What a player!! Surely the Aussies will steal him?
Saw him in action.
Very like Fr. Dermo from Fr. Ted.
What a player though.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 21, 2017, 11:10:34 AM
Saw him in action.
Very like Fr. Dermo from Fr. Ted.
What a player though.
Hah!
I wonder is he an Oasis or Blur man?
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Seniors should be open to all ages. It's only a very special player that would be deemed good enough to play senior anyway whilst still in minor grade.
It should be re-termed over 18's instead of senior.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Seniors should be open to all ages. It's only a very special player that would be deemed good enough to play senior anyway whilst still in minor grade.
It should be re-termed over 18's instead of senior.
Nonsense. The rule is there to protect players, just as the one preventing 17 year-olds playing senior club is.
Seriously regressive thinking on your part.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2017, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Seniors should be open to all ages. It's only a very special player that would be deemed good enough to play senior anyway whilst still in minor grade.
It should be re-termed over 18's instead of senior.
Nonsense. The rule is there to protect players, just as the one preventing 17 year-olds playing senior club is.
Seriously regressive thinking on your part.
I don't have an issue at club level, I can understand this. However at senior intercounty level the issue is not one of protection, the player would not be selected in the first instance if he wasn't deemed suitably conditioned. Clifford would not look out of place physically on a senior squad and has the ability to go along with it.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2017, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2017, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Seniors should be open to all ages. It's only a very special player that would be deemed good enough to play senior anyway whilst still in minor grade.
It should be re-termed over 18's instead of senior.
Nonsense. The rule is there to protect players, just as the one preventing 17 year-olds playing senior club is.
Seriously regressive thinking on your part.
I don't have an issue at club level, I can understand this. However at senior intercounty level the issue is not one of protection, the player would not be selected in the first instance if he wasn't deemed suitably conditioned. Clifford would not look out of place physically on a senior squad and has the ability to go along with it.
One rule for one and another for someone else does not work.
Why have any rules? To prevent abuse.
Quote from: Syferus on August 22, 2017, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 22, 2017, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 22, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
Mossy Quinn said on Twitter something along the lines of:
You'd wonder if Kerry might have been tempted to put Cifford on the subs bench for the replay, if it wasn't against the rules
Why would it be against the rules to call him up?
Minors can't play IC Senior.
Seniors should be open to all ages. It's only a very special player that would be deemed good enough to play senior anyway whilst still in minor grade.
It should be re-termed over 18's instead of senior.
Nonsense. The rule is there to protect players, just as the one preventing 17 year-olds playing senior club is.
Seriously regressive thinking on your part.
hope you're not your club's secretary !
Indeed
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 22, 2017, 03:50:16 PM
Indeed
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Is that 18 up or you have to be older ie 19 up?
From the 1st of January. i.e. you have to be in your last year Minor before you can play senior club, and you have to be over Minor to play Senior I.C.
Clifford will make an excellent roving half-back for some VFL team for about six weeks before suffering a catastrophic injury that destroys his career.
When did that rule change?
Another reason why we will never see the likes of Benny Coulter ever again...
That's a few years now I think. Maybe came into effect this year, but was passed two years ago? Something like that.
Anyone know Cliffords DOB?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 22, 2017, 04:43:52 PM
Anyone know Cliffords DOB?
Why? He's not eligible because he's U18 this year. You have to be OVER 18 on January 1st 2017. If he was over 18 on the 1st January, he'd be overage for County Minor.
I think Paddy Mc Brearty was the last minor to play senior.
Minors are not permitted to play senior county now.
Minors over 17, while still in the championship are not permitted to play club league but can play club championship
What club is with?
I'd imagine he's done some damage on the club scene around Kerry!
Did he play sigerson the year just past?
Did he not just do the leaving?
I thought he was at IT Tralee and assumed he skipped the transition year.
Not a David Clifford post per sé, but are there any other counties doing away with the minor grade next year? I have been told that Mayo are discontinuing with it. I think it's very unfair on those in their first year minor this year, that next year all they will have is adult football. Especially if they don't turn 18 until December or the back end of the year. Any other opinions on this?
This is a seriously stupid rule, typical shortsighted kneejerk reaction of the modern Gaa to address an issue that keeps being highlighted in the media, in this case 'burnout', without any thought of what the negative consequences might be for 100's of 17 year old players who have spent the last 3 months playing the odd minor match. And in Derry I mean an odd match, 2 or 3 games all summer.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 23, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
This is a seriously stupid rule, typical shortsighted kneejerk reaction of the modern Gaa to address an issue that keeps being highlighted in the media, in this case 'burnout', without any thought of what the negative consequences might be for 100's of 17 year old players who have spent the last 3 months playing the odd minor match. And in Derry I mean an odd match, 2 or 3 games all summer.
The rule is full justifiable. You're complaining about the schedule - the solution isn't to fire kids into combat against 30 year-old men..
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 23, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
This is a seriously stupid rule, typical shortsighted kneejerk reaction of the modern Gaa to address an issue that keeps being highlighted in the media, in this case 'burnout', without any thought of what the negative consequences might be for 100's of 17 year old players who have spent the last 3 months playing the odd minor match. And in Derry I mean an odd match, 2 or 3 games all summer.
In Derry clubs have played almost all their minor games. Unless you are referring to lads not starting for the county minors.
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=44253&leagueTable=Y
Yes they have indeed, and how many games is that since the exam break in May June? The A minor play 9 league games in total, it started on 3rd April which is 22 weeks ago, so they are playing an average of .4 games per week. There have been 4 rounds of the league since resuming after the exam break.
