Lets get the party started.................
Many similarities to the '04 game. Tyrone stumble past a dogged Fermanagh, Donegal win in Ballybofey......they meet in Clones. On that day McFadden played the game of his life, hitting something like 1-7.
The teams then:
Tyrone:
J Devine;
R McMenamin, C Gormley, C Gourley;
J McMahon, S Sweeney, P Jordan;
G Cavlan, S Cavanagh;
B Dooher, B McGuigan, S O'Neill;
M Harte, K Hughes, O Mulligan.
Donegal:
P Durcan;
N McCready, R Sweeney, D Diver;
E Magee, B Monaghan, S Carr;
B Boyle, B McLaughlin;
C Toye, M Hegarty, B Roper;
C McFadden, A Sweeney, B Devenney.
Looking at that Donegal seem to have the more improved side, especially at midfield and in defence.
Still has to be question marks over their mental strength though.
Today they should have stepped up and shown what they were about and they totally flopped, but ofr McFadden's frees and a jammy goal.
Still think Donegal will win, but lose the final
Too far way to predict the Tyrone starting line-up but at near full strength bar the best CHF in Ireland I still fancy us if big Sean is up for another man of the match performance.
I think that Tyrone have more potential to win this game. Donegal were woeful at the marking today. Tyrone, if they get more disciplined and a few more key men back, well we should win the game. Not comfortably, but win it.
I think it will end up a Tyrone -v- Down Ulster Final, a repeat of 2003.
I really do fancy Tyrone for this one - Donegal are a good side but Tyrone for the first time in a long time will be underdogs -
Fairly disappointing displays from both teams in the quarter finalsbut I suppose, having won, neither will care too much. Think Tyrone might have a bit more improvement in them, might just shade by a point or two. On form, you'd expect the winner to take Ulster but I've a feeling Derry might have a sting in the tail from the "weaker" side of the draw.
I'd be amazed if it was anywhere other than Clones
Tyrone have not played well for the guts of a year and have not much in the way of form going into the game, donegal managed to beat a very tough Armagh team and they feel they did not play well at all at all. Donegal will win this one by about four points, they have gotten over the Armagh jinx and tyrone will hardly scare them given the current injury crisis in the red hand counbty panel. Donegal by 4 in the Ulster semi final and may I be one of the first to wish them the best of luck.
Donegal will win Sam this year, I can feel it in me water.
Sligo to win connaught. :P
Dublin and Kerry to win Lenister and Munster respectfully.
Quote from: stew on May 28, 2007, 01:19:10 AM
Dublin and Kerry to win Lenister and Munster respectfully.
Glad that they are both going to win in a dignified manner.
Quote from: 02 on May 28, 2007, 04:32:09 AM
Quote from: stew on May 28, 2007, 01:19:10 AM
Dublin and Kerry to win Lenister and Munster respectfully.
Glad that they are both going to win in a dignified manner.
:D
I deserved that after inserting the wrong word. oops
What state of fitness is Joe McMahon in at the minute?
Any time McGinley has played on Devenney he has been well and truly roasted :(
Damien McCaul could be handed the role of marking Devenney. May not have the experience but will not be caught for speed.
What's the latest on Devenney after yesterday's wee rumble in the Ballybofey Jungle.
So funny watching BBC last night as all 3 guys in Studio obviously hate each other now.
I used to like McHugh but he's a sly wee sh*te and won't be truthful about how he feels.
I heard back in 2005 he had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them.
I think it should be a good game and it will be interesting to see will it be a more open match than that war of swarm yesterday.
Amazing how players now can get away with hitting officials on the sideline. Should this not be punished more severely.
I think we need McGinley out of Full back as he is way too slow and is gonna get roasted if they get good ball into FF line.
Might be no harm if Mellon gets a rest as we could see SON, Mugsy and Gormley in FF line with Dooher, Calvo and Tommy in half Forward line.
Still leaving McGinley as 2nd half sub if not a MF?
Mickey needs to sort our whinging at Refs and general indiscipline out although only Ricey got a yellow card last time.
Thought Donegal had no real outstanding players yesterday although suppose Lacey did OK and did McGonagley.
Anyone think Ricey could lose his place? I for one would be happy to leave him out especially if we've got
McCaul
McGee (Is he fit again)
Gourley (Is he ever fit)
Holmes (Maybe new Full back - Did OK 2003 for a while)
Justy (Would he be any good at Corner back)
All much more disciplined tacklers with no Pre-match Ref bias to influence them.
Think lots of Refs with Ricey and Bellew will often look to punish them quicker than some and can understand why
After yesterday's performace by Donegal I'd fully expect them to win,they've nowhere to go but upwards. Tyrone are not the team they were in 2005 or 2003.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
Anyone think Ricey could lose his place? I for one would be happy to leave him out especially if we've got
McCaul
McGee (Is he fit again)
Gourley (Is he ever fit)
Holmes (Maybe new Full back - Did OK 2003 for a while)
Justy (Would he be any good at Corner back)
All much more disciplined tacklers with no Pre-match Ref bias to influence them.
Think lots of Refs with Ricey and Bellew will often look to punish them quicker than some and can understand why
Ricey will be on we need him and dont have anybody else as good as him although I think he is not the force he was between 2003-2005
McCaul looks like a prospect.
Forget about Holmes and Gourley persistently injured and cant see them being up to the pace required.
Justin McMahon would maybe have enough defensive ability in the half back line (personally I dont think he has) and would definitely not be capable of playing corner back in a county championship game.
We're doomed, DOOMED I tell ye!!
Just think Ricey is getting too carried away with all the hype about himself and like to many others is into his white or red boots and playing the fool rather than focusing on the job in hand.
How many times does he have to keep doing really silly fouls and kicks at someone without getting properly punished.
Felt last night on TV they were implying that some refs may not punish a player now so that they can be taken up on TV evidence and punshed properly.
I'd say the DRA or whoever would love to get a chance to put one over on Ricey or Tyrone in general as we've shown them up too many times now.
I honestly think that Ulster is wide open this year.
I know you can say Donegal must improve after the Armagh game, but so must tyrone after the fermanagh game.
It's a 50-50 call - even if both teams have all players fit and well. A draw wouldnt be a surprise, but on pre-championship form you would still have to say Donegal for the final (but only just).
As for the other side of the draw, Derry definately favorites to come out of it but how many times in the past have they slipped up against a "weaker" side? Derry are minus Paddy Bradley and Kevin McGuckain...and all of the replacement corner backs are injured so I reckon even Antrim have a chance of an upset. I also think Down will be a lot better next day out. I think it will be a Derry v Down semi which Derry will win by a point or two then a Donegal v Derry final.
Derry owe Donegal one after last years debacle, and by then would have Bradley back, and maybe even mcguckian so if - and it's a big if - Derry get to the final I fancy them to win it. If not, then Donegal would walk the final.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
So funny watching BBC last night as all 3 guys in Studio obviously hate each other now.
I used to like McHugh but he's a sly wee sh*te and won't be truthful about how he feels.
I heard back in 2005 he had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them.
You
heard that McHugh "had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them."
I've listen to McHugh commenting on Highland Radio regularly. He always comes across to me as brutally honest, and while obviously rooting for Donegal on a Donegal radio station, he doesn't spare the criticism when he feels its due. I've never heard any nasty or biased comments from him towards any other Ulster county. Regarding Tyrone, I've heard him speak numerous times over his admiration for the work they have put in to producing the line of players and success they have enjoyed in recent years.
Some unsubstantiated anecdote about his sons wearing Armagh jerseys is hardly proof of any bias on his part.
Will it be all ticket? - should be a big crowd but dont think it will be quite full so not neccesary.
Id like to see the following team if everyone is fit:
Devine
McMenamin (on Deveney and told not to burst forward)
McCaul (on McFadden)
Carlin
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
Cavanangh
C Cavanagh
T McGuigan
Dooher
McGinley
O'Neil
Mulligan
That would still leave Mellon,Cavlan and the McMahons to be sprung from the bench.
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2007, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
So funny watching BBC last night as all 3 guys in Studio obviously hate each other now.
I used to like McHugh but he's a sly wee sh*te and won't be truthful about how he feels.
I heard back in 2005 he had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them.
You heard that McHugh "had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them."
I've listen to McHugh commenting on Highland Radio regularly. He always comes across to me as brutally honest, and while obviously rooting for Donegal on a Donegal radio station, he doesn't spare the criticism when he feels its due. I've never heard any nasty or biased comments from him towards any other Ulster county. Regarding Tyrone, I've heard him speak numerous times over his admiration for the work they have put in to producing the line of players and success they have enjoyed in recent years.
Some unsubstantiated anecdote about his sons wearing Armagh jerseys is hardly proof of any bias on his part.
J70, in a TyroneGAA magazine this week, a former Tyrone county footballer from the 80s writes in his column regarding his disgust at McHugh's comments during the Tyrone v Fermanagh game last week. This player was sitting near McHugh and he claims his bias against Tyrone was evident as early as the minor game. He claims that from listening to him that McHugh 'harbours a serious dislike for Tyrone football', maintaining that he 'expressed anti-Tyrone sentiments on a few too many occasions'.
This is actually a surprise to me, but he had no reason to write about this other than an honest observation.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 28, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Will it be all ticket? - should be a big crowd but dont think it will be quite full so not neccesary.
Id like to see the following team if everyone is fit:
Devine
McMenamin (on Deveney and told not to burst forward)
McCaul (on McFadden)
Carlin
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
Cavanangh
C Cavanagh
T McGuigan
Dooher
McGinley
O'Neil
Mulligan
That would still leave Mellon,Cavlan and the McMahons to be sprung from the bench.
I don't understand what McConnell did wrong - was he to blame for the 4-goal salvo by Mayo?
I think McGinley would do a job on McFadden.
Apart from that 100% spot on if fit.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2007, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 28, 2007, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 28, 2007, 11:17:02 AM
So funny watching BBC last night as all 3 guys in Studio obviously hate each other now.
I used to like McHugh but he's a sly wee sh*te and won't be truthful about how he feels.
I heard back in 2005 he had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them.
You heard that McHugh "had his sons wearing Armagh jerseys to the Tyrone game and is always having snide reamrks at them."
I've listen to McHugh commenting on Highland Radio regularly. He always comes across to me as brutally honest, and while obviously rooting for Donegal on a Donegal radio station, he doesn't spare the criticism when he feels its due. I've never heard any nasty or biased comments from him towards any other Ulster county. Regarding Tyrone, I've heard him speak numerous times over his admiration for the work they have put in to producing the line of players and success they have enjoyed in recent years.
Some unsubstantiated anecdote about his sons wearing Armagh jerseys is hardly proof of any bias on his part.
J70, in a TyroneGAA magazine this week, a former Tyrone county footballer from the 80s writes in his column regarding his disgust at McHugh's comments during the Tyrone v Fermanagh game last week. This player was sitting near McHugh and he claims his bias against Tyrone was evident as early as the minor game. He claims that from listening to him that McHugh 'harbours a serious dislike for Tyrone football', maintaining that he 'expressed anti-Tyrone sentiments on a few too many occasions'.
This is actually a surprise to me, but he had no reason to write about this other than an honest observation.
And of course that former Tyrone player is a paragon of objectivity!
What did McHugh actually say? I'm sure there were plenty listening to Highland radio who would have heard it.
QuoteAnd of course that former Tyrone player is a paragon of objectivity!
But Donegal weren't involved in this in any way which surprised the journalist. Personally I've never heard anything like this before regarding McHugh and I can recall on many occasions his great admiration for "shan" Cavanagh. I just thought it was odd and shocked me somewhat I suppose.
Quote from: ONeill on May 28, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 28, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Will it be all ticket? - should be a big crowd but dont think it will be quite full so not neccesary.
Id like to see the following team if everyone is fit:
Devine
McMenamin (on Deveney and told not to burst forward)
McCaul (on McFadden)
Carlin
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Hughes
Cavanangh
C Cavanagh
T McGuigan
Dooher
McGinley
O'Neil
Mulligan
That would still leave Mellon,Cavlan and the McMahons to be sprung from the bench.
I don't understand what McConnell did wrong - was he to blame for the 4-goal salvo by Mayo?
I think McGinley would do a job on McFadden.
Apart from that 100% spot on if fit.
Divine
Ricey
J McMahon
Carlin
Harte
Gormley ( may need to be switched to follow McFadden if he's on his game)
Jordan (would need to be a little sharper though from last day out)
Hughes
S.Cavanagh
E.McGinley
T McGuigan
S O'Neill
N.Gormley
Mulligan
C McCarron/ McCullagh
I honestly believe we need more players on-board that can take scores, Harte seems to go more for the grafters like
Dooher, Enda, Mellon and co but they're not exactly going to put a lot of points on the board. Any one of them on the field at a time is enough imo
With Hughes coming back into it, Harte, Jordan, Gormley and the likes of Tommy, i think we're not too badly fixed for Hoovers around the
middle for breaking ball. Quality fast ball into that forward line i think would cause problems for the best of them, enough of the short game
in to culdesac's, that tactic has been played out and pretty much expected from us at this stage.
Again, O'Neill imo is wasted at 14 as i feel he is too easily nullified by putting a sweeper in front of him and i wouldn't exactly class him as strong in the air.
He worked out there in '05 no doubt but nothing stays the same and coaches have counteracted, Bring him out to the 40 where he can make a bit of room
where there'll not be 2 or 3 defenders hanging out of him
all the time and who knows what it might do for his confidence 8)
Agree O'neill that McFadden might suit Cormac McGinley. McGinley is generally good under the high ball (but prone to the odd mistake) and McFadden just like McGinley wouldnt be the quickest. If McGinley does start he must pick up McFadden and not be put on Brendan D. McConnell probably was at fault for at least one goal in the Mayo game. He has got into the habit of bursting out of his goal at the wrong time to go for balls he's not getting. Having said that I wouldnt have total confidence in Devine either and dont think there's much between them. Devine tends to kick the ball out over the side line far to often when trying to direct kickouts (Packie just doesnt bother trying to direct them but generally keeps the ball on the field!) Other people have mentioned Curran but I definately dont think he's ready. Looks like a good shot stopper, however in the u21's and v Monaghan in the McKenna cup he had problems under the high ball and looked a bit nervous. If O'Neill isnt fit to start Id throw Colm C back to full forward and maybe bring Mellon back to half forward (needs to get involved a lot more though). If Enda McGinley plays corner forward he provides lots of options. He can play in a 3 man full forawrd line as the ball winner or cover in the middle. If Tyrone are struggling at the back he can sit back in the half back line which allows Gormley to act as sweeper in the full back line and also allows are two good attacking wing backs to burst forward. Cavlan is a great option on the bench and can be a match winner in the last 20 mins. Its going to be a huge game for Tommy McGuigan and although he did well against Fermanagh Im still not totally convinced. He does have a greedy streak (not to the extent of Penrose) in him which has been evident since his minor days and its crucial that he plays the ball on to players in a better position. The potential is there though. Donegal should be a great match and lets hope our fans turn up this time and we arent completly out numbered by the Donegal crew.
Tyrones Own, I dont agree with that full forward line at all and believe if we start with that we'll get beat. I thought against Fermanagh are full forward line was the weakest line on the pitch. There's no way you can get away with both Gormley and McCullagh/McCarron. The last day there was no outlet in the full forward line, them forwards require the almost perfect ball. The ball has to be worked to much to get them in scoring positions. If any of them should start it would be Gormley but depite his point taking I dont think he convinced enough to start. He just a bit small and light to win ball in a game against a strong team like Donegal. In my opinion if he'd started yesterday in the Armagh game he wouldnt have found the space to operate. He is a good sub though to throw on for 15-20 mins when the game opens up. He impressed me down in Limerick and against Kerry.
Must say I listened to a fair bit of Tyrone v. Fermanagh on Highland Radio and I was taken aback by some of the stuff McHugh said about Tyrone. Ive always liked him, have a soft spot for Donegal and well remember him as a great player for them, but it was clear listening to that commentary that he some kind of issue with Tyrone. He clearly took pleasure in Tyrone struggling, seemed to delight in writing them off and made a few personal attacks on players. For example he said of Nial Gormley after about twenty minutes "this is the first time Ive seen and he is a very selfish player". How could he say that so early in the game? Also made comments about the likes of Dooher, Hughes, McMenamin being off the pace and suggested they were basically washed up. Now I wouldnt normally indulge in any kind of 'media dont like us' talk but McHugh came across poorly that day and I wasnt at all surprised to see it was picked up upon in Teamtalk.
As for the game itself if we can SoN and Mugsy fit then we'll be in with a fighting chance. Would like to think there is also a big game in Raymie Mulgrew (again if fit) sometime soon. There would be a temptation to throw young McCaul in to the full-back line but a big ask for his first championship start....
It's a bit early for my team selection, but Gallagher's 2 catches in the opening 10 minutes in Ballybofey were a joy to watch. He can leap and fetch, no doubt about it. My biggest fear is midfield. Sean is a class act, but imagine he has an off day. We could get cleaned out in there, completely destroyed. Cassidy was shocking on Sunday, so he'll not play as bad. Devine's kickouts tend to hang in the air which is perfect for the 2 Donegal men. Our only chance of survival in this area is good hoovering, short kick-outs, or get Joe McMahon in there to apply the fist. I thought he done a decent job down in Tralee, even though big Daragh was rampant that night. Even with Sean playing a stormer, his strength is his leadership and drive, not necessarilly his fetching. Midfield is key for me. Gone are the days the big blond bomber from the Moy lorded this sector with his partner in crime, the disgracefully moustached Harold McClure from the wilds of Clonoe. Glorious days indeed.
D. MC CAUL to full back please - Mc Ginley is a good lad but not Tyrone material - everybody realises this - if Mc Ginley plays full back, Tyrone's chances will be reduced.
QuoteMc Ginley is a good lad but not Tyrone material - everybody realises this
Unfortunatley Micky Harte doesn't...................................
File under Peter Donnelly and Martin Penrose
Both teams are going into this game on the back of unconvincing wins. All the ingredients for a cracker. It'll be interesting to see how the bookies rate this:
a) Recent form - Donegal are unbeaten in NFL and SFC. Hammered Tyrone in Omagh. Donegal defeat holders Armagh in tough season-defining encounter. Tyrone stumble past a side with no wins in 2007 in all competitions.
b) Championship credentials - Tyrone, been there done that x2. Donegal - no Ulster title since 1992.
c) Injuries - Donegal are almost at 100%. Tyrone still have huge doubts.
Although I'd have Donegal slight favourites, PP has Tyrone 13/8 for the Provincial and Donegal 15/8.
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2007, 11:24:46 PM
D. MC CAUL to full back please - Mc Ginley is a good lad but not Tyrone material - everybody realises this - if Mc Ginley plays full back, Tyrone's chances will be reduced.
Interesting, and worth I'd try I'd say in the absence of Joe Mc Mahon. Classy footballer Damien Mc Caul.
Interesting Paddy Heaney article today. In a twisted heaney - esque way is he trying to get Mellon 8/12 weeks and ultimately get his revenge on the Moy letterwriter who questioned his jouralistic integrity not even 2 weeks ago.
I misssed the first game due to a family Bereavement and now going to miss this one due to being on holidays in Cyrpus. Hopefully get somewere overthere to watch it. Can anyone reccommend a good Irish bar that might be showing it?
Ryan Mellon will get 4 weeks - GUARANTEED - That's all he deserves anyway - nothing more than that - it's only an attempt to sell newspapers to suggest otherwise - that man Mooney again ?????
This is a seriously hard game to call. Both teams are coming into it on the back of poor first round performances although Donegals earlier form is much better than Tyrones.
The two main concerns I would have from a Tyrone perspective are:
- Donegals manager will know the Tyrone players inside out and be well prepared to exploit potential weaknesses like full back
- The intenslity of the Donegal and Armagh game was immense. For Donegal to play relatively poorly but match Armaghs intensity and sneak the win will give them great confidence. Since Paddy Tally left I have had reservations about the conditioning of the Tyrone players for these highly charged games, if Donegal bring that kind of game with them Tyrone could struggle to match it. It took the run of games in 2005 to bring Tyrone on.
Have you got over the Cookstwon game yet ? Hard to believe - what you think ?
What's the bets somebody picks up another injury over the next 3 weeks?
Does anyone actually know what's the story with Joey now?
Is he just not match fit or like Mugsy a bit heavy on it.
Is there any more time frame on Brian's eye?
Has he any vision in it now at all?
Brian's vision hasn't recovered very much at all - his vision is still a blur - I think he's going to see specialist today as he's concerned that the vision isn't coming on as well as he was hoping for -
QuoteSince Paddy Tally left I have had reservations about the conditioning of the Tyrone players for these highly charged games
Agree 100% -Tyrone have generally not looked sharp at all since 2003.
It took them until the Dublin replay to start looking the part in 2005 and that was purely down to volume of games played.
Saw McMahon, McGee and (I think) Penrose dandering up the main street in Clones 2 Sundays ago just beofre start of minor game - Joey certainnly didn't seem to be carrying much beef on him - and actually seemed a lot smaller than you would think.
Something tells me there is a great performance left in this Tyrone team - whether Donegal is 2 or 3 games too early I don't know but a 60min repeat of 1st half v Louth (replay) would go down nicely.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42978000/jpg/_42978245_brian_mcguigan300.jpg)
Brian McGuigan apparently at the Ardboe V Cookstown match.
Grow a bit of a stubble and he could pass for Roy Keane.
That's Brian ok at the Ardboev v Cookstown match - hopefully he'll have a jersey on shortly -
QuoteIt took them until the Dublin replay to start looking the part in 2005 and that was purely down to volume of games played.
Cant sayI agree. In the cavan replay and the 2 ulster final games they looked the part. Blew Armagh out of the water for most of both games.
I think the biggest problem Donegal had against Armagh was that the Armagh defenders were physically as strong if not stronger than the Donegal forwards and that this led to a lot of stop start play - I don't think Tyrone have the physique to stop them like Armagh did and this will boost Donegal's chances considerably..
Quote from: neutral on May 29, 2007, 10:08:07 AM
Interesting Paddy Heaney article today. In a twisted heaney - esque way is he trying to get Mellon 8/12 weeks and ultimately get his revenge on the Moy letterwriter who questioned his jouralistic integrity not even 2 weeks ago.
Any chance of someone posting this article??
Against The Breeze By Paddy Heaney
Ban Looms for Mellon' ran a headline in yesterday's Irish News. 'Yippeee! More trouble for Tyrone', thought thousands of readers as they gleefully tore into the story hoping to discover what further disaster lay in store for the Red Hands.
The headline and accompanying picture of Ryan Mellon suggested that the Moy man could be in a spot of bother after he was sent off in the Tyrone county championship. But one sentence blew the story out of the water.
Readers were informed: "If the offence warrants anything longer than a four-week suspension, then he could be banned from county and club football.''
I laughed when I read this. I don't know what precisely Mellon did. I could make a few phone calls to find out. But that's unnecessary.
Maybe he was guilty of an attempted strike with minimum force. Or maybe he bit the referee's ear off.
It doesn't really matter, because we can say with some confidence that the Tyrone County Board will come to the conclusion that the offence doesn't warrant anything longer than a four-week ban. I firmly believe Mellon will be available to play against Donegal.
The paranoid Tyrone fans now grinding their teeth and preparing a 55,000-word response to this column should calm themselves down. This is not a criticism of the ethical standards of the Tyrone County Board.
When it comes to crime and punishment, the overwhelming majority of county boards act in the same manner – there is one set of rules for club footballers and another for county players.
This double-edged disciplinary system has resulted in fudging and deceit on such a grand scale that it would make an Italian mafioso blush.
For years referees have played a complicit role in this process. Some whistlers are such dedicated fans they refuse to show red cards to county players.
My neighbour Jody Gormley recounts a yarn about one such official who used to referee in Tyrone. The individual concerned took charge of a game involving Trillick.
Jody, who was in the Tyrone team at the time, had committed one bad foul and was skating on thin ice when he committed another. When the referee beckoned him over, he thought an early shower beckoned. His fears were unfounded.
"Now, Jody,'' said the referee, "I'm sorry, but if you keep doing that, I'm going to have to book you.''
On the few occasions when referees have thrown a wobbler and actually sent a county man off, we have watched county boards put their diplomatic machine into action.
The referee is approached. He's asked to consider what he's going to put in his match report. A county official might ask: 'Was it really a forearm smash? Maybe he was just trying to push him away with his elbow?'
The referee will mull over these helpful suggestions. He'll think about his All-Ireland tickets, the big games he wants to take charge of, and future mileage expenses. He'll ponder it all – and then realise that he made a terrible mistake.
What was he thinking giving the player a straight red when it should have been two yellows?
The most obvious example of county board revisionism occurred in 2004 when Darragh O Se received a straight red when playing for An Ghaeltacht.
Under the rules, O Se should have missed the upcoming All-Ireland semi-final against Cork. By the time the Kerry County Board had completed its disciplinary process, O Se was free to play.
Much was written about the aforementioned case and there was a great deal of caterwauling and criticism. But again, if we're brutally honest, the story would only have really shocked us if the Kerry board had acted differently.
O Se's case was amusing because it highlighted the self-serving culture of the GAA in glorious technicolour. While everyone complained, everyone also understood.
Most supporters would have expected their county boards to act in exactly the same manner. In the GAA, we place a high premium on success. You do what you have to do to get your best team on the field.
And this is why Paddy Bradley's expected absence from this Sunday's first round clash against Antrim has baffled the entire country.
The Derry County Board's decision to serve the senior team's best player with a three-month ban could have disastrous consequences in Casement Park at the weekend.
