May as well get the build-up going...
Kildare are where they are and the way things are going I don't fancy any easy wins for us, unless something changes.
Leitrim, Longford and Waterford will all fancy making a statement. Might make the trip to Waterford as Dungarvan is a decent spot.
Just getting the ball rolling...
When are opening round of games?
Next weekend. They seem to be on the sundays.
Kildare v Longford confirmed for Saturday, 11th at 6pm in Hawkfield. That's the Kildare Centre of Excellence (which may be ironic this year! ;D )
It's not ideal in the sense that it's out of the town with one entrance and parking on grass. Anyway, here we go!
Quote from: ck on May 03, 2024, 03:37:24 PMWhen are opening round of games?
Saturday 11 May
Tailteann Cup round 1
Kildare v Longford, Hawkfield, 6pm - GAAGO
Leitrim v Waterford, Ballinamore, 6pm
Sligo v Wexford, Markievicz Park, 3pm
Fermanagh v Wicklow, Brewster Park, 3pm
Down v Limerick, Newry, 4pm
Offaly v London, O'Connor Park, 2pm
Sunday 12 May
Tailteann Cup round 1
Antrim v Tipperary, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Laois v Carlow, O'Moore Park, 3pm
Fixtures and Dates for the Tailteann Cup 2024
Group 1:
May 11/12: Kildare v Longford, Leitrim v Waterford
May 18/19: Waterford v Kildare, Longford v Leitrim
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Kildare v Leitrim, Longford v Waterford
Group 2:
May 11/12: Sligo v Wexford, Antrim v Tipperary
May 18/19: Tipperary v Sligo, Wexford v Antrim
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Sligo v Antrim, Wexford v Tipperary
Group 3:
May 11/12: Fermanagh v Wicklow, Laois v Carlow
May 18/19: Carlow v Fermanagh, Wicklow v Laois
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Fermanagh v Laois, Wicklow v Carlow
Group 4:
May 11/12: Down v Limerick, Offaly v London
May 18/19: London v Down, Limerick v Offaly
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Down v Offaly, Limerick v London
Any potential surprises here ? I think Antrim could be the dark horse here. Andy will have them primed for this.
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 04, 2024, 04:43:07 PMAny potential surprises here ? I think Antrim could be the dark horse here. Andy will have them primed for this.
Reckon Wicklow have a scalp in them as well.
It would be great to see a real minnow win this. Hopefully Wicklow can do it.
Not sure about Antrim, they haven't really taken off under Andy McEntee. They were good against us last year in the semi final but I thought he'd have them promoted in the league.
Quote from: thejuice on May 06, 2024, 08:31:28 AMIt would be great to see a real minnow win this. Hopefully Wicklow can do it.
Not sure about Antrim, they haven't really taken off under Andy McEntee. They were good against us last year in the semi final but I thought he'd have them promoted in the league.
Kildare have the talent obviously so if they got the finger out would be strong but I can't see it. Outside that you'd imagine Down and Fermanagh as highest ranking teams would be favourites.
Interested to see how Wicklow and Sligo go as I'd say one of their managers will be in with us within the next couple of years.
With the game in the Kildare Centre of Excellence it will have the feel of a colleges match. 600 tickets are being issued. I assume no stand there?
Not sure if Kildare all that bothered. Which is fine.
Game will be on GAAGO.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 04, 2024, 05:08:30 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 04, 2024, 04:43:07 PMAny potential surprises here ? I think Antrim could be the dark horse here. Andy will have them primed for this.
Reckon Wicklow have a scalp in them as well.
yeah I'd agree with that
Quote from: thejuice on May 06, 2024, 08:31:28 AMIt would be great to see a real minnow win this.
We'll need a 3 tier Championship for the real minnows to win one.
Of the 4 Finalists to date 3 were once strong Counties going through bad patches with nearly 20 Sams between them.
I think Antrim had a fair few injuries in league. Lost back now. But surely it's Kildare , Fermanagh Down to lose , that been said would love to see a Wicklow Sligo or Antrim win it. Can Leinster teams do a 3 in a row ?
Quote from: Rossfan on May 06, 2024, 11:13:02 AMQuote from: thejuice on May 06, 2024, 08:31:28 AMIt would be great to see a real minnow win this.
We'll need a 3 tier Championship for the real minnows to win one.
