http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/brussels-airport-explosions-heard
Hopefully no fatalities. Reports of a number of injuries..
Fatalities reported by Belgian police, apparently happened close to American Airlines check in desk
Must be the rest of the cell of Abdeslam
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Must be the rest of the cell of Abdeslam
I'd say so. Another explosion in the Metro station near the EU.
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. Bastards.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
you are a complete dcikhead..... 10 people + dead in explosions and you get on the USA hate campaign early... lets show some disgust at the cnuts that have planted the bomb and then give your theories .. nob
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
I love it. Blame everyone else except for the crackpots who carried out the atrocity.
I was waiting for what Belgium did in the Middle East angle milltown.
It's such a tragedy. I know someone working in the EU. Thankfully he's safe. Any time Brussels is mentioned, I think of him. The world's a smaller place and it's getting smaller
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2016, 09:26:09 AM
I was waiting for what Belgium did in the Middle East angle milltown.
It's such a tragedy. I know someone working in the EU. Thankfully he's safe. Any time Brussels is mentioned, I think of him. The world's a smaller place and it's getting smaller
+1
Getting smaller and more dangerous.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 22, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
I love it. Blame everyone else except for the crackpots who carried out the atrocity.
it's part of a system. It will keep happening. Same as the north in the 70s. Stop giving people motivation to kill
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 22, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
I love it. Blame everyone else except for the crackpots who carried out the atrocity.
it's part of a system. It will keep happening. Same as the north in the 70s. Stop giving people motivation to kill
You never lived in a place like the North so you know feck all about it
Did seafoid not live in Palestine for a while?
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 10:45:34 AM
Did seafoid not live in Palestine for a while?
Did he? very good, then he should know that bombs and killing people is pointless
I can see the similarities with the North.
Invaders from the East start to establish themselves in ever increasing numbers and then drive out the locals.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2016, 10:45:34 AM
Did seafoid not live in Palestine for a while?
Did he? very good, then he should know that bombs and killing people is pointless
They are . But they don't happen in a vacuum. And WTF is the point of the war in Syria ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
you are a complete dcikhead..... 10 people + dead in explosions and you get on the USA hate campaign early... lets show some disgust at the cnuts that have planted the bomb and then give your theories .. nob
I got my disgust in early. The Euro authorities have no grip on this.
Syria/Iraq have resulted in a cadre of terrorists who can do anything. This is 'bring it on"
The US is useless when it comes to sorting out the Middle East. Gregory Campbell would do a better job. Get the alawis marching .
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2016, 10:42:04 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 22, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
I love it. Blame everyone else except for the crackpots who carried out the atrocity.
it's part of a system. It will keep happening. Same as the north in the 70s. Stop giving people motivation to kill
You never lived in a place like the North so you know feck all about it
you don't have to have lived in the north to see how society breaks down and thugs take over. The logic of political violence is fairly consistent.
Everyone who dies is innocent. Except infidels/security forces /fil in your own specification. The goal is a UI/UK/72 virgins/delete as appropriate
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 11:20:07 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2016, 09:14:53 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
you are a complete dcikhead..... 10 people + dead in explosions and you get on the USA hate campaign early... lets show some disgust at the cnuts that have planted the bomb and then give your theories .. nob
I got my disgust in early. The Euro authorities have no grip on this.
Syria/Iraq have resulted in a cadre of terrorists who can do anything. This is 'bring it on"
The US is useless when it comes to sorting out the Middle East. Gregory Campbell would do a better job. Get the alawis marching .
Nope didn't see it on the thread at all.....stop being an apologist for terrorists .. be they USA foreign policies or suicide bombers
Isis wants chaos.So do the yanks. The sociopaths in charge do not care about civilians. Pointing this out does not condone terrorism.
I wouldn't go near the Euros this summer.
Anything could happen
I spent a bit of time in Belgium back in 2002, both in Antwerp and Brussels. My heart goes out to anyone and their friends + family caught up in today's bombings.
