Poll
Question:
The Allianz Deal
Option 1: Drop it now
votes: 24
Option 2: Don't renew
votes: 18
Option 3: Leave in place
votes: 14
What say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
https://www.bing.com/search?setmkt=en-GB&q=allianz+in+israel&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB
Allianz has faced significant scrutiny regarding its business practices in Israel, particularly in the context of its insurance and investment ties with companies involved in military operations.
Investment in Military Equipment: Allianz has been implicated in funding companies like Elbit Systems, which produces military drones used in Gaza, raising concerns about its role in supporting Israel's military actions.
2
Protests and Activism: Activists have targeted Allianz offices across Europe, demanding that the company cease its ties with Elbit Systems, citing its involvement in the ongoing conflict in Gaza.
1
Catholic Church Calls for Action: The Catholic Church has also called for Allianz to sever ties with the company, reflecting the broader ethical concerns surrounding corporate involvement in military conflicts.
1
These developments highlight the ongoing debate about the ethical implications of multinational corporations like Allianz in the region."
The GAA should dump them.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 07:00:10 PMWhat say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
As usual Irish people deluding themselves soft power matters. Do not understand reality of power or how to wield it[if they had any].
If Irish were like the Jews , right now there would be a United Ireland. Britain would have a famine museum in every town and there would be nuclear armed submarines patrolling the shores
Quote from: DaleCooper on December 23, 2025, 09:33:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 07:00:10 PMWhat say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
As usual Irish people deluding themselves soft power matters. Do not understand reality of power or how to wield it[if they had any].
If Irish were like the Jews , right now there would be a United Ireland. Britain would have a famine museum in every town and there would be nuclear armed submarines patrolling the shores
This has what to do with Allianz and Burns being less than truthful?
I'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
Think I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMDefinitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such.
How can this assist in preventing genocide in Palestine?
If people who believe the GAA is wrong in being sponsored by a certain company, by all means boycott the organisation and the sponsor. And by bringing it to the attention of other members of the GAA allow us to choose not to support the GAA or the sponsor if that is what we believe.
Direct action or whatever it would be called at GAA matches is grandstanding for effect it will not be constructive in resolving any issues those protesting have with the GAA.
It is possible to be a GAA member, against genocide and not care about the sponsor.
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 11:46:53 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMDefinitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such.
How can this assist in preventing genocide in Palestine?
If people who believe the GAA is wrong in being sponsored by a certain company, by all means boycott the organisation and the sponsor. And by bringing it to the attention of other members of the GAA allow us to choose not to support the GAA or the sponsor if that is what we believe.
Direct action or whatever it would be called at GAA matches is grandstanding for effect it will not be constructive in resolving any issues those protesting have with the GAA.
It is possible to be a GAA member, against genocide and not care about the sponsor.
Really?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
I am in 2 minds about this. I believe Armagh were one of 8 counties to bring or back the motion to drop Allianz so there is that but still sits very uneasy with me Allianz remaining the sponsor of the leagues. Genuinely not sure what to do. I am not a season ticket holder and juts get my tickets in a match by match basis so have time yet to decide
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
GPA don't even reply to email messages on the subject... def ourselves alone ££
Be interesting to see do any players speak out..
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMI know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six"
You'd not have the slightest f**king clue about it if it wasn't for the petition delivered to Croke Park signed by people from all over the island.
Busy year ahead for the GAA ethics committee
https://www.genocidewatch.com/countries-at-risk
Will the arseholes that are in torturing supermarket workers turn their attention to the GAA now ? I have a feeling they won't
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1220/1550002-gaa-president-burns-defends-allianz-sponsorship-stance/
GAA president Jarlath Burns has said that a decision to cut ties with Allianz could have left the association potentially "toxic" to other sponsors, warned that the disruption to clubs would have been significant and said that the financial impact would have been severe.
Speaking on RTÉ Radio 1's Saturday Sport, the Armagh man also stressed that the company they deal with – Allianz Ireland – has no links to the ongoing war in Gaza and staunchly defended the GAA's response to the war in Palestine.
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:32:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMI know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six"
You'd not have the slightest f**king clue about it if it wasn't for the petition delivered to Croke Park signed by people from all over the island.
My bad... is that why the county boards opposing the Allianz sponsorship are Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry, Down, Antrim, Armagh, Leitrim, Roscommon and Offaly? Huge take-up in the '26' ... not!
Dr David Hickey and other Dubs (male and female players) have campaigned as well.
By the way that campaign to Croke Park was most initiated and led by Nodlaig Brolly a barrister from Dungiven. I was very aware of it.
You're very angry by the way... it's Christmas 🎄 ☺️
I dont know enough about their background, but i know some up North pension pots are stuck into some questionable bodies!
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Wrong
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:05:40 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Wrong
All of that or some of it?! :D
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
Probably uses google
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 07:09:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Says the far right, anti immigrant, pro fox hunting, pro Kingsmill neanderthal who think sexual harassment is no big deal.
Enjoy Christmas in your cave. I'm sure Morgan's will heat it for you.
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 08:27:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 07:09:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Says the far right, anti immigrant, pro fox hunting, pro Kingsmill neanderthal who think sexual harassment is no big deal.
Enjoy Christmas in your cave. I'm sure Morgan's will heat it for you.
Sad, angry little man..
This isn't very Chrismassy
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
There is a lot of grassroots opposition to Allianz. The excuse that they can't get another insurer is fake.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
How do you resign your GAA membership? Do you ring your club and tell them you're 'resigning'?
From August
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/08/20/gaa-players-protest-over-organisations-sponsorship-deal-with-allianz/
Almost 800 football, hurling and camogie players have signed an open letter asking the GAA to end its relationship with Allianz, an insurance company, claiming its financial ties are "enabling the genocide of the Palestinian people".
The letter was delivered to Tom Ryan, the director general of the GAA, at a protest outside Croke Park on Wednesday.
Allianz is a sponsor of the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship, the Allianz Leagues, the Camogie Association and Cumann na mBunscol.
A United Nations report published in June this year, led by special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese, found that asset management firms including Pimco, which is owned by German-based financial services company Allianz, was a significant buyer of Israeli treasury bonds. These bonds, the report argues, play a "critical role in funding the ongoing assault on Gaza".
I would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 04:29:50 PMI would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.
Not sure why we would leave the GAA which is as much our organisation and life since childhood. It is who we are. Better to fight this bullshit from within.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
That's my only option?
I guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PMQuote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:47:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PMQuote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.
You need a democratic vote on whether the GAA should endorse genocide? Jeez!
Bring it on then...
I don't accept we are endorsing genocide so I won't comment further.
And we will comment further...
There is a very serious crisis at the heart of all this so I say this rather reluctantly, but, how this plays out within the GAA will be fascinating on a number of fronts.
The GAA should do better, simple as that.
f**k the money
https://x.com/MuseumFreeDerry/status/1958135104900915427
From "Novara media"
Two insurance firms, Allianz and Aviva, have stopped underwriting Israel's largest weapons manufacturer after a sustained direct action campaign by Palestine Action.
Allianz's coverage of Elbit Systems UK ended on 1 November, while Aviva's employment liability insurance coverage of UAV Engines Ltd – an Elbit subsidiary – came to an end on 7 September.
Elbit Systems UK is now receiving employer's liability insurance from Aspen Insurance, and UAV Engines is being insured by Chubb.
Aspen's Fenchurch Street offices were splashed with red paint in protest on Tuesday 23 December. Shortly afterwards, Swedish activist Greta Thunberg was arrested at the same location under section 13 of the Terrorism Act for holding a sign with the words: "I support Palestine Action prisoners. I oppose genocide."
The direct action campaign against Allianz and Aviva began in October 2024, before the group was proscribed under UK terror law, and involved Palestine Action targeting ten Allianz offices in one day to demand the firm cut ties with Elbit.
Palestine Action activists repeatedly targeted the insurance firms with red paint, flares and Palestinian flags. Allianz and Aviva both threatened Palestine Action with legal action before the group's proscription in July.
Palestine Action co-founder Huda Ammori told Novara Media: "This victory is testament to the power of direct action, and also exemplifies why Palestine Action was proscribed.
"It was banned because it was effective at disrupting the Israeli weapons industry."
Elbit is a key manufacturer of drones and other weapons in Britain used in Israel's genocide in Gaza. Israel has killed at least 70,000 in Gaza since October 2023, including approximately 20,000 children. Gaza is home to more child amputees than anywhere else on Earth.
Allianz confirmed earlier this month that it has "no relationship with Elbit Systems and does not engage in any investment or underwriting activity connected to the Middle East".
That is only a small part of the picture and is a win in that they are acknowledging Elbit's complicity. Allianz providing employer liability insurance for Elbit UK so that has ended.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Patrick Murphy doesn't miss the GAA hierarchy in his column in the Irish News today on this issue.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 01:35:00 PMThat is only a small part of the picture and is a win in that they are acknowledging Elbit's complicity. Allianz providing employer liability insurance for Elbit UK so that has ended.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Patrick Murphy doesn't miss the GAA hierarchy in his column in the Irish News today on this issue.
Can you put up the article?
https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=<URL>
Sort if explains it well,as i wasnt really paying attention on what the Allianz issue was.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Can only read first line. That's all I got myself earlier too.
Found it on X
@GaelsAgainstGen account
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
Good article. Captain Contrarian made me really want to read it
What I don't get is the continuing 70k dead total.. 70k was the total in or around mid-2024. We're entering 2026 next week
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
As I said already, (multiple times) get rid of them and others.
Wouldn't go to too many games.
Can the big supporters (supporting counties) get their money back if not going next year?
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Quote from: Main Street on December 28, 2025, 01:33:25 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Are you for real on the British government proscribing Palestine Action? A government that is up to its neck in supporting genocide and has an appaling human rights record including here in Ireland. I knew straight away where you are from with that statement.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Finding a new sponsor needs to be done.. can the league go ahead without a sponsorship?
Leagues went from late 1920s to 1990s without sponsors.
How much do GAA get from All***z?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 10:47:17 AMLeagues went from late 1920s to 1990s without sponsors.
How much do GAA get from All***z?
I think I read it as 10 million
ONE million maybe?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 05:36:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Not to the point where the UN specifically called them out.
Is whataboutery the new attack? Soccer and rugby are at it too?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2025/03/11/aviva-palestine-action-protest/
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 06:41:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 05:36:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Not to the point where the UN specifically called them out.
Is whataboutery the new attack? Soccer and rugby are at it too?
Have you been to the Aviva recently?
Principles or money simple choice
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on December 28, 2025, 07:55:00 PMPrinciples or money simple choice
It is, some people though see that it's ok for some involvement over various things they would use daily by having a pop at an association they have no interest in
Hate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
Quote from: naka on December 29, 2025, 09:21:11 AMHate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
When did the GAA drop Aviva?
In August this year Aviva became the official partner for all ClubberTV coverage for the 2025/2026 season, marking its first significant move into direct GAA sponsorship, specifically at the local, club level.
As for 'nothing in the world is untainted'. What does that even mean? Everything in the world is tainted? 🤷
Quote from: naka on December 29, 2025, 09:21:11 AMHate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
The FAI got a vote at UEFA level to expel Israel to be fair. They are listening to their members.
Aviva may be at it, but Allianz are the biggest offenders. The UN called them out.
We are playing into Burns's propaganda- they are all the same.
If you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
That's whataboutery. Allianz backs Israeli bonds
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
Whataboutery. I'm not personally boycotting all and any business that does business in Israel, and the mobile phone thing has been debunked. Being the biggest investor in war bonds and investing in Israeli weapons startups is a different thing.
Quote from: seafoid on December 29, 2025, 12:02:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
That's whataboutery. Allianz backs Israeli bonds
Is it? I'm nearly sure there is a list that posters have put up on here asking people to not use, the same thing as we are asking the GAA to step away from Allianz.. You are putting a hierarchy on it
HP Dell Cisco to name a few, Coca-Cola Axa another on the list.. Quite an extensive list
In an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
Quote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
Much too level headed a response from this one.
Quote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
Other than journalists and those in the media does anyone call the National football league the Allianz leagues?
Same question about the many county grounds that have added sponsors to the name of their stadiums.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy which determines how much dealings a company has with Israel before we should stop using their services/products?
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
While huge companies are facilitating genocide and need challenged, for many many the GAA is us, who we are. It's not some big company that belongs to Jarlath Burns and suits in Croke Park. If you understand the ethos of the GAA which is build on our clubs and communities, we will not be forced into supporting this merger, the full extent of which was revealed this year. It is GAA people leading this campaign to end the Allianz sponsorship.. Colm O'Rourke, Dr David Hickey, Nodlaig Brolly, Damian O'Hagan and many more.. The GPA needs to man up..
Quote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy which determines how much dealings a company has with Israel before we should stop using their services/products?
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
You talk pure keek! Either they are or they are not! If they are not involved then Aviva isn't under any pressure. You can't have well percentage wise Allianz is higher..
And now it's sports washing? When did that change?
Key Aspects of Aviva's Connection to Israel:
Investments: Aviva holds investments (stocks, bonds) in various global companies, some of which have operations or ties to Israel or settlements, drawing criticism from pro-Palestinian groups.
Ethical & ESG Policies: As a large investor, Aviva has environmental, social, and governance (ESG) criteria, and campaigns pressure them to align these with Palestinian rights, leading to divestment announcements from specific companies.
Specific Divestments: In late 2023/early 2024, Aviva pledged to sell holdings in companies like Elbit Systems (Israeli defense tech) and others with links to settlements, responding to pressure.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
The rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 29, 2025, 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
There's not.. just ban them all?
Quote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 29, 2025, 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Interesting that they all sat on the fence until head office made the call...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:55:22 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Sport washing is using sport to clean up a tarnished image.. Israel ain't bothered so it's not trying or even close to doing that.
Have you a list of acceptable products that Israel profit from? Aviva seems to be ok, so we'll start with that one
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:56:30 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 29, 2025, 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Interesting that they all sat on the fence until head office made the call...
Tbh I don't understand your comment. Who all sat on the fence? Which head office? You've lost me 🤷
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 10:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:55:22 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Sport washing is using sport to clean up a tarnished image.. Israel ain't bothered so it's not trying or even close to doing that.
Have you a list of acceptable products that Israel profit from? Aviva seems to be ok, so we'll start with that one
Allianz are.
We are talking about Allianz, their sponsorship of the GAA and the GAA's refusal to review it. If you want to play whataboutery open another thread
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 29, 2025, 10:49:53 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:56:30 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 29, 2025, 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Interesting that they all sat on the fence until head office made the call...
Tbh I don't understand your comment. Who all sat on the fence? Which head office? You've lost me 🤷
This was discussed on the GPA thread.not one poster defended Allianz or the GAA's relationship with them.
Then Burns defends the deal, using claims even Alluanz didn't make and suddenly a group of posters, some very infrequent contributors, are vehemently defending Croke Park.
It's unusual.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 12:23:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 10:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:55:22 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Sport washing is using sport to clean up a tarnished image.. Israel ain't bothered so it's not trying or even close to doing that.
Have you a list of acceptable products that Israel profit from? Aviva seems to be ok, so we'll start with that one
Allianz are.
We are talking about Allianz, their sponsorship of the GAA and the GAA's refusal to review it. If you want to play whataboutery open another thread
It's not it's basically a thread made by someone who consistently batters the GAA. That's fair enough. Open a thread on that.
The GAA has plenty of knockers on here and have plenty saying Allianz need to go, but that's across the board of all sports.
You suit yourself with regards to soccer and its faults and use plenty of whataboutery when pulled on it.
But that's ok
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2025, 02:47:19 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 12:23:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 29, 2025, 10:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 08:55:22 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 29, 2025, 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 29, 2025, 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Sport washing is using sport to clean up a tarnished image.. Israel ain't bothered so it's not trying or even close to doing that.
Have you a list of acceptable products that Israel profit from? Aviva seems to be ok, so we'll start with that one
Allianz are.
