And so it begins. Armagh to return to the swashbuckling, attacking football of 2022, or keep faith with the new ultra defensive set-up that ultimately let them down in Div. 1. An Ulster Final at least has to be Armagh's target, but in doing so could mean they're a spent force by the time the round robin comes along. It's into the unknown this year with the new format, but looking forward to harder ground and some great games along the way, bring it on!
Antrim playing in Division three conceded more than any other team in the league this year 15-113 (158). If Armagh don't get a high score in this game alarm bells will be ringing loudly before the All Ireland group stage.
Antrim gave away significant leads against Down, Fermanagh and Cavan. They got absolutely hammered by Westmeath (bit of an anomaly) hence the scoring difference. While I agree Armagh should be winning this, I won't be surprised if they're pushed all the way, certainly won't be expecting any cricket scores.
Be nice to see a team set up with attacking intent like:
Rafferty
McCambridge, Forker, Morgan
C Mackin, McCabe, J Burns
Crealy & Grimley
Soupy, Grugan, TK
Murnin, O'Neill, Turbitt
Injury is going to rob of us of a few of those potential options, so the Tyrone league line out likely again.
No disrespect to Antrim but we should be winning this without a lot of certain starters and I'd imagine that's what we'll want to do to keep the powder dry for Cavan.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 02, 2023, 11:21:23 PM
Antrim playing in Division three conceded more than any other team in the league this year 15-113 (158). If Armagh don't get a high score in this game alarm bells will be ringing loudly before the All Ireland group stage.
Alarm bells are already ringing loudly. That said I expect us to beat Antrim with a bit to spare and then lose to Cavan
I expect Antrim might put up a challenge for 20-25 minutes but would expect us to ease away as the game develops. I don't expect us to suddenly transform into this swashbuckling kicking team though, expect more hand passing and possession based game with zonal defending but our superior conditioning and forward threat will be enough. Bigger tests will lie ahead though so I wouldn't read too much into this match.
The GAAGO website is not showing any championship games yet
https://www.gaago.ie/matches/live
Anyone know if a list of games is available anywhere else?
This fella here does an update every week of all the channels... https://twitter.com/fotoole13?lang=en
Live GAA TV & streaming this week:
Wednesday
7pm: Cork v Tipp (U20H) - TG4 YouTube.
Saturday
5pm: Armagh v Antrim (SFC) - BBC NI.
11pm: New York v Leitrim (SFC) - GAAGO.
Sunday
2pm: Limerick v Kilkenny (HL final) - TG4
4pm: Mayo v Roscommmon (SFC) - RTÉ 2.
We never manage to beat Antrim by much. Wouldn't be surprised if this is another close enough game for long periods.
What will they do about the colour clash..
Quote from: rrhf on April 04, 2023, 09:29:29 AM
What will they do about the colour clash..
I'm sure if there was a colour clash they'd change tops but I'm pretty sure yellow (saffron) and Orange are quite distinctive.
It's never been a problem in the past.
Is it the home or away team that changes jersey or do they toss foss for it?
Quote from: marty34 on April 04, 2023, 11:44:55 AM
Is it the home or away team that changes jersey or do they toss foss for it?
Do both not normally change for Championship?
When did Armagh and Antrim last meet in championship?
Quote from: Gael85 on April 04, 2023, 01:04:35 PM
When did Armagh and Antrim last meet in championship?
2 years ago I think
Orange v saffron from what I can remember
Guys was away last week on Holiday and never got to see Armagh v Tyrone game. How did we play? Have we any injuries for Sat? Have we any injured players back for Sat?.
Quote from: illdecide on April 04, 2023, 01:33:08 PM
Guys was away last week on Holiday and never got to see Armagh v Tyrone game. How did we play? Have we any injuries for Sat? Have we any injured players back for Sat?.
A fairly decent improvement but usual story didn't kick on from a winning position late on. A lot of basic errors from both teams that day.
Murnin and Rian both doubts for Antrim but Rian should be ok for Cavan if we get through.
It was black and white to so no need to turn up the contrasts... seriously on a bright shiny day this will be a hard watch..my too favourite spices saffron and ginger..
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 04, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 04, 2023, 01:04:35 PM
When did Armagh and Antrim last meet in championship?
2 years ago I think
Orange v saffron from what I can remember
It was orange agsinst Saffron and genuinely difficult to distinguish .
