This is getting some Twitter action today.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/sports-bodies-face-financial-penalties-unless-30pc-of-their-board-is-female-35286125.html
I just don't see how you enforce it in the case of the GAA. What would you class as the top table ie board of directors?
Most of the positions within the GAA are voluntary so is it not unfair to parachute someone in when another person has given up years to get to a certain level?
I suppose gaelic games are different to most other sports in ireland, in that we have specific associations for ladies football and camogie, where the administrators are predominantly female.
I dont agree with this. Im not saying dont appoint women to these positions, just that it should be the best person for the job who gets appointed
I don't think it's a case of drafting women in .. I'd imagine they've been overlooked. Luckily enough we have a female county chairperson... there is a lot of capable women fit to be at top tables...
There have been County Secretaries also in the past who are essentially county CEOs before the title existed, so there are women there within the GAA but I still wouldn't be in favour of a quota system.
As was noted too Camogie and LGFA take a lot of women for admin roles who I think would be better served in the GAA body itself whereby some new ideas would be embraced a bit more.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 12, 2016, 11:09:44 AM
I dont agree with this. Im not saying dont appoint women to these positions, just that it should be the best person for the job who gets appointed
+1
Wait till you have to have at least 5 women on a team :)
+1111111111111111111111111111111111111
As long as it means JP is forcibly retired.
I truly wish the island of Australia hadn't yet been discovered so as we could now find it, and pack off all the liberal lefties to its giant expanse, where they could implement their vision of utopia, and the rest of us could watch - safely, from afar - while it implodes into a humourless, unproductive cesspit.
These people are in dire need of being clubbed over the head with a salty seal until it gets through to them that equality can only be beneficial for wider society when it is delivered as equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome.
If a female wants to be a leading sports administrator, then I welcome it. But at the very least, they should work their way through the same administrative and political structures as any man, before they can be considered for that position. That means starting on a bottom rung, not half way up, because you happen to be able to bear children.
Australia was discovered by humans at least 40,000 years ago ;)
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
I truly wish the island of Australia hadn't yet been discovered so as we could now find it, and pack off all the liberal lefties to its giant expanse, where they could implement their vision of utopia, and the rest of us could watch - safely, from afar - while it implodes into a humourless, unproductive cesspit.
These people are in dire need of being clubbed over the head with a salty seal until it gets through to them that equality can only be beneficial for wider society when it is delivered as equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome.
If a female wants to be a leading sports administrator, then I welcome it. But at the very least, they should work their way through the same administrative and political structures as any man, before they can be considered for that position. That means starting on a bottom rung, not half way up, because you happen to be able to bear children.
Until attitudes and society changes and it's par for the course for the best person to be appointed then unfortunately I think we need these gender quotas. There are interested talented women out there who are put off by the local loudmouth or two and the mens club that surround them. Gender quotas will make it more attractive initially and when attitudes have softened a little they can be removed and we can get the best person for the role. At worst we'll double our volunteer options.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on December 13, 2016, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
I truly wish the island of Australia hadn't yet been discovered so as we could now find it, and pack off all the liberal lefties to its giant expanse, where they could implement their vision of utopia, and the rest of us could watch - safely, from afar - while it implodes into a humourless, unproductive cesspit.
These people are in dire need of being clubbed over the head with a salty seal until it gets through to them that equality can only be beneficial for wider society when it is delivered as equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome.
If a female wants to be a leading sports administrator, then I welcome it. But at the very least, they should work their way through the same administrative and political structures as any man, before they can be considered for that position. That means starting on a bottom rung, not half way up, because you happen to be able to bear children.
Until attitudes and society changes and it's par for the course for the best person to be appointed then unfortunately I think we need these gender quotas. There are interested talented women out there who are put off by the local loudmouth or two and the mens club that surround them. Gender quotas will make it more attractive initially and when attitudes have softened a little they can be removed and we can get the best person for the role. At worst we'll double our volunteer options.
Bollocks, it is a complete joke as wobbler said it should be best person for the job, what's next at least 20% gays on the board. Wait to see the Oscars next year 60% blacks will be the nominees because they weren't represented last year - maybe because they weren't good enough.
I wonder what Province Wobbler and No wides come from ;D
Ulster says "NO!", to women.
It's one of the innate curiosities of liberal lefties that when issuing their demands of equality for everyone, they're quite willing to be pious, intolerant, condescending and even racist, ageist and fattest towards those who don't totally share their views.
Recent examples include the Brexit and US elections. Plus the two comments above.
Consider this.
The underlying mark of a good administrator is one who treats it as a vocation, and not a career. Good administrators are those who always find time.
In most walks of life, and particularly in sports administration, this means antisocial hours - as the majority of recipients of your efforts don't partake in sport during normal working hours.
It means late nights. It means working weekends. It means travelling 200 miles in a car by yourself at
1am on cold dark nights. For international sport it means travelling, and lots of it. Days, even weeks at a time. It means looking at an annual calendar of events and meetings that will not change, so you build your family life and free time around what's left when they're done.
Of course there's no reason why this type of lifestyle shouldn't appeal to women, and indeed to lots of women. But it's only going to be rewarding for you as a person if you truly love and believe in the sport that you're administering.
