Who has the best internet booky site? I uesd betfair but the site is v slow and in shiye it think. who is better paddy power is the best maybe but there aaothers, Eastwoods is shite to.
Betfair has gone to the dogs. Very slow at loading up and a difficult user interface. Lone Shark reckons Ladbrooks is good but I stick with PP.
Quote from: Silky on December 29, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
Betfair has gone to the dogs. Very slow at loading up and a difficult user interface. Lone Shark reckons Ladbrooks is good but I stick with PP.
He reckons they are good because he works for them.
Well done Inspector Cluso!
:D :D
Betfair is a great idea but their technology doesn't work fast enough.
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Exactly what I thought TYP.
Paddy Power are a shower of bollocks, i emailed them a few weeks ago when the New England Patriots were 11-0 in NFL asking them for a price for them to go undefeated and go 16-0. They replied that they would get back to me when he they had passed my query to the traders, they never did. The Patriots went 16-0 last night.
The best bookie is the one offering the best odds for the bet you want, assuming you accept that they're all equally likely to pay or welch, which is the only other valid consideration I can think of. Open accounts with all the main online bookies and exchanges (it doesn't cost anything) and use oddschecker.com to get the best deal for each individual bet.
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
Do you think James Bond would have time to be on here posting?
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
I have to laugh at you... serious bee in your bonnet.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on December 31, 2007, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
Do you think James Bond would have time to be on here posting?
he probably would but James realises there are better things to be doing
Quote from: bombidal on January 01, 2008, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
I have to laugh at you... serious bee in your bonnet.
Not really. I'm just a guy who takes his punting seriously and think that it was a disgrace that you cut the odds on his bet despite him having it authorised by the manager in the shop.
And then to come on here and say that Powers are "the best" and "a bit of craic" without letting the OP know that you happen to work for them would be bad enough in most cases, but it is further compunded by your spineless actions re the bet that Lone Shark had with ye a few months ago.
But sure as long as ye are a "bit of craic" it doesn't matter if you get the correct winnings paid to you if you happen to get the odd winner...............................
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 01, 2008, 09:45:42 PM
Quote from: bombidal on January 01, 2008, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on December 31, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
Quote from: bombidal on December 29, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
I would say Paddy Power are the best. They are a bit of craic.
Good man Bombidal. You're not too slow to get the auld recommendation in for your employer, yet when you were asked to contribute on the thread started by Lone Shark a few months ago re the disgraceful price cut on one of his bets by yourself, ye were nowhere to be seen.
I have to laugh at you... serious bee in your bonnet.
Not really. I'm just a guy who takes his punting seriously and think that it was a disgrace that you cut the odds on his bet despite him having it authorised by the manager in the shop.
And then to come on here and say that Powers are "the best" and "a bit of craic" without letting the OP know that you happen to work for them would be bad enough in most cases, but it is further compunded by your spineless actions re the bet that Lone Shark had with ye a few months ago.
But sure as long as ye are a "bit of craic" it doesn't matter if you get the correct winnings paid to you if you happen to get the odd winner...............................
the correct winnings were paid my friend
Coward
I use PP, but what pissed me off with it is the fact their live betting can be very tedious at times.
Also the fact that last years during the US Masters they neglected to tell everyone that the TV feed on BBC/RTÉ we were getting was eight minutes behind real-time. OK you can say they didn't have to warn everyone of that, but personnally I Thought it was very bad form of them not to, considering I (like most people) was under the assumption it was a live stream.
Quote from: bombidal on January 01, 2008, 10:53:23 PM
the correct winnings were paid my friend
LS said on the original thread:
"I went into one of their Galway shops and asked behind the counter for a large bet. The girl behind the counter rang up head office to confirm the price, to confirm that it was okay to take the bet, all confirmed and duly took it."
What more was he to do as a punter, answer me that?
What was your rationale for changing the price on him AFTER the bet had been okayed at Head Office?
How you didn't have the balls to stand over the original price of 8/11 based on the fact that he got it Okayed by Head Office I'll never know, but (at the risk of repeating myself) sure as long as ye're a bit of craic it makes it alright..................
I do not have to explain anything to anyone on this board.
Quote from: bombidal on January 02, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
I do not have to explain anything to anyone on this board.
True, you don't but you aren't doing Paddy Power's image any good with your approach.
Quote from: bombidal on January 02, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
I do not have to explain anything to anyone on this board.
True, but perhaps you might qualify your next recommendation of Paddy Power on this board (or any other board you may post on) with a suitable tag line, perhaps something like this:
"You must be advised that we may unilaterally decide to reduce the odds of any winning selection, despite you being told before hand that the bet was accepted by the spineless monkies at Head Office. And it doesn't matter if you have done everything humanly possible to verify the odds of the bet before the bet was placed, that's just the way it is.
