https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/08/25/denis-walsh-gaa-must-take-a-leap-on-paying-managers-and-deal-with-the-consequences/
The certainty this time is that something will be done. A profound change will be made. The crocked status quo won't be waved through, on the nod. Some provision will be made to account for the day-to-day reality of the GAA's relationship with so-called amateurism. It will involve sanctioned payments, and it will alter the landscape for good. Can you think of any other credible outcome?
In recent weeks, the GAA president Jarlath Burns and members of the latest Amateur Status Review committee have met county board officers in a series of gatherings around the country. The purpose of those meetings was not just to explain the committee's thinking but to workshop their ideas. They were happy for the officers to drill holes in them.
The status quo will remain, un-sanctioned payments too lucrative
This is coming from the top driven by Jarlath Burns.
GAA President Peter Quinn set about a review into under the table payments, the review concluded that they couldn't find the table
Jarlath is in role until Feb 2027, Uachtarán-Tofa will be in place by Feb 2026 allowing the new President (post-Jarlath) to transition and for handover
Its not possible to implement sanctioned payments by then, Jarlath will merely pass the baton on
The money is in unsanctioned payments, avoiding tax and scrutiny, I dare say you'd need a Gaelic Managers Association with a desire to make it happen for it to happen
Its a noble thought all the same
Quote from: tiempo on August 27, 2025, 05:23:38 PMGAA President Peter Quinn set about a review into under the table payments, the review concluded that they couldn't find the table
Jarlath is in role until Feb 2027, Uachtarán-Tofa will be in place by Feb 2026 allowing the new President (post-Jarlath) to transition and for handover
Its not possible to implement sanctioned payments by then, Jarlath will merely pass the baton on
The money is in unsanctioned payments, avoiding tax and scrutiny, I dare say you'd need a Gaelic Managers Association with a desire to make it happen for it to happen
Its a noble thought all the same
Avoiding tax is down to the person not necessarily the county I'd assume?
Scrutiny?
Would the manager be an Employee or contractor?
This might come into play...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41693621.html
Quote from: Rossfan on August 27, 2025, 08:41:11 PMWould the manager be an Employee or contractor?
This might come into play...
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41693621.html
I'd say the possibility of the Revenue accepting intercounty managers as contractors is fairly remote.
From that article, it really looks like Revenue is going to be keeping a much stricter eye on county boards and their potential tax liabilities going forward. That's a potential minefield in relation to all and any payments to managers.
The fact that the article mentions each county board's self-assessment was "quality checked" by central GAA authorities prior to submission to the Revenue is notable - if I had to guess I would say that the central authorities agreed to turn a blind eye in terms of payments made to managers and others during the period in question so that the information going to Revenue was accurate, especially given the ongoing issue of the relationship between Revenue and the GAA. The GAA powers-that-be would have wanted the various county boards to be 100% honest with their submissions as any county trying to be sneaky would risk Revenue coming down like a hammer on the GAA. However I'd be fairly certain county treasurers were warned that things were going to change in terms of payments to management teams going forward.
Burns knows if the Revenue start investigating the tax affairs of the GAA at anything more than surface level they are going to find an absolute laundry list of tax evasion and other laws around financial affairs being broken. That would be an absolute PR nightmare.
The bit in the article about the six counties being advised to undertake self reviews as well is another notable element. Long-term I really don't think the powers-that-be are going to stand for different levels of regulations in place because of the border.
It looks like the taxman isn't willing to look the other way any longer in terms of GAA payments to managers which I'd imagine will change things significantly on the amateurism front.
Heard the Committee are going to propose a fixed €20,000 payment to managers.
They wouldn't get out of bed for that😄
Quote from: Rossfan on August 28, 2025, 08:25:31 PMHeard the Committee are going to propose a fixed €20,000 payment to managers.
They wouldn't get out of bed for that😄
Some of them will and some of them won't. Some will pack it in but I can see a lot a lot saying €20k a year is better than nothing.
If you're managing a hurling county down the tiers getting €20k a year would probably be an increase huge.
The other thing is that Croke Park are looking down the road and planning for the fact that camogie and ladies football managers will be looking for the same payment too.
A knock-on affect is that the powers that be will have to go after payments by clubs otherwise there will be a mass exodus of names to club management.
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 29, 2025, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: Rossfan on August 28, 2025, 08:25:31 PMHeard the Committee are going to propose a fixed €20,000 payment to managers.
They wouldn't get out of bed for that😄
Some of them will and some of them won't. Some will pack it in but I can see a lot a lot saying €20k a year is better than nothing.
If you're managing a hurling county down the tiers getting €20k a year would probably be an increase huge.
The other thing is that Croke Park are looking down the road and planning for the fact that camogie and ladies football managers will be looking for the same payment too.