Bradley, who has an impeccable disciplinary record, got sent off in a recent club game. To compound matters, he got entangled with the referee after the official announced the incorrect result.
In other counties, something would have happened. An agreement would have been brokered which included a version of events that would have allowed Paddy Bradley to continue representing his county.
But not in Derry. The county board slapped him with a 12-week ban. The reaction to these events has been interesting. If the Derry County Board thought they would receive applause and credit for 'doing the right thing' they've been mistaken. People outside Derry are even more mystified and
confused than those living within the county.
Needless to say, it's a major talking point in the county. Many regard the decision as a self-inflicted wound. It hasn't gone unnoticed that Tyrone's Owen Mulligan received three reds in 18 months but was fit to play against Fermanagh because his county board appealed his red card against Mayo.
Meanwhile, Paddy Bradley gets one red card and will miss three months of action BECAUSE of his county board.
The whole episode involving Paddy Bradley is intriguing because it casts a spotlight on our sporting ideals. In the GAA, we don't believe that there is any reward in virtue. Success comes from bending the rules, and breaking them if necessary. This is the accepted culture.
Well, it's the accepted culture of 31 counties.
But maybe the 'Paddy Bradley saga' could spark a sea change. Maybe Derry will beat Antrim and then Monaghan or Down without their top scorer. And maybe they'll win the Ulster final with a suitably penitent Paddy leading the attack. Maybe then the rest of the country will come to see that virtue does bring reward.
Yeah. And maybe Waterford will beat Kerry at the weekend, Antrim will win the Liam McCarthy Cup, and Ryan Mellon will get a 12-week suspension from the Tyrone County Board. Maybe.
Cheers onefut
Bit paranoid to read a sinister motive in that.
Sounds reasonable, if anything it's putting pressure on the Derry County Board
Noel McGinley's Donegal career was essentially finished when the Donegal County Board upheld a red card he received in a club game. As far as I remember, it came in the run-up to the '03 quarter or semi-final. Now maybe the situation might have been different had Brendan Devenney or Adrian Sweeney been involved, but then again John Gildea got a lengthy ban in the late 90s for playing in the states, and he was one of our top players at the time. I think he only missed the league though. Fair play to Derry for having a bit of integrity, even if it only brings sniggers from other counties.
Quote from: orangeman on May 29, 2007, 11:42:01 AM
Have you got over the Cookstwon game yet ? Hard to believe - what you think ?
No still gutted about last Friday night. The writing had been on the wall in the lead up to the game - the Killeshil performance was actually worse. Its the attitude of the players that is the hardest thing to take. How do you go from from hammering Errigal with a highly charged display of tough quality football to losing to Cookstown in that manner? I saw one or two players coming out of the changing room after the game and one in particular who was playing was actually laughing and joking - I couldnt believe it, I was gutted and wasn't even playing.
They need to get back to basics then ? Back to whatever the Errigal performance was made up of - Cookstown barely deserved the victory either - maybe this will be the final wake up call that is needed - but then again, maybe not ?
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2007, 09:57:29 AM
They need to get back to basics then ? Back to whatever the Errigal performance was made up of - Cookstown barely deserved the victory either - maybe this will be the final wake up call that is needed - but then again, maybe not ?
Well it is sink or swin now - it will either make or break this particular group of players. They have a fair few league games left this year to retain division 1 status and to build a team for next season. Major surgery and work is needed. I hope the current manager stays - they chop and change managers too much, the majority of reports about Keenan are excellent and hopefully he will stay on and mould a team.
he got entangled with the referee after the official announced the incorrect result.
What does this mean Mr Heaney?
Was the Ref a octopus that couldn't decide who won the match?
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Sorry to put this on this thread but I was hoping either J70 or Fear on Strath Ban or any other poster up that way might be able to help me out. Heading to Lifford's pitch on Thursday nite but unsure were it is? Can any of you's help with directions at all?
Let's hope they react positively and they all get behind each other. Major surgery needed ?
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2007, 11:47:46 AM
Let's hope they react positively and they all get behind each other. Major surgery needed ?
I think changes are required, do you not? We need a full back, centre half back and a half back/forward line capable of securing primary possession and driving forward. Too many players are poor on the breaking ball, too easily turned back and look for the handy option of playing laterally instead of playing directly and getting the ball to the inside forwards.
Very interesting assessment - the ball is definitely being held up too much and inside forwards can be marked by the time the ball gets their length.
Liffords pitch is just off this Roughan Road down left from the diamond.
http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Strabane+Ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.51141,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=54.833918,-7.478042&spn=0.018093,0.039911&z=15&om=1 (http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Strabane+Ireland&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=50.51141,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=54.833918,-7.478042&spn=0.018093,0.039911&z=15&om=1)
See Paddy Bradley got off. Logan does the bizz again. Unbelieveable
Anyway can we get back to the Tyrone v Donegal game.
I wasnt at this game the last time when McFadden was on fire.
Will it be another close defensive game or will Tyrone open up and play ball.
I'd like to see McMahon FB, Block CHB, Hub & Sean MF, Cavlan back on the 40 with SON FF.
Maybe Dooher and McGuigan two wing backs and Mugsy and Enda in the Corners.
With that team U can't say we'll be outmuscled anyway.
When does Mellon get his suspension?
Cheers Fuzzman!!
Quote from: supersarsfields on May 30, 2007, 11:42:31 AM
Sorry to put this on this thread but I was hoping either J70 or Fear on Strath Ban or any other poster up that way might be able to help me out. Heading to Lifford's pitch on Thursday nite but unsure were it is? Can any of you's help with directions at all?
Apologies supersarsfields, completely missed your post earlier.
Quote from: orangeman on May 30, 2007, 12:46:01 PM
Very interesting assessment - the ball is definitely being held up too much and inside forwards can be marked by the time the ball gets their length.
Yes I definitely feel the ball is held up too much however there is another side to that in that the Ardboe forwards do not make enough of the 'hard' runs to make space for themselves and probably more importantly space for their team mate
No harm lads, but this ain't an Ardboe thread!!!!
I noticed Mugsy had his leg strapped at the weekend?
Has he a injury still?
How is he training? Is he labouring or about to up the ante now soon.
Is Penfold back in the running again?
Loughshore lad, did i read your post right? We need a centre half back?! Most people would say we have the best in Ireland at the minute. For me he was the man of the match against Fermanagh.
Assume they're talking about Ardboe tactics and selection on this thread for some reason Roddy
In Ulster all the big guns are on the one side of the draw, who does it look will make it into the final from the other side??
Derry Monaghan or Down in that order probably, but I wouldn't rule out any of them.
SS
Head over the Bridge to Lifford.
Before you come to the roundabout cut back to your right past McAuley's cafe.
Keep going for 100yards til you see the old jail on your right.
Turn left here, and you're on your way.
Its about 2 mins from the Bridge so you'll not be far wrong.
Did you get that PM I sent you last week?
Quote from: Wee Roddy on May 30, 2007, 05:18:43 PM
Loughshore lad, did i read your post right? We need a centre half back?! Most people would say we have the best in Ireland at the minute. For me he was the man of the match against Fermanagh.
Sorry Roddy I was talking about the club situation with orangeman. Tyrones centre half back is in my opinion the best defender about at the moment and is a real class act.
Any word on venue for Donegal game ? Any word of tickets ? Who's fit - who's not fit ?
I would presume its definetely in Clones abd would expect ONLY the Gerry Arthur Stand to be all ticket
Don't think there's any fresh injury worries since last week's championship games despite the Moy getting quite a brusing evening.
Does anyone have any info from recent training sessions? How's flying and who's dying?
Will young Gormley and Tommy hold onto their places and will Mellon be dropped or suspended?
Its all very quiet of late. Just trying to think when did we won Ulster before 2003 and who did we beat?
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2007, 12:54:39 PM
I would presume its definetely in Clones abd would expect ONLY the Gerry Arthur Stand to be all ticket
Don't think there's any fresh injury worries since last week's championship games despite the Moy getting quite a brusing evening.
Does anyone have any info from recent training sessions? How's flying and who's dying?
Will young Gormley and Tommy hold onto their places and will Mellon be dropped or suspended?
Its all very quiet of late. Just trying to think when did we won Ulster before 2003 and who did we beat?
2001 Fuzzman, beating Cavan by 1-13 to 1-11.
No news is good news I'd say, regarding the county scene at the minute, and I'd like to see the 2 lads holding their places ;)
Fuzzman, in 2003 we started by taking 2 games to see off Derry, eventually beating them off the park in the pissing rain in Casement on a Saturday afternoon.
Then fairly much stumbled through a semi-final against Antrim back in Casement (Ger Cavlan starring in midfield) before the classic final and stroll of a replay against Down
Hi Norf Got that PM there now alright. Never check them!! Cheers for that. ;)
never worry Fear on Srath Ban think I should be ok with Norf's and Fuzz's directions. Cheers anyway.
Oh I remember 2003 very well and was thinking after the Fermanagh match isn't it funny how many teams who go on to win the AI have poor 1st and 2nd round matches.
How many times have you left a ground after round 1 hearing some aul whinger saying
"Ach it dennae matter who won that as neiler will go muuch farther anyway"
Even back in 1986 when we scraped past Derry in Omagh 1st round I heard that said. I was only 13 mind.
I've a feelin this Donegal v Tyrone game is gonna be a cracker. We feel as if we owe them for the league defeat and losing 2 years ago and they feel they owe us as we stole the Mckenna cup off them again.
Any word yet on whether this will be pay at the gate? Its not often Donegal supporters outnumber Tyrone but they could well do here. That defeat by Donegal in the league could be a blessing in disguise coming into this match. I remember watching McIvor clap and pat each Donegal player in the back as they left the field at half time to show what it meant, I thought at the time that the little show could come back to haunt him later in the year. Donegal might not have been great against Armagh but in 03' after Tyrone won the league they werent impressive in the 1st round but improved as the year went on - Donegal are likely to improve. Tyrone need to rediscover there workrate and scoring ability of 2 years ago. In a way this is the 1st big championship game since the 05' final that Tyrone have had. Every other game theyve been hot favourites and have struggled to get up for. Lets hope they can produce a winning performance, cause I dont think we'll go anywhere via the back dor.
Definitely need more scoring power up front, that's for sure.
The players that seem to consistently get the nod are not getting it done on the scoreboard
and you can include big names like McGinley, Dooher, Mellon, Mulligan and O'Neill to that mix.
Its all too easy to be down on the 2nd string when the big boys are hardly instilling fear in many back lines.
10 or 12 points in a game isn't going to get it done IMO.
How fit is wee Pete :P
Dont think Donegal have the players, they have the manager, but tyrone to have two much class.
Quote from: marty88 on June 03, 2007, 12:55:19 AM
Dont think Donegal have the players, they have the manager, but tyrone to have two much class.
Donegal have both the players and the class. We were poor against Armagh, because the players had the stigma (monkey on the back) of defeats against Armagh over the last 8 years. Job done, now Tyrone, the Donegal side you will see against Tyrone will be the same, but be playing a much higher standard of football.
Dún Na nGall Abú
Quote from: marty88 on June 03, 2007, 12:55:19 AM
Dont think Donegal have the players, they have the manager, but tyrone to have two much class.
Maybe, they would need to start showing it :-\
Any injuries from today's games ?
marty 88 (eightyeight) reckons tyrone have two (2) much class.Wonder if either will have three (3) much class for the later episodes this summer?
Any word on injuries - any word on Niall Gormley ? Did he get a jaw broken in match at the weekend ?
See tyrone thread Orangeman and answer the grilling, talk now or stop criticising Francie Mooney.
Go and stir shite in your own club - are you Francie yourself ? If not you must be a brother, cousin, colleague or good friend !
yeah its all about me.
If you're from Derry, take your case up with Derry County Board - in fact, go one further, take a place on the County Board or hearings committee - or if you want to go even further, thrw out the whole damn lot and then you can start making up your own rules and regulations. Wouldn't that be nice and handy ?
Tyrone boosted for Donegal clash
Mickey Harte says Tyrone could be back to almost full strength for the Ulster semi-final against Donegal on 17 June.
Stephen O'Neill and Joe McMahon missed the narrow win over Fermanagh, while Owen Mulligan was a late substitute.
But O'Neill and Mulligan have recovered from hamstring injuries and McMahon's shoulder problem has cleared up.
"We should have everybody available, with the exception of Brian McGuigan and Mickey McGee, who are long-term injuries," said manager Harte.
McGuigan requires further surgery on a serious eye injury, while McGee is also facing an operation to repair a damaged shoulder.
While the Red Hand casualty list is looking much less debilitating, the preparations are facing disruption with McMahon's absence from training. He is spending the week in France as part of a university course.
There are further worries over possible suspensions.
Gerard Cavlan and Ryan Mellon were both sent off on straight red cards in recent club games, but are hoping that their bans will not exceed four weeks, allowing them to fulfil their county commitments.
Sourced BBCi: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6718705.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6718705.stm)
I guess Paddy Heaney will have the knives sharpened for tomorrows column.............
No doubt he will advocate that Cavlan's dog fighting misdemeanour should be tagged onto the red card offence and a 4 year jail term would be the only appopratate measure.
Perhaps he should have hit the ref and got off............................
Any definite word on young Gormley ? Hopefully it's not as bad as people are saying -
More bad news - Niall Gormley broken jaw - Tommy Mc Guigan - broken wrist - out for 6 weeks -
If this word is true then 2 certain starters against Donegal are gone. Thats very disappointing. O Neill, Mulligan and Cavlan now need to step back up to the plate. I must admit i liked Gormley, and we could do with an out and out nippy corner forward. That door is now closed. It makes us that little bit more predictable. Who are the other corner forwards in the Tyrone panel?
Quote from: orangeman on June 04, 2007, 03:52:50 PM
More bad news - Niall Gormley broken jaw - Tommy Mc Guigan - broken wrist - out for 6 weeks -
Where you getting all this news from?
Maybe it's posted elsewhere but has a venue and throw-in time been announced yet for teh game?
According to RTÉ.ie, RTÉ's is covering the game live. Throw-in at 2.15pm. No venue is confirmed yet, but I'd be surprised if it isn't Clones.
The injury jinx has struck again, Gormley is supposed to have broke his jaw in two places and could be out for two months, maybe even needs surgery, Tommy McGuigan won't be out for as long but has broken a bone in his hand and faces probably a month out
Time to dung out the boots lads. We could all be in for a game here. I'm marking Sweeney.
I'm an outsider but can I play anyway, want a crack at Ciaran Bonner
Right we're all in we just have to stay injury free..........OK no club football for the next two weeks ::) :-\
The injury jinx has hit again. Though if we get no more at the minute its a lot better than we had a few weeks ago or at any time last year. A lot of our forward options though have gone which is disappointing. The two McGuigans, Gormley and Penrose are so far out. I think we can narrow the starting forwards down to 8 for next week - namely Dooher,Mellon,Cavlan,Cavanagh Jnr,O'Neill,Mulligan,McGinley and Mulgrew. The 3 most likely forward lines imo are as follows:
Dooher
Mulligan
Mellon
O'Neill
Cavanagh Jnr
McGinley
or
Dooher
Mulgrew
Cavanagh Jnr
O'Neil
Mulligan
McGinley
or
Dooher
Cavlan
Cavanagh Jnr
O'Neill
Mulligan
McGinley
The last one would be my preffed one with Mellon,Mulgrew and McCullugh to provide decent options. However Im not convinced if Cavlan has close to 70 minutes in him so he could be a great impact sub to have. Aidan McCarron may not also be that far of a run out. Mellon and McCullugh's places are definately in trouble. It'll be interesting to here next weeks team.
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 04, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
I'm an outsider but can I play anyway, want a crack at Ciaran Bonner
You'd want to get that obsession seen to!
Are you a mate or a relation of Eamon Maguire?
Just a bitter fan! But that's sport, sure the half of Tyrone would still strangle Paddy Russell if they could get a hold of him after '95, we've all got our hates, especially the less successful among us :-\
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 04, 2007, 09:49:57 PM
The injury jinx has hit again. Though if we get no more at the minute its a lot better than we had a few weeks ago or at any time last year. A lot of our forward options though have gone which is disappointing. The two McGuigans, Gormley and Penrose are so far out. I think we can narrow the starting forwards down to 8 for next week - namely Dooher,Mellon,Cavlan,Cavanagh Jnr,O'Neill,Mulligan,McGinley and Mulgrew. The 3 most likely forward lines imo are as follows:
Dooher
Mulligan
Mellon
O'Neill
Cavanagh Jnr
McGinley
or
Dooher
Mulgrew
Cavanagh Jnr
O'Neil
Mulligan
McGinley
or
Dooher
Cavlan
Cavanagh Jnr
O'Neill
Mulligan
McGinley
The last one would be my preffed one with Mellon,Mulgrew and McCullugh to provide decent options. However Im not convinced if Cavlan has close to 70 minutes in him so he could be a great impact sub to have. Aidan McCarron may not also be that far of a run out. Mellon and McCullugh's places are definately in trouble. It'll be interesting to here next weeks team.
Paul Rouse could be an option here at FF perhaps, Ciarán Donaghy caused Donegal all sorts of problems in the NFL game until he went off. Justin Mc Mahon might be worth a thought at wing half forward too.
just heard this game might not be on TV afterall and that they might be showing the Dub meath replay instead? Any one else hear anything. Am in Cypus that weekend and was looking forward to finding a nice Irish bar to watch the game!!
Thats not what I heard this morning on 98fm Dublin station.
They said the Dublin v Meath replay is unlikely to be on TV as RTE have already commited themselves to the Tyrone match and Munster hurling game.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/features/sundaygame.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/features/sundaygame.html)
17 JUNE
Bank of Ireland Ulster Senior Football Championship
Fermanagh/Tyrone v Donegal/Armagh 2.15pm
Guinness Munster Senior Hurling Championship
Clare/Cork v Waterford 4.00pm
From today's Irish Times:
One of the most high-profile games of the 2007 GAA championship will not be televised live on RTÉ due to a scheduling conflict caused by the Dublin v Meath replay on Sunday week (June 17th). That same day, Donegal play Tyrone in the Ulster football semi-final while Cork meet Waterford in the Munster hurling semi-final.
These matches are due to be televised live from Clones and Thurles, but the allure of broadcasting the Croke Park replay may see one of these fixtures - most likely Tyrone v Donegal - dropped to a highlights package on the Sunday Game. That match will be televised live on BBC Northern Ireland anyway.
However, another problem that arises from screening Dublin v Meath (Part II) is the similar throw-in time to the hurling at Semple Stadium - 4.10pm and 4pm.
From a logistical vantage, switching the replay to Saturday week (June 16th) seemed feasible, but that would spark significant outcry in Meath as their suspended forward Brian Farrell would be unavailable for selection. His four-week ban ends at midnight on that Saturday night.
The Croke Park surface was supposed to receive a three-week break to allow reseeding and growth, but that has been already been reduced to a fortnight. RTÉ Sport will announce a decision on their schedule this afternoon.
And the latest from RTE:
RTÉ may stream Dublin -v- Meath replay
Tuesday, 5 June 2007 11:27
It now looks certain that the Dublin v Meath Leinster Championship replay will not be shown live on RTÉ Television on Sunday week.
RTÉ has already pencilled in two high profile matches for live coverage that day. Donegal will play Tyrone at 2.15pm followed by the Munster hurling championship meeting of Waterford and Cork.
The Dublin v Meath game is a huge box office attraction and RTE may stream the game live on the web and show full deferred coverage after the second live match.
Proper order that they should show Clones game. However why don't they play Dublin v Meath at 5:30, even to north Meath it is not a very long journey home and it won't be dark until 10:30pm.
What about a game under lights on the saturday?
Meath wouldn't be happy with that as Farrell's suspension isn't up til 12 midnight.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2007, 12:05:54 PM
Proper order that they should show Clones game. However why don't they play Dublin v Meath at 5:30, even to north Meath it is not a very long journey home and it won't be dark until 10:30pm.
Sounds far to sensible an idea!
From RTE GAA SPORT
Mellon cleared for inter-county games
Tuesday, 5 June 2007 12:46
Tyrone attacker Ryan Mellon has been cleared to play in the Ulster SFC semi-final against Donegal on Sunday week.
Mellon has been handed a four week suspension following his straight red card dismissal in a club game 10 days ago.
But the ban is restricted to club football, and does not apply to the inter-county game.
He was sent off in the second half of Moy's Tyrone SFC defeat to Kildress.
Gerard Cavlan also received a straight red card while playing in the SFC for Dungannon against Killyclogher last Sunday.
His case is to be dealt with by the county's disciplinary committee this week.
Any word on Niall Gormley ? How long will he be out for ? It's a shame we're losing so many players through injury - is it time to go like the rugby where they can only be available to the clubs in the championship ?
Anyone see the article in todays Tyrone Times about referees.
Quote from: orangeman on June 05, 2007, 01:49:58 PM
Any word on Niall Gormley ? How long will he be out for ? It's a shame we're losing so many players through injury - is it time to go like the rugby where they can only be available to the clubs in the championship ?
Six to eight weeks out is the norm with a broken jaw, damn!
What was the article say in the Times today about referees ?
Dont think Rouse is an option for the Donegal game. Looked decent enough in the McKenna Cup but dont think he's showed up that well in trainig since and have heard little about his club form.
Is this it?
QuoteBy Kevin Hughes
Let's get it right. Kildress-Moy was not the dirtiest match ever played. Nobody said it was. Yet you'd be forgiven for thinking we had made such a claim, if you were to judge by the reaction of a small minority of people who have foolishly taken umbrage at our match report.
One girl who phoned me to complain even said we painted the Kildress players as animals! Now what planet is she living on? There was no reference to any behaviour which could justify such a comment. Mind you, she went to pains to try to suggest she was a neutral observer at the match by telling me she lived in Cookstown. She didn't say she was married to a Kildress player.
A few other complainants declined to speak to me when offered the chance by our receptionist. I'd have been quite happy to debate the issue. Obviously they didn't feel their arguments were very strong.
Our report was an honest and frank account of what the author witnessed and his name was on the story. That's our policy, to name the writer. We don't hide behind the cloak of anonymity and our reporters have to live with the consequences of their words and any opinions that may be expressed in their stories. The people who ring in often do hide.
So what did we say that was so offensive to Kildress folk? Here are some quotes:
'The referee... failed to take appropriate action for some of the terrible tackles and over-physical bouts from both teams.'
'The administrators in the county should take appropriate action against all guilty parties, maybe even some officials.'
'When a Kildress defender appeared to kick out at Cavanagh as he lay on the ground awaiting treatment, there was no action taken. None was taken either when a Moy player hit back at the alleged perpetrator - again seemingly in full view of the officials.'
I don't see any bias whatever in any of these comments.
But I've been given some quotes from views on an internet discussion forum - and they should make interesting reading for the young lady caller. Here's one: 'As a neutral at the game, I felt the referee was an absolute disgrace. Kildress are by far the most dirty team in Tyrone. Every time Sean and Colm Cavanagh got the ball, they were pulled, kicked and rugby-tackled. Sean was kicked in the head as he lay on the ground. The behaviour of the Kildess subs was disgusting at the end. They taunted and goaded the Cavanagh brothers.'
Now there were worse remarks made than those above. Some of the language used makes them unsuitable for publishing in a family newspaper. There were quotes made in response by some who were presumably Kildress folk and they, too, were in what one might described as 'working man's language'.
The editor of this newspaper saw the game and, holding
an unbiased view also, he had no problems with the content.
The girl who rang took the trouble to quote Colm Cavanagh's comment on the match, 'that it was always going to be a tough game and fair play to Kildress'. But she didn't mention the comment of ex-GAC chairman Peter Kennedy who said refereeing decision affected the outcome.
And, if she and other Kildress supporters take the trouble - as they should for their own peace of mind - to again read the report carefully and accurately, that was the main thrust.
It didn't lambast Kildress alon.e It equally pointed the finger of guilt at Moy players as well for the shenanigans. It stated that Ryan Mellon deserved to be sent off. It made the fair point that others should have walked also.
From the opening paragraph, the main thread was that refereeing was the big problem and would be what the game is remembered for. Read it again!
I wonder what internet discussion forum he is on about
Gabriel how do you access the TT online?
Secondly the 13 day rule to release senior players from Club football...does the same apply for minor players?
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 05, 2007, 11:05:15 PM
Gabriel how do you access the TT online?
Secondly the 13 day rule to release senior players from Club football...does the same apply for minor players?
Here you go Norf:
http://www.tyronetimes.co.uk/
Anyone at the Tyrone county board meeting onTuesday night , if so was the information given on Gerald Calvins suspension , or will the public have to wait on some prominant journalist to release this juicy information if the suspension news was given .
Would you rather see Cavlan or Mulgrew on the turf on Sunday week?. It's a tough one. McGuigan junior was a cert starter until his wrist injury. As each bottle of Stella goes down, I'd sway towards Mulgrew, even though I've been critical of him in the past. This type of game could catapult him into the star status Micky Harte obviously believes he has. I was quite pessimistic about the game yesterday, but when I'm on the bottles of wife beater, I've got visions of the hoover's acceptance speech in mid September. We beat Donegal and there is an Anglo Celt for the taking and football well into the summer to look forward to. Plenty of time to get McMahon and Mulligan on the Atkins diet. Plenty of time to get a bit of confidence into O'Neill and a regular 1-15 for the heat of battle in HQ. Flip side of the coin is the back door and early exit. I'll think about that tomorrow.
Apparently Michael Hegarty and Ciaran Bonner are doubts for Donegal, Gerard Cavlan and Stephen O'Neill doubts for Tyrone.