Of the 4 Finalists to date 3 were once strong Counties going through bad patches with nearly 20 Sams between them.
if actually agree with you in that. But like junior inter and senior. 2 in final go up each year regardless of league position
Could easily see Sligo having a right go at this.
Kildare have much better players than anyone else there then second you would likely have down. Sligo aren't bad and could put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2024, 09:47:21 AMQuote from: thejuice on May 06, 2024, 08:31:28 AMIt would be great to see a real minnow win this. Hopefully Wicklow can do it.
Not sure about Antrim, they haven't really taken off under Andy McEntee. They were good against us last year in the semi final but I thought he'd have them promoted in the league.
Kildare have the talent obviously so if they got the finger out would be strong but I can't see it. Outside that you'd imagine Down and Fermanagh as highest ranking teams would be favourites.
Interested to see how Wicklow and Sligo go as I'd say one of their managers will be in with us within the next couple of years.
Fermanagh have never even won a provincial title . The ultimate minnows.
I think Sligo are potential winners here.
What about Laois?
They were very poor against Offaly I think it was? Down will blitz most teams tbh and then if the likes of Kildare get the finger out they could beat them. Sligo based on Galway game looked decent. Not sure about Fermanagh.
We have been waiting all year for a reaction in Kildare, but nothing is coming. Oyr fitness levels are way off and Wicklow should have got something out of the game.
If a team sets up well against us, and it's a tight game I'd be worried. Hopefully it will click a bit and a few wins will get us going and into the knock-out stages with a bit of confidence.
The fact that if we did win it, it'd mean we can try more lads in Div 3 without the pressure iof having to win it to get back into Sam. Gettin' very far ahead of myself here...
But, all teams should fancy a crack as we just don't have our house in order.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 06, 2024, 04:55:20 PMKildare have much better players than anyone else there then second you would likely have down. Sligo aren't bad and could put the cat amongst the pigeons.
I would have Down ahead of Kildare on the basis they have players who have experienced a final in Croker already and the fact they have a number of Kilcoo players who have the experience of winning big games in croker. Kildare have flattered to deceive for a long time now.
But sure as I said the punditry is terrible...namecheck Dan Flynn and Feely, then say we have great players and shouldn't be down here...
Like Flynn has been poor for 2 seasons and there are newer lads in who are really not up to it.
Down 7/4
Kildare 4/1
Sligo 11/2
Fermanagh 8/1
Given how good they were as players Kildare were probably never likely to change management during the season. However I thought that they might have walked themselves after their Leinster exit after a catastrophic year to date. I can't see them getting a tune out of those same players when really they should be winning this cup based on the level of players available.
Down are worthy favourites and will have a point to prove after losing the last 2 big finals in Croke Park. They will have a big edge on the minnows purely on their athleticism and fitness but they lack any real good kickers of the ball when the levels of the opposition begin to increase and they can match them for running power. I'm not sure any teams in this competition are at that level though so Down to win it.
a fiver should be enough to get into the group stages games,
Kildare will not win anything with this bunch of footballers. Simply not good enough. I've have them 3rd or 4th to win this competition but could easily be beaten by one or two more.
Down, Fermanagh or Sligo for me.
Kildare v Roscommon and Monaghan last year is when they actually do OK, when teams fancy beating them and it opens up a bit they somehow find something.
BUT, when it's a dogged game and they have to actually move a defence around they are fecked. 4/1 are decent odds, but Fermanagh were much better than us already this year.
Are Kildare not a different beast this year to last though? What about Ryan? Having spoke to someone in Longford they would reckon he's not too highly rated there and he might be a part of the problem.
I wouldn't have fermanagh as a potential winner tbh. I think they peaked their fitness very early to get results in the league and then when they were caught up they were found out. They have a few very good players but overall I think there are quite a few teams capable of beating them.
Being an antrim fan I'd be hopeful however I think Wexford have been decent this year and it's a tough game for us. Sligo probably a bit too good so the game in wexford a big one for us. Tipp may be a write off for the year but then again maybe the waterford game will stir them up a bit.
Ah Kildare have gone back and in those games we had Ben McCormack and Neil Flynn too. They got 16 points between them in the two games. Our subs v Louth looked like U16s coming in.
Glenn and the lads are just dug in now and have never sorted the fact that we can be walked through and we actually bottle ourselves up in the forwards.
I honestly still have no clue what style of play we are even trying.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 07, 2024, 04:30:33 PMAh Kildare have gone back and in those games we had Ben McCormack and Neil Flynn too. They got 16 points between them in the two games. Our subs v Louth looked like U16s coming in.