A knock-on affect is that the powers that be will have to go after payments by clubs otherwise there will be a mass exodus of names to club management.
Croke Park needs to hold firm on amateur status. If county boards or clubs are slipping managers money under the table, that's a matter strictly between payer and recipient, not an issue for Croke Park. The real danger lies in trying to create a framework that would legitimise these payments. That would only open the door to more problems than it solves.
As things stand, the only rule being broken is the GAA's own amateur principle, and beyond that, it veers into a question of tax compliance, not a matter for the GAA itself. It's no more the GAA's business than the private life of Rory Gallagher was
Quote from: tiempo on August 29, 2025, 11:42:46 AMQuote from: twohands!!! on August 29, 2025, 11:22:01 AMQuote from: Rossfan on August 28, 2025, 08:25:31 PMHeard the Committee are going to propose a fixed €20,000 payment to managers.
They wouldn't get out of bed for that😄
Some of them will and some of them won't. Some will pack it in but I can see a lot a lot saying €20k a year is better than nothing.
If you're managing a hurling county down the tiers getting €20k a year would probably be an increase huge.
The other thing is that Croke Park are looking down the road and planning for the fact that camogie and ladies football managers will be looking for the same payment too.
A knock-on affect is that the powers that be will have to go after payments by clubs otherwise there will be a mass exodus of names to club management.
Croke Park needs to hold firm on amateur status. If county boards or clubs are slipping managers money under the table, that's a matter strictly between payer and recipient, not an issue for Croke Park. The real danger lies in trying to create a framework that would legitimise these payments. That would only open the door to more problems than it solves.
As things stand, the only rule being broken is the GAA's own amateur principle, and beyond that, it veers into a question of tax compliance, not a matter for the GAA itself. It's no more the GAA's business than the private life of Rory Gallagher was
The manager is 'self employed' and whatever under or over the table payments he should be declaring that. That is the easiest solution and stops having the county board worrying about the tax owned/not paid problems
It will, if it ever happens, bring in more local based managers rather than ones travelling 100's of miles.
Be interesting to see how it unfolds
Is an "under the counter" payment not hidden by both parties?
Quote from: tiempo on August 29, 2025, 11:42:46 AMCroke Park needs to hold firm on amateur status. If county boards or clubs are slipping managers money under the table, that's a matter strictly between payer and recipient, not an issue for Croke Park. The real danger lies in trying to create a framework that would legitimise these payments. That would only open the door to more problems than it solves.
No, I think that GAA central has to require units of the association, whether clubs, counties or provinces, to have proper accounts.
Is there a senior county team in div 1 under 80-100k for a management team. I doubt it!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2025, 03:27:55 AMIs there a senior county team in div 1 under 80-100k for a management team. I doubt it!
I'd say not. But there's just 32 counties in Ireland.
The club situation is a lot messier.
But in a club situation, is it not usually a business man or a couple of them who chip in to give 'expenses' to the management?
How do you regulate that?
Quote from: marty34 on August 30, 2025, 07:43:11 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2025, 03:27:55 AMIs there a senior county team in div 1 under 80-100k for a management team. I doubt it!
I'd say not. But there's just 32 counties in Ireland.
The club situation is a lot messier.
But in a club situation, is it not usually a business man or a couple of them who chip in to give 'expenses' to the management?
How do you regulate that?
There's no way a county board is paying that out by itself to one man, as like the clubs there will be other 'funding' found to pay for that.
There are "benefactors", the sponsored free car, free overnights in hotels (while claiming travel no doubt)....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 08:07:46 AMQuote from: marty34 on August 30, 2025, 07:43:11 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2025, 03:27:55 AMIs there a senior county team in div 1 under 80-100k for a management team. I doubt it!
I'd say not. But there's just 32 counties in Ireland.
The club situation is a lot messier.
But in a club situation, is it not usually a business man or a couple of them who chip in to give 'expenses' to the management?
How do you regulate that?
There's no way a county board is paying that out by itself to one man, as like the clubs there will be other 'funding' found to pay for that.
Antrim quite literally had on their accounts last year they paid £125k if memory serves me right to their senior hurling management team, McEntee was slightly less.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
Should Coaches be paid? Should the Bus driver be paid? The lad who cuts the pitch? The lad who lines the pitch? The Physio? The Kit man? The Statistician? The team Doctor? Should players get expenses?
Where does Amateurism begin and finish?
Quote from: Deerstalker on August 30, 2025, 09:45:28 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on August 30, 2025, 08:07:46 AMQuote from: marty34 on August 30, 2025, 07:43:11 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2025, 03:27:55 AMIs there a senior county team in div 1 under 80-100k for a management team. I doubt it!
I'd say not. But there's just 32 counties in Ireland.
The club situation is a lot messier.
But in a club situation, is it not usually a business man or a couple of them who chip in to give 'expenses' to the management?