I recall a Saturday night gave where Armagh wore white .
For me with my eyesight it would be preferable if Armagh wore their black strip.
Any news on injuries?
Quote from: illdecide on April 04, 2023, 01:33:08 PM
Guys was away last week on Holiday and never got to see Armagh v Tyrone game. How did we play? Have we any injuries for Sat? Have we any injured players back for Sat?.
bate, relegated, Riain out, apart from that futures bright...
Quote from: rrhf on April 06, 2023, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: illdecide on April 04, 2023, 01:33:08 PM
Guys was away last week on Holiday and never got to see Armagh v Tyrone game. How did we play? Have we any injuries for Sat? Have we any injured players back for Sat?.
bate, relegated, Riain out, apart from that futures bright...
I'm pretty sure there will be a Tyrone thread for you to jump into soon enough. In the mean time I hope you're enjoying yourself ::)
Quote from: naka on April 05, 2023, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 04, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 04, 2023, 01:04:35 PM
When did Armagh and Antrim last meet in championship?
2 years ago I think
Orange v saffron from what I can remember
It was orange agsinst Saffron and genuinely difficult to distinguish .
I recall a Saturday night gave where Armagh wore white .
For me with my eyesight it would be preferable if Armagh wore their black strip.
Any news on injuries?
Armagh in the black kit for this match makes good sense.
Is there any golf course near the pitch or is Easter too cold and the split season insane ?
Quote from: seafoid on April 06, 2023, 09:01:31 PM
Is there any golf course near the pitch or is Easter too cold and the split season insane ?
Armagh golf club 2 minutes away.
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is extra toofoolery with the naming of teams this weekend as the new rules about the teams come into force.
The rules have changed again so all senior inter-county teams must publicly name 26-man panels on the Friday afternoon of a championship match.
On first glance that would be a surprising line-up.
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
I don't think it will be too far away tbh. We are killed with injuries at the minute.
Possible that Jarly Og and Nugent start but other than that we'll be as is
Here's how I see it playing out..
Armagh should win by about 20 points, and quite possibly will. County will lose the run of itself, Armagh jersey days in schools, Monday club returns to Lurgan, "Armagh 4 Sam!" appears on the Newry bypass.
Antrim fans will mouth loudly about how unfairly the county is treated by the GAA. 28 will actually turn up to watch the game.
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
When have Armagh ever started with the actual team that was named? I can't remember them ever doing it in recent times so there will be changes.
Burns and Nugent will definitely start if fit. If they don't then I can only presume that both are carrying knocks and aren't being risked. The more worrying fact is that neither Rian O'Neill nor Murnin are even in the 26 man squad which will leave them short of full fitness for Cavan if they even make that game.
Murnin has been coming back from injury his entire senior career so wouldn't really worry about his fitness.
Quote from: trailer on April 07, 2023, 09:10:05 AM
Here's how I see it playing out..
Armagh should win by about 20 points, and quite possibly will. County will lose the run of itself, Armagh jersey days in schools, Monday club returns to Lurgan, "Armagh 4 Sam!" appears on the Newry bypass.
Antrim fans will mouth loudly about how unfairly the county is treated by the GAA. 28 will actually turn up to watch the game.
What makes you think the Monday Club ever left lurgan?
So the row with O'Neill is still unresolved?
I actually like the look of that team and I hope it starts. The only one there who imo doesn't deserve a start is TK, he's been poor all season to date. I've given up on expecting Hall not to be involved altho tbf I thought he put in a good shift v Tyrone.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 07, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is extra toofoolery with the naming of teams this weekend as the new rules about the teams come into force.
The rules have changed again so all senior inter-county teams must publicly name 26-man panels on the Friday afternoon of a championship match.
On first glance that would be a surprising line-up.
If the GAA changed it to a Friday evening at 9 pm.
Some teams train on a Friday evening if they have a game on Saturday.
Tight for programme publishers but more fairer to the players.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 07, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is extra toofoolery with the naming of teams this weekend as the new rules about the teams come into force.
The rules have changed again so all senior inter-county teams must publicly name 26-man panels on the Friday afternoon of a championship match.
On first glance that would be a surprising line-up.
Actually shouldn't be too far away
Grimley has a knock
And Nugent easing himself back to fitness
Conor o Neill and paddy burns also not fit yet
We need a midfielder so why not try Mc partland with crealey
Quote from: naka on April 07, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 07, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
I wouldn't be surprised if there is extra toofoolery with the naming of teams this weekend as the new rules about the teams come into force.