We are talking about Allianz, their sponsorship of the GAA and the GAA's refusal to review it. If you want to play whataboutery open another thread
It's not it's basically a thread made by someone who consistently batters the GAA. That's fair enough. Open a thread on that.
The GAA has plenty of knockers on here and have plenty saying Allianz need to go, but that's across the board of all sports.
You suit yourself with regards to soccer and its faults and use plenty of whataboutery when pulled on it.
But that's ok
I opened this to gauge opinion on the members here and try and look at other points of view. I do not give a shit about soccer or rugby.
This conversation on a GAA board about the GAA is about the GAA. Saying 'but look at soccer' especially when objectively they haven't the same exposure is pathetic and convientely lets Croke Park off the hook.
It's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
It wouldn't take me long to find your whataboutety on the soccer/GAA topics.
But I'll not embarrass you
Just be up front and say you have serious problems with the GAA, as in you don't like them? Saves you all the hassle of of trying to be smart
Quote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:02:15 PMIt's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
Internally? Members opinions don't count and by definition should be ignored? There will be pickets at league games, and some members won't pass them.
But the core point is Allianz are an outllier. Their level of funding of the war is bigger than any other company. Complaining that soccer has a naming deal with Aviva, who 'merely' sell insurance in Israel is a deliberate missing of the point. And interestingly only became a talking point on here after Burns used the line that they are all as bad as each other.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2025, 04:05:18 PMIt wouldn't take me long to find your whataboutety on the soccer/GAA topics.
But I'll not embarrass you
Just be up front and say you have serious problems with the GAA, as in you don't like them? Saves you all the hassle of of trying to be smart
What a cop out.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitic. Criticism of the deal and Burn's justification of it means you hate the GAA. Jaysis.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:09:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:02:15 PMIt's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
Internally? Members opinions don't count and by definition should be ignored? There will be pickets at league games, and some members won't pass them.
But the core point is Allianz are an outllier. Their level of funding of the war is bigger than any other company. Complaining that soccer has a naming deal with Aviva, who 'merely' sell insurance in Israel is a deliberate missing of the point. And interestingly only became a talking point on here after Burns used the line that they are all as bad as each other.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:09:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:02:15 PMIt's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
Internally? Members opinions don't count and by definition should be ignored? There will be pickets at league games, and some members won't pass them.
But the core point is Allianz are an outllier. Their level of funding of the war is bigger than any other company. Complaining that soccer has a naming deal with Aviva, who 'merely' sell insurance in Israel is a deliberate missing of the point. And interestingly only became a talking point on here after Burns used the line that they are all as bad as each other.
Who said members opinions don't count? Some members expressed an opinion, the matter was discussed at national level and a decision reached that their opinion didn't merit changing the position on the deal in place.
If there are pickets at league games, some members won't pass them but I'm sure many will.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:10:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2025, 04:05:18 PMIt wouldn't take me long to find your whataboutety on the soccer/GAA topics.
But I'll not embarrass you
Just be up front and say you have serious problems with the GAA, as in you don't like them? Saves you all the hassle of of trying to be smart
What a cop out.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitic. Criticism of the deal and Burn's justification of it means you hate the GAA. Jaysis.
Criticism of any company involved with Israel is justified.
For some reason other companies get a pass. I've highlighted plenty Aviva have done but you conveniently washed over them..
So please stop with your false concern over things happening in Isreal..
Quote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:19:02 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:09:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:02:15 PMIt's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
Internally? Members opinions don't count and by definition should be ignored? There will be pickets at league games, and some members won't pass them.
But the core point is Allianz are an outllier. Their level of funding of the war is bigger than any other company. Complaining that soccer has a naming deal with Aviva, who 'merely' sell insurance in Israel is a deliberate missing of the point. And interestingly only became a talking point on here after Burns used the line that they are all as bad as each other.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:09:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on December 30, 2025, 04:02:15 PMIt's not about "look at soccer" though.
It's look at all other aspects of society that deal with Israel in some form or another.
The question posed at the start of the thread asks if the GAA should or shouldn't drop its deal with Allianz.
It's easy enough to acknowledge that what's happening in Israel is wrong while at the same time maintain the opinion that, no, the GAA shouldn't be pressured (either internally or externally) into taking some sort of lead in discontinuing its dealings with a company who profit from dealing with Israel.
Internally? Members opinions don't count and by definition should be ignored? There will be pickets at league games, and some members won't pass them.
But the core point is Allianz are an outllier. Their level of funding of the war is bigger than any other company. Complaining that soccer has a naming deal with Aviva, who 'merely' sell insurance in Israel is a deliberate missing of the point. And interestingly only became a talking point on here after Burns used the line that they are all as bad as each other.
Who said members opinions don't count? Some members expressed an opinion, the matter was discussed at national level and a decision reached that their opinion didn't merit changing the position on the deal in place.
If there are pickets at league games, some members won't pass them but I'm sure many will.
You did.
The EIC report is littered with contradictions and false statements. It effectively misrepresented the 800 members who raised it. But in Croke Park we trust!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2025, 04:24:14 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 30, 2025, 04:10:50 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 30, 2025, 04:05:18 PMIt wouldn't take me long to find your whataboutety on the soccer/GAA topics.
But I'll not embarrass you
Just be up front and say you have serious problems with the GAA, as in you don't like them? Saves you all the hassle of of trying to be smart
What a cop out.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitic. Criticism of the deal and Burn's justification of it means you hate the GAA. Jaysis.
Criticism of any company involved with Israel is justified.
For some reason other companies get a pass. I've highlighted plenty Aviva have done but you conveniently washed over them..
So please stop with your false concern over things happening in Isreal..
Nobody is getting a pass. But there are levels of complicity and Allianz are top of the heap. So much so the UN called them out.
Grassroots soccer put in a motion to the FAI, it got accepted and voted through. UEFA now are obliged to vote on expelling Israel.
Grassroots GAA put in a complaint, the EIC report over ruled them, no vote. No change.
But yeah, soccer are the problem. Let's talk about them instead. Ffs lads.
Will the motion passed by 7 or 8 Counties, including my own, be on the Congress Clár?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 30, 2025, 05:52:16 PMWill the motion passed by 7 or 8 Counties, including my own, be on the Congress Clár?
As of now, no. The decision has been taken.
Anything with a whiff of Zionism should be dumped immediately.
Quote from: thejuice on December 30, 2025, 10:47:01 PMAnything with a whiff of Zionism should be dumped immediately.
Nope... only a sniff of GAA should.. bb2 has decreed it ;D
Down great Colm McAlarney doesn't miss the 'mandarins in Croke Park' in a letter in today's (Wednesday) Irish News, on their decision to stick with Allianz. Kenny Archer also writes a strong column on the issue also scathing of Jarlath and the suits.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 31, 2025, 01:15:01 AMDown great Colm McAlarney doesn't miss the 'mandarins in Croke Park' in a letter in today's (Wednesday) Irish News, on their decision to stick with Allianz. Kenny Archer also writes a strong column on the issue also scathing of Jarlath and the suits.
Anti GAA bigots
So, ultimately, why did the GAA retain Allianz?
From what's been written , I'm thinking it's because it would have cost too much money to break the contract?
Then make a decision not to renew when contract up.
In the meantime take the GAA's Insurance business elsewhere.
Like anything there's always things at play the we, the members or the general public don't know, in terms of the conditions of the contract and penalties that may arise from terminating the contract.
I can't see it being as easy as we'd like. That said, a statement saying it won't be renewed as Ross said, would give a better impression to what is being said..
Any big contract (I'm not saying it's the case here btw) but let's just say I've seen people benefit from arranging contracts with lovely 'gifts' ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on December 31, 2025, 01:11:58 PMThen make a decision not to renew when contract up.
In the meantime take the GAA's Insurance business elsewhere.
Kenny Archer quoted the GAA President saying it was 2030 for the end of contact in the Irish News.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 28, 2025, 09:41:00 AMQuote from: Main Street on December 28, 2025, 01:33:25 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Are you for real on the British government proscribing Palestine Action? A government that is up to its neck in supporting genocide and has an appaling human rights record including here in Ireland. I knew straight away where you are from with that statement.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Yes I am for real, what part of this statement do you dispute?
'Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday (Dec 24th) that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests.'Middle East Eye (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests) Israel's Genocide in Gaza.
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I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Are you for real on the British government proscribing Palestine Action? A government that is up to its neck in supporting genocide and has an appaling human rights record including here in Ireland. I knew straight away where you are from with that statement.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Yes I am for real, what part of this statement do you dispute? 'Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday (Dec 24th) that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests.'
Middle East Eye (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests) Israel's Genocide in Gaza.
Read the press.. keep up. Is loads of evidence of Allianz complicity.
Allianz invests in ThyssenKrupp, a German company. Out of the top 4 global insurers, only Allianz and Aviva were still investing in this company by Feb. 2025. Allianz was by far the largest investor at $13,900,000.
In spite of an appeal by UN experts for the Germany company to cease the transfer of arms to Israel, it took cover under German domestic law.
In November 2024, Oliver Burkhard, CEO of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, emphasized the significance of the event: "With Israel, we share a long-standing partnership built on trust and mutual respect." Guests from Germany and Israel attended the ceremony to launch a state of the art AIP submarine for the IOF, "further symbolizing the close ties between the two nations."
In June 2025, Norway's biggest pension fund, KLP, dropped Germany's ThyssenKrupp from its investment portfolio for selling weapons and equipment used by Israel's military in Gaza.
"Companies have an independent duty to exercise due diligence in order to avoid complicity in violations of fundamental human rights and humanitarian law," Kiran Aziz, head of responsible investments at KLP Asset Management, said in a statement.
"Sale of weapons to states in armed conflicts that use the weapons in ways that represent serious and systematic breaches of international law governing the conflicts."
KLP sold its investment in ThyssenKrupp worth 10 million kroner. That's what an ethical business decision looks like.
#dropallianz #Congress2026
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 03, 2026, 09:55:19 PMQuote from: Main Street on January 03, 2026, 09:46:54 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 28, 2025, 09:41:00 AMQuote from: Main Street on December 28, 2025, 01:33:25 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Are you for real on the British government proscribing Palestine Action? A government that is up to its neck in supporting genocide and has an appaling human rights record including here in Ireland. I knew straight away where you are from with that statement.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Yes I am for real, what part of this statement do you dispute? 'Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday (Dec 24th) that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests.'
Middle East Eye (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests) Israel's Genocide in Gaza.
Read the press.. keep up. Is loads of evidence of Allianz complicity.
Allianz invests in ThyssenKrupp, a German company. Out of the top 4 global insurers, only Allianz and Aviva were still investing in this company by Feb. 2025. Allianz was by far the largest investor at $13,900,000.
In spite of an appeal by UN experts for the Germany company to cease the transfer of arms to Israel, it took cover under German domestic law.
In November 2024, Oliver Burkhard, CEO of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, emphasized the significance of the event: "With Israel, we share a long-standing partnership built on trust and mutual respect." Guests from Germany and Israel attended the ceremony to launch a state of the art AIP submarine for the IOF, "further symbolizing the close ties between the two nations."
In June 2025, Norway's biggest pension fund, KLP, dropped Germany's ThyssenKrupp from its investment portfolio for selling weapons and equipment used by Israel's military in Gaza.
"Companies have an independent duty to exercise due diligence in order to avoid complicity in violations of fundamental human rights and humanitarian law," Kiran Aziz, head of responsible investments at KLP Asset Management, said in a statement.
"Sale of weapons to states in armed conflicts that use the weapons in ways that represent serious and systematic breaches of international law governing the conflicts."
KLP sold its investment in ThyssenKrupp worth 10 million kroner. That's what an ethical business decision looks like.
#dropallianz #Congress2026
Are you the most thick GAA board member?
An absolute moron?
Perhaps that accolade is not in dispute as in there is no question.
From December 24th 'Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday
(Dec 24th) that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests.'
Mr/Mrs/Ms Main Street:
I'll tell you what I'll do... I'll tell Francesca Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur and leading barrister Nodlaig Brolly, Dr David Hickey and Colm O'Rourke and Brendan Devenny and Damian O'Hagan and Pascal Canavan and nine GAA county boards and a raft of newspaper columnists (including Patrick Kelly, Kenny Archer and Cahair O'Kane) and many more to withdraw their objections and call off protests to Congress because there's a boy or girl? on a discussion board called Main Street or lives on Main Street says the case is now defunct and he comes back a week later very cross with personal insults and information that he has no source for calling names and defending Allianz. Maybe he works for them or a complicit multinational in the 26! Me thinks he doth protest too much.
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 04, 2026, 10:43:57 AMMr/Mrs/Ms Main Street:
I'll tell you what I'll do... I'll tell Francesca Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur and leading barrister Nodlaig Brolly, Dr David Hickey and Colm O'Rourke and Brendan Devenny and Damian O'Hagan and Pascal Canavan and nine GAA county boards and a raft of newspaper columnists (including Patrick Kelly, Kenny Archer and Cahair O'Kane) and many more to withdraw their objections and call off protests to Congress because there's a boy or girl? on a discussion board called Main Street or lives on Main Street says the case is now defunct and he comes back a week later very cross with personal insults and information that he has no source for calling names and defending Allianz. Maybe he works for them or a complicit multinational in the 26! Me thinks he doth protest too much.
It's actually worse. None of them defended Allianz on here until the blazers decided what they decided. Then, and only then, did their defence begin. It isn't about protesting. It's the behaviour of lickspittles and toadies.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 06, 2026, 10:05:04 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 04, 2026, 10:43:57 AMMr/Mrs/Ms Main Street:
I'll tell you what I'll do... I'll tell Francesca Albanese, the UN Special Rapporteur and leading barrister Nodlaig Brolly, Dr David Hickey and Colm O'Rourke and Brendan Devenny and Damian O'Hagan and Pascal Canavan and nine GAA county boards and a raft of newspaper columnists (including Patrick Kelly, Kenny Archer and Cahair O'Kane) and many more to withdraw their objections and call off protests to Congress because there's a boy or girl? on a discussion board called Main Street or lives on Main Street says the case is now defunct and he comes back a week later very cross with personal insults and information that he has no source for calling names and defending Allianz. Maybe he works for them or a complicit multinational in the 26! Me thinks he doth protest too much.
It's actually worse. None of them defended Allianz on here until the blazers decided what they decided. Then, and only then, did their defence begin. It isn't about protesting. It's the behaviour of lickspittles and toadies.
👍 Exactly that: lickspittles.
GPA considering the issue of Allianz.. be interesting to see their response.
"Cork icons Jimmy Barry Murphy and Dr Con Murphy, Down's Colm McAlarney, Kerry's first Allstar, Donie O'Sullivan, Tyrone's Damian O'Hagan, and Dublin footballers past and present, Dr David Hickey and David Byrne, have all backed the detailed call for an end to the GAA-Allianz relationship.
Derry camogie captain Aoife Ni Chaiside and former Donegal footballer Brendan Devenney are also leading lights in the human rights advocacy group.
Its chair, Michael Doherty has said that the GAA's decision to continue its sponsorship and insurance contracts with Allianz "cannot be justified at this critical moment for international law, peace, and human rights.
The human rights advocacy group has contacted the Gaelic Players Association asking it to circulate to all its members the document outlining opposition to the GAA's ongoing involvements with Allianz Ireland.
The GAA re-iterated that the EIC report will be published but has not confirmed when that will occur.
However, Gaels against Genocide in Gaza chair Doherty, in his email to GPA chief executive Tom Parsons, stated:
"It is not an acceptable explanation and the decision cannot be justified at this critical moment for international law, peace and human rights.
"In accordance with its values and ethos, the GAA should be a humanitarian organisation, independent of the State and consistent in its compliance with international law."
The GPA discusses all issues arising from GAA Management Committee and Central Council meetings as a matter of course, and its executive will consider the GAA's decision relating to the EIC report.
Gaels against Genocide in Gaza initiated their 'Drop Allianz' campaign in June 2025, as a humanitarian campaign aimed at ensuring compliance with international law in this time of genocide.
They organised a petition that was signed by almost 800 inter-county players, past and present and handed into the Croke Park Executive last August.
