With an annual bill of £1bn.No wonder relativlely few want a united Ireland North or South!
What's DLA?
Have we an equivalent and how much do we pay?
PIP should knock that number down
But yeah it's a joke
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
But they are capable of driving themselves around.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 07:46:03 PM
With an annual bill of £1bn.No wonder relativlely few want a united Ireland North or South!
DLA...a fundamental part of the Northern Irish identity.
U can spot them a mile away. Usually a bit overweight and driving a brand new jeep or people carrier.
What's PIP?
Aye, because all 210,000 have nothing medically wrong with them ::)
Personal Independence Payment. Stricter guidelines
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
It's low for a couple of reasons. The people that investigate fraud are almost exclusively reliant on people "touting", they are massively under resourced. DLA for example, if someone has filled in the form correctly they will be awarded DLA. Now we all know that we don't have 210,000 "disabled" people here.
Getting the kids on DLA is hitting pay dirt (ADHD is a favourite), if you are on a benefit such as Income Support, you will get a monthly sum for the child from DLA plus your Income Support will increase with various premiums, as will your tax credits.
Another puzzling onus people on Job Seekers that get DLA, i.e. supposed to be actively seeking work but "disabled" at the same time
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 09:24:26 PM
Personal Independence Payment. Stricter guidelines
In the same way that some people will find a way to get on it, the govt will find a way to get people off it.
There's always money for wars though.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2016, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
It's low for a couple of reasons. The people that investigate fraud are almost exclusively reliant on people "touting", they are massively under resourced. DLA for example, if someone has filled in the form correctly they will be awarded DLA. Now we all know that we don't have 210,000 "disabled" people here.
Getting the kids on DLA is hitting pay dirt (ADHD is a favourite), if you are on a benefit such as Income Support, you will get a monthly sum for the child from DLA plus your Income Support will increase with various premiums, as will your tax credits.
Another puzzling onus people on Job Seekers that get DLA, i.e. supposed to be actively seeking work but "disabled" at the same time
There's no doubt that there are plenty of 'blaggers' getting DLA unwarranted but trust me as someone who has worked directly with them there are fewer chancers came through my door than real genuine cases. When you do home visits you see the poverty that they live in and the poverty trap that they are caught in.
As regards those on JSA, the majority of those on DLA will be on ESA, which replaced Incapacity Benefits. They are not living high lives you know. While some have the DLA cars that has reduced dramatically in recent years. It is very hard to get the full mobility which allows you to get a car.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2016, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
It's low for a couple of reasons. The people that investigate fraud are almost exclusively reliant on people "touting", they are massively under resourced. DLA for example, if someone has filled in the form correctly they will be awarded DLA. Now we all know that we don't have 210,000 "disabled" people here.
Getting the kids on DLA is hitting pay dirt (ADHD is a favourite), if you are on a benefit such as Income Support, you will get a monthly sum for the child from DLA plus your Income Support will increase with various premiums, as will your tax credits.
Another puzzling onus people on Job Seekers that get DLA, i.e. supposed to be actively seeking work but "disabled" at the same time
There's no doubt that there are plenty of 'blaggers' getting DLA unwarranted but trust me as someone who has worked directly with them there are fewer chancers came through my door than real genuine cases. When you do home visits you see the poverty that they live in and the poverty trap that they are caught in.
As regards those on JSA, the majority of those on DLA will be on ESA, which replaced Incapacity Benefits. They are not living high lives you know. While some have the DLA cars that has reduced dramatically in recent years. It is very hard to get the full mobility which allows you to get a car.
If you are on DLA and on say ESA for example (with the associated premiums), I can't see how that is "poverty". With Housing Benefit paying your rent. Or ESA/Income support paying the interest on your mortgage (indefinitely I think)
I would like to see figures for how many people on DLA have never been in employment. I would say it's a fairly high number. Stress - related illnesses and "a sore back" ie nothing with a physical manifestation and easily faked would be favourites.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2016, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
It's low for a couple of reasons. The people that investigate fraud are almost exclusively reliant on people "touting", they are massively under resourced. DLA for example, if someone has filled in the form correctly they will be awarded DLA. Now we all know that we don't have 210,000 "disabled" people here.
Getting the kids on DLA is hitting pay dirt (ADHD is a favourite), if you are on a benefit such as Income Support, you will get a monthly sum for the child from DLA plus your Income Support will increase with various premiums, as will your tax credits.
Another puzzling onus people on Job Seekers that get DLA, i.e. supposed to be actively seeking work but "disabled" at the same time
There's no doubt that there are plenty of 'blaggers' getting DLA unwarranted but trust me as someone who has worked directly with them there are fewer chancers came through my door than real genuine cases. When you do home visits you see the poverty that they live in and the poverty trap that they are caught in.