The rules have changed again so all senior inter-county teams must publicly name 26-man panels on the Friday afternoon of a championship match.
On first glance that would be a surprising line-up.
Actually shouldn't be too far away
Grimley has a knock
And Nugent easing himself back to fitness
Conor o Neill and paddy burns also not fit yet
We need a midfielder so why not try Mc partland with crealey
Nugent has been easing himself back to fitness for over a month now. I would have thought at this stage that he would be ready to start.
I think this is a good match to put McPartland into though. We don't yet know if he can compete at this level but only one way to find out
Why has Jarlath Og been dropped? I'd assume he will start.
Mindgames or genuinely dropped?
Naming teams aren't worth the paper they're written on, GAA better going like soccer, have a squad number and that'll do the job in the programme and name the starting 15 an hour before throw in
Quote from: themac_23 on April 07, 2023, 12:40:56 PM
Naming teams aren't worth the paper they're written on, GAA better going like soccer, have a squad number and that'll do the job in the programme and name the starting 15 an hour before throw in
Yeah I would never read too much into any starting team tbh.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 07, 2023, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 07, 2023, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 07, 2023, 02:30:57 AM
Quote from: naka on April 06, 2023, 11:03:13 PM
Interesting Armagh team
OgBurns dropped
No o Neill nor murnin on the bench
Nugent also on the bench
Morgan starts
Rafferty
Morgan forker Mc Kay
Mackin Mc cabe Mc Cambridge
Mcpartland crealey
Campbell grugan Duffy
Hall turbit kelly
Good to see Morgan and Crealey back, we'll need both if we're going to get anywhere this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two changes, Jarly Og and Nugent possibly in.
This named team will hardly start, will it?
When have Armagh ever started with the actual team that was named? I can't remember them ever doing it in recent times so there will be changes.
Burns and Nugent will definitely start if fit. If they don't then I can only presume that both are carrying knocks and aren't being risked. The more worrying fact is that neither Rian O'Neill nor Murnin are even in the 26 man squad which will leave them short of full fitness for Cavan if they even make that game.
Armagh started as named against Galway, Donegal & Kerry. So only in three of their last four games...
Quite likely they will start as named on Saturday evening too.
Armagh start as selected Jarlath Og Burns not on the 26 a blow there.
Antrim changes
23 P McBride for 12 P Finnegan
24 Pat Shivers for 13 D McEnhill
26 R Murray for 15 O Eastwood
17 minutes for Antrim had to wait for their first score. Armagh 0-6 Antrim 0-1
We are slow when in possession
Toothless up front
Physically smaller in most areas
Armagh missing sitters
They take a lot of steps
Will take more scores with that breeze in second half.
No atmosphere either
Jesus Antrim are woeful.
Watching how poor this is, am wondering if Down are any good, saying Antrim should been them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2023, 05:27:15 PM
We are slow when in possession
Toothless up front
Physically smaller in most areas
Armagh missing sitters
They take a lot of steps
Will take more scores with that breeze in second half.
No atmosphere either
I thought we had bigger men this year, McConville said beforehand Antrim are a lot more physical this year. Either way it's the same shit show
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2023, 05:27:15 PM
We are slow when in possession
Toothless up front
Physically smaller in most areas
Armagh missing sitters
They take a lot of steps
Will take more scores with that breeze in second half.
No atmosphere either
Either doesn't rhyme with steps
Down are amazing.
An army of midgets led by a man who walks on water and farts lightning bolts.
Yes Antrim should have beaten Down in Newry in the league. They were much better than us that night. Looking at the Antrim performance today we havent a hope.
Two good long range scores from Antrim towards the end of the half. Armagh 0-10 Antrim 0-4.
Armagh haven't needed to get out of 1st gear. More will be learnt from A v B in house game.
Poor show from Antrim, had the wind and playing into the shooting goals in the 1st and Armagh should be out of site already.
That's as bad a half I've seen from a team (Antrim) considering they had a strong wind.
Is Conleth Gilligan doing umpire. ;D
Looks like he's delivering calves this evening
Least amount of intensity I've seen for a while for a Ulster championship match. 50 minutes played Armagh 0-14 Antrim 0-6
Out of nothing a well taken goal for Antrim, margin back to 5 points.
