See Jarlath Burns was one of the first visitors yesterday,pictured with Senior Orange Order officials.Each to their own but is this not a shrine to sectarianism and an attempt by Orange Order to sanitise the many unsavoury aspects of its "culture"
Quote from: T Fearon on June 30, 2015, 09:29:22 PM
See Jarlath Burns was one of the first visitors yesterday,pictured with Senior Orange Order officials.Each to their own but is this not a shrine to sectarianism and an attempt by Orange Order to sanitise the many unsavoury aspects of its "culture"
Jarlath seems to have been working up his profile over the last year or so. Must be preparing the ground for either a career in politics or more likely a tilt for Croke Park in the future.
No harm to anyone,if that's what Jarlath wants to do,and Mary Mc Aleese,but Orange Order has a lot of changes to make before gaining cross community respect
Quote from: T Fearon on June 30, 2015, 09:52:26 PM
No harm to anyone,if that's what Jarlath wants to do,and Mary Mc Aleese,but Orange Order has a lot of changes to make before gaining cross community respect
The OO is an anti-catholic organisation in every way. There's no chance in hell of it appealing to Catholics no matter what changes they make. Dressing it up as a cultural and religious organisation with an interesting history is just bollix.
My sentiments entirely.Unfortunately it has wangled a load of cash from the naive free state government and from Europe's coffers for this.Incidentally OO has stated that Sinn Feiners aren't welcome in these new museums? I thought European money was granted on the basis of new developments being accessible to all?
You should head down to it with your Celtic top on Tony, see what happens.
The SFers should make a point of visiting it with plenty of notice given to TV and see what happens when they turn up.
I'm surprised McGuinness didn't cut the ribbon on opening day
If I could get the time then I would be interested in having a visit, just to see how balanced they are at reporting history. Sometimes it can be a bit confusing who's who with croppies, ribbon men, defenders, volunteers, peep'o'day boys and so on and so forth.
Orange Order records can also be a useful source for ancestral research (not my own of course, but a fair number of other Armagh men on here, lol).
I hope Jarlath signed the visitors book in Irish. Tiocfaidh ár lá!
It's something I'd maybe visit in time as well. OO isn't my cup of tea but they still form a key part of Irish history. Elements of the organisation are still quite toxic especially in Belfast but they no longer hold as much sway as they have in days gone by. Also be interesting to see how blatant their propaganda is.
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 09:29:20 AMSometimes it can be a bit confusing who's who with croppies, ribbon men, defenders, volunteers, peep'o'day boys and so on and so forth.
And that's only the top half of the Tyrone teamsheet.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 30, 2015, 09:29:22 PM
See Jarlath Burns was one of the first visitors yesterday,pictured with Senior Orange Order officials.Each to their own but is this not a shrine to sectarianism and an attempt by Orange Order to sanitise the many unsavoury aspects of its "culture"
Surely the blame lies solely with Jarlath's parents?
Is this the same place as they put Georgie Bests "collarette" on display last week? Or have they two shiny new museums??
From wikipedia:
QuoteThe winter of 1795–6, immediately following the formation of the Orange Order, saw Protestants drive around 7,000 Catholics out of County Armagh. In a sign that tension over the linen trade was still a burning issue, 'Wreckers' continued the Peep o' Day Boys strategy of smashing looms and tearing webs in Catholic homes to eliminate competition. This resulted in a reduction in the hotly competitive linen trade which had been in a brief slump. A consequence of this scattering of highly-political Catholics however was a spread of Defenderism throughout Ireland.
So there you have it. The Orange Order are responsible for Armagh's lack of All-Ireland football titles. And our leaky defence continues to this very day.
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 12:17:49 PM
From wikipedia:
QuoteThe winter of 1795–6, immediately following the formation of the Orange Order, saw Protestants drive around 7,000 Catholics out of County Armagh. In a sign that tension over the linen trade was still a burning issue, 'Wreckers' continued the Peep o' Day Boys strategy of smashing looms and tearing webs in Catholic homes to eliminate competition. This resulted in a reduction in the hotly competitive linen trade which had been in a brief slump. A consequence of this scattering of highly-political Catholics however was a spread of Defenderism throughout Ireland.
So there you have it. The Orange Order are responsible for Armagh's lack of All-Ireland football titles. And our leaky defence continues to this very day.
It's still one more title than a few counties.
Maybe I should go along for the craic. Colonel William Blacker was more than likely a distant relative, although there must've been a split in the camp somewhere as the William and Valentine Blackers in my family were Catholic farmers in Cusheney, near the Diamond!
