May as well start a thread on this...also to look at what we are doing overall...
Donal Óg seems to be on his soap box every year. Last year it was a plea for more oxygen for hurling. Saying it was dying out and not getting enough covereage. Meanwhile Westmeath hurlers were getting mobbed by kids on the field after big games and barely getting a minute on TV.
He only seems to have an issue if the Munter Games are not for all to see and celebrate.
This is decent on it - https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/05/08/news/cahair_o_kane_we_re_not_ready_for_gaago_and_it_isn_t_ready_for_us-3263329/
The notion that it was all going to roll out as one in the first full year was not thought through.
I think it all feeds into a lot of the things we discuss here in terms of promoting the game. Kildare's championship draws were made on Friday and there was not even a tweet or an update...so many county managers don't allow players to even speak to the media and then kids have millions of resources and cool clips about other sports stars.
The split season won't lose their interest as they don't have anything to be interested in. Anyway you would argue that keeping them fit and healthy, having fun playing is more important.
virgin media are jumping on this now also. I wonder will anyone ask them how their customers couldn't watch the live Ulster championship games on bbc?
My big bugbear would be my da can't watch the matches as he doesn't have broadband and doesn't have the first clue about broadband or apps...
That aside I don't really care tbh. It's been like this years only more accessible.
They've too many games in too short a space of time. RTE never going to show them. Quite frankly too many to watch these days.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 09, 2023, 05:29:28 PM
virgin media are jumping on this now also. I wonder will anyone ask them how their customers couldn't watch the live Ulster championship games on bbc?
I suggest that you do. I already have.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 09, 2023, 05:35:51 PM
My big bugbear would be my da can't watch the matches as he doesn't have broadband and doesn't have the first clue about broadband or apps...
That aside I don't really care tbh. It's been like this years only more accessible.
They've too many games in too short a space of time. RTE never going to show them. Quite frankly too many to watch these days.
Would it not be better if we let each county stream their own games. Say a games on for a 5er or whatever. Let the GAA take a small cut, then the rest goes to cover costs and anything extra helps fund the county directly. I know in down we had downgaa.tv streaming nearly all of the senior club championship games and latter stages of intermediate and junior too. And all in all it worked very well bar a few hiccups in places with bad internet
I agree that the armchair fan gets a loud voice.
There are more games than ever, but I do think that TG4, Virgin and the likes should have carved it up.
If GAAGO are a broadcaster every game has to be a certain standard.
Jackie Healy-Rae is on the job now. Mattie McGrath is next...
does any county show their championships for free i think Dublin might.
Dubs TV was on the go during Covid. V good set up.
On the whole thing now, there seems to be some v odd governance at play.
RTÉ pay for their rights.
RTÉ and GAA own gaago.
They are competing broadcasters.
Declan McBennett is Head of Sport in RTÉ and is a Director with gaago...
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 09, 2023, 11:40:27 PM
Dubs TV was on the go during Covid. V good set up.
On the whole thing now, there seems to be some v odd governance at play.
RTÉ pay for their rights.
RTÉ and GAA own gaago.
They are competing broadcasters.
Declan McBennett is Head of Sport in RTÉ and is a Director with gaago...
Whole thing stinks.
Fair play to McBennet going on TV and Radio. You might not like or believe what he has to say, but he faced up to the questions.
RTE loses over 20m each year due to non payment of the licence.
Alan Dillon is on OTB talking about the outrageousness of Mayo v Kerry and Galway v Tyrone on GAAGO and suggesting that the licence be reduced.
The Constitution will have to be changed to remove the right to watch every single championship match in one's own living room.
Up until 1990 there were no provincial games on TV. If you wanted to see a game, you went to it in person.
Nobody was writing in to mailbag giving out that the 1987 Classic Cork v Tipp game wasn't on tv. Those who wanted to see it, went to it. Those who were too old or too sick, etc. listened to it on the radio and saw the highlights on tv. Some who were too sick or too old still went anyway.
These entitled snowflakes today (young and old) think they should get every service for free from banking to online newspapers to sports.
If Cork get to the Munster Final, 4 of their 5 games will have been on RTE (plus all subsequent games) and they still think that's not enough.
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 09:03:22 AM
RTE loses is down over 20m each year due to non payment of the licence.
Alan Dillon is on OTB talking about the outrageousness of Mayo v Kerry and Galway v Tyrone on GAAGO and suggesting that the licence be reduced.
The Constitution will have to be changed to remove the right to watch every single championship match in one's own living room.
It's not theirs in the first instance, so they can't "lose" it?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 10, 2023, 09:12:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 09:03:22 AM
RTE loses is down over 20m each year due to non payment of the licence.
Alan Dillon is on OTB talking about the outrageousness of Mayo v Kerry and Galway v Tyrone on GAAGO and suggesting that the licence be reduced.
The Constitution will have to be changed to remove the right to watch every single championship match in one's own living room.
It's not theirs in the first instance, so they can't "lose" it?
In 2018 they covered 40 games. This year there are 69 games (RTE) and 38 (GAAGO).
That is more than 2.5 times 2018 levels.
It has to be paid for.
Who gives a shite what was on tv fecking years ago when the players of today weren't even born and neither were most of the supporters. Times have changed and the old farts ranting about "snowflakes" need to realise that. With technology these days there should be a decent option to watch any game on tv ffs. And the whole GAAGO/RTE thing stinks.
Sky Sports didn't even exist in 1990. So people had F all sport available.
Times have changed and GAAGO is a good move, but it is not a top class product and the idea of handing over so many games to it is madness.
Even if you are happy to pay, I am, it is not intuitive to set up. Also not all the games get full coverage so no analysis at half time.
Even with Sky you got a day pass and you could also get a big Premier League game and even some end of season NBA too.
It's not snowflake to demand more. It's competition and comparing to others. GAAGO is a broadcaster now.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 09, 2023, 05:29:28 PM
virgin media are jumping on this now also. I wonder will anyone ask them how their customers couldn't watch the live Ulster championship games on bbc?
Did Virgin media make any bid to show any games live? Or would that interfere with reruns of Heartbeat and Vera?
They should change their name to "ITV Eire"
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 10, 2023, 09:45:53 AM
Sky Sports didn't even exist in 1990. So people had F all sport available.
Times have changed and GAAGO is a good move, but it is not a top class product and the idea of handing over so many games to it is madness.
Even if you are happy to pay, I am, it is not intuitive to set up. Also not all the games get full coverage so no analysis at half time.