How on earth is that going to be enough games to develop a 17 year old? Or to keep him interested in training? Looks like it is designed to piss lads off and send them to other sports.
Quote from: Keyser soze on August 23, 2017, 02:58:01 PM
Yes they have indeed, and how many games is that since the exam break in May June? The A minor play 9 league games in total, it started on 3rd April which is 22 weeks ago, so they are playing an average of .4 games per week. There have been 4 rounds of the league since resuming after the exam break.
How on earth is that going to be enough games to develop a 17 year old? Or to keep him interested in training? Looks like it is designed to piss lads off and send them to other sports.
What the solution Keyser? Double the league games and play away without county players?
Mark Lynch came on as a sub against Kerry back in the all-irleand semi against Kerry back in 2004 (Tyrone put the Derry minor out earlier in the year)
larry Tompkins played county senior at 16
I'm nearly sure Jack o shea played minor and was on the senior panel at least in the same day.
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2017, 07:15:36 AM
I'm nearly sure Jack o shea played minor and was on the senior panel at least in the same day.
It was Charlie Nelligan in 1975.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on August 25, 2017, 07:16:43 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 25, 2017, 07:15:36 AM
I'm nearly sure Jack o shea played minor and was on the senior panel at least in the same day.
It was Charlie Nelligan in 1975.
Think Benny Coulter played in both the Ulster Minor & Senior finals in 1999.
Paddy McBrearty played for seniors and minors the same day I think. Cian Mackey made senior debut for Cavan while still a minor.
Beano McDonald,Donie Brennan and Donie Kingston(all first cousins) played senior and minor in the one year for Laois though not on same team
I could be wrong here but I have a vague memory of Diarmuid Marsden and/or Des Mackin being on an Armagh minor and senior squad in the same year? Is this right?
I mind Raymie Gallagher playing in the minor and senior game for Fermanagh - was it agin Armagh? - on the same day, mid 90's maybe.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2017, 11:39:19 AM
I could be wrong here but I have a vague memory of Diarmuid Marsden and/or Des Mackin being on an Armagh minor and senior squad in the same year? Is this right?
1993 for the year of the replay
I think James McCartan jr scored two goals v Armagh as a minor and Benny Coulter played minor and senior on the same day. Not 100% sure though
Frank McGuigan.
I think Ger Cavlan played for Tyrone seniors as well when still a minor
Niall McNamee made his debut for Offaly in Portlaoise as a minor.
Jimmy Burke for Mayo, I think.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 25, 2017, 04:53:18 PM
I think Ger Cavlan played for Tyrone seniors as well when still a minor
was definitely a minor when he made his senior debut.
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2017, 11:37:20 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 25, 2017, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 25, 2017, 04:53:18 PM
I think Ger Cavlan played for Tyrone seniors as well when still a minor
was definitely a minor when he made his senior debut.
It's not the size of the....
Oh, forget it.
;D
yes both Marsden and Mackin played county minor and senior in the same year, 1993 i think when they had their 6 game run
So are we in agreement that he's the best minor ever? That was ridiculous today.
Quote from: JimStynes on September 17, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
So are we in agreement that he's the best minor ever? That was ridiculous today.
He has everything, two footed, great in the air, strong and ridiculously skilful.
Different league. Only a minor bit I've Never seen a player of such quality at any level of football. His mobility and skill in tight space was a joy to watch.
Quote from: 6th sam on September 17, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
Different league. Only a minor bit I've Never seen a player of such quality at any level of football. His mobility and skill in tight space was a joy to watch.
+1. It would be a crime against humanity if he went and played a game as unskilled as aussie rules.
Soon to be the first official professional gaelic footballer!
Quote from: JimStynes on September 17, 2017, 09:58:02 PM
Soon to be the first official professional gaelic footballer!
Larry Tompkins?
Quote from: JimStynes on September 17, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
So are we in agreement that he's the best minor ever? That was ridiculous today.
He's almost as good as Beano McDonald - that's the highest praise I can give him.
http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/bbarry/david-clifford-aussie-rules-radar/
You ok, Jinxy?
Clifford is a freak at minor, a lot of people would say he's the best they've ever seen at that age level.
I don't think he'll go to AFL. I actually don't think he would make it there as his style is very languid and probably wouldn't suit the game. I also think his dominance at minor will not be replicated at senior as one of the main reasons he's been so lethal at minor is his size - we've all seen these type of guys before who look the part underage but when other players catch up with them physically as they age then it's not as big a gap.
Some feat though, think Kerry should be careful about integrating him - they should have him on the panel next year but I don't think he'll be ready for the business end stage of Championship football for another two years. Very few make the breakthrough now out of minor - they physicality required ensures that.
Saw a great hashtag yesterday.
#splitdavidclifford
The lad looks like he was designed by a GAA computer. The fecker has everything and I hope to see 10+ years of him at senior inter county level.
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 17, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
Different league. Only a minor bit I've Never seen a player of such quality at any level of football. His mobility and skill in tight space was a joy to watch.
+1. It would be a crime against humanity if he went and played a game as unskilled as aussie rules.
was never really bothered about players going out to Australia before now, but the GAA really needs this guy to stay in Ireland.
Quote from: clarshack on September 18, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 17, 2017, 09:33:10 PM
Different league. Only a minor bit I've Never seen a player of such quality at any level of football. His mobility and skill in tight space was a joy to watch.
