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Title: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on October 12, 2016, 01:12:20 PM
Looking for some advice.
There are a couple of us setting up a group for kids to coach them in football(soccer).
The kids are in the 5-6 year old age group. I should also mention each kid will have an intellectual disability of varying degrees.

I played soccer for 20+ years but never coached. I'm realistic enough to know this probably won't lead to the kids taking part in matches but I would like them to have as a realistic experience as possible as I believe they should be treated the same as any 5 year old.

What would be the norm when coaching kids of that age? If you take the disability out of the equation for the moment,what level of coaching can you do with a 5 year old? I don't want to just throw them a ball and say here kick that around for an hour. I don't think that would be fair to them,or maybe that is about the height of what you can do with a 5 year old anyway?

I suppose I'm looking for advice on what we can do with these kids and forgetting about their disability but at the same time remembering that they do have one so not everything might be possible if that makes sense.

Any suggestions welcome.


Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: Denn Forever on October 12, 2016, 01:22:56 PM
Why just not them have a kick around?  Look up the trainers for the Paraplypcs?  Would Billys Boots have contacts in FAI that may be able to help?
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: muppet on October 12, 2016, 01:23:04 PM
Might be worth a read: http://media.specialolympics.org/soi/files/sports/Football+Quick+Start+Guide.pdf (http://media.specialolympics.org/soi/files/sports/Football+Quick+Start+Guide.pdf)
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2016, 01:30:23 PM
Coaching at 5 or 6 should be all about fun and games that involve their learning how to control their bodies. Bulldog, Tag, Pull the tail, Cups and Saucers, obstacle courses etc etc etc. Look up you tube for games for A(gility) B(alance) C(oordination), R(unning) J(umping) T(hrowing).

If you absolutely want them to be kicking a ball around at some stage, then have either a ball each, and make up little games for them to kick the ball through obstacles or whatever, or else have very small sided little conditioned games to make sure everyone gets a kick.

Here's just a quick sample. GAA's learning portal has some good stuff on ABCs as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ-GBufLNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ-GBufLNk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-dvhm6wK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-dvhm6wK0)

Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on October 12, 2016, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 12, 2016, 01:30:23 PM
Coaching at 5 or 6 should be all about fun and games that involve their learning how to control their bodies. Bulldog, Tag, Pull the tail, Cups and Saucers, obstacle courses etc etc etc. Look up you tube for games for A(gility) B(alance) C(oordination), R(unning) J(umping) T(hrowing).

If you absolutely want them to be kicking a ball around at some stage, then have either a ball each, and make up little games for them to kick the ball through obstacles or whatever, or else have very small sided little conditioned games to make sure everyone gets a kick.
Yeah it's something like this I'm looking for. As I said I didn't want to just give them a ball and they all run after it for an hour.
I want to have them doing little fun games mainly with a ball but without a ball also. Not having done anything like this before I wasn't sure of where to start.
There will be a few of us so it won't be just me,we were all asked for suggestions though.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2016, 01:38:40 PM
A few more. I put a few up on our repository we are building, check out this URL.

http://www.newportgaacoaching.com/pod_1_fundamental.html (http://www.newportgaacoaching.com/pod_1_fundamental.html)

And this might give you a couple of ideas on how to actually structure the session.

http://www.newportgaacoaching.com/pod_1_fms_session.html (http://www.newportgaacoaching.com/pod_1_fms_session.html)
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on October 12, 2016, 01:49:20 PM
Looks good,thanks.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: bamboo on October 12, 2016, 02:08:40 PM
Look at any SEN websites or Google a bit regarding 'inclusion in PE' .

Primary teacher's here in the UK need to.be clued up on it and there's a wealth of resources etc available online. I've done a few courses as part of my training and theres absolutely no need to be 'gentle' with them for want of a better word. You'll be amazed, surprised, delighted and no doubt proud of what the kids can do when given the chance and coached well.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: dec on October 13, 2016, 02:54:02 AM
I have coached that age group here in the US with AYSO

Here is a link to some under 6 training activiies

http://www.ayso.org/For_Volunteers/coaches/coach_training_games/u6_training_games.htm

When I was coaching my sons team at that age the games had a 1 hour time slot.