Even with Sky you got a day pass and you could also get a big Premier League game and even some end of season NBA too.
It's not snowflake to demand more. It's competition and comparing to others. GAAGO is a broadcaster now.
It certainly isn't and at €90 or so a year, it's not a lot different to paying for netflix, disney, amazon prime etc. and I appreciate the GAA don't have the same resources as those but to not even have it available on the tv (and it doesn't work simply for a lot of people trying to cast it or other means) is one of the worst things about it.
I think it's a bit over the top with populist politicians having a go. It's €79 a season in Ireland and a great service for emigrants oversees. As has been said, was a time when only 3 games were live - semis and All-Ireland final. If Connacht final prices are anything to go by, then a family of 4 is paying €120 for terrace/non covered seating and €140 for stand for one match. The valid criticism is the setup. When Ireland went digital, most elderly went to saorview so when GAA did a deal with Sky, it was near impossible see games. However I setup NowTV for my parents and that was very intuitive as connected a STB to TV and the guide then was like a TV menu and they picked the Sky channel. The reality is for that generation watching GAA is either at a match or gathered around the radio (the wireless) or watching on Telly. You can do that with GAAGO but it's more complicated for elderly and they are not exactly a smartphone/computer generation.
There are vast areas in the country particularly rural areas who don't have broadband and these people have no access to these games.
The biggest sin is that the sacred Munster championship wasn't given preference. Cork vs Tipp is some sort of religious experience.
Moreso because it turned to be an even contest. No one would care if it was one-sided.
Also, it seems like a lot of people were caught by surprise that RTE weren't showing it. There is a whiff of armchair fans not really paying attention beforehand.
Most of us are already resigned to having to make do with local radio if we can't attend when our county plays.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 10, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
The biggest sin is that the sacred Munster championship wasn't given preference. Cork vs Tipp is some sort of religious experience.
Moreso because it turned to be an even contest. No one would care if it was one-sided.
Also, it seems like a lot of people were caught by surprise that RTE weren't showing it. There is a whiff of armchair fans not really paying attention beforehand.
Most of us are already resigned to having to make do with local radio if we can't attend when our county plays.
If you think the outrage over Cork/Tipp was bad wait until the football hordes unite over the sacrilege of Mayo/Kerry and Galway /Tyrone on a SATURDAY
Malachy Clerkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4DkCcAWA
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 12:52:53 PM
Malachy Clerkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pK4DkCcAWA
That's the first I heard Donal Og's rant. The 'nephew knowing all the Liverpool team' is a complete nonsense argument. He more than likely knows the Liverpool team through FIFA and stuff like that. My lad is 12 and can't sit and watch games but he knows players from everywhere through the playstation or else through youtube shorts/tiktok. The days of everyone round the TV on a Sunday afternoon are gone. Kids are bombarded with small snippets of information at all times and if the GAA can't break into that area somehow it's not going to get noticed.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 10, 2023, 11:33:42 AM
There are vast areas in the country particularly rural areas who don't have broadband and these people have no access to these games.
There are some areas, but things have improved a lot in this regard and will be even better next year. However, people living in these places do have a reason for complaint.
GAA statement
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-corrects-record-on-vmtv-statement/
Surely the GAA will make quite a lot more from the extra games between now and the quarter finals.
If price is the issue couldn't they reduce their margins ?
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2023, 05:18:06 PM
GAA statement
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-corrects-record-on-vmtv-statement/
"GAA corrects record on VMTV statement"
The GAA conducted a thorough investigation into themselves and found no wrongdoing.
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on May 10, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
The biggest sin is that the sacred Munster championship wasn't given preference. Cork vs Tipp is some sort of religious experience.
Moreso because it turned to be an even contest. No one would care if it was one-sided.
Also, it seems like a lot of people were caught by surprise that RTE weren't showing it. There is a whiff of armchair fans not really paying attention beforehand.
Most of us are already resigned to having to make do with local radio if we can't attend when our county plays.
If you think the outrage over Cork/Tipp was bad wait until the football hordes unite over the sacrilege of Mayo/Kerry and Galway /Tyrone on a SATURDAY
The quotient of lonely farmers living on mountainsides may be even higher than in Cork or Tipp.
I think the Munster Hurling championship will have every game broadcast live (half on RTE, half on GAAGo) and they are complaining. Fantastic games I agree and Clare Limerick was top class. But this is really the privileged armchair GAA classes complaining. Sick of it at this stage.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 10, 2023, 05:34:35 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2023, 05:18:06 PM
GAA statement
https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-corrects-record-on-vmtv-statement/
"GAA corrects record on VMTV statement"
The GAA conducted a thorough investigation into themselves and found no wrongdoing.
Shorter version : "VMTV are awful hoors"
Quote from: weareros on May 10, 2023, 06:12:58 PM
I think the Munster Hurling championship will have every game broadcast live (half on RTE, half on GAAGo) and they are complaining. Fantastic games I agree and Clare Limerick was top class. But this is really the privileged armchair GAA classes complaining. Sick of it at this stage.
I'm sick of seeing armchair supporters being bandied about as a catch all term for people who oppose GAAGO. Most GAA people primarily support their own county and travel to watch their matches, they generally watch other county games on TV, are we not effected by this gouging as well? I really resent this GAAGO shite.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 10, 2023, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: weareros on May 10, 2023, 06:12:58 PM
I think the Munster Hurling championship will have every game broadcast live (half on RTE, half on GAAGo) and they are complaining. Fantastic games I agree and Clare Limerick was top class. But this is really the privileged armchair GAA classes complaining. Sick of it at this stage.
I'm sick of seeing armchair supporters being bandied about as a catch all term for people who oppose GAAGO. Most GAA people primarily support their own county and travel to watch their matches, they generally watch other county games on TV, are we not effected by this gouging as well? I really resent this GAAGO shite.
€79 for a season is hardly gouging. They could kill the app and will Virgin media be stepping in to provide replacement free air coverage. Streaming I feel is a great advancement on the past. It's enables more access to movies, to music, and now sport. I believe the critics are forgetting that this is extra coverage than what was available in the past.
Connacht Council stream a load of their matches, Minor, u20, FBD, Club etc.
Those games of course aren't "sexy" enough to have Politicians spouting hot air about free access to games.
Could I point out that people who attend games have to pay to get in.
15 euro into the Tailteann cup games this weekend is the issue I'd have with gaa. Gaago issue is being driven by people that want to watch matches on TV, the people that are attending the games are also being asked to spend a lot of money in a very short time frame. Price the games sensibly especially when there's games now every week.
