There'll be no sex in the north of Ireland, thank you very much.
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QuoteThe House of Lords has backed Belfast City Council's decision not to grant a licence to a sex shop
But hang on, don't all OWC read the Sun and the Star? Isn't Ballymena the Irish capital for wife swapping? What gives?
Quote from: Orior on April 25, 2007, 12:25:34 PM
But hang on, don't all OWC read the Sun and the Star?
Jaysus the boys wont like that Orior :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
Here they come ......................
or not as the case may be
Its just rite. Were is it anyway?
There's a chain of that shop in newry too. no morals in newry!
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
Why do you say that the Belfast council's reason for refusal to grant a licence for a sex shop in that location is pathetic?
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
I love how the argued that an Ann Summers shop would "bring down the tone" of O'Connell Street.
:D :D :D
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
Why do you say that the Belfast council's reason for refusal to grant a licence for a sex shop in that location is pathetic?
Its a waste of money and they weren't and aren't selling anything illegal.
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on April 25, 2007, 12:50:47 PM
Its just rite. Were is it anyway?
I could tell you but you are too young squire.
What a complete waste of money. If people dont like the shop - dont go into it.
Same as if someone doesnt like drink dont go into a pub.
With so many parts of N Ireland crying out for investment, and with the bill for this likely to run into 6 figures its a disgrace
Quote from: full back on April 25, 2007, 01:21:03 PM
What a complete waste of money. If people dont like the shop - dont go into it.
Same as if someone doesnt like drink dont go into a pub.
With so many parts of N Ireland crying out for investment, and with the bill for this likely to run into 6 figures its a disgrace
Correct on all points. Friggin nonsense to spend public money chasing somebody that isn't doing anything illegal.
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Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
What are the similarities?? One is in a back street, the other is in the main thoroughfare of a city - I'd have thought there was quite a difference, the only proviso being that O'Connell St already was/is a shithole long before Ann Summers came in. I don't think it should be there, but then I don't think most of the businesses on O'Connell St are in keeping with the status it should have.
Have to disagree Bogball
What is the difference with having a sex shop on the street in comparison to other establishments.
Granted, some people may be outraged at it, but if all pioneers/reformed drinkers that didnt like alcohol were up in arms about a pub do you think the pub would be closed down?
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 02:28:03 PM
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?
What about bookie zones or pub zones or church zones or school zones (keep all the kids in one place and stop them annoying the adults)?
Why should somebody who is selling completely legal material, whether that is porn mags or clothes pegs be stopped from doing it by the council.
I actually agree with SammyG
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Quote from: SammyG on April 25, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 02:28:03 PM
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?
What about bookie zones or pub zones or church zones or school zones (keep all the kids in one place and stop them annoying the adults)?
Why should somebody who is selling completely legal material, whether that is porn mags or clothes pegs be stopped from doing it by the council.
I asked the questions first Sammy.
But to keep on with the great tradition of answering questions with more questions
Why shouldn't a city have zones, residential only zones, mixed residential and office, mixed residential and shopping, etc etc?
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: SammyG on April 25, 2007, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on April 25, 2007, 02:28:03 PM
Soft porn was freely available in the North years before the likes of the luke warm Playboy hit the streets in the South. Sex shops exist elsewhere in Belfast.
It is illegal to set up a sex shop without a licence.
Why shouldn't the council support the wishes of local residents who didn't want to have a proliferation of sex shops (6 in all) who wanted to set up there. Whats wrong with Sex (zones) in the city ?
What about bookie zones or pub zones or church zones or school zones (keep all the kids in one place and stop them annoying the adults)?
Why should somebody who is selling completely legal material, whether that is porn mags or clothes pegs be stopped from doing it by the council.
I asked the questions first Sammy.
But to keep on with the great tradition of answering questions with more questions
Why shouldn't a city have zones, residential only zones, mixed residential and office, mixed residential and shopping, etc etc?