Ciaran Bonner apparently has had his tonsils out, while Michael Hegarty has had a "minor knee operation", whatever that was. Both Tyrone boys apparently have knee problems.
I'd say Hegarty's place is seriously under threat after the last day anyway. Bonner would be a big loss though. Anyone know what the recovery period for tonsillectomies is? I can't imagine that an Ulster semi-final against the neighbours would aid in the healing process!
Irish News reported this morning that neither Stevie O'Neill or Ger Cavlan trained this week due to knee injuries, both doubtful.
They also report that Penrose and Mulgrew have recovered and will both be available for selection after recovering from the injuries that kept them out of the 1st round.
Yeah I read that on Aertel last night that new injuries worries for Tyrone with O'Neill having tendonitis on knee and Gerard Cavlan also doubtful with a knee injury and neither trained.
Are these two the most injury proned players in the county?
Do they come back to soon before injuries heal or are they just really unlucky.
I hope Sunday week is a scorcher of a day?
Anyone know i anyone runs a bus travelling to the match from Dublin?
None of us could be arsed driving as fancy a big day out. Hope its a scorching Clones.
Think I'd prefer to see young Mulgrew get his chance though have heard he hasn't been that great in Cookstown games of late.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 08, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
Anyone know i anyone runs a bus travelling to the match from Dublin?
None of us could be arsed driving as fancy a big day out. Hope its a scorching Clones.
You could enquire of this crowd Fuzzman:
www.tad.ie (Tyrone Association in Dublin)
Is it just me OR...Tyrone when trained by Paddy Tally did not have half the amount of injuries our guys are picking up now. I think it boils down to the training and the type of training they are going through. Something is not right!!! Fair enough...Penrose leg break with club...McGuigans injured on club duty...BUT look at O'Neills hamstring...twice on county duty....Mulligan aswell. I think theres a connection there somewhere!
Quote from: Muzz on June 08, 2007, 10:52:52 AM
Is it just me OR...Tyrone when trained by Paddy Tally did not have half the amount of injuries our guys are picking up now. I think it boils down to the training and the type of training they are going through. Something is not right!!! Fair enough...Penrose leg break with club...McGuigans injured on club duty...BUT look at O'Neills hamstring...twice on county duty....Mulligan aswell. I think theres a connection there somewhere!
Or maybe it's just the time involved since then, i.e., those lads have aged somewhat, and perhaps all the underage success has had a heavy price?
What are the options for free takers? If O'Neill is fit he can take them from the right but what about a right footer free taker? Cavanagh, Cavlan & Mulligan have all been tried and not really been consistent. Is Cathal McCarron still on the panel? and if so what are his chances of getting a run out now in the absence of Gormley at CF?
QuoteBUT look at O'Neills hamstring...twice on county duty....Mulligan aswell
An oul fella once told me that in his day nobody had hamstring problems. He reckoned it was because they all rode bikes!
heard o neill and cavanagh didnt train last night due to tendionitous
A few weeks out at best folks (http://www.noah-health.org/en/bjm/knee/conditions/tendknee.html)...
Patellar tendinitis
Treatment
Treatment of patellar tendinitis is a long process, no matter what type of treatment you choose. Recovery can take a few weeks and up to a year for people who undergo surgery. Most people with patellar tendinitis find pain relief and improvement using conservative treatment — meaning treatments other than surgery. A small number of people who have persistent signs and symptoms may benefit from patellar tendinitis surgery.
Conservative treatment
The conservative approach to treating patellar tendinitis aims to reduce the strain on your tendon and then gradually build up the tendon's strength. Your doctor may use several techniques to accomplish this, including:
* Rest. Rest doesn't mean giving up all physical activity, but avoid running and jumping. Your doctor can suggest other ways of staying active without stressing your damaged patellar tendon. It's especially important to avoid any activity that gives you pain.
* Adjusting your body mechanics. A physical therapist can help you learn to better distribute the force you exert during physical activity. For instance, an athlete who jumps frequently might learn proper jump take-off and landing techniques.
* Stretching your muscles. Inflexible muscles, especially inflexible thigh muscles (quadriceps), contribute to the strain on your patellar tendon.
* Strengthening your tendon. A physical therapist may recommend specific exercises to strengthen your patellar tendon. Exercises can also help strengthen your quadriceps.
* Patellar tendon strap. A strap that applies pressure to your patellar tendon can help to distribute force away from the tendon itself and direct it through the strap instead. This may help relieve pain.
* Massage. Massaging the patellar tendon, thigh muscles and calf muscles may help encourage tendon healing.
If you've recently developed patellar tendinitis, you can expect several weeks of conservative therapy before you'll be able to fully resume physical activity, including jumping. If you've re-injured your patellar tendon, the time for healing may be even longer.
Ahhhh Sure don't I have it myself!
For nearly 2 years now!!! - Cannot clear it up!
Waiting for an op now till whip the wee bit of bad tendon out!
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on June 08, 2007, 02:15:01 PM
Ahhhh Sure don't I have it myself!
For nearly 2 years now!!! - Cannot clear it up!
Waiting for an op now till whip the wee bit of bad tendon out!
Good luck with that GDS. Did you aggravate the injury in the first instance by over exertion too soon?
Cheers!
Was playing astroturf soccer & indoor soccer about 3 days a week, for over a year. One day I noticed pain & went into nets...never been right since.
Pyhsio treated it for about 8/10 sessions (once a week) then told me to try it again...still no joy!
So I'm down to my final option...under the knife! :'(
Cavlan cleared, from the Irish Times:
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Elsewhere Gerard Cavlan has been cleared to play against Donegal in the Ulster football semi-final tomorrow week. Cavlan received a straight red card while playing for Dungannon against Killyclogher last Sunday. He has had a four-week suspension imposed, but the ban is restricted to club football, and will not interfere with his county commitments.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on June 08, 2007, 02:52:17 PM
Cheers!
Was playing astroturf soccer & indoor soccer about 3 days a week, for over a year. One day I noticed pain & went into nets...never been right since.
Pyhsio treated it for about 8/10 sessions (once a week) then told me to try it again...still no joy!
So I'm down to my final option...under the knife! :'(
T'is a b*stard indeed, did my elbow (playing, or attempting to play, tennis, strangely ;)), and it took a good 10 months for it to clear up at all.
Edit: Just occurred to me GDS, that I used a cream in the end, and that coincided with a
very significant improvement in the tendinitis, so it
may have been primarily responsible for that. It might be worth your while to try it out before you finally succumb to the scalpel, here's the link, and it costs about £14.00 to have it sent from the US :
http://www.ctcream.com/index.htm?gclid=CN37vrKjz4wCFR1UZwodHRkzMg
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 08, 2007, 12:05:41 PM
QuoteBUT look at O'Neills hamstring...twice on county duty....Mulligan aswell
An oul fella once told me that in his day nobody had hamstring problems. He reckoned it was because they all rode bikes!
Probably true. Certainly the increase in occurence of hamstring problems concided with advent of cars and also less physical work such as farming. I suffered quite a bit with hamstring problems and took up cycling - helped a lot.
Gerald Calvins suspension was released to those present at Tuesday nights county board meeting , good work by a leading journalist to have in for Sat newspapers .
Is it just me or have the Donegal supporters gone very quiet on this thread. You'd think after stuffing Tyrone earlier in the year and the fact that they look set to repeat the result that there'd be a bit more banter out of them. With O'Neill and Cavlan now serious doubts I dont see how the bookies can have Tyrone as favourites. What the hell are we going to do with are forward line with all these injuries? Will RRHF be able to keep away from the board in the run up to such an important championship game? Lot of questions not very many answers at this stage.
Is Cavlan not now free to play on Sunday?
He's free to play but didnt train all week or yesterday. Id say at that rate the best we could hope for would be 15-20 mins in the 2nd half from him. It doesnt look like the injuries are going to end with our forwards most at risk for some reason.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 10, 2007, 11:01:19 PM
Is it just me or have the Donegal supporters gone very quiet on this thread. You'd think after stuffing Tyrone earlier in the year and the fact that they look set to repeat the result that there'd be a bit more banter out of them. With O'Neill and Cavlan now serious doubts I dont see how the bookies can have Tyrone as favourites. What the hell are we going to do with are forward line with all these injuries? Will RRHF be able to keep away from the board in the run up to such an important championship game? Lot of questions not very many answers at this stage.
Your lads stuffed us in the McKenna Cup two weeks before we stuffed you, so I don't think either match means very much in relation to this coming fixture.
Only an idiot would write off Tyrone. I'm not sure how this is going to turn out, especially as we weren't too hot the last day against Armagh. The only thing we could take out of that match was that we progressed, and we somehow hung in there during that 15 minute period in the second half when Armagh battered us. We'll need a big game from Devenney, but can he cope with the verbal and physical abuse that McMenamin will give him? The half-forwards and midfield are going to have to do far better this time or we'll be hammered by Cavanagh and the Tyrone half-backs. Paddy Campbell had a good game the last day, but can he cope with O'Neill, assuming he makes it? I'd fancy Lacey to be well capable of marking Mulligan, but he's had the odd shaky moment this year too.
I don't know what the odds are, but I'd have Tryone down as favourites, given that they've been there and done that.
The injury saga of the last 12 months is starting to irritate now. McGuigan, O'Neill, Cavlan, Gormley, Tommy, Penrose....there are 6 forwards capable of starting any game. It's sheer bad luck and nothing else. We don't seem to be suffering in defence or midfield.
Quote from: J70 on June 10, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
Your lads stuffed us in the McKenna Cup two weeks before we stuffed you, so I don't think either match means very much in relation to this coming fixture.
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If ever there was a result that we didn't deserve, then that game was it. We were cleaned out, completely, in the first half, where Donegal should have been out of sight at the break, but for some woefully bad shooting. When the shooting returns remained stubbornly atrocious after the break, Donegal heads dropped and we finally began to win in the possession stakes. In the NFL the shooting boots were back on for Donegal, and we were equally poor in winning the ball.
We need to win, at least, 40 - 45% of the midfield ball to have any chance, and Gallagher and Cassidy won't be easily bossed. We need to improve considerably on our best performances this year, i.e., versus Dublin, Kerry, and Fermanagh. So in that light, I think it perfectly reasonable that Donegal, the current NFL Champions, go into this game as favourites.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2007, 11:36:15 PM
So in that light, I think it perfectly reasonable that Donegal, the current NFL Champions, go into this game as favourites.
;D
Odds courtesy of Mr Power:
14:00 Tyrone v Donegal 10 - 11 6 - 1 6 - 5
Dont think Cavlan will be playing at the weekend, seen him at a local public house at the weekend, must not have any hope of being fit for Sunday
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 11, 2007, 06:42:48 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 10, 2007, 11:36:15 PM
So in that light, I think it perfectly reasonable that Donegal, the current NFL Champions, go into this game as favourites.
;D
Odds courtesy of Mr Power:
14:00 Tyrone v Donegal 10 - 11 6 - 1 6 - 5
That's it then, Donegal needn't turn up, what with such a ringing and clear-cut endorsement as that from Paddy Power! ;)
among the bushes - thats a little toutish dont ya think.
I made the comment from the perspective that he must be out of the reckoning for the match or else he wouldnt have been out!!
If we accept the reports, whispers and half truths and take it that Cavo and SON are out for Sunday then where does that leave the famed conveyor belt................................?
McCullogh - Mugsy - Enda
Mellon - Mulgrew - Dooher
Not sure if Mulgrew will be ready for this level of football just yet, especially in a key position. Unfortunatley I can see MH putting Mugsy in there which leaves us with no one further up to take scores (McCullogh wil be bullied out of it I fear).
TBH I can see us getting a real hammering on Sunday.
To have any chance we need a BIG game from the defence. If we could limit DOnegal scoring then we need somewhere along the following lines:
Ricey 0-1
Model 0-1
Nephew 0-1
Hoover 0-1
Sean 1-1
Mulgrew 0-2
Enda 0-1
Mellon 0-2
McCullogh 0-2 (2F)
Mugsy 0-3
You could probably throw Penrose, Hub, and the two Mc Mahons into that mix too (Model??), some creative thinking required from MH.
Penrose might and I stress MIGHT get a point if selected. Now you remind me he's available though I have a very very bad feeling he will get the CHF call.
Hub - eternal no hoper eurovision entry most days = nil points
Model = Jordan
Would like to see Justy in at HF instead of Mellon perhaps, or maybe wee Cavanagh further out the field.
Joe, if fit, MUST start at FB. MGginley will be destroyed.
General agreement there TM, Justin could cause problems at LHF, and correct about Joe I'd say, i.e., starting at FB.
Would be interested to see how a FF line of Colm Cav - Mugsy - Enda would fare out next Sunday. Could see them giving value for money in the physical stakes anyhow. Maybe even Rouse?
Cavanagh and Hub will be a big factor in MF. Sean can't do everything himslef and will have his hands full on Sunday. I would think though that Cassidey is the sort of player suited to Hub. Both look under endowed with pace and well up for knocking seven shades outta each other.
Dooher will be a key man - he needs to start at his best to hoover up al the breaking ball that Tyrone have been losing in more recent games.
where we will be in trouble is if Donegal listen to McIvor and stick to the new game plan of early ball into the FF line. We have been consistently beaten for speed this year, Ricey in particular (he would need to up his game big time, move away from the pantomime villain nonsense and back to playing football like we know he can).
Heard at the weekend PJ Quinn from moortown has been drafted into the senior panel. Very fast and classy player plays corner/half back for moorown.
It will probably be too early to throw him in at the weekend but he will definitely feature in the the Tyrone rearguard over the next few years in my opinion.
Have there been any other call ups apart from PJ Quinn ?
Were you at the Donaghmore game, Loughshore lad ? Disappointing result -
Was at the Donaghmore game orangeman. Disappointing result alright. They played well in the first half but collapsed after half time. The fitness seemd to leave them in the second half. Big John had a great game I thought for the second match in a row. He seems to be coming back into form. Serious work needed to try and rebuild a team.
Have to agree with you there - team needs rebuilt around boys who want to play for the jersey and not for themselves which looks like the case at the minute - I don't fancy the task all the same - change always meets resistance. Cookstown is a big game on Firday night - need something out of that one.
Ardboe will not be far away this year lads you mark my words.
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Ardboe will not be far away this year lads you mark my words.
Far away from what. They are out of the championship and have no chance of winning the league!!
Who is going to be full back line for Sunday ?
Ricey, D. Mc Caul and Carlin ?
Jordan, Rock and Mc Mahon ?
Not a chance MH will drop Nephew (and rightly so) he has been Mr Reliable for most of the year.
FB is up for grabs I think although I have a bad feeling MH's McGinley blinkers will be firmly on.....
Mickey Harte is never an easy man to read but Ill try anyway. Think the team may look something like this:
John Devine
Ryan McMenamin
Cormac McGinley
Dermot Carlin
Davy Harte
Conor Gormley
Justin McMahon
Sean Cavanagh
Kevin Hughes
Brian Dooher
Raymie Mulgrew (or possibly Penrose - hope not)
Ryan Mellon
Eoin Mulligan
Colm Cavanagh
Enda McGinley
Not the worst team but would still have reservations about centre half forward and the general scoring potential of the forward line as a whole. From what I remember it was tried in the Derry game last year but one option to improve the forwards would be to move Sean Cavanagh to centre half forward. He could be replaced in the middle by one of the McMahons. Is Aidan McCarron fit and would he be worth a run out in the forwards? Lets hope Mulgrew finally delivers on his potential on the big stage. The full back line still worries and a fit Joe McMahon may be the best option at full back but is he fit? Also wouldnt mind seeing McCaul at corner or half back. Wouldnt be suprised if Harte assigns McMenamin to Deveney and if he struggles to be replaced by McCaul. Bring on Sunday, after an extremely quiet start to the championship its great to have a big game coming up.
Hate to say it, but feeling v confident about Sunday. A more or less full strength Donegal against an injury ravaged Tyrone, and coming off a poor show against Armagh there should be a response... and if not, the bench is strong.
I'd like to see the following line out
1 Durkan
2 N McGee
3 Campbell
4 Lacey
5 McConigley
6 Monaghan
7 Dunnion
8 n Gallagher
9 Kevin cassidy
10 Roper
11 Bonner
12 Kavanagh
13 Devenney
14 Sweeney
15 McFadden
Thoughts on that team?
I'd like to see us use Sweeney in the Canavan role of a few years ago... play the 1st half, and bring him back on with 10 mins to go for a lift.
If I was a Donegal man Id be extremely confident to. After Tyrone won the league in 03' I felt it took them a few games to get up to championship pace. Donegal will improve from the Armagh game. Personally I think Paddy Campbell is the weakest link on the Donegal team and must be exploited on Sunday if we are to have a chance. My worry would be that Colm Cavanagh might not be the player to do it (maybe Sean would). Possibly even a smaller player like McCullugh or Aidan McCarran could give him serious problems.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 11, 2007, 07:39:31 PM
Mickey Harte is never an easy man to read but Ill try anyway. Think the team may look something like this:
John Devine
Ryan McMenamin
Cormac McGinley
Dermot Carlin
Davy Harte
Conor Gormley
Justin McMahon
Sean Cavanagh
Kevin Hughes
Brian Dooher
Raymie Mulgrew (or possibly Penrose - hope not)
Ryan Mellon
Eoin Mulligan
Colm Cavanagh
Enda McGinley
Jordan for McMahon I'd imagine. I'd be happy with that team, given the injuries. McGinley can handle McFadden. I'd still not be confident we'll beat Donegal, but it's the best side we can put out. Tyrone would need to perform in a manner that they haven't even hinted at since Sept 2005. We'd need to restrict Donegal to 10-11 points - a bit like the Dublin NFL game. Can't see Tyrone cutting loose themselves with that forward line. Donegal will covert their frees. Will we?
On another note, could I ask someone to text me the team as soon as they get it on Thurs night as I'll not be at my usual station that night. I'll PM you my mobile.
Quote from: hardstation on June 11, 2007, 09:54:00 PM
The Tyrone defense really need to cut down on the number of frees that they give away. Something that happened far too often against Fermanagh was talking back to the referee. Any free given around midfield on Sunday must stay at midfield and not moved forward as Mc Fadden will put them over all day. Against Fermanagh, a lot of chances were missed. You can be sure that the same amount of chances will not be created on Sunday so they need to convert a very high percentage of the chances. The full forward line need to be counted. Mulligan has to perform. Hub needs to play better as against a very good Donegal midfield, Cavanagh will not be able to do it alone. Gallagher is one of the best ball winners in the game. Tyrone can't let him win the amount of kickouts that he has been winning this year. Hub would be a good man to break the ball off him and the half backs and half forwards need to swarm in around the pair and pick up the break ball. Last but by no means least, a fair bit of luck will be needed.
So....simple enough then....
Putting all the negatives aside we should win this match. We owe Donegal one and the players should be really fired up for a championship match for the first time since 05'. Hughes, Cavanagh, McGinley, Mellon and Dooher should win plenty of ball in the middle. Its a must that the free's improve and Mugsy must produce one of his big game performances. If O'Neill is fit to play a half he'll get a few scores. Cavanagh Jnr and McCullugh from the bench should also get a few scores. Arguably the two best performances by Tyrone this season were in the 2 biggest matches against Dublin and down in Kerry. It must also be remembered that although Donegal beat Tyrone easily in the league Tyrone are a different proposition now. On that Saturday night Kelvin Hughes and Peter Donnelly started midfield and got cleaned out, also Dooher was just coming back from a long lay off. Still think Donegal should be favourites.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 11, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
Putting all the negatives aside we should win this match. We owe Donegal one and the players should be really fired up for a championship match for the first time since 05'. Hughes, Cavanagh, McGinley, Mellon and Dooher should win plenty of ball in the middle. Its a must that the free's improve and Mugsy must produce one of his big game performances. If O'Neill is fit to play a half he'll get a few scores. Cavanagh Jnr and McCullugh from the bench should also get a few scores. Arguably the two best performances by Tyrone this season were in the 2 biggest matches against Dublin and down in Kerry. It must also be remembered that although Donegal beat Tyrone easily in the league Tyrone are a different proposition now. On that Saturday night Kelvin Hughes and Peter Donnelly started midfield and got cleaned out, also Dooher was just coming back from a long lay off. Still think Donegal should be favourites.
Your name def suits your post ;)
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 11, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
. It must also be remembered that although Donegal beat Tyrone easily in the league Tyrone are a different proposition now.
Not convinced by that TD, ok Hughes (Kevin) and Cavanagh is a far better midfield than Kelvin and P.Donnelly but other than that Im not convinced we're too much further on than we were at the time of the Donegal league match. The FB issue still hasnt been resolved and with McGuigan still out for the forseeable future and SON also likely missing, plus Mugsy not at his best for a while, we're not half the team we were in 2005. To make matters worse the understudies who came in and impressed in the forward line against Fermanagh are also now injured. I just cant see Tyrone doing it on Sunday Im afraid, nowhere near firing on all cylinders and Donegal are unlikely to be as poor as they were against Armagh.
We live in hope though, a big Tyrone performance is overdue.....
Quote from: aodhruadh on June 11, 2007, 08:02:20 PM
Hate to say it, but feeling v confident about Sunday. A more or less full strength Donegal against an injury ravaged Tyrone, and coming off a poor show against Armagh there should be a response... and if not, the bench is strong.
I'd like to see the following line out
1 Durkan
2 N McGee
3 Campbell
4 Lacey
5 McConigley
6 Monaghan
7 Dunnion
8 n Gallagher
9 Kevin cassidy
10 Roper
11 Bonner
12 Kavanagh
13 Devenney
14 Sweeney
15 McFadden
Thoughts on that team?
I'd like to see us use Sweeney in the Canavan role of a few years ago... play the 1st half, and bring him back on with 10 mins to go for a lift.
According to the Donegal News, Ciaran Bonner is "extremely doubtful" for Sunday, as is Michael Hegarty. In that case I'd say Christy Toye will get a reprieve but the team will otherwise line out as you've suggested, with Eddie playing centre-forward.
The Armagh result should have been the best possible for Donegal. If Armagh had won by 4 points (as they should have done) Donegal would have found it hard to get the show back on the road in the qualifiers. If Donegal had outclassed Armagh there would be plenty of big talk and it would be hard for McIvor to keep them on track. Now they are still in the UFC but still haven't really quite proved themselves. If Donegal don't win on Sunday the record for the "new improved" Donegal would be a flukey win against Armagh in a game they had at home, followed by a defeat. If Donegal beat Tyrone, fluke or not, they will probably win Ulster and the record will show that they beat Tyrone and Armagh, who dominated Ulster for most of decade. Donegal should be well up for this one, Tyrone not only have injuries but seem to have the psychological frame of mind that these injuries let them off the hook.
Yeah Bonner would be a big loss, especially as Toye has been off form for a while now.
This might sound rediculous but id consider Sean f.f alongside Colum in the corner in this game. I seriously think we need to target Paddy Campbell and Cavanagh snr could cause Mayhem... if we could get ball into him. If it fails he can soon be brought out.
And who would do all the work around the middle that Big Sean does?
McGinley, Mellon - these guys are midfielders operating in the forward line. Cavanagh would give more punch up there, it would cause disarray and put Donegal on the back foot from the start. Some say Hub become a passeger to Cavanagh, well its time for him to earn his spurs again and be the main man.
Quote from: rrhf on June 12, 2007, 09:42:15 AM
McGinley, Mellon - these guys are midfielders operating in the forward line. Cavanagh would give more punch up there, it would cause disarray and put Donegal on the back foot from the start. Some say Hub become a passeger to Cavanagh, well its time for him to earn his spurs again and be the main man.
They certainly cause a lot of damage when deployed there for Moy - But is Paddy Campbell being harshly judged here?? I thought he was a competant full back. He'd get his place in the Tyrone team in my opinion!
No matter who is in midfield for Tyrone on Sunday, they will be cleaned out by Neil Gallagher.
Gallagher is playing some stuff at the moment. I believe at best we'll get scraps on Sunday - so if we could try a couple of established scrappers to scrap. Stick Cavanagh on the edge of the square and bang everything that we do get down his throat. Midfield wins ball, Bang Cavanagh wins possession, Go half forwards go! Support arrives, score follows. Thats the way id do it.
I can see the logic of putting Cavanagh in full forward against what is percieved to be a potential weak link in the Donegal defence however I dont think this will work or happen. Cavanagh needs to be out the field running at the opposition and causing mayhem with his bursting through. There may be an opportunity to put him in full forward on Campbell and then let him come out with Campbell attempting to follow him but I cant see Brian McIvor allowing this to happen. He will be very aware that Cavanagh is now Tyrone's main man - if he struggles so do Tyrone. McIvor is a very positive manager and tends to concentrate mostly on getting his own team playing to their strengths but he is also very clued into stopping the opposition danger men. I have no doubt he will have some type of plan to limit the damage Cavanagh may cause - hopefully it doesnt work!!
Brian Mc Ivor was one of the best managers we ever had until he was dispensed with - he knows every Tyrone player inside out - he rates Paddy Campbell very highly and so do I - I don't perceive Paddy to be a weakness in the full back line - I think Tyrone have potential waek full back line particularly if Cormac Mc Ginley is selected ( no disrespect ) -
Surely Sean's big strength from an attacking perspective is his ability to carry the ball at speed around/through players, this is lost if you position him at the edge of the square. I recall him being moved to FF during the same fixture in 2004 (fairly sure) for about 20 mins and it was a complete waste of time as his loss to the middle of the park meant that there was no ball for him to claim at FF.
