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Title: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on March 31, 2017, 07:21:04 PM
Like the Dubs, this thread is late in coming.

Mostly its the same team for Monaghan, newcomer Michael Bannigan (Aghnamullen) starts instead of Kieran Duffy and Colin Walshe's return is imminent, he's on the subs bench. 

Clones awaits
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Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on March 31, 2017, 10:23:30 PM
Bring them to Inniskeen.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on March 31, 2017, 11:13:44 PM
It's too handy for the Dubs to get to Inniskeen, it being just a few kliks off the motorway. We also need game time in the home of the ulster final.
The baton has now been passed to Monaghan to put the Dubs hyped up undefeated run to dirt.
We're live on national tv, hope we come good on the day.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
The Monaghan fans have gone into hiding before this game ;D

Our record against the Dubs in the league isn't too bad, if you discount the one or two hammerings.

The Irish News "on this day" 1985: Monaghan advanced to the final of the GAA National Football League defeating Tyrone on a 1-8 to 0-8 replay scoreline. Monaghan went on to win the NFL title, getting the better of pre-match favourites Armagh a week later, 1-11 to 0-9



Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Schkite on April 02, 2017, 12:44:03 PM
Looking forward to the game. Dublin are the benchmark so it's always good to test yourself against them ahead of the summer. Odds are against us but it's not a bad spot to be in at all. Ahead of the league, the main goal would have been survival and anything else would be a bonus. We stayed up with ease so the pressure is off a bit, and we can have a good crack at the Dubs today.

Our last meeting in Clones doesn't bring up good memories, but we were close the last two times in Croker. McManus has been fairly quiet all league but this would be a good time for a return to form, and he does enjoy playing Dublin. If he and McCarron are both in the mood then who knows.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: seafoid on April 02, 2017, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 12:33:02 PM
The Monaghan fans have gone into hiding before this game ;D

Our record against the Dubs in the league isn't too bad, if you discount the one or two hammerings.

The Irish News "on this day" 1985: Monaghan advanced to the final of the GAA National Football League defeating Tyrone on a 1-8 to 0-8 replay scoreline. Monaghan went on to win the NFL title, getting the better of pre-match favourites Armagh a week later, 1-11 to 0-9
That was a super Monaghan team
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:06:30 PM
That was clearly wide.  :o
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Niall8100 on April 02, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:06:30 PM
That was clearly wide.  :o

And it's going to screw us over at the end, I just know it...
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Who is Vinny Corey on for?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:27:43 PM
Massive let-off for Dublin.
The Monaghan forward had one eye on Cluxton when all he had to do was gather the ball.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Schkite on April 02, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
No harm to the lad but I don't know how Carey continues to start all the time. Made a few mistakes today already.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
Monaghan too wound up.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Niall8100 on April 02, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
That's a ridiculous black card!
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
It's a foot-trip.
The only question is if it was deliberate or accidental.
Hard to say.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Niall8100 on April 02, 2017, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
It's a foot-trip.
The only question is if it was deliberate or accidental.
Hard to say.

That's it though, it's impossible to tell if that's deliberate, surely the benefit of the doubt should be given?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
I'd assumed Brogan wasn't playing.
That's the first time I've seen him touch the ball.
Can Monaghan keep up the intensity?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
The ref was right there and he thought the trip was deliberate.
Though it was pretty low on the scale of things.
Monaghan with some classy defending.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Schkite on April 02, 2017, 02:46:07 PM
By the letter of the law, that's a black card. But I think it's the consistency that annoys some people, you see similar fouls get away with it.

Good stuff so far, I suppose the main question is if Monaghan can keep up that work rate and intensity for another half, especially when Dublin empty the bench. It hasn't been made any easier with Hughes and Walshe gone.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 02, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
I'd assumed Brogan wasn't playing.
That's the first time I've seen him touch the ball.
Can Monaghan keep up the intensity?
Come on as a sub just before half  time
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Any time someone gets a black card the default reaction for many is, "That's a joke!", because they've already decided they don't like the rule.
I've reached the conclusion that whenever it is implemented for anything other than the blatant Sean Cavanagh rugby tackle, you'll get a roughly 50:50 split in opinion on the rights and wrongs of the decision.
Then you get people giving out about a correctly awarded black card because a similar offense before that wasn't punished the same way.
In short, people are idiots.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
That's a cowardly way to call Schkite an idiot.
Meath men can't man up these days.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 02:56:46 PM
I didn't even see his post.
It took me 10 minutes to type mine.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:02:24 PM
Get in!
Great goal, savage work by McManus out by the sideline.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 03:06:34 PM
Class goal from Jack, Clucks beaten on the near post.
Can the Dubs handle the pressure?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:07:42 PM
McCarron is a great bit of stuff.
First time getting a good look at him.
Big, physical & accurate.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: J70 on April 02, 2017, 03:11:23 PM
Some player McCarron.

