Poll
Question:
The Allianz Deal
Option 1: Drop it now
Option 2: Don't renew
Option 3: Leave in place
What say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
https://www.bing.com/search?setmkt=en-GB&q=allianz+in+israel&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB
Allianz has faced significant scrutiny regarding its business practices in Israel, particularly in the context of its insurance and investment ties with companies involved in military operations.
Investment in Military Equipment: Allianz has been implicated in funding companies like Elbit Systems, which produces military drones used in Gaza, raising concerns about its role in supporting Israel's military actions.
2
Protests and Activism: Activists have targeted Allianz offices across Europe, demanding that the company cease its ties with Elbit Systems, citing its involvement in the ongoing conflict in Gaza.
1
Catholic Church Calls for Action: The Catholic Church has also called for Allianz to sever ties with the company, reflecting the broader ethical concerns surrounding corporate involvement in military conflicts.
1
These developments highlight the ongoing debate about the ethical implications of multinational corporations like Allianz in the region."
The GAA should dump them.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 07:00:10 PMWhat say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
As usual Irish people deluding themselves soft power matters. Do not understand reality of power or how to wield it[if they had any].
If Irish were like the Jews , right now there would be a United Ireland. Britain would have a famine museum in every town and there would be nuclear armed submarines patrolling the shores
Quote from: DaleCooper on December 23, 2025, 09:33:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 07:00:10 PMWhat say the troops.
Is Burns right in his logic that it's too much hassle to remove Allianz as sponsor? Or is this peak money grabbing from an Association losing touch with it's members?
As usual Irish people deluding themselves soft power matters. Do not understand reality of power or how to wield it[if they had any].
If Irish were like the Jews , right now there would be a United Ireland. Britain would have a famine museum in every town and there would be nuclear armed submarines patrolling the shores
This has what to do with Allianz and Burns being less than truthful?
I'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
Think I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMDefinitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such.
How can this assist in preventing genocide in Palestine?
If people who believe the GAA is wrong in being sponsored by a certain company, by all means boycott the organisation and the sponsor. And by bringing it to the attention of other members of the GAA allow us to choose not to support the GAA or the sponsor if that is what we believe.
Direct action or whatever it would be called at GAA matches is grandstanding for effect it will not be constructive in resolving any issues those protesting have with the GAA.
It is possible to be a GAA member, against genocide and not care about the sponsor.
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 11:46:53 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMDefinitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such.
How can this assist in preventing genocide in Palestine?
If people who believe the GAA is wrong in being sponsored by a certain company, by all means boycott the organisation and the sponsor. And by bringing it to the attention of other members of the GAA allow us to choose not to support the GAA or the sponsor if that is what we believe.
Direct action or whatever it would be called at GAA matches is grandstanding for effect it will not be constructive in resolving any issues those protesting have with the GAA.
It is possible to be a GAA member, against genocide and not care about the sponsor.
Really?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
I am in 2 minds about this. I believe Armagh were one of 8 counties to bring or back the motion to drop Allianz so there is that but still sits very uneasy with me Allianz remaining the sponsor of the leagues. Genuinely not sure what to do. I am not a season ticket holder and juts get my tickets in a match by match basis so have time yet to decide
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
GPA don't even reply to email messages on the subject... def ourselves alone ££
Be interesting to see do any players speak out..
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMI know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six"
You'd not have the slightest f**king clue about it if it wasn't for the petition delivered to Croke Park signed by people from all over the island.
Busy year ahead for the GAA ethics committee
https://www.genocidewatch.com/countries-at-risk
Will the arseholes that are in torturing supermarket workers turn their attention to the GAA now ? I have a feeling they won't
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/1220/1550002-gaa-president-burns-defends-allianz-sponsorship-stance/
GAA president Jarlath Burns has said that a decision to cut ties with Allianz could have left the association potentially "toxic" to other sponsors, warned that the disruption to clubs would have been significant and said that the financial impact would have been severe.
Speaking on RTÉ Radio 1's Saturday Sport, the Armagh man also stressed that the company they deal with – Allianz Ireland – has no links to the ongoing war in Gaza and staunchly defended the GAA's response to the war in Palestine.
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:32:56 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMI know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six"
You'd not have the slightest f**king clue about it if it wasn't for the petition delivered to Croke Park signed by people from all over the island.
My bad... is that why the county boards opposing the Allianz sponsorship are Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry, Down, Antrim, Armagh, Leitrim, Roscommon and Offaly? Huge take-up in the '26' ... not!
