can take too much of the blame imho. The defeat was brought about by circumstances outside of everyone's control, bar the lad himself.
I could still pick a few bones Sniper but I ll move on - except for one point! ;D
I dont believe we were outclasssed last year by either Galway or Derry. I think we can be grouped with those teams ability wise. The recent league games would support that view.We would be outclassed if we played Galway in hurling but hardly in football. Well beaten on both days last summer but venue and tactics were the deciding factors rather than any great gulf in class between the teams.
Our match - ups in defence v Galway allowed them to have a dream start and we lacked the necessary intensity to get back into it.
How many teams would fancy a trip to Celtic park for a qualifier? Even Kerry would be pushed to win there. We did nt do ourselves any favours by not having a plan for Paddy Bradley [ our attempt to deal with him was as hopeless as our attempt to deal with Donaghy the year before - at least we made a change there]. But it was hardly a class thing. Still believe we would have won if we had got home advantage.
QuoteWe re usually much better than teams we beat and often better than teams than manage to beat us.
I really think you should rephrase that as
"We re
sometimes much better than teams we beat and
sometimes better than teams than manage to beat us"
If you really meant it the way you originally phrased it then , frankly, you are delusional.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 23, 2008, 07:02:55 PM
QuoteWe re usually much better than teams we beat and often better than teams than manage to beat us.
I really think you should rephrase that as
"We re sometimes much better than teams we beat and sometimes better than teams than manage to beat us"
If you really meant it the way you originally phrased it then , frankly, you are delusional.
Yeah. I reckon you ve managed to nail the phrasing better than i did but you knew what I meant ;) Mind you i was talking about games during last 25 years and not the last 3 or 4.
Quote from: moysider on April 23, 2008, 04:59:16 PM
I could still pick a few bones Sniper but I ll move on - except for one point! ;D
I dont believe we were outclasssed last year by either Galway or Derry. I think we can be grouped with those teams ability wise. The recent league games would support that view.We would be outclassed if we played Galway in hurling but hardly in football. Well beaten on both days last summer but venue and tactics were the deciding factors rather than any great gulf in class between the teams.
Our match - ups in defence v Galway allowed them to have a dream start and we lacked the necessary intensity to get back into it.
How many teams would fancy a trip to Celtic park for a qualifier? Even Kerry would be pushed to win there. We did nt do ourselves any favours by not having a plan for Paddy Bradley [ our attempt to deal with him was as hopeless as our attempt to deal with Donaghy the year before - at least we made a change there]. But it was hardly a class thing. Still believe we would have won if we had got home advantage.
Ya ur right, we're not a level below them by any means. I should have said outplayed, not outclassed. My mistake ;D
I would stay with outclassed in some respects....lets face it we have never produced a forward in the class of Bradely or Joyce in my opinion and that has always and always be our downfall, scoring ability, esp when games need to be won. Bradely absolutely outclassed our fb line last year, no other word for it. We are so reliant on Mortimer at the moment it is not funny.
We have always had a problem with producing top class forwards, and the few we had close to that level, they were not always available for one reason or other. Was never a big fam of M Moran, but I'll give him one thing, he was the only one to to get a forward division including Mortimer, McDonald, O'Neill and Dillion in the same game!!
QuoteThe Central Competitions Control Committee has issued an eight-week ban to Down's Conor Garvey arising from an incident in last Saturday's All-Ireland under 21 football semi-final at Navan.
Video evidence was used by the CCCC to punish the Mourne County half back for an incident that left Kildare centre back and captain Gary Whyte nursing a sore neck. Garvey had already been issued with a yellow card by Galway referee Pat McGovern who consulted with the CCCC on the Whyte incident.
Good to see swift action taken, it was a dispicable act and 8 weeks is about right...
I'd forgotten about that incident what with all the Parnellgate hysteria. Glad to see the issue was dealt with. However, it's farcical that dropping your knee onto someones neck is met with the same penalty as a bit of pushing and shoving.
Where can you view any suspensions handed down by the CCCC?
Quote from: Maradona on April 24, 2008, 12:08:30 PM
I would stay with outclassed in some respects....lets face it we have never produced a forward in the class of Bradely or Joyce in my opinion and that has always and always be our downfall, scoring ability, esp when games need to be won. Bradely absolutely outclassed our fb line last year, no other word for it. We are so reliant on Mortimer at the moment it is not funny.