Monaghan for Ulster?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:12:37 PM
Very enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: J70 on April 02, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
Fair fucks to the Dubs. They're never beaten.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Minder on April 02, 2017, 03:17:06 PM
Jesus that looked well wide
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:19:49 PM
A Monaghan team with the two Hughes boys around midfield/centre-forward and McCarron and McManus in the inside line will give anyone their fill of it in the championship.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Goal for Dublin.
That's hard to take.
Monaghan killed by fatigue in the last 10 minutes.
Too many mistakes.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: SouthDublinBro on April 02, 2017, 03:35:10 PM
Never in doubt.  8)
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 03:39:51 PM
Well tired out in the last 10 minutes.
A good game to end off the league campaign with.

Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: macdanger2 on April 02, 2017, 03:43:27 PM
The strength of Dublin's bench is hard to match, super team. Monaghan are a good side though
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Schkite on April 02, 2017, 03:43:56 PM
Tough defeat to take. We just faded badly in the final quarter, some silly mistakes and shot selection cost us. It was always going to be tough anyway but losing leaders like Walshe and Hughes early made things harder.

Full credit to the Dubs though, they were relentless til the end. Some team, never beaten.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 03:52:50 PM
They worked their 2nd goal very well but the Monaghan players just parted like the red sea, exhausted.
As it turned out, a draw would have been enough to get to the final.
Monaghan should be fresher by the time the Ulster championship begins.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:57:13 PM
Is there merit in the idea of a very tactical substitution policy for teams playing Dublin?
Play first half with your best team.
Keep two of your better players in reserve for first 15 mins of 2nd half and then bring them back on for last 20 minutes?
Some teams just don't have the depth in the squad for everyone to go flat out for the full game.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 02, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
Dublin are an extremely fit team by county standards.

I wonder how many steps did Vinny Corey get away with on his last foray into the Dublin half?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: macdanger2 on April 02, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 03:57:13 PM
Is there merit in the idea of a very tactical substitution policy for teams playing Dublin?
Play first half with your best team.
Keep two of your better players in reserve for first 15 mins of 2nd half and then bring them back on for last 20 minutes?
Some teams just don't have the depth in the squad for everyone to go flat out for the full game.

Teams definitely have to start thinking along those lines - maybe start with a team to contain, finish with a team to win. Could easily backfire of course in which case you'd be crucified
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.

You have to get as fit as the Dublin team really is what is required.
I think the main problem is that Dublin normally have 5 forwards who can usually score if left one on one with a defender (Andrews/McMenamon/Connolly/Brogan/Flynn/Rock - and most can  kick off two feet) which means that team defence has to be that much tighter especially as Dublin normally place guys right on the sideline on both sides of the pitch creating space (which means more running for midfielders/half forwards to cover) and when teams drop deep Dublin have multiple players like Conolly/Fenton/McMahon etc who can score from 45 yards out.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on April 03, 2017, 04:24:20 PM
I know it was only the league and it's only March but it sounds like Monaghan really went for this one and ran them very close. I have yet to see the highlights.

Does this not show that the better teams have a much better chance of beating the Dubs in their own back yard than they do in Croker. Would you say if this match was in Croker would Monaghan have done so well?

Next year in the new system Dublin will play one of the other provincial winners in Croker but I think that should be in another neutral venue instead.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2017, 04:24:20 PM
I know it was only the league and it's only March but it sounds like Monaghan really went for this one and ran them very close. I have yet to see the highlights.

Does this not show that the better teams have a much better chance of beating the Dubs in their own back yard than they do in Croker. Would you say if this match was in Croker would Monaghan have done so well?

Next year in the new system Dublin will play one of the other provincial winners in Croker but I think that should be in another neutral venue instead.

Monaghan got closer to them in Croker in the previous two league meetings, a point in both cases, so no.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.