Dr David Hickey and other Dubs (male and female players) have campaigned as well.
By the way that campaign to Croke Park was most initiated and led by Nodlaig Brolly a barrister from Dungiven. I was very aware of it.
You're very angry by the way... it's Christmas 🎄 ☺️
I dont know enough about their background, but i know some up North pension pots are stuck into some questionable bodies!
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Wrong
Quote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:05:40 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 10:19:31 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 23, 2025, 11:48:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on December 23, 2025, 10:48:29 PMI'll watch this thread with a little, not a lot, of interest. Not for the comments, for it will inevitably descend into 3-4 people misquoting each other as often as possible. More to see if the conversation just disappears quickly with little engagement. For I do believe that's how it'll pan out in the real world.
I'm not sure. I think enough people are pissed off with Burns nonsense to boycott games, or even put on a picket.
It's not just the 'no', it's the dogshit he came out with to justify it.
I'm not sure there will be numbers for boycotts, certainly not in the '26' as its called. I know that's partitionist but does reflect the level of interest and support for Palestine apart from in Dublin GAA. Is much more awareness and activism in the "wee six".
Definitely will be pickets. Protests best way to go... field incursions and such. Jarlath had his eyes on the Presidency for years and said nothing that would undermine that. He's not going to go off message now.
Wrong
All of that or some of it?! :D
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
Probably uses google
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 07:09:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Says the far right, anti immigrant, pro fox hunting, pro Kingsmill neanderthal who think sexual harassment is no big deal.
Enjoy Christmas in your cave. I'm sure Morgan's will heat it for you.
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 08:27:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 07:09:49 PMQuote from: gallsman on December 24, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 24, 2025, 08:57:38 AMThink I've lost whatever respect I had left for him after that tripe.
He'll be crying himself to sleep, I'm sure.
Ah it's Christmas, have a day off from being a nasty little twat for once will yaa
Says the far right, anti immigrant, pro fox hunting, pro Kingsmill neanderthal who think sexual harassment is no big deal.
Enjoy Christmas in your cave. I'm sure Morgan's will heat it for you.
Sad, angry little man..
This isn't very Chrismassy
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
There is a lot of grassroots opposition to Allianz. The excuse that they can't get another insurer is fake.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
How do you resign your GAA membership? Do you ring your club and tell them you're 'resigning'?
From August
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/08/20/gaa-players-protest-over-organisations-sponsorship-deal-with-allianz/
Almost 800 football, hurling and camogie players have signed an open letter asking the GAA to end its relationship with Allianz, an insurance company, claiming its financial ties are "enabling the genocide of the Palestinian people".
The letter was delivered to Tom Ryan, the director general of the GAA, at a protest outside Croke Park on Wednesday.
Allianz is a sponsor of the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship, the Allianz Leagues, the Camogie Association and Cumann na mBunscol.
A United Nations report published in June this year, led by special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese, found that asset management firms including Pimco, which is owned by German-based financial services company Allianz, was a significant buyer of Israeli treasury bonds. These bonds, the report argues, play a "critical role in funding the ongoing assault on Gaza".
I would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 04:29:50 PMI would put the resignation in writing. I guess not renewing for 2026 will be easier, certainly if I believed the GAA is complicit in genocide through sponsorship by a company that is funding the war and weapons companies I wouldn't be a member.
Not sure why we would leave the GAA which is as much our organisation and life since childhood. It is who we are. Better to fight this bullshit from within.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 11:25:24 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 24, 2025, 06:09:38 PMQuote from: GTP on December 24, 2025, 01:10:27 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 24, 2025, 12:05:28 PMReally?! ... even though the sponsor is complicit in that very genocide.
Yes, because I am doing it as I type. The sponsorship deal has no relevance to what is happening in Palestine and ending it will have no relevance to what is happening in Palestine.
The GAA is not complicit in genocide by being sponsored by this company, they just agreed a deal with someone under completely different circumstances which they might not have done if they knew what was coming down the road.
The sponsors are literally funding both the war and investing in the weapons companies supplying the war.
Say you don't care, it's far more credible than lying.
I don't see any lies and I did say I didn't care about the sponsorship.
BB2 I presume you have resigned membership of the GAA and made it clear to the association why you have done so and I hope your principled stance brings about the outcome you want.
That's my only option?
I guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PMQuote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.