I've always been amused by the surnames of some gaelic county footballers and their... ahem... dubious origins. Turn back to plantation times and county teams would be more than decimated.
No way would I visit.It is a propaganda exercise and I fail to see how OO accessed peace monies for these developments
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
I've always been amused by the surnames of some gaelic county footballers and their... ahem... dubious origins. Turn back to plantation times and county teams would be more than decimated.
Is this your contribution to the GAA's official policy of reaching out to "protestants"? We don't check people's genealogy before admitting them to membership.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2015, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
I've always been amused by the surnames of some gaelic county footballers and their... ahem... dubious origins. Turn back to plantation times and county teams would be more than decimated.
Is this your contribution to the GAA's official policy of reaching out to "protestants"? We don't check people's genealogy before admitting them to membership.
Protestants are OK, it is those Castle Catholics you get around Meath that might be investigated.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2015, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
I've always been amused by the surnames of some gaelic county footballers and their... ahem... dubious origins. Turn back to plantation times and county teams would be more than decimated.
Is this your contribution to the GAA's official policy of reaching out to "protestants"? We don't check people's genealogy before admitting them to membership.
Am I not allowed to be a historian, and be interested in the origin of surnames? I could have said the same thing about the Ireland rugby team, or the English soccer team.
That SF Mayor of Belfast has a mighty unGaelic name.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2015, 11:28:24 PM
That SF Mayor of Belfast has a mighty unGaelic name.
Exactly. And I'm fairly sure that Adams is a planter surname, which is interesting.
Hume, Attwood........... De Valera,Lemass,.......
Some of my favourite GAA names:
Achill Boothman
Joachim Kelly
Moses Coffey
Bosco McDermott
And a good nickname:
Aeroplane O'Shea
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 11:42:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 01, 2015, 11:28:24 PM
That SF Mayor of Belfast has a mighty unGaelic name.
Exactly. And I'm fairly sure that Adams is a planter surname, which is interesting.
Adams has remarked on his heritage on several occasions, his ancestor hailing from Suffolk or some such, although not a planter as I recall.
Quote from: topcuppla on July 01, 2015, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 30, 2015, 09:29:22 PM
See Jarlath Burns was one of the first visitors yesterday,pictured with Senior Orange Order officials.Each to their own but is this not a shrine to sectarianism and an attempt by Orange Order to sanitise the many unsavoury aspects of its "culture"
Surely the blame lies solely with Jarlath's parents?
From Nigel White
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What do you mean with that comment about Jarlath Burns' elderly parents who are well respected people in South Armagh? I've reported you to the moderators for putting it up.
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Dry your eyes benny maybe you should report things that count like people blaming parents on child abuse!
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2015, 09:38:57 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 01, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
I've always been amused by the surnames of some gaelic county footballers and their... ahem... dubious origins. Turn back to plantation times and county teams would be more than decimated.
Is this your contribution to the GAA's official policy of reaching out to "protestants"? We don't check people's genealogy before admitting them to membership.
Hardy is an English and a French surname of Old French origin. Hardy comes from Old French hardi meaning "bold, courageous" which comes from Old Frankish hardjan meaning "to make hard."Planter & Huguenot?? Ye'll be more than welcome in the North on the 11th.
Quote from: Hardy on July 02, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
Some of my favourite GAA names:
Achill Boothman
Joachim Kelly
Moses Coffey
Bosco McDermott
And a good nickname:
Aeroplane O'Shea
Always loved Joachim Kelly! Dingle Daly of Armagh fame is my favourite nickname.
On the OO. In my experience their are two different orders, the in your face croppy lie down bunch from Belfast and Portadown and the Rural lodges. If we are serious about reconciliation then we need to take stock of our attitude to what the OO means in a lot of rural areas.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2015, 03:11:31 PM
On the OO. In my experience their are two different orders, the in your face croppy lie down bunch from Belfast and Portadown and the Rural lodges. If we are serious about reconciliation then we need to take stock of our attitude to what the OO means in a lot of rural areas.
Absolutely no issue with rural OO. They are considerate, pragamatic and easy to work with.
Was there a fire ?
Quote from: orangeman on July 03, 2015, 09:25:02 AM
Was there a fire ?
Stay out of this thread orangeman. Nothing to do with you, lol.
Yes, there was a fire in an Orange Hall. Is there anything in this thread that could have invoked such as action?