As regards those on JSA, the majority of those on DLA will be on ESA, which replaced Incapacity Benefits. They are not living high lives you know. While some have the DLA cars that has reduced dramatically in recent years. It is very hard to get the full mobility which allows you to get a car.
If you are on DLA and on say ESA for example (with the associated premiums), I can't see how that is "poverty". With Housing Benefit paying your rent. Or ESA/Income support paying the interest on your mortgage (indefinitely I think)
Exactly. On the pigs back. I have heard of families with parents on the bru/DLA and a few wains on special needs statements for ADHD, pulling down serious money with practically every bill paid for. They're not going to be looking for work when mugs like me are out working and paying their way.
Says more about the system...
The majority of DLA claims also include a GP report.
Will be assessed different under PIP
I know I am getting old when for the first time ever I heard the phrase" dole drop" .
I blame my mother for making me go to school as a teenager
This is the breakdown for 2015 November
https://www.dsdni.gov.uk/publications/benefits-statistics-summary-publication-national-statistic-november-2015 (https://www.dsdni.gov.uk/publications/benefits-statistics-summary-publication-national-statistic-november-2015)
Those under 18 and over 60 account for 115,200 but headlines are always better than facts.
I wonder are there figures available for those in receipt of DLA that are in employment ?
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population claim to have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
Disability can come in may shapes and forms and I think it's dangerous to doubt all of the claimants.
But it'd be useful to compare it to other jurisdictions in % terms. What's the equivalent in ROI, Scotland, Wales etc?
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on February 25, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
The majority of DLA claims also include a GP report.
Will be assessed different under PIP
I once spoke to a GP operating in a greater Belfast area about this and they hold me that if someone comes in with their form to be signed, and accompanied by a report, they just fill it in as they have to live and work in that same community and refusing it would cause all sorts of other hassle. Plus they'd just go to another Doctor who'd sign it anyway.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 25, 2016, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 25, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
A lot broader remit that that Tony. There are many things covered and different levels. The level of fraud across benefits is very low, around 2.5% of all benefits claimed. While there is a benefit culture in NI unless you have worked in that environment then you have no idea what it is like.
PIP will curtail a lot of it for now but it will simply readjust.
It's low for a couple of reasons. The people that investigate fraud are almost exclusively reliant on people "touting", they are massively under resourced. DLA for example, if someone has filled in the form correctly they will be awarded DLA. Now we all know that we don't have 210,000 "disabled" people here.
Getting the kids on DLA is hitting pay dirt (ADHD is a favourite), if you are on a benefit such as Income Support, you will get a monthly sum for the child from DLA plus your Income Support will increase with various premiums, as will your tax credits.
Another puzzling onus people on Job Seekers that get DLA, i.e. supposed to be actively seeking work but "disabled" at the same time
There's no doubt that there are plenty of 'blaggers' getting DLA unwarranted but trust me as someone who has worked directly with them there are fewer chancers came through my door than real genuine cases. When you do home visits you see the poverty that they live in and the poverty trap that they are caught in.
As regards those on JSA, the majority of those on DLA will be on ESA, which replaced Incapacity Benefits. They are not living high lives you know. While some have the DLA cars that has reduced dramatically in recent years. It is very hard to get the full mobility which allows you to get a car.
So basically what you're saying is Tony has started another stupid thread?
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
I doubt that other regions of the UK are any different, its a cultural thing and as prevalent in a run down estate in Dursley as it would be in an estate in Ballymena.
I know loads of people who are claiming DLA or other benefits and to be honest not many of them should be getting what they do. What was the purpose of DLA in the first place? I would imagine that for example it should be to help those who genuinely need it - i.e. if someone does not have the use of their legs, DLA is there to help them with transport or whatever other needs around the house etc that they require. But giving DLA or other benefits out to our hundreds of supposed Fibromyalgia suffers or to all our obese and alcoholic people should not be happening. I remember seeing a show where there was a mother and son in one house, and both were fond of the drink. They got a serious amount of benefits, including him getting carers allowance for her and vice versa, how the hell does that work out?
Maybe NI being neglected by mother Britain is the cause of such high numbers of poor mental health. I'm sure there'd be a correlation between similar neglected areas in northern England and parts of Wales
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I doubt that other regions of the UK are any different, its a cultural thing and as prevalent in a run down estate in Dursley as it would be in an estate in Ballymena.
I know loads of people who are claiming DLA or other benefits and to be honest not many of them should be getting what they do. What was the purpose of DLA in the first place? I would imagine that for example it should be to help those who genuinely need it - i.e. if someone does not have the use of their legs, DLA is there to help them with transport or whatever other needs around the house etc that they require. But giving DLA or other benefits out to our hundreds of supposed Fibromyalgia suffers or to all our obese and alcoholic people should not be happening. I remember seeing a show where there was a mother and son in one house, and both were fond of the drink. They got a serious amount of benefits, including him getting carers allowance for her and vice versa, how the hell does that work out?
