O hara is suspended and is a big loss but we arent the one man team outsiders think we are.
Who would the Sligo lads on this board pick at Centre half back? Everyone seems to have the same opinion regarding mcnamara there. That he should be put up in the forwards. Id go for EGAN but he is injured. Does anyone know how long he is out for and how long mcpartland and t taylor are out too?
Wexford suprised me with the win over longford and 3-8 is a good score. Our full back line is our strongest line so not too worried about Forde. Beirne has done well at midfield and 2 weeks more training for quinn should help his fitness . Cawley has done very well in the forwards too.
I think we will win and if we get near to the level of down game 1st half we will be very impressive but id just like to never go through that 2nd experience ever again.
Dunno about Egan, great when things get loose, in the second half etc., but noone does a better impression of the lights being on, but nobody home. Not reliable for CHB. Difficult to know who would fill it, McGuire could have before his relocation to FB. McGowan isn't the answer either IMO. Naughton would be a decent option, or is he in the treatment room again?
Difficult to know how we'll do on Sunday. Wexford ain't as good as they were, yet we still beat them here the year they reached the final and we went down. Hopefully the sharpness is returning more, can't have another collapse in the second half like Newry, sure they will be much fitter in time, but hopefully it won't be too late. I'd go for Wexford, but wouldn't be surprised if we take the points.
I see Phillips mentioned as another option on HS. Been there before, did alright, but again not totally reliable for the role. Martyn is a loss alright.
Someone said Curran. I think thats a fair good call. He is small but he is a great break winner, and tenocious tackler. He is not easy to get past either. I see more defensive qualities with him than attacking although he had a great day against ross last yr but not the norm with him.
I wouldnt be naughtons biggest fan for any defensive roles. He played against leitrim in the FBD looks unfit, sluggish and very rusty which is understandable but when he was full back all those yrs i never found him reliable or consistent. My Dad regurlarly proposed N McGuire for FB even back then which was proven 100% right. His preferred choice for CHB is Martyn but he s not commiting this yr so far. He wasnt treated great last yr in my opinion and were not suprised hes not back.
Personally I would have egan, curran, philips or martyn in there ahead of mcnamara at CHB and I would push mcnamara into left corner forward. Thats where he played in 2005 and thats were I seen him play well consistently and impressed me the most. Not many people back in 2002 would of thought J Davey as a no7.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 13, 2008, 02:15:11 PM
Someone said Curran.
Forget about Curran as a chb. He is too small plus his kick pass is nowhere near good enough.
The main factors for chb is a big strong athlete who can prevent opposition attacking through the most direct route to goal (down the middle). He doesn't need to be a good marker he stays in middle and protects the full back line. Also a good distributor of the back is vital. I thi k McNamara possesses 2 of those attributes but is not abrasive enough to prevent opposition running down middle. Curran has the abrasiveness but not the vision, kickpass. i'd have O'Hara in there with McNamara chf. But McIntyre if he is convinced into the panel would be an ideal chb
Has anyone seen much of Daniel Davey so far this year playing for Sligo?
Ive seen Daniel Davey. He played the full match against Leitrim in the FBD and came on against Down. He looks a really good player. He got a great point from play against leitrim and ran at the defence. He has got pace and looks a stylish footballer with alot of composure on the ball. He impressed me most of all the newcomers. He was well justified getting on in the down game. One to watch in this yrs league. Very promising.
Mano: I agree on your attributes a chb needs. I would just ask every Sligoman to watch mcnamara when the opposition are on top in a game and have possesion. Against Down it was like the red sea opened in our defence right through the middle and mcnamara went invisible as I said in my post match review. Poor j davey and mcgovern were trying to cover 2 & 3 man overlapps and mcnamaras fault in my opinion. I wouldnt say mcnamara is strong but he is tall, he is hit/miss with his passing from what I see. I do agree with your curran weaknesses and yes O Hara would be a good choice too. It cost us dear in the 2nd half last time and I just hope either mcnamara improves drastically or we can dominate a game enough to cover mcnamaras weakness there.