Glenn and the lads are just dug in now and have never sorted the fact that we can be walked through and we actually bottle ourselves up in the forwards.
I honestly still have no clue what style of play we are even trying.
Surely the Tailteann is the best place to test that. Kildare have nothing to lose.
As shown by this thread the big driver to the Tailteann Cup is that it's open for so many to get a run at it. Most of the counties in it could have a say if they get a bit of luck and a run going. We've had Wicklow, Laois, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Kildare all tipped. If marketed right, this has potential. Makes a big difference from the AI run in!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 08, 2024, 08:32:17 AMAs shown by this thread the big driver to the Tailteann Cup is that it's open for so many to get a run at it. Most of the counties in it could have a say if they get a bit of luck and a run going. We've had Wicklow, Laois, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Kildare all tipped. If marketed right, this has potential. Makes a big difference from the AI run in!
Potential for a very competitive competition. But it won't be promoted. Will get 2 minutes on the Sunday game and we will only see it at semi final stage. The GAA don't do promotion unless it's the Munster hurling championship. The 3 games for 30 euro is a good deal. But if your Down a trip to London should maybe be taken out and a 2 games at a tenner each offered.
The GAA just doesn't do marketing.
Tailteann tickets should be €10 with kids free.
Make an occasion out of each Counties home game, kids meet the players afterwards, every kid gets a free flag etc.
The 3 big Company sponsors could be asked to do the publicity stuff seeing as the GAA marketing Dept. seems to be in that dusty room with the Carlsberg complaints phone.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 08, 2024, 10:18:58 AMThe GAA just doesn't do marketing.
Tailteann tickets should be €10 with kids free.
Make an occasion out of each Counties home game, kids meet the players afterwards, every kid gets a free flag etc.
The 3 big Company sponsors could be asked to do the publicity stuff seeing as the GAA marketing Dept. seems to be in that dusty room with the Carlsberg complaints phone.
Kildare, previously the home of Newbridge or nowhere, are holding their game in venue with a capacity of 1500. There aren't going to be many kids getting into that one.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0508/1447949-kildare-aim-to-bounce-back-in-front-of-just-1-200-fans/
1200! Ah it doesn't help the falling off narrative, but people are not going to travel down to Carlow or Kilkenny, so it'll do...
In terms of Tailteann overall, the actual Sam Maguire barely gets any fresh or fun promos so wasn't expecting much. I just want a win and then build on something...
Any Longford lads have any insights?
Quote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2024, 09:31:41 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 08, 2024, 08:32:17 AMAs shown by this thread the big driver to the Tailteann Cup is that it's open for so many to get a run at it. Most of the counties in it could have a say if they get a bit of luck and a run going. We've had Wicklow, Laois, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Kildare all tipped. If marketed right, this has potential. Makes a big difference from the AI run in!
Potential for a very competitive competition. But it won't be promoted. Will get 2 minutes on the Sunday game and we will only see it at semi final stage. The GAA don't do promotion unless it's the Munster hurling championship. The 3 games for 30 euro is a good deal. But if your Down a trip to London should maybe be taken out and a 2 games at a tenner each offered.
yep only munster hurling is promoted, and they still whine about it. Not been in it this year I must say I'm looking forward to this competition more than Dublin run to another all ire
Quote from: Dunneroyal on May 10, 2024, 09:34:13 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2024, 09:31:41 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 08, 2024, 08:32:17 AMAs shown by this thread the big driver to the Tailteann Cup is that it's open for so many to get a run at it. Most of the counties in it could have a say if they get a bit of luck and a run going. We've had Wicklow, Laois, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Kildare all tipped. If marketed right, this has potential. Makes a big difference from the AI run in!
Potential for a very competitive competition. But it won't be promoted. Will get 2 minutes on the Sunday game and we will only see it at semi final stage. The GAA don't do promotion unless it's the Munster hurling championship. The 3 games for 30 euro is a good deal. But if your Down a trip to London should maybe be taken out and a 2 games at a tenner each offered.
yep only munster hurling is promoted, and they still whine about it. Not been in it this year I must say I'm looking forward to this competition more than Dublin run to another all ire
Munster hurling is filling out stadiums right, left and centre, why wouldn't you promote it?