We have always had a problem with producing top class forwards, and the few we had close to that level, they were not always available for one reason or other. Was never a big fam of M Moran, but I'll give him one thing, he was the only one to to get a forward division including Mortimer, McDonald, O'Neill and Dillion in the same game!!
Bradley roasted his marker that day. He often does. Does nt mean the whole Mayo team was outclassed. Declan Browne used usually roast his man. So does Mattie Forde. Does it follow that Tipperary outclassed their opponents. Wexford are in division 3.
Joe Mcgrath was a top class forward. So were Seamas O Dowd, Joe Corcoran, Tom langan, Peter Solan, Mick Flanagan, Paddy Moclair and Gerald Courell. A few over the last 25 years were not bad either! Not being smart but having a good forward is largely a matter of good fortune as is any good footballer. No county ' produces' them. Down are going to find it difficult to produce a Blaney and Linden again in the same generation. Tyrone may well look back and wished they cloned Canavan, McGuigan and O Neill. The emergence of any good footballer anywhere is largely in the lap of the Gods. Its not that likes of the Gooch is discovered or groomed. They re naturals and it would take some idiot not to recognise what special talents they have.
You re right about M Moran.
Here's hoping for Kildare's 1st All-Ireland in 43 years, don't think even Kerry would begrudge us that.....
the winter it has passed
And the summer's come at last
The small birds are singing in the trees
And their little hearts are glad
Ah, but mine is very sad
Since my true love is far away from me
Chorus:
And straight I will repair
To the Curragh of Kildare
For it's there I'll finds tidings of my dear
The rose upon the briar
And the clouds that float so high
Bring joy to the linnet and the bee
And their little hearts are blessed
But mine can know no rest
Since my true love is far away from me
All you who are in love
Aye and cannot it remove
I pity the pain that you endure
For experience lets me know
That your hearts are filled with woe
It's a woe that no mortal can cure
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 02, 2008, 04:53:31 PM
Here's hoping for Kildare's 1st All-Ireland in 43 years, don't think even Kerry would begrudge us that.....
them kerry boys have no feelings at all Dinny cold as fecking ice :D any way good luck and hopefully ye will be celebrating
Best of luck to Kildare in the final, Hopefully that 43-year gap back to the old fella's comtemporaries will be bridged.
Good man Dinny. Did not know Robbie Burns was a GAA man!! With a bit of reworking it could be made into a good Kildare GAA song.
Kerry U21 team named.
1. Tomas Mac an tSaoir (An Ghaeltacht)
2. Colin O'Mahoney (Ballydonoghue) 3 Mike Moloney (Dr. Crokes) 4 Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5 Aidan O'Sullivan (Dromid Pearse) 6 Killian Young Captain (Renard) 7 Gavin Duffy (Kerins O'Rahillys)
8 David Moran (Kerins O'Rahillys) 9 Alan O'Sullivan (Tuosist)
10 Kieran O'Leary (Dr Crokes) 11 Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes) 12 Mike O'Donoghue (Spa)
13 Paddy Curran (Waterville) 14 Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahillys) 15 Paul O'Connor (Kenmare)
Fir Ionad :16. Gary Kissane (Kerins O'Rahillys) 17. Kieran Brennan (Castleisland Desmonds) 18. Brian Looney (Dr Crokes )19. Eamonn Hickson (Annascaul ) 20. Jamie Doolan (Dr Crokes ) 21. Eoin O'Neill (Renard) 22. Jimmy Falvey ( Fossa) 23. Gary Sayers ( Keel) 24. Ger McCarthy ( Listowel Emmets)
Trainer: Sean Geaney (Dingle) Selectors John Galvin (Waterville), Jerome Stack (Listowel Emmets)
QuoteHere's hoping for Kildare's 1st All-Ireland in 43 years, don't think even Kerry would begrudge us that.....
Them kerry boys have no feelings at all Dinny cold as fecking ice
Jaysus 43 years is a long time but its 10 years for us at U21 level and thats a biteen of a famine. And we owe ye for the seniors in 1998 as well. As for those Mayo wans I'm gone beyond feeling sorry for them ;)
Strong lineup by the Kingdom hopefully they will put in a performance to match and hopefully we will see another South Kerry man with the silver bucket. Am expecting a big game from the full forward line Walsh and Curran in particular.
Best of luck to both and may the best team win.