I was in Brussels airport a few months back and went through Malbaeek station en route to Bruges. Plenty of heavily armed army personnel everywhere but how do you stop a sick **** with a suicide vest blowing up innocents queuing for flights? Every checkpoint will create a backlog of people gathering that will be vulnerable to attack. Watching the videos of the scene is harrowing with buggies everywhere. Dread to think of the carnage closer to the detonation spot. As someone said earlier the Euros are going to be a huge target for these bastards. How is it even possible to protect them?
Trumps idea of closing the borders to any more Muslims will undoubtedly gain traction with every attack.
The more terrorist attacks their are the more Americans will look for safety & action. This is what Trump is peddling.
He hasn't addressed the small issue of Muslims already in the country mind you. But then his policies don't make much sense at the best of times.
WW3 is coming at a speed of knots :-\
Do we have Belgian flag profile pics on Facebook yet? They will be vital, both in terms of overcoming this tragedy and ensuring that nothing like this ever happens again.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/11/16/paris-attacks-isis-strategy-chaos/
ww lll won't happen until someone of importance is killed by ISIS
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
For someone who knows as much of the politics and history of the area as you do, I am surprised at this post.
The ME is a disaster for a multitude of reasons and has been for centuries. Religion, dogma, oil, Cold War fall-out, Neo-Cons, Israel, Shias/Sunnis, Saudi & Qatar, Iran etc, etc, etc.
But you single out one person for blame?
RIP to the victims. I think we will see a lot more of this before we see less of it. World politics is moving again towards extremes, which is never good. This movement is become self-propelling. More extremists (Trump for example) leads to more attacks which leads to more extremists etc.
Article written in 2014 but still relevant
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism (http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism)
Quote from: Asal Mor on March 22, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Do we have Belgian flag profile pics on Facebook yet? They will be vital, both in terms of overcoming this tragedy and ensuring that nothing like this ever happens again.
Free our girls
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2016, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
For someone who knows as much of the politics and history of the area as you do, I am surprised at this post.
The ME is a disaster for a multitude of reasons and has been for centuries. Religion, dogma, oil, Cold War fall-out, Neo-Cons, Israel, Shias/Sunnis, Saudi & Qatar, Iran etc, etc, etc.
But you single out one person for blame?
RIP to the victims. I think we will see a lot more of this before we see less of it. World politics is moving again towards extremes, which is never good. This movement is become self-propelling. More extremists (Trump for example) leads to more attacks which leads to more extremists etc.
Hillary is a neocon, Muppet and those were the people who invaded Iraq, disarmed the Iraqi army, bombed Libya and stoked the Syrian civil war. I was in the ME 15 years ago when Israel and Syria were involved in peace talks. It hasn't been this bad for a very, very long time. Hillary is a sociopath. Nothing she ever did worked. she fucked up healthcare reform in the 90s as well.
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2016, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 08:52:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 22, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Reported as 10 dead and 30 injured with potentially multiple attacks on metro stations. b**tards.
a lot of it traceable back to Hillary f**king Clinton. Libya is a catastrophe and she got money to Syria to get the civil war going. She is a grade A warmonger.
For someone who knows as much of the politics and history of the area as you do, I am surprised at this post.
The ME is a disaster for a multitude of reasons and has been for centuries. Religion, dogma, oil, Cold War fall-out, Neo-Cons, Israel, Shias/Sunnis, Saudi & Qatar, Iran etc, etc, etc.
But you single out one person for blame?
RIP to the victims. I think we will see a lot more of this before we see less of it. World politics is moving again towards extremes, which is never good. This movement is become self-propelling. More extremists (Trump for example) leads to more attacks which leads to more extremists etc.
Hillary is a neocon, Muppet and those were the people who invaded Iraq, disarmed the Iraqi army, bombed Libya and stoked the Syrian civil war. I was in the ME 15 years ago when Israel and Syria were involved in peace talks. It hasn't been this bad for a very, very long time. Hillary is a sociopath. Nothing she ever did worked. she fucked up healthcare reform in the 90s as well.
The NeoCons opposed Bill Clinton's foreign policy and wanted him to get rid of Saddam. They are also anti-Darwin. But most of all they are blindly pro-Israel. You can't accuse anyone of the current White House administration of being Netanyahu puppets. Even Hillary.