I think Donal Óg's gurning about Cork always being on GAAGO, behind a paywall but up to a few years ago none of this would be available to view anywhere at all.
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2024, 03:26:40 PMQuote from: Dunneroyal on May 10, 2024, 09:34:13 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2024, 09:31:41 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 08, 2024, 08:32:17 AMAs shown by this thread the big driver to the Tailteann Cup is that it's open for so many to get a run at it. Most of the counties in it could have a say if they get a bit of luck and a run going. We've had Wicklow, Laois, Antrim, Fermanagh, Down, Sligo, Kildare all tipped. If marketed right, this has potential. Makes a big difference from the AI run in!
Potential for a very competitive competition. But it won't be promoted. Will get 2 minutes on the Sunday game and we will only see it at semi final stage. The GAA don't do promotion unless it's the Munster hurling championship. The 3 games for 30 euro is a good deal. But if your Down a trip to London should maybe be taken out and a 2 games at a tenner each offered.
yep only munster hurling is promoted, and they still whine about it. Not been in it this year I must say I'm looking forward to this competition more than Dublin run to another all ire
Munster hurling is filling out stadiums right, left and centre, why wouldn't you promote it?
I think Donal Óg's gurning about Cork always being on GAAGO, behind a paywall but up to a few years ago none of this would be available to view anywhere at all.
There is a point here, given that this game is tomorrow evening then it could have been covered, TG4 would have obliged. I'd watch it, but I'm not sure that I would fork out on GAAGo for it. I think that covering one hurling game each weekend is not an unreasonable ask.
Eye catching result this afternoon in O'Connor Park
Offaly 0-12 London 2-20
Londons first championship win in 11 years.
Incredible from London.
Fermanagh moving well too.
If counties are checking out for the Tailteann, it's not a good omen for the competition's future.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 11, 2024, 07:35:23 PMIf counties are checking out for the Tailteann, it's not a good omen for the competition's future.
Says more about the teams than the competition.
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 11, 2024, 07:35:23 PMIf counties are checking out for the Tailteann, it's not a good omen for the competition's future.
Checking out to win it to go back into the Sam? Doesn't make sense
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 11, 2024, 03:39:01 PMEye catching result this afternoon in O'Connor Park
Offaly 0-12 London 2-20
Londons first championship win in 11 years.
You'd have to be thinking that the tanking Offaly got in Croke Park from Dublin sucked the self belief out of the team.
Maybe only 3 teams can win it anyway. Usually teams on the fringe of Division 2.
Great start for Kildare and a small bit of confidence will go a long way.
Watched Fermanagh V Wicklow today .
Fermanagh should , in truth , have won by alot more .
We missed at least 2 really good goal chances in the first half .
Second half we were clinical.
Scored 3 goals .
Defensively we were extremely solid and Wicklow couldn't break us down
Encouraging signs that Fermanagh are taking the competition seriously .
Quote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 11, 2024, 07:35:23 PMIf counties are checking out for the Tailteann, it's not a good omen for the competition's future.
Wicklow seem to have stepped out, given the score Fermanagh got.
I expect the teams relegated and promoted,Fermanagh, Kildare, Down and Westmeath will fancy their chances.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2024, 10:12:59 PMQuote from: Cyril Farrell fan on May 11, 2024, 07:35:23 PMIf counties are checking out for the Tailteann, it's not a good omen for the competition's future.
Wicklow seem to have stepped out, given the score Fermanagh got.
I expect the teams relegated and promoted,Fermanagh, Kildare, Down and Westmeath will fancy their chances.
I wouldn't give Westmeath much chance. Be some going to win a competition they're not competing in.
Very surprised at Wicklow. Though Oisin would have had them chomping at the bit for this. Maybe just a bad day at the office.
The thing is with Wicklow they threw so much into that Kildare match after the earlier win it may have broken them a bit.
Waterford might be the same after a big win in Munster and then the loss. Leitrim beat them, but they would not be the strongest in a neutral spot.
Down are rightly favourites, but if Kildare can build up some confidence and momentum it does swing back to them. We did manage to cut out so many stupid errors and actually went for goals.
The issue with the Tailteann is , as predicted , coverage and publicity .
Could the gaa not trial playing this competition on a Friday night and see what crowds it attracts plus get TG4 to cover it ?
Surely it's worth a try because I have the distinct feeling it's dying on its arse .
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2024, 08:03:17 AMVery surprised at Wicklow. Though Oisin would have had them chomping at the bit for this. Maybe just a bad day at the office.