+1. It would be a crime against humanity if he went and played a game as unskilled as aussie rules.
was never really bothered about players going out to Australia before now, but the GAA really needs this guy to stay in Ireland.
#gizajob
Did I not see a tweet from Clifford saying he was off to Sydney Swans or was I dreaming?
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 18, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
He might have to transfer to Dublin to get that!
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 18, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
I wouldn't be okay with that. I have no bother with the GAA helping him out getting a job, like all the GAA lads in the banks, but you can't start paying lads to stop them going to Australia. I read something from Kerry there recently which worried me a little bit in how it was worded, because it sounded very like what you're saying DK.
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 18, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
I wouldn't be okay with that. I have no bother with the GAA helping him out getting a job, like all the GAA lads in the banks, but you can't start paying lads to stop them going to Australia. I read something from Kerry there recently which worried me a little bit in how it was worded, because it sounded very like what you're saying DK.
That's the question AZ.
Currently co boards 'assist' with securing jobs and intervening with employers for flexibility around training, etc. Most counties have 2/3 that fall into that category but the better financed (and invariably more successful) counties go a little further in terms of the nature and depth of that support.
Of course Dublin have a player support approach that requires resources, staff time and a certain amount of networking / influence that extends to the very bottom of the panel.
Kerry will need all the talent that is available to them to try to bridge the gap to the top table - if David Clifford comes along and says he has an offer of a professional contract and the associated lifestyle but would seriously consider staying at home if there was something to stay for, what are they to do? What will Kerry supporters want them to do?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
He looks to be as tall and as athletic as Conor Glass, can kick off both feet, seems to have a good footballing brain (eg the pass for the 2nd Kerry goal) and can field a ball well. What do you think he is lacking? Bulk? I'm sure a pro S&C regime would soon sort that out!
Quote from: doodaa on September 18, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
He looks to be as tall and as athletic as Conor Glass, can kick off both feet, seems to have a good footballing brain (eg the pass for the 2nd Kerry goal) and can field a ball well. What do you think he is lacking? Bulk? I'm sure a pro S&C regime would soon sort that out!
He's a better natural footballer than the 3 lads I listed, no question. Better athlete? I don't think he is. Be a real shame if he's lost to Oz.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 18, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
I wouldn't be okay with that. I have no bother with the GAA helping him out getting a job, like all the GAA lads in the banks, but you can't start paying lads to stop them going to Australia. I read something from Kerry there recently which worried me a little bit in how it was worded, because it sounded very like what you're saying DK.
AZ - how much are you ok with? The guys playing yesterday are all officially getting 4/5k as it stands. Plus many other benefits. That's the reality. Good luck to them, game yesterday was a credit to them all. Makes me laugh when the Croke Park guys talk about the amateur ethos - it's a long time gone. We need to go one way or the other but this "shamateurism" at present is a bit embarrassing.
I'd love the games to be properly amateur but I think that can't be the case with so much money now involved and so many people paid for their services.
You're talking about the GPA negotiated grants?
I'm okay with county boards helping players get jobs. I'm okay with county boards employing lads as GDAs etc if they are qualified. I'm okay with county boards setting up services like interview coaching, CV help etc.
I'm not okay with county boards directly paying players to play.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 11:57:07 AM
You're talking about the GPA negotiated grants?
I'm okay with county boards helping players get jobs. I'm okay with county boards employing lads as GDAs etc if they are qualified. I'm okay with county boards setting up services like interview coaching, CV help etc.
I'm not okay with county boards directly paying players to play.
Yes, the Sports Council money that's additional expenses or a grant depending what side of your mouth you're talking. It's money for playing intercounty football/hurling. Maybe we should get a bigger additional expenses/grant for David Clifford due to his cultural significance and we can pretend it's not pay for play?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
Young Brown from Derry is a ready made aussie rules player.
Moreso than Clifford.
Quote from: doodaa on September 18, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
He looks to be as tall and as athletic as Conor Glass, can kick off both feet, seems to have a good footballing brain (eg the pass for the 2nd Kerry goal) and can field a ball well. What do you think he is lacking? Bulk? I'm sure a pro S&C regime would soon sort that out!
He's too languid, he'd want too much time on the ball in AFL.
There is a relative art to tackling in GAA compared to AFL where you just drag a lad to the ground.
Great player and I don't think Kerry will lose him to AFL as he looks an out and out Gaelic footballer to me and not an obvious powerful explosive based player suited to AFL.
Kerry will do what has to be done to keep him at home.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2017, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Personally I don't think he would make it at AFL.
He's obviously the best minor this last 20 odd years but physically I'm no so sure if he's suited as say someone like Mark O'Connor, Conor McKenna, Conor Glass.
Young Brown from Derry is a ready made aussie rules player.
Moreso than Clifford.
Jesus Brown is a beast...how the hell did he not start??!
Clifford...omg.
Class..was a joy to see in person yesterday
Is he in college yet? I'd imagine a big competition re scholarship and Sigerson.
Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2017, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 18, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
An absolute joy to watch. Hopefully Kerry can help see off the Australian advances.....hope this lad is playing for Kerry for years to come.
The fundamental question here is what people are willing to accept in terms of how far Kerry can go to keep him here.
If Kerry put E40,000 per annum and a car for the next 5 years in front of him in return for promotional work and use of his image and likeness would everyone be okay with that?
He might have to transfer to Dublin to get that!