Quote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:47:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 26, 2025, 08:31:06 PMQuote from: GTP on December 26, 2025, 08:26:08 PMI guess you could accept the GAA position and that others may not share your viewpoint.
It is up to you if you wish to remain part of an organisation you are saying is complicit in genocide. It seemed very important to you.
Just walk away and not fight against GAA leaders who are imposing this? 🤷 It's not over by a long shot.
Maybe that's what you want... "go away and don't challenge the genocide complicity... "
You have said the leaders are imposing this, yet your alternative is to impose your view on other GAA members which is hardly democratic.
Good luck with the campaign.
You need a democratic vote on whether the GAA should endorse genocide? Jeez!
Bring it on then...
I don't accept we are endorsing genocide so I won't comment further.
And we will comment further...
There is a very serious crisis at the heart of all this so I say this rather reluctantly, but, how this plays out within the GAA will be fascinating on a number of fronts.
The GAA should do better, simple as that.
f**k the money
https://x.com/MuseumFreeDerry/status/1958135104900915427
From "Novara media"
Two insurance firms, Allianz and Aviva, have stopped underwriting Israel's largest weapons manufacturer after a sustained direct action campaign by Palestine Action.
Allianz's coverage of Elbit Systems UK ended on 1 November, while Aviva's employment liability insurance coverage of UAV Engines Ltd – an Elbit subsidiary – came to an end on 7 September.
Elbit Systems UK is now receiving employer's liability insurance from Aspen Insurance, and UAV Engines is being insured by Chubb.
Aspen's Fenchurch Street offices were splashed with red paint in protest on Tuesday 23 December. Shortly afterwards, Swedish activist Greta Thunberg was arrested at the same location under section 13 of the Terrorism Act for holding a sign with the words: "I support Palestine Action prisoners. I oppose genocide."
The direct action campaign against Allianz and Aviva began in October 2024, before the group was proscribed under UK terror law, and involved Palestine Action targeting ten Allianz offices in one day to demand the firm cut ties with Elbit.
Palestine Action activists repeatedly targeted the insurance firms with red paint, flares and Palestinian flags. Allianz and Aviva both threatened Palestine Action with legal action before the group's proscription in July.
Palestine Action co-founder Huda Ammori told Novara Media: "This victory is testament to the power of direct action, and also exemplifies why Palestine Action was proscribed.
"It was banned because it was effective at disrupting the Israeli weapons industry."
Elbit is a key manufacturer of drones and other weapons in Britain used in Israel's genocide in Gaza. Israel has killed at least 70,000 in Gaza since October 2023, including approximately 20,000 children. Gaza is home to more child amputees than anywhere else on Earth.
Allianz confirmed earlier this month that it has "no relationship with Elbit Systems and does not engage in any investment or underwriting activity connected to the Middle East".
That is only a small part of the picture and is a win in that they are acknowledging Elbit's complicity. Allianz providing employer liability insurance for Elbit UK so that has ended.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Patrick Murphy doesn't miss the GAA hierarchy in his column in the Irish News today on this issue.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 01:35:00 PMThat is only a small part of the picture and is a win in that they are acknowledging Elbit's complicity. Allianz providing employer liability insurance for Elbit UK so that has ended.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Patrick Murphy doesn't miss the GAA hierarchy in his column in the Irish News today on this issue.
Can you put up the article?
https://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=<URL>
Sort if explains it well,as i wasnt really paying attention on what the Allianz issue was.
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Can only read first line. That's all I got myself earlier too.
Found it on X
@GaelsAgainstGen account
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
Good article. Captain Contrarian made me really want to read it
What I don't get is the continuing 70k dead total.. 70k was the total in or around mid-2024. We're entering 2026 next week
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
As I said already, (multiple times) get rid of them and others.
Wouldn't go to too many games.
Can the big supporters (supporting counties) get their money back if not going next year?
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Quote from: Main Street on December 28, 2025, 01:33:25 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 10:43:35 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:40:40 PMQuote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 27, 2025, 10:23:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 10:20:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:41:07 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 09:30:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 09:02:47 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 27, 2025, 08:44:37 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Quote from: Truthsayer on December 27, 2025, 04:13:13 PMhttps://www.irishnews.com/opinion/patrick-murphy-im-ashamed-to-be-a-member-of-the-gaa-NL6L6HBRFRCV7MFAKV2XRGSVJE/
I don't know how to post a picture here. I read it in the paper I bought...
Maybe you can read that above..