€10 would be enough for TC group games and free u16s.
It's €25 for the Sam group games, €20 would be more than enough.
A bit of marketing , 3 game packages, family and Club deals etc. wouldnt have gone amiss either.
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 11, 2023, 09:03:03 AM
15 euro into the Tailteann cup games this weekend is the issue I'd have with gaa. Gaago issue is being driven by people that want to watch matches on TV, the people that are attending the games are also being asked to spend a lot of money in a very short time frame. Price the games sensibly especially when there's games now every week.
Yeah exactly. GAAGo issue being overplayed. It's not dear at all if you subscribe
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
€10 would be enough for TC group games and free u16s.
It's €25 for the Sam group games, €20 would be more than enough.
A bit of marketing , 3 game packages, family and Club deals etc. wouldnt have gone amiss either.
absolutely. People won't fork out 3 weeks in row for group games I don't think
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 11, 2023, 10:10:11 AM
€10 would be enough for TC group games and free u16s.
It's €25 for the Sam group games, €20 would be more than enough.
A bit of marketing , 3 game packages, family and Club deals etc. wouldnt have gone amiss either.
absolutely. People won't fork out 3 weeks in row for group games I don't think
A lot of people will only attend one game. If they offer 3 games for 40 euro you could easily get people going to extra games. There seems to be no push at all in the gaa authorities to sell the games to increase attendances. It all feels very short sighted. Same with season ticket - they have squeezed every drop of value out of them for loyal fans. For any other organisation you save money using a season ticket.
the thing with firestick you need connections and deal with dodgy people.
I paid 49euro for gaago around Christmas time as they had an offer on. Great value already and championship season just really getting under way
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
This is very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNR1Anuz-N4&t=5430s
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2023, 07:50:51 PM
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
You are watching AmateurPlayers and people hold gripes when asked to pay for that. The GAA patronage have always seen it's organisation as a predominately volunteer organistaion.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 11, 2023, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2023, 07:50:51 PM
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
You are watching AmateurPlayers and people hold gripes when asked to pay for that. The GAA patronage have always seen it's organisation as a predominately volunteer organistaion.
It is a volunteer organisation, but it is not free to run.
Interesting thread on Twitter today about IFA clubs agreeing to raise their prices by a pound for next season.
The responses were of general dismay, plus extreme disappointment about pricing kids out of games.
People love a moan. The sport doesn't matter.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2023, 11:01:11 PM
Interesting thread on Twitter today about IFA clubs agreeing to raise their prices by a pound for next season.
The responses were of general dismay, plus extreme disappointment about pricing kids out of games.
People love a moan. The sport doesn't matter.
Inflation is jacking up the price of everything. Soccer fans generally wouldn't have much spare cash.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 11, 2023, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2023, 07:50:51 PM
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
You are watching AmateurPlayers and people hold gripes when asked to pay for that. The GAA patronage have always seen it's organisation as a predominately volunteer organistaion.
Plus you're going to watch games in complete shit holes like Clones.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 12, 2023, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 11, 2023, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2023, 07:50:51 PM
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
You are watching AmateurPlayers and people hold gripes when asked to pay for that. The GAA patronage have always seen it's organisation as a predominately volunteer organistaion.
Plus you're going to watch games in complete shit holes like Clones.
Is the solution to crumbling stadia to raise all prices to pay for upgrades?
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2023, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 12, 2023, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 11, 2023, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2023, 07:50:51 PM
Other sports have ones in queues for years to get season tickets where they will then spend £600 a year on tickets to follow their team.
Are GAA people a bit tight? Is it a country thing?
You are watching AmateurPlayers and people hold gripes when asked to pay for that. The GAA patronage have always seen it's organisation as a predominately volunteer organistaion.
Plus you're going to watch games in complete shit holes like Clones.
Is the solution to crumbling stadia to raise all prices to pay for upgrades?
If stadia were of a better standard and there was access to say family stands or even hospitality packages - I would be happy to pay more. Not sure about paying more now to sit in a dump on the promise it won't be a dump in 3 years.
There should have been a package to televise 2 Saturday matches like the league and all this GAA Go controversy wouldn't have happened.
Massively increasing games and decreasing TV coverage is own goal in fairness?
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
There should have been a package to televise 2 Saturday matches like the league and all this GAA Go controversy wouldn't have happened.
Massively increasing games and decreasing TV coverage is own goal in fairness?
Isn't tv coverage increased?
GAAGo surely must be a clash of commercial interests. Is it not the case that RTE who have are one of the bidders for rights against other Channels have a say in the company as of course does the GAA.
Late stage capitalism. The game is rigged... hate it and not the players.
8 Tailteann cup matches on this weekend and only 1 being shown on GAAGO. What happened to the promises at the start of the year that GAAGO would be used to stream more matches. Tailteann Cup the poor relation already before it starts. Shame on you GAAGO/RTE/GAA
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
There should have been a package to televise 2 Saturday matches like the league and all this GAA Go controversy wouldn't have happened.
Massively increasing games and decreasing TV coverage is own goal in fairness?
Isn't tv coverage increased?
Irish Times
"Ultimately there are, a) more matches than ever, b) more matches on terrestrial television than ever and c) more matches that would never have been on terrestrial, available to people."
Quote from: meatsy86 on May 12, 2023, 06:17:12 PM
8 Tailteann cup matches on this weekend and only 1 being shown on GAAGO. What happened to the promises at the start of the year that GAAGO would be used to stream more matches. Tailteann Cup the poor relation already before it starts. Shame on you GAAGO/RTE/GAA
Agree fairly poor that. That's the problem with them showing these big matches everything else goes down the pecking order
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
There should have been a package to televise 2 Saturday matches like the league and all this GAA Go controversy wouldn't have happened.
Massively increasing games and decreasing TV coverage is own goal in fairness?
Isn't tv coverage increased?
I believe there is more coverage due to GAA Go, but overall less TV coverage due to Sky Sports leaving. That's what there is no Saturday TV matches now. Last year on many days there were even 2 TV games on Saturdays.
will there be no knockout games on rte if on saturday
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2023, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
There should have been a package to televise 2 Saturday matches like the league and all this GAA Go controversy wouldn't have happened.
Massively increasing games and decreasing TV coverage is own goal in fairness?
Isn't tv coverage increased?
I believe there is more coverage due to GAA Go, but overall less TV coverage due to Sky Sports leaving. That's what there is no Saturday TV matches now. Last year on many days there were even 2 TV games on Saturdays.