I'd say the " the
Kerry Group" would be more than able to match anything that Dublin can do
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
Is he in college yet? I'd imagine a big competition re scholarship and Sigerson.
He already has a year under his belt in Tralee IT. Presuming he passed his exams he will be starting 2nd year now.
More to the point how come he wasnt starting on the Kerry minor team 2 years ago? Kerry with 4 all ireland winning teams got roughly the pick of 50-60 players to bring the Kerry seniors to the fore in 4-5yrs and take over Dublins mantle
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
More to the point how come he wasnt starting on the Kerry minor team 2 years ago? Kerry with 4 all ireland winning teams got roughly the pick of 50-60 players to bring the Kerry seniors to the fore in 4-5yrs and take over Dublins mantle
U16's are not allowed played inter-county minor.
Think Clifford's education in Tralee IT was a one year Sports Management thing...see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MIt0lbfL4
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 19, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
More to the point how come he wasnt starting on the Kerry minor team 2 years ago? Kerry with 4 all ireland winning teams got roughly the pick of 50-60 players to bring the Kerry seniors to the fore in 4-5yrs and take over Dublins mantle
U16's are not allowed played inter-county minor.
Think Clifford's education in Tralee IT was a one year Sports Management thing...see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MIt0lbfL4
Any Bsc is at least three years full-time..
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 01:11:20 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 19, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
More to the point how come he wasnt starting on the Kerry minor team 2 years ago? Kerry with 4 all ireland winning teams got roughly the pick of 50-60 players to bring the Kerry seniors to the fore in 4-5yrs and take over Dublins mantle
U16's are not allowed played inter-county minor.
Think Clifford's education in Tralee IT was a one year Sports Management thing...see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MIt0lbfL4
Any Bsc is at least three years full-time..
You are correct...3 years for the B.Sc. in Health and Leisure, plus an extra year for the Honours Degree programme - Sports Development.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on September 19, 2017, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 10:47:02 PM
More to the point how come he wasnt starting on the Kerry minor team 2 years ago? Kerry with 4 all ireland winning teams got roughly the pick of 50-60 players to bring the Kerry seniors to the fore in 4-5yrs and take over Dublins mantle
That's what the countryneeds. Another gym manager
U16's are not allowed played inter-county minor.
Think Clifford's education in Tralee IT was a one year Sports Management thing...see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MIt0lbfL4
Sounds like he's staying put which is good news not just for Kerry fans but for all GAA supporters.
Playing senior will burn his two years of U20 eligibility. Jacko v Eamonn in a very literal sense now with a bunch of underage players in Kerry.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
Quote from: Syferus on October 07, 2017, 04:25:39 PM
Playing senior will burn his two years of U20 eligibility. Jacko v Eamonn in a very literal sense now with a bunch of underage players in Kerry.
Only Roscommon worry about u20 football. Kerry are in the business of senior all irelands
Quote from: INDIANA on October 07, 2017, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 07, 2017, 04:25:39 PM
Playing senior will burn his two years of U20 eligibility. Jacko v Eamonn in a very literal sense now with a bunch of underage players in Kerry.
Only Roscommon worry about u20 football. Kerry are in the business of senior all irelands
Are they, though?
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
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If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
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If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
Syfīn has edited his post to make sense. The original didnt :D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
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If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
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If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
What clubs are looking for U20s in January and February again, Zulu?
This was intended to benefit third level, not clubs.
Once it stops burn out of players it's fine with me.
I presume the Hastings will now be moved from January to April?
As for Clifford - I knew the kutehoors would make sure he'd stay ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2017, 12:16:58 AM
Once it stops burn out of players it's fine with me.
I presume the Hastings will now be moved from January to April?
As for Clifford - I knew the kutehoors would make sure he'd stay ;)
And there are plenty boys above in Garvaghy saying " ok Clifford bring it on"
Meanwhile the R.T.E. love in with Kerry will try and make him the next Hooch
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
Yes a so what for someone like you who couldn't care less that a very popular and enjoyable grade will be diluted from 2018. A long overdue step i don't think so more of a long term mission by one man to get rid of this grade.
30 Inter County U21 Championship games per annum - total attendances? ? 50K? ?
Not that awful popular.....
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2017, 01:02:20 AM
30 Inter County U21 Championship games per annum - total attendances? ? 50K? ?
Not that awful popular.....
Higher attendances than most senior league and championship qualifier games tells you how popular U21 county was. U20 grade will be played in the height of summer how is that scheduling looking into the interest of clubs?
Quote from: Syferus on October 08, 2017, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
What clubs are looking for U20s in January and February again, Zulu?
This was intended to benefit third level, not clubs.
It's not being played in January and February.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2017, 01:00:27 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
Yes a so what for someone like you who couldn't care less that a very popular and enjoyable grade will be diluted from 2018. A long overdue step i don't think so more of a long term mission by one man to get rid of this grade.
Complete nonsense. Diluted, what the hell does that mean? The GAA are actually making some tough decisions to improve the lot of young talented players and the clubs and anyone with a drop of sense would be supporting it.
Quote from: Zulu on October 08, 2017, 02:19:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 08, 2017, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
What clubs are looking for U20s in January and February again, Zulu?
This was intended to benefit third level, not clubs.
It's not being played in January and February.
Well done missing the point, Paraic.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 08, 2017, 12:16:58 AM
Once it stops burn out of players it's fine with me.
I presume the Hastings will now be moved from January to April?
