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Title: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Denn Forever on December 19, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
Recently the subject of colonising Mars has been talked about more (OK Discovery programs).  What intrinsic properties does Mars have that the Moon hasn't?  Is it the presence of water?  How long would it take to get to Mars?  Surely the Moon would be a better option.  Closer to Earth, easier to re stock.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: laoislad on December 19, 2016, 05:27:02 PM

The further away from Armagh the better?
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Hardy on December 19, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.

You're just a bullshitter trying to look liberal and pretend gay astronauts are normal. But what happens if your son comes home and tells you he wants to be the first transsexual astronaut? Hah? See? Now! QED.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: J70 on December 19, 2016, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.

You're just a bullshitter trying to look liberal and pretend gay astronauts are normal. But what happens if your son comes home and tells you he wants to be the first transsexual astronaut? Hah? See? Now! QED.

;D
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: No wides on December 19, 2016, 08:01:36 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.

You're just a bullshitter trying to look liberal and pretend gay astronauts are normal. But what happens if your son comes home and tells you he wants to be the first transsexual astronaut? Hah? See? Now! QED.

Will the gaffer tape hold in space?
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 19, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
Recently the subject of colonising Mars has been talked about more (OK Discovery programs).  What intrinsic properties does Mars have that the Moon hasn't?  Is it the presence of water?  How long would it take to get to Mars?  Surely the Moon would be a better option.  Closer to Earth, easier to re stock.

Mars still has a bit of an atmosphere, the Moon has none. Helps with not being microwaved by cosmic waves. You'll need shielding on either, though. Also gravity on the Moon is 1/6 of Earth's - that would be very bad for someone's bone density and body in general if they grew up on the Moon. Mars' gravity is roughly 40% of Earth's, which is more manageable.

The Moon is tidally locked to Earth and hence its days are completely out of whack - either side stays in sunlight for two week, followed by two weeks of darkness. So a day on the moon is 28 ish Earth days. A Mars day is only 24 hours and 40 minutes long - much more compatible for humans.

If we don't destroy ourselves we should eventually colonize both the Moon and Mars, but Mars has the potential to support more people and more purposes than the Moon does.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: muppet on December 19, 2016, 08:14:21 PM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.

You're just a bullshitter trying to look liberal and pretend gay astronauts are normal. But what happens if your son comes home and tells you he wants to be the first transsexual astronaut? Hah? See? Now! QED.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: seafoid on December 19, 2016, 10:49:00 PM
Mars has better bars
The moon has moonies and lunatics
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:03:54 PM
Will Mars compete in Leinster?

Also I think it would be a long way to go for a league match. What's a wet weekend on Mars like? Would it be as bad as the Hyde?
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2016, 11:05:20 PM
Our organs will take centuries to adjust.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
I'm assuming this is an Irish mission to colonise Mars. I doubt anyone else would be interested that type of thing.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: armaghniac on December 19, 2016, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
I'm assuming this is an Irish mission to colonise Mars. I doubt anyone else would be interested that type of thing.

The British went to some trouble to colonise Tyrone, so you wouldn't know.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2016, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
I'm assuming this is an Irish mission to colonise Mars. I doubt anyone else would be interested that type of thing.

The British went to some trouble to colonise Tyrone, so you wouldn't know.

Any sign of life?
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on December 19, 2016, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on December 19, 2016, 05:20:28 PM
Recently the subject of colonising Mars has been talked about more (OK Discovery programs).  What intrinsic properties does Mars have that the Moon hasn't?  Is it the presence of water?  How long would it take to get to Mars?  Surely the Moon would be a better option.  Closer to Earth, easier to re stock.

Mars still has a bit of an atmosphere, the Moon has none. Helps with not being microwaved by cosmic waves. You'll need shielding on either, though. Also gravity on the Moon is 1/6 of Earth's - that would be very bad for someone's bone density and body in general if they grew up on the Moon. Mars' gravity is roughly 40% of Earth's, which is more manageable.

The Moon is tidally locked to Earth and hence its days are completely out of whack - either side stays in sunlight for two week, followed by two weeks of darkness. So a day on the moon is 28 ish Earth days. A Mars day is only 24 hours and 40 minutes long - much more compatible for humans.

If we don't destroy ourselves we should eventually colonize both the Moon and Mars, but Mars has the potential to support more people and more purposes than the Moon does.

