Of the teams who have exited the Championship, who stands a tiny chance of a nomination? Any Cavan, Fermanagh or Monaghan lads? Corrigan had a couple of good games. Longford should get a couple.
Diarmuid Connolly 5/1 for POTY. Kilkenny and Harte on 8s. Brogan at 11. Sean Cav is 40/1 - tempting if he puts in a clinker in the quarter.
O'Donoghue at 12/1 and Cillian O'Connor 20/1. Damien Comer is the Galway choice at 33/1
Galligan from Cavan?
What about him??
Might get a goalie nomination?
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
Of the teams who have exited the Championship, who stands a tiny chance of a nomination? Any Cavan, Fermanagh or Monaghan lads? Corrigan had a couple of good games. Longford should get a couple.
Diarmuid Connolly 5/1 for POTY. Kilkenny and Harte on 8s. Brogan at 11. Sean Cav is 40/1 - tempting if he puts in a clinker in the quarter.
O'Donoghue at 12/1 and Cillian O'Connor 20/1. Damien Comer is the Galway choice at 33/1
What is Diarmuid O'Connor?
Quote from: muppet on July 20, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
Of the teams who have exited the Championship, who stands a tiny chance of a nomination? Any Cavan, Fermanagh or Monaghan lads? Corrigan had a couple of good games. Longford should get a couple.
Diarmuid Connolly 5/1 for POTY. Kilkenny and Harte on 8s. Brogan at 11. Sean Cav is 40/1 - tempting if he puts in a clinker in the quarter.
O'Donoghue at 12/1 and Cillian O'Connor 20/1. Damien Comer is the Galway choice at 33/1
What is Diarmuid O'Connor?
A Mayo forward who doesn't score enough.
Quote from: muppet on July 20, 2016, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 08:11:46 PM
Of the teams who have exited the Championship, who stands a tiny chance of a nomination? Any Cavan, Fermanagh or Monaghan lads? Corrigan had a couple of good games. Longford should get a couple.
Diarmuid Connolly 5/1 for POTY. Kilkenny and Harte on 8s. Brogan at 11. Sean Cav is 40/1 - tempting if he puts in a clinker in the quarter.
O'Donoghue at 12/1 and Cillian O'Connor 20/1. Damien Comer is the Galway choice at 33/1
What is Diarmuid O'Connor?
25
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc?ev_oc_grp_ids=1007817
PP has it
Cluxton
McMahon, McCarron, Cooper
Harte, O'Sullivan, Murphy
Fenton, Colm Cav/Donnelly/Moran
Connolly, Kilkenny, D O'Connor
Brogan, Rock, McManaman/O'Neill
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
PP has it
Cluxton
McMahon, McCarron, Cooper
Harte, O'Sullivan, Murphy
Fenton, Colm Cav/Donnelly/Moran
Connolly, Kilkenny, D O'Connor
Brogan, Rock, McManaman/O'Neill
AOS is the 13th listed by PP.
Also, Kieran Kilkenny might see some more time in the hb line after McCarthy's injury.
I think BB & JOD (another omission from your team) are probably the best value at the moment.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-star-awards?ev_oc_grp_ids=18883
They've A O'S 4th in the half forward picks.
Quote from: muppet on July 20, 2016, 08:49:50 PM
Also, Kieran Kilkenny might see some more time in the hb line after McCarthy's injury.
I think BB & JOD (another omission from your team) are probably the best value at the moment.
He can switch with Murphy who hasn't played in the half-back line for Kerry this year.
The fact that JOD is 5th favourite for POTY despite only coming on the 58th minute of the Tipp game is a bit of a strange one.
Cluxton at favourite for the goalkeeping spot at 6/4 is another strangeish one - has he made any sort of a decent save so far? Could he win another All-Star on the basis of his kickouts when the vast majority have been short uncontested ones.
Midfield overall is a bit of an odd one - I can see this one being driven by who is likely to go far but Fenton at 11/10 seems very short odds as does Moran at 7/2 I'd have said the two Tyrone lads are a bit long (especially seeing as they can't meet Dublin until the final) as while they haven't been great they've been a bit better than the competition. I think the way the game has gone makes a bit of a mockery of the midfield All-Star category
Brian Fenton 11/10
David Moran 7/2
Matthew Donnelly 7/2
Colm Cavanagh 7/2
Michael D MacAuley 6/1
Mark Lynch 13/2
Seamus O'Shea 7/1
Anthony Maher 7/1
Thomas Flynn 10/1
Odhran McNiallais 12/1
Johnny Buckley 12/1
Gary Brennan 14/1
Peter Acheson 16/1
Tom Parsons 16/1
Barry Moran 20/1
Enda Smith 20/1
Ian Maguire 20/1
Ruairi Deane 28/1
Danny Cummins?
Quote from: Whishtup on July 20, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
Danny Cummins?
9/2 which is joint 8th favourite
Lots of competition in the full forward line and I just can't see Galway going far enough for Cummins to force his way into a top three spot.
Paul Conroy has probably been Galway's best player, deserves to be on that group of midfielders a lot more than some listed there including Tom Flynn.
Declan Kyne was mentioned by two separate writers (one of them is definitely an All Star voter I think) on Monday as a front runner for the full back position.
Of course unless you get to an All Ireland final good play in the provincial championships is irrelevant when it comes to All Stars and this is surely why any Galway players are long shots across the board.
What odds are Conroy? He must be shorter than Flynn at 10/1.
Conroy is 7/2 on PP...for the half forward line ::)
Dec Kyne is 2/1 for a FB line position to be fair.
Where are all the roscommon galacticos on these short lists or are bookies not offering odds on them as they will be too short? Surely at least 26 of them, at least are in the running for top awards such in the high esteem the very knowledgeable Syferus rates them?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 20, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
Conroy is 7/2 on PP...for the half forward line ::)
Dec Kyne is 2/1 for a FB line position to be fair.
If Galway did get to a semi final they you'd think they'd get at least one All star.
Sorry, these are the odds without the Roscommon players included. The market is closed with Roscommon included.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 20, 2016, 10:42:37 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 20, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
Conroy is 7/2 on PP...for the half forward line ::)
Dec Kyne is 2/1 for a FB line position to be fair.
If Galway did get to a semi final they you'd think they'd get at least one All star.
All depends on who the two finalists are and how they do really, if Dublin win back to back All Ireland's they'll have been undefeated all year, the All Star voters never needed any encouragement to give the Dubs votes even when they were going bad!
If Galway don't win the Q-final we definitely won't get one anyway regardless of how the players in contention for the awards play.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
Sorry, these are the odds without the Roscommon players included. The market is closed with Roscommon included.
Understandable, the bookies have got cleaned for umpteen years in a row offering any kind of odds on the galacticos.
If Galway make it to a semi final they probably will get one all star, Comer would be an obvious choice but Bradshaw could be a good outside bet, was very good so far in the sweeper role.
Tyrone won Ulster in '07 but received no All Stars so it's not a given.
If the all Ireland is a tight match the finalists will get 11 or so all stars. Winners 7 and losers 4.
If it is a massacre the losers get 2.
Semi finalists usually get 1 as a minimum. At least one allstar is reserved for plámás for a team like Monaghan or because a very good player on a team that got nowhere is good for interviews.Tyrone would not be in contention for the plámás all star because of the notions the team has.
Longford deserve one after beating the mushroom county.
Mark lynch at 13/2 makes a mockery of the competition. The man wasn't fit to run in the first round.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-legend-alan-brogan-chooses-his-midsummer-all-stars-and-player-of-the-year-so-far-34902415.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-legend-alan-brogan-chooses-his-midsummer-all-stars-and-player-of-the-year-so-far-34902415.html)
What does Brogan know? Where are all the Rossies in his article, he has 2 Galway lads on it that are from a team that are deemed vastly deferrier to Roscommon on the pitch and on the sideline.
Quote from: Mclf on July 22, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
What does Brogan know? Where are all the Rossies in his article, he has 2 Galway lads on it that are from a team that are deemed vastly deferrier to Roscommon on the pitch and on the sideline.
It might be time to let that go now.
Quote from: redzone on July 21, 2016, 08:27:06 AM
Mark lynch at 13/2 makes a mockery of the competition. The man wasn't fit to run in the first round.
So a man playing through the pain barrier makes a mockery of the competition? He helped dragged Derry through against Meath and Cavan and has scored 0-16 in the championship so far.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2016, 10:56:39 PM
Tyrone won Ulster in '07 but received no All Stars so it's not a given.
Yep. Happened also to Dublin twice I think. Other counties also.
Colm boyle.
Yeah, not sure how Brogan could have left him out, even the honourable mentions section! Boyle would be a shoe in for an All Star at the moment IMO.
Quote from: Zulu on July 22, 2016, 05:51:30 PM
Yeah, not sure how Brogan could have left him out, even the honourable mentions section! Boyle would be a shoe in for an All Star at the moment IMO.
Was he actually that good against Galway though for example? For all his grimacing and running around giving dunts to lads, his marker (a championship rookie) scored 0-3 from play. Don't get me wrong he's a good player but sometimes all the extraneous stuff covers up the actual performance. I didn't see the Kildare and Fermanagh games in full though so he could have been great in those I suppose.
When I saw Brogan had not bothered with Boyle I lost interest.
Against Galway Boyle was the only Mayo player to show the required intensity as well as leadership. I remember in the first half he was urging others to up it but sadly that did not happen. Against Kildare it was Boyle who instigated the purple patch before half time, after we had gone very flat again for 15 mins. I think he should have been left as captain. Cillian has enough on his plate and seems to be struggling for fitness still.
Surely either Clare or Tipp will get an all star
Gary Brennan has a good chance. Don't think any Tipp player has really stood out, it's been a collective effort. If they beat Galway there's a chance for someone like Quinlivan or Sweeney I suppose.
Quote from: moysider on July 22, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
When I saw Brogan had not bothered with Boyle I lost interest.
Against Galway Boyle was the only Mayo player to show the required intensity as well as leadership. I remember in the first half he was urging others to up it but sadly that did not happen. Against Kildare it was Boyle who instigated the purple patch before half time, after we had gone very flat again for 15 mins. I think he should have been left as captain. Cillian has enough on his plate and seems to be struggling for fitness still.
In fairness, just because Boyle has played well, it doesn't mean he's been better than Tiernan McCann, Peter Harte and Ryan McHugh. Cian O'Sullivan a strong contender too, not to mention James McCarthy who would have been first choice had it been based on league performances. Plenty of good options in the half back line for these meaningless interim awards, and I don't think there was anything particularly wrong with Brogan's choice.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 24, 2016, 09:40:02 AM
Gary Brennan has a good chance. Don't think any Tipp player has really stood out, it's been a collective effort. If they beat Galway there's a chance for someone like Quinlivan or Sweeney I suppose.
After yesterday acheson is 4/5 and quinlivan 1/3, both in with a great shout if they have decent games in the semi
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Yeah, I'd say you're looking at:
Tipp - min 1
Tyrone - min 1
Kerry - min 1
Mayo, Donegal & Dublin - min 1 if they make a SF
Winners - 7
Losing finalist - 4
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Yeah, I'd say you're looking at:
Tipp - min 1
Tyrone - min 1
Kerry - min 1
Mayo, Donegal & Dublin - min 1 if they make a SF
Winners - 7
Losing finalist - 4
Ya same as. Galways chance of winning at least one All Star is now gone. Tipperary should win at least one. Tyrone will win one for winning Ulster and more if they get further. Mayo will have to beat Tyrone to win any.
Sean Cav, Colm Cavan and Peter Harte will win one if we beat Mayo. Maybe Tiernan if he can get a few points.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 01, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
Sean Cav, Colm Cavan and Peter Harte will win one if we beat Mayo. Maybe Tiernan if he can get a few points.
Not if Tipp win the semi.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
I think that's only partially true. Historically they are dished out based on how far a team progresses in the championship. You could be the best footballer in the country but if your team is knocked out in the qf you will not be getting an all star. There is plenty of guess work involved at this stage, David Moran was a prime example last year who was one of the favourites for footballer of the year prior to the semi final and 2 games later he didn't even get an all star.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
98% of the football for the year is in the bank. Damning indictment of the All-Stars that only the games that are left will really factor in judging.
If Mayo get over Tyrone and Diarmuid O'Connor plays well, he'll be a lock for one. If Mayo go all the way, I'd strongly fancy him for FOTY too. If Tyrone come through, Peter Harte has to be in with a good shout and wouldn't be surprised to see Sean Cavanagh grab one. Tiernan McCann has to have a good chance too. Plenty of contenders all over the pitch for Dublin with Brian Fenton sure to pick one up if he keeps up the good form. I reckon Cian O'Sullivan will be there or thereabouts too. James O'Donoghue hasn't played nearly enough football this year to seriously be in contention for FOTY at this stage.
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
98% of the football for the year is in the bank. Damning indictment of the All-Stars that only the games that are left will really factor in judging.
Will the galacticos make it a clean sweep and get all 15 positions?
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
98% of the football for the year is in the bank. Damning indictment of the All-Stars that only the games that are left will really factor in judging.
Anything that has happened before now means nothing as regards the All-Stars. That 98% means nada except negatives for most teams and some team managements wishing they never got involved.
Only the games that are left mean anything and maybe some of those will mean anything either. The finalists will get at least 10 of the All- Stars.
So will Tyrone get 1?
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
So will Tyrone get 1?
Yeah Peter Harte ir Mattie Donnelly.
Quote from: seafoid on August 08, 2016, 04:46:51 PM
So will Tyrone get 1?
Peter Harte will be in with a good shout I reckon, beyond that anyone else will probably be doing well to get a nomination.
Tiernan McCann's hair deserves a nomination.
Consistently good all year.
Meath deserve one. Just to encourage them . God love them.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 07:34:31 PM
Tiernan McCann's hair deserves a nomination.
Consistently good all year.
Gets involved in too much ribbing, hasn't really gelled, too close to the crown, he'll get the chop.
Very well conditioned though.
Tiernan's hair has been moulded over the past number of season in Garvaghy.
The urban dwellers on the Tyrone panel are sent for "coul gap conditioniong" to toughen them up the the level of the country lads.
The site of Tyrone's Center of Excellence in Garavaghy was choosen in part for this specific purpose. The training involves replicating the manning of a gap to block livestock that the culchies would be well used to and thought to give them extra fortitude as a result. It involves standing in an area between two hedges which funnel the wind into the gap. The townies have to stand there for 20mins after each training session with only a stick which they must wave about frantically from time to time.
Anyone with longer hair like Tiernan get his molded in the much admired fashion that he displays with pride at every match and rightly so, its a true badge of honour to his achievements in the gap
A few points of note:
The McMahons were deemed not to require the treatment as they had Yorkshire grit.
Tiernans incident last year with Darren Hughes from Monaghan was known as a "gust reaction". While in the gap during a storm gusts can actually lift player of their feet. The only defence of this is to fall to the ground immediately, many dont make it in time and end up getting blown into the bog bank. Tiernans hair tho has given him and advantage, its suspected that his hair has developed sensitivity to slight pressure changes that indicate a gust is coming, so Tiernan is on the ground while Ronan O'Neill is eating turf. In the incident last year its suspected that Darren Hughes triggered those senors and Tiernan's brain automatically thought he was back in Garvaghy and he went straight down
I heard Tiernan McCann's hair has it's meals delivered to it every day at it's place of work.
Harte will probably get Tyrones token all star now.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 09:23:33 PM
I heard Tiernan McCann's hair has it's meals delivered to it every day at it's place of work.
Not because it's a place of work...
...it's because he's worth it.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
Harte will probably get Tyrones token all star now.
Think Keegan will be nailed on but the other wing-back spot could be between McHugh/Harte unless someone else steps up in the next two games.
Dublin might play Kilkenny at wing-back for the remaining game(s) but I'd hate to see him get one for the type of role he's playing now.
Quote from: Syferus on August 01, 2016, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 01, 2016, 06:21:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Very premature to be talking about Tipp being guaranteed an All-Star at this stage.
Teams don't win All-Stars, players do.
Loads of football to be played yet.
98% of the football for the year is in the bank. Damning indictment of the All-Stars that only the games that are left will really factor in judging.
Seeing stars was what ye spent yeer cameo in the championship at
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 08, 2016, 09:33:54 PM
Harte will probably get Tyrones token all star now.