As for Clifford - I knew the kutehoors would make sure he'd stay ;)
He was never leaving this year. Half way through third level. He might never leave but who knows in a year or two.
Quote from: Zulu on October 08, 2017, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2017, 01:00:27 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you’re on the senior panel you can’t play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
Yes a so what for someone like you who couldn't care less that a very popular and enjoyable grade will be diluted from 2018. A long overdue step i don't think so more of a long term mission by one man to get rid of this grade.
Complete nonsense. Diluted, what the hell does that mean? The GAA are actually making some tough decisions to improve the lot of young talented players and the clubs and anyone with a drop of sense would be supporting it.
His view differs from yours makes it complete nonsense does it? The best players not allowed to play in competition will make the U20 championship diluted surely that is easy to understand. Believe it or not there is still a lot of 18 to 20 year olds at senior level that don't realize they aren't up to it or ready for senior level until they are ruffled up.
U-21 level was fine competition to bridge the gap from minor to senior. Next year you could have a scenario that David Clifford plays just one NFL game in February and that would rule him out of the U20 grade in June. U21 Hurling was kept no "tough" decision needed to scrap that. On burn out college football was more responsible for that and strangely remains untouched.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 08, 2017, 03:11:37 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 08, 2017, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 08, 2017, 01:00:27 AM
Quote from: Zulu on October 07, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 07, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
???????
If you're on the senior panel you can't play u20
U21 grade was so popular and enjoyable because the best players played in that competition. U20 will soon lose the interest of the general public if players of the quality of David Clifford aren't allowed to play in it.
So what? We can't complain about burnout and clubs not getting access to their players and keep what wasn't working. This is a long overdue step by the GAA.
Yes a so what for someone like you who couldn't care less that a very popular and enjoyable grade will be diluted from 2018. A long overdue step i don't think so more of a long term mission by one man to get rid of this grade.
Complete nonsense. Diluted, what the hell does that mean? The GAA are actually making some tough decisions to improve the lot of young talented players and the clubs and anyone with a drop of sense would be supporting it.
His view differs from yours makes it complete nonsense does it? The best players not allowed to play in competition will make the U20 championship diluted surely that is easy to understand. Believe it or not there is still a lot of 18 to 20 year olds at senior level that don't realize they aren't up to it or ready for senior level until they are ruffled up.
U-21 level was fine competition to bridge the gap from minor to senior. Next year you could have a scenario that David Clifford plays just one NFL game in February and that would rule him out of the U20 grade in June. U21 Hurling was kept no "tough" decision needed to scrap that. On burn out college football was more responsible for that and strangely remains untouched.
Not sure if that is true. My understanding was if a U20 player is listed on a championship squad of 26, he cannot play U20 that year. Maybe someone can clarify.
Best forward in the country. Aside from the sending off gave an exhibition of point scoring.
He's heading for burnout.
Wouldn't be surprised if he picks up a series injury.
No angel either. That's all.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 11, 2020, 09:38:06 AM
He's heading for burnout.
Wouldn't be surprised if he picks up a series injury.
No angel either. That's all.
Thats all?
So he's destined for a stretch in limbo, possibly Hell (eternity), burnt out and with a serious injury on top.
I suppose it could be worse :D
;D
Quote from: Kingdom37 on February 11, 2020, 08:36:56 AM
Best forward in the country. Aside from the sending off gave an exhibition of point scoring.
He has faded quite a bit the in second half of each of Kerry's league games so far, but because it's hard to get a grounded appraisal of him it doesn't get mentioned.
Quote from: Kingdom37 on February 11, 2020, 08:36:56 AM
Best forward in the country. Aside from the sending off gave an exhibition of point scoring.
Is he tho? Ether than say mannion or O'Callaghan for example
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
I genuinely feel sorry for him.
Seriously talented footballer but the hype is ridiculous, Marty Morrissey is running out of superlatives with him even a simple score is treated like a score from the gods.
He should never have made Captain and if Kerry were serious about the Championship they should have given him the league off and worked on a defensive system. Peter Keane like all managers has an ego, he's not doing Clifford any favours.
Decent year.
(https://i.ibb.co/Q9t9sjL/Screenshot-20230115-154618-2.png) (https://ibb.co/b1D1pRT)
Some player.
How can he win Kerry senior and premier junior championships? Is the club not one or the other?
Quote from: CK_Redhand on January 15, 2023, 10:10:55 PM
How can he win Kerry senior and premier junior championships? Is the club not one or the other?
Won junior with his club and senior with divisional team
Have seen a lot of quality forwards in my time but I don't think anybody who is as consistently brilliant as Clifford. He seems to shoot the lights out almost every time he plays regardless of what level it's played at. Such a class player.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
Quote from: Silver hill on January 15, 2023, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
That post was 3 years ago
All the talk about Clifford as the greatest ever is over the top imo. He has 4 all stars and is 23.
All Stars are highly correlated with all Irelands for older players. Kerry will have to keep winning.
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2023, 10:26:25 AM
All the talk about Clifford as the greatest ever is over the top imo. He has 4 all stars and is 23.
All Stars are highly correlated with all Irelands for older players. Kerry will have to keep winning.
Anyone that judges a players "greatness" by All Stars isn't off to a great start
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 15, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 15, 2023, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
That post was 3 years ago
Yeah mcshane was fantastic three years ago and Walsh hadn't reached the heights he now has.
Quote from: seafoid on January 16, 2023, 10:26:25 AM
All the talk about Clifford as the greatest ever is over the top imo. He has 4 all stars and is 23.