Saval Club calling for Down to not play NFL/NHL games if Allianz remain as sponsors.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 08, 2026, 08:53:03 PMSaval Club calling for Down to not play NFL/NHL games if Allianz remain as sponsors.
Fair play.
Probably come down to player power rather than what the Counties want..
If there is enough will out there then it'll happen
There will be ramifications for the counties but if the majority go with it then it will have to be revisited again..
Croke will have a huge headache if there are other implications like breach of contracts, these will of course have knock on effects further down the road
Motion to withdraw Down from National Leagues in protest of Allianz sponsorship to go before county committee
https://x.com/irish_news/status/2009308112700748171
Quote from: seafoid on January 09, 2026, 11:20:02 AMMotion to withdraw Down from National Leagues in protest of Allianz sponsorship to go before county committee
https://x.com/irish_news/status/2009308112700748171
An absolute nonsense by the Saval club.
Players wont commit to play Tailteann Cup. Do these clowns think these things through.
No one disputes the attrocities in Gaza. But Down withdrawing their Teams is going to achieve what exactly.
Hopefully common sense will prevail.
If every club and then county did the same the GAA would have to act, fair play to Saval.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2026, 11:36:55 AMIf every club and then county did the same the GAA would have to act, fair play to Saval.
But they won't. Because when push comes to shove we don't go to national league games because of Allianz. We don't refer to it as the "Allianz" (a la Heineken Cup). It's a football /hurling league. Pulling out of it because of a sponsor is somewhere in between self flagellation and virtue signalling. Only yourself suffers.
With the voting manoeuvres that can be pulled at county board meetings/ conventions need to be careful. People get carried away and vote with their emotions and Down withdraw from the NFL - to be followed by absolutely no one.
I could see some games being interrupted by fleggers
The GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
Very unlikely to go through but a great statement from Saval. The GAA hierarchy will get their fill of it over this in the coming months though I can't see a players refusal to play.
Who's going to lift those cups with Allianz ribbons hanging on them?
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
Fair play to them for putting their name to it. The statement from the GAA was nonsense and an embarrassment to Gaels.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world as long as you get to your match 🙄
Fair play to anyone making a stand imo.
Which clubs won't back this motion? This will be a disaster for the GAA when it passes.
Why would it pass? Down vote themselves out of the NFL with the hope that others will follow suit? I don't think so.
Quote from: Sheedy on January 09, 2026, 04:20:53 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world as long as you get to your match 🙄
Fair play to anyone making a stand imo.
Yeah cause Down pulling out of the leagues will force Israels hand.
These tokenism knobheads need to cop on.
Its a staggering level of exaggeration to say that this is to force Israel's hand....absolute nonsense comment which seeks to belittle a genuine concern from a well respected club. This is about putting the issue and the GAA's handling of it back into the news spotlight so that it doesn't get forgotten and glossed over.
I would say Down potentially pulling out of a league competition that they've competed in for over 50 / 60 (?) odd years is the polar opposite of tokenism.
Not that I think it will happen but I'm genuinely interested to see what transpires now at the county board level and I applaud Saval for sticking their collective heads above the parapet.
It was meant as an exaggeration. Like 99% of match going GAA people i just want to go to games. By all means those that want to can demonstrate with their feet.
Hopefully the other clubs in Down will have the common sense.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Quote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 05:52:11 PMQuote from: Sheedy on January 09, 2026, 04:20:53 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world as long as you get to your match 🙄
Fair play to anyone making a stand imo.
Yeah cause Down pulling out of the leagues will force Israels hand.
These tokenism knobheads need to cop on.
What will force Israel's hand? You can only do what you can do. Getting a company out of the GAA that is complicit in funding genocide is the right thing to do. 'Tokenism knobheads'... shameful comment.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 05:52:11 PMQuote from: Sheedy on January 09, 2026, 04:20:53 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world as long as you get to your match 🙄
Fair play to anyone making a stand imo.
Yeah cause Down pulling out of the leagues will force Israels hand.
These tokenism knobheads need to cop on.
It's doing a small thing thats within their power. If everyone across the world took small actions it would make a big difference.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 07:31:59 PMQuote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
We aren't doing enough.
How dare they do something.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 07:31:59 PMQuote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
Zzz zzz zzz
Quote from: JoG2 on January 10, 2026, 10:34:24 AMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 07:31:59 PMQuote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
Zzz zzz zzz
Don't think its political it's just basic human decency.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2026, 11:45:22 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 09, 2026, 11:36:55 AMIf every club and then county did the same the GAA would have to act, fair play to Saval.
But they won't. Because when push comes to shove we don't go to national league games because of Allianz. We don't refer to it as the "Allianz" (a la Heineken Cup). It's a football /hurling league. Pulling out of it because of a sponsor is somewhere in between self flagellation and virtue signalling. Only yourself suffers.
The same criticisms were laid at the feet of the Dunnes Stores strikers on Henry Street during S.African apartheid. "Virtue singalling". "Only hurting yourselves". "Will achieve nothing". Probably would have been called "knobheads" the likes of yourself back then too, had the term existed in the mid 80s. But the most effective protests against injustice have always been the ones that involved sacrifice and "hurting" ones self. The women in that strike survived for the almost 3 year duration of it on £21 a week; one had had her home repossessed. They stuck at it.
Turns out the stand taken by that handful of women standing outside Dunnes on Henry street led directly to the southern government becoming the first in the western world to ban the import of South African goods and the snowball grew from there and ended in the fall of Apartheid. Today there's a street in Soweto named after Mary Manning and the women were all invited to Mandela's funeral.
Nobody is suggesting that Saval's motion will end Isreal's genocide. The Dunnes Strikers didn't envisage their strike was going to be a catalyst for what followed. They just wanted to do the right thing, and there's no wrong time do do the right thing.
I'll support Saval's motion. You can keep calling them "tokenistic knobheads" if that makes you feel good.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 07:31:59 PMQuote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
1. Sport is always political.
2. Protesting a genocide is not political. It's humanitarian.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 07:31:59 PMQuote from: The Windy Mill on January 09, 2026, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 09, 2026, 02:49:27 PMQuote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2026, 01:30:29 PMThe GAA has ignored county boards opinions and ploughed on. Down could make a huge statement.
I go to league games. I for one think this is a nonsense by Saval.
If the genocide and killing of innocent civilians is to you a nonsense then I hope you make your feelings known to your club rep before Thursday Snoop.
Taken totally out of context, if you read.my initial post, the genocide is terrible, and that the west sits back and let's it happen
What is nonsense is the motion. Keep politics out of sport.
End of conversation for me.
Such mealy mouthed watery nonsense. Sport is part of life and is not a refuge for those funding genocide. Grow a set...
One team per NFL game should line out in the Palestine GAA strip, that would throw the cat amongst the pigeons. If even one county did it
Irish News reporting that anti-Allianz motions won't be allowed to go before annual GAA Congress next month.
Neil McManus suggesting 'politically aware' players should make protest gestures during the league and Pascal Canavan saying he can't see how any captain could lift an Allianz trophy this year.
League about to be a PR disaster for GAA/Allianz sponsorship.
Leading campaigners are furious.
QuoteIrish News reporting that anti-Allianz motions won't be allowed to go before annual GAA Congress next month.
Neil McManus suggesting 'politically aware' players should make protest gestures during the league and Pascal Canavan saying he can't see how any captain could lift an Allianz trophy this year.
League about to be a PR disaster for GAA/Allianz sponsorship.
Leading campaigners are furious.
Is that allowed?
Surely If an anti-Allianz motion has gone through all the democratic processes , it should be heard at congress?
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 14, 2026, 12:42:58 PMQuoteIrish News reporting that anti-Allianz motions won't be allowed to go before annual GAA Congress next month.
Neil McManus suggesting 'politically aware' players should make protest gestures during the league and Pascal Canavan saying he can't see how any captain could lift an Allianz trophy this year.
League about to be a PR disaster for GAA/Allianz sponsorship.
Leading campaigners are furious.
Is that allowed?
Surely If an anti-Allianz motion has gone through all the democratic processes , it should be heard at congress?
Like most things its only a democracy when it suits
See Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Looking for GAA to make a donation to Gaza.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
that's not what happened. You have really shown yourself up on this matter. Pity you didn't have a bit of common sense yourself.
Quote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
Unfortunately I think you are being serious
Quote from: Sheedy on January 15, 2026, 10:16:34 PMQuote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
that's not what happened. You have really shown yourself up on this matter. Pity you didn't have a bit of common sense yourself.
At the end of the day people who go to matches want to go to matches. If other's want to protest that's fine also. I am allowed an opinion. If its not the same as yours that's also fine.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2026, 03:10:43 AMQuote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
Unfortunately I think you are being serious
Snoop is chairman of the 'I'm Alright Jack' club
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2026, 09:05:59 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 16, 2026, 03:10:43 AMQuote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
Unfortunately I think you are being serious
Snoop is chairman of the 'I'm Alright Jack' club
Im not tbh. But my feeling on this particular motion is the harm it would do to Down football and hurling.
Had Down gone ahead and no one else did. Its automatic relegation to Div 4 in football, so at least 2 years Tailteann Cup. Would the management team stay? Would the local sponsors keep with them. Would Players commit? All the progress made in last few years Would go to pot.
The hurlers would lose out on div 1 hurling. May never get there again.
My view is purely Down GAA. Nothing else.
If that doesn't suit your view then so be it. Dont make ascertations of what you think I am. Think of the long term consequences purely to Down GAA and the players.
I agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
Quote from: ardtole on January 16, 2026, 10:11:10 AMI agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
It would have been great if every county had followed suit, but hard to argue with those reasons.
Hope to seen plenty of Palestine flags at league games and refusal of captains to lift trophies with the allianz name attached would be great, even a refusal from players/managers to do interviews in front of the logo.
Quote from: ardtole on January 16, 2026, 10:11:10 AMI agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
have to agree with this. It would need to be a mass pull out, not just one county. That said I wouldnt have minded seeing Down sent to division 4...........
Quote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2026, 07:31:48 PMQuote from: bennydorano on January 15, 2026, 05:01:30 PMSee Saval have withdrew their motion
@McCoyniall - Saval have withdrawn their motion for tonight's Down County Committee meeting calling on the county to withdraw from NFL and NHL.
Got no support from othe clubs. Common sense prevailed.
you still standing by this lie? Don't know where you got that from.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2026, 11:12:40 AMQuote from: ardtole on January 16, 2026, 10:11:10 AMI agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
It would have been great if every county had followed suit, but hard to argue with those reasons.
Hope to seen plenty of Palestine flags at league games and refusal of captains to lift trophies with the allianz name attached would be great, even a refusal from players/managers to do interviews in front of the logo.
100%
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2026, 11:12:40 AMQuote from: ardtole on January 16, 2026, 10:11:10 AMI agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
It would have been great if every county had followed suit, but hard to argue with those reasons.
Hope to seen plenty of Palestine flags at league games and refusal of captains to lift trophies with the allianz name attached would be great, even a refusal from players/managers to do interviews in front of the logo.
I wonder if a county board would be fined if eg. a captain took off the ribbons with the Allianz name on them before lifting the cup.
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 16, 2026, 09:12:38 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2026, 11:12:40 AMQuote from: ardtole on January 16, 2026, 10:11:10 AMI agree snoopdog, im looking forward to going to Newry next Saturday evening. It doesn't mean im not sympathetic to the Gazan people, but Down pulling out of the National League competition made no sense to me at all and would have set us back years for the reasons you mentioned.
It would have been great if every county had followed suit, but hard to argue with those reasons.
Hope to seen plenty of Palestine flags at league games and refusal of captains to lift trophies with the allianz name attached would be great, even a refusal from players/managers to do interviews in front of the logo.
I wonder if a county board would be fined if eg. a captain took off the ribbons with the Allianz name on them before lifting the cup.
That would take b*lls; is there any left??
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/current-players-wont-take-part-in-allianz-league-launch-but-company-insists-this-isnt-linked-to-sponsorship-row/a777706742.html
GAA - Allianz PR disaster incoming... only the beginning.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2026/0119/1553931-dublin-players-planning-allianz-protests-for-leagues/
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 19, 2026, 05:34:41 PMGAA - Allianz PR disaster incoming... only the beginning.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2026/0119/1553931-dublin-players-planning-allianz-protests-for-leagues/
Fair play. Hope the rest can follow suit
Big support from Dublin greats ...
Dear Ger and the Dublin team,
We former Dublin footballers would like to congratulate you on your great moral and courageous protest and your refusal to be complicit with Allianz and the GAA in their complicity in Genocide in GAZA.
This magnificent gesture will mark this team as special . We believe it will also define your team as much more than a group of footballers. It will remember you as a group of young men dared challenge the status quo and use their prominence in Irish life to highlight the atrocities being committed in Gaza.
You are a team of character and principles ... traits that will win you the all Ireland this year.
We former Dublin Footballers salute you and want you to know we are very proud of you
David Hickey, Bobby Doyle,Tommy Drumm, Alan Larkin, Philly Mc Mahon, Paddy O Reilly, Michael Hickey,Pat Gilroy, Michael Dara Mc Cauley, Mickey Whelan, Ian Robertson, Andy Roche, John Caffrey and Norman Bernard .
Well done Dublin. Hope others take the same step
Talk to me like a 3 year old here please. Looking for understanding rather than opinion.
Do AIG operate differently to Allianz when it comes to the Middle East situation?
Quote from: thewobbler on January 20, 2026, 12:48:29 PMTalk to me like a 3 year old here please. Looking for understanding rather than opinion.
Do AIG operate differently to Allianz when it comes to the Middle East situation?
Yes.
They aren't the biggest institutional investor in Israeli war bonds.
Other insurance companies may have operations in Israel, but only one took policy holders funds and directly and unambiguously funded the war effort.
Allianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 01:26:12 PMAllianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Even you understand the difference between having an office in Israel offering car and household insurance and investment in weapons companies and war bonds. So why pretend you don't?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 01:26:12 PMAllianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Even you understand the difference between having an office in Israel offering car and household insurance and investment in weapons companies and war bonds. So why pretend you don't?
I think point is about (overall) not doing any business with Israel, propping up a countries coffers will actually find its way to the war chest
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 02:15:24 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 01:26:12 PMAllianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Even you understand the difference between having an office in Israel offering car and household insurance and investment in weapons companies and war bonds. So why pretend you don't?
I think point is about (overall) not doing any business with Israel, propping up a countries coffers will actually find its way to the war chest
So away you pop and argue that we should boycott any product also available in Israel. No doubt that will somehow bring you to soccer and how poxy they are.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will focus on the GAA sponsor called out by the UN for directly funding genocide that we can'tdebate at Congress.
Lets worry about getting Allianz away before we worry about the rest
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 02:15:24 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 01:26:12 PMAllianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Even you understand the difference between having an office in Israel offering car and household insurance and investment in weapons companies and war bonds. So why pretend you don't?
I think point is about (overall) not doing any business with Israel, propping up a countries coffers will actually find its way to the war chest
So away you pop and argue that we should boycott any product also available in Israel. No doubt that will somehow bring you to soccer and how poxy they are.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will focus on the GAA sponsor called out by the UN for directly funding genocide that we can'tdebate at Congress.
You can't debate at congress as first of, you ain't a member of the association, so hardly in a position to debate with Burnsy
Controversy and Allegations of Complicity: AIG has been highlighted by various watchdog organizations (such as the "Boycott Bloody Insurance" campaign) as part of a group of international insurers and investors allegedly complicit in actions related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, particularly in the Gaza Strip, through underwriting, investments, and insurance of companies with links to the Israeli military.
Controversial Claim Denials: Following the October 7, 2023, attacks, AIG attracted scrutiny for denying travel insurance claims for trips to Israel, classifying the situation as an "act of war" rather than a "terrorist incident," thereby excluding coverage.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 02:28:34 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 02:21:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 02:15:24 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on January 20, 2026, 01:59:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 20, 2026, 01:26:12 PMAllianz are getting done for first degree murder, while AIG are getting the lesser charger of manslaughter ?