RTE will cover matches on 5 Saturdays.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2023, 08:36:27 PM
will there be no knockout games on rte if on saturday
It seems that RTE will only have 2 of the 4 prelim knockout games and only 2 of the 4 quarter finals.
And half of the round robin football games
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 08:37:55 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 11, 2023, 11:01:11 PM
Interesting thread on Twitter today about IFA clubs agreeing to raise their prices by a pound for next season.
The responses were of general dismay, plus extreme disappointment about pricing kids out of games.
People love a moan. The sport doesn't matter.
Inflation is jacking up the price of everything. Soccer fans generally wouldn't have much spare cash.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/2023/05/13/is-the-cost-of-living-crisis-getting-worse-grocery-prices-are-rising-interest-rates-are-rising-and-energy-bills-wont-drop/
In early 2022, it seemed gloomy in the extreme to suggest Irish consumers would be worse off by €2,000 as a result of soaring prices. But we now know that such predictions – made here by this writer – were wildly, almost comically, optimistic.
The reality of the cost-of-living crisis has proven to be much, much worse than that and, for many, the final bill for the crisis this year alone is likely to come close to €10,000.
GAA Go didn't have replays for Cavan Laois. Fairly sure McKenna Cup and local club matches even have replays, thoughts ??
Quote from: full moon on May 13, 2023, 06:45:21 PM
GAA Go didn't have replays for Cavan Laois. Fairly sure McKenna Cup and local club matches even have replays, thoughts ??
GAAgo is a mediocre (at best) service. But despite the 'cost of living crisis' there are enough people with excess cash to pay for this poor service, which ensures it will be a success and we will be stuck with it. Whereas if everyone just boycotted it, it would be gone and we'd get the 2 Saturday games back on TV.
The English put up with soccer games on Sky and BT, but refused to accept games on PPV.
Camera work isn't great in GAA Go. They don't zoom in when there's action. Seems just to be a wide shot and a real close up shot.
Quote from: marty34 on May 13, 2023, 09:03:32 PM
Camera work isn't great in GAA Go. They don't zoom in when there's action. Seems just to be a wide shot and a real close up shot.
Antrim v KK last week was a "one camera" setup. It was brutal
Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2023, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 13, 2023, 06:45:21 PM
GAA Go didn't have replays for Cavan Laois. Fairly sure McKenna Cup and local club matches even have replays, thoughts ??
GAAgo is a mediocre (at best) service. But despite the 'cost of living crisis' there are enough people with excess cash to pay for this poor service, which ensures it will be a success and we will be stuck with it. Whereas if everyone just boycotted it, it would be gone and we'd get the 2 Saturday games back on TV.
The English put up with soccer games on Sky and BT, but refused to accept games on PPV.
they refused to accept PPV because they were already paying for sky and bt and now Amazon. If gaago disappeared would those games suddenly be shown by rte or would it be more likely a lot wouldn't be shown at all. Can't imagine Cavan v Laois being shown on rte.
Malachy Clerkin said RTE were not expecting Sky to exit the GAA market recently and that GAAGO was rolled out somewhat prematurely.
Just looking at the pricing on the GAA GO website
e79 for season pass and then e150 for a club season pass and e300 for commercial/bar
What GAA club or pub are going to be paying the extra?
It's hardly like the GAA have inspections like Sky used to do
Get each club to inspect the pubs in their area.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2023, 08:19:55 PM
Get each club to inspect the pubs in their area.
😂😂😂
Quote from: giveherlong on May 14, 2023, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 14, 2023, 08:19:55 PM
Get each club to inspect the pubs in their area.
😂😂😂
How about directing 50% of the revenue from GAAGo in each area to the local club?
I'll wait for the illegal streams start coming up just like how I stream my movies.
First experience of gaa go in a pub at the weekend. Absolute disaster, two tvs on the go, one was 30 seconds behind the other. Eventually got the synced only for one ti freeze for a second and throw the whole thing into chaos again.
Quote from: markl121 on June 26, 2023, 01:15:47 PM
First experience of gaa go in a pub at the weekend. Absolute disaster, two tvs on the go, one was 30 seconds behind the other. Eventually got the synced only for one ti freeze for a second and throw the whole thing into chaos again.
This sounds like the pub's fault and not GaaGo. Surely the best way to do it is have one stream being output on multiple monitors rather than having a stream for each? Also is there a way of telling if a stream is for a personal or pub account (like the sky sports pint symbol)?
There were a couple of errors over the weekend with a "no signal detected" type error but I don't think they lasted too long or missed any important bits of the match.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 26, 2023, 01:15:47 PM
First experience of gaa go in a pub at the weekend. Absolute disaster, two tvs on the go, one was 30 seconds behind the other. Eventually got the synced only for one ti freeze for a second and throw the whole thing into chaos again.
This sounds like the pub's fault and not GaaGo. Surely the best way to do it is have one stream being output on multiple monitors rather than having a stream for each? Also is there a way of telling if a stream is for a personal or pub account (like the sky sports pint symbol)?
There were a couple of errors over the weekend with a "no signal detected" type error but I don't think they lasted too long or missed any important bits of the match.
That error happened on rte at the weekend so wouldn't blame GAA Go.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 26, 2023, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 26, 2023, 01:15:47 PM
First experience of gaa go in a pub at the weekend. Absolute disaster, two tvs on the go, one was 30 seconds behind the other. Eventually got the synced only for one ti freeze for a second and throw the whole thing into chaos again.
This sounds like the pub's fault and not GaaGo. Surely the best way to do it is have one stream being output on multiple monitors rather than having a stream for each? Also is there a way of telling if a stream is for a personal or pub account (like the sky sports pint symbol)?
There were a couple of errors over the weekend with a "no signal detected" type error but I don't think they lasted too long or missed any important bits of the match.
Hold on. If I'm reading you right here, you're suggesting that it's the pub's fault for not already having reviewed and paid for an overhaul of their AV equipment to ensure that all screens (regardless of age, settings and ports) can simultaneously display the same streamed input?
Mad.
It's strange enough that Mayo V Dublin has the biggest supposed billing and not Tyrone V Kerry, the last two all-Ireland winners, never mind the fact that it won't be on RTÉ.
Was actually across three different pubs in downings in Donegal tbf. One had the stream freeze at 68 min of Monaghan Kildare andnit never came back, the other two bars had streams all over the place. It would definitely need to come from the one source to try and sync it
I am able to watch the live games but can't get see past games, no idea what the problem is
I have found it works better on my laptop rather than the firestick. So I just connect the laptop to the tv and it works fine.