No problem with that, but that's not what you said. You said sex shops should be zoned off in their own zone. I don't understand why a sex shop is any different to any other retail enterprise. If you have already have a retail zone why would you also need a specific sex zone?
Quote from: SammyG on April 25, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
No problem with that, but that's not what you said. You said sex shops should be zoned off in their own zone. I don't understand why a sex shop is any different to any other retail enterprise. If you have already have a retail zone why would you also need a specific sex zone?
;D
That's a good one, maybe unintentional.
I haven't a clue about the area at all. I assume there are residents involved and they have their reasons.
Could be they are very suspicious of sex shops. Maybee they are just fearfull that undesirables be attracted to come into their area. Maybe they have good reasons, I don't know. It would be good to know.
6 sounds a bit excesssive to me to be located in one small area.
I suppose I'm in favour of strictly controlled good city planning. That such shops be in designated retail areas.
I think if you look at the reasoning behind the appeal, and also at the commentary by the various Law Lords, you will see that the point of law that was being questioned was whether or not it was a breach of human rights that the licence was not granted. The issue around human rights is such that on balance of probabilities one person/group of persons human rights can have an over-riding effect over anothers. The Council did not want a licencing applications based on infringement of human rights as it would open a myriad of situations whereby people would make claims for a licnece to be granted.
The Lords decided that the Miss behavin could not rely on that ground as it would interfere on the human rights of too many others due to its proximity to mainstreet retail areas, shopping areas, schools and business areas.
I do not think that there should be a zoning of sex shops but I do think that because of the nature of their stock, there has to be careful consideration as to the location.
Sammy, you are very defensive about the decision, have you a vested interest? ;)
just noticed that Ann Summers has closed down on O'Connell street, and Stringfellow didnt last long either, maybe we not sophisticated after all
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 25, 2007, 03:33:18 PMSammy, you are very defensive about the decision, have you a vested interest? ;)
The amount of years that I've been married, typing the phrase sex zone, is as close as I get these days. ;)
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2007, 03:37:40 PM
just noticed that Ann Summers has closed down on O'Connell street, and Stringfellow didnt last long either, maybe we not sophisticated after all
I'd have thought this indicated quite the opposite.
well that was Peter Stringfellows parting shot at the 'Irish' cos we wouldnt go to his whorehouse and he had to close down. w**ker
There's sex shops littered all over the main shopping area in Toronto.
In fact one directly opposite the largest shopping mall downtown.
And they are far from grubby little dark places
Not that I've been in them of course.
;) ;) ;) ;)
Hurl, were you in with one of your "women" friends ;D?
:D :D :D
The Canadians are obsessed with lapdancing (generalisation du jour - but not far off in my experience). Over here a gang of lads on the tear go in for that but you can't go anywhere with even one Canadian but the only thing they want to do is find a place where you can watch women taking their clothes off. I often wonder how they manage to reproduce themselves, because sex seems to be a spectator sport over there.
....one of the most civilised cities in the world....further to Hardy and Gabriel's posts above re lapdancing and sex shops....everything is out in the open and isnt seedy at all like elsewhere...so I hear :P :P
p.s. thon Zanzibar on Younge St is some spot!!!
Quote from: Hardy on April 25, 2007, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2007, 03:37:40 PM
just noticed that Ann Summers has closed down on O'Connell street, and Stringfellow didnt last long either, maybe we not sophisticated after all
I'd have thought this indicated quite the opposite.
Maybe not sophisticated, liberal and tolerant would be a start. Maybe the DUP, Free Ps and part of the OO would be at home on OConnell Street with their ideas (though obviously they wouldn't be able to parade, natch, or else all hell would break loose).
Quote from: full back on April 25, 2007, 01:59:30 PM
What is the difference with having a sex shop on the street in comparison to other establishments.
Granted, some people may be outraged at it, but if all pioneers/reformed drinkers that didnt like alcohol were up in arms about a pub do you think the pub would be closed down?