Even you understand the difference between having an office in Israel offering car and household insurance and investment in weapons companies and war bonds. So why pretend you don't?
I think point is about (overall) not doing any business with Israel, propping up a countries coffers will actually find its way to the war chest
So away you pop and argue that we should boycott any product also available in Israel. No doubt that will somehow bring you to soccer and how poxy they are.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will focus on the GAA sponsor called out by the UN for directly funding genocide that we can'tdebate at Congress.
You can't debate at congress as first of, you ain't a member of the association, so hardly in a position to debate with Burnsy
Controversy and Allegations of Complicity: AIG has been highlighted by various watchdog organizations (such as the "Boycott Bloody Insurance" campaign) as part of a group of international insurers and investors allegedly complicit in actions related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, particularly in the Gaza Strip, through underwriting, investments, and insurance of companies with links to the Israeli military.
Controversial Claim Denials: Following the October 7, 2023, attacks, AIG attracted scrutiny for denying travel insurance claims for trips to Israel, classifying the situation as an "act of war" rather than a "terrorist incident," thereby excluding coverage.
You would give anadin a headache.
My objection to Allianz as a sponsor does not make me anti GAA. Grow up.
AIG are not implicated in funding war bonds. Even your AIG example is them *not* supporting Israel.
Your whataboutery is tedious.
Beat on the street:
Allianz/ GAA have pulled the launch at Croke tomorrow. Doing it remotely. Paudie Maher and Graham Geraghty are the 'legends' being used.
Can't say I'm surprised at Geraghty... disappointing from Maher though.
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 21, 2026, 06:06:50 PMBeat on the street:
Allianz/ GAA have pulled the launch at Croke tomorrow. Doing it remotely. Paudie Maher and Graham Geraghty are the 'legends' being used.
Can't say I'm surprised at Geraghty... disappointing from Maher though.
"These are my principles, if you don't like them I have others" - Déise
Apparently not true according to Greg McEneaney. Wasn't discussed at all and they don't know where the source for the report came from. That's in today's Irish news
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 22, 2026, 06:14:39 PMApparently not true according to Greg McEneaney. Wasn't discussed at all and they don't know where the source for the report came from. That's in today's Irish news
Not sure what you're saying isn't true... if it's Maher and Geraghty taking part in the launch.. Truthsayer 🤷
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/01/22/players-unlikely-to-be-distracted-in-row-over-allianz-sponsorship-of-national-leagues/
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 22, 2026, 08:25:42 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 22, 2026, 06:14:39 PMApparently not true according to Greg McEneaney. Wasn't discussed at all and they don't know where the source for the report came from. That's in today's Irish news
Not sure what you're saying isn't true... if it's Maher and Geraghty taking part in the launch.. Truthsayer 🤷
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/01/22/players-unlikely-to-be-distracted-in-row-over-allianz-sponsorship-of-national-leagues/
I'm not saying anything. The Irish news were reporting what a Dublin player said
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/dublin-footballer-greg-mceneaney-in-the-dark-about-allianz-branding-boycott-CZHSMYRXMZARVMZ53TN324LTQY/
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 22, 2026, 10:14:01 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 22, 2026, 08:25:42 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 22, 2026, 06:14:39 PMApparently not true according to Greg McEneaney. Wasn't discussed at all and they don't know where the source for the report came from. That's in today's Irish news
Not sure what you're saying isn't true... if it's Maher and Geraghty taking part in the launch.. Truthsayer 🤷
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/01/22/players-unlikely-to-be-distracted-in-row-over-allianz-sponsorship-of-national-leagues/
I'm not saying anything. The Irish news were reporting what a Dublin player said
https://www.irishnews.com/gaa/gaelic-football/dublin-footballer-greg-mceneaney-in-the-dark-about-allianz-branding-boycott-CZHSMYRXMZARVMZ53TN324LTQY/
Ok I thought you were on bout Maher-Geraghty. Aye I seen that report...
I see he also says Dublin can win the Sam Maguire this year... kind of explains where he's at :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 23, 2026, 12:51:36 AMI see he also says Dublin can win the Sam Maguire this year... kind of explains where he's at :D
a fair point haha
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-says-contractual-obligation-means-it-must-keep-allianz-in-title-of-its-gaa-highlights-show/a945045110.html
I'm not going to trawl this entire thread and this may have been pointed out already, but not only do Allianz sponsor the National Leagues they are also the company the GAA has everything insured with.
This doesn't make it right and for me the GAA really need to start looking for a new insurance company as well as league sponsors.
If the GAA stopped all paynents to the GPA they wouldn't need as much sponsorship money
Quote from: JPO on January 29, 2026, 06:57:41 PMIf the GAA stopped all paynents to the GPA they wouldn't need as much sponsorship money
Which is exactly what they are ignoring their members.
If this isn't a union issue what is?
Quote from: johnnycool on January 29, 2026, 03:58:56 PMI'm not going to trawl this entire thread and this may have been pointed out already, but not only do Allianz sponsor the National Leagues they are also the company the GAA has everything insured with.
This doesn't make it right and for me the GAA really need to start looking for a new insurance company as well as league sponsors.
Reality the gaa struggle to get blanket insurance cover for clubs
It's not that attractive .
Quote from: naka on January 29, 2026, 07:36:55 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 29, 2026, 03:58:56 PMI'm not going to trawl this entire thread and this may have been pointed out already, but not only do Allianz sponsor the National Leagues they are also the company the GAA has everything insured with.
This doesn't make it right and for me the GAA really need to start looking for a new insurance company as well as league sponsors.
Reality the gas struggle to get blanket cover for clubs
It's not that attractive .
No matter, everyone will be glad to pay more when they change to someone else.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 29, 2026, 08:49:38 PMQuote from: naka on January 29, 2026, 07:36:55 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 29, 2026, 03:58:56 PMI'm not going to trawl this entire thread and this may have been pointed out already, but not only do Allianz sponsor the National Leagues they are also the company the GAA has everything insured with.
This doesn't make it right and for me the GAA really need to start looking for a new insurance company as well as league sponsors.
Reality the gas struggle to get blanket cover for clubs
It's not that attractive .
No matter, everyone will be glad to pay more when they change to someone else.
Agreed, most would be happy enough to pay a bit more to not in bed with a company that is directly involved in the slaughter of 10s of thousands of children
Hopefully those that got a operation on that cover cough up the money and throw it back in their faces....
There are so many companies invoved with Israel and most of us are giving money to them everyday of the week.
Is Allianz just the easy target while we buy stuff on Amazon and use our HP Computers with Intel Chips and Microsoft office?
No Amazon, Intel or Microsoft Leagues.
Easy to see how the murderous Israeli Government gets away with it if the whole big business world is in their pockets or tied into them in a big way.
Are those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
Why ban gambling firm sponsorship or restrict alcohol firms people can still drink and gamble!!!
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
So it is just an easy target.
I just searched and the AI gave the following list of companies that are helping Israel in one way or another. The only one of them that i previously heard in any conversation in relation to this was McDonalds.
Amazon (AWS) & Google: Provided cloud services to the Israeli government and military under "Project Nimbus".
Microsoft: Provides cloud computing and AI services to the Israeli military and government.
Intel: A major investor in Israel with large manufacturing plants, including a $25 billion expansion project.
Hewlett Packard (HP/HPE): Provides services to the Israeli Population and Immigration Authority and military.
Cisco: Supplies servers and network equipment to the Israeli military.
Palantir: Provides AI and data analysis tools to the Israeli Ministry of Defense.
Nvidia: Expanded its R&D operations in Israel.
Motorola Solutions: Supplies surveillance systems, including to Israeli settlements.
Boeing: Supplies weapons, including JDAM kits for precision bombs.
Caterpillar: Supplies bulldozers (specifically D9) used in the demolition of Palestinian homes.
Volvo: Provides heavy machinery used in the construction of settlements.
Strauss Group/Sabra: Food company providing support to the Israeli military.
McDonald's: The Israeli franchisee supported the military with meals.
Airbnb, Booking.com, Expedia, TripAdvisor: Listed in UN reports for offering rentals in illegal Israeli settlements.
AXA: Insurance giant with investments in Israeli banks.
Barclays: Provides financial services to companies supplying arms to Israel.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 30, 2026, 10:29:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
So it is just an easy target.
I just searched and the AI gave the following list of companies that are helping Israel in one way or another. The only one of them that i previously heard in any conversation in relation to this was McDonalds.
Amazon (AWS) & Google: Provided cloud services to the Israeli government and military under "Project Nimbus".
Microsoft: Provides cloud computing and AI services to the Israeli military and government.
Intel: A major investor in Israel with large manufacturing plants, including a $25 billion expansion project.
Hewlett Packard (HP/HPE): Provides services to the Israeli Population and Immigration Authority and military.
Cisco: Supplies servers and network equipment to the Israeli military.
Palantir: Provides AI and data analysis tools to the Israeli Ministry of Defense.
Nvidia: Expanded its R&D operations in Israel.
Motorola Solutions: Supplies surveillance systems, including to Israeli settlements.
Boeing: Supplies weapons, including JDAM kits for precision bombs.
Caterpillar: Supplies bulldozers (specifically D9) used in the demolition of Palestinian homes.
Volvo: Provides heavy machinery used in the construction of settlements.
Strauss Group/Sabra: Food company providing support to the Israeli military.
McDonald's: The Israeli franchisee supported the military with meals.
Airbnb, Booking.com, Expedia, TripAdvisor: Listed in UN reports for offering rentals in illegal Israeli settlements.
AXA: Insurance giant with investments in Israeli banks.
Barclays: Provides financial services to companies supplying arms to Israel.
is the league sponsored by any of them..
I boycott as much as I can, most people who boycott do this.. just because people cannot boycott everything doesn't mean people should boycott nothing..
Boycotting the entire McDonald's company when it was one franchise owner that gave free burgers to soldiers has to be the most ridiculous thing to come out of this.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 30, 2026, 11:46:09 AMBoycotting the entire McDonald's company when it was one franchise owner that gave free burgers to soldiers has to be the most ridiculous thing to come out of this.
Boycotting McDonalds is easy. It's muck.
As previously said to the forefront of the Allianz campaign are well known GAA players as well as GAA members. I don't think the other companies are sponsoring GAA competitions. GAA is what we are.. supposedly a community organisation not primarily a business enterprise though you would wonder at times.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
Meta are being accused of supplying the IDF information on people in Gaza, so cancel insta, facebook etc.
Samsung has been accused also having an Israeli IDF backed app, Appcloud preinstalled on all phones so get it deleted.
Larry Fink has us all tied up in his Zionist web.
Your phone is a tracking devixe
Quote from: johnnycool on January 30, 2026, 01:34:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
Meta are being accused of supplying the IDF information on people in Gaza, so cancel insta, facebook etc.
Samsung has been accused also having an Israeli IDF backed app, Appcloud preinstalled on all phones so get it deleted.
Larry Fink has us all tied up in his Zionist web.
Your phone is a tracking devixe
Some whataboutary there.... so whatabout as GAA members do nothing about a company complicit and funding genocide being sponsors of our major leagues? Zionism seems to own half the world but we are the GAA. Do they have to own us as well? #DropAllianz
Those other things are individual choices. If you wish to support them and ignore Allianz role in the GAA you're free to do.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 30, 2026, 09:20:24 AMThere are so many companies invoved with Israel and most of us are giving money to them everyday of the week.
Is Allianz just the easy target while we buy stuff on Amazon and use our HP Computers with Intel Chips and Microsoft office?
How many of those companies sponsor the GAA?
We will repeat. There is a difference between a company operating in Israel as part of normal commerce and a company directly funding the genocide via war bonds and providing seed capital for a weapons company.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 30, 2026, 01:34:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
Meta are being accused of supplying the IDF information on people in Gaza, so cancel insta, facebook etc.
Samsung has been accused also having an Israeli IDF backed app, Appcloud preinstalled on all phones so get it deleted.
Larry Fink has us all tied up in his Zionist web.
Your phone is a tracking devixe
My phone doesn't sponsor the GAA.
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 30, 2026, 02:02:56 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 30, 2026, 01:34:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AMAre those other companies directly funding the genocide like Allianz are? Surely boycotting one complicit company is better than none? If we can all do a small bit it would soon add up.
Meta are being accused of supplying the IDF information on people in Gaza, so cancel insta, facebook etc.
Samsung has been accused also having an Israeli IDF backed app, Appcloud preinstalled on all phones so get it deleted.
Larry Fink has us all tied up in his Zionist web.
Your phone is a tracking devixe
Some whataboutary there.... so whatabout as GAA members do nothing about a company complicit and funding genocide being sponsors of our major leagues? Zionism seems to own half the world but we are the GAA. Do they have to own us as well? #DropAllianz
Those other things are individual choices. If you wish to support them and ignore Allianz role in the GAA you're free to do.
You're misunderstanding the point I'm making, I'm not saying to stick with Allianz, but whoever the GAA does decide to go with for insurance, let alone league sponsors will at some level have a link to one of the three big financing outfits, Blackrock, Vanguard etc and they've all got a lot of Zionist links.
Kerry Group supply the Israeli Army with food. No talk of boycotts in Kerry.
Kellogg's supply the Israeli army with breakfast cereals. Any parents stop their kids going around with Kellogg's emblazoned Cúl Camp gear?
Quote from: blanketattack on January 30, 2026, 03:02:27 PMKerry Group supply the Israeli Army with food. No talk of boycotts in Kerry.
Kellogg's supply the Israeli army with breakfast cereals. Any parents stop their kids going around with Kellogg's emblazoned Cúl Camp gear?
No they don't.
The Israeli army buy Kellogs cereal and food from a local company that sells Kerry food on licence.
This is not the same thing as investing in war bonds.
Ah jaysis Score Beo is partnered with Allianz now to :-X
Think Allianz does Aer Lingus insurance as well...how will that sit for Connacht championship with London and the New York game?
Will GPA comment on that I wonder?
Unless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:17:16 PMUnless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Not really true though. There are many protests in stores selling goods linked to Israel as well as raising awareness of boycotts including Coca Cola and McDonalds. If people individually decide to support these companies not much can be done to stop them.
The GAA supporting Allianz is an entire national sporting organisation that tens of thousands of us belong to. Not in our name.
This whataboutary is tedious.
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 02:22:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:17:16 PMUnless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Not really true though. There are many protests in stores selling goods linked to Israel as well as raising awareness of boycotts including Coca Cola and McDonalds. If people individually decide to support these companies not much can be done to stop them.
The GAA supporting Allianz is an entire national sporting organisation that tens of thousands of us belong to. Not in our name.
This whataboutary is tedious.
Its not whataboutery if we are talking about boycotting good/companies linked to Israel
Its a hierarchy point, and btw I'm all over getting rid of Allianz, but save me the ah but parts to the rest of the arguments
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:59:46 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 02:22:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:17:16 PMUnless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Not really true though. There are many protests in stores selling goods linked to Israel as well as raising awareness of boycotts including Coca Cola and McDonalds. If people individually decide to support these companies not much can be done to stop them.
The GAA supporting Allianz is an entire national sporting organisation that tens of thousands of us belong to. Not in our name.
This whataboutary is tedious.
Its not whataboutery if we are talking about boycotting good/companies linked to Israel
Its a hierarchy point, and btw I'm all over getting rid of Allianz, but save me the ah but parts to the rest of the arguments
What 'ah but' parts? What hierarchy point? No idea what you're on about. You're reply makes no connection to your original comment were you stated that "Unless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go"... which is blatantly untrue.
Quote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 03:11:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:59:46 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 02:22:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:17:16 PMUnless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Not really true though. There are many protests in stores selling goods linked to Israel as well as raising awareness of boycotts including Coca Cola and McDonalds. If people individually decide to support these companies not much can be done to stop them.
The GAA supporting Allianz is an entire national sporting organisation that tens of thousands of us belong to. Not in our name.
This whataboutary is tedious.