Is there anyone going to the Sligo / Wexford match that would be willing to text updates to the Live Scores service on GAA Radio? The number to send your texts to is 447624804328. The service is free for everyone to view at http://www.gaaradio.com/scores/liveScores.jsp . Thanks.
This has the makings of a fascinating game. At the end of the Div 2B campaign last year, Wexford were despondent at finishing 3rd due to an inferior "scores for" to Meath in 2nd, while 4 or 5 points below them, Sligo were ecstatic at finishing 4th after coming away from Aughrim with a great win that kept them out of Div 4 - and in the AI Qualifiers. Then a few months later, Sligo were celebrating a rare Provinicial Title, while Wexford had to suffer the ignominy of a 4th successive Semi-Final defeat ....
The early signs are that Wexford may have found that they still have a kick in them, and may yet have the hunger for another long campaign in search of some silverware. Against Longford, our new manager started one new man in every line of the team, which was a fairly bold approach, and it proved a success. The lads were up for it, a couple of them were a bit too up for it, and two debutants saw red towards the end of fairly impressive debuts.
New Manager Syndrome usually produces a positive reaction for the first game or two, and it seems that Jason Ryan has brought a freshness that the players have responded to, but we'll know more after Sunday.
Even from the Connaught Final team it seems Sligo are missing 4 or 5 lads, and judging by the earlier posts, are in somewhat of a transition. Wexford are keen to get as many new lads up to scratch as early as possible in ther season, to avoid the fiasco last year when two of the subs we brought on in the Leinster Semi-Final had never played competitive Senior Football for Wexford before. So the outcome is a bit hard to predict with a bit of experimentation still on both sides.
Sligo will feel that an away defeat to Down is no disgrace, and a home win will put things back on track. Likewise defeat here would be no disaster for Wexford. But I have a good feeling about Jason Ryan (after some initial scepticism) and I think he will see this as a good opportunity for a result on the road.
Sean Davey destroyed us 3 years ago in Markievicz, and I'll be happier once I'm sure he's not playing ;) ... if we're not short any of our key players I think we should have enough to come away with a point or two ....
It is a huge game. We win and were back in the promotion race, we lose and we could be d4 bound. Sean davey wont be back for this game but maybe later. Gerry McGowan is set to start in oharas place with id say the only change from the down game according to sligo champion.
The stand is being extended so only terrace open. I wouldnt expect many from wexford(wild distance to travel) but hopefully many from sligo will turn out. The weather is set to be good. Im looking forward to it.
Sligonian, is that standing only then? This may have a bearing on whether I bring my young lad or not ....
Wexford (NFL v Sligo): A. Masterson; C. Morris, P. Wallace, D. Walsh; A. Morrissey, B. Malone, G. Sunderland; B. Doyle, E, Bradley; B. Brosnan, R. Barry, P. Curtis; S. Roche, A. Flynn, M. Forde.
Slight variation on the team that beat Longford, so I guess they've gotten the vote of confidence. Still I would like to see some of the more established fellas coming off the bench at some stage, such as Paddy Colfer, John Hudson, Rory Stafford, Ciaran Lyng.
I didn't see a Sligo team announced yet.
Model Hammer- Fair play on travelling up to the game and safe journey, this notice is from the sligo gaa website. It means there is no seating. Only the terrace behind the town end goals and along one side of the pitch is open.
Markievicz Park Arrangements.on Sunday February 17th
Due to the ongoing work on the extension to the stand, there will be no access to the stand area on Sunday or for the duration of the work.
Supporters will have to use the cemetery side of the grounds. Access will be at the Main entrance /Town end only. This is necessary in the interest of the safety of all who access the venue.
Sligo G.A.A. Co.Committee and the Markievicz Park Committee regret the inconvenience to everybody and assure them that the ongoing work will lead to improved spectator facilities in the future
I'll post more on this game tomorrow, one we lost 0-14 to 0-13 in the end. I only want to say one thing now - and all Sligo and Wexford folk are doubtless in agreement - Declan Corcoran should never be let onto a pitch with a whistle ever again. How that f**king clown get to ref inter-county matches only Fr Gardiner will know. Refereeing is bollixed if he is the future of it. >:(
Jayses lads, I don't normally indulge in wanton criticism of referees. I'm usually in the benign camp that say we have to have refs, would you do it yourself, rulebook is shite, etc etc ....