Think Keegan will be nailed on but the other wing-back spot could be between McHugh/Harte unless someone else steps up in the next two games.
Dublin might play Kilkenny at wing-back for the remaining game(s) but I'd hate to see him get one for the type of role he's playing now.
Kilkenny deserves one .... for the most agricultural handpass in the game today
However, Bernard will have a word with his aul fella and with his brother to push another narrative against Kilkenny cos such a shtyle of handpass is completely out of sync with that which should be associated with the Galacticos
Quinlivan guarenteed an all star for us, acheson in with a good shout but might just miss out, comerford will get a nomination, maybe fox and Sweeney will get nominations too
Would have thought Sweeney would be guaranteed an all star and probably Quinlivan depending how the all ireland pans out
Quote from: maigheo on August 22, 2016, 10:42:34 PM
Would have thought Sweeney would be guaranteed an all star and probably Quinlivan depending how the all ireland pans out
no chance of getting 2 in the ff line and quinlivan will def get one ahead of sweeney
Yeah you could be right but if I was picking one forward from Tipp for the Mayo team it would be Sweeney
Could Mayo be the first team ever to get to an AI final and not get an All-Star?
A bit like the team, no player has nailed on a complete performance in any game. A year of cameos all round.
I can not think of one Mayo player that is a banker to get one. Regardless of what happens in the final, their big names are bound to get a few, purely based on reputations from years past.
Quote from: Beffs on August 23, 2016, 01:55:50 AM
I can not think of one Mayo player that is a banker to get one. Regardless of what happens in the final, their big names are bound to get a few, purely based on reputations from years past.
Lee Keegan held his marker scoreless from play again on Sunday and probably looking forward to marking Diarmuid Connolly out of the game again if they meet in the final.
Lee Keegan must have given away at least 2 or 3 scored frees on Sunday though. There's an asterisk beside kept him scoreless from play!
Andy Moran with one of the more improbable comebacks to All-Star level in recent memory.
Peter Harte and Ryan McHugh should be assured of all stars if they have any bit of credibility left.
McHugh should really be going for three in a row now but could miss out again.
Think we (Dublin) have only the one cert at the moment in Brian Fenton. Lose on Sunday and that is probably all we will have . Imo anyway.
Berno, no?
Quote from: Jinxy on August 23, 2016, 10:36:33 AM
Berno, no?
Not quiet yet. A bad semi final after the poorish quarter final ( by his very high standards) might kibosh him.
Quote from: Canalman on August 23, 2016, 10:35:23 AM
Think we (Dublin) have only the one cert at the moment in Brian Fenton. Lose on Sunday and that is probably all we will have . Imo anyway.
Dublin surely have a couple. Ciaran Kilkenny has been receiving a lot of plaudits for his role. Johnny Cooper has been very good. Dean Rock?
I think Tipp will get one, and if it were me, I'd give it to Sweeney rather than Quinlivan, although both are worthy of a nomination. I expect Evan Comerford, Peter Acheson, and maybe Bill Maher or Robbie Kiely to also get a nomination.
Bill Maher almost had a great game against Mayo, but he didn't. End product was poor after some great runs
He was very good against Derry and Galway. I'd expect him to get nominated, but he won't get one. Typical that when he slipped trying to kick a point, the ball went harmless. When Even REgan did the same, it ended up in a goal! Pah.
When all is said and done it will be the same as normal, majority of all stars will be Dublin and Roscommon galacticos.
Just thinking about this today and if Dublin win the title we could be looking at a record number of All Stars from one team. There could be as many as 10/11 Dublin players on the final selection such has been their dominance. Scary.
Of teams that are out of the championship the only guaranteed All Stars should be Quinlivan, Harte and Geaney. All the others will be decided after the final result. If Mayo get tanked they will get 1/2 max.
Keeper - shouldn't get one unless he has a great final
Back 6 - 3 maybe
Midfield - Fenton
Forwards - Rock and Kilkenny are pretty much certs for me, BB & Connolly likely winners, then maybe KMac?
Someone will have a belter in the final and get one, but if any of BB, Connolly or KMac don't go well they won't get one.
8/9 max assuming they walk the final. Win a tight one and it will be less, lose and far less.
Wouldn't have Kilkenny as a cert.
Rock & Kev Mac have been the most consistent forwards.
Players that would be certs for me.
Dublin - Fenton, McCarthy, Cooper, McManamon, O'Sullivan
Mayo - Clarke, Keegan
Kerry - Geaney
Tyrone - Harte
Donegal - McHugh
Clare - Brennan
Tipp will probably get one with either Sweeney or Quinlavin. Andy Moran is probably pushing hard as well and I feel Cathal McCarron deserves one but will probably miss out. Dublin will grab another forward spot with whoever puts in a big performance in the final making the biggest claim.
It would be a travesty if Ryan McHugh gets robbed of another all star for the third year running.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2016, 06:21:56 PM
Players that would be certs for me.
Dublin - Fenton, McCarthy, Cooper, McManamon, O'Sullivan
Mayo - Clarke, Keegan
Kerry - Geaney
Tyrone - Harte
Donegal - McHugh
Clare - Brennan
Tipp will probably get one with either Sweeney or Quinlavin. Andy Moran is probably pushing hard as well and I feel Cathal McCarron deserves one but will probably miss out. Dublin will grab another forward spot with whoever puts in a big performance in the final making the biggest claim.
It would be a travesty if Ryan McHugh gets robbed of another all star for the third year running.
Not a hope and if he got one I'd consider it a bit patronising.
Current all-star favorites with Paddy power
David Clarke (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Philly McMahon (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Aidan O Shea (Mayo)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
That's seven for Dublin,four for Mayo,two for Kerry,one each for Tipperary Clare and none for Tyrone.
I have M Donnelly in before brennan or have A O`Se at midfield
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 01, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 01, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Tipperary will now get one All Star minimum, I'd say Quinlivan has been their most impressive player to date.
Yeah, I'd say you're looking at:
Tipp - min 1
Tyrone - min 1
Kerry - min 1
Mayo, Donegal & Dublin - min 1 if they make a SF
Winners - 7
Losing finalist - 4
At this stage, you're looking at:
Tipp - Quinlivan (outside chance for the keeper)
Tyrone - Harte (outside chance for Donnelly)
Kerry - Geaney and maybe Murphy
Donegal - maybe McHugh
3-4 for the losers, 7-9 for the winners.
Galway would be the first provincial winners in a while to miss out on one but the tanking they took from Tipp has tarnished that in most people's minds
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 29, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
I have M Donnelly in before brennan or have A O`Se at midfield
Donnelly's chances are blighted by his black card against Donegal and his non-impact on the game as a result. Sludden is very unlucky but he won't come into serious consideration due to the QF exit. McCarron really deserves one, marked Murphy out of it in the Ulster final and thought he was brilliant against Mayo and was one a handful of players who looked to drag us over the line.
Harte has to be a banker though, superb in pretty much every game for us in Championship, he really should be a nominee for footballer of the year but no chance of that given we didn't make the last 4.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 29, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
I have M Donnelly in before brennan or have A O`Se at midfield
Donnelly's chances are blighted by his black card against Donegal and his non-impact on the game as a result. Sludden is very unlucky but he won't come into serious consideration due to the QF exit. McCarron really deserves one, marked Murphy out of it in the Ulster final and thought he was brilliant against Mayo and was one a handful of players who looked to drag us over the line.
Harte has to be a banker though, superb in pretty much every game for us in Championship, he really should be a nominee for footballer of the year but no chance of that given we didn't make the last 4.
No, he doesn't. Not even close. Constant sledging and missing simple scores does not an All-Star make.
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
Kerry have two nailed on. Moran and Geaney. Shane Enright has a shot.
Mayo have four nailed on. Keegan ( as ever), Andy moran and AOS and Boyle.
Tipp have two nailed on. Comerford and Quinlivan
Dublin have five nailed on . Cooper, COS , Fenton, Connolly and Kilkenny.
So there are two up for grabs in the final
A decent final and McMenamin will get one. His career deserves one as well. His sub role probably cost him in the past. You have to admire how he never sulked about not starting and always made a massive impact.
Another good performance by Rock could see him get one too.
Higgins has been good as well but hasn't really played corner back much this year. Paul Murphy has also played in the forwards and should not be accommodated in the backs imo.
Second mid-field position up for grabs. Fenton a gimmie.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2016, 11:01:26 PM
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
You think? Diarmuid O Connor U21 performances were less than vintage in Connacht this year his best game was against average Dublin team where Con O'Callaghan was probably the best forward on the field as he carried his side. In the AI final Loftus,Coen,Ruane,Irwin all played better than O Connor did IMO
if Peter Harte doesn't get one this year it'll be a disgrace.
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2016, 11:01:26 PM
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
If he's not fit he shouldn't be on the field and the manager is a proper joker in that case - hence we have to assume he's been fit. Looks more like the lost kid he did in his first two years at senior than the player he looked v Dublin last year. Like his brother consistency from play is an issue and unlike his brother he doesn't have frees to paper over the cracks.
Doesn't deserve an All-Star even if he was MotM in the final imho.
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2016, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2016, 11:01:26 PM
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
If he's not fit he shouldn't be on the field and the manager is a proper joker in that case - hence we have to assume he's been fit. Looks more like the lost kid he did in his first two years at senior than the player he looked v Dublin last year. Like his brother consistency from play is an issue and unlike his brother he doesn't have frees to paper over the cracks.
Doesn't deserve an All-Star even if he was MotM in the final imho.
Oh dear. You obviously cannot make a distinction between fit and coming back from injury and getting up to speed and form.
Unfortunately in Mayo we don't have a conveyor belt of forward talent like Roscommon does and we have to go with players that are not quite at their best.
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2016, 01:01:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2016, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2016, 11:01:26 PM
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
If he's not fit he shouldn't be on the field and the manager is a proper joker in that case - hence we have to assume he's been fit. Looks more like the lost kid he did in his first two years at senior than the player he looked v Dublin last year. Like his brother consistency from play is an issue and unlike his brother he doesn't have frees to paper over the cracks.
Doesn't deserve an All-Star even if he was MotM in the final imho.
Oh dear. You obviously cannot make a distinction between fit and coming back from injury and getting up to speed and form.
Unfortunately in Mayo we don't have a conveyor belt of forward talent like Roscommon does and we have to go with players that are not quite at their best.
If he's not fit - and fit means being able to play football at a high level not being physically fit - so if you're telling me he wasn't ready to go you've indicted Rochford. There's two options - Rochford is playing players who shouldn't be starting or the player in question is having trouble maintaining form. I thought he had a quiet U21 championship bar the Dublin match too.
We learnt our lessons about playing injured players this year and a lot of people clamouring for the lads not fit enough to start were somehow surprised when the same lads didn't make an impact when thrown on against Clare..
Not sure so many "nailed on" as mentioned above, or at least as mentioned. Half back line in particular is an absolute mine field - there will be top players who miss out.
James McCarthy was arguably (and in my opinion) the best player in the country, and certainly the leading half back, for the duration of the league. Injury has set him back in the queue, but a big final and he'll be a massive contender.
Lee Keegan had a poor Connacht championship, and a poor first 20 minutes v Tipp, and I think people have him nailed on because of his name (bear in mind I do think he is the best wing back in the country) but for me, based purely on this year I think he still has some work to do in the final to pass out Harte and McHugh - although one of the latter could perhaps be accommodated at half forward.
Colm Boyle was easily Mayo's best player in Connacht, but has been quieter in the back-door. But again a big final and he's right in contention. Also for the Dubs, Cian O'Sullivan has strolled through the championship, but when the muck hit the fan on Sunday, he stepped up in fantastic style. Like Keegan, if you were picking an Ireland GAA XV to play a match, he'd be a cert starter, but would need a good final to get an All Star in my view.
Meanwhile Paddy Power make Paul Murphy the number 1 favourite for a half back spot, ahead of all the above mentioned!
Not sure about Quinlivan being a cert. Does he not hit too many wides? With the Tipp keeper now looking very good, that could be all Tipp get (along with a few nominations).
While David Moran was immense on Sunday I thought, he'd a quiet enough year - so while for me it would be him and Fenton, the selectors might use the opportunity to give the 2nd spot to Clare, Tyrone or Galway. Colm Cavanaugh at 12/1 might not be a bad bet.
From a Dublin forward perspective, I think McManamon should be ahead of Kilkenny.
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Not sure so many "nailed on" as mentioned above, or at least as mentioned. Half back line in particular is an absolute mine field - there will be top players who miss out.
James McCarthy was arguably (and in my opinion) the best player in the country, and certainly the leading half back, for the duration of the league. Injury has set him back in the queue, but a big final and he'll be a massive contender.
Lee Keegan had a poor Connacht championship, and a poor first 20 minutes v Tipp, and I think people have him nailed on because of his name (bear in mind I do think he is the best wing back in the country) but for me, based purely on this year I think he still has some work to do in the final to pass out Harte and McHugh - although one of the latter could perhaps be accommodated at half forward.
Colm Boyle was easily Mayo's best player in Connacht, but has been quieter in the back-door. But again a big final and he's right in contention. Also for the Dubs, Cian O'Sullivan has strolled through the championship, but when the muck hit the fan on Sunday, he stepped up in fantastic style. Like Keegan, if you were picking an Ireland GAA XV to play a match, he'd be a cert starter, but would need a good final to get an All Star in my view.
Meanwhile Paddy Power make Paul Murphy the number 1 favourite for a half back spot, ahead of all the above mentioned!
Not sure about Quinlivan being a cert. Does he not hit too many wides? With the Tipp keeper now looking very good, that could be all Tipp get (along with a few nominations).
While David Moran was immense on Sunday I thought, he'd a quiet enough year - so while for me it would be him and Fenton, the selectors might use the opportunity to give the 2nd spot to Clare, Tyrone or Galway. Colm Cavanaugh at 12/1 might not be a bad bet.
From a Dublin forward perspective, I think McManamon should be ahead of Kilkenny.
Quinlivan is 1/50 with paddy power, think you could probably call him a cert at them odds. I think hes top scorer from play in the championship and his game is more about being that target man, drifting out field and bringing others into it.
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Not sure so many "nailed on" as mentioned above, or at least as mentioned. Half back line in particular is an absolute mine field - there will be top players who miss out.
James McCarthy was arguably (and in my opinion) the best player in the country, and certainly the leading half back, for the duration of the league. Injury has set him back in the queue, but a big final and he'll be a massive contender.
Lee Keegan had a poor Connacht championship, and a poor first 20 minutes v Tipp, and I think people have him nailed on because of his name (bear in mind I do think he is the best wing back in the country) but for me, based purely on this year I think he still has some work to do in the final to pass out Harte and McHugh - although one of the latter could perhaps be accommodated at half forward.
Colm Boyle was easily Mayo's best player in Connacht, but has been quieter in the back-door. But again a big final and he's right in contention. Also for the Dubs, Cian O'Sullivan has strolled through the championship, but when the muck hit the fan on Sunday, he stepped up in fantastic style. Like Keegan, if you were picking an Ireland GAA XV to play a match, he'd be a cert starter, but would need a good final to get an All Star in my view.
Meanwhile Paddy Power make Paul Murphy the number 1 favourite for a half back spot, ahead of all the above mentioned!
Not sure about Quinlivan being a cert. Does he not hit too many wides? With the Tipp keeper now looking very good, that could be all Tipp get (along with a few nominations).
While David Moran was immense on Sunday I thought, he'd a quiet enough year - so while for me it would be him and Fenton, the selectors might use the opportunity to give the 2nd spot to Clare, Tyrone or Galway. Colm Cavanaugh at 12/1 might not be a bad bet.
From a Dublin forward perspective, I think McManamon should be ahead of Kilkenny.
I'd be comfortable to put my mortgage on all 13 being correct
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2016, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 30, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Not sure so many "nailed on" as mentioned above, or at least as mentioned. Half back line in particular is an absolute mine field - there will be top players who miss out.
James McCarthy was arguably (and in my opinion) the best player in the country, and certainly the leading half back, for the duration of the league. Injury has set him back in the queue, but a big final and he'll be a massive contender.
Lee Keegan had a poor Connacht championship, and a poor first 20 minutes v Tipp, and I think people have him nailed on because of his name (bear in mind I do think he is the best wing back in the country) but for me, based purely on this year I think he still has some work to do in the final to pass out Harte and McHugh - although one of the latter could perhaps be accommodated at half forward.