All Stars are highly correlated with all Irelands for older players. Kerry will have to keep winning.
2020 probably wasnt deserved, got it for league performances tbh. 2019 he was class, drew the AIF. 2021 was unreal too, shot the lights out in the semi vs Tyrone. 2022 goes without saying.
Plenty more All Irelands to come for that Kerry team, can see them doing 3 in a row!
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 15, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 15, 2023, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
That post was 3 years ago
Yeah mcshane was fantastic three years ago and Walsh hadn't reached the heights he now has.
Lol Silver hill wouldn't like any talk like that about a Tyrone player.
McShane actually looks to be getting back to his better football, albeit the McKenna cup. He's still young and has the physical attributes to be a fantastic player. This year will be a big one for him after a poor 2022. But if he's on form Tyrone could be a different team from last year. Fingers crossed.
I easily say Clifford d the best footballer since Matt Connor and Jack O' Shea.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
I easily say Clifford d the best footballer since Matt Connor and Jack O' Shea.
What about Michael Murphy? What about Lee Keegan? Oh my God!!
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Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 15, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 15, 2023, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
That post was 3 years ago
Yeah mcshane was fantastic three years ago and Walsh hadn't reached the heights he now has.
Lol Silver hill wouldn't like any talk like that about a Tyrone player.
McShane actually looks to be getting back to his better football, albeit the McKenna cup. He's still young and has the physical attributes to be a fantastic player. This year will be a big one for him after a poor 2022. But if he's on form Tyrone could be a different team from last year. Fingers crossed.
:) Whether 3 years ago or now....doesn't change what I said!
It really does though. He was an all star then. Couldn't make the Tyrone team last few years.
Quote from: trailer on January 17, 2023, 11:22:05 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 17, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
I easily say Clifford d the best footballer since Matt Connor and Jack O' Shea.
What about Michael Murphy? What about Lee Keegan? Oh my God!!
Daragh Oshea Peter canavan con o'callaghan jack Maccaffery
Yime enough to jusge him in ten years lets just say hes heading in the right Direction
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 17, 2023, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 16, 2023, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 15, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 15, 2023, 11:04:48 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 11, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
Shane Walsh not too shabby at the minute either. I wouldn't say he was any better than mcshane last year either.
Still fantastic and *probably* loads more to come but not sure he is quite the best yet.
Mcshane......from Tyrone.....are you crazy.......very very average footballer.
That post was 3 years ago
Yeah mcshane was fantastic three years ago and Walsh hadn't reached the heights he now has.
Lol Silver hill wouldn't like any talk like that about a Tyrone player.
McShane actually looks to be getting back to his better football, albeit the McKenna cup. He's still young and has the physical attributes to be a fantastic player. This year will be a big one for him after a poor 2022. But if he's on form Tyrone could be a different team from last year. Fingers crossed.
McShane would be the Tyrone player who worries me most when we play them. That said both canavan look like they will stars
Named Kerry captain for the year ahead tonight.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 10:28:04 PM
Named Kerry captain for the year ahead tonight.
The Greatest, Unrivalled. He has no equals.
Quote from: trailer on January 18, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 10:28:04 PM
Named Kerry captain for the year ahead tonight.
The Greatest, Unrivalled. He has no equals.
Thought that was Murphy?
Looking forward to see the GOAT lift Sam hopefully.. ;D
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 18, 2023, 12:11:14 PM
Looking forward to see the GOAT lift Sam hopefully.. ;D
He already did in 2003.
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Quote from: trailer on January 18, 2023, 11:50:15 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2023, 10:28:04 PM
Named Kerry captain for the year ahead tonight.
The Greatest, Unrivalled. He has no equals.
Thought that was Murphy?
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I don't know I can't keep up. I just hope no one else retires!
Condolences to the Clifford family.
https://twitter.com/AdamMoynihan/status/1654929440692903937
Sad news, had read she hadn't been well a while back. Condolences to the whole family. RIP.
Sad news. Are the 2 lads playing today?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 07, 2023, 12:05:31 PM
Sad news. Are the 2 lads playing today?
Saw on Twitter they are.
She's been sick and battling this for a number of years.
R.I .P Mrs Clifford.
The 2 lads played alright more than likely what she would have wanted.
That's a shame. She looked a fairly young woman. Fair fucks to the two lads for putting in the performances they did under those circumstances.
2 great lads and an absolute credit to their family. RIP and deepest condolences.
Very tough sad times for them at the moment. RIP. To even play and then play as well as they did. Some character and so understandable if they had not played.
One of the highlights of today's action https://twitter.com/thesidelinelive/status/1675176342566977538
This was outrageous to watch live. What a talent
Quote from: Schkite on July 02, 2023, 01:11:09 AM
This was outrageous to watch live. What a talent
We were right in front of that what an unbelievable bit of play!!
Thought he was poor today by his standards but overall Kerry were great.
You can't imagine he'll be that poor again I expect him roaring back the next day!
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 02, 2023, 12:58:20 AM
One of the highlights of today's action https://twitter.com/thesidelinelive/status/1675176342566977538
Link won't work, but I'm assuming that was the catch and perfectly weighted and directed blind pass over his shoulder as he was heading over the sideline?
Stunning piece of play. Like something you'd see in the NBA!
You could hear the gasp from the crowd on the tv.
Clifford in his short time is becoming one of the greats. Unmarkable and outstanding display today.