But that was the worst display of inter-county refereeing I've seen in a long time. It was a complete lottery what way he was going to blow at any time - and he blew a lot! Even the sending off was comical. The second foul blown on Sunderland was not a booking offence, but he had already reached for the pocket. Then he tried to give him the black book when he realised. THEN there was such a roar of abuse from the Sligo crowd on the line that he called him back then and gave him the 2nd yellow!
But Owenmore, what's the story with the scoreboard, or lack thereof? Very bad form for a National League game in the County Ground. Stand under construction is no excuse whatsoever. Not impressed ....
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 18, 2008, 02:03:02 AM
I'll post more on this game tomorrow, one we lost 0-14 to 0-13 in the end. I only want to say one thing now - and all Sligo and Wexford folk are doubtless in agreement - Declan Corcoran should never be let onto a pitch with a whistle ever again. How that f**king clown get to ref inter-county matches only Fr Gardiner will know. Refereeing is bollixed if he is the future of it. >:(
Is that the same fella that did Galway v Leitrim in the FBD because if it was he was beyond useless.
Was unbelivably angry yday and still am.
But firstly congratulations to wexford and there fans. Well deserved victory. Mattie forde is awesome to watch and yer by no means a one man team either.
Declan Corcoran was the ref, yes in galway leitrim fbd game he sent m duignan off after one yellow, he even had the cheek to say after that if duignan had said it to him at the time everything would of been sound but duignan justed walked of like your suposed too. He is an idiot, This man is being lined up to ref a CONNAGHT SENIOR FINAL.. he reffed our league game last yr with antrim and last yr connaght minor final. All of which is he was atriocious. He must think its basketball hes reffing, he was bad for both sides and is ruiuing the ENTERTAINMENT value of games by blowing for everything. He refs a big championship game there will be riots. Im actually glad Ohara didnt play yday because he would of have been going mental at the ref. The GAA or ref assocition need to look at this man and get rid of him. There maybe troube ahead.
Knowing and seeing how we can play ie the down first half well this was a million miles away.
But did we do our best to make them look good. I actually thought that D Kelly, Gallagher and brehony did well. The supply was atrocious 2nd half.
Our midfield was invisible. Ive never seen a team so invisible in that area and the great mcnamara at chb what chance do we have. People whos first game yday was will surely critise Beirne. This man made 5 or 6 catches against down , won breaks, passed the ball well and scored a point THAT made me think this man is good so He can do it. Yday he was atrocious along the consisently poor quinn yday. Quinn last pass at a free at the end of the game was beyond poor.
They won every break crowded the midfield with us playing our extra man in defence. I though our defence was poor yday too. They scored 14pts and but for some close wides it couldnt been higher. The full back line wasnt themselves yday. I actually blame the ref for that......touch the forward and a free,
We always lose our shape when the opposition goes for the blanket defence, especially in the forwards 2nd half. We kept going down the right hand side and its so predictable. Ans no sligo within 25m raduis of the goals.
A few questions Id ask the Sligo players. Was last yr really the start of something? Do they want to play in div4 against Kilkenny nxt yr? Do they want to hand back the Nestor cup without a fight? Do they want to play in TM cup?
Having seen how good we can be its very hard for me to accept a performance like yday. John Kent said at half time the players said theyd run at wexford but didnt do it.