Read her AIPAC speech. Even Warren is a Zionist puppet.
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
Read her AIPAC speech. Even Warren is a Zionist puppet.
Have you read Trump's?
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
Read her AIPAC speech. Even Warren is a Zionist puppet.
Have you read Trump's?
The Zionists buy everyone. Trump is a joke anyway. Hillary is serious
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
Read her AIPAC speech. Even Warren is a Zionist puppet.
Have you read Trump's?
The Zionists buy everyone. Trump is a joke anyway. Hillary is serious
When you were in the ME did you work as an activist against the Jewish occupation of Palestine or did you work for some multi national company that raped the land??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2016, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 22, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2016, 05:28:39 PM
Read her AIPAC speech. Even Warren is a Zionist puppet.
Have you read Trump's?
The Zionists buy everyone. Trump is a joke anyway. Hillary is serious
When you were in the ME did you work as an activist against the Jewish occupation of Palestine or did you work for some multi national company that raped the land??
I was learning Arabic and doing a bit of journalism
Pay no heed seafoid, miltown has a history of serious anger issues.
Quote from: No wides on March 22, 2016, 08:01:00 PM
Pay no heed seafoid, miltown has a history of serious anger issues.
Troll much?
Good doc on about the Saudi regime.. Seems like a lovely place
Imagine if the bastards got away with the other bombs they were planning. Sick cnuts.
The scary thing is despite the massive hunt for Abdelslam in Molenbeek the authorities completely missed the cell that carried out the latest atrocity .
Quote from: seafoid on March 23, 2016, 07:31:34 AM
The scary thing is despite the massive hunt for Abdelslam in Molenbeek the authorities completely missed the cell that carried out the latest atrocity .
The scarier thing is that they actually had identified this cell, had linked it to the Paris attacks and yet were still unable to prevent them from carrying out this attack.
If European countries, Russia and the USA were not involved in these countries would everything be rosy? would these countries regulate themselves and become proper nations that ran democratic elections and had freedom of speech and allowed it's citizens to have a say in their futures? would it stop refugees coming into Europe and beyond as they can live in their own countries without the threat of American and Russian bombs?
And what effect will that have on the global market and the resources that us, that's you me and everyone else in this country take for granted and use without actually raising an eyebrow....
Now to be fair I don't know much about global politics and finding info and throwing up a link that's 4 pages long wont do it for me as I've actually no time to read it ....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
If European countries, Russia and the USA were not involved in these countries would everything be rosy? would these countries regulate themselves and become proper nations that ran democratic elections and had freedom of speech and allowed it's citizens to have a say in their futures? would it stop refugees coming into Europe and beyond as they can live in their own countries without the threat of American and Russian bombs?
And what effect will that have on the global market and the resources that us, that's you me and everyone else in this country take for granted and use without actually raising an eyebrow....
Now to be fair I don't know much about global politics and finding info and throwing up a link that's 4 pages long wont do it for me as I've actually no time to read it ....
NOThe global economy wouldnt necessarily be massively effected directly but it is what these people would do with the wealth they would accumulate that would be the issue. Would soon move to an all out world war which is basically what this IS is hoping for that is why they keep poking at different countries to drag more and more into the conflict.Hows that MR2 ;)
Quote from: NAG1 on March 23, 2016, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2016, 09:44:58 AM
If European countries, Russia and the USA were not involved in these countries would everything be rosy? would these countries regulate themselves and become proper nations that ran democratic elections and had freedom of speech and allowed it's citizens to have a say in their futures? would it stop refugees coming into Europe and beyond as they can live in their own countries without the threat of American and Russian bombs?
And what effect will that have on the global market and the resources that us, that's you me and everyone else in this country take for granted and use without actually raising an eyebrow....
Now to be fair I don't know much about global politics and finding info and throwing up a link that's 4 pages long wont do it for me as I've actually no time to read it ....
NO
The global economy wouldnt necessarily be massively effected directly but it is what these people would do with the wealth they would accumulate that would be the issue. Would soon move to an all out world war which is basically what this IS is hoping for that is why they keep poking at different countries to drag more and more into the conflict.
Hows that MR2 ;)
Would that keep Seafoid and ones that think like him happy?