Colm Boyle was easily Mayo's best player in Connacht, but has been quieter in the back-door. But again a big final and he's right in contention. Also for the Dubs, Cian O'Sullivan has strolled through the championship, but when the muck hit the fan on Sunday, he stepped up in fantastic style. Like Keegan, if you were picking an Ireland GAA XV to play a match, he'd be a cert starter, but would need a good final to get an All Star in my view.
Meanwhile Paddy Power make Paul Murphy the number 1 favourite for a half back spot, ahead of all the above mentioned!
Not sure about Quinlivan being a cert. Does he not hit too many wides? With the Tipp keeper now looking very good, that could be all Tipp get (along with a few nominations).
While David Moran was immense on Sunday I thought, he'd a quiet enough year - so while for me it would be him and Fenton, the selectors might use the opportunity to give the 2nd spot to Clare, Tyrone or Galway. Colm Cavanaugh at 12/1 might not be a bad bet.
From a Dublin forward perspective, I think McManamon should be ahead of Kilkenny.
I'd be comfortable to put my mortgage on all 13 being correct
Now, I'm no bookmaker, but by my calculations that will return odds of 1413.291/1.
A quick google tells me (info from 2014)
"
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The average mortgage loan in the market increased to €170,720 in Q2 2014, which is up 6.5% compared to Q2 2013. The average First Time Buyer loan is €162,000. The average mover mortgage is €209,000."
You're going to be rich!
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 29, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
I have M Donnelly in before brennan or have A O`Se at midfield
Donnelly's chances are blighted by his black card against Donegal and his non-impact on the game as a result. Sludden is very unlucky but he won't come into serious consideration due to the QF exit. McCarron really deserves one, marked Murphy out of it in the Ulster final and thought he was brilliant against Mayo and was one a handful of players who looked to drag us over the line.
Harte has to be a banker though, superb in pretty much every game for us in Championship, he really should be a nominee for footballer of the year but no chance of that given we didn't make the last 4.
Is that a joke? He really doesn't
Quote from: DuffleKing on August 31, 2016, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 29, 2016, 08:45:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 29, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
I have M Donnelly in before brennan or have A O`Se at midfield
Donnelly's chances are blighted by his black card against Donegal and his non-impact on the game as a result. Sludden is very unlucky but he won't come into serious consideration due to the QF exit. McCarron really deserves one, marked Murphy out of it in the Ulster final and thought he was brilliant against Mayo and was one a handful of players who looked to drag us over the line.
Harte has to be a banker though, superb in pretty much every game for us in Championship, he really should be a nominee for footballer of the year but no chance of that given we didn't make the last 4.
Is that a joke? He really doesn't
He deserves it as much as any other defender, he had a brilliant year.
McCarron? How did he have a brilliant year? As far as I could see his year was made up of roaring at lads, and kicking wides. Ah no, in all seriousness he's been okay, but he's very protected in that Tyrone formation and there's no way he's been more deserving of an All star than the likes of Philly McMahon, Keith Higgins, Brendan Harrison or a few other lads.
IT's actually hard to say who is deserving of defensive, and indeed attacking, awards because of the way positions have changed. Keith Higgins wears number 4, is he a corner back? Philly McMahon bombs forward. Harrison is probably more of an archetype corner back and has had a very good debut season. If he keeps his man quiet in the AIF, I'd say he'll get one.
Tyrone will certainly get one All Star in Harte and if they get another it will be Donnelly not McCarron. I think he had a very good summer but hasn't done enough for All Star given Tyrone were knocked when they were.
I think Comer is unlucky to miss out on an All Star, he was superb all summer but he'll miss out given the nature of the hiding Galway got against Tipp although in fairness Quinlivan & Geaney have both had excellent summers too.
The way the game is going it is now hard for an old school solid stopper/ spoiler of a back to win an allstar. Less of the onus on backs now "to keep their man scoreless" with the semi zonal defence now the norm and a sweeper covering your behind.
Need now to be booming up the pitch now and then imo to be in the running which imo is a pity.
I think Cooper is the most effective 'traditional' corner back in the modern game.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 30, 2016, 11:07:09 PM
I'd be comfortable to put my mortgage on all 13 being correct
Fill your boots so:
Andy Moran 3/1
Colm Boyle 3/1
David Moran 12/1
Here's my selection so far.
D.Clarke
K.Higgins
J.Cooper
P.McMahon
L.Keegan (Snuffed out S.Cavanagh which led to his team's victory)
C.O'Sullivan
P.Murphy
B.Fenton
Moran (no obvious outstanding mf this year but kicks good scores)
P.Harte (scored 3.11 in 5 games)
A.O'Shea (came back well after his dive incident)
McManoman (always seem to kick important scores for Dublin near the end)
Geaney (scored 3.15 in 4 games)
Connolly
Rock (top scorer in the championship 1.45 in 5 games)
No Tipp lads?
Quick, pick a Tipp lad before AZ goes mad!! ;D
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 31, 2016, 04:29:23 PM
Here's my selection so far.
D.Clarke
K.Higgins
J.Cooper
P.McMahon
L.Keegan (Snuffed out S.Cavanagh which led to his team's victory)
C.O'Sullivan
P.Murphy
B.Fenton
Moran (no obvious outstanding mf this year but kicks good scores)
P.Harte (scored 3.11 in 5 games)
A.O'Shea (came back well after his dive incident)
McManoman (always seem to kick important scores for Dublin near the end)
Geaney (scored 3.15 in 4 games)
Connolly
Rock (top scorer in the championship 1.45 in 5 games)
Replace Rock (very unfortunate) with Quinlivan, drop Harte into the half back in place of Murphy and stick Kilkenny in the half forward line. That would be my team at the minute. The final will no doubt change a few of these selections though.
How anyone could leave Ryan McHugh out baffles me.
What has Paul Murphy prove against the likes of Tipp and Clare that McHugh didn't against a far superior line of opposition all Championship.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 31, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
How anyone could leave Ryan McHugh out baffles me.
What has Paul Murphy prove against the likes of Tipp and Clare that McHugh didn't against a far superior line of opposition all Championship.
He completely shut down Kilkenny (current 2nd favourite for Player of the Year) the last day and had very solid performances against Tipp and Clare.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Kilkenny gets a lot more joy come the final.
How in the name of f**k is Kilkenny in the running for poty?? I mean he runs around the empty middle of the park doing one twos with his shadow. Jesus I have never seen as careful and fearful a player so heralded in the game as he is. Fylnn in his pomp was a brilliant exponent of that hf role of sweeping attacking and being the link man, Murphy, Mchugh are far finer examples in the championship of being the linking player around the park. At least they've a cutting edge and attack with menance. Floating about the 40 isn't what a poty does.
A half decent performance for Connolly in the final should win him the POTY. Kilkenny has been consistently good all year but Connolly has that X factor and has taken up the mantle from the hooch of the most naturally gifted footballer of his era. Was unlucky not to win it in 2014 and would be a travesty if he didn't win the award given his ability.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 31, 2016, 11:57:20 PM
A half decent performance for Connolly in the final should win him the POTY. Kilkenny has been consistently good all year but Connolly has that X factor and has taken up the mantle from the hooch of the most naturally gifted footballer of his era. Was unlucky not to win it in 2014 and would be a travesty if he didn't win the award given his ability.
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This thread could easily be about the 2017 awards also.
Dublin, Mayo & Kerry have that tob-table coziness sharing the All-Ireland's between them.
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 31, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 31, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
How anyone could leave Ryan McHugh out baffles me.
What has Paul Murphy prove against the likes of Tipp and Clare that McHugh didn't against a far superior line of opposition all Championship.
He completely shut down Kilkenny (current 2nd favourite for Player of the Year) the last day and had very solid performances against Tipp and Clare.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Kilkenny gets a lot more joy come the final.
I'd have Murphy, Keegan and McHugh as my half backs and sure OSullivan can be slotted in somewhere if needs be.
Would Fenton not be a candidate for player of the year unless Mayo go all the way.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2016, 09:04:49 AM
Would Fenton not be a candidate for player of the year unless Mayo go all the way.
Probable young player of the year.
Not a chance that McHugh will get an all-star. Donegal haven't done enough for him to get one.
Peter Harte will get Tyrone's one.
I just thought McHugh was very quiet in the second half of the Ulster final and besides his goal in the Dublin game I thought he was quiet enough there too. I wasn't sure about Paul Murphy but yes he did mark Kilkenny well who tends to control a lot of Dublins' attacks.
I chose Rock as he's improved quite a lot from play but his reliability in frees alone is a huge bonus for Dublin and with the tight blanket defences nowadays and lack of scores from play then a reliable free taker is massive.
I think it's nonsense to say Kilkenny was kept quiet by Murphy. He had the joint most possessions (30, same as Fenton) in the match and did what he always does when in possession - keeps it simple and tries to give it to someone who might make something happen. He only lost possession once as well as kicked one wide. Every other time he found a Dub.
Ignoring the Donegal aberattion, that's a standard very solid contribution from Kilkenny.
No way does Murphy deserve an All Star at half back, given there are so many other strong contenders.
Quote from: twohands!!! on August 31, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 31, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
How anyone could leave Ryan McHugh out baffles me.
What has Paul Murphy prove against the likes of Tipp and Clare that McHugh didn't against a far superior line of opposition all Championship.
He completely shut down Kilkenny (current 2nd favourite for Player of the Year) the last day and had very solid performances against Tipp and Clare.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Kilkenny gets a lot more joy come the final.
That doesn't meet the criteria.
McHugh has been his side's best player in pretty much every game he has played this year, he has done a lot more than shut down players.
I think it tells you the farce that the All Stars are when McHugh is set to miss out for an All Star for the third year in a row despite his performances meriting oen in each of those years. To think Paul Murphy might win his second All Star and McHugh has none says it all about the waste of time they are.
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Not a chance that McHugh will get an all-star. Donegal haven't done enough for him to get one.
Peter Harte will get Tyrone's one.
Teams shouldn't get All Stars, players should and McHugh has been one of the best 5 players in the Championship this summer.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 01, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Not a chance that McHugh will get an all-star. Donegal haven't done enough for him to get one.
Peter Harte will get Tyrone's one.
Teams shouldn't get All Stars, players should and McHugh has been one of the best 5 players in the Championship this summer.
I don't disagree. But the reality is that it's very much about team performance.
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 01, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Not a chance that McHugh will get an all-star. Donegal haven't done enough for him to get one.
Peter Harte will get Tyrone's one.
Teams shouldn't get All Stars, players should and McHugh has been one of the best 5 players in the Championship this summer.
I don't disagree. But the reality is that it's very much about team performance.
Except when the player gives extraordinary individual performances e.g. Karl Lacey's All Stars in 2006 and 2009. Donegal only made quarter finals (losing to Cork) in those years too, but Lacey shut down the likes of Paddy Bradley (twice), Daniel Goulding, Michael Meehan, Stevie McDonnell and others along the way.
I remember there were plenty arguing against Lacey meriting awards on the board here based solely on the "team performance" aspect of it.
But, its not completely unprecedented. The likes of Declan Browne comes to mind as well. And don't forget Michael Murphy won young player of the year in 2009.
Quote from: J70 on September 02, 2016, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 01, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: StephenC on September 01, 2016, 11:05:04 AM
Not a chance that McHugh will get an all-star. Donegal haven't done enough for him to get one.
Peter Harte will get Tyrone's one.
Teams shouldn't get All Stars, players should and McHugh has been one of the best 5 players in the Championship this summer.
I don't disagree. But the reality is that it's very much about team performance.
Except when the player gives extraordinary individual performances e.g. Karl Lacey's All Stars in 2006 and 2009. Donegal only made quarter finals (losing to Cork) in those years too, but Lacey shut down the likes of Paddy Bradley (twice), Daniel Goulding, Michael Meehan, Stevie McDonnell and others along the way.
I remember there were plenty arguing against Lacey meriting awards on the board here based solely on the "team performance" aspect of it.
But, its not completely unprecedented. The likes of Declan Browne comes to mind as well. And don't forget Michael Murphy won young player of the year in 2009.
Westmeath got 2 in 2008 despite only beating Longford, Offaly and Tipp.
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2016, 08:42:43 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 30, 2016, 01:01:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 30, 2016, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 29, 2016, 11:01:26 PM
Unfortunately Emmet Bolton's petulant kick on Diarmuid O Connor has put paid to O Connor's chances unless he has a mighty final. One of the nastiest incidents of the year. Unpunished and really set back O Connor when he was flying. He gave some of the best performances I ve seen in U21 grade this year.
If he's not fit he shouldn't be on the field and the manager is a proper joker in that case - hence we have to assume he's been fit. Looks more like the lost kid he did in his first two years at senior than the player he looked v Dublin last year. Like his brother consistency from play is an issue and unlike his brother he doesn't have frees to paper over the cracks.
Doesn't deserve an All-Star even if he was MotM in the final imho.
Oh dear. You obviously cannot make a distinction between fit and coming back from injury and getting up to speed and form.
Unfortunately in Mayo we don't have a conveyor belt of forward talent like Roscommon does and we have to go with players that are not quite at their best.
If he's not fit - and fit means being able to play football at a high level not being physically fit - so if you're telling me he wasn't ready to go you've indicted Rochford. There's two options - Rochford is playing players who shouldn't be starting or the player in question is having trouble maintaining form. I thought he had a quiet U21 championship bar the Dublin match too.
We learnt our lessons about playing injured players this year and a lot of people clamouring for the lads not fit enough to start were somehow surprised when the same lads didn't make an impact when thrown on against Clare..
Rochford clearly doesn't know what he is doing, Sufferus to get the gig in his beloved Mayo next year and take man management and player welfare to a degree that will put Jim Gavin to shame
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If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Tipp won more than Kk in the 2014 hurling All Stars
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the
real champions were that year.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
As we would say up our way "Aye right".
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
Roscommon
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
Meath that year played 10 championship matches!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 12, 2016, 07:36:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
Meath that year played 10 championship matches!
Meh, they only won five of them.
Quote from: seafoid on September 12, 2016, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
Roscommon
Wickla were very close to beating Meath that year - people forget that.
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Didn't Brian Whelehan get hurler of the year and not get an all star one year??
Quote from: seafoid on September 12, 2016, 05:05:39 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
Roscommon
Technically they're the winners , every year
The finalists are hardly worth 11 allstars after today.
The all conquering blue forward line got 2 points from play
P Flynn, K McManamon, C Kilkenny, D Rock (0-04, 3f), D Connolly (0-01), Bernard Brogan
Jaysus
Flynn was bad yet again.hes having a poor year.
Paddy Andrews for FOTY.
John Small will have put himself in contention today, he was my MOTM.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 11, 2016, 06:12:06 PM
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Joe would have to revisit the forwards
Fenton is evens for POTY
To me Clarkes kick outs and brainfreeze under high balls probably make Comerford nailed on for keeper.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 10:08:37 PM
To me Clarkes kick outs and brainfreeze under high balls probably make Comerford nailed on for keeper.
What about the shot he caught over the bar and the saves he made from Fenton (x2).
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 10:08:37 PM
To me Clarkes kick outs and brainfreeze under high balls probably make Comerford nailed on for keeper.
What about the shot he caught over the bar and the saves he made from Fenton (x2).
One ended up a goal didn't it. His rushing of kick outs near full time put them three points behind. His decision making on high ball was shocking and coming of line.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 18, 2016, 10:08:37 PM
To me Clarkes kick outs and brainfreeze under high balls probably make Comerford nailed on for keeper.
What about the shot he caught over the bar and the saves he made from Fenton (x2).
One ended up a goal didn't it. His rushing of kick outs near full time put them three points behind. His decision making on high ball was shocking and coming of line.
It was still a great save, little he can do about one of his own men tapping it into his net.
Clarke has been the best keeper this year, he's made a number of crucial saves at huge moments. I think you can forgive him a couple of poor kick outs.
i agree great game hope he gets his medal
Quote from: Jinxy on September 12, 2016, 04:59:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 12, 2016, 12:15:12 PM
If Dublin somehow manage to lose to Mayo. Will it be the first time that a losing finalist wins more all stars than the winning team?