Micrometeorites are a bit of an occupational hazard on the moon since there's no atmosphere to burn them up.

Terraforming is a possibility on Mars too. Not much chance of that happening on the moon since its gravity isn't strong enough to keep much of an atmosphere. That said, for the foreseeable next few centuries people on Mars are going to be living indoors. For the first inhabitants it'll be like an Antarctic research station but less comfortable.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: armaghniac on December 19, 2016, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 19, 2016, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
I'm assuming this is an Irish mission to colonise Mars. I doubt anyone else would be interested that type of thing.

The British went to some trouble to colonise Tyrone, so you wouldn't know.

Any sign of life?

Yes, they all dress a bit like the TV series and drive souped up Cortinas.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: muppet on December 20, 2016, 06:42:35 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 19, 2016, 11:03:54 PM
Will Mars compete in Leinster?

Also I think it would be a long way to go for a league match. What's a wet weekend on Mars like? Would it be as bad as the Hyde?

There could be a few logistical problems:

How would the Rossies get there on the bus?
Mayo players wouldn't be happy with unnecessary detours via the moon.
Would Mars wear red against the rebels?
Would there be any atmosphere when they play weaker teams?
Would the AIF become War of the Worlds?
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 07:54:47 PM
Mars getting another touch today.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: bennydorano on February 18, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
More importantly, i wonder who the poster No Wides (1st page) is nowadays ???, see i had him on ignore
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2021, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on February 18, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
More importantly, i wonder who the poster No Wides (1st page) is nowadays ???, see i had him on ignore

I'd him on ignore also
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 09:32:52 PM
Parking ticket already. Cnuts.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Louther on February 18, 2021, 09:34:38 PM
Imagine, just imagine the absolute hype/terror/speculation if it beamed back pictures of a little green dude (I'm sure we'll not know if they did).

It might even knock covid off the news headlines.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Orior on February 18, 2021, 11:21:27 PM
Quote from: Louther on February 18, 2021, 09:34:38 PM
Imagine, just imagine the absolute hype/terror/speculation if it beamed back pictures of a little green dude (I'm sure we'll not know if they did).

It might even knock covid off the news headlines.

It doesnt look much different from the centre of Australia.

We're probably a few million years too late to find life forms on Mars.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2021, 11:25:33 PM
They've found traces of Covid though, but blaming the Russians. Pesky westerners
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: ONeill on February 18, 2021, 11:50:54 PM
They've just found Kevin McCabe's kick.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: armaghniac on February 19, 2021, 12:34:52 AM
Any sign of Gene Hunt's car?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/c5/a9/16c5a949c69e25328a42d00ae1aef9e4.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: gallsman on February 19, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
Quote from: Hardy on December 19, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2016, 05:28:31 PM
Interesting question. Are there not outfits trying to do each?

I think once there, the frozen water and CO2 atmosphere which could be harnessed to produce oxygen makes water and breathable air easier to produce on Mars.

No clue as to the overall, relative ease of each. Maybe Mars is easier, technically, while the moon is, obviously, much more accessible.

You're just a bullshitter trying to look liberal and pretend gay astronauts are normal. But what happens if your son comes home and tells you he wants to be the first transsexual astronaut? Hah? See? Now! QED.

Somehow, amazingly, this has ended up being a relatively accurate prediction of wider public discourse in 2021
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2021, 08:01:22 AM
Which bit? The breathable air or transgender/transsexual astronaut
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Louther on February 19, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
Lad in a Kerry jersey just walked by Perseverance.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 19, 2021, 09:41:37 PM
If the financial and technical resources are sufficient now to send these Rovers to Mars ( 2.7 billion ) surely there is an argument for sending such an exhibition into larne just for a look around.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: ONeill on February 19, 2021, 09:50:07 PM
They're probing Moygashel in 2035.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 19, 2021, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Louther on February 19, 2021, 09:17:31 AM
Lad in a Kerry jersey just walked by Perseverance.

Lad in a Dublin jersey just stole its wheels.
Title: Re: Mars - Why would it be a better place to colonise comared to the Moon?
Post by: Eamonnca1 on February 21, 2021, 06:32:50 PM
Fun fact: My cousin-in-law made the wheels for the Mars rovers. Works in a CnC machine shop up near Santa Cruz where they do all sorts of precision engineering.