We have to beat Limerick next outing.
very disappointing yesterday. wexford deserved their win & forde was the main difference between the teams. they had a purpose about their attacks while we seemed clueless at times. first half showed some good signs with good movements in play and some good finishing - kelly, quinn & gallagher all pointing well. but 2nd half was abysmal - how many times did we get within 40yrds and the whole attack falls flat. too many times we ended up with only 1 or 2 forwards in their half with no support whatsoever - was like watching game v cork all over again.
sligonian, would disagree completely about brehony - thought he was very poor yesterday. their chb bossed him for the entire first half and despite a rare right footed point in 2nd half, he seemed to be hiding for the entire game. our midfield were well beaten - beirne looks very raw but is young so will improve, quinn is obviously nowhere near 100% fit, but he'll get there and will be firing on all cylinders come ch'ship. was surprised with gallagher who with kelly, were the only ones willing to take on their men.
on the positive side, we hit some good frees and i think cawleys long range effort was the only one off target. on the negatives, we still have huge problems at chb & full forward. also how many times did we allow them easy possession from their kick-outs. fair enough, their goalie was excellent with his kicks but you cant let that happen as often as it did yesterday. jordan also seemed to lack a bit of experience on the line. we had lost our entire shape in the 2nd half and he never did anything to change it - and bringing mctiernan on at chf wasnt the answer. yes, bring him on in the full forward line where's he's very dangerous.
finally, as model hammer says, there's no excuse for not having a scoreboard. that was embarrassing.
Must echo the reports on Corcoran.Have seen him up along doing county underage games and he is the worst type of ref...one who never played himself. He also seems to have 'small man complex'...look at me now...I have a whistle.
Sligonian..."the consistently poor Quinn'? 2 league games...The lad is only back training a couple of weeks.Get the Connaught final dvd and have a look at it.
I'd agree Beirne is worth keeping with but as for your 5-6 catches!Your counting must've been disrupted by the violent soccer types that surrounded you.
With all due respect how can you say Brehony was very poor yday. Justify that criticism. He scored 2 brilliant points from play and got all his frees. What cost our forward line and brehony included was the supply. Kelly had the beating of his man but when his own team are kicking it straight to his defender what chance does he have. Gallagher suprised me yday but can he do it in the summer. I have me doubts. The supply was good in down 1st half MEANS we score 2-4, supply was good in 1st half yday MEANS we score 0-9...
To me its the same old sligo yday in 2nd half especially. The day of kicking to the corners and working the ball from there is over. It creates a semi circle of defence from the oppositon goal of 25 m raduis where we cant work through. In other words you help the opposition by doing so. It was fairly obvious what was happening tactically. What was so refreshing was in the Down 1st half I thought we'd come up with a new tactics of attacking play that was great to watch only to go backwards from there. But I wouldnt blame the management. I heard John Kent on ocean fm basically saying everything the players were told at HT they did the opposite when on the field.
Buckass - One good game from Quinn last yr, what about his league form last yr and looks were in for a similiar format this yr. One good game and are we suppose let him live off that for yrs till we get another performance like it. Once in a blue moon. I have the connaght final dvd thanks. How many catches did Beirne make then against down please correct me on that?
Why dont you write something worthwhile instead of just reading my post and nit picking something out of my posts that you dont agree with just to criticise my view? Why dont you have the balls to post your own opinions on the game and let me pick out the bits i dont agree with ;)? Some of the lads on this board seem to have to same complex as corcoran. Im going put Sligonian in his place COMPLEX instead of doing what i do and give an honest view on Sligo GAA.
BUCKASS ask yourself this. Im guessing you were at the game yday and 1 sentence about the ref and 2 about me. None about Sligo football. Kinda says it all. When havent anything good to say, say Nothing ::). Before a bandwagon of critism heads my way I did post many postives after down and the few that were yday.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 18, 2008, 04:56:14 PM
With all due respect how can you say Brehony was very poor yday. Justify that criticism. He scored 2 brilliant points from play and got all his frees.
if you noticed, i did mention the freetaking & his point off right in 2nd half but IMO, it was still the worst performance from brehony in a long time. totally anonymous in first half, only for the free i didnt realise he was on the pitch. alot of breaking ball around the middle & he never seemed interested in getting involved- curran the only one battling for breaks. 1 point from a free in opening half says it all. jordan obviously thought the same as he moved him into the full forward line. and as for your criticism of quinn, you seem to have forgotten his excellent point in first half and pass to brehony in 2nd half which set up his last point. he didnt have a good game but he's the least of my worries. we need to sort out numbers 6, 11 & 14 to do anything this year.