Anyone else ever think rafferty is dodgy under the high ball
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2023, 06:15:57 PM
Anyone else ever think rafferty is dodgy under the high ball
Definitely. He flapped at 2/3 balls in this game.
FT Armagh 0-20 Antrim 1-8. Very routine win for the home side, I don't think their next opposition Cavan will know anymore than they didn't already after watching that match.
Job done, with a few starters missing, exactly what McGeeney would have been looking as Cavan really would have learned very little. Turbitt MOTM but I thought Duffy put in a savage shift, McPartland with 0.4 from MF certainly put his hand up!
Doesn't know to just come out to fist it and then misses the ball all together.
Armagh never got out of 1st gear and they didn't need to. Antrim were shocking, so many terrible turn overs and poor decisions from them.
20 points scored and Armagh didn't have to break sweat. Could see today why Antrim conceded 23 points per game average in Division 3 this spring.
Didn't like the commentator.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2023, 06:15:57 PM
Anyone else ever think rafferty is dodgy under the high ball
Absolutely. Cavan will be taking notes from that game. As poor as Antrim were, they showed multiple times how Armagh can be got at in the backs.
I'm not just referring to this game but rather in general he's dodgy as hell under the high ball dropping in around the square. The odd big take from the clouds doesn't paper over that weakness.
As shockingly bad as Antrim were, they still should have had another 2 goals and at times cut through relatively easy.
This will give mcgeeney the shitz and they will have the bus parked
for cavan next day out.
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2023, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2023, 06:15:57 PM
Anyone else ever think rafferty is dodgy under the high ball
Absolutely. Cavan will be taking notes from that game. As poor as Antrim were, they showed multiple times how Armagh can be got at in the backs.
An Armagh team that could have 5 or 6 changes for Cavan. Conor O'Neill, Paddy Burns, J Og Burns possibly to come in in defence, Rian O'Neill & Murnin in attack. A lot of competition for places assuming injuries clear.
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
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Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 08, 2023, 07:01:12 PM
Didn't like the commentator.
Philly McMahon talking about KPIs ffs
I'd no issue with that or mcmahon in general. Langan clearly didn't know any first names.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Job done, with a few starters missing, exactly what McGeeney would have been looking as Cavan really would have learned very little. Turbitt MOTM but I thought Duffy put in a savage shift, McPartland with 0.4 from MF certainly put his hand up!
Duffy really? Has been shocking this past few games. Gives nothing going forward and always looks suspect defensively.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2023, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 08, 2023, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2023, 06:15:57 PM
Anyone else ever think rafferty is dodgy under the high ball
Absolutely. Cavan will be taking notes from that game. As poor as Antrim were, they showed multiple times how Armagh can be got at in the backs.
An Armagh team that could have 5 or 6 changes for Cavan. Conor O'Neill, Paddy Burns, J Og Burns possibly to come in in defence, Rian O'Neill & Murnin in attack. A lot of competition for places assuming injuries clear.
No doubt. Rafferty still shaky enough under a high ball. Can't take much from that game, but some things can be looked at to try including targeting a high ball into that area
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Ah it was a game Cavan changed things up and were essentially promoted so weren't hugely bothered. Wouldn't look into likes of those matches that are dead rubbers or such.
Games like this explain why there is a Tailteann Cup.
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Why was the Armagh goal disallowed?
The squarest of square balls
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
I know that Cavan are really confident of winning this match. We'll see but I don't think Armagh will be 😧 fearing Cavan either since there is no substitute for playing weekly against the top teams. Playing against division 3 teams is poles apart from the preparation Armagh have had. Just that the home venue advantage and Cavan's greater need to get into Sam Maguire cup might negate that a bit.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 08, 2023, 07:35:55 PM
I'm not just referring to this game but rather in general he's dodgy as hell under the high ball dropping in around the square. The odd big take from the clouds doesn't paper over that weakness.
As shockingly bad as Antrim were, they still should have had another 2 goals and at times cut through relatively easy.
This will give mcgeeney the shitz and they will have the bus parked
for cavan next day out.
I think every keeper is weak under the high ball. Just never exposed enough unfortunately.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 08, 2023, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Job done, with a few starters missing, exactly what McGeeney would have been looking as Cavan really would have learned very little. Turbitt MOTM but I thought Duffy put in a savage shift, McPartland with 0.4 from MF certainly put his hand up!