OK, then, let's please the Prudes
and the Pioneers by combining Sex Shops with Pubs, with the joint establishments limited to one licensed licensed area.* (A dog-track and a few all-night Kebab shops wouldn't go astray, either)
It would suit me fine not to have to listen to assorted God-Botherers, Mary Whitehouses and noisy, irritating bloody kids while I'm enjoying a quiet (ahem) pint. :D
* - We could call it "Our Wee Zone"! ;)
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Maybe the DUP, Free Ps and part of the OO would be at home on OConnell Street with their ideas (though obviously they wouldn't be able to parade, natch, or else all hell would break loose).
I wonder was anyone looting Ann Summers during the riots?
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 25, 2007, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2007, 03:37:40 PM
just noticed that Ann Summers has closed down on O'Connell street, and Stringfellow didnt last long either, maybe we not sophisticated after all
I'd have thought this indicated quite the opposite.
Maybe not sophisticated, liberal and tolerant would be a start. Maybe the DUP, Free Ps and part of the OO would be at home on OConnell Street with their ideas (though obviously they wouldn't be able to parade, natch, or else all hell would break loose).
Liberal and tolerant is a start but O'Connell Street is the premium street in Dublin (supposedly) and should not be marred by any of the following:
Sex shops
Fast Food joints
Amusement Arcades
Internet Cafes/Internation Phone Card shops
I had the misfortune to walk the thing last Monday and Yeats was right about the place all those years ago. No amount of Spires, Larkins or O'Connells will change it.
Shame!
/Jim.
Ann Summers was a lot more classy than Dr Quirkeys!
Quote from: Bogball XV on April 25, 2007, 01:54:35 PM
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
What are the similarities?? One is in a back street, the other is in the main thoroughfare of a city - I'd have thought there was quite a difference, the only proviso being that O'Connell St already was/is a shithole long before Ann Summers came in. I don't think it should be there, but then I don't think most of the businesses on O'Connell St are in keeping with the status it should have.
Anne Summers shops signage and outwards appearance is on the same standards as River Island, Elverys, Next, Pennys\Primark so I see no problem with them being on O'Connell St. Better than all those fastfood outlets and €2/discount shops.
Anne Summers = healthy imo
Fast Food = unhealthy imo
I take it none of you have had the pleasure of the reeper bahn in hamburg. Half a mile of sex shops etc up both sides of a street that makes oconnell street look like a bog cul de sac. Sex is a huge industry. My mate does catalog deliveries he knows whats in those plain wrappers. The biggest sex shop is @ your fingertips. As usual we are about twenty years behind..
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 12:39:48 PM
No more and no less pathetic than the moral outrage over Ann Summers coming to OConnell Street. Whats sauce for the goose.....
Where the fcuk have you been you paranoid bastid???
Quote from: GweylTah on April 25, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 25, 2007, 03:58:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2007, 03:37:40 PM
just noticed that Ann Summers has closed down on O'Connell street, and Stringfellow didnt last long either, maybe we not sophisticated after all
I'd have thought this indicated quite the opposite.
Maybe not sophisticated, liberal and tolerant would be a start. Maybe the DUP, Free Ps and part of the OO would be at home on OConnell Street with their ideas (though obviously they wouldn't be able to parade, natch, or else all hell would break loose).
WTF, why would they want to parade down O'Connell Street with their idea's, their idea's are fcuked, inane and unwanted!
There's a shop in San Francisco called Good Vibrations. It's a business that was started by women for women to encourage sex-positive thinking and to sell products that help people to enjoy sex in a positive light. A lot of their toys are designed by women. The stores are bright, clean, and modern with decor in the style of an Apple Store. From the outside it's discreet but not dingy and intimidating. One of the key ingredients of their stores is that they're located in "normal" areas of the city, not the run-down shitholes and shooting galleries where the hookers hang out.
As long as sex shops are banished to "seedy" areas then sex is going to continue to be seen as some sort of sinister evil force that has to be resisted at all costs, rather than the perfectly natural and enjoyable experience it is.
Stew having a rant at a couple of six year old posts. You on the Special Brew, kid? Bit early over there, no?
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