In the likely absence of a creative player at CHF, Sean's presence in the middle is vitially important as his running provides our main creative outlet at present. Consider him at no11 maybe but not FF and IMO opinion Sean at centrefeild is one of the few thinks that is right about the team at present, if it's not broke... ...
Quote from: uselessfootballer on June 12, 2007, 11:37:26 AM
Surely Sean's big strength from an attacking perspective is his ability to carry the ball at speed around/through players, this is lost if you position him at the edge of the square. I recall him being moved to FF during the same fixture in 2004 (fairly sure) for about 20 mins and it was a complete waste of time as his loss to the middle of the park meant that there was no ball for him to claim at FF.
In the likely absence of a creative player at CHF, Sean's presence in the middle is vitially important as his running provides our main creative outlet at present. Consider him at no11 maybe but not FF and IMO opinion Sean at centrefeild is one of the few thinks that is right about the team at present, if it's not broke... ...
Totally agree. His surging runs are a big strength for us, be that from midfield or the half-forward line. To have him at FF would be too easily negated by Mc Ivor, despite the suspicions about Paddy Campbell, who's a solid defender but can be caught for speed on the turn a little further out from the full-back line, and that's something that MH should be planning for.
Tyrone have been playing their own system for a few seasons with unprecedented success, Mickey is hardly likely to change that now by taking Sean Cavanagh out of midfield and start lobbing high balls onto him in the FF line. Not a good idea and not likely to happen I dont think. As a few posters have said Donegal's FB is probably less of a weak link than ours is anyway!
Is there any update on the injuries ?
Tommy Mc Guigan
Niall Gormley
Stephen O'Neill
Gerard Cavlan
Martin Penrose
etc
etc
Quote from: orangeman on June 12, 2007, 04:59:39 PM
Is there any update on the injuries ?
Tommy Mc Guigan
Niall Gormley
Stephen O'Neill
Gerard Cavlan
Martin Penrose
etc
etc
Tommy McGuigan - Out for two months
Niall Gormley - Out for two months
SoN - Haven't heard.
Gerard Cavlan - Injury free, but won't be match fit
Martin Penrose - Haven't heard
The 1st question has been answered- rrhf coulnt stay away ahead of the big game. Its going to be extremely interesting this weeks team selection. There's a lot of possibilities. I think O'Neill's injury is quite serious from the point of view that its long term but still believe we'll see him at some point on Sunday. We also need Cavlan to provide 15 minutes coming of the bench. I cant see Harte taking Cavanagh out of midfield but he'd certainly be dangerous at full forward. I already asked but does anyone know if Aidan McCarron is fit? He warmed up the last day so might not be to far away from a suprise run out.
Apparently Ciaran Bonner is looking like he might make it for us after all, although Michael Hegarty has little chance.
That would leave us in good shape, with the only lads who are missing being Hegarty and longer term injury victims like Leon Thompson who might not have started anyway.
One thing I'm very worried about is if Donegal try to run through the Tyrone half-back line like they did against Armagh. Tyrone are just as adept at the swarming defense as Armagh, so we'd definitely want to go with the earlier ball, particularly if we want to make proper use of Devenney, assuming he's on form on the day. Cassidy will have to have a good game, and some help, following Cavanagh as well.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 11, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
Putting all the negatives aside we should win this match.
Can't see where this conviction is coming from. In the last 16 months of football, who has Tyrone beaten of note? Dublin in the NFL in Feb comes closest to a side with serious designs.
Fair point O'Neill. However I just think Tyrone are due a decent performance and this could be it. I also feel that this is the 1st match since the all ireland final that the players will be really be up for. For the first time they really have something to prove. Also as I said earlier Tyrone's 2 best performances this season have been in the 2 biggest games with real signs of hunger against Dublin and Kerry. Also a much under strength Tyrone team beat a strong Donegal team in the McKenna final. As I said I think the team has a much greater balance to it with Cavanagh and Hughes at midfield than they did for the league game. The injury crisis though is very disheartening, although there has been much greater time this year to get players heads right which I dont think they were last year and I also think we've better options this year. Donegal will not be easily defeated though and I expect a big improvement even from the Armagh game. This really is make or break for Tyrones season. We'll go nowhere through the back door as there are 3 games in 3 weeks and are injuries wouldnt take it. Also I think the team are lacking a bit of confidence at the minute and a defeat would kill our season. So a must win game and as you rightly pointed out we'll need our best performance in 16 months - maybe Im viewing Tyrone to much on potential and not enough on recent performances.
McIvor is a cute wan alright - he'll have our number on Sunday
Can't see anything other than a Donegal victory on Sunday. Donegal are full strength whilst Tyrone simply have too many key players missing. Any Tyrone team news?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 12, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
McIvor is a cute wan alright - he'll have our number on Sunday
You are spot on there Gabriel, if memory serves me right you would have some experience of playing and training under him? He will fairly have the Donegal lads pumped up on Sunday?
On another note heard yesterday there is a possibility Tommy may be back in 3-4 weeks as opposed to 8 weeks as earlier reports indicated.
Thanks for the support tyrone Dreamer ;)
Id love to see a larger backs to the wall performance from the Tyrone support on Sunday. I believe its very much do or die and this is Tyrones most important game since September 2005. We need a big Crowd, we need to support that team, we need to feel the need to fulfill that raw want that was there pre 2003. Success has blunted us as well. Wheres our ambition? Tyrone support needs to turn up be loud and be proud. Too many cynics at the moment knocking Harte and the guys. 19,000 v Donegal in the national league, 13,000 V Fermanagh in the championship, we need to turn this around as supporters and give this team all we have. Lets see us all there on Sunday.
Quote from: loughshore lad on June 13, 2007, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 12, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
McIvor is a cute wan alright - he'll have our number on Sunday
You are spot on there Gabriel, if memory serves me right you would have some experience of playing and training under him? He will fairly have the Donegal lads pumped up on Sunday?
On another note heard yesterday there is a possibility Tommy may be back in 3-4 weeks as opposed to 8 weeks as earlier reports indicated.
Mc Ivor's a cute one indeed, but I wouldn't be too dismissive of MH's powers and prowess in that department too -- therein lies the particular intrigue of Sunday.
Good news about Tommy LL, had a suspicion that the time-off projections just might have been a little too pessimistic, fingers crossed.
What you mean about Tommy LL ? Is the injury not as bad as feared ?
Quote from: orangeman on June 13, 2007, 10:07:51 AM
What you mean about Tommy LL ? Is the injury not as bad as feared ?
He has a broken bone in the hand alright but apparently it will not need a pin and is not quite as bad as first thought.
Really looking forward to Sunday. I think we may get a cracker if both teams go out to go hell for leather at each other. Tyrone need a performance to show to the country they still have what it takes to compete with the top teams, Donegal need to produce in order to prove the days of running back to the hills after false dawns are over. Two exceptional and astute managers patrolling the side line and trying to out manouvre each other, hopefully we can shade it.
Better news about Tommy then - hope to see him in the orange and blue again soon -
Mc Ivor was a class act when he was Ardboe - it's a pity we didn't have him for a while longer - we had a good side back then - he was dispensed with and he proceeded to win All Ireland with Ballinderry shortly after that - bummer for us -
I've no doubt that Tyrone will have the hunger back in the bellies on Sunday. The problem is having the skill on the field to translate that hunger into scores. The outcome will very much depend on how Donegal perform and on the Tyrone defence.
Yep, this is it, the real deal (no disrespect to Fermanagh). No doubt the fire will be in the bellies but there must also be fleetness of foot and quickness of thought, i.e., supreme fitness. If those are there, we'll not be taken easily. Mc Ivor's challenge is in getting Donegal to forget that they've just won their first ever NFL title, and that they have silverware already for this year.
Midfield is absolutely crucial on Sunday. In the past we could lose midfield and still win games on limited chances. Dont think we can expect this to happen and need to come out on top on this sector. We have a decent chance with Dooher, Mellon, Gormley and possibly Justy McMahon offering plenty of support to Cavanagh and Hughes. Id leave McCullugh on the bench for Sunday as he could be a potential match winner coming on in the last 20 minutes.
Who is going to get the scores for Tyrone though?? In the absence of O' Neill, Mugsy (last 15 mins apart) and B.McGuigan against Fermanagh the likes of T.McGuigan and N.Gormley chipped in with 0-7 I think. Cavlan got a couple too. We're without them this time. Thats my big concern for Sunday, even if SON makes it he will hardly be match fit....Im struggling to see who will get the scores we'll need.
Something Tyrone have excelled at in recent years has been scoring enough points to defeat/compete against teams who'd scored 2-3 goals. Rem 1-17 to 4-8, 0-14 to 2-8. This time, though, it'd be great to see Tyrone lashing in a couple of three-pointers. I think the last time we won a game in this manner was v Derry in the Ulster semi 2001.
I heard Cavlan raked it last night at training - surely he will start Sunday ?
Quote from: orangeman on June 13, 2007, 11:32:17 PM
I heard Cavlan raked it last night at training - surely he will start Sunday ?
What we could
really do with on Sunday, would be a few successful long range efforts in the first quarter, à la Cavlan. That would settle things nicely for ourselves, and throw Donegal's defensive plan into a little bit of a tizz.
That's what we're capable of too. Cavlan, Cavanagh, Mellon and Dooher have all delivered from range when the goose was being prepared. However, Donegal's defence is packed with good hungry talent. Hopefully their half back line will continue to raid, leaving a wee bit of space for the likes of Ger to pick off players/points.
Here goes my attempt at team selection for St. Tiernach's on June 17th. I'm not 100% sure about the number 7 jersey. Jordan wasn't fit against the lakes men and wasn't great, yet his fitness will have improved and his experience and score taking could be valuable. I'll keep him in although Justy might get the nod. SON to play as the importance of this game demands his presence. I have no idea who's flying in training or who's definitely out, but I'd like to think my selection will be close. Mulgrew might start but if Cavlan's fit, I'd prefer him in the playmaker role. Harte always throws in a surprise. Who will it be?. Roll on tomorrow night.
Devine
Ricey
McGinley
Carlin
Harte
Block
Jordan
Sean
Hub
Hoover
Cavlan
Cav junior
Mugsy
SON
Enda
Subs likely to be used: McCaul, Joe McMahon, Justy, McCullogh, Mulgrew
Absolutely intrigued by this one. I think we might see a big performance from Tyrone for several reasons. I'd worry about who will get the scores though.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 14, 2007, 09:01:02 AM
Absolutely intrigued by this one. I think we might see a big performance from Tyrone for several reasons. I'd worry about who will get the scores though.
That's the big question all right, hoping that one or two step up to the plate, big time.
Just back from Prague to see I havent missed much news on the big game this weekend.
Havent been speaking to any of the local lads back home but by the sounds of all reports SON sounds like he's in for another season troubled with injuries.
I think we've a good chance in this game as Dooher and Co will have kicked some asses after the feeble Fermanagh performance and will telling loads of lads that it's time to shake off this lazy we don't need to try to hard any more mentaility.
I hear Mugsy is flying in Training as is Calvo so our forward division might not be as bad as first feared.
I reckon this could be our starting teams with a strong enough sub bench to come in.
First Choice 2nd Fiddle
Devine Mc'Connell
Ricey McCaul
McGinley Joey
Carlin McGee (inj)
Harte Gourley
Gormley Holmes
Jordan Paul Quinn or Boggs
Sean Justin or Heaven forbid Peter Donnelly
Hub Kelvin Hughes
Dooher T.McGuigan (inj)
Cavlan Brian McGuigan (inj)
Mulgrew Penrose or Colm Donnelly (Thought was poor in Dub game)
Mugsy Mellon or Gormley (inj)
Cavan Jnr SON (inj) or Paul Rouse
Enda McCullagh or McCarron
Think we'll need some sort of tactic to keep big Neil Gallagher from Cleaning up in Midfield. No doubt Hub will be given this task but hopefully he keeps his head and doesnt get silly yellow/red cards again
Anyone know anything about the referee, Meath man David Coldrick?
Even if Cavlan has recovered from injury cant see him starting. Doesnt look to have the legs for a full 70 mins any more but can still be a great sub to bring in early in the 2nd half.
Quote from: J70 on June 14, 2007, 06:06:34 PM
Anyone know anything about the referee, Meath man David Coldrick?
I'd rather say absolutely nothing here, save to say my fingers are firmly crossed, for both of us ;)
My feeble stab at tonight's teamsheet:
Devine
Ricey McGinley (J Mc Mahon if fit) Carlin (or D Mc Caul)
Harte Gormley Jordan
Kevin Hughes Sean Cavanagh
Dooher Cavlan (or Mulgrew) Justin Mc Mahon (or R Mellon)
Mullligan Colm Cavanagh Enda Mc Ginley
Tír Eoghain abú!
Similarly tentative prediction for Donegal...
Durcan, Neil McGee, Campbell, Lacey, McConigley, Monaghan, Dunnion, Gallagher, Cassidy, Toye, Bonner, Kavanagh, McFadden, Devenney, Roper
You might possibly see Adrian Sweeney in for Toye (or Ciaran Bonner if he's not fit). Kevin McMenamin is another slight possibility, but I doubt it. McIvor will start with a two-man full-forward line.
Tyrone Senior team to play Donegal in the Ulster Football Championship semifinal at Clones on Sunday 17th June at 2.15 pm.
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran), Ryan McMenamin (Dromore), Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher), Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Philip Jordan (Moy), Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil), Sean Cavanagh (Moy), Brian Dooher ((Clann na nGael) Capt.), Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown), Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Colm McCullagh (Dromore), Colm Cavanagh (Moy), Owen Mulligan (Cookstown).
Subs: Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart), Peter Donnelly (Coalisland), Ciaran Gourley (Rock), Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps), Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore), Aiden McCarron (Fintona), Cathal McCarron (Omagh), Damian McCaul (Donaghmore), Joe McMahon (Omagh), Justin McMahon (Omagh), Ryan Mellon (Moy), Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael), Martin Penrose (Aghyaran), PJ Quinn (Moortown), Paul Rouse (Brackaville).
Tyrone Minor team to play Armagh in the Ulster Football Championship semifinal at Clones on Sunday 17th June at 12.30 pm.
Michael O'Neill (Clonoe), Paul Martin (Fintona), Aidan Girvan (Rock), Christopher Foley (Dungannon), Cathal McCrory (Errigal Ciaran), Ronan McNabb (Dromore), Kevin Mossey (Gortin), Mark McKenna (Pomeroy), Colin Harkin (Tattyreagh), Paddy McNeice (Coalisland), Kyle Coney (Ardboe), Peter Hughes (Eskra), Paul McAleer (Carrickmore), Tiarnan O'Hagan (Coalisland), Conor O'Neill (Dromore)
Subs: Tim Harney (Glenelly), Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Cormac Arkinson (Eskra), James Carlin (Cappagh), Simon O'Neill (Cappagh), Ryan Pickering (Cookstown), Martin Rodgers (Beragh), Stephen Curran (Coalisland), Michael Gallagher (Omagh).
Really disappointing but not surprising that SON only makes the bench. So much for Cavlan flying in training, he hasnt even made the bench. Again the problem here is going to be getting the scores. Hopefully Tyrone can stay with Donegal then send in he likes of SON, Mellon and Joey to twist the knife....but I just cant see it.
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 14, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
Tyrone Senior team to play Donegal in the Ulster Football Championship semifinal at Clones on Sunday 17th June at 2.15 pm.
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran), Ryan McMenamin (Dromore), Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher), Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Philip Jordan (Moy), Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil), Sean Cavanagh (Moy), Brian Dooher ((Clann na nGael) Capt.), Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown), Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Colm McCullagh (Dromore), Colm Cavanagh (Moy), Owen Mulligan (Cookstown).
Subs: Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart), Peter Donnelly (Coalisland), Ciaran Gourley (Rock), Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps), Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore), Aiden McCarron (Fintona), Cathal McCarron (Omagh), Damian McCaul (Donaghmore), Joe McMahon (Omagh), Justin McMahon (Omagh), Ryan Mellon (Moy), Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael), Martin Penrose (Aghyaran), PJ Quinn (Moortown), Paul Rouse (Brackaville).
No Cavlan, at all?
Not a bad team. Suppose the big question has been who'l get the scores. Looks like we'll be relying on Mugsy and McCullagh. Its time for McCullagh to produce. We know he's capable. If Cavangh and Mulligan lay the ball of to him he'll take a score and is reliable enough for the left footed free's. We'll also be relying on Colm Cavangh and Mulgrew to chip in, as well as Sean Cavanagh and the half backs. Huge game for Mulgrew who must finally deliver on his potential. Some good options on the bench if theyre fit - the McMahons, Mellon, O'Neill. I take it Calvan is still injured and that was lies about him going well in training? Hope that Cormac McGinley picks up McFadden because he'll not have the pace for the other members of the full forward line. Late call up for P J Quinn.
Is Paul Quinn injured - dont see him on the bench. Also Colm Donnelly and Cathal McCarron dont appear to have made the 30.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 14, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 14, 2007, 08:11:50 PM
Tyrone Senior team to play Donegal in the Ulster Football Championship semifinal at Clones on Sunday 17th June at 2.15 pm.
John Devine (Errigal Ciaran), Ryan McMenamin (Dromore), Cormac McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Dermot Carlin (Killyclogher), Davy Harte (Errigal Ciaran), Conor Gormley (Carrickmore), Philip Jordan (Moy), Kevin Hughes (Killeeshil), Sean Cavanagh (Moy), Brian Dooher ((Clann na nGael) Capt.), Raymond Mulgrew (Cookstown), Enda McGinley (Errigal Ciaran), Colm McCullagh (Dromore), Colm Cavanagh (Moy), Owen Mulligan (Cookstown).
Subs: Pascal McConnell (Newtownstewart), Peter Donnelly (Coalisland), Ciaran Gourley (Rock), Colin Holmes (Armagh Harps), Kelvin Hughes (Donaghmore), Aiden McCarron (Fintona), Cathal McCarron (Omagh), Damian McCaul (Donaghmore), Joe McMahon (Omagh), Justin McMahon (Omagh), Ryan Mellon (Moy), Stephen O'Neill (Clann na nGael), Martin Penrose (Aghyaran), PJ Quinn (Moortown), Paul Rouse (Brackaville).
No Cavlan, at all?
From the BBC
"A knee problem means that O'Neill only makes the bench while Cavlan has been left out of the squad altogether because of a similar injury."
On a more positive note I just dusted down the old GAA PS2 game and after a slow start Tyrone came through to beat Donegal 1-8 to 1-3 ;D
Whats the feeling in Donegal ahead of the big game? Will there be many heading to the game? Suprised at how quiet they've been on the board in the run up to the game.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 14, 2007, 09:18:41 PM
On a more positive note I just dusted down the old GAA PS2 game and after a slow start Tyrone came through to beat Donegal 1-8 to 1-3 ;D
Is that all :'(
Could be a lot worse, though slightly more in hope than expectation at this point, but should the forward lads can get it together then it'll quickly be more in expectation than in hope.
Mulligan is going to do the job for us on Sunday (1-5)
I hope the defence is tighter Sunday than last day out - I just can't help but think that Mc Ivor will target Mc Ginley at full back ( just like Ballinderry did in Casement ) - but hopefully the defence can withstand the Donegal attack - win midfield is the answer -
A win regardless of performance is the hope, however I'd still go away happy with a narrow defeat and the qualifiers if the team shows promise and we lose in a high-scoring encounter..
My prediction for Sunday, Donegal to bag a goal or two and win a tight scrapy match by 2 points.
I also predict rain!
Happy enough with the lambh dearg team. Recognised free taker from both sides on the park. Step forward Mr Mulgrew and show us what you've got. Looking forward to both games on Sunday and hopefully a few celebratory pints afterward.
Feeling confident, think Donegal will win by 4 to 6 pts. If Tyrone were full strength it would be 50/50.
Providing the hunger is there in Donegal, and Ive no reason to think it wont be, I think we hold all the aces.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 14, 2007, 09:51:08 PM
A win regardless of performance is the hope, however I'd still go away happy with a narrow defeat and the qualifiers if the team shows promise and we lose in a high-scoring encounter..
Can't see a very high-scoring game here. If one team wins well it will because the other team has a shocker and scores only 8 or 9 points. As with our last game, I think 12 points will win this.
Quote from: aodhruadh on June 14, 2007, 10:07:25 PM
Feeling confident, think Donegal will win by 4 to 6 pts. If Tyrone were full strength it would be 50/50.
Providing the hunger is there in Donegal, and Ive no reason to think it wont be, I think we hold all the aces.
A lot of people thought that the last day too, until Armagh hit Donegal like a tonne of bricks. Let's hope we're more prepared this time.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 14, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Whats the feeling in Donegal ahead of the big game? Will there be many heading to the game? Suprised at how quiet they've been on the board in the run up to the game.
Aye it's worringly quite ... I even worry myself, I'm just too relaxed going into this game. The feeling in Donegal is that given Tyrone's injury problems, and given our momentum, and given that we can only but improve from the Armagh match, that we
should win on Sunday ... which is fairly dangerous.
I'm confident, but worried about being too confident. It'll be a great day out in Clones, and hopefully we do it ... we need to win this much more than Tyrone. Both of us and Armagh will still be around in the business end of the championship, but we need to win some silverware to give us that mental toughness to really compete from the quarter-final stages onwards ... Tyrone and Armagh
know they can lift Sam
QuoteIf Tyrone were full strength it would be 50/50
You're some laugh!
QuoteIs Paul Quinn injured - dont see him on the bench. Also Colm Donnelly and Cathal McCarron dont appear to have made the 30.
Nor Brendan Boggs from Owen Roe's.
From teamtalkmag.com
TYRONE manager Mickey Harte has made three changes to his starting team as he attempts to guide his county to a third Ulster senior football final in five seasons.
Raymond Mulgrew, Enda McGinley and Owen Mulligan have all been named in the Tyrone forward-line to face Donegal at Clones this Sunday (2.15pm) after missing the win over Fermanagh because of injury, although the latter pair did make late substitute appearances against the Ernemen four weeks ago.
The return of his three attackers to the starting fifteen helps the manager to compensate for the loss of Niall Gormley and Tommy McGuigan, two players who starred on their championship debuts against Fermanagh, scoring seven points between them in the process. Injuries subsequently sustained in club matches have put both players out of action for the foreseeable future.
Ryan Mellon is the third player to drop out of the team that started the opening round victory, his place at wing half-forward going to the fit again Enda McGinley. Mulgrew takes over the centre half-forward duties from broken wrist victim Tommy McGuigan, and Mulligan replaces Niall Gormley (broken jaw) to join up with the two Colms, McCullagh and Cavanagh, in the full-forward line.
While the Tyrone boss has had to change half of his attacking personnel from the last outing he has at least been able to name an unchanged defence and midfield partnership for the Donegal test.
The team actually remains the same up as far as team captain Brian Dooher at number 10, ensuring a full-back line of Ryan McMenamin, Cormac McGinley and Dermot Carlin and an established half-back line of Davy Harte, Conor Gormley and Philip Jordan once again.
John Devine retains the goalkeeping jersey, while Kevin Hughes and Sean Cavanagh will team up again for another midfield assignment. All but two members of Tyrone's starting selection possess All-Ireland senior medals, including eight players who own two of the game's most prized medals.
Another dual All-Ireland medallist, Stephen O'Neill, has been named among the subs for Sunday's eagerly-awaited fixture and the 2005 footballer of the year is expected to mark his return from injury with a runout as a substitute on Sunday.
Another player listed among the Tyrone subs is Moortown's promising young defender, P J Quinn, who was recently drafted into the squad when Mickey McGee was ruled out for the season.
As well as wanting to qualify for another Ulster final, Mickey Harte will be keen to defeat the last remaining Ulster county that he has yet to beat in championship football during his five-year tenure.
National league champions Donegal, who ended Armagh's bid for four in a row three weeks ago, are widely seen as marginal favourites to progress to the 2007 Anglo-Celt Cup decider, particularly with Tyrone's continuing injury problems.
But while players such as Brian McGuigan, Tommy McGuigan, Niall Gormley, Gerald Cavlan, Paul Quinn and McGee are all unavailable for selection for this weekend's semi-final tie, the return of quality players such as McGinley, Mulligan, Mulgrew, O'Neill and Joe McMahon to the match-day squad should ensure that Tyrone have the capabilities of advancing to the last hurdle of the Ulster series.
QuoteIf Tyrone were full strength it would be 50/50
Thought that was a wee bit optomisitc meself......................................
Not sure what Sunday will turn out like, after last year I thought we would get over the inury jinx..and then..............................
Also heard the word is that Brian McGuigan will not play again. Hope this is untrue for the sake of the lad himself.
McIvor's going with his usual Friday lunchtime announcement.
apparently Toye has chickenpox, so an even stronger case for Sweeney starting.
Would imagine that Ricey will pick up Devenney and McGinley (God help us) will take Toye / Sweeney as his lack of pace will see him roasted against anyone else
Feeling a wee bit more optomistic on this (but not much).
Sweeney would suit Mc Ginley - nut in spite of this I can't see Tyrone getting beat - underdogs for the first time in a very long time - time to turn the tables boys !
Whats this PJ Quinn like?
Where would he play? CB or HB?
Is he tall, strong or small and nippy man marker?
Think it's better to bring Stevo O on in a match rather than off apart from the time Armagh bribed the Cork ref in 2005 Ulster final of course.
Think the wet weather may have eased off by Sunday according to BBC & RTE weather for Clones.
Will Gerry Arthurs be sold out I wonder or can you buy tickets there at the ground?
Thank God I'll be coming from Dublin and not with all the Donegal and Tyrone traffic on the one road
QuoteFeeling confident, think Donegal will win by 4 to 6 pts. If Tyrone were full strength it would be 50/50.