Duffy really? Has been shocking this past few games. Gives nothing going forward and always looks suspect defensively.
Duffy played brilliant today. He basically plays box to box and if was allowed the luxury of staying up front without tracking back, like O'Neill or Turbitt, he would get scores.
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Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 08, 2023, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Job done, with a few starters missing, exactly what McGeeney would have been looking as Cavan really would have learned very little. Turbitt MOTM but I thought Duffy put in a savage shift, McPartland with 0.4 from MF certainly put his hand up!
Duffy really? Has been shocking this past few games. Gives nothing going forward and always looks suspect defensively.
Duffy played brilliant today. He basically plays box to box and if was allowed the luxury of staying up front without tracking back, like O'Neill or Turbitt, he would get scores.
The unglamorous stuff doesn't noticed as much
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
When is the Cavan v Armagh game?
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 08, 2023, 08:57:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 08, 2023, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on April 08, 2023, 06:38:13 PM
Job done, with a few starters missing, exactly what McGeeney would have been looking as Cavan really would have learned very little. Turbitt MOTM but I thought Duffy put in a savage shift, McPartland with 0.4 from MF certainly put his hand up!
Duffy really? Has been shocking this past few games. Gives nothing going forward and always looks suspect defensively.
Duffy played brilliant today. He basically plays box to box and if was allowed the luxury of staying up front without tracking back, like O'Neill or Turbitt, he would get scores.
He covered the field today, he is very fast and I think will fit in well with the quicker transition that is needed in the championship.
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
If Armagh, who have won zero under McGeeney, are not 100% and completely focused on winning Ulster above all else then I am truly shocked.
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
If Armagh, who have won zero under McGeeney, are not 100% and completely focused on winning Ulster above all else then I am truly shocked.
Would like to think we are. Cavan game probably 50/50, Armagh maybe slight favourites which will suit yourselves down to the ground. Will be a serious dogfight.
Armagh are 2/1 on. Cavan will be motivated to get to the Ulster final
https://www.boylesports.com/sports/gaa/event/ireland-provincial-sfc/cavan-v-armagh
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
If Armagh, who have won zero under McGeeney, are not 100% and completely focused on winning Ulster above all else then I am truly shocked.
Ciaran McKeever has already stated that the priority is the All Ireland series. That's not to say they don't want to win Ulster but it is not the main priority for the season. For Cavan it is though since it is their only avenue to competing in the Sam Maguire.
In time the provincial series will become nothing more than glorified pre season competitions.
Should ulster not be the target for armagh? No point aiming for the big prize when you can't even win ulster
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2023, 10:04:55 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
If Armagh, who have won zero under McGeeney, are not 100% and completely focused on winning Ulster above all else then I am truly shocked.
Ciaran McKeever has already stated that the priority is the All Ireland series. That's not to say they don't want to win Ulster but it is not the main priority for the season. For Cavan it is though since it is their only avenue to competing in the Sam Maguire.
In time the provincial series will become nothing more than glorified pre season competitions.
If I believed Ciaran McKeever, which I don't, then I'd say that is the stupidest thing I'd have heard in a while. Armagh need to win something so I'm to believe they not that interested in winning ulster but are going to try win the all ireland? They've no chance of winning the all ireland. Or maybe Ciaran is getting his excuses in early?
Quote from: Itchy on April 09, 2023, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 09, 2023, 10:04:55 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 08, 2023, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on April 08, 2023, 07:39:11 PM
You'd have to wonder how Antrim beat Cavan in the League because they were shocking today. For a championship game they put up no resistance and Armagh need not have been any better than average. I think Rafferty has been a big success as goalkeeper but sometimes he is too busy getting involved in plays he has no need to. Today was one of those days. Turbitt rightfully got MOTM and McPartland was excellent on his debut but other than that we will have had tougher training matches.
When you see the gulf in standard between divisions 1 & 3 I'm more confident that we can see off Cavan the next day out but nor would I expect them to be as easy as todays opponents as they're probably a division 2 outfit. We'll need Rian O'Neill, Burns and possibly Murnin back for for that game.
Both Cavan and Armagh are Div 2 teams
I don't see any reason Cavan would fear Armagh and I expect us to win that game.
Notionally they are but Cavan didn't play Kerry. Cavan played at a very different level. Armagh will be a lot faster than that.