Love some of these tweets!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html)
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
It needs serious diplomacy and money to fix
Anything else is waffle.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
It needs serious diplomacy and money to fix
Anything else is waffle.
That's not the question, if westerners stay out of their affairs would it solve the problem? Would it keep muslims happy and just let them get on with it??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
It needs serious diplomacy and money to fix
Anything else is waffle.
That's not the question, if westerners stay out of their affairs would it solve the problem? Would it keep muslims happy and just let them get on with it??
MR2 no it really wouldnt at this point.
These radicals basically see everyone who isnt a devout believer as the enemy, so there are two options for them, either Christians can pay them off and be subservient to them or they can die. Everyone else is basically cannon fodder.
The end goal is a battle of the believers and non believers (Roman Army) with the whole world becoming a radical state.
So basically MR2 regardless of whether the western countries stay out of it or not IF these radicals get to establish themselves, war will come to them anyway.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
It needs serious diplomacy and money to fix
Anything else is waffle.
That's not the question, if westerners stay out of their affairs would it solve the problem? Would it keep muslims happy and just let them get on with it??
they let india get on with it and it works but there is no oil involved
I think you've an extremely naive perspective on this MR
The untold atrocities carried out by outside powers in that whole region as they protect their oil and political interests (for several generations) has created the resource (people with a reason to hate) that ensures these type of hate filled reprisals will happen on our door step given Europe's proximity to the region
Our media protects us from the long/medium geo political strategy of the west but instead finds excuses/reasons why anything they do in the area is only done for the good of the good guys in whatever area they're inflicting mayhem.
All too easy to blindly ignore these realities and hang the blame solely on some sort of deranged ideology.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
It needs serious diplomacy and money to fix
Anything else is waffle.
That's not the question, if westerners stay out of their affairs would it solve the problem? Would it keep muslims happy and just let them get on with it??
Having recently attended a seminar on export controls in the UK, the guest speaker being from the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office and where 95% of the companies attending were military or aerospace manufacturers there is no intention of the West 'just letting them get on with it' as all in the room were encouraged to step up exports into the region and the FCO would assist them in making contacts within the regions via trade missions and embassy contacts. The intention is to double trade into the Middle East in the next 2 years...
I'll let you guess what the majority of that trade will entail..
Quote from: theskull1 on March 24, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
I think you've an extremely naive perspective on this MR
The untold atrocities carried out by outside powers in that whole region as they protect their oil and political interests (for several generations) has created the resource (people with a reason to hate) that ensures these type of hate filled reprisals will happen on our door step.
Our media protects us from the long/medium geo political strategy of the west but instead finds excuses/reasons why anything they do in the area is only done for the good of the good guys in whatever area they're inflicting mayhem.
All too easy to blindly ignore these realities and hang the blame solely on some sort of deranged ideology.
I'm well aware of it to be fair, having grown up watching families get involved with paramilitaries due to the impact of the troubles and how it affected them, its not difficult to see how the pillaging warmongering and bombings has affected and generated a situation that we have today.... Hate, religion and atrocities will continue this..... But what's being done to stop it or is it past that point?? Recriminations and blame for what's happening ain't going to solve it..... My point and I have already said I'm not into global politics or believe I have the answers, but I've yet to hear or see a post that will effectively calm the situation and get people round a table and talk
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
You left out Islamic fundamentalism.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 24, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
You left out Islamic fundamentalism.
::)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism)
The modern Islamic fundamentalist movements have their origins in the late 19th century.[32] The Wahhabi movement, an Arabian fundamentalist movement that began in the 18th century, gained traction and spread during the 19th and 20th centuries.[33]
During the Cold War following World War II, some NATO governments, particularly those of the United States and the United Kingdom, launched covert and overt campaigns to encourage and strengthen fundamentalist groups in the Middle East and southern Asia. These groups were seen as a hedge against potential expansion by the Soviet Union, and as a means to prevent the growth of nationalistic movements that were not necessarily favorable toward the interests of the Western nations.[34] By the 1970s the Islamists had become important allies in supporting governments, such as Egypt, which were friendly to U.S. interests. By the late 1970s, however, some fundamentalist groups had become militaristic leading to threats and changes to existing regimes. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran and rise of the Ayatollah Khomeini was one of the most significant signs of this shift.[35] Subsequently fundamentalist forces in Algeria caused a civil war, caused a near-civil war in Egypt, and caused the downfall of the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.[36]
In many cases the military wings of these groups were supplied with money and arms by the U.S. and U.K.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 24, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
You left out Islamic fundamentalism.