Oisin didn't sound impressed on the Saturday Game last night.
Manager of Wicklow going around punditing.....
Chairman of Offaly going around punditing......
Quote from: Rossfan on May 12, 2024, 01:26:18 PMManager of Wicklow going around punditing.....
Chairman of Offaly going around punditing......
And among the best pundits they are.
Embarrassing watching Antrim at home the venue straight from the 1940's.
Quote from: Rebel84 on May 12, 2024, 10:48:20 PMEmbarrassing watching Antrim at home the venue straight from the 1940's.
Have you been?
Will update results and fixtures in the next few posts.
Tailteann Cup 2024 Rules
Preliminary Quarter-Finals
08-09.06.2024 (Sat/Sun) (Four Games)
The second-placed team in each of the four groups in Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play at Home against New York and the three "best placed" third-placed teams in each group.
The draw shall be subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
The three "best-placed" third-placed teams across the four groups shall be determined using the following criteria.
(i) Total Number of Points
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the Scores for
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) Lowest Total Goals Against
(vi) A Play-Off
Exception: In relation to means (ii) to (v) above, if the accumulated scores of a team, so involved, are affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walkover, the tie shall be decided by a Play-Off.
If more than two teams are involved in a Play-Off, based on a draw conducted by the CCCC, two teams shall play-off for a Preliminary Quarter-Final place, with the remaining team(s) progressing to the Preliminary Quarter-Final.
Quarter-Finals
15-16.06.2024 (Sat/Sun) (Four Games)
The four first-place teams from Round 1 (Group Stage) shall be drawn to play at home against the four Preliminary Quarter-Final winners.
Subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from Round 1 (Group Stage).
Semi-Finals
23.06.2024 (Sun) (Two Games)
The four quarter-final winners shall play against each other in the Semi-Final based on a draw, subject to avoidance of repeat pairings from the championship, where possible.
Final
13.07.2024 (Sat) (One Game)
The winners of the All-Ireland Semi-Finals shall meet in the All-Ireland Final.
Fixtures, Results and Dates for the Tailteann Cup 2024
Group 1:
May 11/12: Kildare 3-25 Longford 1-11, Leitrim 0-17 Waterford 0-12
May 18/19: Waterford 0-6 Kildare 5-15, Longford v Leitrim
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Kildare v Leitrim, Longford v Waterford
Group 2:
May 11/12: Sligo 2-21 Wexford 2-15, Antrim 4-12 Tipperary 2-13
May 18/19: Tipperary 1-12 Sligo 3-22, Wexford 0-17 Antrim 1-15
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Sligo v Antrim, Wexford v Tipperary
Group 3:
May 11/12: Fermanagh 3-16 Wicklow 0-9, Laois 2-17 Carlow 2-17 Draw
May 18/19: Carlow 0-13 Fermanagh 1-13, Wicklow v Laois
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Fermanagh v Laois, Wicklow v Carlow
Group 4:
May 11/12: Down 1-20 Limerick 1-6, Offaly 0-12 London 2-20
May 18/19: London 0-10 Down 1-24, Limerick 2-10 Offaly 0-8
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Down v Offaly, Limerick v London
Quote from: FermGael on May 12, 2024, 11:52:27 AMThe issue with the Tailteann is , as predicted , coverage and publicity .
Could the gaa not trial playing this competition on a Friday night and see what crowds it attracts plus get TG4 to cover it ?
Surely it's worth a try because I have the distinct feeling it's dying on its arse .
Clubber or a similar streaming service should have rights to all games in this competition similar to what they have for the Joe McDonagh Cup.
We made Kildare look like Jim Gavin Dubs on Sat.
Awful performance from us.
No future in this competition for us in the forseeable.
Ye'll have to do a Kilkenny at this rate Sham.
A Longford acquaintance reckons he should be the manager because
"I could get them relegated to D3 and hammered by Kildare and wouldn't charge them for it".
I went to the antrim game yesterday which wasn't bad. It wasn't massively well attended but there was hurling the day before and a lot of underage games on between county and feile which likely took away from it (and we typically aren't the best supported anyway).
All that aside it was entertaining enough and Tipp had a few boys who'd have been among their better players a few years ago playing so good to get a win. You would suspect they are sore from losing to waterford too so maybe are trying to restore some pride. Most games went near enough as expected I think.