Surely it would better off to make them walk ;) In fairness I know 2 people who got cars for being obese; it just means they can go to the chipper more often.
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Quote from: johnneycool on February 26, 2016, 09:20:51 AM
Quote from: Two Hands FFS on February 25, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
The majority of DLA claims also include a GP report.
Will be assessed different under PIP
I once spoke to a GP operating in a greater Belfast area about this and they hold me that if someone comes in with their form to be signed, and accompanied by a report, they just fill it in as they have to live and work in that same community and refusing it would cause all sorts of other hassle. Plus they'd just go to another Doctor who'd sign it anyway.
Plus the money is a wee bonus for the GP
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
How do you know that it's not? Unless you're basing it on age profile then you can't say that for definite. I have done a fair bit of work in the 'victims industry' as you put it and trust me you do not want to be where a lot of these people are. I would include mad old Wullie in that as whatever his politics are the lad has serious mental health issues and much of it is related to the lose of family members during the troubles and the impact of the troubles. Some people deal with things differently. I do accept there are dodgy enough clients but I can honestly say that the majority of ones I have dealt with over the years are genuine and are suffering, in different ways.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Disabled spaces are for people with disabilities. It's not limited to those disabilities that you can see or that you deem as worthy. For example, how about someone with CF who get's very short of breath if they have to walk any distance?
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Disabled spaces are for people with disabilities. It's not limited to those disabilities that you can see or that you deem as worthy. For example, how about someone with CF who get's very short of breath if they have to walk any distance?
Dear me. The example posted is a mobility issue ::).
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Disabled spaces are for people with disabilities. It's not limited to those disabilities that you can see or that you deem as worthy. For example, how about someone with CF who get's very short of breath if they have to walk any distance?
Exactly. A lot of the time invisible disabilities are forgotten about, but very bit as real.
Lot of people posting on here with 'man on the street' ideas of disability. Unless you've worked directly with people or know them personally you should not judge whether or not they are disabled. Disabled spaces are for those people who have disabled badges. I dare you tony if you're so adamant about it to challenge these people who you believe don't deserve to park there. Challenge them and see what's wrong with them or not wrong with them as you seem to believe.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 26, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Lot of people posting on here with 'man on the street' ideas of disability. Unless you've worked directly with people or know them personally you should not judge whether or not they are disabled. Disabled spaces are for those people who have disabled badges. I dare you tony if you're so adamant about it to challenge these people who you believe don't deserve to park there. Challenge them and see what's wrong with them or not wrong with them as you seem to believe.
Try reading the posts as it will save both you and I time in the long run. At no point did I say people with blue badges weren't permitted to park in a disabled space. Anyone with a blue badge has a mobility issue. You don't get a badge for being depressed, an alkie or any of these other disabilities being disused earlier.
As for challenging people parking in disabled spaces. I do it regularly with wankers that have no badge.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 26, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Lot of people posting on here with 'man on the street' ideas of disability. Unless you've worked directly with people or know them personally you should not judge whether or not they are disabled. Disabled spaces are for those people who have disabled badges. I dare you tony if you're so adamant about it to challenge these people who you believe don't deserve to park there. Challenge them and see what's wrong with them or not wrong with them as you seem to believe.
Try reading the posts as it will save both you and I time in the long run. At no point did I say people with blue badges weren't permitted to park in a disabled space. Anyone with a blue badge has a mobility issue. You don't get a badge for being depressed, an alkie or any of these other disabilities being disused earlier.
As for challenging people parking in disabled spaces. I do it regularly with w**kers that have no badge.
If they've no blue badges then your right to challenge them. You don't get blue badges easily.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 26, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 26, 2016, 05:02:04 PM
Lot of people posting on here with 'man on the street' ideas of disability. Unless you've worked directly with people or know them personally you should not judge whether or not they are disabled. Disabled spaces are for those people who have disabled badges. I dare you tony if you're so adamant about it to challenge these people who you believe don't deserve to park there. Challenge them and see what's wrong with them or not wrong with them as you seem to believe.
Try reading the posts as it will save both you and I time in the long run. At no point did I say people with blue badges weren't permitted to park in a disabled space. Anyone with a blue badge has a mobility issue. You don't get a badge for being depressed, an alkie or any of these other disabilities being disused earlier.
As for challenging people parking in disabled spaces. I do it regularly with w**kers that have no badge.
If they've no blue badges then your right to challenge them. You don't get blue badges easily.