which is a product of the above. Esp US middle east policy
I agree that the US has contributed to the situation, but I'm not buying that these people were all decent skin nice guys with a tolerant view of the West and non-Islamic people until the US came along.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Apostasy_in_the_recent_past
It's classic left wing guff to blame the US for everything and give the Islamic nutjobs a free pass.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 24, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
You left out Islamic fundamentalism.
which is a product of the above. Esp US middle east policy
Never their fault, is it?
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 24, 2016, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 10:46:00 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 24, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
ISIS is a product of
The Iraq war
US mideast policy
The collapse of neoliberalism and the impact on the periphery of Europe
Climate change
Sunni vs Shia
The end of Arab autocracy
The enforcement of US hegemony
Saudi
Population growth
You left out Islamic fundamentalism.
which is a product of the above. Esp US middle east policy
Never their fault, is it?
Sunny v Shia and Saudi are but not US foreign policy or Israel
Strange how ISIS never attack Israel or anything Israeli.........
If I were a cynic I might think they were getting funding from that rogue State. Ah but sure that would never happen ::)
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
Quote from: No wides on March 24, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
Love some of these tweets!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html)
a ' mealy mouthed arrest' ?
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Strange how ISIS never attack Israel or anything Israeli.........
If I were a cynic I might think they were getting funding from that rogue State. Ah but sure that would never happen ::)
Israel have better security and military. ISIS could not infiltrate to carry out the terrorist attacks they carry out in Europe.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/ISIS-leader-Baghdadi-to-Israel-We-havent-forgotten-about-you-438483
http://www.ibtimes.com/islamic-state-group-gaza-isis-affiliate-gains-foothold-palestine-amid-attacks-israel-2217858
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3149047/ISIS-carries-rocket-attacks-Israel-Two-Grad-missiles-fired-Egypt-s-Sinai-Peninsula-just-days-jihadis-killed-50-Egyptian-soldiers-brutal-dawn-raids.html
Quote from: No wides on March 24, 2016, 08:51:44 AM
Love some of these tweets!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/7022509/Fury-as-man-challenges-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html)
Darwin Award candidate.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
MR Belgium was probably the worst of the European colonists in Africa. They behaved despicably. I am not saying that had anything to do with to the recent attacks, just a point of information.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Strange how ISIS never attack Israel or anything Israeli.........
If I were a cynic I might think they were getting funding from that rogue State. Ah but sure that would never happen ::)
they might be wary of the Israeli airforce. Or just biding their time.
Loads of shifting alliances eg US with Syrian Kurds who are opposed to Turkey the NATO member
The Kurds and the Palestinians are the 2 groups who would benefit from a new status quo
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on March 24, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
I think you've an extremely naive perspective on this MR
The untold atrocities carried out by outside powers in that whole region as they protect their oil and political interests (for several generations) has created the resource (people with a reason to hate) that ensures these type of hate filled reprisals will happen on our door step.
Our media protects us from the long/medium geo political strategy of the west but instead finds excuses/reasons why anything they do in the area is only done for the good of the good guys in whatever area they're inflicting mayhem.
All too easy to blindly ignore these realities and hang the blame solely on some sort of deranged ideology.
I'm well aware of it to be fair, having grown up watching families get involved with paramilitaries due to the impact of the troubles and how it affected them, its not difficult to see how the pillaging warmongering and bombings has affected and generated a situation that we have today.... Hate, religion and atrocities will continue this..... But what's being done to stop it or is it past that point?? Recriminations and blame for what's happening ain't going to solve it..... My point and I have already said I'm not into global politics or believe I have the answers, but I've yet to hear or see a post that will effectively calm the situation and get people round a table and talk
I would say
1, Get rid of the Saud family and end Wahhabi preaching
2 Marshall plan for jobs for young men in Arab countries
3 redraw borders of Syria .