Do you know Patrick personally?
Character assassination incoming?...
He's a twat.. so there's that
As usual you play the man not the ball... what has he said there that's not true?
I didn't say or read what he said.. I just know he is a twat.
I'm against any involvement of those in supporting Israel..
But, you have used many things that have an Israeli stamp on it, many many times and continue to do so. So there's that also
:D ffs
I assume he's against the associations links with them.
None of that takes away from what I said. The guy is a twat, not for what he writes in a column in a paper.
Is that better?
I'll take your word for it 😆
Very comprehensive column about the topic all the same.
He is ashamed about being a member of the the GAA, so has he resigned his membership of his local GAA club?
has he stood in front of his local membership and explained why he's ripping up his virtual membership card presumably without claims for compensation for unused subscription? It follows that he shuns any support from himself or others for the GAA activities of his local club because of the Allianz sponsorship of the GAA.
As it so happens Allianz sold a controlling stake in Russian business to local entities after the Russian full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 2022 and took a (relatively small) hit of Eur200m.
Re Palestine (https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/allianz-and-aviva-drop-elbit-systems-insurance-after-palestine-protests)
Insurance companies Allianz and Aviva have reportedly ended their coverage of Israeli arms manufacturer Elbit Systems, according to campaigners.
Pro-Palestine activists said on Tuesday that the two insurers no longer provide policies to Elbit Systems following months of direct action and protests. The campaign was initially organised by the group Palestine Action in October 2024, before it was proscribed as a terrorist group in July.
Are you for real on the British government proscribing Palestine Action? A government that is up to its neck in supporting genocide and has an appaling human rights record including here in Ireland. I knew straight away where you are from with that statement.
The main issues re Allianz:
- Investment in Elbit and 14 other defence companies complicit in the genocide. Increased investments (almost doubled) in 2024.
- Allianz = Largest private investor in Israeli war bonds since October 2023.
Finding a new sponsor needs to be done.. can the league go ahead without a sponsorship?
Leagues went from late 1920s to 1990s without sponsors.
How much do GAA get from All***z?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 10:47:17 AMLeagues went from late 1920s to 1990s without sponsors.
How much do GAA get from All***z?
I think I read it as 10 million
ONE million maybe?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 05:36:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Not to the point where the UN specifically called them out.
Is whataboutery the new attack? Soccer and rugby are at it too?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2025/03/11/aviva-palestine-action-protest/
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 06:41:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 05:36:52 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 04:41:02 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 28, 2025, 04:35:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 28, 2025, 02:37:15 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 28, 2025, 01:17:14 PMONE million maybe?
Since 1993, 10m is possible.
But you would hope it's a lot. No point whoring yourselves out to allow yourself be used as a sports wash for peanuts. And then the icing on the cake of the head honcho lying through his teeth for you. Has to be enough to cause problems if it goes missing.
Is the Aviva part of this?
Part of what?
Insurance companies funding Israeli goods, businesses, war effort?
Not to the point where the UN specifically called them out.
Is whataboutery the new attack? Soccer and rugby are at it too?
Have you been to the Aviva recently?
Principles or money simple choice
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on December 28, 2025, 07:55:00 PMPrinciples or money simple choice
It is, some people though see that it's ok for some involvement over various things they would use daily by having a pop at an association they have no interest in
Hate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
Quote from: naka on Today at 09:21:11 AMHate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
When did the GAA drop Aviva?
In August this year Aviva became the official partner for all ClubberTV coverage for the 2025/2026 season, marking its first significant move into direct GAA sponsorship, specifically at the local, club level.
As for 'nothing in the world is untainted'. What does that even mean? Everything in the world is tainted? 🤷
Quote from: naka on Today at 09:21:11 AMHate the way social media dictates things
Gaa drop aviva
Gaa then lose out on revenue
Gaa raise prices and yet another free for all on social media
How come no issues with soccer rugby using Aviva!!
For what it's worth nothing in this world is untainted .
The FAI got a vote at UEFA level to expel Israel to be fair. They are listening to their members.
Aviva may be at it, but Allianz are the biggest offenders. The UN called them out.
We are playing into Burns's propaganda- they are all the same.
If you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
That's whataboutery. Allianz backs Israeli bonds
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
Whataboutery. I'm not personally boycotting all and any business that does business in Israel, and the mobile phone thing has been debunked. Being the biggest investor in war bonds and investing in Israeli weapons startups is a different thing.