The infrastructure to support GAAGO is not good enough
Quote from: HokeyPokey on June 26, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
It's strange enough that Mayo V Dublin has the biggest supposed billing and not Tyrone V Kerry, the last two all-Ireland winners, never mind the fact that it won't be on RTÉ.
I don't think anybody said Mayo v Dublin has the highest billing.
Mayo have to be on Sunday no matter who they drew. Then logistics decided everything else. It seems it was pre-planned that both Saturday games would be on GAAgo and both Sunday ones on RTE.
Though I fully agree that all four matches should be on RTE.
Are RTÉ getting fewer matches than when they were competing against Sky/TV3?
I think the GAAGO is just brilliant, so much progress has been made in the last year or so. The broadcast quality/production standards use to be hair pulling frustrating. Nowadays pretty much I can watch every broadcast hitch free, around the world and HD standard to boot. And there are plenty of upgrades in the pipeline.
is it usual for GAAGO to have a much longer break at half time that is need.
I though i was watching a match live at the weekend but after it calved it took about 2 minutes to get it going but match was over. should have bee 15 mins left
I follow boxing and one thing streams and streaming apps have trouble with is when large amount of viewers can overload the host capabilities. It will be interesting at the weekend, because last weekend the streams went down at various points. This weekend will have large viewership on the Saturday so if the streams tank again it could be a disaster.
I'm not against GAA Go but I personally don't agree with it replacing televised games and people acting as if it's the same thing. While a lot of people didn't have Sky Sports, at least pubs did, and there was no issue with broadband coverage, smart TVs etc. Really you're excluding people much like the refusal to accept cash at matches.
Coupled with the fact RTE own a stake so it's not all as clear cut. I have heard LOI TV is a partner channel of GAA Go also?
No matter about the live shows surely there is no excuse for not having a highlights show this Saturday night? Doesn't look to be one in their schedule. Two of the biggest games of the year surely deserve some sort of coverage that day/evening?
RTE's Dee Forbes & Declan McBennett are Directors of GAAgo. A public service broadcaster whose primary duty is to the public, is at the same time maximising profit by putting big games behind their paywall. It is a very serious conflict of interest.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 27, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
No matter about the live shows surely there is no excuse for not having a highlights show this Saturday night? Doesn't look to be one in their schedule. Two of the biggest games of the year surely deserve some sort of coverage that day/evening?
Nah, they'll cram each Q/Final into 5 minute highlight packages on the Sunday Game, job done.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2023, 05:51:51 PM
RTE's Dee Forbes & Declan McBennett are Directors of GAAgo. A public service broadcaster whose primary duty is to the public, is at the same time maximising profit by putting big games behind their paywall. It is a very serious conflict of interest.
GAAGO is an overflow media delivery vehicle required because of the short season. RTE's capacity to show matches is limited.
I am not sure that profit maximisation is the goal of GAAGO.
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
Are RTÉ getting fewer matches than when they were competing against Sky/TV3?
I think the GAAGO is just brilliant, so much progress has been made in the last year or so. The broadcast quality/production standards use to be hair pulling frustrating. Nowadays pretty much I can watch every broadcast hitch free, around the world and HD standard to boot. And there are plenty of upgrades in the pipeline.
No I think I saw they are actually showing an extra game under the new deal. Still won't stop the yaps on twitter crying that every game should be free to air because it's the national sport.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2023, 05:51:51 PM
RTE's Dee Forbes & Declan McBennett are Directors of GAAgo. A public service broadcaster whose primary duty is to the public, is at the same time maximising profit by putting big games behind their paywall. It is a very serious conflict of interest.
Less of the paranoia. The number of games is determined by GAA as much as anyone else and RTÉ's involvement in GAAGo reflects its importance for overseas games where RTÉ is not broadcast. The GAA could have insisted that all QFs would be on RTÉ, but they want the extra revenue too and these were on Sky in previous years.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
GAAGO is an overflow media delivery vehicle required because of the short season. RTE's capacity to show matches is limited.
I am not sure that profit maximisation is the goal of GAAGO.
There is more scope for making this clear by ensuring that club members get a discount, linking it to tickets so that you can watch the replay for free etc.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2023, 05:51:51 PM
RTE's Dee Forbes & Declan McBennett are Directors of GAAgo. A public service broadcaster whose primary duty is to the public, is at the same time maximising profit by putting big games behind their paywall. It is a very serious conflict of interest.
Less of the paranoia. The number of games is determined by GAA as much as anyone else and RTÉ's involvement in GAAGo reflects its importance for overseas games where RTÉ is not broadcast. The GAA could have insisted that all QFs would be on RTÉ, but they want the extra revenue too and these were on Sky in previous years.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
GAAGO is an overflow media delivery vehicle required because of the short season. RTE's capacity to show matches is limited.
I am not sure that profit maximisation is the goal of GAAGO.
There is more scope for making this clear by ensuring that club members get a discount, linking it to tickets so that you can watch the replay for free etc.
Some people think the 1937 constitution states that all GAA matches must be on RTE.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 27, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 27, 2023, 05:51:51 PM
RTE's Dee Forbes & Declan McBennett are Directors of GAAgo. A public service broadcaster whose primary duty is to the public, is at the same time maximising profit by putting big games behind their paywall. It is a very serious conflict of interest.
Less of the paranoia. The number of games is determined by GAA as much as anyone else and RTÉ's involvement in GAAGo reflects its importance for overseas games where RTÉ is not broadcast. The GAA could have insisted that all QFs would be on RTÉ, but they want the extra revenue too and these were on Sky in previous years.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
GAAGO is an overflow media delivery vehicle required because of the short season. RTE's capacity to show matches is limited.
I am not sure that profit maximisation is the goal of GAAGO.
There is more scope for making this clear by ensuring that club members get a discount, linking it to tickets so that you can watch the replay for free etc.
Some people think the 1937 constitution states that all GAA matches must be on RTE.
a lot of people assume the GAA is similar to RTE and Government Funded where as in actual fact the FAI got twice as much over the covid years and are now looking for 863m euro yes almost a billion so pay fpr their stadium. (needless to say they will not be contributing)
saying that
Also why at times can RTE use the news channel to broadcast games.
surely they could also use RTEJR rather than a constant Cartoons A football or hurley match might encourage them to exercise
and they also have a mainly silent Oireachtas TV as timing of event would rarely clash. or even the news channel at a push
most of these channels wold be a much better bet for Streaming than what could have been one of the biggest program of the year
Peoples opinions seem to be
1) Every single GAA game should be covered by RTE
2) The licence fee should scrapped . (How they actually want to fund coverage is to be determined)
3) Think of elderly people
Joe the wally brolly has a clear axe to grind as well. Mouthing on Twitter. He has yet to acknowledge that when he left RTE he went to subscription broadcaster to work as a pundit. He hasn't revealed how much RTE paid him or how much he was paid when he went to eir sport. Did he provide his services for free?