But don't forget we're great craic..................."
Quote from: Guillem2 on January 02, 2008, 09:06:09 AM
Quote from: bombidal on January 02, 2008, 08:49:49 AM
I do not have to explain anything to anyone on this board.
True, you don't but you aren't doing Paddy Power's image any good with your approach.
But do I care ?
time for you to change your signature Bombidal ;)
Why don't someone mail the link to this discussion to the great many Paddy himself and ask for his opinion. Shur at least we would knock a bit of craic out of him.
I'm giving no more tips with all these bookies looking in !
Just back from holidays, so I didn't get near this till now - mea culpa.
I won't go into the Wexford bet all over again, except to say that perhaps a general customer might be treated a bit differently to how someone who works for a rival company is. The facts have long since been discussed by now, though at the time I'm not sure if Bombidal offically came out to bat for his employer - tis neither here nor there now anyway.
In terms of the original question, the best bookie is quite simply the one with the best price for what you want to bet on. My vested interest is quite clear, but I'm speaking as a punter when I say scouring round for the best price about what you want to back is probably worth as much as €200 a year to someone who bets five times a week to an average stake of a tenner. Now obviously I would hope that most people on here who bet do so for fun (because 90% of those who bet for money get hosed in the process) but even so if you are even semi serious about your few quid I strongly recommend having a look at all the options.
The other issue, which I'm sorry, but I have to pick up on, is this garbage about PP being great "craic". You may find their publicity stunts amusing, or you may not - but it's not like you miss out on that because you bet with someone else. Paddy's smiling face will still be in the paper every second day whether or not you do. I will say this though - for a board that is primarily GAA, it is utterly galling to read that stuff. When RTE or BBC are slow or incorrect in putting up results on O'Byrne or McKenna Cup matches, ye all bemoan the lack of coverage, just like I do. Yet last weekend, PP priced up six (if memory serves) of the various games that were on around Ireland, while I/We/Ladbrokes put up 24.
This may sound like a shameless plug, but I do so for a reason - I'm getting put under pressure to stop doing these games, all because they ain't paying off, and I'm pretty sure no-one wants that. Not alone do feck all bet on them in the first place, people are betting on the games PP won't do with us, and then reverting to PP for the league and championship because they are "great craic". By all means, if you want to back Kerry for the NFL division 1 title, they are a better price than us, so do so. But what kills me is that there are people who will bet on Tyrone McKenna cup games with us because PP won't do it. They'll bet on UUJ to win the Sigerson with us because PP won't do it until the semi. They'll bet on Omagh CBS for the Hogan Cup with us because PP won't do it. They'll bet on their local club to win the Tyrone county championship with us because PP won't do those games. They'll do a treble on the Tyrone club quarter final matches because PP won't do it.
Then come the NFL they'll back PP's 3/1 rather than my 4/1 because it's "great craic", or "handy". I say this because there are customers who do just that, bet on their own teams with us when we're the only company offering it, then disappear, even if we're best price, once the rivals show up.
Cashmans is likely to be bought out this week, and as any good GAA punter will tell you, that's a real loss. For your own sake on several levels, you should support the bookie that makes an effort - otherwise you'll pay the price now, when your bet has a smaller payout, as you will later when you no longer have the option of all the extra stuff listed above.
Lighten up a bit, I said it would be great craic to get Paddy Power on here to explain the bet.
As for all the facts and figures I don't think anyone of us takes it that serious and as far as I am concerned if a horse is say 7/1 from Paddy Power and 8/1 from Ladbrokes I would not loose any sleep over it if I had to punt at 7/1. Bookies are all the same to me and the more of them close down the better in certain areas. I was working in a new spread betting premises in Dublin today installing CCTV and they are opening in two weeks. They are giving one hour courses on spread betting for their customers. Imagine, they are going to sit us all down in a room with screens in front of us and tell us how to bet.
BTW, is there any chance this is you in the Ladbrokes office in Galway on the last day of Balinrobe ?
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KXAM7Oheg (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KXAM7Oheg)
Quote from: Bud Wiser on January 14, 2008, 06:50:07 PM
Lighten up a bit, I said it would be great craic to get Paddy Power on here to explain the bet.
As for all the facts and figures I don't think anyone of us takes it that serious and as far as I am concerned if a horse is say 7/1 from Paddy Power and 8/1 from Ladbrokes I would not loose any sleep over it if I had to punt at 7/1. Bookies are all the same to me and the more of them close down the better in certain areas. I was working in a new spread betting premises in Dublin today installing CCTV and they are opening in two weeks. They are giving one hour courses on spread betting for their customers. Imagine, they are going to sit us all down in a room with screens in front of us and tell us how to bet.