If Tyrone were at full strength I would be confident of a victory over Donegal. I am fed up reading about Donegals league form. It was good, but you have to put it inperspective. They were playing counties who were 5/6/7 men short of their full team. Alot of posters mention their victory over Tyrone in the league, but what about the hammering they received a few weeks prior to that match by Tyrone. All in all I am not overly confident for Sunday. When certain key players have been missing for Tyrone (McGuigan, O'Neill) Tyrone struggle to flow. I would have loved to see the inclusion of Joe McMahon at full back too. As for Cathal McCarron, what has he done to goso far down in Hartes estimation. He was very impressive in the win against Donegal in the McKenna cup final. Well, one decision on the team selection will enable me to sleep easier tonight, the non-inclusion of Peter Donnelly - Pheewww!!
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2007, 10:38:09 AM
Whats this PJ Quinn like?
Where would he play? CB or HB?
Is he tall, strong or small and nippy man marker?
PJ Quinn is a quality player could play corner/half back. He is round the 6 foot mark and very quick but not so much of a man to man marker although perhaps Harte sees the similarities between PJ and Ricey before he converted Ricey to the corner.
McGinley will hopefully be on McFadden who would suit him, he wouldnt have the pace to cope with any other Donegal forward. McIver will be trying to take McGinley for speed/agility as he will know Mcginley will be well able to deal with a physical more static type of opponent
I think if we start this match like we used to do in 2003 and blow them away early with loads of fast passing moves and fast ball into FF line then Donegal could crumble. Teams expect us now to build slowly from the back and run the ball into scoring positions. My attitude is kick much more and if the FF line is making good runs into space then the pass doesnt have to be that accurate. Even if they play a sweeper just use a diff corner to kick it into.
I agree Nrico as I'm tired listening to folk saying
"Aye I know Tyrone have bad injuries but you's still expect them to..."
Feck me if you are missing 1 or two of your best players then maybe you can still manage but every team will struggle if they are constantly missing 5 or 6 players. I'm not looking for sympathy of course for our injury woes and of course it gives our fans the safety net of saying
"Och aye but we'd half our team missing"
But realistically We've not had a settled forward line for years now and if we do stay in it until August time then how many times will SON, Mugsy, Cavlan and McGinley be out injured again and now even our new lads are getting taken out of games.
Think the county board and Harte & Co. need to have meetings with club managers and discuss why there is a sudden increase in injuries within our county. It can no longer just be co-incidence and with the B.McGugian incident really look at stopping this tactic of taking county players out of games.
I can see a cracker game and maybe 2.18 to 1.17 to Tyrone.
No more negative defensive football.
QuoteMcGinley will hopefully be on McFadden who would suit him, he wouldnt have the pace to cope with any other Donegal forward
I'd hardly call Sweeney a flying machine now...............................
Don't know what McCarron did wrong, heard on the grapevine that Rouse's lack of action may be down to indescretion involving boxing after the Cork NFL game. Would have thought he would be worth a look in simply to change tactics, then again...maybe MH has been keeping his powder dry.
Hate the way people think we hammered Donegal in the McKenna final. If ANY of the Donegal forwards had brought thier shooting boots the game would have been over by half time.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 15, 2007, 11:41:58 AM
I can see a cracker game and maybe 2.18 to 1.17 to Tyrone.
I'll have a pint of that too please! ;)
Quote from: tyroneman on June 15, 2007, 11:45:28 AM
QuoteMcGinley will hopefully be on McFadden who would suit him, he wouldnt have the pace to cope with any other Donegal forward
I'd hardly call Sweeney a flying machine now...............................
Unless I am imagining things Sweeny has started hardly any games for Donegal this season - so I assume he wont start on Sunday either. Also you said McGinley would maybe pick up Toye - no chance Toye is one of the quickest forwards Donegal have, probably only Devenny is faster.
[Unless I am imagining things Sweeny has started hardly any games for Donegal this season - so I assume he wont start on Sunday either. Also you said McGinley would maybe pick up Toye - no chance Toye is one of the quickest forwards Donegal have, probably only Devenny is faster./size]
Leaving aside the fact I've never thought Toye was particularly speedy (Thompson would be nippier ) I was basing Sweeneys inclusion on the doubts over Hegarty and Toye himself.
Michael Hegarty's named in the team. Maybe that's to fill the spot while they figure out who's going to replace Toye. Or maybe he's fit after all.
1 Paul Durcan Na Ceithre Maistri
2 Neil McGee Gaoth Dobhair
3 Paddy Campbell Naomh Conaill
4 Karl Lacey Na Ceithre Maistri
5 Paddy McConigley Gaeil Fhanada
6 Barry Monaghan Na Ceithre Maistri
7 Barry Dunnion Na Ceithre Maistri
8 Neil Gallagher Gleann Sulai
9 Kevin Cassidy Gaoth Dobhair
10 Brian Roper Aodh Ruadh
11 Ciaran Bonner Gleann Sulai
12 Rory Kavanagh Naomh Adhamhnain
13 Colm McFadden Naomh Michael
14 Brendan Devenney Naomh Adhamhnain
15 Michael Hegarty Cill Chartha
following the usual pattern, pick a team for the press, and then decide later...
Could be any one from Sweeney/Wappa/Toye
Ray Mulgrew and Colm Mc Cullagh, in particular, need to have the county games of their lives for us on Sunday, and this just might be the game to bring it out in them, there'll be nowhere to hide.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 15, 2007, 03:03:10 PM
Ray Mulgrew and Colm Mc Cullagh, in particular, need to have the county games of their lives for us on Sunday, and this just might be the game to bring it out in them, there'll be nowhere to hide.
Mulgrew has got great potential and could potentially go on to become a great county player. People seem to forget he is only about 21, it takes time to adjust to county senior football - McGuigan has stated it took him at least one year to come to terms with the sheer speed of the game. There is perhaps a liitle too much expectation on Mulgrews shoulders, if Tyrone had a full compliment they could ease him into the swing of things and he may have adjusted better. Hopefully he has a good game on Sunday and this kick starts his county senior career.
McCullagh just doesnt appear to have that extra bit required to be a quality corner forward at this level, he finds the going tough against the better corner men but he is getting an excellent chance to show what he is made of on Sunday.
Mugsy is the key on Sunday, if he plays well we have a great chance. He usually produces the goods on the big day and I can see him doing it again on sunday.
Don't disagree there LL, and certainly aware of Mulgrew's relative youth, and of how big a step up it is to football at this level. He has the class, just needs to blossom.
I hope Mugsy is in better shape than he was 4 weeks ago. Not only was he unfit, but he was carrying weight as well. I have a bad feeling that he won't be sharp enough for this level of intensity. I think the other forwards need to stand up and be counted. If Mugsy slots over the frees, I'll be happy enough.
I''m off for the weekend now so hope ye enjoy the games lads and I reckon Mugsy will score 1.5 and we'll win by 4 points
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Its great to be heading into another big championship weekend. Imo its Tyrones biggest match since the 05' final. We'll know after Sunday exactly were we're at. I know people talk about the back door but really think we must win this game if we're to go anywere this year. A win here and you'd only be a victory against Derry/Monaghan away from a quarter final. A defeat and you'd need to win 3 qualifiers to get to the same position - even the 1st round could be against Armagh or Meath etc. Hopefully the weather will be decent on Sunday meaning a huge crowd and big atmosphere. The team despite all the injuries isnt bad. Think we'll need a big game from Mugsy to get the win. Cavanagh Jnr, Mulgrew and McCullagh must also show theyre capable of producing at this level. If the games close in the 2nd half hopefully O'Neill can come of the bench which would lift the whole team. Do people think the Tyrone support will return in big numbers for the match?
Donegal 0-14
Tyrone 0-11
Jesus O'Neill a bit of faith lad, no point being pessimistic going into a game like this, screw the league form thats what I say ;D
Quote from: Elias on June 15, 2007, 07:37:36 PM
Jesus O'Neill a bit of faith lad, no point being pessimistic going into a game like this, screw the league form thats what I say ;D
Donegal 0-14
Tyrone 0-13
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We'll need a goal to win this one I think.
Donegal 0-11 Tyrone 1-10
must be positive
I just worry where the scores are coming from. I'd imagine:
Davy Harte 0-1
Sean Cavanagh 0-2,
Brian Dooher 0-1
Colm McCullagh 0-1
Colm Cavanagh 0-2
Owen Mulligan 0-4
(0-11)
Ideally:
Kevin Hughes 0-1,
Sean Cavanagh 0-3,
Brian Dooher 0-1,
Raymond Mulgrew 0-1,
Enda McGinley 0-1,
Colm McCullagh 0-3,
Colm Cavanagh 1-1,
Owen Mulligan 1-2
(2-13)
Best of luck to Donegal on Sunday, heres hoping they can scratch out a win against a very strong Tyrone outfit who must be hot favourites.
prediction. Tyrone 2-11 Donegal 1-10. :(
Quote from: stew on June 15, 2007, 10:29:38 PM
Best of luck to Donegal on Sunday, heres hoping they can scratch out a win against a very strong Tyrone outfit who must be hot favourites.
prediction. Tyrone 2-11 Donegal 1-10. :(
What?
Quote from: stew on June 15, 2007, 10:29:38 PM
Best of luck to Donegal on Sunday, heres hoping they can scratch out a win against a very strong Tyrone outfit who must be hot favourites.
prediction. Tyrone 2-11 Donegal 1-10. :(
Check out paddy power stew, even money suggests otherwise
Elias, has that guy a small hand or what?
God I hope not! ???
Previous meetings in the Ulster Championship:
1919 Donegal 4-03 Tyrone 2-00 Strabane
1924 Donegal 0-01 Tyrone 0-02 Letterkenny
1943 Donegal 0-07 Tyrone 1-08 Omagh
1953 Donegal 0-06 Tyrone 0-12 Ballybofey
1954 Donegal 1-05 Tyrone 1-07 Dungannon
1957 Donegal 2-03 Tyrone 3-05 Cavan
1972 Donegal 2-13 Tyrone 1-11 Clones
1973 Donegal 1-07 Tyrone 0-12 Ballybofey
1974 Donegal 1-09 Tyrone 0-08 Omagh
1979 Donegal 1-11 Tyrone 1-09 Irvinestown
1980 Donegal 0-09 Tyrone 1-17 Irvinestown
1989 Donegal 0-11 Tyrone 0-11 Clones
1989 Donegal 0-07 Tyrone 2-13 Clones (Replay)
1994 Donegal 0-10 Tyrone 1-15 Cavan
2004 Donegal 1-11 Tyrone 0-09 Clones
Nine Tyrone wins, five Donegal wins, one draw in the '89 Ulster Final.
I think the defenses were on top in that 1924 meeting!
We could see a repeat of that 1924 classic tomorrow anyway Tyrone abu!
Just over 24 hours to go and I still can't make a call on how this one will turn out. To be honest, I think the build up has got the feel to a game where Tyrone could come out all guns blazing and blow Donegal away. It's been a long time since Tyrone have fired on all cylinders - probably the last time was the All Ireland semi against Armagh in 2005 (the sweetest victory of all!) They're due a good game and this one will provide the motivation with a lot of commentators writing the team off. It's been five or six years since Tyrone have gone into a game with as little expectation. We all now know that the most difficult thing about being one of the top teams in the country is the fact that the pressure is always on. How Kerry continually cope with it is beyond me. Most teams get up there and can't stay - e.g. Donegal '92, Derry '93, Armagh '02 ;)
On the other hand we could serve up the same shite we've shown in the championship since 2005 and get our arses kicked. Therefore, I predict that it won't be a one or two point game. Probably five or six to either side, put hopefully to Tyrone!
Word i am getting in Donegal is that Michael Hegarty won't play and will be replaced by Adrian Sweeney, although I hear that Ryan Bradley could be deployed if McIver wants to keep Sweeney for his usual 'impact sub' role.
Quote from: MrC on June 16, 2007, 04:33:53 PM
Word i am getting in Donegal is that Michael Hegarty won't play and will be replaced by Adrian Sweeney, although I hear that Ryan Bradley could be deployed if McIver wants to keep Sweeney for his usual 'impact sub' role.
Listening to Tony Boyle on Highland as well? ;)
Tony is predicting a 4-point Donegal win.
Reckons we could be in a bit of bother if Cavanagh isn't kept in check though.
Bring on the match! Should be a good day in Clones tomorrow. Hopefully Mulgrew and Cavanagh will come of age and Tyrone can reproduce the form from 05'. Will probably need to score at least 2 goals to win it.
Feeling slightly more optimistic simply because the feeling is that Donegal should win this. Tyrone are in a decent position now.
I see Heaney tips Tyrone by 2. Who does he think he is, eh? Get on the case RHF!
Tyrone 1-10 Donegal 0-9
Wasn't hugely impressed with either side in the quarter final although they both got the win they needed. Think Tyrone have more improvement in them than Donegal and might just have the edge in quality footballers. Wouldn't expect a classic though hopefully I'm wrong.
I think the referee could have a big bearing on todays game. He was very poor in the Tyrone Derry game last year. Derry set out with certain tactics to stop Tyrone e.g rugby tackles and he did very little about it. He also seems quick to award a free to the man in posession if he is surrounded by men. This will not suit Tyrone.
Donegal are my tip for the AI and I think they'll take a step towards that today. Tyrone have too many injuries and if Donegal are as good as I think they are they should win by 2-5 points. Hope it's a cracker anyway.
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 17, 2007, 09:11:15 AM
I think the referee could have a big bearing on todays game. He was very poor in the Tyrone Derry game last year. Derry set out with certain tactics to stop Tyrone e.g rugby tackles and he did very little about it. He also seems quick to award a free to the man in posession if he is surrounded by men. This will not suit Tyrone.
lol sour grapes!!
Quote from: marty88 on June 17, 2007, 12:53:23 PM
lol sour grapes!!
Yeah looked like sour grapes to me as well, wasnt the ref who beat Tyrone that day. But it seems equally strange to be celebrating that result in your sig given Derry did nothing else all year. Whilst Tyrone look back on 2 AI's in 3 years you are reduced to getting excited about beating an injury ravaged team in an Ulster 1st round match and then getting knocked out soon after. Doesnt say much for Derry really. Maybe you will have something more substantial to get excited about this season.
As for today Im afraid I still cant see Tyrone having enough firepower to see off Donegal. People are saying we are owed the first big performance since 2005 but there would have been no AI in 2005 without the likes of McGuigan, SON and PtG. No real continuity of team selection in the forward division since then either, players coming in to replace the injured players havent had a decent chance to gell. FB remains a problem. All I would ask is Tyrone tear into Donegal and make them really work for it, unlike the aforementioned Derry match last year. Lets see where a committed fighting performance gets us.
methinks it is a game to put the tv on mute.
Jordan took some rattle there - back on his feet, fair play to him
sorry jim carney is too funny to put on mute
Id say the ref is shitting himself now.
Carney is desperate!
Bad call by the ref, he whistled too early. Good goal by Donegal a couple of minutes later. Tyrone's full back line struggling under the high ball....and Joey is in for Cormac McGinley already.
What a poor game..and the commentry doesn't help either Jim Carney is woefull
laurel and hardy stuff there.
This commentator is seriously annoying my shite.
Quote from: tyssam5 on June 17, 2007, 02:56:52 PM
This commentator is seriously annoying my shite.
Who is the commentator? He's brutal.
The camera work leaves a lot to be desired. We're missin kickouts and anything that even resembles 'rough stuff'. The producer seems to have a facination with the cameras behind the goals too.
The camera work would be grand if the two knobs could tell us what's going on!
For example, after the disallowed goal Carney was wetting himself for five minutes and the camera was on mcfadden's face and you knew by his expression there was something up, took carney five minutes to realise and tell us about it!
Missed that, what did he say?
you would think a primary requirement for a commentator would be able to recognise the players
From Philadelphia ..... what is the score?
1-9 to 1-4 for Tyrone
1-10 now 44mins
Afraid of that...couldn't make Paddy Rooneys and cannot find the match on the net?
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2-11 to 1-5
Tyrone toying with them now - running though them
commentating is useless. not as bad as kevin hughes though. hes one of the worst footballers on a county team at the min.
brilliant to see somebody givin dooher somethin proper to lie down about. dick lies full stretch every chance he gets. silly of mcfadden but it brought a smile to my face.
Settle yourself down you Derry w**k. Wait till Monaghan give you a good beating.
forgot how much i hate tyrone. played very well the day tho, monaghan or derry willl have their hands full. big tyrone supporter? do they have broadband in clones?
Some of us live outside your microcosm lad. Up at 6.15am to watch, not too bad a supporter.
:D fair enough! use are on the right road again! as much as i hate to admit it!
Fantastic performance today by Tyrone, I didnt think they had it in them. The key men, the likes of Dooher (a magnificent performance - and as far somebody saying they were happy to see him get hit that just shows what an eejit the poster in question is), Gormley, Jordan, Cavanagh and Mulligan stood up and were counted and Mulgrew (and younger Cavanagh as the game went on) stepped up to the mark. Once Joey was in and Gormley got a foothold in the game the defence looked steady and were it not for some bad wides Donegal would have taken a bigger beating. O' Neil looked good when he came on, if he can get fit and we can keep the aforementioned key men injury free as well then things are looking up.
Donegal were poor again though, they were lucky to get past Armagh then took a hammering today, they have a lot of work to do to get back on course in the qualifiers.
Dooher man of the match no question, coming back from major knee surgery but he never stopped and hit five great points. Great day ;D
Simply shocking from Donegal today. No guts, little effort on the part of too many players. Its going to be hard to pick it up for the qualifiers after a performance like that, particularly as McFadden will probably get a month or two for hitting Dooher. Once again, we flop after being built up.
Well done Tyrone. Awesome displays from Dooher and the half-backs.
Quote from: Louper on June 17, 2007, 03:36:26 PM
brilliant to see somebody givin dooher somethin proper to lie down about. dick lies full stretch every chance he gets. silly of mcfadden but it brought a smile to my face.
Maybe it brought a smile to your face, but it just idiotic by McFadden, no matter what Dooher was saying to him (same with Kevin McMenamin). The only loser is McFadden and his team for the next day.
Quotebrilliant to see somebody givin dooher somethin proper to lie down about. dick lies full stretch every chance he gets. silly of mcfadden but it brought a smile to my face.
We feel your obvious pain. lol. The board has a new nominee for the jealous little p***k award.
I said last night that I thought that the days of Tyrrone scoring 1-20 against good teams was over for a while and in fairness I don't think anyone saw a display like that coming!
Superb team effort and although it's only June, if they can keep it up there could be a hat-trick of all-irelands on the card. We've shown for the first time since the 05 AIF, that when we gel no-one in the country can live with our work rate.
Tir Eoghan Abu!!
Over the bar, you not giving abuse to your tyssam5 for spending time on the pc while his team is playing?
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 17, 2007, 04:08:08 PM
Quotebrilliant to see somebody givin dooher somethin proper to lie down about. dick lies full stretch every chance he gets. silly of mcfadden but it brought a smile to my face.
We feel your obvious pain. lol. The board has a new nominee for the jealous little p***k award.
come on now did u not see my other comment? i said they were very good. lookin dangerous and are on the right track again! wont be easy stopped, surely fancied big time for ulster?
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 16, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
Just over 24 hours to go and I still can't make a call on how this one will turn out. To be honest, I think the build up has got the feel to a game where Tyrone could come out all guns blazing and blow Donegal away.
Fcuk I'm good! ;D
I hope it's Derry in the final. After last years debacle in Omagh the record needs to be set straight.
Quotecome on now did u not see my other comment? i said they were very good. lookin dangerous and are on the right track again! wont be easy stopped, surely fancied big time for ulster?
Your obvious delight in Dooher getting punched tells me all I need to know. Have a bit of respect ffs.
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 17, 2007, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 16, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
Just over 24 hours to go and I still can't make a call on how this one will turn out. To be honest, I think the build up has got the feel to a game where Tyrone could come out all guns blazing and blow Donegal away.
Fcuk I'm good! ;D
I hope it's Derry in the final. After last years debacle in Omagh the record needs to be set straight.
Good prediction all right, but is there another allegedly contending team that has gone out and been "unexpectedly" hammered on more occasions than Donegal over the past five or six years?
There was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple.
Sly one from McFadden, how long do yous all think he'll get suspended for then?? Silly man
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple.
Probably not, although that's what was said every time we gave a team a hiding in 2003.
"Sly one from McFadden, how long do yous all think he'll get suspended for then?? Silly man"
It wasn't exactly what you could call a sly one. A sly one is when the referee isn't looking.
Woah, what a game! Tyrone are back on track again, lets hope they continue with this and annoy future injuries.
Dooher was outstanding, Mulligan stepped up the plate, Canvanagh Jr. showed some of that potential. Getting McMahon in for McGinley was much needed and the defense tighten up shortly after his introduction.
As for McFaddon's red card. Much deserved, it was a terrible act and I would have no sympathy for him walking. McMenamin... well it was stupid throwing the ball at Ricey's face and I didn't see what he did after that, so prehaps the second yellow was a little strong.
Donegal's first goal should have been allowed, can't see why is was disallowed.
I agree that Tyrone's penalty was the right decision and it being allowed was correct too. Durcan threw the ball back out and he didn't need to. He was focused on the penalty and didn't appeared to be distracted by the mini-melee, which was happening to the side. Though, it was created by Donegal.
Anyway, based on this performance, Tyrone have to be odds-on-favourites to life the Anglo-Celt Cup and one of the front runners for the Sam Maguire. However for now, I'm not going to get too far away of myself and I think only of Ulster.... for now ;)
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple.
You are right dude. On an awesome day at full strength we'd have won by 20. ;D :D
I'm sure you'll agree that Tyrone minors were pretty awesome tho blowing the myth of Armagh's underage talent out of the water! ;D :D ;D
Did you meet Tony Ziggy?
Well with 14 minutes to go you had that feeling that Tyrone were going to finish very strong, butremember Tyrone second goal had yet to be scored... to leave at that time would have surely been beyond even the most diehard Donegal Fan... but no after witnessing the mauling that his beloved Armagh took in the minors poor old Free ticketing Tony Fearon (standing out a mile in his tangerine top, couldnt stomach any more and fled Clones via the back door. Well I suppose if you have been eating cheese and onion crisps for 2 hours solid... the stomach can only take so much. Great to see ya tone no doubt impressed at the inwaiting Ulster champions 2007 having enjoyed so much the success of last years Ulster champions.
BTW:
B Dooher; Hub; Gormley; Mulligan - absolutely outstanding stuff . great team performance and looking for more this year.
Quote from: ExiledGael on June 17, 2007, 07:47:26 PM
Did you meet Tony Ziggy?
Spotted him, but he didn't see me. He was late into the Minor game between Tyrone and Armagh. In fact, missed the first half. Though he did have a big shopping bag of junk food with him. The missus is a nice looking woman though. Far too good for Tony. :D
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 17, 2007, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on June 17, 2007, 07:49:33 PM
The missus is a nice looking woman though. Far too good for Tony. :D
Ziggy ring Specsavers :D
I had my eyes tested a few weeks ago 5iveTimes. :P
Quote from: rrhf on June 17, 2007, 07:48:34 PM
BTW:
B Dooher; Hub; Gormley; Mulligan - absolutely outstanding stuff . great team performance and looking for more this year.
Are you having a laugh naming Hub as being outstanding? i think that was one of his worst ever displays in a Tyrone shirt. Im usually a fan of hughes but he had a nightmare today - his shooting and passing were absolutely terrible for the whole game!!
I wouldn't go as far as you tyroneboi. Hub is usually a lot better than today, but to say he had a nightmare.. that was a bit strong.
Passing was poor at times and he missed a sinner of an open goal, but I'm willing to forgive. Not McGinley though!
I thought kevin hughes had an excellent game. He broke a lot of ball, put in the hard tackles and shored up midfield. Nothing fancy but an extremely competent display. I'll give you that his shooting was poor but overall I thought he'd a great game.
Quote from: ziggysego on June 17, 2007, 08:00:37 PM
I wouldn't go as far as you tyroneboi. Hub is usually a lot better than today, but to say he had a nightmare.. that was a bit strong.
Passing was poor at times and he missed a sinner of an open goal, but I'm willing to forgive. Not McGinley though!
Like i say i am usually a fan of Hughes - just think he needs to up his game for the long summer ahead (hopefully). He should stick to wat hes good at and let Cavanagh get on with the attacking stuff.
Just dont think that he had the best of days today thats all!
I was surpirsed that McMennimen (no.25) stayed on the pitch so long he should have got a yellow far earlier, was I the only one notice him wrap his leg aroung one of the Tyrone players kneck about 10-15 minutes before he got his first yellow.
What was McFadden at throwing that punch, silly man, Donegal in the Qualifiers with him banned how long? He will miss one game at least, probably 2!
Great to see a Tyrone win after the Fermanagh match, long way to croker in sept though
Hughes was superb today (apart from his shooting)
he won or broke nearly every ball and was a one of the reasons why we won. Also got himself into some great positions on another day he would have had 4 or 5 points. He looks much sharper and fitter than he ever has.
dont think you could fault anyone in Tyrone shirt - C McGinley apart... big joey needs to shed a few pounds b4 the final
Good to see the Cookstown boys doing well. Somebody said to me yesterday that Mugsy was overweight. I wish i was as fit as him. Young Mulgrew is just going to go from strength to strength.
If by some slim chance we were to get past Monaghan methinks we'd be in for a bit of a drubbing in the Ulster Final.
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple
Typical Armagh bulls**t.