You have to get as fit as the Dublin team really is what is required.
I think the main problem is that Dublin normally have 5 forwards who can usually score if left one on one with a defender (Andrews/McMenamon/Connolly/Brogan/Flynn/Rock - and most can  kick off two feet) which means that team defence has to be that much tighter especially as Dublin normally place guys right on the sideline on both sides of the pitch creating space (which means more running for midfielders/half forwards to cover) and when teams drop deep Dublin have multiple players like Conolly/Fenton/McMahon etc who can score from 45 yards out.

Introducing subs with 11 all-stars and 3 footballer of the year awards between them when your backs are to the wall help, towards the fitness levels you allude to. Not having one of your most influential players shown the line for an arguably misinterpreted black card whilst the same thing was going on in the Dublin FB line also helps. I heard the inconsistent ref referred to as 'Dublin Joe' on a few occasions yesterday and bizarrely one of them from a Dublin fan.. A Cavan referee should not be officiating a game involving Monaghan either though I'm not expecting readers to fully get the nuances of that statement.

You are spot on re your attacking methodology though; width and depth are two of the main weapons to prise open a defence and Dublin have perfected this.

Listen, it's not sour grapes and Dublin are a fantastic outfit, players and supporters alike. I'm originally a Clones man and it was both a poignant and proud day for me yesterday. From what I observed, the Dubs seemed to really enjoy the location and occasion also. Comhghairdeas!  :)



Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on April 03, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
So if you were to meet them in this year's championship would you rather meet them in Croker?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Hound on April 03, 2017, 05:13:54 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:58:22 PM

Introducing subs with 11 all-stars and 3 footballer of the year awards between them when your backs are to the wall help, towards the fitness levels you allude to. Not having one of your most influential players shown the line for an arguably misinterpreted black card whilst the same thing was going on in the Dublin FB line also helps. I heard the inconsistent ref referred to as 'Dublin Joe' on a few occasions yesterday and bizarrely one of them from a Dublin fan.. A Cavan referee should not be officiating a game involving Monaghan either though I'm not expecting readers to fully get the nuances of that statement.

You are spot on re your attacking methodology though; width and depth are two of the main weapons to prise open a defence and Dublin have perfected this.

Listen, it's not sour grapes and Dublin are a fantastic outfit, players and supporters alike. I'm originally a Clones man and it was both a poignant and proud day for me yesterday. From what I observed, the Dubs seemed to really enjoy the location and occasion also. Comhghairdeas!  :)
The Hughes offence was more of a black card than the Connolly one!
Hughes was a blatant black card as he tripped Fenton, but only if it was deliberate. I don't think it was deliberate and I wouldnt have given the card.
Late on there looked a clear black card offence when a Monaghan lad pulled down a Dub charging towards goal. McQuillan indicated it was a jersey pull rather than a pull down, so maybe fair enough.

No doubt that Hughes and Walshe were big losses to Monaghan. Probably wouldn't have been beaten if they'd stayed on.
McCarron was fantastic. Best player on the pitch and easy choice for man of the match (although still thought TG4 would give it to Kilkenny like they always seem to do when Dublin play!) The emergence of McCarron might give McManus a new lease in the championship as defences can't now focus all their attention on him.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 03, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
I thought McManus was pretty ineffective by his standards yesterday.
He seemed to spend a lot of time out the field, maybe to draw defenders out and leave more space for McCarron inside.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Schkite on April 03, 2017, 07:06:36 PM
I think McManus was carrying a knock the last while, he was pretty quiet yesterday by his standards but that goes for the whole league. It would be great if we could get him fully fit and back in form for Ulster. A two man full forward line of McManus and McCarron would cause alot of counties trouble.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 03, 2017, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.

You have to get as fit as the Dublin team really is what is required.
I think the main problem is that Dublin normally have 5 forwards who can usually score if left one on one with a defender (Andrews/McMenamon/Connolly/Brogan/Flynn/Rock - and most can  kick off two feet) which means that team defence has to be that much tighter especially as Dublin normally place guys right on the sideline on both sides of the pitch creating space (which means more running for midfielders/half forwards to cover) and when teams drop deep Dublin have multiple players like Conolly/Fenton/McMahon etc who can score from 45 yards out.