How do you regulate that?
There's no way a county board is paying that out by itself to one man, as like the clubs there will be other 'funding' found to pay for that.
Antrim quite literally had on their accounts last year they paid £125k if memory serves me right to their senior hurling management team, McEntee was slightly less.
Team?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
Quote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:27:20 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Exactly.
How anybody could argue that managers make more of a sacrifice than players is beyond my comprehension. If we start paying managers we almost certainly have to pay players shortly after.
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Whats this pay for play you speak of?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/02/12/gaelic-players-associations-support-of-amateur-status-cannot-be-guaranteed-parsons-warns/
The only thing amateur about the GAA is its inability to put special interest groups in their place
Jarlath reckons integration will cost £500 million
Its sexy to talk in multiples of hundreds of millions and billions, its all over the news and medja these days, want to be careful we don't miss out right?
Quote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 10:01:01 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:27:20 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Exactly.
How anybody could argue that managers make more of a sacrifice than players is beyond my comprehension. If we start paying managers we almost certainly have to pay players shortly after.
Experience in intercounty management?
The player looks after one person, himself, his sacrifice is to ensure he's fit and skilled and ready for playing. He goes home and that is his job.
The manager is looking after 30 squad players, his own team, the media, arranging challenge games, prep for match day, dealing with players problems/injuries/form. He's also dealing with the online crap too ::)
I'm not sure its how its beyond comprehension that a manager is doing the same as a player in regards to sacrifice..
The manager is there every day, as much as the player, and then some
What came first, management getting paid or the higher level of committment?
If the sacrifice is too high it should be reduced, I suspect that ship has sailed though.
The further away from amateur status the Gaa moves the cost will be paid by club members and players, simple things like less money to subsidy then insurance/cost recovery fund, less central coaching, less grants for facilities.
A quick Look at social media shows clubs are already wall to wall fund raising - the only place left to squeeze is mandatory higher membership fee's and that really does cut at the heart of Gaa accessibility and availability for all.
Quote from: BigGreenField on September 02, 2025, 10:53:15 AMWhat came first, management getting paid or the higher level of committment?
If the sacrifice is too high it should be reduced, I suspect that ship has sailed though.
The further away from amateur status the Gaa moves the cost will be paid by club members and players, simple things like less money to subsidy then insurance/cost recovery fund, less central coaching, less grants for facilities.
A quick Look at social media shows clubs are already wall to wall fund raising - the only place left to squeeze is mandatory higher membership fee's and that really does cut at the heart of Gaa accessibility and availability for all.
Clubs would be far better getting an inside man if at all possible to take the senior team (unpaid) and using the thousands saved each year to invest in better pitch/gym/lights facilities even down to basic equipment for underage which would stand them better in the future. Most of the time the clubs paying the manager could bring in Jim Gavin and still have 0 hope of winning a championship.
I know I give a fair bit every year between membership and lotto and various sponsorship and fundraisers and I know where I prefer my money to go.
Quote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 10:01:01 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:27:20 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Exactly.
How anybody could argue that managers make more of a sacrifice than players is beyond my comprehension. If we start paying managers we almost certainly have to pay players shortly after.
I would. Managers, or at least successful ones, put in more hours than players.
The question is whether they should get paid for it. And if you pay them, you pay trainers, physios, analysts and so on. I can see an argument for this and see no reason why it can't be done above board and with taxes paid. The Dubs will pay more than Carlow, deal with it.
But. And here is the but. Can you realistically have full time coaches and an amateur team being coached?
But hacin
Quote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 10:18:40 AM< GPA rep has entered the chat >
Whats this pay for play you speak of?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/02/12/gaelic-players-associations-support-of-amateur-status-cannot-be-guaranteed-parsons-warns/
The only thing amateur about the GAA is its inability to put special interest groups in their place
Jarlath reckons integration will cost £500 million
Its sexy to talk in multiples of hundreds of millions and billions, its all over the news and medja these days, want to be careful we don't miss out right?
Here we go. The GPA have commissioned a report that states the bleeding obvious and it is with government. The taxpayer grants, which were a very hard sell outside the GAA, are suddenly not enough.
That intellectual flip flop that they are amateur because it's a grant, not a payment, is back and they want it increased. I was right, last week's 'article' was a kite followed immediately by a GPA consultants report.
Quote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 10:01:01 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:27:20 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Exactly.
How anybody could argue that managers make more of a sacrifice than players is beyond my comprehension. If we start paying managers we almost certainly have to pay players shortly after.
Mad Ted!
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 02, 2025, 11:05:27 AMQuote from: BigGreenField on September 02, 2025, 10:53:15 AMWhat came first, management getting paid or the higher level of committment?
If the sacrifice is too high it should be reduced, I suspect that ship has sailed though.