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
Are RTÉ getting fewer matches than when they were competing against Sky/TV3?
I think the GAAGO is just brilliant, so much progress has been made in the last year or so. The broadcast quality/production standards use to be hair pulling frustrating. Nowadays pretty much I can watch every broadcast hitch free, around the world and HD standard to boot. And there are plenty of upgrades in the pipeline.
No I think I saw they are actually showing an extra game under the new deal. Still won't stop the yaps on twitter crying that every game should be free to air because it's the national sport.
It's about both cost and access.
It's moved from a subscription channel to pay per view. Even allowing for the season ticket option it's a big move to go from a subscription channel which shows a rake of other sports to a GAA PPV model.
A good proportion of people already have Sky Sports, so it would have cost them nothing extra
Many people struggle with the technology of how to get a stream from their phone to their tv. My father and uncles wouldn't have a notion.
All 6 pubs in my village in Dublin have Sky Sports, none of them have GAAgo. Only a small proportion of pubs in the country have GAAgo.
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2023, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
Are RTÉ getting fewer matches than when they were competing against Sky/TV3?
I think the GAAGO is just brilliant, so much progress has been made in the last year or so. The broadcast quality/production standards use to be hair pulling frustrating. Nowadays pretty much I can watch every broadcast hitch free, around the world and HD standard to boot. And there are plenty of upgrades in the pipeline.
No I think I saw they are actually showing an extra game under the new deal. Still won't stop the yaps on twitter crying that every game should be free to air because it's the national sport.
It's about both cost and access.
It's moved from a subscription channel to pay per view. Even allowing for the season ticket option it's a big move to go from a subscription channel which shows a rake of other sports to a GAA PPV model.
A good proportion of people already have Sky Sports, so it would have cost them nothing extra
Many people struggle with the technology of how to get a stream from their phone to their tv. My father and uncles wouldn't have a notion.
All 6 pubs in my village in Dublin have Sky Sports, none of them have GAAgo. Only a small proportion of pubs in the country have GAAgo.
Not sure I agree on the pubs thing. Everywhere seems to be showing GaaGo games. A pub subscription is only €300 for the year so there's no excuse for anywhere not having it, considering that Sky Sports costs tens of thousands a year for pubs.
As for the technological aspect, your father and uncle would, for most of their lives, only been able to see 2 semi finals and a final on TV. Now there are 31 televised games a year on terrestrial TV., which is remarkable considering the way the championship is compacted now and the fact that the GAA is not the only sport on from April to July. There is nowhere in the GAA constitution that says every game should be free to watch.
The great Kerry team of 70s/80s only had All-Ireland semi and final televised live. What's more, the supporters were known to only show up in numbers for Munster final with Cork and All- Ireland. I've stayed in remote parts of Kerry and have had good internet and it's such a tourist county it's required and has been looked after. Ironically, in the days of TV aerials the television reception was unwatchable in parts of Kerry due to the mountains.
Why has the Saturday Game all of a sudden stopped for the year? They didn't have a show on last Saturday with 3 big games on that day and they have nothing on this Saturday for 2 of the biggest games of the year. I seen someone on Twitter say that they have had 6 Saturday Games shows this year. So much for being given an extra highlights show this year and they have done the bare minimum with it.
can any smart tv get GAAgo with any additional equipment
Quote from: square_ball on June 28, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
Why has the Saturday Game all of a sudden stopped for the year? They didn't have a show on last Saturday with 3 big games on that day and they have nothing on this Saturday for 2 of the biggest games of the year. I seen someone on Twitter say that they have had 6 Saturday Games shows this year. So much for being given an extra highlights show this year and they have done the bare minimum with it.
They do the full weekend highlights on the Sunday night
Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
can any smart tv get GAAgo with any additional equipment
Yes
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2023, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 28, 2023, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 27, 2023, 06:20:15 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 27, 2023, 01:10:36 PM
Are RTÉ getting fewer matches than when they were competing against Sky/TV3?
I think the GAAGO is just brilliant, so much progress has been made in the last year or so. The broadcast quality/production standards use to be hair pulling frustrating. Nowadays pretty much I can watch every broadcast hitch free, around the world and HD standard to boot. And there are plenty of upgrades in the pipeline.
No I think I saw they are actually showing an extra game under the new deal. Still won't stop the yaps on twitter crying that every game should be free to air because it's the national sport.
It's about both cost and access.
It's moved from a subscription channel to pay per view. Even allowing for the season ticket option it's a big move to go from a subscription channel which shows a rake of other sports to a GAA PPV model.
A good proportion of people already have Sky Sports, so it would have cost them nothing extra
Many people struggle with the technology of how to get a stream from their phone to their tv. My father and uncles wouldn't have a notion.
All 6 pubs in my village in Dublin have Sky Sports, none of them have GAAgo. Only a small proportion of pubs in the country have GAAgo.
Not sure I agree on the pubs thing. Everywhere seems to be showing GaaGo games. A pub subscription is only €300 for the year so there's no excuse for anywhere not having it, considering that Sky Sports costs tens of thousands a year for pubs.
As for the technological aspect, your father and uncle would, for most of their lives, only been able to see 2 semi finals and a final on TV. Now there are 31 televised games a year on terrestrial TV., which is remarkable considering the way the championship is compacted now and the fact that the GAA is not the only sport on from April to July. There is nowhere in the GAA constitution that says every game should be free to watch.
Broadcasting of multi games at the same time/crossover times is only practical when streamed.
so the issue is about about two or so of the top games that use to be carried exclusively by Sky on the weekend that people already had access to, not about the multi streaming of the 'lesser' games.
I surmise that when the deal ended with Sky, there was only one other outside option to negotiate a deal with, Virgin Media.
I assume it would have been a full GAAGO add-on extra to a Virgin broadband package, costing an extra eur 10-15 monthly?
And the GAA decided to actually become the Grab ALL Assoc (along with RTÉ) with the intention to more forcibly persuade Irish based GAA fans to transition over to GAAGO, faster than people were willing, faster than the full streaming/broadcasting infrastructure was in place and the attractive bait was the GAAGO exclusive to some of the most desirable top games.