Introducing subs with 11 all-stars and 3 footballer of the year awards between them when your backs are to the wall help, towards the fitness levels you allude to. Not having one of your most influential players shown the line for an arguably misinterpreted black card whilst the same thing was going on in the Dublin FB line also helps. I heard the inconsistent ref referred to as 'Dublin Joe' on a few occasions yesterday and bizarrely one of them from a Dublin fan.. A Cavan referee should not be officiating a game involving Monaghan either though I'm not expecting readers to fully get the nuances of that statement.

You are spot on re your attacking methodology though; width and depth are two of the main weapons to prise open a defence and Dublin have perfected this.

Listen, it's not sour grapes and Dublin are a fantastic outfit, players and supporters alike. I'm originally a Clones man and it was both a poignant and proud day for me yesterday. From what I observed, the Dubs seemed to really enjoy the location and occasion also. Comhghairdeas!  :)
It's petty to be casting aspersions on Cavan Joe just because he's from Cavan.
Joe did well yesterday, he had Coldrick on the sideline, he kept listening to his earpiece for advice, kept up with the game, he was in almost every action scene, he kept the game flowing using the advantage to very good effect and got decision after decision correct. He was right there looking dead on at both the black card incidents and made the calls.
I'd say Joe's was a first class refereeing display which played a big part in making that an excellent contest of football played in a great sporting spirit, just spoiled by a bad ending.

I hadn't noticed it in the other games, just how much that Monaghan team enjoy playing their football.


Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 03, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
So if you were to meet them in this year's championship would you rather meet them in Croker?

I'd rather meet them in Clones.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 04, 2017, 12:24:31 AM
Good you enjoyed the game HiB, there was a great atmosphere throughout with virtually no shenanigans on the field considering the pitch battle intensity of the contest.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Tubberman on April 04, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..

Just wait until you beat them (which you hopefully will), the compliments give way to vitriol fairly quick!
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 04, 2017, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 04, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..

Just wait until you beat them (which you hopefully will), the compliments give way to vitriol fairly quick!
Should that time come, then we'll gladly kick him in the goolies.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Declan on April 04, 2017, 12:33:04 PM
Great day out in Clones and a fantastic game. Had a bit of everything and Monaghan very impressive. A pleasure to follow this Dublin team and hopefully the run will continue on Sunday
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: heffo on April 04, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 04, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..

Just wait until you beat them (which you hopefully will), the compliments give way to vitriol fairly quick!

How would you know!?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 04, 2017, 01:26:35 PM
Ouch.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on April 04, 2017, 01:40:48 PM
How many clubs in Monaghan?
Do you rate O'Rourke as a good manager?
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Tubberman on April 04, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 04, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on April 04, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..

Just wait until you beat them (which you hopefully will), the compliments give way to vitriol fairly quick!

How would you know!?

I was there in '06 and '12.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 04, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.

You have to get as fit as the Dublin team really is what is required.
I think the main problem is that Dublin normally have 5 forwards who can usually score if left one on one with a defender (Andrews/McMenamon/Connolly/Brogan/Flynn/Rock - and most can  kick off two feet) which means that team defence has to be that much tighter especially as Dublin normally place guys right on the sideline on both sides of the pitch creating space (which means more running for midfielders/half forwards to cover) and when teams drop deep Dublin have multiple players like Conolly/Fenton/McMahon etc who can score from 45 yards out.

Introducing subs with 11 all-stars and 3 footballer of the year awards between them when your backs are to the wall help, towards the fitness levels you allude to. Not having one of your most influential players shown the line for an arguably misinterpreted black card whilst the same thing was going on in the Dublin FB line also helps. I heard the inconsistent ref referred to as 'Dublin Joe' on a few occasions yesterday and bizarrely one of them from a Dublin fan.. A Cavan referee should not be officiating a game involving Monaghan either though I'm not expecting readers to fully get the nuances of that statement.

You are spot on re your attacking methodology though; width and depth are two of the main weapons to prise open a defence and Dublin have perfected this.

Listen, it's not sour grapes and Dublin are a fantastic outfit, players and supporters alike. I'm originally a Clones man and it was both a poignant and proud day for me yesterday. From what I observed, the Dubs seemed to really enjoy the location and occasion also. Comhghairdeas!  :)

As someone with whose family came from threemilehouse and enjoyed seeing Monaghan in their prime in the mid 80's I'm enjoying every success they are having.