30 mins practice with activities like in the link above
3v3 games, small nets no goalkeepers 4x5 minute quarters for the second 30 mins
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: dec on October 13, 2016, 03:05:27 AM
A piece of advice I got was to avoid the three Ls (lines, laps and lectures)

Let every kid have their own ball so they are not all lined up waiting to do what ever the activity is
Have them run dribbling a ball rather than just laps
If you have to spend more that 30 seconds to a minute explaining something then that is too much
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: BenDover on October 13, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: dec on October 13, 2016, 03:05:27 AM
A piece of advice I got was to avoid the three Ls (lines, laps and lectures)

Let every kid have their own ball so they are not all lined up waiting to do what ever the activity is
Have them run dribbling a ball rather than just laps
If you have to spend more that 30 seconds to a minute explaining something then that is too much

This is very important - this past few years I've helped out with our U6s and nursery group, in the nursery group everyone has a ball (soft indoor balls) and at that then ye can do whatever you want. Instead of working around cones etc we setup a large space to do dribbling, bouncing, throwing and catching, rolling > chase and pick up. Finishing each session of with a couple of games: Dodgeball (coaches on either side must try to hit runners (going from point A - B) below the knee
Stuck in the mud
Cups and saucers
Any ABC orientated game
and for a bit of competition a relay race out round a cone and high 5 and crawl through the rest of the teams legs - this is really simple and great fun, kids love a bit of competition.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: Billys Boots on October 13, 2016, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on October 12, 2016, 01:22:56 PM
Why just not them have a kick around?  Look up the trainers for the Paraplypcs?  Would Billys Boots have contacts in FAI that may be able to help?

Contact your local FAI regional development officer; you may be surprised about how much they will be keen to help.  Usually they will hook you up with a club or school that will facilitate training sessions, running a team, or integrating the kids within their structures.  For instance, our own club hosts the national vision impaired national Futsal squad. 
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: Billys Boots on October 13, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
Sorry, forgot the link for the FAI development officers contacts (don't know how up-to-date it is).

http://www.fai.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/FAI%20Contacts.pdf (http://www.fai.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/FAI%20Contacts.pdf).
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: stew on October 13, 2016, 12:04:59 PM
5 and six year olds have little to no concept of team, the idea at this stage is to get them to do ballwork and You Can use cones, make a square grid with gates 6ft wide and have them dribble through All four gates.

Restrict the session to 35 minutes or so and keep them moving and hydrated, have fun and the best of luck.

 
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 13, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
A ball per child is a must starting off

Some will need lighter and softer balls
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2016, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 13, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
A ball per child is a must starting off

Some will need lighter and softer balls
A ball per player is a brilliant start at any age. In hurling I insist upon it. In football I insist on one between two players.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: muppet on October 13, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2016, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 13, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
A ball per child is a must starting off

Some will need lighter and softer balls
A ball per player is a brilliant start at any age. In hurling I insist upon it. In football I insist on one between two players.

This might explain why there is feck all passing in Hurling....

...and too much in football!

;)
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2016, 10:36:50 AM
Quote from: muppet on October 13, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2016, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on October 13, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
A ball per child is a must starting off

Some will need lighter and softer balls
A ball per player is a brilliant start at any age. In hurling I insist upon it. In football I insist on one between two players.

This might explain why there is feck all passing in Hurling....

...and too much in football!