The further away from amateur status the Gaa moves the cost will be paid by club members and players, simple things like less money to subsidy then insurance/cost recovery fund, less central coaching, less grants for facilities.
A quick Look at social media shows clubs are already wall to wall fund raising - the only place left to squeeze is mandatory higher membership fee's and that really does cut at the heart of Gaa accessibility and availability for all.
Clubs would be far better getting an inside man if at all possible to take the senior team (unpaid) and using the thousands saved each year to invest in better pitch/gym/lights facilities even down to basic equipment for underage which would stand them better in the future. Most of the time the clubs paying the manager could bring in Jim Gavin and still have 0 hope of winning a championship.
I know I give a fair bit every year between membership and lotto and various sponsorship and fundraisers and I know where I prefer my money to go.
What clubs are paying manager's from their own pot? Can't be too many surely?
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 11:33:40 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 02, 2025, 11:05:27 AMQuote from: BigGreenField on September 02, 2025, 10:53:15 AMWhat came first, management getting paid or the higher level of committment?
If the sacrifice is too high it should be reduced, I suspect that ship has sailed though.
The further away from amateur status the Gaa moves the cost will be paid by club members and players, simple things like less money to subsidy then insurance/cost recovery fund, less central coaching, less grants for facilities.
A quick Look at social media shows clubs are already wall to wall fund raising - the only place left to squeeze is mandatory higher membership fee's and that really does cut at the heart of Gaa accessibility and availability for all.
Clubs would be far better getting an inside man if at all possible to take the senior team (unpaid) and using the thousands saved each year to invest in better pitch/gym/lights facilities even down to basic equipment for underage which would stand them better in the future. Most of the time the clubs paying the manager could bring in Jim Gavin and still have 0 hope of winning a championship.
I know I give a fair bit every year between membership and lotto and various sponsorship and fundraisers and I know where I prefer my money to go.
What clubs are paying manager's from their own pot? Can't be too many surely?
Well the money is coming from somewhere. Whoever is stumping it up surely could put it to better use within the club than give it to some mercenary manager.
Quote from: Armagh18 on September 02, 2025, 11:49:03 AMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 11:33:40 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on September 02, 2025, 11:05:27 AMQuote from: BigGreenField on September 02, 2025, 10:53:15 AMWhat came first, management getting paid or the higher level of committment?
If the sacrifice is too high it should be reduced, I suspect that ship has sailed though.
The further away from amateur status the Gaa moves the cost will be paid by club members and players, simple things like less money to subsidy then insurance/cost recovery fund, less central coaching, less grants for facilities.
A quick Look at social media shows clubs are already wall to wall fund raising - the only place left to squeeze is mandatory higher membership fee's and that really does cut at the heart of Gaa accessibility and availability for all.
Clubs would be far better getting an inside man if at all possible to take the senior team (unpaid) and using the thousands saved each year to invest in better pitch/gym/lights facilities even down to basic equipment for underage which would stand them better in the future. Most of the time the clubs paying the manager could bring in Jim Gavin and still have 0 hope of winning a championship.
I know I give a fair bit every year between membership and lotto and various sponsorship and fundraisers and I know where I prefer my money to go.
What clubs are paying manager's from their own pot? Can't be too many surely?
Well the money is coming from somewhere. Whoever is stumping it up surely could put it to better use within the club than give it to some mercenary manager.
Yes, benefactors will be local businesses with attachments to the club. How they spend their money is their business.
In all my years I know of 1 club who directly handed over the brown envelope, and that was / is a junior club.
It takes a huge amount of money to run a club, not too many committee meetings signing off x amount of thousands away from their coffers directly to a mercenary manager I wouldn't have thought
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 11:27:24 AMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 10:18:40 AM< GPA rep has entered the chat >
Whats this pay for play you speak of?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/02/12/gaelic-players-associations-support-of-amateur-status-cannot-be-guaranteed-parsons-warns/
The only thing amateur about the GAA is its inability to put special interest groups in their place
Jarlath reckons integration will cost £500 million
Its sexy to talk in multiples of hundreds of millions and billions, its all over the news and medja these days, want to be careful we don't miss out right?
Here we go. The GPA have commissioned a report that states the bleeding obvious and it is with government. The taxpayer grants, which were a very hard sell outside the GAA, are suddenly not enough.
That intellectual flip flop that they are amateur because it's a grant, not a payment, is back and they want it increased. I was right, last week's 'article' was a kite followed immediately by a GPA consultants report.