Nope. Meath got 6 in 1991 and Down got 4. James McCartan got man of the match in the AIF and didnt get an Allstar.
Which, in a way, tells you who the real champions were that year.
The Leinster council?
We saved the GAA.
A small bit of gratitude wouldn't go astray.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 01:37:28 PM
We saved the GAA.
A small bit of gratitude wouldn't go astray.
Think of Meath
Think of what 25 years ago means to them
Send what you can to me Patricia McLoughlin
Wireless for the hopeless
Quote from: Jinxy on September 19, 2016, 01:37:28 PM
We saved the GAA.
A small bit of gratitude wouldn't go astray.
According to Spillane, Kerry & Dublin saved the GAA in the 70s
Say Mayo had won. The forward allstars would have been decided by the rain. That is not right.
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Connor has 9 points from play in 8 games in Championship this season. He should not be in contention.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Sullivan could not lace Colm Boyle's boots !
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 03, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Connor has 9 points from play in 8 games in Championship this season. He should not be in contention.
he has been absolutely instrumental in Mayo getting to the final this year and almost winning the thing. He carries the weight of the team a lot of the time in respect of his free taking. Do frees not count?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 03, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Connor has 9 points from play in 8 games in Championship this season. He should not be in contention.
Whether he gets in or not is subjective but he should definitely be in contention at least. I'd have it as a toss up between him and Rock, would have no arguments if Rock beat him to it, similar type players.
I'd have Harrison in at corner back ahead of McMahon or Higgins.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 03, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
I'd have Harrison in at corner back ahead of McMahon or Higgins.
All subjective of course and though Harrison has played well, Higgins has been consistently excellent and McMahon has also been very consistent keeping O'Se scoreless for 160 minutes over 2 matches.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 03, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 03, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Connor has 9 points from play in 8 games in Championship this season. He should not be in contention.
he has been absolutely instrumental in Mayo getting to the final this year and almost winning the thing. He carries the weight of the team a lot of the time in respect of his free taking. Do frees not count?
He missed the most important free he had all year!
Quote from: westbound on October 03, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 03, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 03, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
1. Cluxton
2. Higgins
3. Cooper
4. McMahon
5. Keegan
6. O'Sullivan
7. Harte
8. Fenton
9. Moran
10. McMenamin
11. Kilkenny
12. Connolly
13. Quinlivan
14. Geaney
15. O'Connor
Players unlucky to lose out are Rock, Durcan and Andy Moran.
Player of the year = Keegan or Fenton, I'd opt for Keegan.
Young player of the year = Durcan (if he qualifies)
O'Connor has 9 points from play in 8 games in Championship this season. He should not be in contention.
he has been absolutely instrumental in Mayo getting to the final this year and almost winning the thing. He carries the weight of the team a lot of the time in respect of his free taking. Do frees not count?
He missed the most important free he had all year!
well considering it was Roscommon's championship to lose, the boy done good even getting to the final
Evan Comerford must be in with a shout for goalkeeper. Clarke can't get it now, and Cluxton had a couple of dodgy moments.
Paddy Durcan matched, or outscored, each of the Dublin half forwards from play in both games, on top of his great defensive work. Has to be a shoe in.
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2016, 03:03:15 PM
Paddy Durcan matched, or outscored, each of the Dublin half forwards from play in both games, on top of his great defensive work. Has to be a shoe in.
Thought he was consistently the best player on the field over the duration of the 2 finals. Does he qualify for young player of the year?
Extra game has probably helped a few players mainly Durcan who was no way near an All Star prior to the final but he's had 2 great games and will be hard to leave out. As for COC he doesn't deserve one, Andy Moran should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
I was under the impression the young player of the year is for an u21 and Durcan isn't.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 03, 2016, 04:32:38 PM
Extra game has probably helped a few players mainly Durcan who was no way near an All Star prior to the final but he's had 2 great games and will be hard to leave out. As for COC he doesn't deserve one, Andy Moran should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
I was under the impression the young player of the year is for an u21 and Durcan isn't.
U-23
Paul Flynn was a shoe in, for a few years. 2011 - 2014 he won 4 in row. He wasn't nominated last year, unlikely to be this year either. Hard to keep up that consistency.
Quote from: ballinaman on October 03, 2016, 04:47:24 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 03, 2016, 04:32:38 PM
Extra game has probably helped a few players mainly Durcan who was no way near an All Star prior to the final but he's had 2 great games and will be hard to leave out. As for COC he doesn't deserve one, Andy Moran should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
I was under the impression the young player of the year is for an u21 and Durcan isn't.
U-23
I stand corrected.
In that case Quinlivan would be my choice for young player of the year.
Player of the year lads??
Big debate in work about it a lot of lads saying Connolly but he wasn't overly impressive in over the 2 finals. On the flip side who else could you give it to? None of the Dubs have been truly outstanding maybe Fenton had 2 decent games there. Colm Boyle?
Fenton. Fantastic player.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 03, 2016, 04:32:38 PM
Extra game has probably helped a few players mainly Durcan who was no way near an All Star prior to the final but he's had 2 great games and will be hard to leave out. As for COC he doesn't deserve one, Andy Moran should be ahead of him in the pecking order.
I was under the impression the young player of the year is for an u21 and Durcan isn't.
This is the thing about the All Stars I hate. Lads not near it and have a great final then there is your all star. It's meant to be Team of the Year isn't it? The most ridiculous was Star a couple years ago. The final should be looked at in the context of overall year.
I was fairly sure young player of the year was u21.
Ryan McHugh is my choice if it is u-23 which I don't think it is.
The All-Stars always give greater value to performances later in the year, in the big games. And rightly so.
What is the point in shooting 25 points in the first round against a division 4 team, if you go scoreless in the All-Ireland semi-final and final? The reverse also has to apply.
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
The All-Stars always give greater value to performances later in the year, in the big games. And rightly so.
What is the point in shooting 25 points in the first round against a division 4 team, if you go scoreless in the All-Ireland semi-final and final? The reverse also has to apply.
Beating Meath deserves more respect than that, Muppet
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
The All-Stars always give greater value to performances later in the year, in the big games. And rightly so.
What is the point in shooting 25 points in the first round against a division 4 team, if you go scoreless in the All-Ireland semi-final and final? The reverse also has to apply.
The All Stars are meant to be for the best players in the Championship, not the players who play for the best teams in the Championship.
I think someone like Gary Brennan should be a certainty for an All Star, his performance were as any influential as any one player has been for any side this summer and he dragged a rather average Clare side to an All Ireland quarter final - granted their draw was pretty handy but it was still an achievement.
Other notable players who should come in for strong consideration this year would be Danny Heavron and Peter Atcheson. If Aidan O'Shea hadn't cheated Fermanagh out of the All Ireland then perhaps Eoin Donnelly and Tomas Corrigan would be there also.
There has been a real lack of top quality forwards this summer. Geaney is the only real out and out forward who has peformed to a real top standard.
Quote from: screenexile on October 03, 2016, 05:22:53 PM
Player of the year lads??
Big debate in work about it a lot of lads saying Connolly but he wasn't overly impressive in over the 2 finals. On the flip side who else could you give it to? None of the Dubs have been truly outstanding maybe Fenton had 2 decent games there. Colm Boyle?
It tells you how average to poor the football year was again that it's a struggle to pick a footballer of the year..
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on October 03, 2016, 07:18:53 PM
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
The All-Stars always give greater value to performances later in the year, in the big games. And rightly so.
What is the point in shooting 25 points in the first round against a division 4 team, if you go scoreless in the All-Ireland semi-final and final? The reverse also has to apply.
The All Stars are meant to be for the best players in the Championship, not the players who play for the best teams in the Championship.
I think someone like Gary Brennan should be a certainty for an All Star, his performance were as any influential as any one player has been for any side this summer and he dragged a rather average Clare side to an All Ireland quarter final - granted their draw was pretty handy but it was still an achievement.
Other notable players who should come in for strong consideration this year would be Danny Heavron and Peter Atcheson. If Aidan O'Shea hadn't cheated Fermanagh out of the All Ireland then perhaps Eoin Donnelly and Tomas Corrigan would be there also.
There has been a real lack of top quality forwards this summer. Geaney is the only real out and out forward who has peformed to a real top standard.
Here here. There is a prize for good performances in semi and final. It's called the Man of the Match Award. Players are already playing for the strongest teams who reach latter stages so huge advantage over playeras from weaker counties. Fair enough having a great final should help only if you've played well in previous games.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
Current all-star favorites with Paddy power
David Clarke (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Philly McMahon (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Aidan O Shea (Mayo)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
That's seven for Dublin,four for Mayo,two for Kerry,one each for Tipperary Clare and none for Tyrone.
The favourties for the All-stars now.
David Clarke (Mayo)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Colm Boyle (Mayo)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
Michael Quinlivan (Tippearay)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
Out goes Philly McMahon,Paul Murphy,Aidan O Shea and in comes Brendan Harrison,Colm Boyle,Ryan McHugh
Footballer of the year will be Brian Fenton going by the odds.
Very hard to believe or stomach that Kevin McLoughlin will once again be overlooked for an All-star.....a real reliable class performer in every game.......
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2016, 09:43:23 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
Current all-star favorites with Paddy power
David Clarke (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Philly McMahon (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Aidan O Shea (Mayo)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
That's seven for Dublin,four for Mayo,two for Kerry,one each for Tipperary Clare and none for Tyrone.
The favourties for the All-stars now.
David Clarke (Mayo)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Colm Boyle (Mayo)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
Michael Quinlivan (Tippearay)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
Out goes Philly McMahon,Paul Murphy,Aidan O Shea and in comes Brendan Harrison,Colm Boyle,Ryan McHugh
Footballer of the year will be Brian Fenton going by the odds.
How in hell can Clarkie get an All Star now after his manager basically gave him a vote of no confidence.
Mind you he was solid when he came in which says a lot about what he is made of after being dropped for an AI final replay.
Some bizarre favourites in paddy powers list there, can see at least 4/5 changes from that side.
Connolly scored a really terrific point, especially since I thought Keegan got a hand on it, but it was so well hit it still made it over the bar from distance. However his man, a defender, who played less than a half, outscored him from play again.
How is it that he is being considered for POTY ahead of him?
Quote from: muppet on October 03, 2016, 11:53:15 PM
Connolly scored a really terrific point, especially since I thought Keegan got a hand on it, but it was so well hit it still made it over the bar from distance. However his man, a defender, who played less than a half, outscored him from play again.
How is it that he is being considered for POTY ahead of him?
For me Keegan should be player of the year. Although Fenton has been good and is a strong candidate he appears to be the latest golden boy in the media and has been handed the award already it seems.
Keegan for me as well.
TBH Fenton would be a decent POTY.
And if our halfbacks got two All-Stars, I think I would pick Keegan and Durcan.
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Quote from: muppet on October 04, 2016, 12:13:14 AM
TBH Fenton would be a decent POTY.
And if our halfbacks got two All-Stars, I think I would pick Keegan and Durcan.
Fenton was poor last Saturday . He is a fabulous player to be fair .
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 04, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
Quote from: saffronandblue on October 03, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Very hard to believe or stomach that Kevin McLoughlin will once again be overlooked for an All-star.....a real reliable class performer in every game.......
+1. His best year since 2012 I would say. Did his job effectively and grew into his role as the summer progressed.
Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 04, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
I found his reaction to that black card curious. It was like he knew what he was at and got caught in the act.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 04, 2016, 12:59:00 AM
Quote from: saffronandblue on October 03, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Very hard to believe or stomach that Kevin McLoughlin will once again be overlooked for an All-star.....a real reliable class performer in every game.......
+1. His best year since 2012 I would say. Did his job effectively and grew into his role as the summer progressed.
Maybe because he has been used in so many roles that it tells against him. Also the fact that pundits crucified him in earlier games in sweeper role when he actually played very well imo. The last day he played a wing back type role that probably suits him most. Mayo's trouble is that we have any amount of fine half backs and the most likely lads coming through are also defenders.
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Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 04, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
I found his reaction to that black card curious. It was like he knew what he was at and got caught in the act.
Dunno. Not a lad to stamp his feet and throw a strop. More like he knew he just had to accept it. He played a lot of rugby where you just take the medicine and don t argue with officials.
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Very hard to believe or stomach that Kevin McLoughlin will once again be overlooked for an All-star.....a real reliable class performer in every game.......
+1. His best year since 2012 I would say. Did his job effectively and grew into his role as the summer progressed.
God I don't agree about him. I think he lost an awful lot of ball for Mayo, and he was neither fish nor fowl as a sweeper either. The amount of times in defense he's just kind of 'there' but not getting in a tackle or cutting out a pass is far too high for a sweeper. And then when he brings the ball forward his distribution wasn't quick enough, or good enough in my opinion. I don't think he's that sort of footballer, and I think it didn't suit him. Potentially Diarmuid O'Connor might be suited to that role a bit better. Ironically someone like Cillian O'Connor might be best of all. He seems to be able to pass very well, reads a game well. But I doubt ye'd want to take him away from the goals.
what pissed off people about McLoughlin's Sweeper role is he created his own version of it which meant it was as much an attacking role as a defensive one. this allowed mayo half back to concentrate more one defending than in recent years . I think a lot of people just didnt get it.
as for the all stars surely Conor McManus must get one he was in line for player of the year at one stage but monaghan earlyish removal would paid paid to that . i think he will still get one
i would also expect awards for Cathal mc carron peter harte,
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
what pissed off people about McLoughlin's Sweeper role is he created his own version of it which meant it was as much an attacking role as a defensive one. this allowed mayo half back to concentrate more one defending than in recent years . I think a lot of people just didnt get it.
as for the all stars surely Conor McManus must get one he was in line for player of the year at one stage but monaghan earlyish removal would paid paid to that . i think he will still get one
i would also expect awards for Cathal mc carron peter harte,
You're not the first to plump for McCarron, i'll be amazed if he gets one though. I agree with Harte although given Durcan's performances in both finals he might be pushed out.
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
what pissed off people about McLoughlin's Sweeper role is he created his own version of it which meant it was as much an attacking role as a defensive one. this allowed mayo half back to concentrate more one defending than in recent years . I think a lot of people just didnt get it.
as for the all stars surely Conor McManus must get one he was in line for player of the year at one stage but monaghan earlyish removal would paid paid to that . i think he will still get one
i would also expect awards for Cathal mc carron peter harte,
I got it. It was the same role as Bryan Fox tried to play for Tipperary. I just don't think McLoughlin was very good at it.
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2016, 10:29:11 AM
what pissed off people about McLoughlin's Sweeper role is he created his own version of it which meant it was as much an attacking role as a defensive one. this allowed mayo half back to concentrate more one defending than in recent years . I think a lot of people just didnt get it.
as for the all stars surely Conor McManus must get one he was in line for player of the year at one stage but monaghan earlyish removal would paid paid to that . i think he will still get one
i would also expect awards for Cathal mc carron peter harte,
Isn't this the problem with the allstars. it will always be front loaded with 10 or 11 from the final and then a few from the semi finalist and maybe one from the quarters. Maybe I'm answering the wrong question but if the question was to pick my best 15 players from this years championship then Gary Brennan, peter Harte and Conor McManus would be certs. However I doubt any of those will get a gong.
I can't really see what is all the fuss about Fenton. Yes I thought he did well last year but he certainly didn't stand out that much for me this year. Of course he's a talented and skillful player but you would hardly say he dominated around midfield this year and did he score much from play?1 v Kerry & did he get one or two v Mayo?
I'd say yes to an All star as there are so few others but POTY I don't agree. The role of MF has changed a lot and especially with Dublin, there are so many short kickouts that high fielding is rare now but I expecting more of him pushing forward this year. Mattie Donnelly scored 9 points from play this year and Acheson I thought played well all year.
i would have mentione Mattie Donnelly too but i wouldn't want any one to think i like tyrone.
i dont hink you can compare Fox to Mclouglin Mc loughlins footpassing vision and defensive skill would set him well apart.
MDM once got player of the year for running around a lot. Fenton has a chance.
Fenton is a much better footballer than MacAuley.
He can actually kick the ball.
Quote from: Jinxy on October 04, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Fenton is a much better footballer than MacAuley.
He can actually kick the ball.
McAuley is the footballing equivalent of Paula Radcliffe.
Fenton just glides around the place. Class operator.
Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 12:48:15 AM
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Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
I don't know why you're getting so defensive. I really like Keegan. I think he's the best player in the country and the player of the year this year. He'd walk onto any team in the country and I don't think there's anything wrong or illegal about how he plays the game. My point was simply that he has become a controversial figure this year, rightly or wrongly, and they won't give the player of the year to somebody like that. The same way they wouldn't give it to McMahon last year. The likes of Brian Fenton are downright vanilla compared to the Keegans of the world and they're always going to be the safer bet for these awards where people won't want to rock the boat too much with their choices. Can you imagine the shite the Dubs would kick up if they gave the player of the year to Keegan?
Quote from: PW Nally on October 04, 2016, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on October 04, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Fenton is a much better footballer than MacAuley.
He can actually kick the ball.
McAuley is the footballing equivalent of Paula Radcliffe.
Fenton just glides around the place. Class operator.
Fenton is top quality, a world ahead of MDMA
Quote from: moysider on October 03, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
How in hell can Clarkie get an All Star now after his manager basically gave him a vote of no confidence.
Mind you he was solid when he came in which says a lot about what he is made of after being dropped for an AI final replay.
If it's journalists who pick them, then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get it, so they can show how much more clever than Rochford they are
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 03, 2016, 09:43:23 PM
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Current all-star favorites with Paddy power
David Clarke (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Philly McMahon (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Paul Murphy (Kerry)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Aidan O Shea (Mayo)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
That's seven for Dublin,four for Mayo,two for Kerry,one each for Tipperary Clare and none for Tyrone.
The favourties for the All-stars now.
David Clarke (Mayo)
Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
Johnny Cooper (Dublin)
Keith Higgins (Mayo)
Lee Keegan (Mayo)
Cian O Sullivan (Dublin)
Colm Boyle (Mayo)
Brian Fenton (Dublin)
Gary Brennan (Clare)
Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
Michael Quinlivan (Tippearay)
Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Kevin McManaman (Dublin)
Out goes Philly McMahon,Paul Murphy,Aidan O Shea and in comes Brendan Harrison,Colm Boyle,Ryan McHugh
Footballer of the year will be Brian Fenton going by the odds.
Harte instead of Boyle says the odds now.
Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 01:08:25 AM
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Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 04, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
I found his reaction to that black card curious. It was like he knew what he was at and got caught in the act.
Dunno. Not a lad to stamp his feet and throw a strop. More like he knew he just had to accept it. He played a lot of rugby where you just take the medicine and don t argue with officials.
He sacrificed himself for the sake of the team. He knew what he was doing would see him get a black but he went ahead anyway or Dublin would have certainly got a goal.
Quote from: Hound on October 05, 2016, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 03, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
How in hell can Clarkie get an All Star now after his manager basically gave him a vote of no confidence.
Mind you he was solid when he came in which says a lot about what he is made of after being dropped for an AI final replay.
If it's journalists who pick them, then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get it, so they can show how much more clever than Rochford they are
As far as I know it's the journalists who pick the All-Stars but the players definitely pick the player of the year awards. The journo's would have given it to Philly McMahon last year as he deserved it, but his unpopularity with other players meant Jack McCaffrey got it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 03, 2016, 02:59:41 PM
Evan Comerford must be in with a shout for goalkeeper. Clarke can't get it now, and Cluxton had a couple of dodgy moments.
Still think Clarke will get the nod but any of the 3 you have mentioned well deserving of an allstar.
After the 2014 allstar goalkeeping award, you cannot really rule anyone definitely in or out.
Some change in recent years when a keeper is judged as much on his kickouts as his goalstopping ability.
Nominations are out.
No McManus from Monaghan anyway.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-and-mayo-dominate-football-all-star-nominations-1.2818307 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-and-mayo-dominate-football-all-star-nominations-1.2818307)
All Stars Football Nominations
GOALKEEPERS Evan Comerford (Tipperary), Stephen Cluxton (Dublin), David Clarke (Mayo).
DEFENDERS Jonny Cooper (Dublin), Brendan Harrison (Mayo), Keith Higgins (Mayo), Cian O'Sullivan (Dublin), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Colm Boyle (Mayo), Philly McMahon (Dublin), Ryan McHugh (Donegal), Cathal McCarron (Tyrone), John Small (Dublin), Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Shane Enright (Kerry), Declan Kyne (Galway), James McCarthy (Dublin), Kevin McLoughlin (Mayo), Paddy McGrath (Donegal), Robbie Kiely (Tipperary), Killian Young (Kerry).
MIDFIELDERS Brian Fenton (Dublin), Peter Acheson (Tipperary), Matthew Donnelly (Tyrone), Gary Brennan (Clare), Paul Conroy (Galway), Colm Cavanagh (Tyrone).
FORWARDS Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin), Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin), Dean Rock (Dublin), Kevin McManamon (Dublin), Paul Geaney (Kerry), Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary), Andy Moran (Mayo), Conor Sweeney (Tipperary), Aidan O'Shea (Mayo), Paul Murphy (Kerry), Cillian O'Connor (Mayo), Damien Comer (Galway), Diarmuid O'Connor (Mayo), Peter Harte (Tyrone), Danny Cummins (Galway), Patrick McBrearty (Donegal), Seán Cavanagh (Tyrone), Niall Sludden (Tyrone).
Player of the Year Nominees: Brian Fenton (Dublin), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ciarán Kilkenny (Dublin).
Young Player of the Year Nominees: Diarmuid O'Connor (Mayo), Josh Keane (Tipperary), Jimmy Feehan (Tipperary)
Not necessarily what I'd pick but what I think will be picked:
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Durcan
Harte
Fenton
Brennan
Connolly
KK
McManamon
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Kyne (for Cooper/McMahon) or Conroy (for Brennan) might get one for Galway
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 06, 2016, 08:40:25 AM
Not necessarily what I'd pick but what I think will be picked:
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Durcan
Harte
Fenton
Brennan
Connolly
KK
McManamon
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Kyne (for Cooper/McMahon) or Conroy (for Brennan) might get one for Galway
Can't have Harte at Half-Back as he is nominated as a Forward.
Didn't realise that, reshuffle so;
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Durcan
Kyne/Enright
Fenton
Donnelly
Connolly
KK
McManamon
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Harte will get one if he's been picked in the forwards. What I think the journos will go with is:
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
Enright
Keegan
Durcan
McHugh
Fenton
Brennan
Connolly
KK
Harte
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
POTY Fenton
YPOTY Josh Keane
How the fcuk did Vaughan not get nominated?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2016, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 04, 2016, 01:08:25 AM
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Quote from: ZeitChrist on October 04, 2016, 12:16:38 AM
Keegan is the player of the year but he's too controversial. They bottled it with McMahon last year too because of the controversy around him. They won't give it to a non Dub anyway. Fenton will get it.
Keegan isn't a bit controversial. Takes on the tough assignments and takes it and leaves it behind after. Just shrugged his shoulders the last day after being wrongly carded. Got some of the best scores of the year while mostly playing in a deep defensive role. Not his problem if his excellence was singled out by a craven biased media as something to target. I'm sure though he doesn't give a f**k about these awards either.
I found his reaction to that black card curious. It was like he knew what he was at and got caught in the act.
Dunno. Not a lad to stamp his feet and throw a strop. More like he knew he just had to accept it. He played a lot of rugby where you just take the medicine and don t argue with officials.
He sacrificed himself for the sake of the team. He knew what he was doing would see him get a black but he went ahead anyway or Dublin would have certainly got a goal.
I don't think so Lar, if he wanted to take Connolly out of the play all he had to do was just grab his jersey and make sure to let go if Connolly was falling to the ground. It wasn't a black card for me, he didn't pull/drag Connolly down to the ground.
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
O'Sullivan
Durcan
Fenton
Brennan
Harte
Kilkenny
Connolly
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
7 Dublin
4 Mayo
1 Kerry
1 Tipp
1 Tyrone
1 Clare
Think that will be near enough the team, O'Sullivan may be touch and go at centre back, could be Boyle/McHugh.
Keegan should be POTY but similar to McMahon last year they won't give it to him. Will be Fenton. Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Boyle
Durcan
Fenton
Donnelly
Harte
Kilkenny
Connolly
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Not 100% about Clarke given what happened the replay, not convinced about McMahon, Boyle, Durcan, Donnelly or Rock either. The rest are 100% nailed on to get one.
Just thinking that the POTY is voted for by players. If so I'd imagine the Keegan could benefit from the anti Dublin bias and the fact that the vote may be split. Therefore Keegan could still scoop the award and it would be merited anyway in my view.
They won't win an award, but nice to see Paddy McGrath and Patrick McBrearty recognized for their performances with nominations. McBrearty gave one of the scoring exhibitions of the year against Cork when we actually got some ball into him, while McGrath, who was excellent all year, showed he is fit for the very best with two great games against Conor McManus.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 06, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
That sly kick by Bolton seemed to take a large toll, assuming that was the problem because he was flying up to that. He improved a lot in the replay but was quiet in the drawn game. But he certainly wasn't at the level he was last year.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 06, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
From dropped in the mid part of the season but I thought he was very good in the replay. Probably in need of a complete rest at this stage.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 01:41:42 PM
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Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
From dropped in the mid part of the season but I thought he was very good in the replay. Probably in need of a complete rest at this stage.
He wasnt dropped he had a injury that ruled him out of the london game. The only very good championship game he had was against a ropey Kildare decence. I dont believe he needs a rest either as he is one of the fittest players on the Mayo panel.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 06, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Boyle
Durcan
Fenton
Donnelly
Harte
Kilkenny
Connolly
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Not 100% about Clarke given what happened the replay, not convinced about McMahon, Boyle, Durcan, Donnelly or Rock either. The rest are 100% nailed on to get one.
Jaysus, for me Rock is nailed on!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 06, 2016, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 06, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Boyle
Durcan
Fenton
Donnelly
Harte
Kilkenny
Connolly
Rock
Geaney
Quinlivan
Not 100% about Clarke given what happened the replay, not convinced about McMahon, Boyle, Durcan, Donnelly or Rock either. The rest are 100% nailed on to get one.
Jaysus, for me Rock is nailed on!!
He wasn't nailed on the last time I checked the odds. Dean Rock in 16 league and championship games scored 2-98 which is more than enough to deserve All-star
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 06, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
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Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
From dropped in the mid part of the season but I thought he was very good in the replay. Probably in need of a complete rest at this stage.
He wasnt dropped he had a injury that ruled him out of the london game. The only very good championship game he had was against a ropey Kildare decence. I dont believe he needs a rest either as he is one of the fittest players on the Mayo panel.
##should read form. Thought he was one of Mayos best 3 players in the final replay.
Ciaran Kilkenny for poty?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
Ciaran Kilkenny for poty?
Surely the man the Dubs had to take out before halftime was the most influential player in the AIF and therefore won the respect of his peers meaning he deserves the award.
My vote would go to Keegan for POTY but I just don't see that happening unfortunately.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 06, 2016, 02:46:27 PM
Ciaran Kilkenny for poty?
Having watched him in the last 3 games, I wouldn't even have him in line for an all star. Huge talent but wasted in his current role imo.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on October 06, 2016, 01:51:31 PM
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Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
From dropped in the mid part of the season but I thought he was very good in the replay. Probably in need of a complete rest at this stage.
He wasnt dropped he had a injury that ruled him out of the london game. The only very good championship game he had was against a ropey Kildare decence. I dont believe he needs a rest either as he is one of the fittest players on the Mayo panel.
##should read form. Thought he was one of Mayos best 3 players in the final replay.
I doubt many thought that as Durcan,Harrison,S O Shea,K Mcloughlin were Mayos best players in the replay and Lee Keegan did more in one half of football last Saturday than D O Connor managed in both finals.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 06, 2016, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
Diarmuid O'Connor nailed on for young POTY.
Don't think he was even all that great this year (maybe the early season injury had an affect) but it's not a strong list of contenders so he'll probably get it.
Even at U21 his only standout was v Dublin in the semi. Other lads were more influential in the Connacht and AI finals. At senior he did very little of note if we're being honest. Would be a strange choice.
Keegan the PotY in my eyes but it'll probably go to Kilkenny, who has shown incredible selflessness going from a scoring forward all the way up at underage to taking on a thankless role of being the linkman between attack and defence.
Kilkenny doesn't deserve player of the year unless you're going to dole them out now for lateral hand passing and over-carrying.
Hasn't been a great year for forwards the top scorers C O Connor,D Rock got the majority of their scores from frees and yes I understand the importance of having a good free taker.. Geaney was the stand out forward from play and why Kerry subbed him of in semi final when the game was in the balance was almost as puzzling as Mayo dropping Clarke.
Hasn't been a vintage year for midfielders either when is the last time only one of finalist midfielders was nominated for All Star.
Defences were on top this year a pattern that will continue in the years ahead and will anger the football purists. So for me the POTY should go to a defender.
I'd have thought Parsons would be in for a nomination anyway
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 06, 2016, 08:20:59 PM
I'd have thought Parsons would be in for a nomination anyway
He played very little this year! Was rested in a lot of games!
Cluxton
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
keegan
Boyle
Small
Donnelly
Brennan
O`Connor
Kilkenny
Harte
Geaney
Connolly
Sweeney
I thought Geaney might have got a nod for POTY...I suppose Kerry not reaching the AIF ruled that out..but he was excellent all year.
Quote from: J70 on October 06, 2016, 11:52:01 AM
They won't win an award, but nice to see Paddy McGrath and Patrick McBrearty recognized for their performances with nominations. McBrearty gave one of the scoring exhibitions of the year against Cork when we actually got some ball into him, while McGrath, who was excellent all year, showed he is fit for the very best with two great games against Conor McManus.
McBrearty blows hot and cold too much. McGrath has developed into one of the top defenders in the game in recent years, he has really improved since he started out.
McHugh should be nailed one but he could be going the Dessie Mone route of getting robbed every year. He has deserved an All Star in each of the past 3 years.
Also they should just go with two scoring forwards in the All Star team anymore given that most teams only play with two inside men these days.
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 06, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
I thought Geaney might have got a nod for POTY...I suppose Kerry not reaching the AIF ruled that out..but he was excellent all year.
With respect, who did he face in Championship football. Clare x 2, Tipperary then taken off in the only real test they had, a game they were beat in.
Lee Keegan for me.
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 06, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 06, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
I thought Geaney might have got a nod for POTY...I suppose Kerry not reaching the AIF ruled that out..but he was excellent all year.
With respect, who did he face in Championship football. Clare x 2, Tipperary then taken off in the only real test they had, a game they were beat in.
Lee Keegan for me.
Fair enough but he did the business in every game he played in...so do you judge it on individual performances or the opposition he was up against???
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 06, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 06, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
I thought Geaney might have got a nod for POTY...I suppose Kerry not reaching the AIF ruled that out..but he was excellent all year.
With respect, who did he face in Championship football. Clare x 2, Tipperary then taken off in the only real test they had, a game they were beat in.
Lee Keegan for me.
That a piss take bout him being taken off? Everyone agreed after it was a terrible call as he was the best player for kerry that day.
Tipp with more nominations than kerry and two nominated for ypoty.....quinlivan will beonly one to get anything with comerford and acheson unlucky to miss out but still.....viva la revolution!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
Cluxton
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
keegan
Boyle
Small
Donnelly
Brennan
O`Connor
Kilkenny
Harte
Geaney
Connolly
Sweeney
Durcan ahead of Boyler for me. I think Fenton will get one.
Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Boyle
Small
Brennan
Fenton
Kilkenny
Connolly
Quinlivan
Rock
Geaney
Moran
Harte and Durcan have a chance of squeezing in. Maybe Cluxton. But that 15 will take at least 13 spots.
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Clarke
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
Keegan
Boyle
Small
Brennan
Fenton
Kilkenny
Connolly
Quinlivan
Rock
Geaney
Moran
Harte and Durcan have a chance of squeezing in. Maybe Cluxton. But that 15 will take at least 13 spots.
I admire Andy as much as you do but I dont think he'll make it...hope Im wrong.
Lee Keegan by a country mile and I do not see why people are comparing him to Philly McMahon last year.Keegan plays on the edge but last year McMahon went over the edge verbally and physically.McMahons two direct opponents in last years semi final and final refused to shake hands with him at the final whistle.Enough said.