BTW, is there any chance this is you in the Ladbrokes office in Galway on the last day of Balinrobe ?
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KXAM7Oheg (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=k5KXAM7Oheg)
Bud, I presume the "craic" that LS is talking about refers to a post made by Bombidal, and not yourself.
I was wondering that because I was on his side because he caught a certain poster advertising tickets for sale for the All-Ireland last year on E-Bay !!
It was a mild attack on my part though and Shark won't mind.
Shark most assuredly is far from perturbed - and indeed it was the notion that PP is somehow more fun was indeed the general intention. Possibly I'm just a bit tetchy today. Bud is used to dealing with cranky Biffos anyway, neighbours are tolerant like that....
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61152425.html (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61152425.html)
This is the crowd that are opening in Hatch St next week. See where they give free seminars on how to bet as I mentioned above. They give free wine with each seminar and us eejits trying to organise a gadderin in some old pub. Why don't we all book a seminar? The nearest pub is the Bleeding Horse or Copper Face Jacks and we could rotate as each seminar takes an hour and we could all learn how to loose money through drinking and gambling on the one day.
http://www.cmcmarkets.co.uk/ (http://www.cmcmarkets.co.uk/)
Quote from: King of Kilskerry on January 14, 2008, 08:49:14 PM
I dont know, I work in the media and in the last week Paddy Power paid out on Obama winning the democratic vote, said it was a done deal at 4/8, 24 hours later after he lost a primary Clinton was odds on i think. Today they paid out on real Madrid winning the spanish league and they are only a few pts clear.... and to top it all they had a money back special on the newcastle game at the weekend ' if martins scores at any stage they refund all bets etc....' Martins didnt even make the bench and they still refunded all losing bets !!!!!! Foolish or a bit of craic i dont know.
Publicity trick
In all honesty how much money would there be on the Us elections on a single
AFAIK, these rules dont apply in doubles, trebles etc
If there was serious money on a particular outcome there is no f**king chance they would be paying out early
LoneShark, I dunno if you are reading this or not. I'm on Ladbrokes.ie trying to put a Lucky15 on the Provincial football (senior) champions for this year. In my selection box it says 'There are no valid multiples for those selections'. Is there anyway of doing this online?
AZ, i think you'll have to ring it in, they'll accept your online username etc for the account over the phone.
Ring it in for a €15 stake? I'd be embarrassed :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2008, 11:22:24 AM
LoneShark, I dunno if you are reading this or not. I'm on Ladbrokes.ie trying to put a Lucky15 on the Provincial football (senior) champions for this year. In my selection box it says 'There are no valid multiples for those selections'. Is there anyway of doing this online?
Who are you backing?
I can't tell you that. The odds would come tumbling down :D
I'm thinking
Mayo because I think they will rebound this year in a fairly poor province, Cork because Kerry will be totally focussed on 3 in a row, and Cork will be highly charged when they play them, Derry as my decent outside bet (9/2) and Dublin because on form they are a long way ahead of Leinster. However the Dubs could be also in danger of looking at September rather than July, so Meath might be a good bet at 11/2
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2008, 11:48:58 AM
Ring it in for a €15 stake? I'd be embarrassed :D
you can do it in a shop too - i don't like ringing in myself, it's normally too much hassle - staff not really knowing where to find the odds on the first goalscorer in the Offaly county final etc.....
I think the nearest Ladbrokes shop to me is in Limerick city. I won't be in town for a while.
LS - Any particular reason why multiples like this are a problem? The 'craicsters' seem to do it? Is it an issue with the website itself?
We had this poblem last year as well - people set them up as if they were connected markets.
I'll get it sorted now and get back to you - thanks for letting me know.
Cheers LS. You are now the proud owner of €15 of my hard earned cash :D
Although it is mitigated by the fact that I threw a tenner on a lad running in Southwell at 3 o'clock, while I was waiting for yer options to change. While I was watching he went 10s, 8s, 7s, 13/2. Won by about 15 lengths. So I'm €50 up :D
Won't last though.
By the way, did you cut Mayo and Dublin? I was sure they were 11/10 and evens. Now they are evens and 10/11 respectively. I'm sure you don't value my opinion that much :D
Have an account with PP but getting sick of them. Their golf odds are crap for starters
Lone Shark as regards the NFL do ladbrokes allow doubles on 1st TD scorers?
PP dont for some reason
Yup, that huge potential liability forced me to take action.... :P
Nah, I was just surveying the lie of the land this morning after all that's happened in the two weeks while I was gone. Dublin look to have reasonable strength in depth, while Roscommon have gone God-awful altogether, hence those two price changes.
