Following on from the Leitrim 'overnight stay' saga and the huge disparity in the funding being provided and available to different counties, surely there is a case for the GAA providing a central fund of money that counties can use to pay for training and match day expenses. Use the National League gate receipts and tv deal money to cover the costs.
Provide a set amount to each county per match and training session.
At least then counties will be on a more even keel. Smaller counties will have the same official funding as the larger counties.
It will be clearly visible how much each county are applying for.
Counties will have to trim their panels to stay within the funding framework.
It will also be clearly visible how many official training sessions counties are having.
Counties will not have to worry about raising cash to cover these day to day county squad expenses.
Absolutely. Would NFL and TV money cover it though?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 27, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Following on from the Leitrim 'overnight stay' saga and the huge disparity in the funding being provided and available to different counties, surely there is a case for the GAA providing a central fund of money that counties can use to pay for training and match day expenses. Use the National League gate receipts and tv deal money to cover the costs.
Provide a set amount to each county per match and training session.
At least then counties will be on a more even keel. Smaller counties will have the same official funding as the larger counties.
It will be clearly visible how much each county are applying for.
Counties will have to trim their panels to stay within the funding framework.
It will also be clearly visible how many official training sessions counties are having.
Counties will not have to worry about raising cash to cover these day to day county squad expenses.
Completely agree but it won't happen. I've said for years that we should be happy to have the best amateur sporting organisation in the world and should stop trying to professionalise something that can't get there.
Good idea in theory but it'd have to be properly thought out.
Being devil's advocate, possible issues would include:
- Bigger counties getting "sponsored" this and that outside of the system
- Is money collected within a county e.g. Club Tyrone, factored in?
- If the panel size is limited (by spending), it's more difficult for larger counties e.g. Cork, to select their best panel due to the sheer volume of players who need to be trialled.
Something does need to be done to level the playing field though
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Completely agree but it won't happen. I've said for years that we should be happy to have the best amateur sporting organisation in the world and should stop trying to professionalise something that can't get there.
+1 Indy
Too many people seeing the GAA as the cash cow nowadays. The more people on the payrole, the more the organization is driven by money rather than focusing on whats good for the majority of the organisation
Well if we all agree it's a good idea perhaps rather than just accepting that nothing can change. If we make some sort of effort or campaign for this you would at least get the idea discussed.
Socialism works quite well in sports i find. We need standardised facilities and back room teams as well.
Quote from: theskull1 on December 27, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Completely agree but it won't happen. I've said for years that we should be happy to have the best amateur sporting organisation in the world and should stop trying to professionalise something that can't get there.
+1 Indy
Too many people seeing the GAA as the cash cow nowadays. The more people on the payrole, the more the organization is driven by money rather than focusing on whats good for the majority of the organisation
Where does the "professionalise" come into the suggestion?
Counties are already spending money on training, managers, back rooms, travel etc. Problem is some have so much more than others and not surprising one othe "haves" - Indy- is against it.
As for the "good of the organisaton" vs "money" - i would have thought that the more money we can get the better for the organisation.
Otherwise why are we charging admission to games etc?
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 27, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
Good idea in theory but it'd have to be properly thought out.
Being devil's advocate, possible issues would include:
- Bigger counties getting "sponsored" this and that outside of the system
- Is money collected within a county e.g. Club Tyrone, factored in?
- If the panel size is limited (by spending), it's more difficult for larger counties e.g. Cork, to select their best panel due to the sheer volume of players who need to be trialled.
Something does need to be done to level the playing field though
The "Club Tyrone" money perhaps could go to grassroots level.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 27, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Completely agree but it won't happen. I've said for years that we should be happy to have the best amateur sporting organisation in the world and should stop trying to professionalise something that can't get there.
+1 Indy
Too many people seeing the GAA as the cash cow nowadays. The more people on the payrole, the more the organization is driven by money rather than focusing on whats good for the majority of the organisation
Where does the "professionalise" come into the suggestion?
Counties are already spending money on training, managers, back rooms, travel etc. Problem is some have so much more than others and not surprising one othe "haves" - Indy- is against it.
As for the "good of the organisaton" vs "money" - i would have thought that the more money we can get the better for the organisation.