This is the first season of that happening. As I live abroad, GAAGO is a blessing, once upon a time (< 1998), my only access was my mother posting the sunday paper with monday's sports pages inserted, which I'd receive some 7-10 days later.
I'd like to know how many extra Irish based subscribers GAAGO have gained and future expected numbers, as well as income figures for the GAA.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2023, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 28, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
Why has the Saturday Game all of a sudden stopped for the year? They didn't have a show on last Saturday with 3 big games on that day and they have nothing on this Saturday for 2 of the biggest games of the year. I seen someone on Twitter say that they have had 6 Saturday Games shows this year. So much for being given an extra highlights show this year and they have done the bare minimum with it.
They do the full weekend highlights on the Sunday night
I know but surely with 2 huge games not on free to air TV on Saturday it was the ideal time to be putting on the Saturday Game rather than wait another 24 hours to show highlights.
RTE got an extra highlights show which people have been looking and have done 6 shows with it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2023, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
can any smart tv get GAAgo with any additional equipment
Yes
sorry meant without . im casting from my phone at the moment . or even a set top box
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I used IPTV to watch some of the games but can't get every game on it. Last weekend the Down v Cavan match wasn't coming on the streams I had so I jumped onto the phone and GAAGO wouldn't let me buy it on that (might be a bank issue though) then jumped onto the laptop to buy the game and it wouldn't process the payment at all. As it was arsing about the Down match came onto one of the streaming channels so no harm done. Couldn't get the Donegal v Tyrone match on Saturday but was able to get the other 2 that afternoon.
I think GAAGo will be a good service but there's still a lot of shit internet both north and south. I might get the app for Saturday on the firestick and buy the 2 matches properly - you'd hope streaming out of croke park should give them less hassle.
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Aye dead on, going on holiday this weekend so want to see Kerry v Tyrone but as it's a Gaa Go game should be grand
Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2023, 02:27:55 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 28, 2023, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2023, 12:42:27 PM
can any smart tv get GAAgo with any additional equipment
Yes
sorry meant without . im casting from my phone at the moment . or even a set top box
There is a Roku and FireTV app for GAAGo. I am in the US and have used both depending on which TV I am watching the game on.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Aye you can't watch rte player in Scotland even, had a f**king disaster the other week.
I think GAAGO provides a good service. I think it should have been marketed better as I wasn't aware of the volume of games they actually show and missed the "early bird" offer. Think I paid £67 quid for the service, last Saturday was able to watch the 3 games at home, it would have cost me around that to attend the 3 games( aware that logistically not possible). I would have Sky tv so originally was annoyed when heard they had pulled out and saw GAAgo as in my head was additional expense, but have moved away from that now.
Understand it is not ideal for elderly, but surely there is some sort of carer in place from a younger generation who could help with this if they are unable to attend games? I would have more of a gripe with the ticket prices the gaa have for games with no jeopardy in the group stages of tailteann and sam maguire than the costs associated with GAAgo.
Quote from: markl121 on June 28, 2023, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Aye you can't watch rte player in Scotland even, had a f**king disaster the other week.
You can fork out for GaaGo and stop being so Scottish.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 29, 2023, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 28, 2023, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Aye you can't watch rte player in Scotland even, had a f**king disaster the other week.
You can fork out for GaaGo and stop being so Scottish.
Can you watch rte games on gaa go?
Quote from: markl121 on June 29, 2023, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 29, 2023, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: markl121 on June 28, 2023, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 28, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on June 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM
No issues with geo blocking or anything when you take your Irish subscription abroad ?
I expect that you are OK if you want to watch a game that is on GAAgo in Ireland, but not if you want to watch one on RTÉ.
Aye you can't watch rte player in Scotland even, had a f**king disaster the other week.
You can fork out for GaaGo and stop being so Scottish.
Can you watch rte games on gaa go?
Overseas, you can.
These will be included in an overseas subscription, but obviously not in an Irish one.
Grand, genuinely didn't know that, assumed gaago was just the games not on rte player. I don't have an overseas subscription anyway
Quote from: statto on June 29, 2023, 12:02:58 PM
I think GAAGO provides a good service. I think it should have been marketed better as I wasn't aware of the volume of games they actually show and missed the "early bird" offer. Think I paid £67 quid for the service, last Saturday was able to watch the 3 games at home, it would have cost me around that to attend the 3 games( aware that logistically not possible). I would have Sky tv so originally was annoyed when heard they had pulled out and saw GAAgo as in my head was additional expense, but have moved away from that now.
Understand it is not ideal for elderly, but surely there is some sort of carer in place from a younger generation who could help with this if they are unable to attend games? I would have more of a gripe with the ticket prices the gaa have for games with no jeopardy in the group stages of tailteann and sam maguire than the costs associated with GAAgo.
ticket prices would be more of a gripe with me as well, with games so condensed now the cost of attending/ traveling to matches soon adds up.
The season ticket price is a very good deal but not the match day price.
Considering that all of a sudden it's mostly all on GAAGO and the hoops that people have to go through to view a match on tv, I think they could offer ( for a 2 years period to Irish domiciled with a season subscription) a basic android box with the GAAGO app already set up, ready to connect to the homeowners tv with a hdmi cable, offer it with basic delivery + set up cost. I seriously doubt that there's no one in any family network incapable of connecting a device via hdmi cable and operating an android box remote control.
A minimalist android box with hdmi standard are 2 a penny, but even so regardless, in all probability most potential subscribers would choose to figure out how to install the GAAGO android app onto their TV rather than pay a few euros more.
https://twitter.com/oharaa/status/1673654006986555394
If rte have a share of gaago why can't they have a TV channel for it. And if you've subscribed then it's there and cut out all the buffering crap.
Quote from: snoopdog on July 02, 2023, 08:08:49 AM
If rte have a share of gaago why can't they have a TV channel for it. And if you've subscribed then it's there and cut out all the buffering crap.
That would require some sort of box to descramble the signal, similar to a Sky box. Not feasible to have that for one channel on 20 days a year.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 02, 2023, 08:08:49 AM
If rte have a share of gaago why can't they have a TV channel for it. And if you've subscribed then it's there and cut out all the buffering crap.
That would require some sort of box to descramble the signal, similar to a Sky box. Not feasible to have that for one channel on 20 days a year.