Derry made it easy by not having someone in front of him, like Tyrone did.
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 17, 2023, 12:07:49 AM
Clifford in his short time is becoming one of the greats. Unmarkable and outstanding display today.
Fine player.. could end up as one of the best
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2023, 12:10:02 AM
Derry made it easy by not having someone in front of him, like Tyrone did.
And how did that workout?
Another weekend for David Clifford.
Won his 5th All Star
Won his 2nd POTY
Scored 0-12 in county final
He will also get a good break now, which should benefit him hugely in the long term.
The way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 09:51:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Failing to beat Kerry, don't think it was meant as a dig tbh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 20, 2023, 09:58:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 09:51:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Failing to beat Kerry, don't think it was meant as a dig tbh.
WW is v hard to please, surprising considering how much the team has progressed / achieved these last few years
Quote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 10:01:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 20, 2023, 09:58:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 09:51:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Failing to beat Kerry, don't think it was meant as a dig tbh.
WW is v hard to please, surprising considering how much the team has progressed / achieved these last few years
Kerry showed up for 20 mins in the second half and beat them
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 20, 2023, 10:12:48 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 10:01:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 20, 2023, 09:58:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 09:51:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Failing to beat Kerry, don't think it was meant as a dig tbh.
WW is v hard to please, surprising considering how much the team has progressed / achieved these last few years
Kerry showed up for 20 mins in the second half and beat them
Quote from: NotedObserver on November 20, 2023, 10:12:48 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 10:01:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 20, 2023, 09:58:38 PMQuote from: JoG2 on November 20, 2023, 09:51:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Incorrect... Our 'failing' after, winning back to back Ulster's, was 2 fine footballers taking the wrong options at key moments in the home stretch against Kerry.
Failing to beat Kerry, don't think it was meant as a dig tbh.
WW is v hard to please, surprising considering how much the team has progressed / achieved these last few years
Kerry showed up for 20 mins in the second half and beat them
And 10 mins in the quarters
In 57 games for Kerry, East Kerry, Fossa and UL since the beginning of 2022, David Clifford's scoring tally comes to 29-305. 24-178 from play
Quote from: toby47 on November 20, 2023, 10:43:14 PMIn 57 games for Kerry, East Kerry, Fossa and UL since the beginning of 2022, David Clifford's scoring tally comes to 29-305. 24-178 from play
thats some going
I was watching the highlights of that intermediate final last night. Tbh they should be kicking themselves losing that as the boy who did that run at the end to setup the opposition goal should never have got away with the run he did. Not that I support Fossa but you would almost want to see a boy like that win the full complement of medals - junior , intermediate and senior.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 20, 2023, 09:16:43 PMThe way Tyrone played him was right, let the other Kerry players win the game if they were good enough, Dublin showed in the final that only O'Shea, and Clifford 2, could provide support. Derry failing was a average sub bench up front, and 2 starting forwards never bringing anything in the scoring dept up front. If Derry don't remedy this, it be the same again nxt year.
Clifford scored 0-5 (3f and 1m) against Tyrone. Think he had another 5 shots at goal. He hit one off the post that he should've scored, and had another correctly ruled out by hawk eye (over the post), though again he should really have scored. He'd another 3 shots, two wide and one dropped short. And off the two wides, you'd actually expect him to score, even if they were from more difficult angles. The one that dropped short was very poor.
If he had knocked over the two easy ones, and Clifford walked away with 7pts, (3 from play) would you have said that Tyrone played him right, including his overall contribution during the game?
Just remember him that day not being at his best. (An off day for him is 5* performance for most forwards) But he had that unreal but of skill out on the sideline to create the goal
Is Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
It's definitely a debate now. Take both out of their respective teams the past few years and neither would have had much success.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
Quote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Quote from: NotedObserver on January 23, 2024, 12:48:33 PMQuote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Glass didn't have his best year in a Derry jersey last year. Brendan Rogers was much more influential and had a greater impact on Derry performing well. Glass prob had a better season than Rogers the year before that. I don't think both have quite managed to hit their best at the same time - yet!
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on January 23, 2024, 12:48:33 PMQuote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Glass didn't have his best year in a Derry jersey last year. Brendan Rogers was much more influential and had a greater impact on Derry performing well. Glass prob had a better season than Rogers the year before that. I don't think both have quite managed to hit their best at the same time - yet!
To my mind Glass has been the major factor behind Derry's renaissance. I would agree he wasn't as influential in games last year as he had been the year before. I think that's in part because of the lack of a break he got, culminating in an injury in the league final (and again little or no break to recover from that properly) and the defensive midfield sweeping role he was given.
I suspect the example and standards he sets have rubbed off massively on the rest of the squad. The contributions from guys like Rodgers and McKinless have improved beyond all recognition over the past couple of years, so for me he's Derry's most important and influential player. Is he more important to Derry than Clifford to Kerry though? I think he might be, but I never want it tested!
Quote from: onefineday on January 25, 2024, 01:06:49 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on January 23, 2024, 12:48:33 PMQuote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Glass didn't have his best year in a Derry jersey last year. Brendan Rogers was much more influential and had a greater impact on Derry performing well. Glass prob had a better season than Rogers the year before that. I don't think both have quite managed to hit their best at the same time - yet!
To my mind Glass has been the major factor behind Derry's renaissance. I would agree he wasn't as influential in games last year as he had been the year before. I think that's in part because of the lack of a break he got, culminating in an injury in the league final (and again little or no break to recover from that properly) and the defensive midfield sweeping role he was given.