When the Tailteann Cup was first brought in many journalist and pundits said it would stop one sided games? of course that proved to be nonsense as will always be one sided games. Meanwhile Munster and Leinster finals were meant to be whitewash wins for Kerry,Dublin so credit to Louth and Clare for giving a good account of themselves.
Even within the counties it's kinda gone quiet here...
I think Kildare will beat Waterford by 10 plus and then Leitrim will make it a bit tighter. It could still come off the rails if a team really bottles up, but the fact that we might have thrown off the self-imposed shackles and fear could mean that they are in a better place by then.
How is everyone else looking?
Where are the tickets for sale for this weeks games? Nothing on Gaa.ie that I can see
Quote from: snoopdog on May 16, 2024, 03:00:33 PMWhere are the tickets for sale for this weeks games? Nothing on Gaa.ie that I can see
https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaa/tailteanncup24
They make you work to find them!!
CS I'm an antrim man. We'd a good win against Tipp though they did give us a few problems which was worrying. I think Sligo might be too much for us so Wexford a big game for us. It is 2 go through and not 3 right?? (3 going through in a 4 team group like the sam maguire is ridiculous).
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 16, 2024, 03:27:34 PMThey make you work to find them!!
CS I'm an antrim man. We'd a good win against Tipp though they did give us a few problems which was worrying. I think Sligo might be too much for us so Wexford a big game for us. It is 2 go through and not 3 right?? (3 going through in a 4 team group like the sam maguire is ridiculous).
Only two in one group as doesn't New York take the place of the worst 3rd placed team?
As seen with the Super 8s two into the knock out stages means more dead rubber round 3 group games.
Ah yes you're right.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 16, 2024, 03:04:01 PMQuote from: snoopdog on May 16, 2024, 03:00:33 PMWhere are the tickets for sale for this weeks games? Nothing on Gaa.ie that I can see
https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaa/tailteanncup24
Cheers
Kildare Team:
1 Didier Cordonnier Didier Cordonnier Two Mile House
2 Ryan Burke Ryan de Búrca Caragh
3 Shea Ryan Shea Ó Riain Sarsfields
4 Eoin Doyle Eoghan Ó Dubhghaill Naas
5 Tony Archbold Antóin Áirseabóid Celbridge
6 Brian Byrne Briain Ó Brion Naas
7 Kevin Flynn Caoimhín Ó Floinn Celbridge
8 Luke Killian Lúcás Ó Cillín Sallins
9 Brendan Gibbons Breandan Mac Giobúin Kilcock
10 Barry Kelly Barra Ó Ceallaigh Athy
11 Darragh Kirwan Dara Ó Ciarubháin Naas
12 Paddy McDermott Padraig Mac Diarmuid Naas
13 Paddy Woodgate Padraig Ó Woodgate Raheens
14 Kevin Feely Caoimhín Ó Ficheallaigh Athy
15 Niall Kelly Niall Ó Ceallaigh Athy
Daniel Flynn, Jack Seargeant, Mick O'Grady on the bench after the last day. So, we seem to be switching it up. Kevin Flynn is back and he is better than Seargeant anyways.
Obly real big call is keeper as the other lad has been a starter non-stop for years, even though many feel he is not reliable.
redevelopment of St Conleth's Park is coming on well.
https://x.com/KildareGAA/status/1791173226065711558?
This afternoon results
Limerick 2-10 Offaly 0-8
Tipp 1-12 Sligo 3-22
Carlow 0-13 Fermanagh 1-13
Wexford 0-17 Antrim 1-15
Waterford 0-5 Kildare 5-15
London 0-10 Down 1-24
What's going on with Offaly? 2 really poor results for them
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 18, 2024, 05:18:17 PMWhat's going on with Offaly? 2 really poor results for them
Bit of mystery alright. A number of their 2021 All Ireland U20 winners on that Offaly senior team now and they have the same manager Declan Kelly.
Full time in Ruislip; London 0-10 Down 1-24
With a game to play aren't Offaly already out of the Tailteann Cup?
Correct, and Down in Qtr Finals no matter what happens next week.