In terms of Joe I would be quite happy if he never reffed a Dub game ever again as I find him one of the most biased ref's against Dublin.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 04, 2017, 03:00:00 PM
Get up the yard!
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Main Street on April 04, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
Again Joe's honour is impeached,  first he's accused of being biased against Monaghan, now he's accused of being biased against Dublin. Was he equally biased in Sunday's game or more biased to one than the other? I just thought our Joe gave a fine refereeing display where he played the advantage rule like a fiddler.

What Dubs don't like is that Joe is wise to the fouls their players make in their assault tackle on the player with the ball. Most other refs allow Dublin to get away with that. The Dub players have to behave a lot better when Joe's around and that hurts.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: ashman on April 04, 2017, 03:32:43 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 04, 2017, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 03, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on April 03, 2017, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 02, 2017, 04:51:59 PM
The thing is, you can stay with Dublin and frustrate them if you are very well-organised and fit.
But the game will still be won in the last 10 minutes.
How do you make sure your big players can still influence things at the end of the game?
Conor McManus was deep in his defence towards the end.
He's no use to Monaghan back there.

You have to get as fit as the Dublin team really is what is required.
I think the main problem is that Dublin normally have 5 forwards who can usually score if left one on one with a defender (Andrews/McMenamon/Connolly/Brogan/Flynn/Rock - and most can  kick off two feet) which means that team defence has to be that much tighter especially as Dublin normally place guys right on the sideline on both sides of the pitch creating space (which means more running for midfielders/half forwards to cover) and when teams drop deep Dublin have multiple players like Conolly/Fenton/McMahon etc who can score from 45 yards out.

Introducing subs with 11 all-stars and 3 footballer of the year awards between them when your backs are to the wall help, towards the fitness levels you allude to. Not having one of your most influential players shown the line for an arguably misinterpreted black card whilst the same thing was going on in the Dublin FB line also helps. I heard the inconsistent ref referred to as 'Dublin Joe' on a few occasions yesterday and bizarrely one of them from a Dublin fan.. A Cavan referee should not be officiating a game involving Monaghan either though I'm not expecting readers to fully get the nuances of that statement.

You are spot on re your attacking methodology though; width and depth are two of the main weapons to prise open a defence and Dublin have perfected this.

Listen, it's not sour grapes and Dublin are a fantastic outfit, players and supporters alike. I'm originally a Clones man and it was both a poignant and proud day for me yesterday. From what I observed, the Dubs seemed to really enjoy the location and occasion also. Comhghairdeas!  :)

As someone with whose family came from threemilehouse and enjoyed seeing Monaghan in their prime in the mid 80's I'm enjoying every success they are having.

In terms of Joe I would be quite happy if he never reffed a Dub game ever again as I find him one of the most biased ref's against Dublin.

That would have been brilliant on 1 April .
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 04, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: GrandMasterFlash on April 04, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.

Good man, fair play to you.

We believe the we are getting the absolute most and best from what we have, and it's great to see. It takes a massive effort by a a lot of folk. We also realise however (from the previous 25 year drought..) that these times can be short lived and that we have to embrace them and make the most of them..

Quote from: Main Street on April 04, 2017, 12:24:31 AM
Good you enjoyed the game HiB, there was a great atmosphere throughout with virtually no shenanigans on the field considering the pitch battle intensity of the contest.

Nauseating harmony :P ;)
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on April 04, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
"You hang up".
"No, YOU hang up!"
:-*
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: Mayo Border on April 04, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.
Nice warm, wooly, happy, clap on the back comment there for the Monaghan lads but slightly patronising from Mr Hill is blue. A long way from his comment on March 27th that Mayo fans were demonstrating "a case of irrational exuberance" in deeming their team worthy of challenging for an All-Ireland title.
Title: Re: Monaghan v Dublin 2/4/17 Clones
Post by: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
Quote from: Mayo Border on April 04, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on April 04, 2017, 12:07:50 AM
Monaghan were a breath of fresh air yesterday. On another day they could easily have won. What did it for the Dubs in the end was the strength of their bench. Monaghan are a credit to Gaelic football and, if there's any justice, this team will get its reward.
Nice warm, wooly, happy, clap on the back comment there for the Monaghan lads but slightly patronising from Mr Hill is blue. A long way from his comment on March 27th that Mayo fans were demonstrating "a case of irrational exuberance" in deeming their team worthy of challenging for an All-Ireland title.

I've absolutely no problem with the Mayo team and wish them well. It's just SOME of their supporters that are hard to take.