Uncle Tom heads an organisation whose constitution includes a clause stating their commitment to maintaining and protecting the amateur status of Gaelic games, then states that position can't be guaranteed
2 options for Tom
- exit stage left so the GPA can appoint a CEO who will uphold the GPA constitution
- or way and organise your own pro-Gaelic league, in your own grounds, with your own competitions, your own marketing, your own TV deal, your own groundmen, your own cups medals and so on, you know like the union-league split in rugby
I'll say it again the GAA is ineffective at dealing with mutiny from within
Quote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 12:08:54 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 11:27:24 AMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 10:18:40 AM< GPA rep has entered the chat >
Whats this pay for play you speak of?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/02/12/gaelic-players-associations-support-of-amateur-status-cannot-be-guaranteed-parsons-warns/
The only thing amateur about the GAA is its inability to put special interest groups in their place
Jarlath reckons integration will cost £500 million
Its sexy to talk in multiples of hundreds of millions and billions, its all over the news and medja these days, want to be careful we don't miss out right?
Here we go. The GPA have commissioned a report that states the bleeding obvious and it is with government. The taxpayer grants, which were a very hard sell outside the GAA, are suddenly not enough.
That intellectual flip flop that they are amateur because it's a grant, not a payment, is back and they want it increased. I was right, last week's 'article' was a kite followed immediately by a GPA consultants report.
Uncle Tom heads an organisation whose constitution includes a clause stating their commitment to maintaining and protecting the amateur status of Gaelic games, then states that position can't be guaranteed
2 options for Tom
- exit stage left so the GPA can appoint a CEO who will uphold the GPA constitution
- or way and organise your own pro-Gaelic league, in your own grounds, with your own competitions, your own marketing, your own TV deal, your own groundmen, your own cups medals and so on, you know like the union-league split in rugby
I'll say it again the GAA is ineffective at dealing with mutiny from within
Agreed.
Once those grants came in it was a matter of time. The plan appears to be to increase the grants to semi pro levels. Then a few years later try for a living wage. Then a full time wage.
Obviously this requires the government to play ball, but the concept that so long as the GAA don't write the cheque it's not a payment was dodgy then and is dangerous now.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:23:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 12:08:54 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 11:27:24 AMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 10:18:40 AM< GPA rep has entered the chat >
Whats this pay for play you speak of?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/02/12/gaelic-players-associations-support-of-amateur-status-cannot-be-guaranteed-parsons-warns/
The only thing amateur about the GAA is its inability to put special interest groups in their place
Jarlath reckons integration will cost £500 million
Its sexy to talk in multiples of hundreds of millions and billions, its all over the news and medja these days, want to be careful we don't miss out right?
Here we go. The GPA have commissioned a report that states the bleeding obvious and it is with government. The taxpayer grants, which were a very hard sell outside the GAA, are suddenly not enough.
That intellectual flip flop that they are amateur because it's a grant, not a payment, is back and they want it increased. I was right, last week's 'article' was a kite followed immediately by a GPA consultants report.
Uncle Tom heads an organisation whose constitution includes a clause stating their commitment to maintaining and protecting the amateur status of Gaelic games, then states that position can't be guaranteed
2 options for Tom
- exit stage left so the GPA can appoint a CEO who will uphold the GPA constitution
- or way and organise your own pro-Gaelic league, in your own grounds, with your own competitions, your own marketing, your own TV deal, your own groundmen, your own cups medals and so on, you know like the union-league split in rugby
I'll say it again the GAA is ineffective at dealing with mutiny from within
Agreed.
Once those grants came in it was a matter of time. The plan appears to be to increase the grants to semi pro levels. Then a few years later try for a living wage. Then a full time wage.
Obviously this requires the government to play ball, but the concept that so long as the GAA don't write the cheque it's not a payment was dodgy then and is dangerous now.
What plan?
And who will avail of the semi pro / living / full time wage?
The GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
Tiempo, go out and take a walk.
You'll feel better then.
Quote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 02, 2025, 10:32:13 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 10:01:01 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 01:27:20 AMQuote from: trileacman on September 02, 2025, 12:28:35 AMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on August 30, 2025, 12:23:24 PMQuote from: Rossfan on August 30, 2025, 11:29:48 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2025/0829/1530876-the-20-000-question-we-ask-should-managers-be-paid/
A strange article. It works on the basis there are no payments and then pitches semi professionalism. So Croke Park are flying this kite now.
There's some moron footballers about who love to talk. That idiot there give the example of All Ireland final day as an example of how much money the GAA makes and offers it as some sort of justification for paying managers.
"82,000 people at 100euro a ticket. And that's just 2 days" says he. As if the GAA is selling out Croke Park 300 times a year and not telling any of us about it. Such a gobshite.
But all that will happen here is managers will get €20k *and* the under the table stuff.
Exactly.
How anybody could argue that managers make more of a sacrifice than players is beyond my comprehension. If we start paying managers we almost certainly have to pay players shortly after.
Experience in intercounty management?
The player looks after one person, himself, his sacrifice is to ensure he's fit and skilled and ready for playing. He goes home and that is his job.