Donegal were brutal the last day out as well and ended up
beating Armagh so where does that leave the Orangemen then??? ::)
Tyrone simply had too much workrate, skill, teamwork and outright hunger today for Donegal. I don't believe that was Tyrone in 5th gear yet either.
Leaving all that aside though - beating the NFL champions, who had just disposed of the reigning Ulster Champions in thier previous match, by 11 - nothing awesome in that Donagh.....................
Glad to see MH finally wake up to Cormac McGinley - hopefully yhat was his nightcap in the last chance saloon. Joey all the way now, failing that AN Other - anyone but McGinley
Don't think much of the Orange Jnr brigade either. The futures not bright in Armagh, the futures not Orange
As regards donegal i think they are too big for summer football. Mc Ivor has for gone size to the expense of speed. If you look at tyrone one could tell after 15-20 mins they were going to run donegal off the park- the difference in speed was staggering. i think donegal play there best football on the wet heavy pitches but struggle in the summer when speed is king.
Quote from: Donagh on June 17, 2007, 06:02:35 PM
There was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple.
Donegal had 9 wins and a draw from 10 league and championship games in 2007 and Tyrone beat them by 11 points, to try and point a negative spin on the result is churlish in the extreme. Donegal were poor against Armagh as well and still won....sometimes, however hard it may be for you, you have to give some credit for a superb performance.
As for the chat about Kevin Hughes its very unfair to focus on his poor shooting. Ok on a better day he could have hit 1-3 or something but his all round performance was very good and bodes well. Monaghan or Derry will be a different proposition and a much tighter game Im sure but its just nice to be there, certainly todays performance put a lot of belief and hope back into Tyrone football.
Where now for Donegal? The changes in the system this year mean that there is much less chance of a relatively easy qualifier game to get them motoring again, not that that would necessarily happen anyway after today. Two years ago, after a similarly demoralizing loss to Armagh, the team just about scraped by Wicklow, before disgracefully not bothering their asses against Cavan until we were 10 points down. Three years ago, another heavy defeat amid high expectations against Armagh was followed by our gifting a qualifier match that we had enough chances to have won easily to Fermanagh through indiscipline and infighting. So despite the relative success of 2003, our qualifier record is not exactly brilliant. After today's debacle, can McIvor lift them and pull them together to give it a proper lash? Will he or they want to? Because if they go out of the qualifiers now with a whimper, that league title is not going to mean very much to anyone ever again: it will have a mauling by Tyrone and a possible qualifier humiliation hanging over it forever.
What was completely unacceptable today was the way many players just didn't compete and basically gave up early in the second half. Yes, the penalty before half-time was a big blow, but good teams put those incidents behind them and get on with things. You could see Donegal players lift it for a couple of minutes after Ciaran Bonner's point early in the second half, where they seemed to be fighting a bit harder for possession than they had up to that point, but once Tyrone got the next couple of scores, they just threw in the towel. Excepting McFadden and McMenamin's late stupidity, I can't fault the full forwards too much as the supply was basically nonexistant for most of the game, but most of the other players were beaten hands down by their men. Some of the mistakes were ridiculous e.g. Durcan putting McConigley in trouble with a short kick-out, McConigley messing up a simple hand-pass to Devenney, both resulting in points for Mulligan. Durcan giving away the penalty, Barry Monaghan playing a five yard pass on the ground from a free to a teammate surrounded by three or four Tyrone players and so on and so on. Very few players were willing to stand up and give a bit of leadership. Some, like Devenney and Kavanagh, tried in the last quarter, but the game was long gone at that stage.
That's also two matches in a row where we've been destroyed by the opposition's midfield and half-backs, although today was far, far worse than the Armagh game. Despite our hopes, it would appear that the Cassidy/Gallagher pairing is not necessarily the answer to our midfield problems, although they were also completely let down by the failure of our half-forwards to compete with the Tyrone half-backs. It hard to see what alternative there is though. Maybe Cassidy needs to be moved back into the half-backs again, but none of the other half-backs and half-forwards who have been tried at midfield have been a success. Indiana may also have a point about McIvor going for the big men at the expense of speed. I didn't catch why Barry Dunnion didn't play today (presumably injured), and while I'm not suggesting that one player would have made much of a difference, he was definitely missed in that area of the pitch. I would like to say that Toye and Hegarty were missed around the middle too, but they weren't great against Armagh and maybe would have made no difference today either.
I would think that many of the teams going into the first round will be fancying their chances against Donegal after our last two performances.
Quote from: tyroneboi on June 17, 2007, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 17, 2007, 07:48:34 PM
BTW:
B Dooher; Hub; Gormley; Mulligan - absolutely outstanding stuff . great team performance and looking for more this year.
Are you having a laugh naming Hub as being outstanding? i think that was one of his worst ever displays in a Tyrone shirt. Im usually a fan of hughes but he had a nightmare today - his shooting and passing were absolutely terrible for the whole game!!
Absolute nonsense. Hub was in the top 3 performers today, behind Dooher and Gormley.
Much covered here - one thing - great to see that hunger back. Big time. A big, big statement. Work-rate and skill is a seriously pleasing concoction.
Feet on the ground.
I missed Mc Ivor being interviewed after the game, i was all set to get my "Whadda you call it" meter out for him, anyone know how many times he said it?
As for Donegal - soft underbelly, as hinted at against Armagh was seriously exposed today. McIvor's team seemed too concerned about neutralising possible options when Tyrone were on the ball that they forgot that Tyrone were actually in possession. Sorry to see their thuggery. Plenty of physicality. No footballing guts. Would like to see them win Sam though if we don't.
Great performance by Tyrone, with their half back line and Dooher laying the foundations for the win. Dooher was brilliant, showing for the ball all the time, driving forward and taking 6 scores from play. Harte was right to take him off 5 mins from the end to get the applause he deserved. The likes of Colm Cavanagh and Raymond Mulgrew grabbed the limelight towards the end of the game , but by that point the likes of Dooher had done the main work. Donegal were awful. Really bad! The amount of time and space they gave Tyrone players on the ball in their half forward and half back lines was unreal. Dooher's point midway through the first half was an example, with him running maybe 30 yds without a tackle going in. That set the tone. Tyrone were obviously good enough to exploit the space given them and in return they closed Donegal down at every turn. Tyrone probably felt going into the game that they needed to put on a performance to convince themselves that they have what it takes this year again. They have put down a marker for the rest of their year.
Donegal have really disappointed me over the past 2 games. They've played some stupid football and most of their players haven't been willing to put their bodies on the line to win the ball. They had 3 weeks since the Armagh game so they should have been just about right going into this game. It's hard to see them going anywhere in the qualifiers after those 2 performances.
Quote from: ONeill on June 17, 2007, 10:43:14 PM
As for Donegal - soft underbelly, as hinted at against Armagh was seriously exposed today. McIvor's team seemed too concerned about neutralising possible options when Tyrone were on the ball that they forgot that Tyrone were actually in possession. Sorry to see their thuggery. Plenty of physicality. No footballing guts. Would like to see them win Sam though if we don't.
I think its crystal clear now that we don't have the talent or the bottle to go all the way, and as I've said already its hard to see the team lifting themselves for the qualifiers after the past two performances.
I wouldn't be too hard on McFadden, although I did think we'd left the indiscipline side of our game when things aren't going well behind. He'll get his deserved ban, but he's not a dirty player. Having been sent off once or twice myself in similar situations over many years of low-level junior soccer, I can well understand how someone can lose the head when the game has turned into a complete nightmare and opposition are doing a bit of gloating and mouthing off. I didn't see what Kevin McMenamin did for the second card, but if ever a player deserved a ball in the head, its Ryan McMenamin! :P
McMenamin -v- McMenamin.
Is it something in the name?
In answer to your question, i really dont know what now for Donegal.They have to hope for a relatively easy draw in the qualifiers, otherwise i think its curtains for another year.
Dunnion was planned to take the field but seemed to struggle in the warm up and was withdrawn.
Another year without the Anglo Celt Cup, 15 year drought now. Depressing, can't understand the lacklustre display, esp after the Armagh performance which was poor. And now facing into the qualifiers without our best forward, gotta hope we dont meet Armagh, Mayo, Meath from what we've seen so far.
Great result today. Dooher was magnificent, Gormley was his usual class and Hub did an awful lot
of donkey work in the middle. I'd say that's Cormac gone as it took Joey to come in to reign in McFadden,
he had him in his pocket there after, hence the frustration at the end.
I thought Carlin and Harte had great games also, Enda wasn't great nor Mellon either for that matter
when he came on, I'd say Tommy and N. Gormley will walk back on to that team when fit again at the expense
of either of the two mentioned above along with McCullagh.
I hope he gives Mulgrew a slot somewhere in that HF line as he does do a site of work and knows where the posts are.
My stab at a team anyway:
Devine
Ricey Joey Carlin
Harte Gormley Jordan
Hub Sean
Dooher Tommy (if fit) Mulgrew
Mulligan O'Neill N. Gormley
Quote from: tyroneman on June 17, 2007, 09:10:25 PM
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple
Typical Armagh bulls**t.
Donegal were brutal the last day out as well and ended up beating Armagh so where does that leave the Orangemen then??? ::)
Tyrone simply had too much workrate, skill, teamwork and outright hunger today for Donegal. I don't believe that was Tyrone in 5th gear yet either.
Leaving all that aside though - beating the NFL champions, who had just disposed of the reigning Ulster Champions in thier previous match, by 11 - nothing awesome in that Donagh.....................
Glad to see MH finally wake up to Cormac McGinley - hopefully yhat was his nightcap in the last chance saloon. Joey all the way now, failing that AN Other - anyone but McGinley
Don't think much of the Orange Jnr brigade either. The futures not bright in Armagh, the futures not Orange
Aye and I hear that on the back of that awesome performance Paddy Power is paying out tomorrow on Tyrone lifting the Sam Maguire.
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 17, 2007, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 16, 2007, 11:33:22 AM
Just over 24 hours to go and I still can't make a call on how this one will turn out. To be honest, I think the build up has got the feel to a game where Tyrone could come out all guns blazing and blow Donegal away.
Fcuk I'm good! ;D
I hope it's Derry in the final. After last years debacle in Omagh the record needs to be set straight.
ha ha, dream on!!
QuoteAye and I hear that on the back of that awesome performance Paddy Power is paying out tomorrow on Tyrone lifting the Sam Maguire.
bitter, bitter, bitter.......................................... but not a suprise from our Armagh neighbours
at least you guys showed us what a real 'awsome' performance was like in Ballybofey.........ooooopps
where you nailed them by 11 with a 3rd choice forward line...........ooooops
still at least Donegal were s**t hot that day......................oooooops
at least the minors are a ray of hope for Armagh football.......................ooooooops
Tyroneman have you not school in the morning, quit embarassing the sensible Tyrone posters on here with stupid posts.
Yes Tyrone were outstanding but the way you go on you would think you have won Sam already. Also I don't think the future of an Armagh team will be based on one minor team, we were not expected to beat Donegal in the minors and were beaten by a much better Tyrone team. No harm.
Quote from: Donagh on June 17, 2007, 11:46:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 17, 2007, 09:10:25 PM
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple
Typical Armagh bulls**t.
Donegal were brutal the last day out as well and ended up beating Armagh so where does that leave the Orangemen then??? ::)
Tyrone simply had too much workrate, skill, teamwork and outright hunger today for Donegal. I don't believe that was Tyrone in 5th gear yet either.
Leaving all that aside though - beating the NFL champions, who had just disposed of the reigning Ulster Champions in thier previous match, by 11 - nothing awesome in that Donagh.....................
Glad to see MH finally wake up to Cormac McGinley - hopefully yhat was his nightcap in the last chance saloon. Joey all the way now, failing that AN Other - anyone but McGinley
Don't think much of the Orange Jnr brigade either. The futures not bright in Armagh, the futures not Orange
Aye and I hear that on the back of that awesome performance Paddy Power is paying out tomorrow on Tyrone lifting the Sam Maguire.
Is this not your thread Donagh? :
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=2950.msg103792#msg103792
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 18, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Donagh on June 17, 2007, 11:46:58 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 17, 2007, 09:10:25 PM
QuoteThere was nothing awesome about Tyrone, Donegal were brutal, plain and simple
Typical Armagh bulls**t.
Donegal were brutal the last day out as well and ended up beating Armagh so where does that leave the Orangemen then??? ::)
Tyrone simply had too much workrate, skill, teamwork and outright hunger today for Donegal. I don't believe that was Tyrone in 5th gear yet either.
Leaving all that aside though - beating the NFL champions, who had just disposed of the reigning Ulster Champions in thier previous match, by 11 - nothing awesome in that Donagh.....................
Glad to see MH finally wake up to Cormac McGinley - hopefully yhat was his nightcap in the last chance saloon. Joey all the way now, failing that AN Other - anyone but McGinley
Don't think much of the Orange Jnr brigade either. The futures not bright in Armagh, the futures not Orange
Aye and I hear that on the back of that awesome performance Paddy Power is paying out tomorrow on Tyrone lifting the Sam Maguire.
Is this not your thread Donagh? :
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=2950.msg103792#msg103792
:D :D
QuoteI'm sure you'll agree that Tyrone minors were pretty awesome tho blowing the myth of Armagh's underage talent out of the water!
Sorry...what myth was that?
This minor team had a terrible run in the league & were not expected to get past Donegal nevermind Tyrone!
Congrats to Tyrone, terrific performance & really could & Should have won by a lot more!
As said already I though Dooher was amazing, & Kevin Hughes had tremendous showing. The only player on the ball more than Hughes was Dooher I reckon.
Also Gormley shakled Devenney well, Carlin conrtolled Roper & Ricey had a handy day once Sweeney ran out of steam (after 10 minutes!!)
John Devine also proved his selection was correct, very sound!
After scoring 2.15 - even with all the injuries & without Sean Cavanagh (who was anonymous - well done Kevin Cassidy!) - you have to say Tyrone are looking strong!
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
There's a fair bit of discussion here about Hub, and yes, he had a solid game and did a ton of work around the middle third. The only thing is he really should leave the shooting to someone else! He took shots a few times when there were other forwards in space. In a tighter game those kinds of opportunities could be the difference of winning or losing.
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 18, 2007, 09:54:21 AM
There's a fair bit of discussion here about Hub, and yes, he had a solid game and did a ton of work around the middle third. The only thing is he really should leave the shooting to someone else! He took shots a few times when there were other forwards in space. In a tighter game those kinds of opportunities could be the difference of winning or losing.
But, I think on another day he'd have converted more, even he. He was immense yesterday (shooting aside), so I'd be inclined to forgive him his indiscretions there, but yes, in a tighter game we would not have that luxury, and that's something he'll have to address.
I would say without exagerating that the display by Brian Dooher was one of if not the best displays by a Tyrone player EVER - I know that's a big statement but there you go.
I know Frank Mc Guigan in 1984 stands out as well, but the all round performance was unbelievable.
Any views ?
Views...yeah...why do we have to have crap refs, some of the decesions made by that ref was incredible. The Sunday game last night never even mentioned it. Mc Fadden hit the wrong man...it should have been the ref :D
Quote from: orangeman on June 18, 2007, 10:04:45 AM
I would say without exagerating that the display by Brian Dooher was one of if not the best displays by a Tyrone player EVER - I know that's a big statement but there you go.
I know Frank Mc Guigan in 1984 stands out as well, but the all round performance was unbelievable.
Any views ?
I would agree there OM, and the most heartening aspect of this for me, yesterday's result aside, is that he
still has it. He still has that unbelievable engine, drive, and will to win, and we're much the superior team for it.
Haven't been reading this thread, as I assume the usual Nordie sniping at each other is taking place ;) but I would just like to say 'Wow'. Some of Tyrone's football yesterday was breathtaking, and the moves for O'Neills first point, and Mellon's goal were simply fantastic. Simple, Fast, Clean and Clinical. The sort of Football Kerry play when they are on top form.
Awesome performance, and I know I've given Ulster football some stick over the years (I'm sure ye are devestated),, but yesterday was poetry in motion. Fair Play to Mickey Harte and the lads.
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on June 18, 2007, 10:10:28 AM
Views...yeah...why do we have to have crap refs, some of the decesions made by that ref was incredible. The Sunday game last night never even mentioned it. Mc Fadden hit the wrong man...it should have been the ref :D
Yep, a poor ref. I've never known any referee to be so inconsistent over 70 minutes... with himself! Seems like rules drift in and out of his consciousness over the 70 minutes, which is the ideal characteristic for a top-grade ref! :-\
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2007, 10:15:23 AM
Haven't been reading this thread, as I assume the usual Nordie sniping at each other is taking place ;)
You know us so well :D
Jesus - what a performance from Tyrone and still more players to come back.
Don't know if anyone saw Dara O'Cinniede before the match but he fairly summed up the thinking on Tryone down here.
Tyrone have the most talented squad in Ireland and while I don't like their style it is damb effective.
Best performance of the year so far by a long shot (not getting the credit it deserves 'cos 'Da Dubs' won).
With Kerry leaking goals(5) in a challenge loss to Galway, Tyrone now looking like the team to beat.
Ulster is in the bag and with a Connaught semi final Tyrone could be a good Q/F draw away from the final.
So much for Kerry having an easy passage. ps Cork won't be far away for Sam this year.
Quote from: SuperDooperCooper on June 18, 2007, 11:06:20 AM
Ulster is in the bag and with a Connaught semi final Tyrone could be a good Q/F draw away from the final.
Ulster football is never straight forward. I won't rest easily until Dooher is holding the Anglo-Celt above his head.
Dooher was amazing, and it was as good a performance I've seen from any player. 5 points from play was brilliant, but it was the manner he took them. Especially the first one, when he ran by his man from midfield and split the posts - the timing of the point was vital, as Donegal were just after scoring 2 goals(albeit the ref took one away from them). But his all round play was amazing. He was like a greyhound everytime he got the ball. His surging runs were a joy to watch, but what was more impressive was how he kept going, and never lost the ball despite the repated donegal attempts to knock the ball out of his hands (what a difference from the Fermanagh game). Also, he was always putting in tackles, and the amount of breaking ball he hoovered was amazing. But instead of winning it and giving it, he showed leadership and guts which inspired everybody around him. Mulligan showed very well, and his ball with the outside of the boot to SON was pure class. McCullagh was quiet from a scoring point of view, but he worked well off the ball. He hit a few brilliant balls, and played an integral part in the second goal. As for Hub, he was very good in every aspect - except the shooting. Poor efforts coupled with bad choices when men were in better positions. It is unbelievable to think how well Tyrone won without Sean Cavanagh having a particularly good game. It was a concern of mine prior to the game, wondering how we would fare without him at his best. Mulgrew was effective, very elegant and good to watch. Great confidence boost for him, and hopefully he will provide a good temporary number 11. Good to see Joe McMahon back in the side, always liked him in around the full back line. But what is the story with him with regards to his weight? He looked very big and surely he needs to loose that.
very encouraging performance from Tyrone. Didn't see it coming at all. I'm sure the Donegal players will be gutted. Is there a chance they underestimated Tyrone yesterday, although with McIver in charge you would think they would really have been up for it. But they did seem very flat. Perhaps Tyrone just didn't let them play and settle but after the Armagh game you would have thought that Donegal would have learned not to take the ball into tackles and to release it first time into McFadden who looked like he would cause plenty of trouble. Were Donegal content to have won the league? I think yesterday will have given the Tyrone lads a great injection of belief for the rest of the season but they will need to maintain the same levels for the next day. You would rather have Monaghan as another match against Derry would turn your stomach.
Would rather have Derry as there is a score to settle ;)
As much as I would love to see Monaghan back in an Ulster Final, I feel Derry some manners put on them after last year's slip up ;)
Fantastic result and going by the highlights, fantastic performance from the red hands. maximum credit to harte for re energising the team and people's thoughts on the destiny of sam are turned on their head in the space of 70 minutes.
Id fear Monaghan before Derry. (shudders thinks of chopping match in 1988 and Aidan Skelton and tear stained cheeks at the end being pressed into the wire. ). i have yet to live through a Tyrone and Derry Ulster final. So Id like that game. It would fill Clones, and we have a score to settle. We will take on anyone though as they will both be tough as nails.
Uladh are you still on the drink from the weekend. Maitheamh!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
What's with all this McHugh crap? Is he public enemy no. 1 in Tyrone? Is this still over the supposedly (and very much in the eye of the beholder) bitter comments he made about Tyrone during the Fermanagh game?
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
What's with all this McHugh crap? Is he public enemy no. 1 in Tyrone? Is this still over the supposedly (and very much in the eye of the beholder) bitter comments he made about Tyrone during the Fermanagh game?
Personally I have no problems with him, even after the Fermanagh. That said, it was fun seeing him eat his words last night. ;D
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
What's with all this McHugh crap? Is he public enemy no. 1 in Tyrone? Is this still over the supposedly (and very much in the eye of the beholder) bitter comments he made about Tyrone during the Fermanagh game?
"Crap"? Simple question, I'd truly like to hear what he has to say about yesterday. And no, it's not just over one previous match, but he has form where Tyrone's concerned, going back a lot further than the Fermanagh game. Why so sensitive?
Quote from: ziggysego on June 18, 2007, 01:14:24 PM
That said, it was fun seeing him [Martin Mc Hugh] eat his words last night. ;D
Didn't catch it Ziggy, what was the gist? (Though I have a good idea :D)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
What's with all this McHugh crap? Is he public enemy no. 1 in Tyrone? Is this still over the supposedly (and very much in the eye of the beholder) bitter comments he made about Tyrone during the Fermanagh game?
"Crap"? Simple question, I'd truly like to hear what he has to say about yesterday. And no, it's not just over one previous match, but he has form where Tyrone's concerned, going back a lot further than the Fermanagh game. Why so sensitive?
Just curious. Some Tyrone supporters on here were complaining about him after the last game, while Ryan McMenamin had a few words to say about him after the game yesterday. I think some of you are a bit sensitive.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Anyone been speaking to wee Martin Mc Hugh? ;D
What's with all this McHugh crap? Is he public enemy no. 1 in Tyrone? Is this still over the supposedly (and very much in the eye of the beholder) bitter comments he made about Tyrone during the Fermanagh game?
"Crap"? Simple question, I'd truly like to hear what he has to say about yesterday. And no, it's not just over one previous match, but he has form where Tyrone's concerned, going back a lot further than the Fermanagh game. Why so sensitive?
He looked a little shaky last night Fear ón Srath Bán. Said that Donegal collapse, but full credit must go to Tyrone who were unstoppable.
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 01:18:34 PM
Just curious. Some Tyrone supporters on here were complaining about him [Martin Mc Hugh] after the last game, while Ryan McMenamin had a few words to say about him after the game yesterday. I think some of you are a bit sensitive.
Not sensitive so much, but I will admit to a certain degree of
Schadenfreude where he's concerned, in particular. All part of the price of being a high-profile pundit when you take pops at teams where those teams' countyfolk feel that it's a little unjustified or over the top. He's had worse said about him I'm sure ;)
there was no comment on the tyrone penalty yesterday.....should it not have been a 14 yard free, if the goalie concedes a technical foul inside the wee square
thought someone would have mentioned it on tele, or i am totally wrong
Great performance by Tyrone yesterday and good to see them back to their best. Hope we get a crack of ye later in the summer, should make for an interesting outcome.
did anyone else think that jim carney was an absolute tool yesterday! his commentary was fkn terrible.....i hate the southern commentators discussing "typical ulster games" etc they havent a clue. getting things wrong, names wrong, calling wides/frees for reasons they obviously arent etc....really pissed me off watching the game, having to listen to those muppets
Quote from: Kerry Mike on June 18, 2007, 01:27:44 PM
Great performance by Tyrone yesterday and good to see them back to their best. Hope we get a crack of ye later in the summer, should make for an interesting outcome.
Sláinte KM, and great to be back too! ;) I have an inkling Cork will prevail in Munster this year, not that that will floor the Kingdom.
Any fouls by the defending team inside the wee square is a penalty
Ah Lads did the Fuzz not foretell ye this last Week
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3009.255 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=3009.255)
I think if we start this match like we used to do in 2003 and blow them away early with loads of fast passing moves and fast ball into FF line then Donegal could crumble. Teams expect us now to build slowly from the back and run the ball into scoring positions. My attitude is kick much more and if the FF line is making good runs into space then the pass doesnt have to be that accurate. Even if they play a sweeper just use a diff corner to kick it into
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BTW I think Dooher has the legs and watch him get better. He was awesome for us against EC but I know County is a step up. He'll be fine but a wee bit slower.
I think McGinley will struggle too against any descent FF. Is Joey injured again or just being fat and lazy?
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I can see a cracker game and maybe 2.18 to 1.17 to Tyrone.
No more negative defensive football.
What did you say Fear on Srath Ban on Friday?
..."I'll have a pint of that too please! "
Was great to watch as a Tyrone fan in the middle of a lot of Donegal fans.
Even the trip back to Dublin was smooth as no traffic and got to watch the Dubs game in nearby bar
The Monaghan locals there seem very confident of beating Derry and reckon could really put it up to us.
Was very impressed with Dooher and thought Mugsy's ball to Stevie was awesome as was his pass to Mulgrew. Best game for Mugsy since 2005 final.
Must not get carried away of course but think that should stop some of ye so called loyal fans giving out about our lack of scorers.
Very impressed that Mickey made the quick call on McGinley. Even Enda had a bad off day but I'd say training will interesting for next month.
Nice to see we can be that good without Big Sean and Stevie not that involved.
Was surprised though how Donegal just lay down after 2nd goal and had no leaders to stand up and fight(metaphoracally)
Did anyone else think Donegal were very dirty yesterday?