Quote from: seafoid on Today at 12:02:10 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on Today at 11:56:45 AMIf you have used google at any point in the last couple of years then it's also tainted. If you have bought the kids a McDonald's again tainted and so on and so on..
I'd say the software in your device will be tainted.. but obviously there are degrees of 'taintedness' that's more acceptable than others..
So I'll ask again as he avoided like the plague. BB2 have you been to the Aviva recently?
That's whataboutery. Allianz backs Israeli bonds
Is it? I'm nearly sure there is a list that posters have put up on here asking people to not use, the same thing as we are asking the GAA to step away from Allianz.. You are putting a hierarchy on it
HP Dell Cisco to name a few, Coca-Cola Axa another on the list.. Quite an extensive list
In an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
Quote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
Much too level headed a response from this one.
Quote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
Other than journalists and those in the media does anyone call the National football league the Allianz leagues?
Same question about the many county grounds that have added sponsors to the name of their stadiums.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy which determines how much dealings a company has with Israel before we should stop using their services/products?
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
While huge companies are facilitating genocide and need challenged, for many many the GAA is us, who we are. It's not some big company that belongs to Jarlath Burns and suits in Croke Park. If you understand the ethos of the GAA which is build on our clubs and communities, we will not be forced into supporting this merger, the full extent of which was revealed this year. It is GAA people leading this campaign to end the Allianz sponsorship.. Colm O'Rourke, Dr David Hickey, Nodlaig Brolly, Damian O'Hagan and many more.. The GPA needs to man up..
Quote from: SCFC on Today at 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy which determines how much dealings a company has with Israel before we should stop using their services/products?
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
You talk pure keek! Either they are or they are not! If they are not involved then Aviva isn't under any pressure. You can't have well percentage wise Allianz is higher..
And now it's sports washing? When did that change?
Key Aspects of Aviva's Connection to Israel:
Investments: Aviva holds investments (stocks, bonds) in various global companies, some of which have operations or ties to Israel or settlements, drawing criticism from pro-Palestinian groups.
Ethical & ESG Policies: As a large investor, Aviva has environmental, social, and governance (ESG) criteria, and campaigns pressure them to align these with Palestinian rights, leading to divestment announcements from specific companies.
Specific Divestments: In late 2023/early 2024, Aviva pledged to sell holdings in companies like Elbit Systems (Israeli defense tech) and others with links to settlements, responding to pressure.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
The rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Quote from: Truthsayer on Today at 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
There's not.. just ban them all?
Quote from: SCFC on Today at 06:13:39 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 05:22:36 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 02:37:20 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on Today at 02:08:44 PMQuote from: SCFC on Today at 12:57:22 PMIn an ideal world, we wouldn't drink Coca-Cola, use Caterpiller plant machines, visit the Aviva, have Allianz as a sponsor or insurer, use Facebook, use HP, Siemens or Motorola products etc...
Can't see any of this happening on a concerted level so GAA shouldn't react to being singled out here.
How many of those companies are large investors in war bonds and arms companies?
I can't answer that. Probably not all of them.
Is there some sort of hierarchy largest institutional investor in war bonds
Should the IRFU be thinking about renaming their main stadium for instance?
I thought it was clear from the context, the answer is none.
If you can't tell the difference between a company that sells into Israel and a company that is the largest institutional investor in war bonds and provided capital for Elbit, there isn't much more to be said.
What rugby do and don't do is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. But on the basis soccer has been far more proactive, if Aviva was slightly as bad as Allianz we would have heard about it by now. My reading is they aren't.
But the simple reality is Croke Park are going along with a sports wash.
So there isn't a hierarchy to decide who we ban and who we don't? That's fine.
Coca Cola can continue to be sold behind GAA and soccer club bars across the country and the profits indirectly fund the Israeli war effort? Aviva can continue to insure homes and cars and sports clubs across the country? Happy days...
How exactly does Coca-Cola fund the war effort? Their local affiliate built a warehouse on an illegal settlement. That's bad, but nowhere near Allianz levels.
Quote from: Truthsayer on Today at 06:34:53 PMThe rationales not to get Allianz dumped from the GAA are off the charts here. Is impossible to chase down every individual and club selling Coca Cola and every car and home owner.. can only make people aware and hope individuals use their conscience. Our organisation the GAA (with 10s of 1000s of members) employing a company complicit in genocide we can force to stop.
The old whataboutary...
Interesting that they all sat on the fence until head office made the call...