Majority of our players spent 2 seasons in Div1. Armagh weren't good enough to stay in Div1 and will play in Div 2 next season - that's the reality.
Game is on Saturday 22nd
Armagh can't play in the Tailteann. That is a big difference.
If Armagh, who have won zero under McGeeney, are not 100% and completely focused on winning Ulster above all else then I am truly shocked.
Ciaran McKeever has already stated that the priority is the All Ireland series. That's not to say they don't want to win Ulster but it is not the main priority for the season. For Cavan it is though since it is their only avenue to competing in the Sam Maguire.
In time the provincial series will become nothing more than glorified pre season competitions.
If I believed Ciaran McKeever, which I don't, then I'd say that is the stupidest thing I'd have heard in a while. Armagh need to win something so I'm to believe they not that interested in winning ulster but are going to try win the all ireland? They've no chance of winning the all ireland. Or maybe Ciaran is getting his excuses in early?
Winning your province will give you a big advantage in terms of winning Sam - as you'll be avoiding all the other provincial winners in the group stages plus you get a more favourable schedule in terms of your games. This gives you the best chance of winning your group (which is good for momentum) plus if a team wins their group, they will have a nice break as opposed to taking part in a 2nd v 3rd group play-off game the week before the quarter-finals. I would have the four teams who win their provinces as the four main favourites to make the semi-finals /win Sam before the group stages start.
McKeever was either lying or doesn't have a proper grasp on the championship structure.
Itchy's hard on for Armagh will reach new heights over the next two weeks. He's off and running already.
Quote from: mackers on April 09, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
Itchy's hard on for Armagh will reach new heights over the next two weeks. He's off and running already.
Cavan have priceless division 4 experience that could swing it
Quote from: mackers on April 09, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
Itchy's hard on for Armagh will reach new heights over the next two weeks. He's off and running already.
All I said is I expect Cavan to win and that Armagh should 100% be up for winning Ulster.
Rafferty - generally good under the high ball but caught out with the wind a few times. Kickouts good, and reasonable distribution when he ventured up field.
Morgan - good tight marker, but of all our backs he is most likely to foul
McKay - steady
Forker - steady and a great outlet on turnovers
Mackin - starting to get more out of him
McCabe - I think our best defender
McCambridge - great energy and good hands
Crealey - Good performance and great to have a target for kickouts
McPartlin - I was very impressed
Campbell - great running and just needed a bit of luck
Grugan - getting back to his best
Duffy - covered a lot of ground
Hall - best I have seen him play
Turbitt - great player to watch
Kelly - hopefully continues to get back to last year's levels
Subs
McQuillan - I want to see more from this man as I think he has great potential at county level
Hard to assess individual performances based on the quality of the opposition. Antrim are a poor side. But good to see the likes of Morgan and Crealey back and McPartland coming in and doing well with his chance.
Cavan are going to be hard to beat in Breffni and we'll need to be at the top of our game. They'll be very motivated as they'll need to get to an Ulster final under the new system, plus they are always motivated against us. If we get over Cavan i'll be happy.
Quote from: Orior on April 09, 2023, 07:18:57 PM
Rafferty - generally good under the high ball but caught out with the wind a few times. Kickouts good, and reasonable distribution when he ventured up field.
Morgan - good tight marker, but of all our backs he is most likely to foul
McKay - steady
Forker - steady and a great outlet on turnovers
Mackin - starting to get more out of him
McCabe - I think our best defender
McCambridge - great energy and good hands
Crealey - Good performance and great to have a target for kickouts
McPartlin - I was very impressed
Campbell - great running and just needed a bit of luck
Grugan - getting back to his best
Duffy - covered a lot of ground
Hall - best I have seen him play
Turbitt - great player to watch
Kelly - hopefully continues to get back to last year's levels
Subs
McQuillan - I want to see more from this man as I think he has great potential at county level
Kelly is low key so far this year
Had to watch the Armagh game from Scotland...was a poor game but KMvG will be delighted to get thru that unscathed with a couple of positive performances and hopefully getting a few more back from injury. The Cavan game will be tough as they're a big strong side in the right areas and can lift their performances for big games. I expect Armagh to win this by 2-3pts but it will be close and certainly couldn't rule out a draw. Should be a full house and I expect it to go to the wire...Actually looking forward to this game and should be a cracker