Don't want to get involved with tihs 'Quinn's shite' thing again, he came good when it mattered. Fitness a bit off but he will come, dunno about Byrne, did a really stupid thing when inside with the posts at his mercy, fisting it across goal, could have punched it over. Was out of it for good periods, but maybe he might get better with time. We aren't blessed with midfielders, amongst other positions. Elsewhere the backs had a so-so day, McGuire didn't do too badly, Donovan showed it's not just Phillips who can give a serious hit amongst the Harps crew, but the HB line could have done much better, and as for CHB? Vacancy available surely.
In forwards, Kelly showed a lot greater willingness to kick points than ever before, got 2 good scores, and was lively, Gallagher surprised me too, really took his chance. Curran was getting stuck in and winning scraps, but was lucky to be still on by HT, about the only thing the clown didn't punish. Breheny poor, despite his collector's item with the right boot, Sweeney was ok in patches in the first half, but totally anonymous in the second. Still not a great starter. Cawley may not be as quick as the others, he knows where the posts are, didn't get many chances, but should be tieing up a spot for c'ship. Subs didn't get much chance to impress really.
And again corcoran - disaster, reffed our minors in 05, minor final last year, us v antrim in league last year and yesterday again, and is worse by the game. My sympathies to Mayo posters who encounter him at club level. If certain posters were present it could have got nasty. :P The Wexford wingback was unfortunate, I thought he had words though, which got him the second yellow?
Scoreboard - yep, poor form, but sure what would you expect? Good to see the stand taking shape, badly needed to be done, even Laythrum were starting to show us up ffs!
Re wexford, backs were a bit loose at times, but the forwards looked a fairly good unit, and Forde is always worth the admission to watch, McGuire did as good as he could I guess. Could be life in the yellowbellies yet, could get promotion now Louth have imploded. For us, Limerick is going to be vital now. No points from that, and Freshford could be on the itenary for 2009.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 18, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
The Wexford wingback was unfortunate, I thought he had words though, which got him the second yellow?
Maybe so. That would explain the sequence of events better. Makes George out to be even stupider than I was giving him credit for. 3 cards - yellow-black-yellow in the space of 2 minutes!
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 18, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
Re wexford, backs were a bit loose at times, but the forwards looked a fairly good unit, and Forde is always worth the admission to watch, McGuire did as good as he could I guess. Could be life in the yellowbellies yet, could get promotion now Louth have imploded. For us, Limerick is going to be vital now. No points from that, and Freshford could be on the itenary for 2009.
Thought we were very sluggish at the start alright. It was starting to look like the same fixture 3 years ago all over again. I thought that the Sligo forwards picked off some lovely scores in the first half and attacked at pace. The half-forwards were making themselves available for quick return passes and our half-backs seemed to be rooted to the ground. Despite their early dominance Sligo still managed to concede 10 points in that half. I agree with a few other posters that breaking ball from midfield is what wins games and Wexford were cleaning up the breaks.
Early in the second half I looked around for the extra man and noticed that he was standing on the 14 as an extra full back, which may be understandable given the threat of Forde. But then 15 minutes into the half the score had progressed from 0-9 to 0-10 to 0-9 to 0-12, and the extra man was promptly dispatched further up the field! You could argue that it had been a bit too negative from the Sligo management, and when he was moved to half-back it produced a lot more possession. From our point of view I think Shane Roche's point from the left early in the 2nd half was a bit of a sickener for Sligo too. Seeing a fella confidently kicking a point from out on the left with the outside of the left boot suddenly meant it was going to take more than a man advantage and a bit of a breeze to win that game. Though in fairness Sligo had enough possession but were too indecisive inside the 50 where nobody seemed confident of kicking a score. Credit too in fairness to the Wexford backs who were much more disciplined in the 2nd half, harrassed and harried their men, and shadowed lads without giving away frees.