How (why it alreadly isn't is the real Q) could it not be added as a digital channel to Saorview or the Sky platform along with the thousands of other digital channels?? - in addition an online presence for overseas. Its obviously a cost issue but with the misuse of public funds such a high profile issue atm now is the time to get it sorted
Quote from: bennydorano on July 02, 2023, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 02, 2023, 08:08:49 AM
If rte have a share of gaago why can't they have a TV channel for it. And if you've subscribed then it's there and cut out all the buffering crap.
That would require some sort of box to descramble the signal, similar to a Sky box. Not feasible to have that for one channel on 20 days a year.
How (why it alreadly isn't is the real Q) could it not be added as a digital channel to Saorview or the Sky platform along with the thousands of other digital channels?? - in addition an online presence for overseas. Its obviously a cost issue but with the misuse of public funds such a high profile issue atm now is the time to get it sorted
I'm not sure but I would guess Saorview doesn't have the ability to decode a PPV signal, it only picks up free to air TV? Sky boxes can do this obviously because it's a subscription service, but then you'd need every old person in the country to have a satellite box/dish.
Gaago will be in the firing line next week it seems
RTÉ head of sport Declan McBennett is meant to appear...
Again, they will probably get lost in grandstanding but the issue is being on two boards at once. Also is it, or is it not a commercial entity.
This week. RTÉ and GAA due before the committee.
The allegation that the GAA and RTÉ connive to put popular matches on GAAGO while fixtures of little or no interest go out on television
Be a good step if they published what the presenters are getting.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 02, 2023, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 02, 2023, 08:08:49 AM
If rte have a share of gaago why can't they have a TV channel for it. And if you've subscribed then it's there and cut out all the buffering crap.
That would require some sort of box to descramble the signal, similar to a Sky box. Not feasible to have that for one channel on 20 days a year.
They could do club matches. Ask Franko.
Quote from: skeog on July 12, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Be a good step if they published what the presenters are getting.
Why?
From a consumer's point of view this is the least of our worries.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 12, 2023, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 12, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Be a good step if they published what the presenters are getting.
Why?
From a consumer's point of view this is the least of our worries.
Are the presenters and other staff being paid by RTE or GAAGO Ltd?
I think that is very relevant to understanding the broader issue
The problem is that punters want all matches on RTE.
And the GAA has created too many games for RTE.
Maybe they could allocate all Ulster matches to GaaGo standard and get BBCNI to broadcast them.
A lot of ulster matches are shite anyway.
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Fine Gael TD Brendan Griffin, from Kerry, asked GAA representatives to consider a county quota for free-to-air broadcasts. Mr Griffin cited his sense of disappointment that young children couldn't see a particularly skillful pass from Kerry's David Clifford in a match against Tyrone.
In response, director general Tom Ryan said the GAA doesn't operate a county quota at the moment, and that he wasn't sure how "practical" such a system would be.
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14:48
Peter McKenna, chief commercial officer at the GAA, said the organisation broadcasts over 300 games across GAAGo and free-to-air, whereas that figure was 170 in previous contracts.
He said only 50 of those were behind a paywall, whereas 52 were in the last broadcast contract.
Eir Sport used to put National League matches behind a paywall, Mr McKenna said, whereas these are now on RTÉ and TG4. The total percentage of paywall matches is 16 to 17 per cent he said, with that figure previously being up at 30 per cent.
Director general Tom Ryan said the most popular matches on GAAGo attract an audience of in excess of 120,000 people, with the smallest audiences coming in at between 1,000 and 1,500 subscribers.
Mr Ryan said broadcast money represents 20 per cent of the GAA's revenue. Asked what percentage of that comes from GAAGo, he said between 10 and15 per cent.
Senator Shane Cassells noted that is a "significant" proportion of the broadcast money coming from GAAGo.
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14:40
Nathan Johns reports:
Following an earlier statement from director general Tom Ryan that all other broadcasters were approached at the end of the Sky deal and expansion of GAAGo, Imelda Munster asked if Virgin Media were contacted as, according to her, they said they were never approached.
Peter McKenna, chief commercial officer of the GAA, said: "Virgin Media were contacted on several occasions. Virgin media preferred a ready to go option, they wouldn't do the production that was required."
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14:33
GAA director general Tom Ryan has acknowledged the cost of €12 per match streamed on GAAGo may be too high a price for some customers.
In response to questions from Peter Fitzpatrick, who said €12 a match was too high "particularly for old people", Mr Ryan said he "noted" the feedback. "We'll be looking at our pricing again going forward."
Mr Fitzpatrick said he thought the annual cost of €79 for all matches was "good value."
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14:20
Unsurprisingly, the GAAGo issue continues to dominate discussion, with GAA director general Tom Ryan being told of a number of individuals who could not watch a Cork hurling match due to being unable to stream.
"I'm not deaf to any of those issues. The feedback the members of the Oireachtas were getting, we were getting that too," he said.
"When there are limitations in capacity, there are choices that have to be made. It really is a question of GAAGo is showing more games than we were ever able to broadcast before, free-to-air has more games that are broadcasted but I don't think we will ever get to the situation where every game is broadcast."
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14:06
Tom Ryan said the "specific purpose" of GAAGo when it was first created in 2014 was to reach the diaspora. However, the Covid pandemic changed that.
"We kind of tore up the broadcasting model. We morphed from an overseas and international provider to a domestic market," he said.
Asked how much of GAAGo's income is derived from domestic viewers versus international, Mr Ryan said he did not have that information, but he believes the domestic impact is greater. The body will accrue around €4 million annually from GAAGo.
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14:00
GAA's director general Tom Ryan said the organisation did approach other broadcasters when the contract with Sky ended, in a process that lasted for around a year.
"We approached every broadcaster. Everybody had the option," he said.
Sinn Féin's Chris Andrews asked Mr Ryan if he believes RTÉ's involvement in GAAGo, which it co-owns, is in conflict with its remit as a public service broadcasters, asking can it "serve two masters?"
"I don't have any particular expertise in RTÉ's public service obligations," Mr Ryan said. "Our GAAGo perspective is from the GAA and we do our best to ensure the interests of the GAA are best served in that venture."
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13:51
GAA director Tom Ryan said the games being aired on GAAGo would previously have been shown on either Sky TV or "probably not shown at all".
"GAAGO has existed and flourished for eight years. The new arrangements and schedule were launched six months before a ball was even pucked. But a date change for one game that was beyond our control, the fantastic match that followed, and some unfortunate commentary around coverage set us on a difficult trajectory for the summer," he said.
"It is great that people want to see our matches, and the hurling and football this summer have been remarkable. But the expectation that every single game should be on television is just not realistic. It's not in our interest, and not in our plans."