QuoteJoe Mcgrath was a top class forward. So were Seamas O Dowd, Joe Corcoran, Tom langan, Peter Solan, Mick Flanagan, Paddy Moclair and Gerald Courell. A few over the last 25 years were not bad either! Not being smart but having a good forward is largely a matter of good fortune as is any good footballer. No county ' produces' them. Down are going to find it difficult to produce a Blaney and Linden again in the same generation
I would agree that Mayo have not produced any truly memorable forward over the past 30 odd years - Joe Corcoran and McDonald were the best I saw. Lots of good sweet forwards who on a good day were entertainingbut no Joyce, Linden, Sheehy, Keaveney, etc Would not rate Joe McGrath or Seamus O'Dowd as "top class" and indeed JP Keane, Pauric Brogan, and McStay would fall in to the category of "goodbut not great". Maybe the style of football Mayo play does not lend to producing top quality individualistic forwards that can win their own ball and convert a high percentage of chances. Thats what Mattie Forde and Declan Browne could do though not playing on great teams.
Best of luck to the Kildare lads in this one. Remember if ye're good enough ye'll win it Kerry or no Kerry.
Let ye're inspiration be the Ros Minors who in 2006 did the unthinkable - bet Kerry in a replay no less. ;)
Looking forward to tomorrows match , Kildare looked a good side beating Down . I am not so confident of this Kerry team .Some good individuals but as a team have not been very consistent so far , Hopefully a decent crowd and a good match
A good win for the Kingdom. The talent conveyor belt looks good for another while.
Up the mighty Kingdom !
Yes the best team won - congrats to the Kingdom. I think the occassion may have got to Kildare. Lost their shape in the second half, made a lot of basic errors and had a goalie whose kick out and clearances put them under pressure throughout. Good perfomances from Moran and O'Leary, O'Donoghue took the two goal chances well and Killian Young after a shaky start was steady. Tommy Walshe made some great catches but as in the minor AI 2 years ago drfits out of the game for period. Paddy Curran had quiiet game and Paul O'Connor had some bad wides. DId not think game threw up any new talent on the "conveyor belt " that was not already known - good workmanlike performance against a team that lacked the experience of some of the Kerry players. Thought some of Kildare players lacked basic skills in soloing and passing and overall forwards were individualistic.
Tatler - you're doing the glass half empty speech. Fact is that Kerry's cup will be well full for a while with the likes of these lads coming through.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on May 03, 2008, 08:39:15 PM
Yes the best team won - congrats to the Kingdom. I think the occassion may have got to Kildare. Lost their shape in the second half, made a lot of basic errors and had a goalie whose kick out and clearances put them under pressure throughout. Good perfomances from Moran and O'Leary, O'Donoghue took the two goal chances well and Killian Young after a shaky start was steady. Tommy Walshe made some great catches but as in the minor AI 2 years ago drfits out of the game for period. Paddy Curran had quiiet game and Paul O'Connor had some bad wides. DId not think game threw up any new talent on the "conveyor belt " that was not already known - good workmanlike performance against a team that lacked the experience of some of the Kerry players. Thought some of Kildare players lacked basic skills in soloing and passing and overall forwards were individualistic.
Both were straight at the keeper who should have saved them. Kildare lacked guile up front. Big, fit lads are all well and good but the ball still has to go over the bar.
QuoteTatler - you're doing the glass half empty speech.
Not at all Frank just giving my appraisal of both teams - ye might need none of these lads at all ;D
Kerry seemed to be able to step up a gear when needed but would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Kildare taken either of their two goal chances.
Excellent well done to the Kingdom lads its great to win again at U21 level, have always felt success at this level is vital for progression to future senior wins. We made a lot of errors at times and it allowed Kildare back into the game a bit but our second goal was the killer score and it never looked like slipping away though the block on Smullen was vital too, he should have hit it with his left before getting bottled up on his right.
Our long range point kicking was good but we had alot of wides as did Kildare. We won our share of primary ball around the middle, thought Moran did well but his distribution is poor, Walsh made a few great catches and kicked a fine point, thought Paul O'Connor did really well up front and was involved well as was Kieran O'Leary. Well impressed with O'Donoghues two goals , the first was a powerful move through the middle.
Our last win 10 years ago produced many future senior stars and winners, in 1998 all of the highlighted players went on to AI senior success
1998: D. Moloney, M. McCarthy, T. O'Sullivan, K. Leen, J. Sheehan, T. O Se, M. Beckett, T. Griffin, E. Fitzmaurice, A. Mac Gearailt, P. O'Sullivan, L. Brosnan, M.F. Russell N. Kennelly, B. Scanlon. Subs: I. Twiss, M. Burke
Lets hope this bunch of 2008 now have the sniff of success and go on to greater things with the Kingdom. Many of this group have lost in minor finals and that little bit of pain at 18 has stood to them today.