Results
Longford 0-17 Leitrim 2-12
Wicklow 0-10 Laois 0-11
Fixtures, Results and Dates for the Tailteann Cup 2024
Group 1:
May 11/12: Kildare 3-25 Longford 1-11, Leitrim 0-17 Waterford 0-12
May 18/19: Waterford 0-6 Kildare 5-15, Longford 0-17 Leitrim 2-12
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Kildare v Leitrim, Longford v Waterford
After 2 rounds: Kildare 4 pts (+44), Leitrim 4 pts (+6), Longford 0 pts (-21), Waterford 0 points (-29)
Kildare and Leitrim will finish first and second in Group 2 – winner of game between the two will decide Group winner, Kildare will be top if a draw.
Third place will be winner of Longford v Waterford, with Longford finishing third if a draw.
Group 2:
May 11/12: Sligo 2-21 Wexford 2-15, Antrim 4-12 Tipperary 2-13
May 18/19: Tipperary 1-12 Sligo 3-22, Wexford 0-17 Antrim 1-15
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Sligo v Antrim, Wexford v Tipperary
After 2 rounds: Sligo 4 pts (+22), Antrim 4 pts (+6), Wexford 0 pts (-7), Tipperary 0 pts (-21)
Sligo and Antrim will finish first and second in Group 2 – winner of game between the two will decide Group winner, Sligo will be top if a draw.
Third place will be winner of Wexford v Tipperary, with Wexford finishing third if a draw.
Group 3:
May 11/12: Fermanagh 3-16 Wicklow 0-9, Laois 2-17 Carlow 2-17 Draw
May 18/19: Carlow 0-13 Fermanagh 1-13, Wicklow 0-10 Laois 0-11
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Fermanagh v Laois, Wicklow v Carlow
After 2 rounds: Fermanagh 4 pts (+19), Laois 3 pts (+1), Carlow 1 pt (-3), Wicklow 0 pts (-17)
Fermanagh will win the Group with a win or draw v Laois and will finish second with a loss.
Laois will win the Group with a win and will finish second with a draw. If Laois lose, they will finish second if Carlow lose or draw and will finish third if Carlow's winning margin plus Laois's losing margin exceed 4. If Carlow's winning margin plus Laois's losing margin equals 4, third place will be decided by total scored by each team and if still tied it will be total goals scored. Next tie-breaker is lowest number of goals conceded (Laois and Carlow have both conceded 2 so far), and final tie-breaker is a play-off. After 2 games Carlow have 2-30 scored and Laois have 2- 28.
Carlow will finish third with a win or draw over Wicklow and they fail to catch Laois on tie-breakers. Wicklow will finish third with a win over Carlow.
Group 4:
May 11/12: Down 1-20 Limerick 1-6, Offaly 0-12 London 2-20
May 18/19: London 0-10 Down 1-24, Limerick 2-10 Offaly 0-8
June 1/2 (neutral venues): Down v Offaly, Limerick v London
After 2 rounds: Down 4 pts (+31), London 2 pts (-3), Limerick 2 pts (-6), Offaly 0 pts (-22)
Down will top Group 4 irrespective of their Rd 3 result. Offaly will finish fourth in the Group, even if beating Down in Rd 3. The winner of the London v Limerick game will finish second, with London taking second if a draw.
The fourth-placed of the third-place finishers will be replaced by New York in the preliminary quarter-finals.
The three "best-placed" third-placed teams across the four groups shall be determined using the following criteria.
(i) Total Number of Points
(ii) Score difference – subtracting the total Scores against from the Scores for
(iii) Highest Total Score For
(iv) Highest Total Goals For
(v) Lowest Total Goals Against
(vi) A Play-Off
After 2 games the third-place teams are ranked as follows:
Limerick 2 pts (-6), Carlow 1 pt (-3), Wexford 0 pts (-7), Longford 0 pts (-21).
Edit to add more tie-breaker info on Group 3.
Missed TSG but was their highlights of the Carlow v Fermanagh game at all? Doesn't seem to have been available of GAAGO.
3 or 4 games there was nothing of. I watched back this morning for the antrim game but there was nothing of it either.
Round 3 neutral venues confirmed
Saturday June 1st
Limerick v London - Parnell Park 1:30pm
Longford v Waterford - O'Moore Park 2pm
Kildare v Leitrim - Pearse Park 6pm
Fermanagh v Laois - Pearse Park 3:45pm
Wicklow v Carlow - Parnell Park 3:45pm
Sunday June 2nd
Down v Offaly - Breffni park 1:45pm
Wexford v Tipp - Cullen Park 2pm
Sligo v Antrim - Breffni Park 4pm
Down v Offaly a dead rubber. Are many others nothing games.