Otherwise why are we charging admission to games etc?
Its not Dublin's fault professionalising the game. This started in the late 90's and it wasn't us that started it.
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 27, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
Good idea in theory but it'd have to be properly thought out.
Being devil's advocate, possible issues would include:
- Bigger counties getting "sponsored" this and that outside of the system
- Is money collected within a county e.g. Club Tyrone, factored in?
- If the panel size is limited (by spending), it's more difficult for larger counties e.g. Cork, to select their best panel due to the sheer volume of players who need to be trialled.
Something does need to be done to level the playing field though
+1
It ain't gonna happen as you can't legislate for human nature.
Very few counties would stay within the rules if they felt they felt they would boost their team's potential by slipping in a few euro here and there. The trouble is that there are far too many ways to pad the expenses without having to go through the books if you really want to.
I agree with the idea but I can't see any effective way to enforce a cap on expenses.
Quote from: thejuice on December 27, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Well if we all agree it's a good idea perhaps rather than just accepting that nothing can change. If we make some sort of effort or campaign for this you would at least get the idea discussed.
Socialism works quite well in sports i find. We need standardised facilities and back room teams as well.
It did in East Germany.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 27, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on December 27, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Completely agree but it won't happen. I've said for years that we should be happy to have the best amateur sporting organisation in the world and should stop trying to professionalise something that can't get there.
+1 Indy
Too many people seeing the GAA as the cash cow nowadays. The more people on the payrole, the more the organization is driven by money rather than focusing on whats good for the majority of the organisation
Where does the "professionalise" come into the suggestion?
Counties are already spending money on training, managers, back rooms, travel etc. Problem is some have so much more than others and not surprising one othe "haves" - Indy- is against it.
As for the "good of the organisaton" vs "money" - i would have thought that the more money we can get the better for the organisation.
Otherwise why are we charging admission to games etc?
Because we are trying to professionalise a game that can't get there. HQ has never tackled the issue of inter county in its tenure. contrast that to NFL for example which has exactly the business model it is trying to promote.
Had HQ governed the inter county game properly from the start we wouldn't have the current schisms that we have. We have a malfunctioning structure and fixture list that doesn't work for any of the players, counties or clubs.
Does this mean we'll all share in the 100s of millions Sterling that the likes of Tyrone and Armagh shared (in the same period they won their AI titles) from the British Govt?
What about supporters groups? Is this included too?
Quote from: heffo on December 27, 2014, 11:16:36 PM
Does this mean we'll all share in the 100s of millions Sterling that the likes of Tyrone and Armagh shared (in the same period they won their AI titles) from the British Govt?
What about supporters groups? Is this included too?
This new socialist GAA will probably mean a wealth tax so I'd expect Kerry, Kilkenny and Dublin to get it in the neck.
Socialism works in American professional sports.
The weakest teams get to pick the best young players.
Centralised funding of county teams would ensure a fairer level of funding. Plus county boards would be able to budget much better and not worry about costs for an extended championship run.
Counties would be free to spend more if they wanted, but this would be totally up to them to fundraise. And the spending of that money would be audited
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Socialism works in American professional sports.
The weakest teams get to pick the best young players.
Centralised funding of county teams would ensure a fairer level of funding. Plus county boards would be able to budget much better and not worry about costs for an extended championship run.
Counties would be free to spend more if they wanted, but this would be totally up to them to fundraise. And the spending of that money would be audited
I like the idea personally. It would restore the Association to what it's supposed to be.
An amateur organisation.
GAA is at a juncture at top level. It goes either professional or they take control of it.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Socialism works in American professional sports.
The weakest teams get to pick the best young players.
Centralised funding of county teams would ensure a fairer level of funding. Plus county boards would be able to budget much better and not worry about costs for an extended championship run.
Counties would be free to spend more if they wanted, but this would be totally up to them to fundraise. And the spending of that money would be audited
That is one rule regarding rookie players. It is a long way from centralised funds which you are proposing.
As for the rest, the idea has some merit but would you not end up pretty much where we are anyway (with the reasonable exception of the auditing of spending)? The same teams would still have much more money than the poorer ones.
