New UK target for 81% emissions cut by 2035 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ny8zndpxo)
QuoteThe switch towards greener energy has already halved the UK's annual greenhouse gas emissions since 1990 - but the CCC has previously said further reductions will be difficult without lifestyle changes.
The government advisers said taxes on meat and dairy might be needed if people do not voluntarily reduce their consumption of the products, and there should be moves to phase out the use of petrol cars.
Speaking at the summit, Sir Keir said the new UK target would be "difficult" but "achievable", and he wanted government to "tread lightly on people's lives".
"It's not about telling people how to live their lives – I'm not interested in that," he added.
First the budget last week financially driving ordinary farmers out of existence, then this announcement.... all while supporting a genocidal terrorist state. Couple this with Trumps hard Zionist picks for his administration and what plays out from that.
Surely I'm not the only one who sees the '1984' world we're moving toward at an ever increasing pace?
Quote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 10:03:35 AMNew UK target for 81% emissions cut by 2035 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ny8zndpxo)
QuoteThe switch towards greener energy has already halved the UK's annual greenhouse gas emissions since 1990 - but the CCC has previously said further reductions will be difficult without lifestyle changes.
The government advisers said taxes on meat and dairy might be needed if people do not voluntarily reduce their consumption of the products, and there should be moves to phase out the use of petrol cars.
Speaking at the summit, Sir Keir said the new UK target would be "difficult" but "achievable", and he wanted government to "tread lightly on people's lives".
"It's not about telling people how to live their lives – I'm not interested in that," he added.
First the budget last week financially driving ordinary farmers out of existence, then this announcement.... all while supporting a genocidal terrorist state. Couple this with Trumps hard Zionist picks for his administration and what plays out from that.
Surely I'm not the only one who sees the '1984' world we're moving toward at an ever increasing pace?
You are.
I'm starting to think people who peddle this nonsense have never actually the great novel by George Orwell.
This climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
Sooner people see it's just another way to tax the shit out of ordinary people the better.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 10:16:51 AMThis climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
Sooner people see it's just another way to tax the shit out of ordinary people the better.
This "climate change is just an excuse to tax us" bollocks again.
The planet had its warmest year on record. The effects will be different in different places.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 10:16:51 AMThis climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
Sooner people see it's just another way to tax the shit out of ordinary people the better.
Put on your tin foil hat and visit Valencia in Spain.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 10:16:51 AMThis climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
Sooner people see it's just another way to tax the shit out of ordinary people the better.
The UK government spend billions a year on green initiatives. If they wanted to spoof you with climate change as a way to raise money, wouldn't they just admit that its nonsense and not spend the money?
Think man ffs.
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 10:16:51 AMThis climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
The best decision for the world is not determined by one individual's house.
People of a certain age bound to realise the weather changed considerably. We no definitive weather season now, Winter was nearly snow most years. Summers were hot, yes sometimes with heavy rain, but it was easy to tell the different seasons. Never seen a November as warm as last week, while the summer was again a poor year. Climate change doesn't necessarily meaning heating up in the same location everywhere in the world.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 13, 2024, 10:52:34 AMPeople of a certain age bound to realise the weather changed considerably. We no definitive weather season now, Winter was nearly snow most years. Summers were hot, yes sometimes with heavy rain, but it was easy to tell the different seasons. Never seen a November as warm as last week, while the summer was again a poor year. Climate change doesn't necessarily meaning heating up in the same location everywhere in the world.
Exactly. Climate change isn't even a debate amongst the science community anymore. It's just a fact. That said, coal, oil and gas are probably going nowhere for at least 20 years (at least) as we haven't mastered energy storage from solar, wind, hydro etc. just yet.
The leaders of 200+ countries flying in their private planes, to an oil rich state (again) to talk about climate change.
Hmm , forgive me for being a tad cynical about it all
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 13, 2024, 11:02:12 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 13, 2024, 10:52:34 AMPeople of a certain age bound to realise the weather changed considerably. We no definitive weather season now, Winter was nearly snow most years. Summers were hot, yes sometimes with heavy rain, but it was easy to tell the different seasons. Never seen a November as warm as last week, while the summer was again a poor year. Climate change doesn't necessarily meaning heating up in the same location everywhere in the world.