Good work on the horse - I'd be cheering ye all on with ye're horse betting, seeing as that's more money for everyone to spend on GAA betting!! I don't get any bonuses for big racing profits!
Rossie, for some reason we don't appear to allow multiples on first touchdown scorers either. I have no idea why, but I'll ask the question and get back to you. Chances are you'd be allowed over the phone, but even so it's handier have it set up online. Bear with me and I'll get it sorted....
Quote from: King of Kilskerry on January 14, 2008, 08:49:14 PM
I dont know, I work in the media and in the last week Paddy Power paid out on Obama winning the democratic vote, said it was a done deal at 4/8, 24 hours later after he lost a primary Clinton was odds on i think. Today they paid out on real Madrid winning the spanish league and they are only a few pts clear.... and to top it all they had a money back special on the newcastle game at the weekend ' if martins scores at any stage they refund all bets etc....' Martins didnt even make the bench and they still refunded all losing bets !!!!!! Foolish or a bit of craic i dont know.
That's what annoys me about PP, all the publicity-seeking 'sure aren't we great' acts, they paid out on Bertie on the morning of the election count too, which could have backfired. Hopefully some of them will, but as said above, they aren't probably losing a whole lot if it does.
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 15, 2008, 03:32:46 PM
Have an account with PP but getting sick of them. Their golf odds are crap for starters
Lone Shark as regards the NFL do ladbrokes allow doubles on 1st TD scorers?
PP dont for some reason
Resolved now. Within an hour that'll be sorted and it will be allowed. No idea why it was the case initially.
As regards PP's money back stuff, obviously I'd be some miserable hoor to give out about something for nothing, but I will say this - they are chosen so as to get maximum media coverage for minimal payout, and usually are long term bets which a lot of people don't have the patience for. When it comes to the live soccer matches etc., your refund will always be on markets like correct score, first goalscorer or other such markets where they have around 30% margin or more written into the prices. Not for years have they refunded a bet on a team to win the match.
Obviously this is coming fom a point of view of a company that does not engage in these things at all, so I'm not trying to claim the high moral ground here, but instead point out to punters that it is rare that such offers give you real value. It shouldn't really be a factor in your decision making process in terms of who to bet with, I'd still recommend price and price alone be the criterion.
I have no allegiance to any company but this is a f**king joke
At least Dick Turpin wore a f**king mask
These were the prices from PP for the 2007 All-Stars
Half-backs
1/200 Tomas O'Se
4/11 Aidan O'Mahony
4/7 Killian Young
5/6 Barry Cahill
5/1 Caoimhin King
11/2 Michael McNamara
7/1 Noel O'Leary
20/1 Damien Freeman
20/1 Gary McQuaid
Midfield
2/9 Ciaran Whelan
4/9 Darragh O'Se
4/9 Nicholas Murphy
8/1 Sean Cavanagh
33/1 Fergal Doherty
50/1 Paddy Keenan
Full-forwards
1/950 Colm Cooper
1/6 Thomas Freeman
4/7 Donncha O'Connor
4/5 Paddy Bradley
5/2 Kieran Donaghy
14/1 James Masters
20/1 Graham Geraghty
33/1 Mark Vaughan
66/1 Michael Cussen
How in the honour of Christ can you have more odds on shots than positions available is beyond
PP = great craic ::)
Well, When a bookie thinks a 2 way outcome is has a 50 50 chance of happening they go 5/6 and 5/6. 2 odds on prices and only one winner.
Maybe beyond you though as you said yourself. :-*
Quote from: Don on January 17, 2008, 03:37:38 PM
Well, When a bookie thinks a 2 way outcome is has a 50 50 chance of happening they go 5/6 and 5/6. 2 odds on prices and only one winner.
Maybe beyond you though as you said yourself. :-*
Thanks for working that out don ::)
Two 5/6 shots are indeed odds on & it is a 108% book (but you probably knew that) which is fair enough. If you know enough work out the % for the All Star odds & post them. You will see the punters are being made out to be mugs.
I will do it if you are having problems ;)
Is the Ladbrokes web site down tonight? I can't get into it at all. I can get every other fecking bookie but Ladbrokes have a fecking money!
I've just logged in and out - no problem.
Feck that! I'll take Aristotle Flynn's advice and hold on to my money. >:(
I see today in the Racing Post today that Ladbrokes are not paying out on trappatoni as the next rish manager ?????
explain that one, he had a press conference, waving an irish scarf above his head etc.... are they hoping he will die before the first match so they wont have to pay ? ;D