Cluxton
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
keegan
O'Sullivan
Durcan
Donnelly
Fenton
Connolly
Kilkenny
Harte
Geaney
Quinlivan
Rock
Would have picked Clarke in goal before the replay. No outstanding YPOY contenders. Diarmuid O'Connor dragged Mayo U21's to an All-Ireland but was poor in the senior championship so would give it to him for that
Fenton for POY award
Personally think Keegan will get poty myself. He or Fenton . Either one deserving imo.
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Cluxton
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
keegan
Boyle
Small
Donnelly
Brennan
O`Connor
Kilkenny
Harte
Geaney
Connolly
Sweeney
Durcan ahead of Boyler for me. I think Fenton will get one.
Fenton nailed on alright Muppet, anyone nominated for POTY has always received an All Star IIRC
Except Brian Whelahan who got POTY in 94 but no All Star.
For me midfield should be Donnelly and Fenton. Would love to see a Clare all star but for me Brennan was badly gassed against Kerry in the qf
Quote from: dublin7 on October 07, 2016, 09:07:00 AM
Cluxton
Harrison
Cooper
McMahon
keegan
O'Sullivan
Durcan
Donnelly
Fenton
Connolly
Kilkenny
Harte
Geaney
Quinlivan
Rock
Would have picked Clarke in goal before the replay. No outstanding YPOY contenders. Diarmuid O'Connor dragged Mayo U21's to an All-Ireland but was poor in the senior championship so would give it to him for that
Fenton for POY award
Clarke played well in the replay when he came in. Made a mockery of the decision to drop him. Still think he might get it.
8 Dubs on that team.
If they won both the semi-final and final by 6+ Points maybe. But not going to happen after a scoring average in their last 3 games of +1.
No stand out performers the past few years for POTY, maybe to do with the over defensive way the game has went. Were Connolly or Rock good enough for an All Star this year? Harte and McHughwould be guaranteed if it came down to individual performances alone
Ciaran Mac was nominated for poty in 06 and didnt get an all star. It was the most bizzare all star selection to leave him out in 06 imo.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2016, 11:41:49 AM
No stand out performers the past few years for POTY, maybe to do with the over defensive way the game has went. Were Connolly or Rock good enough for an All Star this year? Harte and McHughwould be guaranteed if it came down to individual performances alone
100% agree on Harte and McHugh, add Keegan and Connolly and you've the 4 best players in the country right now. System wise as well nrico, you gotta feel for the likes of McManus and McBrearty etc. If those boys were about in the 90s they'd have made some hay
Which ones are getting announced live on Friday night lads...
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 01, 2016, 02:31:14 PM
Which ones are getting announced live on Friday night lads...
Football revealed tomorrow. Hurling to be announced live
Why has there always been the need to announce one team in advance and the other on the night ... can they not accommodate announcing both teams 'live' during the broadcast?
Quote from: balladmaker on November 02, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
Why has there always been the need to announce one team in advance and the other on the night ... can they not accommodate announcing both teams 'live' during the broadcast?
health and safety
Quote from: balladmaker on November 02, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
Why has there always been the need to announce one team in advance and the other on the night ... can they not accommodate announcing both teams 'live' during the broadcast?
This approach means an uplift in press coverage before the event, and a similar uplift aftwards.
2016 GAA/GPA Opel All Star football team
1. David Clarke (Mayo)
2. Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
3. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)
4. Philly McMahon (Dublin)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
7. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)
9. Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone)
10. Peter Harte (Tyrone)
11. Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
13. Dean Rock (Dublin)
14. Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
15. Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Cillian O'connor for Dean Rock, other than that...
Maybe they should have 3 forwards and 9 defenders for the puke years. A defender all star is worth more than a forward one. You can flop in an All Ireland final and still get a forward all Star.
Cant really argue with the half back line selection but its crazy to think Dublin won an AI and no half back representation...previous AI sucesses were based on strong half back performances from the likes of McCarthy, McCaffrey, OSullivan to name a few
Should Diarmuid Connolly and Rock get one?
Rock deserves his more than Connolly for me.
Kilkenny mainly did boring lateral hand passes,.
Rock absolutely deserves one imo, top scorer from play in the AIFs and deadly from frees in the replay. Good v Kerry also
Durkan unlucky!
Actually yeah, Durcan very unlucky.
Yeah, Durcan very unlucky.
Galway must be the first provincial champions in a while not to get one.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 03, 2016, 09:40:10 AM
Actually yeah, Durcan very unlucky.
Agreed.
Rock and Boyler fortunate enough.
Other than that fair enough.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 03, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
Yeah, Durcan very unlucky.
Galway must be the first provincial champions in a while not to get one.
Durcan extremely unlucky - I though he was outstanding as Mayo progressed through the latter stages of the championship.
Any positive vibes we had after the Provincial campaign were well and truly wiped out by our display against Tipp - we can have no complaints about not getting an All-Star.
Connolly is hyped up beyond belief. Wasn't deserving of an all star this year.
How any of you are questioning Connolly's selection is beyond belief, he was an absolute cert and is by far the best footballer in country. Rock also developed from a nonentity in open play to a valuable contributor and fully deserves his too. Durcan very unlucky but wouldn't have been in the running before the last few games so maybe a fair call.
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
Quote from: Zulu on November 03, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
How any of you are questioning Connolly's selection is beyond belief, he was an absolute cert and is by far the best footballer in country. Rock also developed from a nonentity in open play to a valuable contributor and fully deserves his too. Durcan very unlucky but wouldn't have been in the running before the last few games so maybe a fair call.
Precisely. Connolly is a fantastic footballer. If he would cut out his nonsense he wouldn't be far off going down as one of the greats.
Glad to see Ryan McHugh get one. He was superb though I thought he would have lost out due to Donegal not progressing far enough.
The Dubs only beat Mayo by a point over 2 matches
They have 3 forwards. Mayo have none
Galway got a motivating kick up the arse. The Tipp match was dreadful
The all-stars provide something to talk about. Anybody getting vexed or worked up about them should remember that it's just the opinion of a group of journalists. Another group of equally informed individuals would be highly unlikely to come up with the same 15. I just walked in on a discussion about it in work where the word "disgrace" was being used. My god ::)
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
The Dubs only beat Mayo by a point over 2 matches
They have 3 forwards. Mayo have none
Galway got a motivating kick up the arse. The Tipp match was dreadful
The Mayo backs did a lot of damage on the scoring stakes as well as to opposition forwards. Only Cillian really bothered the scoreboards regularly from our attack.
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
The Dubs only beat Mayo by a point over 2 matches
They have 3 forwards. Mayo have none
Galway got a motivating kick up the arse. The Tipp match was dreadful
Not sure if you're trying to make a point here but which Mayo forwards deserved one? Andy Moran or Kevin McLoughlin would certainly have been in the discussion but not notable omissions in my opinion.
Here's a good table quiz question.
When was the last time a team reached the All-Ireland final and did not receive a single midfield or forward All-Star award?
Struggling to understand Kilkenny's inclusion, however, he's bound to have come out top on the 5/10 yard pop passes across the half back line so fair enough.
From a Tyrone point of view I'm surprised Matty got one. He'd a solid enough year but nothing out of the ordinary. Suppose that highlights how the midfield sector is a fading art.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 03, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Here's a good table quiz question.
When was the last time a team reached the All-Ireland final and did not receive a single midfield or forward All-Star award?
Cork 2007?
Quote from: Declan on November 03, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
As they say, OSullivan couldn't lace Boyles boots.
No major surprises although several borderline calls. Boyle and Donnelly were very lucky to win awards. Donnelly benefitted from a dearth in decent midfielders whilst Durcan was much better than Boyle in the big games.
Surprised they didn't go with Acheson or Brennan for the 2nd midfield slot.
Quote from: seafoid on November 03, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
The Dubs only beat Mayo by a point over 2 matches
They have 3 forwards. Mayo have none
Galway got a motivating kick up the arse. The Tipp match was dreadful
All-stars I'd imagine are based on how you did all year in league and championship and not just two matches.
Quote from: Jinxy on November 03, 2016, 01:25:04 PM
Surprised they didn't go with Acheson or Brennan for the 2nd midfield slot.
I agree, I thought Brennan certainly deserved it before Donnelly. Donnelly is a strong athlete who gets on the end of things and kicks points which can be eye catching but I don't think he was particularly outstanding as a midfielder.
Quote from: square_ball on November 03, 2016, 07:51:09 AM
2016 GAA/GPA Opel All Star football team
1. David Clarke (Mayo)
2. Brendan Harrison (Mayo)
3. Jonny Cooper (Dublin)
4. Philly McMahon (Dublin)
5. Lee Keegan (Mayo)
6. Colm Boyle (Mayo)
7. Ryan McHugh (Donegal)
8. Brian Fenton (Dublin)
9. Mattie Donnelly (Tyrone)
10. Peter Harte (Tyrone)
11. Diarmuid Connolly (Dublin)
12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin)
13. Dean Rock (Dublin)
14. Michael Quinlivan (Tipperary)
15. Paul Geaney (Kerry)
Put them all on Skellig Michael and make them fight it out Hunger Games style - call it a winners handicap - sure to increase other county's competitiveness going forward - rinse and repeat every year.
great viewing figures for Sky/RTE in the off season.
what's not to like?
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Quote from: Declan on November 03, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
As they say, OSullivan couldn't lace Boyles boots.
O'Sullivan has four Senior All Ireland medals. How many has Boyle?
Quote from: Zulu on November 03, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
How any of you are questioning Connolly's selection is beyond belief, he was an absolute cert and is by far the best footballer in country. Rock also developed from a nonentity in open play to a valuable contributor and fully deserves his too. Durcan very unlucky but wouldn't have been in the running before the last few games so maybe a fair call.
Connolly is potentially the best forward in the country. He hasn't achieved that potential though. He was very quiet in the 3 big games that mattered. His name got him an all star.
Couldn't agree Benny. He was excellent in the drawn game, albeit defending more than attacking but the amount of tackles he made and turnovers he got was amazing. The thing about half forwards (forwards in general I suppose) is that it's very difficult now to play eye-catchingly anymore. Half back is where it's at, loads of bodies back to help you out defending and retreating opposition forwards mean you get plenty of ball and the freedom to attack.
People who say Connolly doesn't do it against the big teams miss the point IMO. He does a huge amount of work, tackling, tracking back etc. but he doesn't get credit for it and is said to have played poorly if he doesn't kick 3 outrageous points. IMO he rarely has a bad day despite getting special treatment and being man marked (often illegally) by the opponents best defender.
I'd have him on the team before all the other forwards based on performances this year.
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Quote from: Declan on November 03, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
As they say, OSullivan couldn't lace Boyles boots.
O'Sullivan has four Senior All Ireland medals. How many has Boyle?
Therefore O'Sullivan is a better player??
Congrats to all winners.
Could quibble about the odd selection here and there but by and large all winners deserving.
Thought Cian O'Sullivan would have got one but his one high profile clanger against Donegal probably cost him. Same with Cluxton and the Kerry game. By no means a travesty though that they missed out imo.
POTY a toss up imo between Fenton and Keegan and either one would deserve it with the other very unlucky.
To be fair to O'Sullivan he is one of few players dublin would really struggle to replace however I don't think this year was his best year.
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Quote from: Declan on November 03, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
As they say, OSullivan couldn't lace Boyles boots.
O'Sullivan has four Senior All Ireland medals. How many has Boyle?
Therefore O'Sullivan is a better player??
IMO he is but not for that reason
I didn't think Boyle was very good this year, he is quite rash and undisciplined. Durcan was much more deserving of one but obviously they decided against fitting sqare pegs into round holes this year.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
I didn't think Boyle was very good this year, he is quite rash and undisciplined. Durcan was much more deserving of one but obviously they decided against fitting sqare pegs into round holes this year.
How do you mean? They were both half backs all year
I don't think it's as close a call between Keegan and Fenton as some people are saying. Keegan is the best player in the country, hands down. He deserves the award and it's not even close.
Kilkenny shouldn't even be in contention.
I think they went for Boyle as he was the populist's choice since he was a name. However Durcan deserved it in front of Boyle and I'd have had O'sullivan ahead of Boyle also for that matter. Similar with McHugh (although he had a strong case for one), his family name done him no harm and Donnelly edged out Brennan/Acheson unfairly imo because of his name also. As with all subjective awards, there is political manoeuvring in these selections but I wouldn't take them too seriously. Look what happened McMahon last year when he should have lifted POTY but they give it to McCaffrey instead because of media image.
As for POTY I imagine Keegan will get it and deservedly so imo. However as with mcMahon last year, it wouldn't overly surprise me if it goes to the more clean cut image of Fenton.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
I didn't think Boyle was very good this year, he is quite rash and undisciplined. Durcan was much more deserving of one but obviously they decided against fitting sqare pegs into round holes this year.
How do you mean? They were both half backs all year
I would view centre back as a more specialist position than a wing back, the traditional view would be a 6 holds ground while the wing backs are allowed freedom to roam forward.
Quote from: yellowcard on November 03, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
I think they went for Boyle as he was the populist's choice since he was a name. However Durcan deserved it in front of Boyle and I'd have had O'sullivan ahead of Boyle also for that matter. Similar with McHugh (although he had a strong case for one), his family name done him no harm and Donnelly edged out Brennan/Acheson unfairly imo because of his name also. As with all subjective awards, there is political manoeuvring in these selections but I wouldn't take them too seriously. Look what happened McMahon last year when he should have lifted POTY but they give it to McCaffrey instead because of media image.
As for POTY I imagine Keegan will get it and deservedly so imo. However as with mcMahon last year, it wouldn't overly surprise me if it goes to the more clean cut image of Fenton.
Ryan McHugh was a cert for me, he was immense in pretty much every game he played this year and you like who Donegal played in Championship football this year - Fermanagh, Monaghan x2, Tyrone and Dublin. I think he should have his third all star in a row if things weren't as political as they are.
Donnelly is quite fortunate, he had guys like Acheson and Brennan up against him here from two lesser counties and Brennan in particular was superb this year.
McHugh was amazing this year. Kilkenny doesn't deserve one and Connolly, for all the hype, didn't score enough. Rock again is lucky to get one. I'd have McManus, Murphy or O'Donoghue before Connolly
Quote from: nrico2006 on November 03, 2016, 08:03:37 PM
McHugh was amazing this year. Kilkenny doesn't deserve one and Connolly, for all the hype, didn't score enough. Rock again is lucky to get one. I'd have McManus, Murphy or O'Donoghue before Connolly
O'Donoghue?
If we've time-warped back to 2014, then yes, O'Donoghue deserves to be in ahead of Connolly.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
I didn't think Boyle was very good this year, he is quite rash and undisciplined. Durcan was much more deserving of one but obviously they decided against fitting sqare pegs into round holes this year.
Durcan has had a superb year. Boyle, as usual is a superb leader, and for me the rock that holds Mayo back division together. The likes of Durcan have license to work away knowing their general is in place. I don't think his discipline let him down badly this year. The speed of the 2 final matches in particular and the intensity would lead to hard hits, often on the edge, and some late, but I don't think he was rash too often, well not to the detriment of his team.
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Quote from: JoG2 on November 03, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
Quote from: Declan on November 03, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
Boyle instead of O'Sullivan :o :o :o. All Stars bit of a nonsense really but good talking points
As they say, OSullivan couldn't lace Boyles boots.
O'Sullivan has four Senior All Ireland medals. How many has Boyle?
Sweet jesus, playground talk!
Re D Connolly, how any man can say he isn't deserving of a place in this year's all stars, that is crazy talk! Along with Keegan, the 2 best players in the country, R Mc Hugh just behind imo
Boyle plays on the edge, as many great players do. He often sets the tone of a match and is a great leader for Mayo. He was the one who stood up and drove them on in the qualifiers. So what if he's a bit fiery? Some of the very best players are. If we're going to start leaving players out based on temperment and discipline, then we might as well leave out Philly McMahon and Diarmuid Connolly while we're at it.
Did Durcan really have a superb year? I thought he was a bit disappointing until the 2 finals where he was outstanding.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 03, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
I think they went for Boyle as he was the populist's choice since he was a name. However Durcan deserved it in front of Boyle and I'd have had O'sullivan ahead of Boyle also for that matter. Similar with McHugh (although he had a strong case for one), his family name done him no harm and Donnelly edged out Brennan/Acheson unfairly imo because of his name also. As with all subjective awards, there is political manoeuvring in these selections but I wouldn't take them too seriously. Look what happened McMahon last year when he should have lifted POTY but they give it to McCaffrey instead because of media image.