Hard luck to Kildare they gave of their best, but just missed some vital points and should have goaled too.
Fair play Killian Young its a great honour for Renard in having a Kerry captain
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Kerry captain Killian Young raises the Cadbury's All-Ireland U21FC trophy after Kildare were beaten in the final at Thurles
Kerry Under 21's secured a 70th All-Ireland football title, across all grades for the Kingdom at Semple Stadium, Thurles tonight with goals from Mike O'Donoghue in each half the decisive scores against Kildare.
By Cóilín Duffy
Kerry 2-12
Kildare 0-11
Nothing could deny Sean Geaney's charges of their first Cadbury's Under 21 crown in a decade, following a power-packed second half, which saw Kerry firing on all cylinders.
With the inspirational Glenn Ryan as manager Kildare were certainly fired up for this clash and they led by 0-3 to 0-1 after eight minutes thanks to a brace of Eoin O'Flaherty points and a free from full-forward Alan Smith.
Following a fine catch at midfield by Alan O'Sullivan, Kerry burst up-field and with plenty of momentum behind him, full-forward Tommy Walsh slotted over a superb point between the posts.
Kerry were on fire at this stage and when Spa man O'Donoghue rounded Sean Murphy in the 14th minute he only had one thing on his mind - goal. He crashed the ball past Kildare goalkeeper Niall McConnell and ensured a lead Sean Geaney's charges wouldn't relinquish for the remainder of the hour.
Paul O'Connor, Paddy Curran and David Moran all tagged on excellent points as Kerry raced 1-5 to 0-3 clear by the 25th minute.
However Kildare finished the half strongly with three unanswered points from Mark Waters, Alan Smith and O'Flaherty to cut the gap to two points by the interval.
Both sets of players emerged fired up for the second half, but Kildare really were starting to play second fiddle and Kerry had three points on the board before Gavin Smullen sent over his side's first point of the second half in the 38th minute.
O'Connor with a brace and Moran with his second from play, got the Kingdom off the mark as they now looked like a team that were nicely set up for victory.
Smullen's score left four points between the sides but that was as good as it got for his side as O'Donoghue rifled home another goal which put daylight between the sides.
Kildare did try hard with the likes of substitutes John Fogarty, Joe Cocoman and Mark O'Sullivan getting very much in on the action, but with Kerry on fire there was no stopping the Kingdom who joined Cork on the top of the Roll of Honour with ten titles each.
After the game Kerry Captain Killian Young accepted the Clarke Cup from GAA President Elect Christy Cooney.
Kerry - T Mac an tSaoir; C O'Mahoney, M Moloney, S Enright; A O'Sullivan, K Young, G Duffy; D Moran (0-2), A O'Sullivan; K O'Leary (0-1, 1f), J Buckley (0-1), M O'Donoghue (2-0); P Curran (0-2), T Walsh (0-1), P O'Connor (0-5, 3f). Subs - K Brennan for Duffy (HT); E Hickson for O'Sullivan (53); B Looney for Buckley (57); J Doolan for Walsh (59); E O'Neill for Curran (61)
Kildare - N McConnell; C Brophy, D Brennan, S Murphy; J Browne, G White, T Byrne; M Waters (0-1), N Higgins; D Whyte, E O'Flaherty (0-4), K Kelly; S Fahey, A Smith (0-2, 2f), G Smullen (0-1). Subs - N Clinch for Brophy (25); J Fogarty for Kelly (35); J Cocoman for Whyte (42); M O'Sullivan (0-1) for Fahey (48).
Ref - Michael Duffy (Sligo)
Jaysus Kerry Mike ye had to stick up my report - I come back from Thurles log in here and it's the first thing I see!!!
Just read back there - I've predicted Kildare/Kerry final from early on and Kerry to win - pity I didn't have a few quid on it!
QuoteI expect this game to go down to the wire - Kerry to shade it but after a battle hardened Kildare performance. Won't be much between them.
I don't know if that exactly sums it up but Kildare did try hard - I have to say I did get some pleasure after the game saying to the Kildare journos - now ye know how Laois felt last year - same time, same day, same venue, same provinces, same channel.