Its not whataboutery if we are talking about boycotting good/companies linked to Israel
Its a hierarchy point, and btw I'm all over getting rid of Allianz, but save me the ah but parts to the rest of the arguments
What 'ah but' parts? What hierarchy point? No idea what you're on about. You're reply makes no connection to your original comment were you stated that "Unless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go"... which is blatantly untrue.
So its when its an association rather than an individual thing? Have you stopped paying your membership?
It's simple enough if we wade through all the organisations be they sporting or not there are links to supporting Israeli based companies.. You are hanging it all on the war bonds which no one disagrees with..
The practicalities of just dropping Allianz isn't as easy as some many think (financial clauses no doubt)and getting another sponsor that suits everyone's point of view will again prove difficult..
As a matter of interest how long has the GAA been involved with Allianz? And if its many years why wasn't this a thing before as the genocide of Palestine has been going on for decades
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 03:28:29 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 03:11:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:59:46 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on January 31, 2026, 02:22:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2026, 02:17:16 PMUnless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go ;D
Not really true though. There are many protests in stores selling goods linked to Israel as well as raising awareness of boycotts including Coca Cola and McDonalds. If people individually decide to support these companies not much can be done to stop them.
The GAA supporting Allianz is an entire national sporting organisation that tens of thousands of us belong to. Not in our name.
This whataboutary is tedious.
Its not whataboutery if we are talking about boycotting good/companies linked to Israel
Its a hierarchy point, and btw I'm all over getting rid of Allianz, but save me the ah but parts to the rest of the arguments
What 'ah but' parts? What hierarchy point? No idea what you're on about. You're reply makes no connection to your original comment were you stated that "Unless it's supporting war bonds then everything else making money for Israel is good to go"... which is blatantly untrue.
So its when its an association rather than an individual thing? Have you stopped paying your membership?
It's simple enough if we wade through all the organisations be they sporting or not there are links to supporting Israeli based companies.. You are hanging it all on the war bonds which no one disagrees with..
The practicalities of just dropping Allianz isn't as easy as some many think (financial clauses no doubt)and getting another sponsor that suits everyone's point of view will again prove difficult..
As a matter of interest how long has the GAA been involved with Allianz? And if its many years why wasn't this a thing before as the genocide of Palestine has been going on for decades
You're very determined to undermine the protest against Allianz!
You're wasting your time, they will go on and involve more and more high profile GAA figures, including at Derry-Tyrone and Armagh-Galway games this evening.
As far as I am aware the extent of Allianz involvement came to light in the 'Insuring Genocide Report' published in February 2025. It was later referenced in a report from Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur. In June the reports were sent to the GAA and representations made but the hierarchy stone-walled, the campaign has escalated... and on it will go.
Quote from: blanketattack on January 30, 2026, 03:02:27 PMKerry Group supply the Israeli Army with food. No talk of boycotts in Kerry.
Kellogg's supply the Israeli army with breakfast cereals. Any parents stop their kids going around with Kellogg's emblazoned Cúl Camp gear?
Are you arguing that it's wrong to challenge one of the single biggest culprits of profiteering from genocide, unless absolutely all companies doing so are boycotted? Because if you are, it's fair stupid argument.
"Don't try to solve any problem, unless you are prepared to solve asbolutely every problem".
There's a line in the film Colours that probably suits this approach
Cork promoting Allianz... players being interviewed in front of Allianz logo. Other counties including Tyrone and Dublin have refused to do that.
Considering their performance in last year's All Ireland final we knew Cork hurlers have no bottle....
Wise up would ya, you'll be saying they are promoting genocide next
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2026, 11:07:17 PMWise up would ya, you'll be saying they are promoting genocide next
I said what I said...
Yer man wouldn't do it, that's for sure.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2026/01/14/antrims-neil-mcmanus-expects-players-to-take-a-stand-over-gaas-allianz-links/
And? Some people did and some didn't, if given the time to think when being pulled they'd maybe not do it
There was interviews without the logo done on the pitch, so some were clearly not being interviewed with the logo
But it was front and center around the pitch billboards
It wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Only pressure they secumbed to was the GAA establishment.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
I absolutely won't stop from calling these lickspittles out.
Are you obliged to comment on every thread?
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:59:45 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
I absolutely won't stop from calling these lickspittles out.
Are you obliged to comment on every thread?
It's a discussion board designed to comment so yes you can comment all ya want.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 01:12:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:59:45 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
I absolutely won't stop from calling these lickspittles out.
Are you obliged to comment on every thread?
It's a discussion board designed to comment so yes you can comment all ya want.
:D so I've to take a day off and you can comment all you want! Maith an fear!
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 01:15:37 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 01:12:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:59:45 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
I absolutely won't stop from calling these lickspittles out.
Are you obliged to comment on every thread?
It's a discussion board designed to comment so yes you can comment all ya want.
:D so I've to take a day off and you can comment all you want! Maith an fear!
You know what the comment meant but just in case you don't
Take a day off doesn't mean take a literal day off, no it's take a day off with the lads having or not having interviews with the add board up..
Take your fight to Burnsy, and headquarters who agreed the deal. Players just wanna play for their county
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 01:39:19 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 01:15:37 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 01:12:34 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:59:45 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
I absolutely won't stop from calling these lickspittles out.
Are you obliged to comment on every thread?
It's a discussion board designed to comment so yes you can comment all ya want.
:D so I've to take a day off and you can comment all you want! Maith an fear!
You know what the comment meant but just in case you don't
Take a day off doesn't mean take a literal day off, no it's take a day off with the lads having or not having interviews with the add board up..
Take your fight to Burnsy, and headquarters who agreed the deal. Players just wanna play for their county
Burns and his cohorts will get a warm reception at Croke Park at Congress.. no doubt.
We'll agree to disagree on Cork players. Very poor from them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
Maybe you should heed your own advice.
You are anonymous on here. Jarlath won't ride you
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 08, 2026, 05:57:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
Maybe you should heed your own advice.
You are anonymous on here. Jarlath won't ride you
I don't bend that way but tells me more about you with that post
I'm not sure going full Poppy on this is fair on the players. Noble and all the protest may be, and as important and significant as it may seem to some, it is not going to be at the forefront of some other young lads' minds as they head into a big game, or ever.
Forcing people to protest is a bit false.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 08, 2026, 05:57:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
Maybe you should heed your own advice.
You are anonymous on here. Jarlath won't ride you
He's probably the least anonymous person on here. Certainly since Tony Fearon left.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 06:15:03 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 08, 2026, 05:57:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:54:01 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 08, 2026, 12:31:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 08, 2026, 12:06:15 PMIt wasn't a big ask to hold the line and not promote Allianz advertising.
The Rebel County.. eh?
Rebel in they do what they want and not held to outside peer pressure
Rebel in that they promote a firm that is complicit in genocide 👏
Take a day off..
Maybe you should heed your own advice.
You are anonymous on here. Jarlath won't ride you
I don't bend that way but tells me more about you with that post
At one level I admire your persistence. But you are an army of one following the company line
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2026, 11:07:17 PMWise up would ya, you'll be saying they are promoting genocide next
I don't think they could be accused of that. They could however, be accused of making a conscious decision not to stand side by side with those vocally opposing those complicit in a genocide.
Quote from: Snapchap on February 09, 2026, 09:36:07 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 07, 2026, 11:07:17 PMWise up would ya, you'll be saying they are promoting genocide next
I don't think they could be accused of that. They could however, be accused of making a conscious decision not to stand side by side with those vocally opposing those complicit in a genocide.
Exactly. We are a long way off the Cork hurling team who went on strike over how their sandwiches were cut
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 08, 2026, 09:54:01 PMI'm not sure going full Poppy on this is fair on the players. Noble and all the protest may be, and as important and significant as it may seem to some, it is not going to be at the forefront of some other young lads' minds as they head into a big game, or ever.
Forcing people to protest is a bit false.
No-one has been forced to protest but they are being called out for promoting Allianz by doing interviews with the logo as a backdrop.
Has been a pathetic response from the GPA... rather no response to a series of emails from Gaels Against Genocide. GPA should be providing leadership on this.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 01:07:07 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 08, 2026, 09:54:01 PMI'm not sure going full Poppy on this is fair on the players. Noble and all the protest may be, and as important and significant as it may seem to some, it is not going to be at the forefront of some other young lads' minds as they head into a big game, or ever.
Forcing people to protest is a bit false.
No-one has been forced to protest but they are being called out for promoting Allianz by doing interviews with the logo as a backdrop.
Has been a pathetic response from the GPA... rather no response to a series of emails from Gaels Against Genocide. GPA should be providing leadership on this.
Croke Park have the GPA snookered. The organation funds the union. The union won't rock the boat on funding. And we round we go.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 01:07:07 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 08, 2026, 09:54:01 PMI'm not sure going full Poppy on this is fair on the players. Noble and all the protest may be, and as important and significant as it may seem to some, it is not going to be at the forefront of some other young lads' minds as they head into a big game, or ever.
Forcing people to protest is a bit false.
No-one has been forced to protest but they are being called out for promoting Allianz by doing interviews with the logo as a backdrop.
Has been a pathetic response from the GPA... rather no response to a series of emails from Gaels Against Genocide. GPA should be providing leadership on this.
There needs to be a realisation that some people aren't as invested in Israel/Palestine as some others. These people are turning up, playing their match, giving a quick interview and heading home without Israel or Palestine entering their heads. Trying to drag them into protests and "calling them out" is unfair. It's getting like the poppy.
This is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Would it be acceptable if the gaa ended the Allianz sponsorship but still kept them as an insurance provider.
Id say its near impossible to get an insurance policy with any company thats not dodgy in some way. Or linked to similar activity.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 01:44:07 PMThis is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Cult... "..a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members."
Colm McAlarney, Pascal Canavan, Brendan Devenny, Colm O'Rourke... get some shock to know they're in a cult.
Is very simple, is nothing to comply with. Many/most don't protest or speak up... but using you're GAA membership to promote a company that is endorsing genocide.. of course they'll get called out.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 01:44:07 PMThis is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Anyone who can't be arsed/doesn't agree with being asked to do the absolute
bare minimum of not standing in front of an Allianz sponsorship board, deserves to be called out.
Quote from: snoopdog on February 09, 2026, 01:52:34 PMWould it be acceptable if the gaa ended the Allianz sponsorship but still kept them as an insurance provider.
Id say its near impossible to get an insurance policy with any company thats not dodgy in some way. Or linked to similar activity.
I've no doubt there are plenty of insurance companies who haven't actively sought to profit from the mass slaughter of Gazans, but on the off chance there are none, then maybe opt for one that
isn't topping the table at such morally bankrupt profiteering.
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 02:25:57 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 01:44:07 PMThis is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Cult... "..a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members."
Colm McAlarney, Pascal Canavan, Brendan Devenny, Colm O'Rourke... get some shock to know they're in a cult.
Is very simple, is nothing to comply with. Many/most don't protest or speak up... but using you're GAA membership to promote a company that is endorsing genocide.. of course they'll get called out.
I would argue that the majority of people do not care. They are just trying to get on with their lives. An even bigger majority did not care until a month ago.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 04:30:19 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 02:25:57 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 01:44:07 PMThis is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Cult... "..a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members."
Colm McAlarney, Pascal Canavan, Brendan Devenny, Colm O'Rourke... get some shock to know they're in a cult.
Is very simple, is nothing to comply with. Many/most don't protest or speak up... but using you're GAA membership to promote a company that is endorsing genocide.. of course they'll get called out.
I would argue that the majority of people do not care. They are just trying to get on with their lives. An even bigger majority did not care until a month ago.
I don't disagree with you. Is a lot of "I'm OK fuc you Jack"..
Point is there are many in the GAA who do care and will not stand idly by as our association promotes a business involved in genocide.
If you don't care so be it... however if you promote Allianz in the name of the GAA...
Quote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 05:24:14 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 04:30:19 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on February 09, 2026, 02:25:57 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on February 09, 2026, 01:44:07 PMThis is a bit of a cult. Comply or we will pull you on it.
Cult... "..a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members."
Colm McAlarney, Pascal Canavan, Brendan Devenny, Colm O'Rourke... get some shock to know they're in a cult.
Is very simple, is nothing to comply with. Many/most don't protest or speak up... but using you're GAA membership to promote a company that is endorsing genocide.. of course they'll get called out.
I would argue that the majority of people do not care. They are just trying to get on with their lives. An even bigger majority did not care until a month ago.
I don't disagree with you. Is a lot of "I'm OK fuc you Jack"..
Point is there are many in the GAA who do care and will not stand idly by as our association promotes a business involved in genocide.
If you don't care so be it... however if you promote Allianz in the name of the GAA...
That's fair
Reality is the Gaa is a very broad church which is reflected in people's political persuasion .
I agree that people are entitled to protest regarding Allianz as I accept that people are entitled to the stance that let it be .
Looking forward to Truthsayer's vocal condemnation of Peter Canavan for appearing on Allianz League Sunday.
Pascal won't be happy.
A huge protest march planned for this Saturday morning at GAA annual Congress. Will leave Gill's Pub on the North Circular Road at 11am, to Croke Park. Supported by, among many others, Fr Aidan Troy, Dr George Little of Healthcare Workers for Palestine and GAA stars David Hickey, Colm O'Rourke, Pat Gilroy, Damian O'Hagan, Brendan Devenny, Leah Shaughnessy, Dara ÓCinnéide, Colm McAlarney and a host of others... #DropAllianz
Good enough listen on Brollys podcast where he goes hard on Burn's Allianz stance. Have to say I think Burns trying to legitimise his position by using what we went through here in the troubles is f**king disgusting.
Just listened to that podcast. Very much agree with Joe. They were dreadful comments by Jarlath, also talking about protesters "illegally occupying our property". Whose property?
I do have a modicum of sympathy for Jarlath too. He is getting absolutely hammered and his legacy will be this.
Seems a common ailment in organisations and companies that people climb the ladder and get seduced by power and putting money above people they previously aligned with. Look at the greed in Stormont from MLAs some previously claiming to be for the poor and oppressed. I've seen the same in work where your previous comrade in the union climbs into a management position and puts his/her boot on the worker's neck.
Is an awful position Jarlath has taken.
Would it be the case that if the GAA broke the Allianz contract, it would have cost an absolute fortune? Maybe even more than the annual GAA income?
If Jarlath had said something like this , I'm sure most people would have understood the predicament. We've only a year left , and when it's up, we won't be renewing, etc etc.....
Jarlath's tone and speeches on this isn't helping him. It's such a shame. I like Jarlath, but his presidency and legacy will be forever tainted by this (and RG).
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 04, 2026, 06:53:39 PMWould it be the case that if the GAA broke the Allianz contract, it would have cost an absolute fortune? Maybe even more than the annual GAA income?
If Jarlath had said something like this , I'm sure most people would have understood the predicament. We've only a year left , and when it's up, we won't be renewing, etc etc.....
Jarlath's tone and speeches on this isn't helping him. It's such a shame. I like Jarlath, but his presidency and legacy will be forever tainted by this (and RG).
What I was going to say but better put.
Treat us like grownups. Explain the rock and a hard place argument.
Some things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2026, 09:22:28 PMSome things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
Can't be any USA company or Russian or British for that matter..
Bring back Quinn direct
Replacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be the easy bit.
Every club and ground in the country are insured via Allianz. To unravel that and start fresh with another company is the big challenge. Not saying it can't be done but not straightforward
Quote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2026, 10:13:56 PMReplacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be the easy bit.
Every club and ground in the country are insured via Allianz. To unravel that and start fresh with another company is the big challenge. Not saying it can't be done but not straightforward
So if the GAA pull the sponsorship deal they would, illegally, pull 2,000 odd policies?
You need to have a replacement in place, not be a headless chicken like Trump.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2026, 09:22:28 PMSome things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
This is not just about the Allianz sponsorship, Allianz are also the GAA's insurance provider in a very limited market.
Yes, get rid of Allianz but trying to get another insurance provider not balls deep in the Zionist project won't be easy
Quote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2026, 10:37:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2026, 09:22:28 PMSome things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
This is not just about the Allianz sponsorship, Allianz are also the GAA's insurance provider in a very limited market.