As for POTY I imagine Keegan will get it and deservedly so imo. However as with mcMahon last year, it wouldn't overly surprise me if it goes to the more clean cut image of Fenton.
Ryan McHugh was a cert for me, he was immense in pretty much every game he played this year and you like who Donegal played in Championship football this year - Fermanagh, Monaghan x2, Tyrone and Dublin. I think he should have his third all star in a row if things weren't as political as they are.
Donnelly is quite fortunate, he had guys like Acheson and Brennan up against him here from two lesser counties and Brennan in particular was superb this year.
McHugh was fantastic this year. I was at their match v Cork at Croker and he was the best player on the park by a country mile...unbeleivable. He also deserved 1 two years ago
Connelly is the best footballer in the country. Keegan stopped him illegally over 2 games this year...not a case of him not doing it in a big game...calling a spade a spade it was illegal and anti football.
Not sure about M Donnelly winning one at all
Dont agree with Fenton at all for POTY
You are right MM.Durcan was so so up until the finals .He was superb for Castlebar in there run to the club final so it is very hard to maintain that form thro the whole year.Thrilled that David Clarke got one as he has been a great servant to Mayo football and has over come a lot of serious injuries.Hope he stays on for one more shot at the holy grail.
Clarkie the most popular All-Star ever in this nick of the woods. Everybody is delighted for him after all the setbacks that he has bounced back from.
Durcan should be a shoe in for YPOTY? I thought early in the year that he was putting in the shift but we were not using him. In the Galway game he gave and went several times but never got the ball back. It came together for the final. Incredible talent if he remains fit and well.
Delighted for Boyler again. One of the few that showed the necessary resolve in earlier games.
To win YPOTY you have to be u 21.Diarmuid O Connor is certain to win that award
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 03, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
I think they went for Boyle as he was the populist's choice since he was a name. However Durcan deserved it in front of Boyle and I'd have had O'sullivan ahead of Boyle also for that matter. Similar with McHugh (although he had a strong case for one), his family name done him no harm and Donnelly edged out Brennan/Acheson unfairly imo because of his name also. As with all subjective awards, there is political manoeuvring in these selections but I wouldn't take them too seriously. Look what happened McMahon last year when he should have lifted POTY but they give it to McCaffrey instead because of media image.
As for POTY I imagine Keegan will get it and deservedly so imo. However as with mcMahon last year, it wouldn't overly surprise me if it goes to the more clean cut image of Fenton.
Ryan McHugh was a cert for me, he was immense in pretty much every game he played this year and you like who Donegal played in Championship football this year - Fermanagh, Monaghan x2, Tyrone and Dublin. I think he should have his third all star in a row if things weren't as political as they are.
Donnelly is quite fortunate, he had guys like Acheson and Brennan up against him here from two lesser counties and Brennan in particular was superb this year.
Agree about Donnelly, Acheson had a good year and was unlucky that his worst game was the semi-final (not surprising with a broken bone in his arm) however Brennan was destroyed in both the games against Kerry. He's had better years for Clare. Twas a shocking year over all in terms of midfielders.
Is this the first case where an All-Star recipient (Clarke) was subbed/dropped before his final game in the AI (his Final appearance notwithstanding)?
Probably. Hard to imagine anything that bizzare that happening anywhere outside Mayo.
Quote from: Gold on November 03, 2016, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 07:29:58 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 03, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
I think they went for Boyle as he was the populist's choice since he was a name. However Durcan deserved it in front of Boyle and I'd have had O'sullivan ahead of Boyle also for that matter. Similar with McHugh (although he had a strong case for one), his family name done him no harm and Donnelly edged out Brennan/Acheson unfairly imo because of his name also. As with all subjective awards, there is political manoeuvring in these selections but I wouldn't take them too seriously. Look what happened McMahon last year when he should have lifted POTY but they give it to McCaffrey instead because of media image.
As for POTY I imagine Keegan will get it and deservedly so imo. However as with mcMahon last year, it wouldn't overly surprise me if it goes to the more clean cut image of Fenton.
Ryan McHugh was a cert for me, he was immense in pretty much every game he played this year and you like who Donegal played in Championship football this year - Fermanagh, Monaghan x2, Tyrone and Dublin. I think he should have his third all star in a row if things weren't as political as they are.
Donnelly is quite fortunate, he had guys like Acheson and Brennan up against him here from two lesser counties and Brennan in particular was superb this year.
McHugh was fantastic this year. I was at their match v Cork at Croker and he was the best player on the park by a country mile...unbeleivable. He also deserved 1 two years ago
Connelly is the best footballer in the country. Keegan stopped him illegally over 2 games this year...not a case of him not doing it in a big game...calling a spade a spade it was illegal and anti football.
Not sure about M Donnelly winning one at all
Dont agree with Fenton at all for POTY
Can we please stop perpetuating the myth that Diarmuid Connolly is some shrinking violet who doesn't like a physical battle and isn't regularly giving as good as he gets and more?
Quote from: moysider on November 03, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
Probably. Hard to imagine anything that bizzare that happening anywhere outside Mayo.
A bit like the apparition at Knock then.
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Quote from: moysider on November 03, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
Probably. Hard to imagine anything that bizzare that happening anywhere outside Mayo.
A bit like the apparition at Knock then.
That was a miracle if you are into that kind of thing. The Clarke non-appearance for AI final replay was a ........ I dunno? There is no antonym for miracle in the English language. Disaster/ tragedy comes close.
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Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 03, 2016, 06:31:14 PM
I didn't think Boyle was very good this year, he is quite rash and undisciplined. Durcan was much more deserving of one but obviously they decided against fitting sqare pegs into round holes this year.
How do you mean? They were both half backs all year
I would view centre back as a more specialist position than a wing back, the traditional view would be a 6 holds ground while the wing backs are allowed freedom to roam forward.
While I agree with your point about chb being an important and specialist role, they pick the all stars per line, not specific position, unless this changed when the awards merged
Connolly tracks back and blocks and does loads of work you don't see but it's cos the dominant system. Which is a bit like rugby if you are a spectator. Beautiful technically perhaps.......but very hard to get excited about
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The Mayobridge star retired from inter-county football this week after 15 years in the Mourne County jersey and, in a wide-ranging interview in today's The Irish Daily Star, he says the game is more about fitness nowadays than individual skill and flair.
"There are games you got to at club level where two teams are playing defensive systems and it is ridiculous at times," Coulter said.
"I was even reading stuff the other day, colleges games where they were playing two sweepers."When we were playing for St Mark's (Warrenpoint) in '96 or '97 you just went out and played football, and the better man won, but, now, even at minor level it's down to tactics and crap like that.
"There is too much time spent in the gym and crap like that, or in front of tvs watching stuff."Maybe the likes of 'Skinner' (Eoin) Bradley he'd be a player I'd pay in to watch because he is that unpredictable."He is the type of fella that just plays off the cuff and does his own thing."With a lot of county footballers it's more to do with how fit you are, stuff like that – it sickens me too at times
I wonder how many of today's all star forwards people will remember in 15 years. Murphy, Brogan, Donaghy, O Donoghue, Connolly, Cavanagh, McManus maybe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg9AoIFET4E
Dubs on Facebook giving out about Keegan getting POTY and the Anti Dubs media bias....but I thought I heard Ger Canning say that the winner is picked by his peers...then again it is Canning so its probably shite.
David Clarke brings Ballina Stephenites haul of All Stars to 5 individuals. This is Mayo's biggest no of players awarded. Ballintubber has 5 gongs from 3 individuals.
What are the clubs with big hauls around the country? Austin Stacks, Vincents and Nemo probably the biggest?
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2016, 08:10:56 PM
David Clarke brings Ballina Stephenites haul of All Stars to 5 individuals. This is Mayo's biggest no of players awarded. Ballintubber has 5 gongs from 3 individuals.
What are the clubs with big hauls around the country? Austin Stacks, Vincents and Nemo probably the biggest?
Nemo have 9 different football recipients and 1 hurling. But there is overlap as the hurler, Brian Murphy, was also a football winner.
A quick bit of reckoning and I make Austin Stacks have 7 and Vincent's 8.
Stack's probably have the most statues.
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 04, 2016, 08:09:41 PM
Dubs on Facebook giving out about Keegan getting POTY and the Anti Dubs media bias....but I thought I heard Ger Canning say that the winner is picked by his peers...then again it is Canning so its probably shite.
It is picked by their peers, but the type of Dublin fan that seems to frequent Twitter and Facebook comments section seems to be predominantly people who know nothing about football, probably only started paying attention to the Dublin footballers in 2011 and has barely watched a full match all year. They're all mouthing off without knowing a single thing about the process.
Keegan deserved the award and anyone who was paying attention this year knows that.
Fair play to Keegan on winning FOTY, Rolls Royce footballer and the award is thoroughly deserved for this year. Monivea Abbey will have their hands full trying to contain him this Sunday!!
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on November 04, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
Fair play to Keegan on winning FOTY, Rolls Royce footballer and the award is thoroughly deserved for this year. Monivea Abbey will have their hands full trying to contain him this Sunday!!
Plus 1, a great footballer.
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
Todays football with its obsession with possession stats. Kilkenny was far more impressive last year and his lack of scoring along with Brogan almost cost Dublin the All Ireland this year.
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 04, 2016, 08:09:41 PM
Dubs on Facebook giving out about Keegan getting POTY and the Anti Dubs media bias....but I thought I heard Ger Canning say that the winner is picked by his peers...then again it is Canning so its probably shite.
Keegan is a hate figure for Dublin fans so wouldn't mind that Facebook crap.
Anti- Dubs media bias lol. Dublin used the media to single out Keegan for attention for replay and Deegan bought it.
Media bias? They should have seen the shite Mayo have been on the receiving end of from likes of Brolly, O Rourke, Spillane, Hayes for years. As well as common garden hacks like McGee and Brehony.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 04, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
Todays football with its obsession with possession stats. Kilkenny was far more impressive last year and his lack of scoring along with Brogan almost cost Dublin the All Ireland this year.
Kilkenny's role this year meant Dublin controlled games better. They decided to avoid the chaos of Mayo in 2012 and Donegal,2014. Brogan thrived in open shoot-out games but suffered in this year's conservative approach. Not as pretty but they still won.
Well done to Lee Keegan. Had him only just ahead of Kilkenny.
Did Connolly deserve one?
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 10:38:39 PM
Well done to Lee Keegan. Had him only just ahead of Kilkenny.
Did Connolly deserve one?
I think he did. Had some great games during the summer. He was never going to get the space to express himself v Keegan. But nobody gets that latitude any more at the business end of the year.
In my opinion, Connolly is the best footballer in the country. Every game, people are hopping off him and he still produces the goods. A tougher year for him but still an all-star.
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Yeah, but they would be trying to stop him too. Only a smother approach can contain him. Keegan is freakish in that he can do the job on his own and hurt a team at the other end.
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
It's called talent. I appreciate it's in short supply in tyrone these days. So you may have forgotten what it looks like.
Quite happy to help you out though
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Donegal, kerry , 2nd all ireland final. You're getting warm ........
You can replay videos of him kicking scores from everywhere and tell the kids in your local club - now once upon a time in tyrone we used to have players like that...........................................................
Hope springs eternal
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2016, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Yeah, but they would be trying to stop him too. Only a smother approach can contain him. Keegan is freakish in that he can do the job on his own and hurt a team at the other end.
No doubt. Keegan is on a par with Tomas, bar the medals.
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2016, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Yeah, but they would be trying to stop him too. Only a smother approach can contain him. Keegan is freakish in that he can do the job on his own and hurt a team at the other end.
No doubt. Keegan is on a par with Tomas, bar the medals.
Obviously we're agin medals. Successive managements have worked hard to ensure we don't win any in spite of the players' endeavours. It would be a pity if we won an AI cause it would ruin one of the great GAA stories. I mean you cant rewrite a Greek tragedy and give it a happy ending without ruining it. I'm used to the 'ochón ó agus ochón ó' state and not sure I could handle winning an AI now. I don t think it would be right. It would ruin everything.
It would be a complete change of mindset alright. Possibly cataclysmic .
What would you tell yer children?
Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2016, 12:37:16 AM
It would be a complete change of mindset alright. Possibly cataclysmic .
What would you tell yer children?
My kids have already seen 5 losses and pretty well accepting of our role in the big scheme of things.
My club has 5 different All-Star recipients and not a celtic cross between them. How brilliant and unique is that?!
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2016, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 04, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
Todays football with its obsession with possession stats. Kilkenny was far more impressive last year and his lack of scoring along with Brogan almost cost Dublin the All Ireland this year.
Kilkenny's role this year meant Dublin controlled games better. They decided to avoid the chaos of Mayo in 2012 and Donegal,2014. Brogan thrived in open shoot-out games but suffered in this year's conservative approach. Not as pretty but they still won.
Did Dublin really control games better this year? Needed individual errors from Mayo to gain any bit of control of the finals and this was against a Mayo side in average form all year. Last year against Kerry in the final was the one big game I seen Dublin control the best the last few years. 2012 Dublin conceded 0-19 to Mayo compared to the replay this year 1-14 does two more points conceded equal chaos?
The conservative approach I don't think so Brogan,Kilkenny scores were way off from what they scored last year it happens form dips and it seem Dublin score or create more goals when Jack McCaffrey is in the side.
One would probably have to go back to the seventies to find a pretty Dublin All Ireland final win
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Probably. Hard to imagine anything that bizzare that happening anywhere outside Mayo.
A bit like the apparition at Knock then.
That was a miracle if you are into that kind of thing. The Clarke non-appearance for AI final replay was a ........ I dunno? There is no antonym for miracle in the English language. Disaster/ tragedy comes close.
It was a right f**k up by whoever made the call for him to be dropped imo. Yet nobody is calling for anyone's head. I know if it was Maughan, there'd be uproar if it happened.
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on November 04, 2016, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 04, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
What great game did he have? Possibly against Meath or Laois?
Yeah, but they would be trying to stop him too. Only a smother approach can contain him. Keegan is freakish in that he can do the job on his own and hurt a team at the other end.
No doubt. Keegan is on a par with Tomas, bar the medals.
Keegan is a fantastic footballer and im glad he won POTY as the other 2 didnt deserve it
But........ Watch him v Connoly and Cavanagh. Watch the whole game. Watch how he is just physically holding Connolly when Dublin scored their 1st goal. Its all off the ball fouling that he unbelievably gets away with. No doubt Connolly is no shrinking violet but he 100% gets targeted, as does Cavanagh. He does not, as a forward go out to hold onto a back.
Anyone here who has played as a forward knows the craic...if your man stands beside you and is fair then happy days. If he holds you and wont let go you simply have to try and break free....hence Cavanaghs sending off and Connollys ripped shirt
Keegan is class, undoubtedly, but he is stopping these boys by downright fouling and wouldve got the line if noticed
Are Connolly & Cavanagh the only forwards who get held? Or the only ones who react?
Quote from: INDIANA on November 04, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
It's called talent. I appreciate it's in short supply in tyrone these days. So you may have forgotten what it looks like.
Quite happy to help you out though
Ciaran Kilkenny is vastly overrated . Keegan probably deserved it to be fair . The Dublin seethe is priceless . That said the have the medals.
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 05, 2016, 09:27:58 AM
Are Connolly & Cavanagh the only forwards who get held? Or the only ones who react?
Definetly not. Cooper and McMahon and these boys hold onto men all day long...but it isnt what people pay in to see. People want to see Connolly dummy soloing and kicking balls over with the outside of his boot. They dont pay in to see boys hanging onto boys jerseys
People are getting carried away with Keegan saying "isnt he great, he 'held' Cavanagh scoreless"
The thing is he literally just 'held' Cavanagh.
Id love him to be from Antrim tbf! Id love him to hold onto Cavanagh if he played for us and could keep him scoreless.
But calling a spade a spade its part of, but its anti football, fouling and not what purists pay in to see
If this non stop fouling is going on
Why are Refs not giving frees and yellow cards?
Why are umpires and linesmen not drawing the Refs' attentions to it.
Apply the rules!