;)

It's about familiarity with the ball, and skills development. Passing comes later :)
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on October 14, 2016, 09:39:37 PM
Thanks for all the advice everyone. First session is tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: David McKeown on October 15, 2016, 10:14:19 PM
I've been coaching now for 10 years and the number one thing I would encourage is get as much coach education as you can. Initially about 15 years ago I got my UEFA B licence with the IFA but it's got far too expensive to keep it up to date with them so about 3 years I started again with the IFA and have to say their courses are excellent, much more convenient and better run. The level of support the development officers offer is fantastic. I strongly recommend contacting your local officer and getting as many coaches as you can through at least the basic courses.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 17, 2016, 01:57:50 PM
Don't be afraid to go to coaching courses run by different sports

You always pick up a few little ideas
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on November 18, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
Just a little update on this. Things have really moved on since I last posted.
We have been onto the FAI and they were very interested in what we are doing. They got back to us during the week and they have six coaches that are interested in working with us and they are drawing up a roster so we will always have two coaches on a Saturday.
They have also invited a head coach that worked with the Paralympic football team to observe our training at one of the sessions.
I know it sounds like we are taking it a bit serious but the emphasis really is on the kids having fun and they all seem to be really enjoying it.
My little fella gets very excited on a Saturday when I start getting him ready to bring him.
I can't claim any credit for the FAI involment as it was actually one of the Mothers who took it upon herself to contact them. So fair play to her and the FAI for helping out.
It will probably mean those of us that were helping out with training will be taking a back seat now but that's OK if these FAI coaches do work out.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: Billys Boots on November 18, 2016, 12:53:34 PM
QuoteI can't claim any credit for the FAI involment as it was actually one of the Mothers who took it upon herself to contact them. So fair play to her and the FAI for helping out.

So you just ignored me completely, after asking for advice?  :P
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: BenDover on November 18, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Any ideas for encouraging kids to use their non-preferred side. At our U8 session last night we finished of with a kick passing drill and I encouraged everyone to try the non-preferred side. The reaction I got from numerous kids, I can't... After a bit of coaching and encouragement a fair few of them were kicking away but I could just see how uncomfortable it was for them. I'm after anything you guys may have to help.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: stew on November 18, 2016, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 12, 2016, 01:30:23 PM
Coaching at 5 or 6 should be all about fun and games that involve their learning how to control their bodies. Bulldog, Tag, Pull the tail, Cups and Saucers, obstacle courses etc etc etc. Look up you tube for games for A(gility) B(alance) C(oordination), R(unning) J(umping) T(hrowing).

If you absolutely want them to be kicking a ball around at some stage, then have either a ball each, and make up little games for them to kick the ball through obstacles or whatever, or else have very small sided little conditioned games to make sure everyone gets a kick.

Here's just a quick sample. GAA's learning portal has some good stuff on ABCs as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ-GBufLNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ-GBufLNk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-dvhm6wK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-dvhm6wK0)

If it is football you are coaching you absolutely need to let them play for ten or fifteen minutes at the end of practice.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: laoislad on November 18, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on November 18, 2016, 12:53:34 PM
QuoteI can't claim any credit for the FAI involment as it was actually one of the Mothers who took it upon herself to contact them. So fair play to her and the FAI for helping out.

So you just ignored me completely, after asking for advice?  :P
I suggested it at the next session and she said she already had rang them! Typical woman taking over.....
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on November 18, 2016, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: BenDover on November 18, 2016, 01:07:01 PM
Any ideas for encouraging kids to use their non-preferred side. At our U8 session last night we finished of with a kick passing drill and I encouraged everyone to try the non-preferred side. The reaction I got from numerous kids, I can't... After a bit of coaching and encouragement a fair few of them were kicking away but I could just see how uncomfortable it was for them. I'm after anything you guys may have to help.
Are ye training indoors this time of year?  If yes, get them to take off their football boot / runner from their dominant foot - kids of that age dont like kicking a ball without a boot - I know its a bit left-field but it works for most - downside is you might have to tie a few laces afterwards!!!  :)
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: BenDover on November 18, 2016, 04:01:09 PM
Very little coaching done atm tbh we have 2 halls on the go with 5 a side matches (football in one and handpass only in the other). Last night one of our halls we had to get out of 15mins early so that's why we did a bit of kickpassing. good idea will give it a try next week.
Title: Re: Coaching Kids.
Post by: JimStynes on November 18, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
Anyone want to help out in my school?  ;) it's a handy number.