Yes, get rid of Allianz but trying to get another insurance provider not balls deep in the Zionist project won't be easy
Yet every other sport manages to insure itself...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 04, 2026, 10:34:58 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2026, 10:13:56 PMReplacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be the easy bit.
Every club and ground in the country are insured via Allianz. To unravel that and start fresh with another company is the big challenge. Not saying it can't be done but not straightforward
So if the GAA pull the sponsorship deal they would, illegally, pull 2,000 odd policies?
It would go a long way to appeasing the GAA grassroot membership who are opposed to the sponsorship if The President terminated the contract. The insurance piece would be a longer term project as it's not something that you can just change overnight given the intricacies and the amount of clubs involved. Allianz can't just throw a hissy fit and tear up all the GAA contracts either. The optics on that would be disastrous. Jarlath gas misread the room though he still has time to do the right thing and a consequence of that is that he saves his legacy ( and despite the public persona he likes to portray, that matters a lot to him).
Quote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2026, 11:38:10 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 04, 2026, 10:34:58 PMQuote from: Silver hill on March 04, 2026, 10:13:56 PMReplacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be the easy bit.
Every club and ground in the country are insured via Allianz. To unravel that and start fresh with another company is the big challenge. Not saying it can't be done but not straightforward
So if the GAA pull the sponsorship deal they would, illegally, pull 2,000 odd policies?
It would go a long way to appeasing the GAA grassroot membership who are opposed to the sponsorship if The President terminated the contract. The insurance piece would be a longer term project as it's not something that you can just change overnight given the intricacies and the amount of clubs involved. Allianz can't just throw a hissy fit and tear up all the GAA contracts either. The optics on that would be disastrous. Jarlath gas misread the room though he still has time to do the right thing and a consequence of that is that he saves his legacy ( and despite the public persona he likes to portray, that matters a lot to him).
I am agreeing with you. The sponsorship and insurance can be handled differently.
If there isn't a morality clause, which is unlikely, I would pay to see Allianz sue the GAA in front of an Irish jury for refusing to take their money.
It's the lazy call and the GAA has been totally corrupted in defending it.
Most contracts consist of giving someone money and breaking it means you stop paying which leads to being taken to Court etc.
Breaking a contract where you stop taking money... ?
Anyway was it 9 County Boards, incl my own, passed motions to end the Sponsorship?
Therefore it should have gone to Congress where the top table could have pointed out the legalities and reasons for not ending it etc.
Possibly might have meant amending the motion to "begin the process of ending the Allianz sponsorship "
There appears to be two trains of thought being debated here:
• Since every other sport manages to insure itself and replacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be easy the GAA could move to rid itself of all involvement with the sponsor with no effect whatsoever on the sport, players, matches or supporters.
or
• GAA should terminate the contract with the sponsor for the National Football League as they have supported genocide through the purchase of Israeli war bonds.
• The sponsor should accept the GAA calling them genocide enablers and continue to provide insurance as per their contractual arrangement with the GAA.
• The GAA should accept doing business with the genocide enablers when it comes to giving them money, for insurance purposes, but not taking their money, for sponsorship purposes, as one is apparently more complicated to get out of than the other.
• An unknown company will look at this and think there is no way us sponsoring the National Football League can go wrong as there is nothing in our past, present or future that won't cause a "Gaels Against" movement to protest our name being associated with the GAA. They will then pay whatever the current sponsor is paying as in no way has the product been devalued by protest and disharmony in the association.
• Insurance can then be moved away from the sponsor to other providers not associated with genocide presumably when the various policies are due to be renewed.
I accept that members on a discussion board cannot know the business relationships within the GAA, but I have seen no credible argument made that losing the sponsor will not harm the GAA. Nor have I seen a credible argument made as to what cost is acceptable to those protesting against the sponsor. Or any credible argument as to what alternative insurer or sponsor or insurer exists. Saying you are against something is easy bit solving this issue so that the protestors accept the position may not be quite as easy as some people seem to believe
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 10:19:19 AMThere appears to be two trains of thought being debated here:
• Since every other sport manages to insure itself and replacing the million odd quid a year in sponsorship would be easy the GAA could move to rid itself of all involvement with the sponsor with no effect whatsoever on the sport, players, matches or supporters.
or
• GAA should terminate the contract with the sponsor for the National Football League as they have supported genocide through the purchase of Israeli war bonds.
• The sponsor should accept the GAA calling them genocide enablers and continue to provide insurance as per their contractual arrangement with the GAA.
• The GAA should accept doing business with the genocide enablers when it comes to giving them money, for insurance purposes, but not taking their money, for sponsorship purposes, as one is apparently more complicated to get out of than the other.
• An unknown company will look at this and think there is no way us sponsoring the National Football League can go wrong as there is nothing in our past, present or future that won't cause a "Gaels Against" movement to protest our name being associated with the GAA. They will then pay whatever the current sponsor is paying as in no way has the product been devalued by protest and disharmony in the association.
• Insurance can then be moved away from the sponsor to other providers not associated with genocide presumably when the various policies are due to be renewed.
I accept that members on a discussion board cannot know the business relationships within the GAA, but I have seen no credible argument made that losing the sponsor will not harm the GAA. Nor have I seen a credible argument made as to what cost is acceptable to those protesting against the sponsor. Or any credible argument as to what alternative insurer or sponsor or insurer exists. Saying you are against something is easy bit solving this issue so that the protestors accept the position may not be quite as easy as some people seem to believe
It's not for the people of the GAABoard to fix. As you state, we don't know the ins and outs or the technicalities. So looking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
I think everyone knows that the GAA will prob be in a worse position in getting rid of them. That doesn't mean it's still not the right thing to do.
I don't believe the ROI should be playing Israel either. Both actions will cause major pain for the organisations, but I think both actions should be taken.
Has the GAA tried to look at other insurers? Is there terms in the sponsorship linked to the policies? Are they two totally separate issues that can be dealt with independently? Are there other sponsors available who are interested? Imagine the positive goodwill a company might get in "buying out" the sponsorship from Allianz.
Those aren't answers you are going to get on the GAAboard. I haven't seen a whole pile of info coming from the GAA on the above other than it can not be done. This is not a small issue for many people. And the GAA has not dealt with it well in any shape.
In one way I feel sorry for JB, a lot has come to his door in his brief stint in charge. But he has not handled it well, which is disappointing as I had higher hopes for him going in.
GAA has done nothing to address the Allianz situation.
Cathair O'Kane of the Irish News said it this week; the GAA hierarchy thought this would blow over. O'Kane said: "They thought there are low numbers outside grounds protesting, people will get tired of it and they were slowly dripfeeding the Allianz signs back behind post-match interviews... but the protesters have the large majority support of the GAA public".
Jarlath's reaction to protesters going into Congress has been a PR disaster for him. They will now have to address this. It is not going away.. far from it!
I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs. They're funding people that are murdering children day in day out. If it's a million a year a good pay cut for that p***k Burns and his buddies would soften plenty of that.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 11:11:06 AMI genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs. They're funding people that are murdering children day in day out. If it's a million a year a good pay cut for that p***k Burns and his buddies would soften plenty of that.
You think of what the GAA and soccer brings to every country village, town and city on this island , from a financial pov, the state should be stepping in and supporting Croke Pk and the FAI
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 04, 2026, 11:29:39 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2026, 10:37:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2026, 09:22:28 PMSome things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
This is not just about the Allianz sponsorship, Allianz are also the GAA's insurance provider in a very limited market.
Yes, get rid of Allianz but trying to get another insurance provider not balls deep in the Zionist project won't be easy
Yet every other sport manages to insure itself...
Who do the IRFU or FAI use?
They may well be using Allianz as well for all we know.
I'm not saying there aren't other options out there.
Id say Aviva cover those 2. Considering they have the naming rights for the stadium.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 11:11:06 AMI genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs. They're funding people that are murdering children day in day out. If it's a million a year a good pay cut for that p***k Burns and his buddies would soften plenty of that.
Short and to the point and 100% right.
Sponsorship - I'm sure there have been examples in other sports where embedded sponsors have been removed. This should be the easy part to do. If it's 1M a year, then make up that 1M by charging RTE more for rights to the games. Charge more for the use of Croke Park for other events - an extra 1euro per concert ticket would go a long way towards hitting 1M a year. 3 concerts at 1eur per ticket more is approx 250K. Open sponsorship options for smaller local companies like LCC or First Derivative's. 1M to these companies I think would be entirely feasible. The point I'm making is that with a little bit of innovation, that lost sponsorship can be replaced by other means so there should be minimal impact to the organisation.
Insurance - I assume insurance is paid in advance for a period of time. That means there is time to look for alternative insurer's before the existing policies lapse. Why does all insurance have to come from 1 provider? What about each county/province procuring their own? It de-risks putting all your eggs in one basket AND might give you more insurance options as the potential liability is less due to a smaller number of assets being insured.
I wonder though, is there some sort of tax dodge (or brown envelope) reason for the sponsor also being the insurer?
Cost of insurance vs Income from Sponsorhip from the same company?
Either way, there is no reason that I can see that should tie the GAA indefinitely to any organisation and if there is, then that's a governance issue in itself. I think there's a rule somewhere that players, clubs or whoever can be disciplined for bringing the games into disrepute. Surely associating with and takings sponsorship from companies profiting from genocide is doing serious damage to the GAA reputation. GAA profiting from genocide by proxy.
Jarlath Burns has not had a good term. His handling of issues have been, imo, tainted with an air of superiority from him. His comments from the weekend on how difficult he had it in the troubles felt like deflection and an attempt to better his own public perception, but for me it was a disgusting line to cross. A lot of this feels like the Jarlath show and he's not coming out of it well, his legacy will not be a good one. I was genuinely happy to see him get the role as I thought he'd do a lot of good, but I am extremely disappointed in his leadership.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 05, 2026, 12:05:16 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 11:11:06 AMI genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs. They're funding people that are murdering children day in day out. If it's a million a year a good pay cut for that p***k Burns and his buddies would soften plenty of that.
Short and to the point and 100% right.
Sponsorship - I'm sure there have been examples in other sports where embedded sponsors have been removed. This should be the easy part to do. If it's 1M a year, then make up that 1M by charging RTE more for rights to the games. Charge more for the use of Croke Park for other events - an extra 1euro per concert ticket would go a long way towards hitting 1M a year. 3 concerts at 1eur per ticket more is approx 250K. Open sponsorship options for smaller local companies like LCC or First Derivative's. 1M to these companies I think would be entirely feasible. The point I'm making is that with a little bit of innovation, that lost sponsorship can be replaced by other means so there should be minimal impact to the organisation.
Insurance - I assume insurance is paid in advance for a period of time. That means there is time to look for alternative insurer's before the existing policies lapse. Why does all insurance have to come from 1 provider? What about each county/province procuring their own? It de-risks putting all your eggs in one basket AND might give you more insurance options as the potential liability is less due to a smaller number of assets being insured.
I wonder though, is there some sort of tax dodge (or brown envelope) reason for the sponsor also being the insurer?
Cost of insurance vs Income from Sponsorhip from the same company?
Either way, there is no reason that I can see that should tie the GAA indefinitely to any organisation and if there is, then that's a governance issue in itself. I think there's a rule somewhere that players, clubs or whoever can be disciplined for bringing the games into disrepute. Surely associating with and takings sponsorship from companies profiting from genocide is doing serious damage to the GAA reputation. GAA profiting from genocide by proxy.
Jarlath Burns has not had a good term. His handling of issues have been, imo, tainted with an air of superiority from him. His comments from the weekend on how difficult he had it in the troubles felt like deflection and an attempt to better his own public perception, but for me it was a disgusting line to cross. A lot of this feels like the Jarlath show and he's not coming out of it well, his legacy will not be a good one. I was genuinely happy to see him get the role as I thought he'd do a lot of good, but I am extremely disappointed in his leadership.
100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.
Jarlaths comments on how bad we had it around here are disgusting. As bad and awful as it was around here for years it absolutely pales in comparison to Gaza, we never had bombs rain from the sky.
Jarlath's comments were horrendous, including:
"It's a bit ironic that people who are protesting against illegal occupation will come in and illegally occupy our building."
Is he really comparing protesters forcing their way into Congress to the murderous illegal occupation of Palestine?
And "our building"... totally detached from the grassroots.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
Yes to be honest. Not in a million years do I think it would come to that as believe it or not there is more than one insurance company in thw world
I'm disgusted at being associated with baby killers.
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
Have you ever changed insurance provider for your car, or house, or travel insurance, or public liability? Or have you been with the same company for 20 years?
Of course it's possible to change insurers and often it makes financial sense to do so.
The Ethics committee quote you reference can also suggest that Allianz are so far embedded into the GAA that they can't be removed. If that's the case, there are some really serious issues around how the GAA is being managed, and if Jarlath can't see that he's even more inept than he gets the credit for.
In the public sector, suppliers are only ever given a fixed term for services or products and then they have to re-tender to avoid this entrenchment of a single supplier, provide transparency on where the money is spent and also to ensure value for money.
I would think the GAA should be doing something similar regardless of Allianz links to a genocidal regime.
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 02:59:07 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 02:59:07 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 10:47:31 AMlooking to the GAABoard for an answer would be stupidity of the highest level.
And yet there are multiple suggestions that insurance companies and sponsors are all willing and able to fill the void.
The GAA could explain the implications of disassociating itself with the sponsor much better but even if it did some people won't accept it, as they don't believe anything the GAA has said on the matter yet do believe that brown envelopes are involved keeping the sponsor in place.
"Allianz plc provides insurance cover for the GAA and assists with the Association's Player Injury Fund." As quoted from The Ethics and Integrity Commission's Report.
This could mean it insures everything pitches, players etc. etc. or it could be car insurance for a couple of cars. And it would be good for members to be informed about what the implications of this loss of insurance would be.
Armagh18 says "I genuinely don't care what it would cost ffs." – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
People are guessing that other companies could step in and fill the void. That's a fairly standard business assumption. If that's not the case the GAA need to explain exactly why. This is too big an issue to try and paint over. The organisation needs to know what exactly is stopping the removal of Allianz. And in the absence of more detail from the GAA, people will fill that void with their own assumptions.
A Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal. I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true. Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers. The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for.
Quote from: johnnycool on March 05, 2026, 11:37:01 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 04, 2026, 11:29:39 PMQuote from: johnnycool on March 04, 2026, 10:37:00 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 04, 2026, 09:22:28 PMSome things are bigger than money. How much do Allianz put in? Surely there's non child killing companies who would step up and fill at least some of the void?
This is not just about the Allianz sponsorship, Allianz are also the GAA's insurance provider in a very limited market.
Yes, get rid of Allianz but trying to get another insurance provider not balls deep in the Zionist project won't be easy
Yet every other sport manages to insure itself...
Who do the IRFU or FAI use?
They may well be using Allianz as well for all we know.
I'm not saying there aren't other options out there.
They aren't centralised like the GAA are. Clubs do their own thing, so presumably some are with Allianz.
But the idea that it would be impossible to get new insurance is bonkers. 2,000 new policies over a year is buttons. There are 8,000 new or renewed car policies a day.
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Quote from: mackers on March 05, 2026, 03:57:02 PMA Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal. I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true. Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers. The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for.
I find it hard to believe that to be honest. But if that's was the case, then that should be publicly communicated and the GAA should be able to show that no other company was interested. But without any sort of evidence, I wouldn't be prepared to believe that.
I agree it's not as simple as car insurance/ house insurance. But as BB says above it's centralised therefore should make it easier.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 05, 2026, 04:23:15 PMQuote from: mackers on March 05, 2026, 03:57:02 PMA Central Council delegate informed our county board delegates at a recent meeting that Allianz were the only company willing to quote on the GAA insurance policy at the last renewal. I don't see any reason why this should be said if it wasn't true. Some posters comparing it to switching your car or house insurance is bonkers. The renewal of your car or house insurance is a damned sight more straightforward than the renewal of the policy that the GAA are looking for.
I find it hard to believe that to be honest. But if that's was the case, then that should be publicly communicated and the GAA should be able to show that no other company was interested. But without any sort of evidence, I wouldn't be prepared to believe that.