Did anyone see the hit Colm Cavananagh got to the stones. I saw him go down but heard later it was a punch to the gonads. Thought they targeted him a bit as did the Dubs in the NFL game. Think the attitude is to scare the young talented lads before they do any damage. Mulgrew took his goal very well though was close to too many steps I thought
Here's the match report from the lazy journalist in the Irish Indo.
They didnt even bother to put the author's name on it but it is scattered with errors and inconsistencies.
Still at least they gave it a bit more glory than they did on Sunday game and the Take your points RTE chat show
Ulster SFC semi-final
Tyrone find form
Dooher's Red Hands inflict first defeat of year on league champs
Tyrone 2-15 Donegal 1-7
DURING a break in play to allow medical attention for an injury to Donegal's Paddy Campbell, a short silence fell across St Tiernach's Park in Clones.
However, a lone voice could be heard reverberating across the field of play. Tyrone's menacing defensive presence Ryan McMenamin was using the time-out to send an important message to those in close enough proximity to hear him.
Gesturing to colleagues and clapping his hands intently, McMenamin was snarling what most of the 21,985 crowd for this Ulster semi-final were sensing.
"We have them. We have them. They can't handle it, they can't handle it," laughed McMenamin with that grin that has sent many a chastened opponent's temperature soaring.
To some there may have been an element of distaste to what he said, but he spoke the truth. They had them. Donegal couldn't handle it.
It will be Donegal's epitaph from Clones yesterday and maybe for some time to come. They finished the game with 13 players as frustration told in the actions of Colm McFadden and Kevin McMenamin in the closing stages.
McFadden felled Colm Cavanagh with a punch to the face for a straight red on 68 minutes; McMenamin, already on a booking, fired a ball at his Tyrone namesake two minutes later, netting a second yellow. Referee David Coldrick didn't realise a red card was due for more than a minute as play continued.
Any headway Donegal were making at that stage was on individual initiative. In contrast Tyrone were a team. Everything they did had team ethic written all over it, Raymond Mulgrew's goal on 52 minutes a case in point.
If there's a better construction of a goal in this year's championship then we'll be privileged to see it. The impressive Colm McCullagh's deft pass to Stephen O'Neill provided the opening, O'Neill's exchange to Owen Mulligan had Mulgrew primed in space for the killer touch. He delivered. More than that, he showed that the downpayment of potential he banked since the 2004 All-Ireland minor championship is now nearing maturity.
Spinning
Mulgrew's goal on 52 minutes pushed Tyrone 2-11 to 1-5 clear and had them spinning for the exits. Brian McIver figured they could have made the same charge after just 20 minutes, so bad were Donegal.
There weren't any explanations, only that Donegal couldn't live with Tyrone's pace. Mickey Harte offered the best and somewhat abstract reason for why Donegal collapsed.
Sometimes, mused Harte, the more you win, the closer you are to defeat. It had to happen. Donegal were sitting targets and Tyrone took lethal aim.
After winning their last 10 competitive games, defeat could come as a release of pressure for Donegal. It was only their fourth defeat in 26 competitive (league and championship) games under McIver. But it has already been a long season.
Harte warned afterwards about rising expectation. In his four previous years as manager, only one Ulster title has been claimed so the motivation for now is clear.
But their prospects have brightened. They have the right men coming right at the right time. McMenamin controlled centre-back, where he had tracked Adrian Sweeney; Conor Gormley threw the shackles on Brendan Devenney; Philip Jordan and Davy Harte got forward, Kevin Hughes had too much mobility for Neil Gallagher, while McCullagh, Mulgrew and Mulligan showed lovely touches.
But one man stood head and shoulders above them all. Brian Dooher gave a performance that belied his 32 years and, more significantly, his recent history of injuries.
He finished with five points, two off a left foot that few can remember him doing much with before, but it was his appetite that had Harte drooling afterwards.
He got the show on the road with a rare left-footed stroke and by the time he had kicked his fifth on 51 minutes, he was on his third marker, with Karl Lacey detailed to do what Eamonn McGee and Paddy McConigley had not managed.
In between, Donegal had one brief spell of dominance when they exposed Cormac McGinley's frailties by peppering Colm McFadden with quick, long ball. An modh díreach.
McFadden had the ball in the net for what looked like a superb goal after fielding above McGinley, but Coldrick had already blown for a penalty on eight minutes, which Tyrone 'keeper John Devine saved from the St Michael's man.
However, McFadden had a hand in the Donegal goal that counted two minutes later, when he spun past McGinley, floated a pass for Rory Kavanagh to catch on the edge of the square and Kavanagh put Kevin Cassidy in for another championship goal.
It provided a 1-2 to 0-2 lead, but also false security. Donegal didn't score again until added time in the half. But worse, they reverted to type, tried to work the ball in short by their more traditional route and allowed the ravenous cover to swallow them up.
By that stage the Dooher show had moved into overdrive and Tyrone had 1-6 on the board for a three-point interval lead.
The penalty from McCullagh on 34 minutes for a throw by Donegal 'keeper Paul Durcan in the square was not a harsh decision, but it is a harsh rule that penalises such an offence with a penalty.
Donegal's lethargy didn't abate after half-time. Dooher and Bonner traded points but Kevin Hughes (with what should have been a goal), Dooher again and McCullagh, from a free, opened a gap.
Donegal wilted. For Tyrone it was show time, a chance to stretch the legs. Their reassertion as prospective champions was firm and clinical.
SCORERS - Tyrone: B Dooher 0-5, C McCullagh (1-0 pen, 1f), R Mulgrew 1-1 each, O Mulligan 0-3 (2f), S O'Neill 0-2, K Hughes, D Harte, S Cavanagh 0-1 each. Donegal: K Cassidy 1-0, B Devenney (1f), C Bonner 0-2 each, K McMenamin, R Kavanagh, C McFadden all 0-1 each.
TEAMS AND PLAYER RATINGS
TYRONE - J Devine 8; D Carlin 7, C Gormley 8, C McGinley 4; D Harte 7, R McMenamin 8, P Jordan 7; K Hughes 7, S Cavanagh 7; B Dooher 9, R Mulgrew 8, E McGinley 5; C McCullagh 7, C Cavanagh 8, O Mulligan 7. Subs: J McMahon 7 for C McGinley (13), S O‘Neill 8 for E McGinley (47), R Mellon for Dooher (66).
DONEGAL - P Durcan 6; N McGee 6, P Campbell 5, K Lacey 6; P McConigley 6, B Monaghan 6, E McGee 5; N Gallagher 5, K Cassidy 7; C Bonner 7, A Sweeney 6, R Kavanagh 6; C McFadden 7, B Devenney 6, B Roper 5. Subs: K McMenamin 6 for Sweeney (47), R Bradley 5 for Roper (47), N McCready 5 for Campbell (60), S McDermott for Bonner (66).
REF - D Coldrick (Meath).
The game at a glance
Man of the match
Brian Dooher (Tyrone): He's been criticised for not having a right foot, never mind the left, from which he launched two of his five points.
Turning point
Just before half-time, Donegal 'keeper Paul Durcan was adjudged to have handled the ball on the ground in the square. Referee David Coldrick awarded the penalty, which Colm McCullagh converted for a four-point lead. Tyrone never looked back.
Talking point
Tyrone's pace blew a lethargic Donegal away. After so many injuries, they can survive without Peter Canavan and it seems, are coping without Brian McGuigan too.
They said
Mickey Harte (Tyrone manager): "They put a huge effort in since October and went through the league undefeated. The more games you go undefeated, the nearer you are to a defeat. It's going to happen some day somewhere."
Brian McIver (Donegal manager): "Tyrone were excellent, we never turned up. We were never at the races. You could have blown that match up with 20 minutes to go."
Match statistics
Wides: Tyrone 10 (5) Donegal 7 (4).
Frees: Tyrone 25 (16) Donegal 24 (13).
Yellow cards: Tyrone 1 (C McCullagh 68) Donegal 6 (B Roper 14, P McConigley 35, P Campbell 43, K McMenamin 53, 70, N Gallagher 62).
Red Cards: Donegal 2 (C McFadden 65, K McMenamin 71).
Attendance: 21,985.
What next
Tyrone advance to the Ulster final on July 15, against the winners of Monaghan and Derry. Donegal go into the All-Ireland Qualifiers.
Jaysus that is brutal reporting alright. what do they be watching?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2007, 01:40:14 PM
Ah Lads did the Fuzz not foretell ye this last Week
...
I can see a cracker game and maybe 2.18 to 1.17 to Tyrone.
No more negative defensive football.
What did you say Fear on Srath Ban on Friday?
..."I'll have a pint of that too please! "
Respect Fuzzman, maith thú, but it was more that I couldn't see Donegal getting
1-17! ;)
QuoteTyroneman have you not school in the morning, quit embarassing the sensible Tyrone posters on here with stupid posts.
Yes Tyrone were outstanding but the way you go on you would think you have won Sam already. Also I don't think the future of an Armagh team will be based on one minor team, we were not expected to beat Donegal in the minors and were beaten by a much better Tyrone team. No harm.
I have never suggested we have won Sam already, this Tyrone team is very much a work in progress and needs a settled 15 for at least 2 games to start reaching full potential.
What annoys me however is the whining Armagh posters who cannot see it in themselves to give credit where credit is due. If Donegal were so poor why did Armagh not beat them in the first round? They played no worse than they did against Tyrone.
If I could see a bit of sense from these posters then maybe I could elevate my responses accordingly.
Quotehave you not school in the morning
and you probably don't see the irony in your own remark..............................
Celebratory pints tasted good yesterday. The standing ovation after Dooher's substitution had me in goosebumps all over. His performance was flawless. Gormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard. Hub excellent energy as well. Thoroughly enjoyed from start to finish. Joey really does need to lay off the cake though. Great presence and great distribution but you need to be able to run. No trips to HQ last year. Been twice already this year for the Dubs in the league and the CBS in the Hogan. Another 3 outings will be greatly appreciated. That level of performance needs to be maintained of course.
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on June 18, 2007, 02:04:22 PM
Gormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard.
Class act.
Oh I meant to say that actually
Fair play to the GENUINE ADULT posters who congratulated Tyrone yesterday from both Armagh and Kerry as well as they other counties.
I find the best way to respond to those others sad little c***ts is with
:D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;)
Yes it was ver yironic indeed. ::)
How about trying to elevate your posts to a level that is even half credible. I don't think you would find an Armagh fan who did not think Tyrone were awesome yesterday, yet you still find it right to run down a minor team who were not even expected to be there.
By the way putting oooops at the end of each of your statements? fantastic comedy all round, bravo!
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2007, 02:09:29 PM
:D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;) :D ;D ;)
Does it ever occur to you that that is why the rest of the country finds it so difficult to warm to ye?
also, the ricey, dooher and gormley carry on, and countless similar incidents from this set of tyrone players makes it difficult for neutrals to objectively appreciate it when they produce football performances like yesterday. When that crap goes on people think "Tyrone play some stuff but i'd love to see them beaten to take them down a peg", nothing to do with jealousy as so many of you like to think.
Aye you're right Uladh
I'll have a word with the rest of the crew and tell them to be more like the mighty humble Orange Army.
Did you hear at the end of the Sunday game last night some Armagh Texter who said
"Maybe this will stop all the nonsense now and people will realise its still the Big 3. Kerry Armagh and Tyrone"
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on June 18, 2007, 02:04:22 PM
Gormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard.
Actually thought that did Conor no favours at all, esp when 10 points up. Classier to let the football do the talking.
Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2007, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on June 18, 2007, 02:04:22 PM
Gormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard.
Actually thought that did Conor no favours at all, esp when 10 points up. Classier to let the football do the talking.
Gormley is a great player no doubt and if he wasnt on that Tyrone team they would struggle at the back. Why does he always do that "grabbing opponent by the collar thing" when there is a bit of a melee?
For the record, they were very impressive yesterday, an Ulster should be a formality provided it doesnt turn into a dog fight v Derry, if its monaghan then Tyrone will win easy. Donegal gave them too much time and space and any team doing that with Tyrone is going to be out footballed. Its a long while to September though.
Saw that comment from the Armagh poster - was suprised it went unchallenged. Going into yesterdays match Armagh supporters had managed to convince themselves that they were back after the Donegal game. Surely after what Tyrone did to Donegal that puts Armaghs defeat and performance into context. Well done to the entire Tyrone camp, particularily Dooher. Somebody said there that Tommy McGuigan and Niall Gormley will walk back on the team but I really dont think so. Dont think Gormley in particular has a chance as he hasnt got the all round ability including tackling that the other forwards have. I thought Mulgrew game into the game more when it opened up in the 2nd half and might therefore be a better sub but still think he'll get the benefit of the doubt and start ahead of McGuigan. It was confirmed again yesterday that Gormley is are best full back and cente half back, Harte may decide to keep him at full back but not sure. Hughes is in top condition and played well, but every time he or Carlin shoot from distance Harte should give 1 of the players permission to give them a good slap on the jaw! Here's my stab at the team:
Devine
McMenamin
McMahon
Carlin
Harte
Gormley
Jordan
Cavanagh
Hughes
Dooher
Mulgrew
Cavanagh Jnr
Mulligan
O'Neill
McGinley
McCullagh would though be extremely unlucky to miss out because I thought he was excellent yesterday. Just picked McGinley over him for his physical presence around the middle.If T McGuigan, N Gormley and Cavlan were fit again it would leave plenty of options up front. If O'Neills knee problem is long term he may not be fit for full games this year - from a Tyrone point of view I hope he doesnt play for Clann Na Gael before the final! Wonder will that performance yesterday get a few more of the bandwagon jumpers out for the final - thought there'd have been a bigger crowd yesterday.
QuoteSaw that comment from the Armagh poster - was suprised it went unchallenged. Going into yesterdays match Armagh supporters had managed to convince themselves that they were back after the Donegal game. Surely after what Tyrone did to Donegal that puts Armaghs defeat and performance into context
Fermanagh must be a shoe in for an all-ireland final slot then.
QuoteGormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard.
QuoteActually thought that did Conor no favours at all, esp when 10 points up. Classier to let the football do the talking.
Agree, I seen him goading Gallagher, doesnt come across too well.
Very impressed with Tyrone yesterday, Dooher was absolutely magnificent, to think of the crap Colm O'Rourke talked about him back in 2003 is laughable now in retrospect.
The build up to the goal by Mulgrew was sublime football. Looks like Kerry won't have it all their own way this year thankfully, was starting to think that they would win it simply because of the dearth of challengers.
QuoteHow about trying to elevate your posts to a level that is even half credible. I don't think you would find an Armagh fan who did not think Tyrone were awesome yesterday, yet you still find it right to run down a minor team who were not even expected to be there.
By the way putting oooops at the end of each of your statements? fantastic comedy all round, bra
The original post I put up, which seems to have sparked your ire, was in direct response to a post put up by an Armagh fan (Donagh) so please check your facts before posting.
I have to admit oooops cannot compete with a rolling eyes smiley in terms of intelligent comment though. So well done sir for such an intelligent riposte.
I heard someone talking about the goading of players after they score and yes it seems to be on the increase.
I thought our discipline was much improved yesterday and noted how many times we didnt whinge at a bad decision but got back into position and then threw the ball back.
When we won a free we often took it very quickly rather than looking for yellow cards so its good this is being removed from our game.
Still think Jordan, who had a good game is terrible for winning easy free. He seems to trail his leg as a man comes to tackle him and once he gave an awful roar as he got a slap but not that hard.
Also noticed how much more big Sean was passing it earlier yesterday and with the exception of Dooher and Carlin, thought the rest released ball much faster which means when forwards make their runs at least they are getting good ball.
I'd rather meet Monaghan as I think it would a more open game. I thought the game yesterday was open and that a lot of Tyrone scores were made by players running down the middle.
Did anyone see the punch on Colm Cavanagh?
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 18, 2007, 04:44:57 PM
QuoteGormley is also a legend. Towards the end he was laughing in big Gallagher's face and pointing up to the scoreboard.
QuoteActually thought that did Conor no favours at all, esp when 10 points up. Classier to let the football do the talking.
Agree, I seen him goading Gallagher, doesnt come across too well.
Thankfully Big Neil didn't respond like McFadden and McMenamin did, or we'd be really fucked the next day.
I wasn't impressed with Gormley's laughing. He certainly wouldn't have liked it, if the shoe was on the other foot.
I felt that the goading of opposition players in the clones matches yesterday was disgraceful. Brian dooher in the second half was constantly mouthing at karl lacey rubbing in the fact that tyrone were winning easily, which there was no need for especially with dooher playing outstanding. Doohers goading ended up with him getting the box. Also colm cavanagh also has a lot of arrogance and is also guilty of mouthing to oppenents and i reckon if he keeps it up lads like aidan o' mahony, paul galvin and ciaran mckeever will take pleasure in taking him down a peg or too later in the championship. Obviously tyrone are not the only team at this i just felt from the game yesterday that they are the worst and will probably lead to more incidents like mcfaddens box on dooher later in the championship.
QuoteObviously tyrone are not the only team at this i just felt from the game yesterday that they are the worst.
Thats bollox as it's part & parcel of the modern game. All teams do it & whilst I don't agree with it, at club and inter-county level players goad one another and then when it goes wrong for either of them the other lets him know about it. Remember Donaghy goading Hearty when he scored the goal against Armagh last year? Similary McGeeney roaring "you are a w*anker" over & over again at his marker v Fermanagh last year. You always find that it's in response to something he camera hasnt seen earlier. All part of the game unfortunately.
Quote from: Over the Bar on June 18, 2007, 07:38:07 PM
QuoteObviously tyrone are not the only team at this i just felt from the game yesterday that they are the worst.
Thats bollox as it's part & parcel of the modern game. All teams do it & whilst I don't agree with it, at club and inter-county level players goad one another and then when it goes wrong for either of them the other lets him know about it. Remember Donaghy goading Hearty when he scored the goal against Armagh last year? Similary McGeeney roaring "you are a w*anker" over & over again at his marker v Fermanagh last year. You always find that it's in response to something he camera hasnt seen earlier. All part of the game unfortunately.
Agree OTB, it's an unattractive but intrinsic aspect of the modern game, and we shouldn't forget that it wasn't just yesterday's game that our lads were mouthing about -- there was baggage from the NFL meeting where the shoe was on the other foot, and the prerogative was exercised by the Donegal lads, who in turn could say that that was a hangover from the Mc Kenna Cup final, and the Tyrone lads could say that that was in response to goading from a previous... etc., etc..
it is unfortunate - you see dublin andmeath players at it as well now- what they are trying to prove is beyond me- doing nothing for the game. the fact that it is an "intrinsic" part of the game is a sad day.
We all condemn the various assaults on players, managers and referees that take place week in week out in matches up and down the country, yet we are all supposed to just shrug our shoulders and accept that goading is just an "instrinsic" part of the game?
No need for Gormley to be laughing and pointing at the scoreboard but I very much doubt Gallagher was totally innocent either, more likely Gormley was reacting to something by saying "look at the score". IIve noticed Gormley during big games in the past reacting to aggro by laughing in the face of his direct opponent. And ultimately there is no call to be punching opponents, a much more serious offence than winding somebody up!
Tyrone fans would do well to keep some perspective after yesterdays game though. Yes it was an excellent performance, best since 2005 without doubt and shows that Tyrone can still hit the heights, but it was just one game. Tyrone still have plenty to prove and whoever makes it through to the Ulster Final will certainly provide a tougher task than Donegal did yesterday. Tyrone are entitled to be far more hopeful and positive than they were before Sunday's game but talk of an AI is still premature, still plenty to prove (and a few things to work on) if we are to get back to that level.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2007, 08:08:23 PM
No need for Gormley to be laughing and pointing at the scoreboard but I very much doubt Gallagher was totally innocent either, more likely Gormley was reacting to something by saying "look at the score". IIve noticed Gormley during big games in the past reacting to aggro by laughing in the face of his direct opponent. And ultimately there is no call to be punching opponents, a much more serious offence than winding somebody up!
All true, but people get very emotional and irrational when playing. The guy who throws the punch is guilty of the more serious offense, but the fellow provoking him is not innocent by a long stretch either.
Well said LDA but if there's one man and one set of players who'll keep their feet on the ground it's Mickey Harte and Tyrone. They've been around the block so many times now. This game sharply resembles the dismantling of Cavan in 2005, which was followed by a draw and defeat to Michael Collins in the Ulster Final.
Derry will be extremely tough - throw in the Coleman factor/Bradley saga to the Derry pot and you'll be meeting a determined and dangerous side. Monaghan will play with the gay abandon borrowed from Fermanagh - a team with nowt to lose. We also need luck on the injury front and a straightforward passage, instead of the roundabout route of 2005. I'd doubt if Tyrone'll have it in them to sustain a 7-8 match campaign.
Monaghan will bring back one of my most sickening Clones memories - Nudie Hughes and 1988. When was the last Tyrone v Derry Ulster Final? I honestly cannot recall one.
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2007, 08:08:23 PM
No need for Gormley to be laughing and pointing at the scoreboard but I very much doubt Gallagher was totally innocent either, more likely Gormley was reacting to something by saying "look at the score". IIve noticed Gormley during big games in the past reacting to aggro by laughing in the face of his direct opponent. And ultimately there is no call to be punching opponents, a much more serious offence than winding somebody up!
All true, but people get very emotional and irrational when playing. The guy who throws the punch is guilty of the more serious offense, but the fellow provoking him is not innocent by a long stretch either.
Boll*x, no comparison, one might damage your confidence, the other might damage
you, and that's not to excuse the verbals, and by acknowledging the verbals as being an
intrinsic part does not mean I welcome it as a characteristic of the modern game, though an inescapable characteristic it undeniably is. Quite the reverse, but it's something that players must be able to deal with if they're to have any success. Sticks and stones.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 08:18:48 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2007, 08:08:23 PM
No need for Gormley to be laughing and pointing at the scoreboard but I very much doubt Gallagher was totally innocent either, more likely Gormley was reacting to something by saying "look at the score". IIve noticed Gormley during big games in the past reacting to aggro by laughing in the face of his direct opponent. And ultimately there is no call to be punching opponents, a much more serious offence than winding somebody up!
All true, but people get very emotional and irrational when playing. The guy who throws the punch is guilty of the more serious offense, but the fellow provoking him is not innocent by a long stretch either.
Boll*x, no comparison, one might damage your confidence, the other might damage you, and that's not to excuse the verbals, and by acknowledging the verbals as being an intrinsic part does not mean I welcome it as a characteristic of the modern game, though an inescapable characteristic it undeniably is. Quite the reverse, but it's something that players must be able to deal with if they're to have any success. Sticks and stones.
I never suggested that you approve of it, nor did I say that strikes and verbal abuse were equally serious.
That said, if some boy gets lamped for running his mouth off at his opponent in an effort to provoke him, he'll get little sympathy from me.
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 08:44:58 PM
That said, if some boy gets lamped for running his mouth off at his opponent in an effort to provoke him, he'll get little sympathy from me.
We'll agree to differ there then, no excuse for the physical, each should be man enough to take whatever verbal crap comes his way -- it's a hot kitchen.
Tyroneman leave the discussion to the adults, your fellow County men are bored of you as much as everyone else.
Well Fear, with regards to taking any amount of verbal crap, I don't know about that. There was a thread on this board no time ago about the most offensive verbals ever heard on the field of play, and whether true or myth, some of the shite thrown out by certain inter-county players would have deserved more than a box to the gub. Now I raised the point about Gormley having a laugh, and I didn't mean that to sound as though I was happy him doing it. He is a double all star and our best defender by a country mile. He earned his corn out there yesterday and I'm not going to condemn him for a wee bit of wind-up.
All relative Mr N, and perhaps I'm assuming the best in terms of the insults, where perhaps in reality they're the worst but... if you strike you're off (or should be), and then your team suffers; far better to keep a lid on it methinks. As for Gormley, totally innocuous, assuming that he was the recipient of a degree of invective from Gallagher, I doubt very much that it was a spontaneous gesture on his part.
fcukit lads, I played up at Windmill 15 years ago and I doubt if there are any "verbals" that would match that experience anywhere in 2007!!
It's not part of the modern game - psyching your opponent has always been part of the game.
Quote from: Star Spangler on June 18, 2007, 10:44:24 PM
fcukit lads, I played up at Windmill 15 years ago and I doubt if there are any "verbals" that would match that experience anywhere in 2007!!
It's not part of the modern game - psyching your opponent has always been part of the game.
Exactly!
That wasn't psyching though. Tyrone were hammering Donegal, the match was near over, and Donegal had just hit another miserable wide. I just felt it was a wee bit classless - things like that can come back to bite you, but I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. Twas no big deal.
What does this result say about Fermanagh? Harte had reiterated all week that the Erne lads are not as poor as suggested.
If it's ok to try and provoke your opponent into getting themselves sent off, why is not ok to tell the ref to book them for a foul?
Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2007, 11:06:17 PM
That wasn't psyching though.
True, though I'm assuming he was turning the other cheek, of sorts, in that particular incident, i.e., it was a reaction to Gallagher's attempt at psyching (or provoking), albeit a particularly useless ploy at that stage of the game.
QuoteTyroneman leave the discussion to the adults, your fellow County men are bored of you as much as everyone else.
You speak for the entire board then? Funny how you are the only one complaining. You also seem to have little constructive to say, can't back up any of your points and repeat yrself ad nauseum.
I would hazard a guess you have little to say for yrself beyond a clamber up to the supposed moral highground.
If it's all the same for you I will choose not to be censored by someone like yr good self.
If you don't agree with my initial posts then move on.