Quote from: INDIANA on November 04, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
It's called talent. I appreciate it's in short supply in tyrone these days. So you may have forgotten what it looks like.
Quite happy to help you out though
Good man Indy
Just remember ní h uasal ná íseal ach thus seal agus thíos seal.
Quote from: Gold on November 05, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on November 05, 2016, 09:27:58 AM
Are Connolly & Cavanagh the only forwards who get held? Or the only ones who react?
Definetly not. Cooper and McMahon and these boys hold onto men all day long...but it isnt what people pay in to see. People want to see Connolly dummy soloing and kicking balls over with the outside of his boot. They dont pay in to see boys hanging onto boys jerseys
People are getting carried away with Keegan saying "isnt he great, he 'held' Cavanagh scoreless"
The thing is he literally just 'held' Cavanagh.
Id love him to be from Antrim tbf! Id love him to hold onto Cavanagh if he played for us and could keep him scoreless.
But calling a spade a spade its part of, but its anti football, fouling and not what purists pay in to see
Exact same against tipp, he kept quinlivan scoreless from play but fouled his for 4/5 easy frees and fouled constantly, any other player would be getting 2 yellows or a black for consistant fouling
Incredible that the voting panel got a PotY correct for once. Keegan richly deserved the award. Way better than Jack Mc last year or even Lacy back in 2012. Can't remember a defender who struck the balance between actually defending and attacking as well as Keegan did this year.
Tomas was a hoor for running up the field and being gassed when he got back to do his primary job in his later years, and he's far from the only 'big name' defender who had trouble doing the basics right. Keegan stopped his men and went up the field and scored himself. You can't really ask any more from a player.
The fact any supporter could have watched this year's championship and think Fenton or Kilkenny deserved this more is frightening in the extreme. Partisanship is one thing but it was blindingly obvious Keegan was the best player on the field in the AI finals.
It's an awful fûcking travesty Keegan and Clarke weren't on the pitch at the same time in the replay.
Wasn't aware of Keegans Cavan links
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjd5b68h5LQAhUqAsAKHZwPAoAQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fsport%2Fgaelic-games%2Fgaelic-football%2Flee-keegan-interview-mayo-s-man-apart-on-how-gaelic-football-was-not-for-him-1.2587486&usg=AFQjCNGvA45MNJGvbo9i8z30Z7B39jyV5Q
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2016, 03:25:36 PM
Incredible that the voting panel got a PotY correct for once. Keegan richly deserved the award. Way better than Jack Mc last year or even Lacy back in 2012. Can't remember a defender who struck the balance between actually defending and attacking as well as Keegan did this year.
Tomas was a hoor for running up the field and being gassed when he got back to do his primary job in his later years, and he's far from the only 'big name' defender who had trouble doing the basics right. Keegan stopped his men and went up the field and scored himself. You can't really ask any more from a player.
The fact any supporter could have watched this year's championship and think Fenton or Kilkenny deserved this more is frightening in the extreme. Partisanship is one thing but it was blindingly obvious Keegan was the best player on the field in the AI finals.
For once I agree with you,syferus.Keegan was the best player by a country mile in this years championship and no other player really came close.
Quare bitta analysis for Ulsteronians
http://www.performasports.com/news/ulster-sfc-all-star-team-2016-selected-from-player-analysis
I see Dublin are beginning to parade out there former players to knock Keegans POtY award starting with Vinnie Murphy in the Sindo.According to the bould Vinnie all Keegan does all game long is pull and drag his opponent and contributes nothing else.Wonder who will be giving there insight all next week,perhaps Charlie Redmond . Cannot wait. :) :)
Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Quare bitta analysis for Ulsteronians
http://www.performasports.com/news/ulster-sfc-all-star-team-2016-selected-from-player-analysis
Performa is very interesting
But is it standardising performances ?
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2016, 07:49:17 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Quare bitta analysis for Ulsteronians
http://www.performasports.com/news/ulster-sfc-all-star-team-2016-selected-from-player-analysis
Performa is very interesting
But is it standardising performances ?
Having Conor MC Manus for example in last place suggests so.
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2016, 03:25:36 PM
Incredible that the voting panel got a PotY correct for once. Keegan richly deserved the award. Way better than Jack Mc last year or even Lacy back in 2012. Can't remember a defender who struck the balance between actually defending and attacking as well as Keegan did this year.
Tomas was a hoor for running up the field and being gassed when he got back to do his primary job in his later years, and he's far from the only 'big name' defender who had trouble doing the basics right. Keegan stopped his men and went up the field and scored himself. You can't really ask any more from a player.
The fact any supporter could have watched this year's championship and think Fenton or Kilkenny deserved this more is frightening in the extreme. Partisanship is one thing but it was blindingly obvious Keegan was the best player on the field in the AI finals.
What a load of bollocks.
You can make an argument that Colm McFadden equally deserved the award in 2012, but Lacey was absolutely extraordinary that season too, as he was most seasons in his career. He was the fulcrum of the team in McGuinness' first two seasons, before the injuries, organizing the defense and launching attacks and showing up vital scores (its no coincidence that he played the two key passes in the build up to Donegal's goals in the 2012 final). Any man who doubts his contribution and importance to that team and his level of performance is merely showing his utter ignorance. Lacey will go down as one of the two or three greatest Donegal players ever.
Quote from: orangeman on November 06, 2016, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: seafoid on November 06, 2016, 07:49:17 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 05, 2016, 08:53:27 PM
Quare bitta analysis for Ulsteronians
http://www.performasports.com/news/ulster-sfc-all-star-team-2016-selected-from-player-analysis
Performa is very interesting
But is it standardising performances ?
Having Conor MC Manus for example in last place suggests so.
It's is all about what is measured
But you can't quantify
genius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw2a7Ej_NU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgjwhS4fAIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg9AoIFET4E
Quote from: J70 on November 06, 2016, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2016, 03:25:36 PM
Incredible that the voting panel got a PotY correct for once. Keegan richly deserved the award. Way better than Jack Mc last year or even Lacy back in 2012. Can't remember a defender who struck the balance between actually defending and attacking as well as Keegan did this year.
Tomas was a hoor for running up the field and being gassed when he got back to do his primary job in his later years, and he's far from the only 'big name' defender who had trouble doing the basics right. Keegan stopped his men and went up the field and scored himself. You can't really ask any more from a player.
The fact any supporter could have watched this year's championship and think Fenton or Kilkenny deserved this more is frightening in the extreme. Partisanship is one thing but it was blindingly obvious Keegan was the best player on the field in the AI finals.
What a load of bollocks.
You can make an argument that Colm McFadden equally deserved the award in 2012, but Lacey was absolutely extraordinary that season too, as he was most seasons in his career. He was the fulcrum of the team in McGuinness' first two seasons, before the injuries, organizing the defense and launching attacks and showing up vital scores (its no coincidence that he played the two key passes in the build up to Donegal's goals in the 2012 final). Any man who doubts his contribution and importance to that team and his level of performance is merely showing his utter ignorance. Lacey will go down as one of the two or three greatest Donegal players ever.
+1 Lacey was absolutely unbelievable in 2012. He's looked done in the past few years but certainly an all time great.
Firstly, congratulations to Lee and Diarmuid on their awards, hugely deserved and the outrage of some Dublin supporters hints at a sense of entitlement that would shame Pee Flynn.
Secondly, there is an interesting article in The Times this morning regarding Irish/American voting in Ohio. They interview a lady called Colleen Corrigan Day, a former director of the Democratic Party for Cuyahoga County in Ohio, which includes the city of Cleveland. Her people originally come from Achill and she is also secretary of the Cleveland Mayo Society. In that one county in Ohio, 400,000 people identify themselves as Irish, of which 250,000 claim roots in Mayo. That's a quarter of a million people in one county, in one state, who claim Mayo roots. People often forget that America is more than New York, Boston and Chicago.
How many fundraisers have been held in Cleveland? How many county board officials have contacted Mrs Corrigan over the years or even know she exists? If only 1% of those people in Cleveland who claim Mayo roots gave $100 each, that's $250,000 you'd have raised. Can people not see the resources that are waiting to be tapped by a competent and well supported commercial director. How many more Mrs Corrigans exist throughout America and elsewhere just waiting for that phone call asking them to help?
Quote from: Syferus on November 05, 2016, 03:25:36 PM
Incredible that the voting panel got a PotY correct for once. Keegan richly deserved the award. Way better than Jack Mc last year or even Lacy back in 2012. Can't remember a defender who struck the balance between actually defending and attacking as well as Keegan did this year.
Tomas was a hoor for running up the field and being gassed when he got back to do his primary job in his later years, and he's far from the only 'big name' defender who had trouble doing the basics right. Keegan stopped his men and went up the field and scored himself. You can't really ask any more from a player.
The fact any supporter could have watched this year's championship and think Fenton or Kilkenny deserved this more is frightening in the extreme. Partisanship is one thing but it was blindingly obvious Keegan was the best player on the field in the AI finals.
Brilliant to see that Mayo men scooped both young player of the year and young player of the year. Nothing short of deserved on both counts.
We are living in an era of brilliant, and outstanding Mayo players.
With regard to the Dubs, it's they way the love the complaining and the banter, more doing it to rise us than anything else. They have the same attitude with regard to Galway's hurlers complaining about the venues of the Leinster championship. Dead pan jokes etc
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
I see Dublin are beginning to parade out there former players to knock Keegans POtY award starting with Vinnie Murphy in the Sindo.According to the bould Vinnie all Keegan does all game long is pull and drag his opponent and contributes nothing else.Wonder who will be giving there insight all next week,perhaps Charlie Redmond . Cannot wait. :) :)
Fair dues to Lee Keegan on winning POTY. I wouldn't begrudge him the honour even though he got a black card in the final. It's a pity though that Philly McMahon wasn't given the same recognition last year after being so obviously the outstanding player of the year.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 06, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
I see Dublin are beginning to parade out there former players to knock Keegans POtY award starting with Vinnie Murphy in the Sindo.According to the bould Vinnie all Keegan does all game long is pull and drag his opponent and contributes nothing else.Wonder who will be giving there insight all next week,perhaps Charlie Redmond . Cannot wait. :) :)
Fair dues to Lee Keegan on winning POTY. I wouldn't begrudge him the honour even though he got a black card in the final. It's a pity though that Philly McMahon wasn't given the same recognition last year after being so obviously the outstanding player of the year.
I think the difference between a player receiving a black card because his opposite number can't handle him and takes a dive before throwing a hissy fit to have him carded and a player who gouges another lads eye is so plainly obvious that I suspect you are taking the piss. But looking at some of the embarrassing Dublin reaction to Keegan's award, maybe you're not
Quote from: INDIANA on November 04, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on November 04, 2016, 09:40:17 PM
Can't believe how Kilkenny was in top three for POTY. Lucky to get even get an all star.
It's called talent. I appreciate it's in short supply in tyrone these days. So you may have forgotten what it looks like.
Quite happy to help you out though
No doubting the lad is incredibly talented. However, the role he played for you guys was extremely monotonous and, IMO, should not be rewarded with a top 3 position over the year. more deserving of that last based on last year's performances.
Kilkenny shouldn't have been anywhere near the award.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 06, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
I see Dublin are beginning to parade out there former players to knock Keegans POtY award starting with Vinnie Murphy in the Sindo.According to the bould Vinnie all Keegan does all game long is pull and drag his opponent and contributes nothing else.Wonder who will be giving there insight all next week,perhaps Charlie Redmond . Cannot wait. :) :)
Fair dues to Lee Keegan on winning POTY. I wouldn't begrudge him the honour even though he got a black card in the final. It's a pity though that Philly McMahon wasn't given the same recognition last year after being so obviously the outstanding player of the year.
You may well be right about last year but if he got the same recognition that Keegan got in the final replay, he'd be heading for the sideline a lot sooner than Leroy did.
I'm not accusing you of anything in particular but many of your fellow-Dub supporters have gone OTT about Keegan's treatment of Connolly, while far worse was happening at the other end of the field where Cooper and McMahon were giving Aidan O'Shea a torrid time of it or what about Eamonn Fitzmaurice's moan that Donaghy had been "pilloried and raped" by the Dublin defence in the league final?
Many of the anti-Keegan brigade never saw what was happening between Keegan and Connolly as the game progressed. Well, I did as I knew there was going to be some craic between the pair of them and anyone who bothers to watch the replay again will see that Connolly was no angel either and the cameras didn't pick up the half of it.
McMahon probably should have won POTY last year but his trampish behavior was a big factor in him not getting the award.It says it all really when 2 of his opponents refused to shake hands with him at the end of the game.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 06, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on November 06, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: maigheo on November 05, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
I see Dublin are beginning to parade out there former players to knock Keegans POtY award starting with Vinnie Murphy in the Sindo.According to the bould Vinnie all Keegan does all game long is pull and drag his opponent and contributes nothing else.Wonder who will be giving there insight all next week,perhaps Charlie Redmond . Cannot wait. :) :)
Fair dues to Lee Keegan on winning POTY. I wouldn't begrudge him the honour even though he got a black card in the final. It's a pity though that Philly McMahon wasn't given the same recognition last year after being so obviously the outstanding player of the year.
You may well be right about last year but if he got the same recognition that Keegan got in the final replay, he'd be heading for the sideline a lot sooner than Leroy did.
I'm not accusing you of anything in particular but many of your fellow-Dub supporters have gone OTT about Keegan's treatment of Connolly, while far worse was happening at the other end of the field where Cooper and McMahon were giving Aidan O'Shea a torrid time of it or what about Eamonn Fitzmaurice's moan that Donaghy had been "pilloried and raped" by the Dublin defence in the league final?
Many of the anti-Keegan brigade never saw what was happening between Keegan and Connolly as the game progressed. Well, I did as I knew there was going to be some craic between the pair of them and anyone who bothers to watch the replay again will see that Connolly was no angel either and the cameras didn't pick up the half of it.
I have no issue with Lee Keegan getting Player of the Year. He well deserved it. I was simply returning to a gripe from last year when in my opinion Philly McMahon was the outstanding player of the year but didn't get the award.
As for this year, congratulations to Lee Keegan on a great year.
Quote from: ZeitChrist on November 06, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Kilkenny shouldn't have been anywhere near the award.
He really should not have got an all star . overrated . Seems a decent fellow .
Shouldn't have been nominated for POTY but wouldn't say he overrated. He was best half forward in country last year kicking 18 points in 7 games. His role changed this year playing a much more deeper and defensive role only scoring 5 points in 7 games. He is only 23 and will hopefully continue to get better playing closer to goal.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 06, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
I'm not accusing you of anything in particular but many of your fellow-Dub supporters have gone OTT about Keegan's treatment of Connolly, while far worse was happening at the other end of the field where Cooper and McMahon were giving Aidan O'Shea a torrid time of it or what about Eamonn Fitzmaurice's moan that Donaghy had been "pilloried and raped" by the Dublin defence in the league final?
I believe there is a reason why when Cooper was shouldered in the back after Keegan's goal he got no sympathy from the umpire. It does be clear to see the carry on of the Dublin full back line when at matches and not having to watch on telly, especially when defending from the Hill.
Keegan POTY....absoulute joke
Quote from: The Artful Dodger on November 09, 2016, 01:31:33 AM
Keegan POTY....absoulute joke
Welcome to the board and a huge thanks for that valuable contribution.
Quote from: Bod Mor on November 09, 2016, 01:44:46 AM
Quote from: The Artful Dodger on November 09, 2016, 01:31:33 AM
Keegan POTY....absoulute joke
Welcome to the board and a huge thanks for that valuable contribution.
He is yet another sock puppet. We seem to have an awful to of them recently.
Quote from: The Artful Dodger on November 09, 2016, 01:31:33 AM
Keegan POTY....absoulute joke
Your spelling is on a par with your knowledge of football.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxvhOABo67A
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2016, 10:54:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxvhOABo67A
I'd say Pat Spillane had tougher battles at play school than that!
Quote from: muppet on November 30, 2016, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 30, 2016, 10:54:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxvhOABo67A
I'd say Pat Spillane had tougher battles at play school than that!
i was at one of these games in 2009 in SAN Francisco and it was a joke of a game and a con job on anyone who paid to see it . Give the Allstars a holiday by all means but don't bill this as a competitive game , I thought at the time some prize money should be put up for the winners to give the game a bit of an edge.