A win on the road in this division is priceless, and if we can sort out or indiscipline issues ahead of Down's visit to Wexford we can push on from here.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on February 18, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
For us, Limerick is going to be vital now. No points from that, and Freshford could be on the itenary for 2009.
I would worry for Sligo now. I can't help thinking that the local derby will bring the best out of Leitrim as usual, and Longford will probably not drop many more points. The opportunity was there on Sunday to get up the table and it was lost.
Good man Sligonian. The day a lad posting on a website believes others on it have a complex about them is time to suggest www.outrageouslyegotistical.ie where I believe a mirror comes up on screen and you can stare at it riveted while lads like Quinn train hard, win championships etc.
Quinn was excellent against New York and Ros too last year. Poor in the league so we should shaft him?Outrageous tripe.
Was impressed enough with Beirne in Newry.We got badly beaten at mf but he showed potential.2 catches -tops 3.
Buckass - with 50 mins gone in the ros game it was 2-4 0-4 to them and ohara decided to destroy o neill not quinn so your just saying things for the sake of it. I never said drop quinn or that he his shite. But in all honesty the sad thing he is a seriously ordinary footballer and isnt exactly a great help to beirnes intiation into county football in his current form.
All I said was "quinn is consistently poor". Gosh what abuse :o,That is a FACT so far this yr and last yrs league was similiar.
Im not egotistical but ffs was that such a harsh comment by me. Can I not say one negative thing in my posts without having to defend it or it be highlighted. My point is get of my back :o.
I disgree strongly on brehony 0-5 2 from play. Did just fine, Id settle for that every game. Did he kick a wide? And here ye are saying he was poor. BS. Sure hes not fit and he'll come good when really matters. ; ::)
Owenmoresider, you say say quinn came good when it really mattered (last yrs connaght final) AND i agree he did brilliant in that game, well it obviously doesnt matter then that we end up in Div4??????????????? It matters now that quinn gets fit, but in all fairness are yee going to keep saying that to me for the whole league, it not justification enough that we have to wait till june to get a performance out of him or any player for that matter like mcnamara etc. My point is does it not matter NOW.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 19, 2008, 01:02:32 PM
I disgree strongly on brehony 0-5 2 from play. Did just fine, Id settle for that every game. Did he kick a wide? And here ye are saying he was poor. BS. Sure hes not fit and he'll come good when really matters. ; ::)
Sligonian, we'll agree to disagree then. It's very easy to look at the scoresheet reading 0-5(2 from play) and say he had a good game. Thats just lazy. In my opinion, he was invisible in first half and was actually our worst forward during that period. He did nowt from play for about 50mins of the game and I think he's capable of alot more. Yes he got the frees and I acknowledged that, but forgive me for expecting more of a very experienced player operating on the 40. And just to point out, I dont have anything against brehony. I actually think he's an excellent player and a vital player for sligo but sunday was not his best day at the office.
QuoteDeclan Corcoran was the ref, yes in galway leitrim fbd game he sent m duignan off after one yellow, he even had the cheek to say after that if duignan had said it to him at the time everything would of been sound but duignan justed walked of like your suposed too. He is an idiot, This man is being lined up to ref a CONNAGHT SENIOR FINAL.. he reffed our league game last yr with antrim and last yr connaght minor final. All of which is he was atriocious. He must think its basketball hes reffing, he was bad for both sides and is ruiuing the ENTERTAINMENT value of games by blowing for everything. He refs a big championship game there will be riots. Im actually glad Ohara didnt play yday because he would of have been going mental at the ref. The GAA or ref assocition need to look at this man and get rid of him. There maybe troube ahead.
It's a pity the Mayo Co board wouldn't do the same for him. De-ref him if it could be done. He sure likes the sound of the whistle and when I saw on the paper on Sunday morning that he was reffing I waid to myself there'll be fans angry with the ref and his whistle. Really frustrating tohave him reffing club games as well.
Fair enough stevo-08. And I guess I'll have to agree to disagree regarding my points on what matters with the rest of the sligo lads aswell and quinns form. Anyone see a white flag anywhere. 8)