Exactly. Climate change isn't even a debate amongst the science community anymore. It's just a fact. That said, coal, oil and gas are probably going nowhere for at least 20 years (at least) as we haven't mastered energy storage from solar, wind, hydro etc. just yet.
They need to get nuclear energy back on the table. Technology has advanced and scaled down, lessons have been learned. It has to be part of the solution as energy demands are not going to dramatically decrease.
I can't stand Trump, but I hope he'll pursue it.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 11:14:17 AMThe leaders of 200+ countries flying in their private planes, to an oil rich state (again) to talk about climate change.
Hmm , forgive me for being a tad cynical about it all
Your cynicism doesn't change the reality we need to address and adapt to.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 13, 2024, 10:39:28 AMQuote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 10:16:51 AMThis climate change bollcoks again.. Apparently we've had warmest year on record, yet everyone and their mums had their heating on through summer.
Sooner people see it's just another way to tax the shit out of ordinary people the better.
Put on your tin foil hat and visit Valencia in Spain.
When do you want me to visit? Because it has experienced flooding for the past 100 odd years.. 81 people died in 1957, suppose that was climate change?
As AP says about all the leaders etc.. It's like people don't want to do some research, taxing people on what they eat ie Meat/Diary - then why not make farming more accessible in each country so relying on less imports?
Labour - Tax farmers more
China and India make up over 40% of the pollution, why's the responsibility on UK/Ire to cut pollution? Already 50 times less.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 11:14:17 AMThe leaders of 200+ countries flying in their private planes, to an oil rich state (again) to talk about climate change.
Hmm , forgive me for being a tad cynical about it all
Hold on, we've 10s of millions of flights / year, most of us taking multiple flights / year ourselves, yet you're cynical re climate change because 200 planes are taking World leaders to try and find solutions? OK
What's the carbon consumption of the average person from India or China compared to Ireland and Britain?
And while weather disasters have of course always occurred, it's the frequency and the extremes which is increasing.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 11:14:17 AMThe leaders of 200+ countries flying in their private planes, to an oil rich state (again) to talk about climate change.
Hmm , forgive me for being a tad cynical about it all
Climate change will be the last thing these shower of cnuts will be talking about at this gathering.
Climate change is real. But it is being used as an excuse to tax the shit out of us which is disgraceful.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 11:46:51 AMClimate change is real. But it is being used as an excuse to tax the shit out of us which is disgraceful.
What's changed in your yearly tax from 5 years based on your findings of being taxed the shit of?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2024, 11:52:37 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 11:46:51 AMClimate change is real. But it is being used as an excuse to tax the shit out of us which is disgraceful.
What's changed in your yearly tax from 5 years based on your findings of being taxed the shit of?
Dont know if you're being stupid or just twisting per usual MR
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 13, 2024, 11:54:20 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 13, 2024, 11:52:37 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 13, 2024, 11:46:51 AMClimate change is real. But it is being used as an excuse to tax the shit out of us which is disgraceful.
What's changed in your yearly tax from 5 years based on your findings of being taxed the shit of?
Dont know if you're being stupid or just twisting per usual MR
I'm just asking...
If it's a monetary thing then I'd like to what's been the difference?
Just don't come out with I'm being taxed the shit out off it!
People even use this line and they haven't worked a day in their lives lol
Quote from: JoG2 on November 13, 2024, 11:28:47 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 11:14:17 AMThe leaders of 200+ countries flying in their private planes, to an oil rich state (again) to talk about climate change.
Hmm , forgive me for being a tad cynical about it all
Hold on, we've 10s of millions of flights / year, most of us taking multiple flights / year ourselves, yet you're cynical re climate change because 200 planes are taking World leaders to try and find solutions? OK
Well, you have that bit correct anyway . They'll "find solutions" no doubt . Solutions to how they and their buddies can continue to cash in , and solutions on how the peasants will be less well off, with more controls placed on them.
It's 200 countries, not 200 planes. And I am aware of the number of flights, but it's the hypocrisy of the whole thing.
And did you never wonder why they have it in an oil rich state?
Quote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 10:47:43 AMThe best decision for the world is not determined by one individual's house.
The best decision for the world would be for humans to neuter their children and to make do with a meager existence (if you're not rich enough to buy the carbon credits that is)
You vill eat zees bugs und you vill be happy.