None
Offaly are the only team out(I think all permutations still leave them bottom) as everyone else has a chance for 3rd at worst and the two top two clashes there are a battle to avoid preliminary quarter finals.
15,000 Biffos at hurley stuff last night.
At the lower level some of the older soldiers ploughing on could still do damage eg the McNamees, but with so many of the U20s lashed in at once it can fall apart fairly quickly.
Think Kildare are brewing nicely but I'd like to see Leitrim shit uop shop a buit to see how we deal with it. There have been changes between 1st and 2nd game too, so interested to see who gets the nod.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 23, 2024, 10:51:08 AMAt the lower level some of the older soldiers ploughing on could still do damage eg the McNamees, but with so many of the U20s lashed in at once it can fall apart fairly quickly.
Think Kildare are brewing nicely but I'd like to see Leitrim shit uop shop a buit to see how we deal with it. There have been changes between 1st and 2nd game too, so interested to see who gets the nod.
Brewing nicely for what exactly?
Kildare football is a complete shambles from top to bottom. Victories over Longford and Waterford won't change that.
Brewing some confidence to try and win the Tailteann Cup. Which we are in, and is our level.
So winning those games meant nothing. But surely we have to start somewhere?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 23, 2024, 03:25:28 PMBrewing some confidence to try and win the Tailteann Cup. Which we are in, and is our level.
So winning those games meant nothing. But surely we have to start somewhere?
Ah no I'm not dissing what you've said. You are right.
But until Kildare football is changed from the top down this will always be our level
Ah fair enough. Just there are some who think Kildare winning these games is no use.
We just need to build something and finish slightly less in the doldrums.
There will be changes coming anyway this year.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 23, 2024, 08:34:19 AMDown v Offaly a dead rubber. Are many others nothing games.
It is the advantage of the current round robin system. Only 1 dead rubber out of 8 games, and a meaningful difference to top the group by going straight through to the QF and an extra week off.
Whereas if it reverted to the Top 2 only qualify, which is what the Sunday Game/RTE in particular are demanding, there would be 5 dead rubbers out of the 8 games next week.
Quote from: Hound on May 26, 2024, 09:56:03 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 23, 2024, 08:34:19 AMDown v Offaly a dead rubber. Are many others nothing games.
It is the advantage of the current round robin system. Only 1 dead rubber out of 8 games, and a meaningful difference to top the group by going straight through to the QF and an extra week off.
Whereas if it reverted to the Top 2 only qualify, which is what the Sunday Game/RTE in particular are demanding, there would be 5 dead rubbers out of the 8 games next week.
The problem is that the Quarter Finals end up as uneven games as the 2nd/3rd teams are wrecked from outings 3 weeks in a row. Making it near on impossible to beat the table toppers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 26, 2024, 01:08:54 PMQuote from: Hound on May 26, 2024, 09:56:03 AMQuote from: snoopdog on May 23, 2024, 08:34:19 AMDown v Offaly a dead rubber. Are many others nothing games.
It is the advantage of the current round robin system. Only 1 dead rubber out of 8 games, and a meaningful difference to top the group by going straight through to the QF and an extra week off.
Whereas if it reverted to the Top 2 only qualify, which is what the Sunday Game/RTE in particular are demanding, there would be 5 dead rubbers out of the 8 games next week.
The problem is that the Quarter Finals end up as uneven games as the 2nd/3rd teams are wrecked from outings 3 weeks in a row. Making it near on impossible to beat the table toppers.
2 out of 4 lost their quarter final last year.
From RTE:
The draw for the preliminary quarter-finals of the Tailteann Cup will take place on Sunday, shortly after the conclusion of the group stages.
It will be part of Sunday Sport on RTÉ Radio 1, beginning from 5.40pm.
Eight sides will be in the draw, including four group runners-up, the three best third-placed teams and New York.
The teams that finish in second place in their group will be seeded and will also have home venues for the matches.
Teams which progress from the preliminary round will go on to meet a group stage winner in the quarter-finals.
The 3 teams who genuinely can win it are Down, Sligo and Fermanagh
Probably Kildare
Outright odds to win the Tailteann Cup
Down 13/8
Kildare 5/2
Sligo 9/2
Fermanagh 7/1
Antrim 12/1
Laois 14/1
Leitrim 30/1
Wexford 33/1
Limerick 50/1
Wicklow 50/1
Carlow 66/1
The rest 100/1 or more.