The manager is looking after 30 squad players, his own team, the media, arranging challenge games, prep for match day, dealing with players problems/injuries/form. He's also dealing with the online crap too ::)
I'm not sure its how its beyond comprehension that a manager is doing the same as a player in regards to sacrifice..
The manager is there every day, as much as the player, and then some
So you think managers are making more of a sacrifice than players?
"Dealing with online crap" - players have to do that too in some cases to a much greater extreme than managers - look at Rian O'Neil or Kyle Hayes.
"Dealing with the media" - come on, a few post match interviews and if they want they can do a mid-season article with some broadsheet. Players also have media interviews to do. Any manager who's scouring the papers to see what's being said about him or the team is an idiot.
"Dealing with injuries" - I'd rather be on the one dealing with a broken jaw, concussion or ruptured ACL than the one receiving those injuries. The players are putting their bodies on the line, quite frequently receiving painful injuries than interfere with their work commitments and home commitments.
As for the going home comment, a manager goes home and can eat as much shite as he wants, drink like a fish if he wants and stay up all night if he wants, none of which will affect his performance as a manager. Players entire lifestyle is dedicated to their role as inter county players.
I'm not saying managers have it easy, they have a lot of thinking to do but without any doubt in my mind the intercounty players make more sacrifices than intercounty managers.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
Much like professional students v amateur students like myself.
You might like a headline grabber, but the reality is, players are most likely out money, which does scream amateur at me. Look, boots and gloves a lucozade sport or two = a Guinness 0.0-bridgehead
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:31:00 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
Much like professional students v amateur students like myself.
You might like a headline grabber, but the reality is, players are most likely out money, which does scream amateur at me. Look, boots and gloves a lucozade sport or two = a Guinness 0.0-bridgehead
Plenty of golf and tennis pros end up out of pocket. Doesn't mean they are amateur.
What is your definition of an amateur sports person?
What is your definition of a professional sports person?
How many years have the grants been in play and how many years has the GAA been on this slippery slope into the pro world? 32 versions of the 4 pro rugby teams will definitely work, how could it not??
What's that word from Shawshank, yes, obtuse... You're being that
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
I won an €80 voucher at a golf open last month.
Semi professional I am.
Always dreamed of this day.
He tries hard
Quote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 10:00:27 PMHow many years have the grants been in play and how many years has the GAA been on this slippery slope into the pro world? 32 versions of the 4 pro rugby teams will definitely work, how could it not??
What's that word from Shawshank, yes, obtuse... You're being that
I'm not suggesting a full time pro GAA is feasable or on the cards.
I am saying that once the elastic concept of amateurism was allowed via the grants, if someone else pays them it's not pay, then obviously the GPA will push for that grant to be increased. Which they are.
So how much remuneration is in question has magically become irrelevant. If outsiders pay them a million each they are still amateur.
It shouldn't have been allowed.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2025, 10:08:22 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
I won an €80 voucher at a golf open last month.
Semi professional I am.
Always dreamed of this day.
But if someone gave you €80 a week to golf are you still an amateur? In fact if that voucher was cash, technically you aren't anymore.
Give up BB.
You're entitled to your batshit crazy thoughts, but as pretty much every government and sporting authority in the world can differentiate between a professional and an amateur, and none would describe GAA players as professional, you're not entitled to your own facts.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
You have awful chip on shoulder when comes to GAA
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2025, 11:21:43 PMGive up BB.
You're entitled to your batshit crazy thoughts, but as pretty much every government and sporting authority in the world can differentiate between a professional and an amateur, and none would describe GAA players as professional, you're not entitled to your own facts.
I haven't described them as professionals. Deliberately.
But they aren't amateurs either. Money changes hands.
The grants were clearly an opening gambit for something bigger.
We are in a situation where if, say, Magnier decides to gift every Limerick hurler €75k a year they would still be amateurs and the GAA would accept that.
Quote from: Dun Eile on September 02, 2025, 11:50:56 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 09:24:10 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 09:13:37 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 08:16:09 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 07:16:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 02, 2025, 03:02:45 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 02, 2025, 02:16:04 PMQuote from: tiempo on September 02, 2025, 02:03:15 PMThe GPA plan to squeeze the government and Croke for more dough and step away from amateur status
Players to avail of course, the £500m integration package isn't getting spilt down the back of the sofa its going into back accounts
Tax dollars paying to coalesce something that works perfectly fine and is greater than the sums of its parts in its current form, its a tour de force of collaboration and co-operation, soon as you integrate its going to become a bureaucratic nightmare with a side of 'quotas' and resentment
The GAA will never step away from its amateur ethos, well as regards paying county players a wage. The brown envelopes for managers, jobs for players, mileage etc will continue as is.
The cloak and dagger GPA should have been put out to pasture a decade ago.