Quote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 12:51:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 10:47:43 AMThe best decision for the world is not determined by one individual's house.
The best decision for the world would be for humans to neuter their children and to make do with a meager existence (if you're not rich enough to buy the carbon credits that is)
Given the decline in the birthrate there is no need to neuter the children, they will spend all their time on tik-tok anyway.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 12:57:35 PMQuote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 12:51:45 PMQuote from: armaghniac on November 13, 2024, 10:47:43 AMThe best decision for the world is not determined by one individual's house.
The best decision for the world would be for humans to neuter their children and to make do with a meager existence (if you're not rich enough to buy the carbon credits that is)
Given the decline in the birthrate there is no need to neuter the children, they will spend all their time on tik-tok anyway.
But its good that your kids and mine won't have kids isn't it?
Quote from: J70 on November 13, 2024, 11:19:48 AMThey need to get nuclear energy back on the table. Technology has advanced and scaled down, lessons have been learned. It has to be part of the solution as energy demands are not going to dramatically decrease.
I can't stand Trump, but I hope he'll pursue it.
100%. It's already been getting traction for a couple of years now. Small Modular Reactors are much safer than the larger nuclear powers plants. Microsoft and Oracle are already using these in their data centre build outs.
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 12:07:16 PMAnd did you never wonder why they have it in an oil rich state?
Did they have it in an oil rich state in 2021? Or 2019? Or 2018? Or 2017? Or 2016? Or 2015? Or 2014? Or 2013?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 13, 2024, 12:07:16 PMThey'll "find solutions" no doubt .
They've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 02:54:34 PMThey've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
So (taking that number as a given) it's taken 35 years to reduce the 1990 number by 40% and you reckon we'll be able to make the same progress in the next 10 with minimal impact to quality of life?
Quote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 03:42:54 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 02:54:34 PMThey've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
So (taking that number as a given) it's taken 35 years to reduce the 1990 number by 40% and you reckon we'll be able to make the same progress in the next 10 with minimal impact to quality of life?
How is your life negatively affected? What in the name of God are you talking about?
Quote from: OakLeaf on November 13, 2024, 02:07:31 PMQuote from: J70 on November 13, 2024, 11:19:48 AMThey need to get nuclear energy back on the table. Technology has advanced and scaled down, lessons have been learned. It has to be part of the solution as energy demands are not going to dramatically decrease.
I can't stand Trump, but I hope he'll pursue it.
100%. It's already been getting traction for a couple of years now. Small Modular Reactors are much safer than the larger nuclear powers plants. Microsoft and Oracle are already using these in their data centre build outs.
Yeah its the way forward for sure.
Quote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 03:42:54 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 02:54:34 PMThey've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
So (taking that number as a given) it's taken 35 years to reduce the 1990 number by 40% and you reckon we'll be able to make the same progress in the next 10 with minimal impact to quality of life?
I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you in everyday life
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 06:50:32 PMQuote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 03:42:54 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 02:54:34 PMThey've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
So (taking that number as a given) it's taken 35 years to reduce the 1990 number by 40% and you reckon we'll be able to make the same progress in the next 10 with minimal impact to quality of life?
I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you in everyday life
Rather than that deflective slur showing complete disregard for it's impact to my mental health you could have tried to answer the question. You're very quick to go down that path I've noticed. I'd recommend you think about that.
Quote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 07:07:44 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 06:50:32 PMQuote from: theskull1 on November 13, 2024, 03:42:54 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2024, 02:54:34 PMThey've found plenty of solutions - in Europe - greenhouses gases are almost 40% lower than levels found in 1990
So (taking that number as a given) it's taken 35 years to reduce the 1990 number by 40% and you reckon we'll be able to make the same progress in the next 10 with minimal impact to quality of life?
I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you in everyday life
Rather than that deflective slur showing complete disregard for it's impact to my mental health you could have tried to answer the question. You're very quick to go down that path I've noticed. I'd recommend you think about that.
You're a deeply unserious person and you should be treated like so
Would it not have been easier (and more honest) to say you don't know?
Tell you what champ - you keep posting links to anti-semitic cartoons like a normal person
Dunno why you all bother responding.
I've long since put Ireland's largest tinfoil hat distributor on the board equivalent of mute...
If they're consistent, Gabrielle believes it was anti reformist to ask questions of why the black north was governed in the way it was for all those years.