We have a blue badge for our wee lad but tend not to park in the spaces as he gets fired into a pram or trolley so it means we don't take up space for people who genuinely need it. I'll tend to get a bit hot under the collar when some other tr**p with no badge parks in it. It'll no doubt backfire some day and I'll get a clash ;D
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: StephenC on February 26, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 01:26:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Disabled spaces are for people with disabilities. It's not limited to those disabilities that you can see or that you deem as worthy. For example, how about someone with CF who get's very short of breath if they have to walk any distance?
Dear me. The example posted is a mobility issue ::).
Certain conditions which can affect mobility aren't considered under criteria for blue badge scheme. Can remember about a year ago on the radio someone with a severe case of her condition (arthritis?) but wasn't eligible for the blue badge scheme.
Quote from: general_lee on February 26, 2016, 05:32:34 PM
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Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 26, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
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Quote from: ziggysego on February 26, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2016, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: ziggysego on February 25, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Just so you know, 19.5% of the northern population have some kind of disability. That almost 1/5 of the population.
How many people were maimed during the war?
Is there a higher proportion of the population with long term mental health issues ?
The percentage is higher here in the north as a result of the Troubles. Both in terms of physical harm and mental health issues. Compared to the south for example, it's just over 11%. Not sure what is it for the different regions of the UK.
That is simply trotting out the same shite you hear from those in the victims industry in the North. No doubt there is a percentage due to that but when I go into Armagh on a Saturday the people I see hopping out of DLA cars parked in disabled spaces or pretend hobbling on sticks are not there as a result of the Troubles.
Doesn't mean they are not disabled. Many conditions can affect you in ways that are not obvious at first glance.
Disabled spaces are for people with serious mobility problems. Do you think someone who is depressed gets a blue badge for a disabled parking space ???
Disabled spaces are for people with disabilities. It's not limited to those disabilities that you can see or that you deem as worthy. For example, how about someone with CF who get's very short of breath if they have to walk any distance?
Dear me. The example posted is a mobility issue ::).
Certain conditions which can affect mobility aren't considered under criteria for blue badge scheme. Can remember about a year ago on the radio someone with a severe case of her condition (arthritis?) but wasn't eligible for the blue badge scheme.
I'd agree with that ruling, you start throwing out badges for that and it snowballs into this dla shite and next thing you know, 1/4 of the north are parking in disabled spaces
I have previous for parking in disabled spaces at Craigavon Tesco purely because there is no way that 50% of a car park is required for disabled people - 50% of this country is not disabled
Quote from: thebigfella on February 25, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
But they are capable of driving themselves around.
Yes indeed.
I get DLA. Can't walk too well after surgeon cut bits of me last March.
Though after a year I got a car and can still drive ok.
Not all on it are chancers.
Quote from: amanda on February 28, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
Quote from: thebigfella on February 25, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
But they are capable of driving themselves around.
Yes indeed.
I get DLA. Can't walk too well after surgeon cut bits of me last March.
Though after a year I got a car and can still drive ok.
Not all on it are chancers.
Amanda the highlighted quote sums up the ignorance of the criticizers here as does the title of the thread, no facts no statistics, just a perception that those on benefits are sucking the system dry. To imply that if you can't walk you can't drive from a supposedly self made dragon is laughable beyond belief!
Aye there are some judgemental arseholes on this thread alright.
Quote from: thebigfella on February 25, 2016, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on February 25, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Disability Living Allowance allegedly for people who can't walk or move around.
But they are capable of driving themselves around.
Or be driven around by their full time carer. ::)
Here's hoping you spend the rest of your life fit and healthy and never succumb to any condition that might affect your mobility.
Does the south have a DLA equivalent??
Surprised that a man who manages a credit union would start this thread. I'm sure many vulnerable people who are his customers are paying off loans with their DLA
Quote from: general_lee on February 28, 2016, 12:29:21 PM
Aye there are some judgemental arseholes on this thread alright.
None bigger than below.
Quote from: thebigfella on February 26, 2016, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on February 26, 2016, 11:27:40 AM
I doubt that other regions of the UK are any different, its a cultural thing and as prevalent in a run down estate in Dursley as it would be in an estate in Ballymena.
I know loads of people who are claiming DLA or other benefits and to be honest not many of them should be getting what they do. What was the purpose of DLA in the first place? I would imagine that for example it should be to help those who genuinely need it - i.e. if someone does not have the use of their legs, DLA is there to help them with transport or whatever other needs around the house etc that they require. But giving DLA or other benefits out to our hundreds of supposed Fibromyalgia suffers or to all our obese and alcoholic people should not be happening. I remember seeing a show where there was a mother and son in one house, and both were fond of the drink. They got a serious amount of benefits, including him getting carers allowance for her and vice versa, how the hell does that work out?
Surely it would better off to make them walk ;) In fairness I know 2 people who got cars for being obese; it just means they can go to the chipper more often.