I agree it's not as simple as car insurance/ house insurance. But as BB says above it's centralised therefore should make it easier.
In my work, we will often opt out of tendering if it's felt the buyer isn't going to change suppliers or we can't win on price.
No idea if that's the case here, but if the perception is that Allianz are embedded to the point where the GAA are not going to change them, no-one will tender.
It should be communicated though if the case.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 12:43:04 PM100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.
Spurious nonsense.
Quote from: gallsman on March 05, 2026, 04:40:33 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 12:43:04 PM100% and the brown envelope point is surely likely.
Spurious nonsense.
Maybe, but would you be overly surprised?
If Jarlath Burns and Tom Ryan were receiving secret payments from Allianz to ensure they didn't tear up the deal?
Yes. 100% absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
If you think otherwise you're a f**king muppet.
"Surely likely maybe"
Have a f**king word with yourself.
In the way forward they may get clubs to get their own insurance, though not sure where that leave players insurance. Lloyds of london ensure anything but they be knee deep in Israeli stuff too.
Dont think anybody receiving payments.
Quote from: gallsman on March 05, 2026, 05:53:32 PMIf Jarlath Burns and Tom Ryan were receiving secret payments from Allianz to ensure they didn't tear up the deal?
Yes. 100% absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
If you think otherwise you're a f**king muppet.
"Surely likely maybe"
Have a f**king word with yourself.
Is the wife still bullying you or why are you so angry all the time? :D
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
Why wouldn't they?
Again, other sports manage to insure themselves just fine. The idea that the only possible option to insure the GAA also just happens to be a dodgy sponsor we can't get rid of isn't a serious thought.
The GAA ethics report certainly suggested that they had no other options.
But I will accept the argument that insurance companies exist so there must be options as the definitive position.
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:56:14 PMThe GAA ethics report certainly suggested that they had no other options.
But I will accept the argument that insurance companies exist so there must be options as the definitive position.
The GAA ethics report also said Allianz weren't investing in war bonds - and position Allianz themselves aren't taking.
The ethics committee has no business making that claim- that's commercial, not ethical.
Ethics Committee - a misnomer if ever there was one!
Quote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
I'm sure they won't turn down the business ffs
Quote from: snoopdog on March 05, 2026, 11:50:54 AMId say Aviva cover those 2. Considering they have the naming rights for the stadium.
Thankfully they've no Israeli interest
https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1657136
The top insurers featured in the report include Allianz, Aviva, AXA, Zurich Insurance Group, and RSA (Intact), all of which have contributed a total of $1.7 billion across 15 companies involved in Israeli militarism...
Among the five financial institutions, Aviva is reportedly the largest investor, with over $880 million invested in arms manufacturers including BAE Systems, Boeing, and Caterpillar, all of which sell large weapons and military equipment to Israel...
According to the report, Aviva and Allianz respectively account for 51% and 26% of the total investments across all five insurers. Zurich and AXA each accounted for over 10% of overall investments, and RSA (Intact) over 1%. "These investments enabled the genocide in Gaza, continue to sustain violent ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Palestine and facilitate the development and deployment of lethal weaponry around the world," the report reads.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 06:03:43 PMIs the wife still bullying you or why are you so angry all the time? :D
Not just stupid, but incredibly boring as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 06:03:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 05, 2026, 05:53:32 PMIf Jarlath Burns and Tom Ryan were receiving secret payments from Allianz to ensure they didn't tear up the deal?
Yes. 100% absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
If you think otherwise you're a f**king muppet.
"Surely likely maybe"
Have a f**king word with yourself.
Is the wife still bullying you or why are you so angry all the time? :D
bold of you to assumes its old enough to be married
Quote from: dec on March 05, 2026, 11:33:14 PMhttps://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1657136
The top insurers featured in the report include Allianz, Aviva, AXA, Zurich Insurance Group, and RSA (Intact), all of which have contributed a total of $1.7 billion across 15 companies involved in Israeli militarism...
Among the five financial institutions, Aviva is reportedly the largest investor, with over $880 million invested in arms manufacturers including BAE Systems, Boeing, and Caterpillar, all of which sell large weapons and military equipment to Israel...
According to the report, Aviva and Allianz respectively account for 51% and 26% of the total investments across all five insurers. Zurich and AXA each accounted for over 10% of overall investments, and RSA (Intact) over 1%. "These investments enabled the genocide in Gaza, continue to sustain violent ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Palestine and facilitate the development and deployment of lethal weaponry around the world," the report reads.
I was taking the piss but BB2 hasn't engaged or took the bait as soccer has no issues in this area as the GAA is worse for being with Allianz.
Be interesting to see the game in Dublin v Israel
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 06, 2026, 07:43:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 06:03:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 05, 2026, 05:53:32 PMIf Jarlath Burns and Tom Ryan were receiving secret payments from Allianz to ensure they didn't tear up the deal?
Yes. 100% absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
If you think otherwise you're a f**king muppet.
"Surely likely maybe"
Have a f**king word with yourself.
Is the wife still bullying you or why are you so angry all the time? :D
bold of you to assumes its old enough to be married
How's that 50 quid worth of diesel joke going for you? Absolute f**king eejit ;D
Quote from: dec on March 05, 2026, 11:33:14 PMhttps://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1657136
The top insurers featured in the report include Allianz, Aviva, AXA, Zurich Insurance Group, and RSA (Intact), all of which have contributed a total of $1.7 billion across 15 companies involved in Israeli militarism...
Among the five financial institutions, Aviva is reportedly the largest investor, with over $880 million invested in arms manufacturers including BAE Systems, Boeing, and Caterpillar, all of which sell large weapons and military equipment to Israel...
According to the report, Aviva and Allianz respectively account for 51% and 26% of the total investments across all five insurers. Zurich and AXA each accounted for over 10% of overall investments, and RSA (Intact) over 1%. "These investments enabled the genocide in Gaza, continue to sustain violent ethnic cleansing and colonisation of Palestine and facilitate the development and deployment of lethal weaponry around the world," the report reads.
I don't believe (to best of my knowledge) any of the other insurance companies mentioned went in heavy on the Israeli "war bonds". That's a significant difference, in my opinion at least. The rest have invested in companies for financial gain. But Allianz invested in bonds issued by Israel to fund the increase in defence spending after 7th Oct 2023. That's directly funding their war effort.
I do agree the insurance industry is riddled with poor ethics and finding a clean pair of hands would be challenging. But I think the level of involvement by Allianz should rule them out with anything to do with the GAA.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 07:55:49 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
I'm sure they won't turn down the business ffs
I'm in the unfortunate position of having worked in insurance for 30 odd years and I can tell you if insurers don't like the risk they will turn down the business. I'd be sceptical enough about the figure of 177 companies operating in Ireland but I'd say the fact that there is a need for cover across the border will rule out the vast majority of them. There would only be a small number that will cover both property risk as well as liability (public and employer's). Add in the fact that the policy (specifically the Player Injury Fund) would face a heavy enough claims load there will only be a small number of companies interested. To throw out a line to say "just use one of the other 177 companies" is nonsense.
Quote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 10:04:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 07:55:49 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
I'm sure they won't turn down the business ffs
I'm in the unfortunate position of having worked in insurance for 30 odd years and I can tell you if insurers don't like the risk they will turn down the business. I'd be sceptical enough about the figure of 177 companies operating in Ireland but I'd say the fact that there is a need for cover across the border will rule out the vast majority of them. There would only be a small number that will cover both property risk as well as liability (public and employer's). Add in the fact that the policy (specifically the Player Injury Fund) would face a heavy enough claims load there will only be a small number of companies interested. To throw out a line to say "just use one of the other 177 companies" is nonsense.
This is the first sensible post I've seen on this. I had a feeling the two jurisdictions issue would be a sticking point, but it's good to hear it confirmed by someone actually in the business.
How linked are Allianz Ireland with PIMCO who invested in Israeli treasury bonds?
There's a lot less underwriter agencies than insurers. Think closer to 20-25 for Ireland I believe. They're the ones who are assessing the risk, setting prices etc.
* Had the pleasure of a few years in this area myself, albeit not recently.
Quote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 10:04:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 07:55:49 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
I'm sure they won't turn down the business ffs
I'm in the unfortunate position of having worked in insurance for 30 odd years and I can tell you if insurers don't like the risk they will turn down the business. I'd be sceptical enough about the figure of 177 companies operating in Ireland but I'd say the fact that there is a need for cover across the border will rule out the vast majority of them. There would only be a small number that will cover both property risk as well as liability (public and employer's). Add in the fact that the policy (specifically the Player Injury Fund) would face a heavy enough claims load there will only be a small number of companies interested. To throw out a line to say "just use one of the other 177 companies" is nonsense.
I wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world, I wouldn't have Allianz about the place. The sponsorship and the insurance cover should be separate matters here but the general membership don't have the full picture. I don't like commenting on stuff that I don't have the full picture of.
I was just responding to comments that were way off the mark with regard to the insurance cover.
Quote from: gallsman on March 06, 2026, 09:22:11 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 06, 2026, 07:43:56 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 06:03:43 PMQuote from: gallsman on March 05, 2026, 05:53:32 PMIf Jarlath Burns and Tom Ryan were receiving secret payments from Allianz to ensure they didn't tear up the deal?
Yes. 100% absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
If you think otherwise you're a f**king muppet.
"Surely likely maybe"
Have a f**king word with yourself.
Is the wife still bullying you or why are you so angry all the time? :D
bold of you to assumes its old enough to be married
How's that 50 quid worth of diesel joke going for you? Absolute f**king eejit ;D
cant argue with that assessment haha
Quote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 10:04:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2026, 07:55:49 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 06:31:35 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2026, 04:03:54 PMQuote from: GTP on March 05, 2026, 01:31:32 PM" – Speculating that if insurance from the sponsor was unavailable meant the GAA had to shut down, would that be acceptable?
This isn't a serious contribution.
There are 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland. Pick from the other 177.
Do you have any specific knowledge that any of these 177 companies wish to insure the GAA? And are in no way associated with something up to and including genocide that GAA members will not object to?
If the answer isn't yes then your contribution isn't serious.
If insurance is not economically viable for companies they won't offer the product.
I'm sure they won't turn down the business ffs
I'm in the unfortunate position of having worked in insurance for 30 odd years and I can tell you if insurers don't like the risk they will turn down the business. I'd be sceptical enough about the figure of 177 companies operating in Ireland but I'd say the fact that there is a need for cover across the border will rule out the vast majority of them. There would only be a small number that will cover both property risk as well as liability (public and employer's). Add in the fact that the policy (specifically the Player Injury Fund) would face a heavy enough claims load there will only be a small number of companies interested. To throw out a line to say "just use one of the other 177 companies" is nonsense.
Unless it has changed fairly recently, the Player Injury Fund is not underwritten by any insurance policy.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
What other options are there? Did you speak to any of them to test the waters? What was the feedback?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
I have said the GAA should be clearer on what the consequences of removing the sponsorship and or insurance would be. And whilst respecting your right to an opinion, on balance I would be more inclined to believe the GAA who have more facts than you.
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 02:38:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
I have said the GAA should be clearer on what the consequences of removing the sponsorship and or insurance would be. And whilst respecting your right to an opinion, on balance I would be more inclined to believe the GAA who have more facts than you.
The same GAA who claimed Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds?
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 02:38:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
I have said the GAA should be clearer on what the consequences of removing the sponsorship and or insurance would be. And whilst respecting your right to an opinion, on balance I would be more inclined to believe the GAA who have more facts than you.
Your not asking why the GAA haven't been clearer given the flack they're getting? If you had tried different options would you not want to demonstrate this? Show everything to show how your hands are tied?
It's a fairly standard business assumption to assume there will be other sponsors and other insurance companies. If that's not the case, explain it. Show you've done everything possible to try and detangle Allianz from the GAA.
https://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/administrators/insurance-policies
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMThere will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
There's no doubt that there would be other sponsors available.
We don't know if the GAA ended the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance and if there were plentiful options on the insurance front I'd take a punt on it.
It is NOT nonsense to say that there are no other insurance options out there. As I've said a Central Council delegate informed a meeting I was at that they were the only company willing to offer terms at the last renewal. I'll take his word on that over yours as he would be a lot more informed than you.
You're implying that Jarlath is LYING on this and there was talk earlier by other posters about brown envelopes. Even if this was tongue in cheek I don't think we should be questioning his integrity or that of any other volunteer at the top of our organisation. Question their judgement all you like but I think accusations of poor integrity or lying are uncalled for.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on March 06, 2026, 03:23:07 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 02:38:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
I have said the GAA should be clearer on what the consequences of removing the sponsorship and or insurance would be. And whilst respecting your right to an opinion, on balance I would be more inclined to believe the GAA who have more facts than you.
Your not asking why the GAA haven't been clearer given the flack they're getting? If you had tried different options would you not want to demonstrate this? Show everything to show how your hands are tied?
It's a fairly standard business assumption to assume there will be other sponsors and other insurance companies. If that's not the case, explain it. Show you've done everything possible to try and detangle Allianz from the GAA.
The GAA made a decision and are working back. No debate. No vote. A totally compromised ethics committee.
It's demeaning to see the mental gymnastics to fall in line with Croke Park on this.
Quote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMThere will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
There's no doubt that there would be other sponsors available.
We don't know if the GAA ended the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance and if there were plentiful options on the insurance front I'd take a punt on it.
It is NOT nonsense to say that there are no other insurance options out there. As I've said a Central Council delegate informed a meeting I was at that they were the only company willing to offer terms at the last renewal. I'll take his word on that over yours as he would be a lot more informed than you.
You're implying that Jarlath is LYING on this and there was talk earlier by other posters about brown envelopes. Even if this was tongue in cheek I don't think we should be questioning his integrity or that of any other volunteer at the top of our organisation. Question their judgement all you like but I think accusations of poor integrity or lying are uncalled for.
But the insurance is linked to the sponsorship- they didn't go shopping around.
The people in question are not volunteering their time,they are highly paid. But even if they were, they would still be accountable.
And I am not implying anything. That report was riddled with inaccurate statements.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 03:17:23 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 02:38:29 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 01:28:11 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 10:47:43 AMI wasn't suggesting that all 178 insurance companies operating in Ireland are direct options.
But equally it is literally mental to suggest that if the GAA pull the sponsorship, Allianz will pull the insurance and the GAA will have to cease operations, which was the argument I was responding to.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
It certainly read like you were suggesting 178 alternatives existed.
Also, do you know what the effect of Allianz pulling insurance would be on the GAA? My post was speculative as I admit to having no knowledge of the consequences. Whereas you paint the picture that everything will be perfectly OK and the GAA could get out of the sponsorship and insurance very easily, an argument I find dishonest.
If the GAA is disassociating itself from the sponsor, it would surely have to stop doing business with them i.e. refuse or revoke the insurance with them. The sponsor would not be pulling the insurance the GAA would be. Or perhaps it is acceptable to pay for services from genocide enablers but refuse to take their money for sponsorship.
There will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
I have said the GAA should be clearer on what the consequences of removing the sponsorship and or insurance would be. And whilst respecting your right to an opinion, on balance I would be more inclined to believe the GAA who have more facts than you.
The same GAA who claimed Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds?
Am I correct in saying Allianz Ireland have nothing to do with any of this? Is it a cousin company in America that bought Israeli government bonds? Seems to be a big outfit overall, 1300 different subsidiaries and companies.
Willing to be corrected.
The GAA said Allianz in Ireland who sponsor the GAA "has no involvement with the Israeli Defence Forces or corporate entities involved in the war in Gaza."
I may be wrong but I do not believe this is in dispute.
The ethics report also states:
"The Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestine Territories has identified Allianz and
hundreds of other corporate entities as supporting what she refers to as "the
economy of genocide" "
This is hardly hiding the accussation from public view nor is it claiming Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds.
I have questioned why the GAA isn't providing more information.Though I do not think that even with full disclosure that their explanation would be accepted.