There ya go the last two Leinster teams to reach an Under 21 final and where are we for next year's league - in Division 2. Dinny do you reckon yer lads reaching the final this year will have much long term benefit?
Finally as I mentioned in that report - a 70th All-Ireland Football title for Kerry - a great achievement - presume no one else can better it
Well done to the u-21 on producing a well overdue under age success.
Vindicated the stance to keep the u-21 out of the squad for the league final.
Was Behind the Kerry seniors in the stand who supported the u-21 all the way, a great send off for the week's training in Portugal.
David Moran had some second half, while Brennan also made a big impression. Tommy Walsh will see championship game time this summer.
O'Leary fully deserved his MOTM tag.
PS Official attendance of 7,157 seemed a little small, I certainly though many more were there.
Quotenow ye know how Laois felt last year - same time, same day, same venue, same provinces, same channel
Yes but Laois could feel robbed last year while Kildare never really looked like winning this one. Kildare will get a few players from this squad but none of the forwards look anything exceptional and the type of player that would solve Kildares scoring problems. Interestingly Cork have already lost 2 of the best players from last years winning team - Cadogan to hurling and Shields to Aussie Rules. Laois have also lost some to Ausssie Rules. Its amazing that the Aussie rules scouts have never hard that Kerry have some handy players ::)
Great win ,powerfull second half where kerry totally dominated mid field .This team has improved with every match . What will happen in the future nobody knows but I think been involved with the senior panel has helped some players especially Kieran o Leary .
Tatler every game has what ifs ,I thought that Kildare would have been closer to night but they seemed overawed by the occasion ,Their 2 wing forwards were taken off ,these were key players in their earlier matches
QuoteTatler every game has what ifs ,I thought that Kildare would have been closer to night but they seemed overawed by the occasion
Exactly what I said earlier
QuoteI think the occassion may have got to Kildare
Kerry were the better team especially around the midfoeld area. I know there are what ifs in every game - just think it might have been interesting iKildare took the goal chance with about 10 mins to go. Would it have given them confidence and inspired a real go at it in the last 10 minutes or would Kerry's overall better strength have prevailed. WIll never know - anyway best team won not ifs or buts.
would disagree with the assesments of the merits of the kerry side. at least 5/6 senior players on that team, could have won by an awful lot more. kildare still producing the big,fit athletic players, although their number 11 looked a classy forward, while their number 8 looked good too. but tommy walsh,paul oc onnor, kieran o leary,david moran, mike o donoghue will surely see senior time with kerry. kildare's peak was beating a very good down side, still getting to an all-ireland u21 final has to be encouraging for them.
I expected Kerry to win, but did not think it would be as comfotable a victory as it was. Maybe, Kildare did not play up to form, but Kerry had harder games against Tipperary (Munster Final) and Mayo (All Ireland Semi Final) and taking a line through Kerry you would say that both were better teams than Kildare and are at least as likely to produce a number of good Senior players. Kildare's win over Down was an excellent one, but a heavy defeat in the Final takes a lot of the gloss off that win. All in all, I think it was a very good Under 21 Championship.
As usual people as has become our want tend to eulogise winners and castigate losers.
Obviously very disappointed from a Kildare perspective but as cliched as it is goals win games. Those two goals, Kerrys dominance at midfiield (Moran was my motm) and Kerry's tactic of denying Kildare's half-back line any space, they were almost man-marked to a man were the winning of this game. However it has been great u/21 championship for Kildare, disappointed that the occasion got to these young men, we must have gifted Kerry half their points through poor distribution and basic errors but overall they will learn from this and I can see big futures for Smullen, Smyth, White and Brown and I think those four will feature in the championship this summer for Kildare.
Also a 7pm Saturday throw-in on a bank-holiday was reflected in the attendance, 7,500, of which I'd say 7, 000 were from Kildare, another 400 were there for the ladies football and a generous 100 were from Kerry :o
Was very impressed with the win on saturday. Thought it was an excellent advertisement for football with no cynical tackles etc being made. I feel this is a Kerry team containing many excellent footballers many who will go on to wear the senior jersey. O' Leary was excellent with top class distribution while Moran was imperious in the air at midfield. Also thought that Socky played well he completely nullified the threat posed by their big wing forward when he was moved back there for the second half. Stam took his goals brilliantly and I thought his all round contribution was excellent with tireless running and he displayed a great range of passing, think he set up 3 or 4 points as well. Surely it can't be too long till himself and Socky join the other lads in the senior set up or are they there already training?