4. support the education of women in Arab countries to reduce the birth rate
5. Give Palestinians a State. Put Israel back in its box
6 Do something about a Sunni Caliph to standardise Sunni teaching on Islam so nihilistic gobshites can't claim authority
7. Start a new economic system in the OECD that doesn't need arms sales in the ME
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Strange how ISIS never attack Israel or anything Israeli.........
If I were a cynic I might think they were getting funding from that rogue State. Ah but sure that would never happen ::)
that's cause the Israelis basically go into other countries and assassinate any perceived threat.
they are carrying out secret killings and bombings every week
Quote from: muppet on March 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
MR Belgium was probably the worst of the European colonists in Africa. They behaved despicably. I am not saying that had anything to do with to the recent attacks, just a point of information.
Id already brought up the Congo in an earlier post Muppet.... Not too many countries without atrocities to speak of id say.... Luxembourg??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
MR Belgium was probably the worst of the European colonists in Africa. They behaved despicably. I am not saying that had anything to do with to the recent attacks, just a point of information.
Id already brought up the Congo in an earlier post Muppet.... Not too many countries without atrocities to speak of id say.... Luxembourg??
Denmark, Norway , Iceland, Malta...
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
MR Belgium was probably the worst of the European colonists in Africa. They behaved despicably. I am not saying that had anything to do with to the recent attacks, just a point of information.
Id already brought up the Congo in an earlier post Muppet.... Not too many countries without atrocities to speak of id say.... Luxembourg??
Denmark, Norway , Iceland, Malta...
Look what the Vikings and their Norseman decendents did to us!!!
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 09:49:19 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on March 24, 2016, 09:38:27 AM
I think you've an extremely naive perspective on this MR
The untold atrocities carried out by outside powers in that whole region as they protect their oil and political interests (for several generations) has created the resource (people with a reason to hate) that ensures these type of hate filled reprisals will happen on our door step.
Our media protects us from the long/medium geo political strategy of the west but instead finds excuses/reasons why anything they do in the area is only done for the good of the good guys in whatever area they're inflicting mayhem.
All too easy to blindly ignore these realities and hang the blame solely on some sort of deranged ideology.
I'm well aware of it to be fair, having grown up watching families get involved with paramilitaries due to the impact of the troubles and how it affected them, its not difficult to see how the pillaging warmongering and bombings has affected and generated a situation that we have today.... Hate, religion and atrocities will continue this..... But what's being done to stop it or is it past that point?? Recriminations and blame for what's happening ain't going to solve it..... My point and I have already said I'm not into global politics or believe I have the answers, but I've yet to hear or see a post that will effectively calm the situation and get people round a table and talk
I would say
1, Get rid of the Saud family and end Wahhabi preaching
2 Marshall plan for jobs for young men in Arab countries
3 redraw borders of Syria .
4. support the education of women in Arab countries to reduce the birth rate
5. Give Palestinians a State. Put Israel back in its box
6 Do something about a Sunni Caliph to standardise Sunni teaching on Islam so nihilistic gobshites can't claim authority
7. Start a new economic system in the OECD that doesn't need arms sales in the ME
Good post. First time I have seen anyone attempt to offer solutions.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: muppet on March 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2016, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 24, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Why Belgium? Is it because of the HQ of the EU being there or is there another reason?
Molenbeek is jihadi central
They arrested the French bomber?? Belgium isn't your normal Western country, they (from my time there and having friends that live outside Brussels) are not pro capitalism or buy into the American way of life, they don't have an army worth talking about or are involved in any major conflicts.... Strange one. Molenbeek will have made life tough for themselves after this and be some pressure for intelligence (USA British and the rest) gathering and arrests!! And so the cycle continues
MR Belgium was probably the worst of the European colonists in Africa. They behaved despicably. I am not saying that had anything to do with to the recent attacks, just a point of information.
Id already brought up the Congo in an earlier post Muppet.... Not too many countries without atrocities to speak of id say.... Luxembourg??
Sorry missed that.