Failing that keep adding the wee smilies and repeating playground insults. That should reaffirm yr intelligence for those that haven't come across you on the board yet.
Did I get you wound up?.....oooooops!
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 11:07:31 PM
If it's ok to try and provoke your opponent into getting themselves sent off, why is not ok to tell the ref to book them for a foul?
Simple one: one player's word against another, i.e., unless it's within earshot of an official any verbals cannot be independently corroborated by the officials, even if they are expert lip-readers. Try to imagine refereeing in such a scenario, t'would be like a kindergarten with '
he called me a...', and '
but he said that I... ;)
QuoteDid I get you wound up?.....oooooops
Nah - enjoy a good aul spar ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
In terms of verbals I have to agree with the sentiment that it may not be pleasant but it happens all over the country in virtually every contact sport.
From u-8 upwards I have heard variations on the type of sledging that went on last Sunday. Even though it may not be very sporting players know these days it will happen and should be prepared for it.
Last year Laois went a bit over the top IMHO but what can you do.
It's when players take physical retribution that the line is crossed.I would say that McFadden knows better than anyone what his actions cost both him and (possibly) his county and if he could have that moment again...............
Where to next for Tyrone?
Difficult to say - still a lot of room for imorovement
Overall:
Devine - kick outs could be better. still shy about coming out to claim high balls
McMenamin - Back on form. Less pantomime villain, more football please Ricey.
Carlin - great game. Improving more each time. Buy some shooting boots though.
McGinley, C - thanks for the effort but time must surely be up.
Joey - class act, needs to lose some beef but has the FB slot there for the taking
Nephew - steady as always.
Block - enough said. Magnificient. Irreplaceable.
Model - reliable as always. gettgin back to the pace of County football agai. 35 championship starts in a row
Hub - vision and shooting were seriouly lacking compred to workrate. Seemed to have an obsession with scoring each time he missed, failed to pass to players in much better positions. Despite all that - Best game in a long time.
Big Sean - quietly influenced the game. Nice to see him being a wee bit quicker to pass the ball. Good to know he doesn't have to carry the team every time out.
Dooher - immense. a captains performance.
Mulgrew - got better as the game progressed. Targeted early for roughing up but stood his ground. You knew he arrived when he kept Mugsy's free in.
McGinley, E - poor game but you know he is a class act
McCullogh - showed lot of heart, played well. confidence is the key.
Wee Cavanagh - played better as 3rd MF.
Mugsy - stood up and was counted when needed. More please.
To be honest I can't see Cavlan or Gormely walking into that team. Tommy maybe but Mulgrew did just as well.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 11:38:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 11:07:31 PM
If it's ok to try and provoke your opponent into getting themselves sent off, why is not ok to tell the ref to book them for a foul?
Simple one: one player's word against another, i.e., unless it's within earshot of an official any verbals cannot be independently corroborated by the officials, even if they are expert lip-readers. Try to imagine refereeing in such a scenario, t'would be like a kindergarten with 'he called me a...', and 'but he said that I... ;)
Of course, but what I was referring to was the uproar that always ensues when a player makes a card motion to the referee (you see it in soccer frequently): he automatically gets condemned, whether he is correct or not, as if he was committing some kind of treason or betraying the code or something. Why is that never acceptable, when doing everything you can, often out of earshot of the ref, to provoke a reaction that will also result in a card is?
Quote from: tyroneman on June 18, 2007, 11:48:59 PM
It's when players take physical retribution that the line is crossed.I would say that McFadden knows better than anyone what his actions cost both him and (possibly) his county and if he could have that moment again...............
I would hope and expect that McFadden is mortified.
Any word on what length of ban he'll get? I presume a month at least, or is it an automatic three month ban for striking?
QuoteFrom u-8 upwards I have heard variations on the type of sledging that went on last Sunday. Even though it may not be very sporting players know these days it will happen and should be prepared for it.
It is part of the game today. It is a physce out attempt. Its sole purpose is to get your opponent wound up and in many cases it works. I do not approve of it but is there much difference in it that blocking an opponents run or pulling a jersey. A player will do anything to get an advantage and if a player is not experienced enough to ignore verbals, they should expect to be sent off a few times.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 18, 2007, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 18, 2007, 08:44:58 PM
That said, if some boy gets lamped for running his mouth off at his opponent in an effort to provoke him, he'll get little sympathy from me.
We'll agree to differ there then, no excuse for the physical, each should be man enough to take whatever verbal crap comes his way -- it's a hot kitchen.
I would give dooher any sympathy for the punch either, but at the end of the day he is not looking for it as he got what he desired. Who here hasn't given an opponent a wee bit of niggle, Dooher got the reaction he wanted.
I have to say it was some punch, wouldn't like to have got it myself. After all the handbag stuff we see nowadays it is a long time since I have seen a proper non nonsense strike (and no I am not condoning it) I think it is month for striking unless you have previous form
Dooher was felled three times shortly before the McFadden incident. Once when he hit the ball from the side line, the second time in the corner shortly afterwards and on the third occasion he was tripped by Gallagher while on one of his runs. And everyone yaps on about Conor Gormley smiling at an opponent. I'm glad Harte took him off as he got a tremendous reception and it saved him from further Donegal treatment. Does this photo look like anyone who is looking sympathy?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43059000/jpg/_43059091_pghartedooher.jpg)
Quote from: never kickt a ball on June 19, 2007, 01:16:00 AM
Dooher was felled three times shortly before the McFadden incident. Once when he hit the ball from the side line, the second time in the corner shortly afterwards and on the third occasion he was tripped by Gallagher while on one of his runs. And everyone yaps on about Conor Gormley smiling at an opponent. I'm glad Harte took him off as he got a tremendous reception and it saved him from further Donegal treatment. Does this photo look like anyone who is looking sympathy?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43059000/jpg/_43059091_pghartedooher.jpg)
The poor lad was lucky to escape Clones with his life! :P
I don't think anyone has said that Dooher was looking for sympathy, just that someone who got a slap after provoking a fella might not necessarily get any sympathy. The Gormley thing was brought up because an earlier poster had given the impression that he was celebrating Gormley laughing in Gallagher's face and pointing at the scoreboard, although the poster has since said he didn't mean it that way. Now I only saw the game the tv coverage, so perhaps Donegal fellas were slapping and tripping Tyrone boys all over the field and more than deserved any verbal abuse they got. You're the only one who has suggested anything like that so far.
QuoteMcGinley, E - poor game but you know he is a class act
It's interesting to see Tyrone players berating Mellon in the past for 'inept' performances, yet McGinley's position seems never questioned.
I've never been very impressed from Enda. I've seen him play numerous occasions for Tyrone & also 5 or 6 times with Errigal.
If I was a Tyrone man I'd have Mellon ahead of McGinley any day, he's quicker, more accurate & a better fielder of the ball. He also matches McGinley's work rate & is a better ball carrier. No contest IMO!
I blame soccer.
I honestly think that this resulyt and the Dubs meath 2 game head to head has lit the championship up. Armagh and Kerry will train with a little extra pomp in their step this week, knowing they can compete at that level. Derry and Mayo know they can beat Tyrone. Tyroen have shown form, Donegal had a shocker but if they can hold it together should make a quarter final at least and anything can happen from there. Teh race for the all ireland is weel and truly on. Whilst Im thrilled with Tyrone progress so far, I believe the all Ireland potentials winners enclosure is wider than it has been for many years. Pick from Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Dublin, Galway, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Derry to make an all Ireland final.
Quote from: Goats Do Shave on June 19, 2007, 08:38:32 AM
If I was a Tyrone man I'd have Mellon ahead of McGinley any day, he's quicker, more accurate & a better fielder of the ball. He also matches McGinley's work rate & is a better ball carrier. No contest IMO!
Would have to disagree there slightly GDS, IMHO Mc Ginley has consistently been one of our most effective, but most underrated, performers when he's in the groove (which he wasn't on Sunday). That's not to say, however, that when Mellon is on song it wouldn't be something of a toss-up* between the two.
Edit: * depending on the opponent and the
type of game.
QuoteIf I was a Tyrone man I'd have Mellon ahead of McGinley any day, he's quicker, more accurate & a better fielder of the ball. He also matches McGinley's work rate & is a better ball carrier. No contest IMO!
You are right it's no contest, however the other way around! EMcG is just coming back from long term injury and missed most of last season because of it, which told it's tale on Sunday. Hewas sorely missed as a target man in the 04 championship campaign and carried Tyrone duing the 04/05 league campaign as our Mr Versatility playing anywhere from no 8 to 15. Mellon has promise as a half forward but has a long way to go to reach EMcG's level.
McGinley was def the most under rated player in 2005 for Tyrone, although for me Mellon was man of the match in the AI final.
Who would Tyrone rather meet in the Ulster final....Derry or Monaghan?
As a Derry man I'd prefer to play Tyrone than Donegal, not because I think Donegal are a better team, but because I think Derry will find it easier to lift their game against Tyrone. That is provided we beat Monaghan, by no means a certainty.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2007, 11:23:51 AM
Who would Tyrone rather meet in the Ulster final....Derry or Monaghan?
Personally, I'd prefer Derry, for much the same reason as you've preferred ourselves -- don't think there'd be any shortage of motivation for the challenge.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 19, 2007, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 19, 2007, 11:23:51 AM
Who would Tyrone rather meet in the Ulster final....Derry or Monaghan?
Personally, I'd prefer Derry, for much the same reason as you've preferred ourselves -- don't think there'd be any shortage of motivation for the challenge.
I think this would be a good game...too close to call too. A lot would depend on the injury front on both sides and of course who the ref is!
Whats the latest with Paddy Bradley? Was there not talk of his ban standing after all?
From Hogan Stand...........................
Bradley in the clear
Derry's Paddy Bradley
08 June 2007
Paddy Bradley will be available for Derry's entire Ulster SFC campaign, according to newspaper reports.
The Oak Leaf County's star attacker was facing the prospect of having his 12-week ban re-imposed earlier in the week, but it is now believed that he may not even have to face the Derry Hearings Committee again.
Bradley's appeal to the Disputes Resolution Authority was referred back to the Derry board on the grounds that they breached "fair procedure". His case hung on the fact that a member of the Derry Hearings Committee was an umpire to the referee who sent Bradley off in Glenullin's league clash with Loup in April.
But it's now understood that recent comments made by Derry referees administrator Mickey Convery have prejudiced the case against the forward. Convery indicated that he expected the ban to be re-imposed and Bradley's legal representatives are set to argue that he has no chance of a fair trial as a result.
The case was due to be heard after Derry's refixed Ulster SFC quarter-final against Antrim on Sunday, but is unlikely to take place now, leaving Bradley free to play for the rest of the summer.
It was interesting to hear the analysts on the Championship bringing up the fact that it was the 10th anniversary of Paul McGirr's death and Tyrone may have performed to such a high level, with such intensity as a fitting tribute to young McGirr, or that it may have been in the forefront of their minds in the build up to the game. I imagine the oakleaf build up will be similar in many respects with the passing of Eamon Coleman, and the team will want to put in a performance as a fitting tribute to such a legend. I imagine there will be fire in the bellies next Sunday. Of course, Tyrone's performances after Cormac's death were pretty woeful, which was totally expected as it was so unexpected, such a loss and at such a young age.
Hard to believe how long it is since Derry last met Tyrone in the Ulster final.
1957 - Tyrone 1-09 Derry 0-10
As I went to school in Derry we had mad rivalry there for years up until 2002 when we really hated each other
Now Armagh have gladly taken that mantle though the sound of thon South Derry boyz Sur shuld get anyone going.
Best day out for me was when I drove 2 Derry lads and me and another Newtownstewart lad to the infamous 1995 semi final.
It was a long journey home for them lads as we stopped off at Kellys for refreshments and more singing...
We beat Derry with 13 men do dah
and there's no London in Tyrone.
Likewise I have bad memories of the 1987 Ulster final v Monaghan, as it was my first final and even though Paddy Ball played well Nudie Hughes ran the show
Hope We can stay injury free between now and then and Aghyaran behave themselves
Can you fill in the blanks
Tyrone win Ulster in 1956, ‘57, ‘73, ‘84, ‘86, ‘89, ‘95, ‘96, '01, '03
2003 Down
2001 Cavan
1996 Cavan
1995 Down
1989 Donegal
1986 Down
1984 Armagh
1973
1957 Derry
1956
Derry 1958, 1970, 1975, 1976, 1987, 1993, 1998
Fuzzman,
1973 - Down
1956 - Cavan
Quote from: tyroneman on June 19, 2007, 01:00:11 PM
From Hogan Stand...........................
Bradley in the clear
Derry's Paddy Bradley
08 June 2007
Paddy Bradley will be available for Derry's entire Ulster SFC campaign, according to newspaper reports.
The Oak Leaf County's star attacker was facing the prospect of having his 12-week ban re-imposed earlier in the week, but it is now believed that he may not even have to face the Derry Hearings Committee again.
Bradley's appeal to the Disputes Resolution Authority was referred back to the Derry board on the grounds that they breached "fair procedure". His case hung on the fact that a member of the Derry Hearings Committee was an umpire to the referee who sent Bradley off in Glenullin's league clash with Loup in April.
But it's now understood that recent comments made by Derry referees administrator Mickey Convery have prejudiced the case against the forward. Convery indicated that he expected the ban to be re-imposed and Bradley's legal representatives are set to argue that he has no chance of a fair trial as a result.
The case was due to be heard after Derry's refixed Ulster SFC quarter-final against Antrim on Sunday, but is unlikely to take place now, leaving Bradley free to play for the rest of the summer.
By all accounts Bradley will start. He had an injury but played a full part in training on Sunday.
I reckon there is no chance his ban will be re-imposed, partially because of what the link above says and partially because Crozier took him on for a few mins against Antrim. If there was any chance he'd have his ban re-imposed it would now run from when he last played a game, so playing that recently would have ruled him out of a potential Ulster Final. There's no chance Crozier would have risked not having him for that, so I reckon he already knew he would be clear to play the rest of the season.
I think with Bradley playing Derry should win by 4-5 points. If we had Kevin McGuckain playin it would be a lot more, but witout him our defence will struggle with a fast forward line like monaghan have.
Tyrone win Ulster in 1956, '57, '73, '84, '86, '89, '95, '96, '01, '03
2003 Down
2001 Cavan
1996 Cavan
1995 Down
1989 Donegal
1986 Down
1984 Armagh
1973 Down
1957 Derry
1956 Cavan
Surprisingly in the 10 Ulster titles Tyrone have that 4 were against Down and 3 v Cavan
Anyone have any stats on the finals we lost?
Fuzzman your memory's bad alright considering it was Derry and Armagh who contested the 1987 Ulster Final. Twas 1988 when Nudie made a monkey out of Aidan Skelton. Tyrone played in all red that day...the same colour as their faces at the end of the game! ;D
Tony at least they stayed to the "end of the game" not skirtin off 14 minutes before the end.
Tony, did you make it through that shopping bag of food I seen you with on Sunday? You know, when I saw you going into the minor game late...... just in time for the second half ;)
Ha Ha Ha! Just goes to show you there's always someone watching. Yes I was delayed in traffic and missed the first half of the minor game (wished I'd missed the second half as well). As for the senior game, I decided to bugger off early and miss the traffic jams as the result was a foregone conclusion, though I missed the highlight of the game...Dooher's jaw colliding with Mc Fadden's fist.
Two very disappointing games I thought. You can see why Donegal feared playing Armagh at Clones all the same.
Ziggy, in the bag was merely a couple of bottles of water, two packets of crisps and a snickers (to share) More of a snack than a feast ;D
I see some belly sticking out under that orange manternity dress you were wearing Tony. You sure it wasn't a feast? :P
As for Donegal fearing Clones.... quit grabbing at straws :D
FFS Who in their right mind wouldn't have pissed off early last Sunday, given that the match was over. Why hang around for a foregone conclusion only to spend an hour in a traffic jam.
I stayed, a lot of Tyrone supported stayed as did a hell of a lot of the Donegal supporters around me. Oh and the lone Armagh supporter too, that was sitting behind me.
I have never met the infamous Fat boy slim Tony Fearless Fearon but my image of him is now something like this
(http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/homer-simpson-fat.gif)
Wonder would Tony have stayed til the end if the score was reversed?
Tony's cape is orange :D
Tyrone totally caught me by surprise in this game, didnt expect the performance they gave, defineatly contenders for Sam. I was very surprised at Donegal, they were caught by surprise too id say and didnt perform to their high league standard when the pressure was on.
oops wrong thread
Quote from: T Fearon on June 20, 2007, 04:06:03 PM
Why hang around for a foregone conclusion only to spend an hour in a traffic jam.
To witness some
irresistibly sublime football! ;)
Quote from: Redgreenery on June 20, 2007, 05:24:21 PM
Tyrone totally caught me by surprise in this game, didnt expect the performance they gave, defineatly contenders for Sam. I was very surprised at Donegal, they were caught by surprise too id say and didnt perform to their high league standard when the pressure was on.
Donegal often have days like that when they're fancied: once things start to go wrong, the heads drop, fellas hide, no one wants to take responsibility and it turns into a massacre. For some reason our teams just can't seem to handle the pressure of being rated. Over the past few years, there was Armagh, Dublin and now Tyrone. I remember the nightmare Ulster Final in '91 when we were hot favourites to beat Down, but got taken to the cleaners by Mickey Linden. Monaghan produced their only notable performance of the mid-90s by hammering us in Ballybofey when their young team was expected to be easily beaten. Its the first time its happened under McIver in a meaningful game, so it will be interesting to see how he and the team react. While I don't want Armagh under any circumstances, a tough enough draw in the qualifiers would probably be useful.
QuoteDonegal often have days like that when they're fancied
The fact is most teams are affected by the favourites tag. That's a point I made earlier in this thread - it's a lot easier getting to the top than staying there. That's why I'd have a lot of respect for Kerry.
J70, I don't agree - do you not think we need as easy a game as possible to get the lads back winning again and building confidence ?
We weren't short in leaders and confidence against Mayo in Croke Park when it really mattered - people can say it was only league but let nobody say that it was not a game of huge significance to Donegal - its still a mystery why they were so fragile on Sunday. It reminded me of the 2nd half of the McKenna cup game earlier in the year.
Wappa, Toye, Hegarty, Doherty, Dunnion and McCready will all come into the frame for the next day I guess. Maybe starting Eddie isnt the answer after all.
Personally I hope we avoid an Ulster team.
Yes, there's obviously an argument to be made for meeting one of the weaker teams. That does not guarantee anything either however. Remember Cavan two years ago? We stood back and let them run rings around us, before Devenney almost single-handedly clawed back an 8 or 9 point lead and missed a last minute penalty. We seem to rise to the occasion more when we're written off, so I would think we'd give most of the better teams that are in the draw a damn good game. Getting a facile win against a poor team isn't going to do us much good, in my opinion, although I doubt if any of the other teams are just going to lie down.
And yes, we pulled it out in the end in Croke Park, but there were warning signs that day too in the way we let Mayo get the better of midfield in the second half. I don't know what McIver is going to do about that situation. Who would you drop to bring all those lads in?
Dunnion will obviously go back into the half-backs, although I'd be tempted to move Cassidy back to wing-back as well in place of McConigley, or maybe swap him with Barry Monaghan. Would you be brining McCready in for Paddy Campbell? Presumably you'd be sticking Neil McGee in at full-back then? What six forwards would you be going with? Wappa, Toye, Hegarty, Doherty and who? Devenney presumably, and Rory Kavanagh? Ciaran Bonner? I can't see Doherty and McMenamin playing, along with Devenney.
I dont think he should or will go with wholesale changes, but I'd say Wappa comes in for McFadden, and Toye comes in for Sweeney... Definitely an argument for putting Cassidy to the half back line, possibly CHB - then what do you do with Barry M (who I thought got destroyed on Sunday despite Jim Carney's opposite opinion) - midfield perhaps... ?
Maybe play Rory K closer to the goals, allowing us to play the more direct ball in. I'd only play Hegarty if the opposition suits (ie. not Armagh)
Donegal were in the reverse position of 2004 - Donegal were underdogs then with nothing to lose - Tyrone were underdogs last week with no great expectations from the game - Donegal were really on a hiding to nothing -
Surely Sunday proved Donegal were over hyped. In their two games to date, they have been outplayed by both Armagh and Tyrone, and are as far away as ever from being Ulster Title challengers never mind All Ireland. I actually thought they played a hell of a lot better against Armagh in last year's Ulster Final (when they lost) against Armagh than they did this year in the Ballybofey quarter final
This is the real test now for Donegal. I had my suspicions that they had peaked already this season in the NFL, so the break now might just be what's needed to restore energy, drive and morale. Brian Mc Ivor and the backroom boys will have their hands full, but they shouldn't be written off.
Well just back from Cyprus last nite and thought I'd put in my two pence worth. Watched the match in a great wee Irish pub in Ayia Napa.
Most of this has already been said. Firstly at last Devine looked safe between the posts. Had heart in my month when he came over the top of Mcginley and Devenney to punch away. Memories of McConnell against Mayo in the league came flooding back. Other than that very assured.
Once McGinley went of I thought the fulll back line done well. It looked to me that the Donegal Forwards sort of ran out of puff.
Gormely was brilliant again and an injury to him would be every bit as bad as the loss of McGugian.
cavanagh wasn't his usual self but it was good that when he had a dip in form the rest of the team took up the task. For he's carried us far enough.
Hughes was an unusal one. Some great grafting and covered some ground but just his decision making/ shooting was poor. There's been enough said about Dooher and mulgrew. Both very good. McGinley just wasn't himself but hopefully that game will have brought him on. He's still a very valuable player for Tyrone.
McCullagh looked ok, never had any doubts over the penalty!! Mulligan showed well and was more involved than he's been in a while and hopefully that will give him the confidence boost that he'll need.
So a fine performance, one that was badly needed. Hopefully that will get the drive and support behind the team going again. Would love to get an Ulster again as it's been a while. But they'll need to keep up the improvements if we're to be involved in anything other than spectating come September.
Quote from: supersarsfields on June 21, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
It looked to me that the Donegal Forwards sort of ran out of puff.
If they did it wasn't because they were too busy! I think the forwards (at least the full forwards) were the least of our worries on Sunday. The ball didn't cross the Tyrone 65 for long stretches!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 21, 2007, 11:17:52 AM
Surely Sunday proved Donegal were over hyped. In their two games to date, they have been outplayed by both Armagh and Tyrone, and are as far away as ever from being Ulster Title challengers never mind All Ireland. I actually thought they played a hell of a lot better against Armagh in last year's Ulster Final (when they lost) against Armagh than they did this year in the Ballybofey quarter final
Donegal are a better side than they were last year. They went into almost every game last year as strong underdog. The difference this year is the expectation, which never sits well with Donegal teams, and perhaps a draining league. But I agree that we're still a good way off being serious title challengers.
Sweeney mde a great impact sub all year - why not last Sunday ? Don't get me wrong, I thought he was great player, but the legs aren't there for a full 70 - 80 mins championship football.
Quote from: orangeman on June 21, 2007, 01:41:57 PM
Sweeney mde a great impact sub all year - why not last Sunday ? Don't get me wrong, I thought he was great player, but the legs aren't there for a full 70 - 80 mins championship football.
I said to the other half* just before the throw-in that Sweeney would run of out puff not long into the game, if he ever got up to speed at all. He is not, any longer, a player who can be thrown in at the start of a game of any intensity. He's effective as an impact sub because the opposition lads have already dropped a notch or two in intensity by the time he's introduced, so he's still (relatively) fresh by comparison.
(* Bean ón Srath Bán, who said as the teams paraded: "Who's that lad [Sweeney], he looks knackered already!" ;))
Quote from: J70 on June 21, 2007, 01:40:57 PM
Donegal are a better side than they were last year. They went into almost every game last year as strong underdog. The difference this year is the expectation, which never sits well with Donegal teams, and perhaps a draining league. But I agree that we're still a good way off being serious title challengers.
Not coping with the favourites tag is a cop out. Its not a claim i ever liked hearing about armagh because it translate as "don't have any bottle".
Being the eternal optimist that I am, I still feel that Donegal can make an impact in this years Championship, we still have a great manager and excellent players, but have had one poor and one disasterous games.
Hopefully in our next match we will not be favourites and the oppostion underestimate our threat.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on June 22, 2007, 10:37:45 AM
Being the eternal optimist that I am, I still feel that Donegal can make an impact in this years Championship...
Wouldn't disagree with you there GDA, this Donegal team is cut from a different cloth; where before that might have been the end of it for the year, but with the people now involved, it could be something of a renaissance. I wouldn't fancy drawing you first game in the qualifiers, and thankfully, we won't.
I would agree.
Donegal have not become a bad team overnight
Always amazes me how pundits usually comment on a team largely on results and not performance.
After the 2005 AI, everyone was going on about the structures in place in Tyrone and how they have this conveyor belt of talent.
They talked about how Kerry have been found out and how they must come up with new tactics to out do the Ulster style of play and that do they need to start going back door from now on to get more competitive matches.
One year on and they had a big FF ala Bomber Liston and all was rosey again.
I think Donegal believed all their own hype and the media had them in the final already and all the fans were talking of an AI and not beating Tyrone at all
As Mickey Harte said once, its from losing matches that you learn the most and I reckon Donegal, depending on the draw can get back on track though they'll miss McFadden.
Just curious but who exactly is 'wappa'???? (and why?)
Quote from: tyroneman on June 24, 2007, 05:19:31 PM
Just curious but who exactly is 'wappa'???? (and why?)
Kevin McMenamin. I've no idea how he got the nickname.