Don't think anyone claimed Allianz Ireland had invested in War bonds. It was always known the investment was by their subsidiary PIMCO, Who were the largest investor in these bonds at one point.
For me the lack of disclosure by the GAA raises serious questions that aren't going to go away.
I really hope there is work going on in the background on this. I think most GAA members will accept a financial hit on this. If this decision was purely financial, then I don't think the top table has read the room correctly.
If there are 1300 subsidiaries/companies in 70 countries under the Allianz holding group, is it realistic to expect them all to be squeaky clean?
If they are all separate legal entities not linked to Allianz Ireland, should we be throwing away the sponsorship over the actions of a cousin company?
I understand there are issues with how this wasn't raised at Congress etc when it possibly should have been under the rules of raising a motion, which is a separate issue.
Quote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMThere will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
There's no doubt that there would be other sponsors available.
We don't know if the GAA ended the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance and if there were plentiful options on the insurance front I'd take a punt on it.
It is NOT nonsense to say that there are no other insurance options out there. As I've said a Central Council delegate informed a meeting I was at that they were the only company willing to offer terms at the last renewal. I'll take his word on that over yours as he would be a lot more informed than you.
You're implying that Jarlath is LYING on this and there was talk earlier by other posters about brown envelopes. Even if this was tongue in cheek I don't think we should be questioning his integrity or that of any other volunteer at the top of our organisation. Question their judgement all you like but I think accusations of poor integrity or lying are uncalled for.
I would absolutely question their integrity... not allowing the subject to be discussed at Congress?
Defending an association with Allianz when all evidence points to their help fund a genocide... named by the UN special rapporteur on Human Rights.. Francesca Albanese.
People who were protesting the genocide didn't go looking for the Allianz link.. it was presented to them.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 06, 2026, 04:17:40 PMIf there are 1300 subsidiaries/companies in 70 countries under the Allianz holding group, is it realistic to expect them all to be squeaky clean?
If they are all separate legal entities not linked to Allianz Ireland, should we be throwing away the sponsorship over the actions of a cousin company?
I understand there are issues with how this wasn't raised at Congress etc when it possibly should have been under the rules of raising a motion, which is a separate issue.
In my view yes. They invested over 1 Billion in these bonds. Thats not a small transaction. It's a huge corporate decision to invest directly in Israel's war efforts. You can't remove the parent company from that imo.
The GAA has banned sponsorship from gambling firms but not from members gambling. The have restricted alcohol sponsorship but not club bars or players drinking etc. doing something is better than nothing it seems in some cases!
IMO the sponsorship should end ASAP and what needs to be explored to make that happen should be done.
the insurance side might be harder if options are limited but it should be explored fully.
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 04:00:55 PMThe GAA said Allianz in Ireland who sponsor the GAA "has no involvement with the Israeli Defence Forces or corporate entities involved in the war in Gaza."
I may be wrong but I do not believe this is in dispute.
The ethics report also states:
"The Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestine Territories has identified Allianz and
hundreds of other corporate entities as supporting what she refers to as "the
economy of genocide" "
This is hardly hiding the accussation from public view nor is it claiming Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds.
I have questioned why the GAA isn't providing more information.Though I do not think that even with full disclosure that their explanation would be accepted.
No involvement apart from being part of the same f**king company.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 06, 2026, 04:17:40 PMIf there are 1300 subsidiaries/companies in 70 countries under the Allianz holding group, is it realistic to expect them all to be squeaky clean?
If they are all separate legal entities not linked to Allianz Ireland, should we be throwing away the sponsorship over the actions of a cousin company?
I understand there are issues with how this wasn't raised at Congress etc when it possibly should have been under the rules of raising a motion, which is a separate issue.
Not linked? Be serious.
Quote from: Truthsayer on March 06, 2026, 04:28:34 PMQuote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMThere will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
There's no doubt that there would be other sponsors available.
We don't know if the GAA ended the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance and if there were plentiful options on the insurance front I'd take a punt on it.
It is NOT nonsense to say that there are no other insurance options out there. As I've said a Central Council delegate informed a meeting I was at that they were the only company willing to offer terms at the last renewal. I'll take his word on that over yours as he would be a lot more informed than you.
You're implying that Jarlath is LYING on this and there was talk earlier by other posters about brown envelopes. Even if this was tongue in cheek I don't think we should be questioning his integrity or that of any other volunteer at the top of our organisation. Question their judgement all you like but I think accusations of poor integrity or lying are uncalled for.
I would absolutely question their integrity... not allowing the subject to be discussed at Congress?
Defending an association with Allianz when all evidence points to their help fund a genocide... named by the UN special rapporteur on Human Rights.. Francesca Albanese.
People who were protesting the genocide didn't go looking for the Allianz link.. it was presented to them.
Imagine being so dumb to believe, or at least pretend to, that the Irish arm of a German company is not in any way connected to the American arm of that company.
It is terrifying to see how willing people are to buy any old shite rather than criticise Croke Park.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 04:44:08 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on March 06, 2026, 04:28:34 PMQuote from: mackers on March 06, 2026, 03:50:42 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 02:02:59 PMThere will be consequences. But I don't see them as unmanageable.
But it is nonsense to suggest no other potential sponsors exist.
It is nonsense to suggest that if the GAA end the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance.
It is also nonsense to suggest that there are no other insurance options out there.
You are buying Jarlaths bullshit.
There's no doubt that there would be other sponsors available.
We don't know if the GAA ended the sponsorship that Allianz will immediately end the insurance and if there were plentiful options on the insurance front I'd take a punt on it.
It is NOT nonsense to say that there are no other insurance options out there. As I've said a Central Council delegate informed a meeting I was at that they were the only company willing to offer terms at the last renewal. I'll take his word on that over yours as he would be a lot more informed than you.
You're implying that Jarlath is LYING on this and there was talk earlier by other posters about brown envelopes. Even if this was tongue in cheek I don't think we should be questioning his integrity or that of any other volunteer at the top of our organisation. Question their judgement all you like but I think accusations of poor integrity or lying are uncalled for.
I would absolutely question their integrity... not allowing the subject to be discussed at Congress?
Defending an association with Allianz when all evidence points to their help fund a genocide... named by the UN special rapporteur on Human Rights.. Francesca Albanese.
People who were protesting the genocide didn't go looking for the Allianz link.. it was presented to them.
Imagine being so dumb to believe, or at least pretend to, that the Irish arm of a German company is not in any way connected to the American arm of that company.
It is terrifying to see how willing people are to buy any old shite rather than criticise Croke Park.
Is the same way people believed the Catholic Church was beyond corruption and criticism... until there was no denying it. Sacred cows.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 04:39:55 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 04:00:55 PMThe GAA said Allianz in Ireland who sponsor the GAA "has no involvement with the Israeli Defence Forces or corporate entities involved in the war in Gaza."
I may be wrong but I do not believe this is in dispute.
The ethics report also states:
"The Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestine Territories has identified Allianz and
hundreds of other corporate entities as supporting what she refers to as "the
economy of genocide" "
This is hardly hiding the accussation from public view nor is it claiming Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds.
I have questioned why the GAA isn't providing more information.Though I do not think that even with full disclosure that their explanation would be accepted.
No involvement apart from being part of the same f**king company.
This does not provide any evidence to justify your previous post
"The same GAA who claimed Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds?"
TS you found JB invoking the Glenane Gang to be horrific. Is comparing the actions of the GAA hierarchy in this situation, to the church silencing and covering up abuse not very similar.
Some experts on here ;D
Is Ireland playing Israel in the soccer?
I cant see them playing Israel to be honest. Gonna be a time u stand by what u think,and take the consquences of not playing.
Again you would hope and expect them not too. But as with the GAA the noises aren't good.
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 05:45:57 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 06, 2026, 04:39:55 PMQuote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 04:00:55 PMThe GAA said Allianz in Ireland who sponsor the GAA "has no involvement with the Israeli Defence Forces or corporate entities involved in the war in Gaza."
I may be wrong but I do not believe this is in dispute.
The ethics report also states:
"The Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestine Territories has identified Allianz and
hundreds of other corporate entities as supporting what she refers to as "the
economy of genocide" "
This is hardly hiding the accussation from public view nor is it claiming Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds.
I have questioned why the GAA isn't providing more information.Though I do not think that even with full disclosure that their explanation would be accepted.
No involvement apart from being part of the same f**king company.
This does not provide any evidence to justify your previous post
"The same GAA who claimed Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds?"
TS you found JB invoking the Glenane Gang to be horrific. Is comparing the actions of the GAA hierarchy in this situation, to the church silencing and covering up abuse not very similar.
It is an insult to our intelligence to say that because the group entity signing the cheque to the GAA isn't the same group entity that is funding genocide, that taking sponsorship from that group can't be linked to that genocide enablement.
If that is the quality of output from an ethics committee, fold the committee and spend that money elsewhere.
The church comparison is to the unquestioning, uncritical, zombies who cannot countenance that head office is wrong and lying about it.
Theres a fair bet alot of these big companies are stuck in bonds to some extend, sometimes i wonder where my pension funder invests in.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2
The church comparison is to the unquestioning, uncritical, zombies who cannot countenance that head office is wrong and lying about it.
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Zombie ::)
Condescending pr1ck
BB2 you didn't make the comparison so how do you know what it is about?
And you still haven't justified the statement that the GAA said Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds. Is this the truth or should the unquestioning zombies accept every statement you make?
Anyway I see the name of the sponsor more on this thread than anywhere else so might have to consider a boycott.
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 10:12:50 PMBB2 you didn't make the comparison so how do you know what it is about?
And you still haven't justified the statement that the GAA said Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds. Is this the truth or should the unquestioning zombies accept every statement you make?
Anyway I see the name of the sponsor more on this thread than anywhere else so might have to consider a boycott.
You're joking?
Quote from: GTP on March 06, 2026, 10:12:50 PMBB2 you didn't make the comparison so how do you know what it is about?
And you still haven't justified the statement that the GAA said Allianz hadn't invested in war bonds. Is this the truth or should the unquestioning zombies accept every statement you make?
Anyway I see the name of the sponsor more on this thread than anywhere else so might have to consider a boycott.
Read the EIC report and stop annoying us.
Question for the lads who want the GAA to drop Allianz. Will you boycott the GAA if they don't?
Quote from: trileacman on March 07, 2026, 01:07:11 PMQuestion for the lads who want the GAA to drop Allianz. Will you boycott the GAA if they don't?
I am boycotting the league myself. Not going, not watching.
I read the EIC report it does not say what you posted.
Apologies for annoying you it must be terrible for you that not everyone agrees with you.
I also read it there. If Allianz Ireland was funding Israel yous might have a point. As it is they are not and have no legal link to PIMCO, bar the fact they are owned by the same parent company, which happens to own hundreds upon hundreds of insurance companies and manages trillions worth of assets.
They are seperate legal entities.
This is all without considering the can of worms that would open when the GAA unilaterly cancels any commercial deal.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2026, 03:36:14 PMI also read it there. If Allianz Ireland was funding Israel yous might have a point. As it is they are not and have no legal link to PIMCO, bar the fact they are owned by the same parent company, which happens to own hundreds upon hundreds of insurance companies and manages trillions worth of assets.
They are seperate legal entities.
This is all without considering the can of worms that would open when the GAA unilaterly cancels any commercial deal.
No legal link bar being part of the same company?
Are you for f**king serious?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 07, 2026, 04:47:47 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2026, 03:36:14 PMI also read it there. If Allianz Ireland was funding Israel yous might have a point. As it is they are not and have no legal link to PIMCO, bar the fact they are owned by the same parent company, which happens to own hundreds upon hundreds of insurance companies and manages trillions worth of assets.
They are seperate legal entities.
This is all without considering the can of worms that would open when the GAA unilaterly cancels any commercial deal.
No legal link bar being part of the same company?
Are you for f**king serious?
They aren't the same company. You are being willfully ignorant now.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2026, 05:32:01 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 07, 2026, 04:47:47 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2026, 03:36:14 PMI also read it there. If Allianz Ireland was funding Israel yous might have a point. As it is they are not and have no legal link to PIMCO, bar the fact they are owned by the same parent company, which happens to own hundreds upon hundreds of insurance companies and manages trillions worth of assets.
They are seperate legal entities.
This is all without considering the can of worms that would open when the GAA unilaterly cancels any commercial deal.
No legal link bar being part of the same company?
Are you for f**king serious?
They aren't the same company. You are being willfully ignorant now.
I am?
You cannot seriously be saying that the Irish Allianz entity that do the sponsorship and the US Allianz entity that fund genocide are not both part of Allianz.
That is literally like saying Derry can't play Dublin as they are seperate entities within the GAA so therefore not part of the GAA.
Lol no it isn't. If Dublin County board did something dodgy or unethical would you punish Derry County board? This is your analogy not mine.
I'll be honest I only done digging on this after the protest last week. I read back through this thread and I can see several posters have tried repeatedly to explain it to you and you just ignore what they are saying so I'm not wasting my weekend anymore.
Good luck.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 07, 2026, 06:55:48 PMLol no it isn't. If Dublin County board did something dodgy or unethical would you punish Derry County board? This is your analogy not mine.
I'll be honest I only done digging on this after the protest last week. I read back through this thread and I can see several posters have tried repeatedly to explain it to you and you just ignore what they are saying so I'm not wasting my weekend anymore.
Good luck.
No, but you are saying they aren't both part of the GAA.
Are we seriously at the point where we are claiming different bits of a company aren't linked by both being part of that company? This is absolutely demeaning.
Booking some travel this week...I see Allianz are the insurance company used by Aer Lingus.
Are people planning to protest or boycott Aer Lingus?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 07, 2026, 07:11:30 PMBooking some travel this week...I see Allianz are the insurance company used by Aer Lingus.
Are people planning to protest or boycott Aer Lingus?
You'd be busy protesting every outfit Allianz and Zionism is involved in.
The issue with the GAA is that most protesters, and those opposed to it, are GAA members. It is us.. our GAA, despite what Jarlath and his mates might think.
Ive been to Limeeick, Wexford and Sligo and didnt see any protests.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 15, 2026, 07:17:59 PMIve been to Limeeick, Wexford and Sligo and didnt see any protests.
Hardly surprising.. most there weren't too bothered when fellow Irish men in the North were dying on hunger strike or getting slaughtered on Bloody Sunday and other atrocities so hardly be worried about a genocide being sponsored in Gaza.
You'll find most protests are counties identify with oppression though to be fair Offaly, Roscommon and the Dubs have stepped up as well.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 15, 2026, 07:17:59 PMIve been to Limeeick, Wexford and Sligo and didnt see any protests.
they must've knew you were coming and didn't want to ruin your day out
GPA co founder Donal O Neill thinks that the GAA should not only drop the Allianz sponsorship unilaterally, but should rename the leagues as the "Free Palestine National Leagues"...
So, that's the Allianz football league all wrapped up for 2026 with little more than a whimper in protest. Home Bargains getting wrecked tomorrow no doubt.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 29, 2026, 07:38:04 PMSo, that's the Allianz football league all wrapped up for 2026 with little more than a whimper in protest. Home Bargains getting wrecked tomorrow no doubt.
Why what did they do?
They stock some products from Israel. Has led to their staff being abused on a daily basis as Palestine protesters enter the store to hide the Israel products around the place.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 29, 2026, 09:18:56 PMThey stock some products from Israel. Has led to their staff being abused on a daily basis as Palestine protesters enter the store to hide the Israel products around the place.
Has it?
Yes.
Oh well. Stop handling Israeli goods so
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2026, 09:55:09 PMOh well. Stop handling Israeli goods so
The shop staff who are on minimum wage ?
Quote from: Deerstalker on March 29, 2026, 09:56:17 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2026, 09:55:09 PMOh well. Stop handling Israeli goods so
The shop staff who are on minimum wage ?
Yep. Didn't the Dunnes workers do it years ago.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 29, 2026, 09:18:56 PMThey stock some products from Israel. Has led to their staff being abused on a daily basis as Palestine protesters enter the store to hide the Israel products around the place.
Oh. What sort of stuff do you know?
Wet wipes.
Ironically.