For many men, it's a case of giving something back to a sport that gave them so much pleasure, and they've a vested interest in ensuring that the next generations enjoy the same opportunities... and it's not sexist to point out that someone who didn't play or coach in the sport might not have that same calling.
Throw into the mix that sports administration - for family people - means missing out on proper family time (weekends and evenings) - and what you start to get is a picture that it's not sexism at play in sports administration, but more a case of Darwinism i.e. Those that can react more malleably to the environment will be the more likely to thrive. In this case, it's generally men. It's not always men and it's not for all men, but all things considered there will be a greater number of suitable men than women... and as such men will dominate the higher positions.
If taking the time to consider that there might be underlying reasons for the current breakdown, which extends beyond evaluating the contents of a person's underpants, means that I can portrayed as sexist, well then f**k it I'm sexist.
This is a ridiculous proposal by a twat. Sports bodies should be funded on the basis of whether they are making good use of the money or not, not some politician's idea of how they should organise themselves.
Is it not now Department Policy as opposed to a Proposal?
Won't the LGFA and Cumann Camógaíochta have to appoint men?
Quote from: thewobbler on December 13, 2016, 05:49:07 PM
Consider this.
The underlying mark of a good administrator is one who treats it as a vocation, and not a career. Good administrators are those who always find time.
In most walks of life, and particularly in sports administration, this means antisocial hours - as the majority of recipients of your efforts don't partake in sport during normal working hours.
It means late nights. It means working weekends. It means travelling 200 miles in a car by yourself at
1am on cold dark nights. For international sport it means travelling, and lots of it. Days, even weeks at a time. It means looking at an annual calendar of events and meetings that will not change, so you build your family life and free time around what's left when they're done.
Of course there's no reason why this type of lifestyle shouldn't appeal to women, and indeed to lots of women. But it's only going to be rewarding for you as a person if you truly love and believe in the sport that you're administering.
For many men, it's a case of giving something back to a sport that gave them so much pleasure, and they've a vested interest in ensuring that the next generations enjoy the same opportunities... and it's not sexist to point out that someone who didn't play or coach in the sport might not have that same calling.
Throw into the mix that sports administration - for family people - means missing out on proper family time (weekends and evenings) - and what you start to get is a picture that it's not sexism at play in sports administration, but more a case of Darwinism i.e. Those that can react more malleably to the environment will be the more likely to thrive. In this case, it's generally men. It's not always men and it's not for all men, but all things considered there will be a greater number of suitable men than women... and as such men will dominate the higher positions.
If taking the time to consider that there might be underlying reasons for the current breakdown, which extends beyond evaluating the contents of a person's underpants, means that I can portrayed as sexist, well then f**k it I'm sexist.
I think you have summed Danny Murphy up there!!
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
I truly wish the island of Australia hadn't yet been discovered so as we could now find it, and pack off all the liberal lefties to its giant expanse, where they could implement their vision of utopia, and the rest of us could watch - safely, from afar - while it implodes into a humourless, unproductive cesspit.
These people are in dire need of being clubbed over the head with a salty seal until it gets through to them that equality can only be beneficial for wider society when it is delivered as equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome.
If a female wants to be a leading sports administrator, then I welcome it. But at the very least, they should work their way through the same administrative and political structures as any man, before they can be considered for that position. That means starting on a bottom rung, not half way up, because you happen to be able to bear children.
Third paragraph was fine. The rest was a load of uncalled-for, abusive, half-baked ballix that just gets people's backs up and makes you less persuasive. Calling people names like a petulant schoolyard bully isn't going to win people over to your cause. Is Irish politics really in danger of being infected by this "I hate liberals" bullshit that's poisoned all discourse in the USA and led to the election of an incompetent orange-faced barbarian who doesn't know what he's doing?
The CA and LGFA should have become part of the GAA years ago. It would have sorted this issue out at a stroke.
International GAA units include the ladies sports under the same roof, only in Ireland is there this partition. You go to an international GAA meeting and it's a lot more professional and businesslike because there's more women in the room. It makes things run better, this is just the way of things.
With Brexit, a housing shortage, hundreds on trollies in A&E, traffic, public pay and a variety of other things that need to be fixed, this is just political time wasting.
Are there women who are manly enough for Meath though?
Quote from: thewobbler on December 13, 2016, 05:32:35 PM
It's one of the innate curiosities of liberal lefties that when issuing their demands of equality for everyone, they're quite willing to be pious, intolerant, condescending and even racist, ageist and fattest towards those who don't totally share their views.
Recent examples include the Brexit and US elections. Plus the two comments above.
Very much so. Liberals are often more intolerant than those they would level that charge at. The mask slipped on that this year.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 12, 2016, 11:45:11 PM
Australia was discovered by humans at least 40,000 years ago ;)
And it's not an island
Oh jesus, soon they'll be complaining why there's no black managers.
What's John Barnes up to?
Maughan and O'Hara
Absolutely ridiculous notion. Follow this pattern and you'll get the likes of Angela Kerins on the board of the GAA.
Only those who have demonstrated a commitment to the sport over years of service should be allowed steer it. Tell the government to go screw themselves.
Yet another attempt by the PC brigade to f**k up something that already works. It's not a case of allowing the brightest to shine anymore.