County players are getting paid.
Explain how they get paid..? They do not and will never get a 'wage'
The grants. Which the GPA are lobbying to increase. Is this news?
A yearly grant which is what, £100 a month give or take, and mileage.. A million miles away from pay / living wage
They are getting monetary reward. So no longer amateur. If you can't see this as a bridgehead, that's on you.
You have awful chip on shoulder when comes to GAA
I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to the GPA and their malignant influence on gaelic games
I'm a professional referee too then!
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
I did have a laugh that the head of the players association spoke to a manager as to why players had dropped out, rather than maybe speaking to the players!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
Or boxers etc.
Why give any money to sport at all?
Why give €50m to a Stadium "outside the jurisdiction"
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2025, 02:47:07 PMOr boxers etc.
Why give any money to sport at all?
Why give €50m to a Stadium "outside the jurisdiction"
The GAA makes a big turnover for an Amatuer organization. Concerts, American football. They would be able to pay the players grant. Turnover of 132 million in 2024.
Punishment the successful and bail out the worse than useless FAI?????
Quote from: BigGreenField on September 19, 2025, 02:37:23 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
I did have a laugh that the head of the players association spoke to a manager as to why players had dropped out, rather than maybe speaking to the players!
You should re-read the article. The head of GPA spoke to a manager about why they couldn't field. Not why players had dropped out. They had lost 20 players from the year before. (That's why Mickey Graeme left).
That said, I agree that Parsons should interview every one of those players to see why they left as he assumes it was down to money and affordability. I'd like to think he has researched his players before speaking on their behalf.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2025, 03:58:43 PMPunishment the successful and bail out the worse than useless FAI?????
While not defending the FAI, they at least provide sport. The equivalent is them asking for taxpayers money to pay the international players at arms length
Quote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Quote from: ck on September 19, 2025, 04:28:05 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on September 19, 2025, 02:37:23 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
I did have a laugh that the head of the players association spoke to a manager as to why players had dropped out, rather than maybe speaking to the players!
You should re-read the article. The head of GPA spoke to a manager about why they couldn't field. Not why players had dropped out. They had lost 20 players from the year before. (That's why Mickey Graeme left).
That said, I agree that Parsons should interview every one of those players to see why they left as he assumes it was down to money and affordability. I'd like to think he has researched his players before speaking on their behalf.
While technically correct possibly splitting hairs, if they didn't drop out for money then Parsons shouldn't be referencing them, that's certainly what he is implying.
Not worth falling out over.
I've no issue with costs being fully covered and post trainjng food etc but if the demands on intercounty are such that players are skipping work then the demand are too high and that needs regulated and lowered.
Quote from: BigGreenField on September 19, 2025, 05:36:18 PMQuote from: ck on September 19, 2025, 04:28:05 PMQuote from: BigGreenField on September 19, 2025, 02:37:23 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
I did have a laugh that the head of the players association spoke to a manager as to why players had dropped out, rather than maybe speaking to the players!
You should re-read the article. The head of GPA spoke to a manager about why they couldn't field. Not why players had dropped out. They had lost 20 players from the year before. (That's why Mickey Graeme left).
That said, I agree that Parsons should interview every one of those players to see why they left as he assumes it was down to money and affordability. I'd like to think he has researched his players before speaking on their behalf.
While technically correct possibly splitting hairs, if they didn't drop out for money then Parsons shouldn't be referencing them, that's certainly what he is implying.
Not worth falling out over.
I've no issue with costs being fully covered and post training food etc but if the demands on intercounty are such that players are skipping work then the demand are too high and that needs regulated and lowered.
Not sure if they're skipping work but they certainly could be missing career opportunities, overtime, promotions. Parsons suggests that players are dropping off the smaller county squads because they cannot afford the expense that goes with playing county football, travel/food/supplements etc. The reality is the bigger counties get all of this paid for, the smaller counties struggle and expect players to put their hands in their pockets too often. It's a clear case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Stick to the soccer, you're a dose.
Players have dropped away from county panels since time began. As they do at club level. As they do at schools level. As they do at juvenile club level.
The demands don't help. They really don't.
But the reality is that some players always have, and always will, gauge potential for success vs effort required, and cut their cloth accordingly.
Some players get fulfilment from playing at the highest level available to them. Some players get fulfilment only from winning.
Tom and his fuckwit friends really could do with understanding this.
They're not necessarily his friends, they're his employers ;)
Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2025, 11:02:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Stick to the soccer, you're a dose.
These soccer bucks would you give you a dose of the shits. They have chip on shoulders when comes to Gaelic games.
The Government gave €10m to a Professional American "football" game and in effect nationalised the useless FAI, who arrogantly refused to appear before a Dáil Committee.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2025, 11:02:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Stick to the soccer, you're a dose.