I suspect the example and standards he sets have rubbed off massively on the rest of the squad. The contributions from guys like Rodgers and McKinless have improved beyond all recognition over the past couple of years, so for me he's Derry's most important and influential player. Is he more important to Derry than Clifford to Kerry though? I think he might be, but I never want it tested!
The major factor behind Derry's renaissance was Rory Gallagher. Adding the return of Glass and getting commitment from McKinless all added to it but without Gallagher we would not be where we are now. The likes of McKaigue and Rodgers were always top players they just didn't have the structures in place to allow that to be shown at the top end of county football.
I wonder if Kerry played Derry both teams full strength bar the two lads, who'd win?
My money would be on Derry. (I know both likely to be missing at the weekend but theres plenty more missing as well for both apparently)
Quote from: onefineday on January 25, 2024, 01:06:49 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on January 23, 2024, 12:48:33 PMQuote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Glass didn't have his best year in a Derry jersey last year. Brendan Rogers was much more influential and had a greater impact on Derry performing well. Glass prob had a better season than Rogers the year before that. I don't think both have quite managed to hit their best at the same time - yet!
To my mind Glass has been the major factor behind Derry's renaissance. I would agree he wasn't as influential in games last year as he had been the year before. I think that's in part because of the lack of a break he got, culminating in an injury in the league final (and again little or no break to recover from that properly) and the defensive midfield sweeping role he was given.
I suspect the example and standards he sets have rubbed off massively on the rest of the squad. The contributions from guys like Rodgers and McKinless have improved beyond all recognition over the past couple of years, so for me he's Derry's most important and influential player. Is he more important to Derry than Clifford to Kerry though? I think he might be, but I never want it tested!
Aye, that's a fair assessment. Regarding last year, losing that club final and coming back into the county so quickly prob caught up with him. He definitely was one cog in turning around Derry County football over the last few years. We are very fortunate to also have other great footballers at present plus throw in a fire/desire lit by RG (let's not get into a conversation on RG) and things are running nicely for Derry at present. Can we combine all that to win an AI? I don't know. But these past few years have brought back an optimism that we have as good a shout as most other teams for the first time in a long long time and with good reason. What way that works out we'll just have to see.
PS. Conscious of highjacking a thread on DC. Just that a comparison was made with Glass earlier in the thread and it has got off topic a wee bit.
Quote from: Mario on January 25, 2024, 09:04:43 AMQuote from: onefineday on January 25, 2024, 01:06:49 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on January 23, 2024, 12:56:37 PMQuote from: NotedObserver on January 23, 2024, 12:48:33 PMQuote from: Mario on January 23, 2024, 12:16:28 PMQuote from: Goals_Will_Come on January 23, 2024, 11:54:35 AMIs Conor Glass the most impactful player in the GAA? Not a better player but more impactful on his team.
Is his contribution to Glen and Derry greater than what Clifford has brought to Kerry and Fossa?
Not in my view. As a Derry fan i'd be more worried if Rogers or McGuigan were missing for us. Don't get me wrong Glass is a great player but McGuigan is central to everything we do in attack and Rogers is just a brilliant player. Argument could also be made that McKinless is more irreplaceable as well.
I don't think you can say Glass is the most impactful player in the GAA when it is debateable if he is the most impactful player in his own team.
McKinless also a major influence also though Glass influence could grow this year
Glass didn't have his best year in a Derry jersey last year. Brendan Rogers was much more influential and had a greater impact on Derry performing well. Glass prob had a better season than Rogers the year before that. I don't think both have quite managed to hit their best at the same time - yet!
To my mind Glass has been the major factor behind Derry's renaissance. I would agree he wasn't as influential in games last year as he had been the year before. I think that's in part because of the lack of a break he got, culminating in an injury in the league final (and again little or no break to recover from that properly) and the defensive midfield sweeping role he was given.
I suspect the example and standards he sets have rubbed off massively on the rest of the squad. The contributions from guys like Rodgers and McKinless have improved beyond all recognition over the past couple of years, so for me he's Derry's most important and influential player. Is he more important to Derry than Clifford to Kerry though? I think he might be, but I never want it tested!
The major factor behind Derry's renaissance was Rory Gallagher. Adding the return of Glass and getting commitment from McKinless all added to it but without Gallagher we would not be where we are now. The likes of McKaigue and Rodgers were always top players they just didn't have the structures in place to allow that to be shown at the top end of county football.
I have to agree with this.
RG was the catalyst, he showed the lads what was needed to improve and win. But the ground work was already done in terms of underage and in particular the emergence of Slaughtneil as a powerhouse, followed by Magherafelt and then Glen (on the heels of a massive achievement at under age level). Add in Derry minors being at the top end for a consistent period.
We're going through a purple patch in terms of strong club sides, good county board structures and people (I know some people will dispute that) and now some players from the north of the county starting to filter through this season.
It might all be short term, so we need to try to make the most of it when we can.
Is Glass more important to Derry than Clifford is to Kerry?
Well Clifford starred against Derry and Kerry beat us, whereas he was not at his best in the final and they got beat.
If Glass had a poor game, I'd still be reasonably confident we have others who can step up - and that's not to take away from how good Glass is or the impact he's had, but they both do different jobs.
So I would say Clifford is more important to Kerry.
Now if you asked the question is Clifford more important to Kerry than Shane McGuigan is to Derry I think Shane McGuigan gets that nod. We wouldnt win much without him.