Am I wrong?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2025, 12:44:29 PMThe Government gave €10m to a Professional American "football" game and in effect nationalised the useless FAI, who arrogantly refused to appear before a Dáil Committee.
So that makes paying intercounty players a taxpayer liability right?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2025, 11:02:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Personally I am uncomfortable with players getting Gov grants (I'm not saying they don't deserve it) as all it achieves is to take away the excuses for GAA players to get the life squeezed out of them even further by managers. I'd be more content if the lower counties got it but the bigger counties didn't as the big counties get all of the sponsorship anyway.
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Stick to the soccer, you're a dose.
Am I wrong?
Personally I am uncomfortable with players getting Gov grants (I'm not saying they don't deserve it) as all it achieves is to take away the excuses for GAA players to get the life squeezed out of them even further by managers. I'd be more content if the lower counties got it but the bigger counties didn't as the big counties get all of the sponsorship anyway.
Quote from: ck on September 20, 2025, 04:04:04 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMQuote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2025, 11:02:12 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 05:09:24 PMQuote from: dec on September 19, 2025, 02:38:49 PMQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 19, 2025, 02:12:46 PMhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2025/09/19/gpa-chief-says-its-time-to-increase-player-grants-this-isnt-going-away-for-government/
Personally I am uncomfortable with players getting Gov grants (I'm not saying they don't deserve it) as all it achieves is to take away the excuses for GAA players to get the life squeezed out of them even further by managers. I'd be more content if the lower counties got it but the bigger counties didn't as the big counties get all of the sponsorship anyway.
Why should the government be paying any money to intercounty players?
So the GAA don't have to, thus maintaining the illusion of amateurism
Stick to the soccer, you're a dose.
Am I wrong?
Personally I am uncomfortable with players getting Gov grants (I'm not saying they don't deserve it) as all it achieves is to take away the excuses for GAA players to get the life squeezed out of them even further by managers. I'd be more content if the lower counties got it but the bigger counties didn't as the big counties get all of the sponsorship anyway.
Why do they deserve a taxpayer grant and who do other sports not?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 19, 2025, 03:58:43 PMPunishment the successful and bail out the worse than useless FAI?????
Hardy punishing. Counties are happy to throw around big money to journeymen managers, but it's an issue to get a grant from the Gaa for the players?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41792291.html
QuoteOmission risk for counties that don't comply with proposed certification programme
The motion recommending the licensing system outlines that to participate in the leagues and championships the counties "shall meet the certification requirements determined by Central Council annually".
Thu, 12 Feb, 2026 - 10:32
John Fogarty
Counties risk omission from the National Leagues and All-Ireland championships if they don't comply with the proposed inter-county certification programme.
Although the sanctions for not doing so are not confirmed and would likely include withdrawal of home advantage and fines, it is envisaged that penalties would go as far as removal from competitions.
The motion recommending the licensing system outlines that to participate in the leagues and championships the counties "shall meet the certification requirements determined by Central Council annually".
It also calls for the establishment of an oversight body that shall agree the minimum standards of the certification programme relating to areas such as player welfare and financial governance.
If successful, mandatory training for inter-county managers is anticipated along with spending caps, contact hours and closed season adherence and a maximum squad size.
The amateur status review committee also propose the rewording of the amateur status rule. Part of it currently reads: "A player, team, official or member shall not contract itself/themselves to any agent other than those officially approved by Central Council. Expenses paid to all officials, players, and members shall not exceed the standard rates laid down by the Central Council."
As well as acknowledging players' endorsements, the proposed alteration pertains to expenses: "Expense payments to officials, players and members are permitted only to the extent that they do not generate an income tax liability in the relevant jurisdiction. Expense payments made by Association units (or individuals on their behalf) shall not exceed the standard rates laid down by the Central Council."
The certification programme and amateur status rule motions are among 25 to be debated at the GAA's Annual Congress in Croke Park on February 28.
No surprise here but pretty clear that there will be a serious change coming for counties in terms of payments to members of back-room teams and probably to a lesser extent players. I would imagine there will be far more transparency and accountability in terms of every single cent spent on inter-county teams once these rules come in. This is all driven by the issues with Revenue (the fact that the propsed new rule specifically mentions tax liability is a dead giveaway). From what I've heard the attitude in Croke Park is that they want everything in compliance for the Revenue Comissioners and all other financial laws going forward. Any county caught flouting these rules is likely to be in for a severe kicking in terms of punishments.
A friend I was talking to who would have a lot of GAA connections is convinced once the rules are in place that a lot of those involved in the backroom of intercounty teams are likely to be "randomly" selected for audits and his opinion is that some high profile folk getting caught and punished is inevitable. Once this new system is up-and-running at intercounty, I would expect it to be a matter of time before similar structures are applied to clubs down the line, with the key element being the money side of things.