Quote from: muppet on December 28, 2014, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Socialism works in American professional sports.
The weakest teams get to pick the best young players.
Centralised funding of county teams would ensure a fairer level of funding. Plus county boards would be able to budget much better and not worry about costs for an extended championship run.
Counties would be free to spend more if they wanted, but this would be totally up to them to fundraise. And the spending of that money would be audited
That is one rule regarding rookie players. It is a long way from centralised funds which you are proposing.
As for the rest, the idea has some merit but would you not end up pretty much where we are anyway (with the reasonable exception of the auditing of spending)? The same teams would still have much more money than the poorer ones.
The NFL splits tv revenue equally between all teams, small market and big market ones. NFL socialism extends far beyond a draft and anything proposed here is no where near the (smartly, for the sport) forced parity in the NFL.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 28, 2014, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 28, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Socialism works in American professional sports.
The weakest teams get to pick the best young players.
Centralised funding of county teams would ensure a fairer level of funding. Plus county boards would be able to budget much better and not worry about costs for an extended championship run.
Counties would be free to spend more if they wanted, but this would be totally up to them to fundraise. And the spending of that money would be audited
I like the idea personally. It would restore the Association to what it's supposed to be.
An amateur organisation.
GAA is at a juncture at top level. It goes either professional or they take control of it.
You are 100% correct Indiana but in all honesty and as much as I hate saying it, I think things have gone too far to go back to what it's supposed to be. Top level gaelic football and hurling will evolve to 10-14 regional teams that are pro or semi-pro and these players will not play with their clubs at all. I don't want that to happen but I think it is unavoidable with the money in the game and the fact that intercounty players are being asked for ridiculous commitment levels when you consider most have no realistic chance of winning anything.
There isn't the will at the higher levels of the GAA to bring the association back into line with what it's supposed to be so this twin track approach (for want of a better phrase) is probably the best we can hope for. At least it would allow club fixtures to go ahead in peace at the best times of the year.
I have to say that I think there's a lot of merit in an idea like this, provided it is done in conjunction with proper policing.
I don't think we can ever have a situation in the GAA where the Leitrim County Board and the Dublin County board spend the same amount of money each year, and nor should we. Dublin have a lot of GAA members and players to look after, so naturally they need to spend more, while we also should continue to incentivise counties to do their best when it comes to domestic fundraising.
However there has to be some way of ensuring that when it comes to team expenses, there aren't any huge advantages given to a handful of teams before they even take the field. Neither do I think that we should simply shrug our shoulders and say that things are "unworkable" and leave it at that.
Personally, what I'd like to see is for the GAA top brass to sit down with the GPA and the county boards and to determine what is the right amount that should be spent on an intercounty team session, or match - and then centralise all those expenses. Determine the mileage rate for players and management, determine what paid professionals should be at each session (Physios, Doctors, Masseurs etc), the cost of food and fluids, and take all of the financing of these things away from the county boards.
As was stated above, finance them out of league or championship payments that would have gone to county boards from the GAA, or from central funds with a corresponding decrease in some other allocation down the line.
Then, if a county board like Dublin or whoever wants to spend €30,000 on bringing on board a professional sports psychologist, or dietitian or indeed any other professional above and beyond this, they should be free to do so, subject to paying a "luxury tax" that goes back into the general pot. If Lone Shark is hired as some sort of guru by the Dubs and gets €30k, then I still draw the money from the central fund but Dublin have to agree to pour €60k in (for example), not €30k. That would in time become a leveling influence.
However this could only work if it was done in conjunction with real and meaningful audit of county board finances to ensure that there are no top ups or anything else being issued to restore previously held advantages. Announce in advance that from the start of 2016 (for example) all payments from county boards must be fully audited, and any proven payments to management, players or professionals in contravention of these rules should be severely punished, up to and including the suspension of the team in question from intercounty competition for full league or championship campaigns. There has been a real blind eye turned to this stuff before now, just like there was a blind eye turned to drink driving in this country for years. If the will to change is there, change will happen.
The purpose of the idea would be defeated if a CB could come along and dump a load of money by getting a specialist outside the (theoretical) cap. That's exactly the sort of financial doping that's warping the very concepts of amateurism and competitiveness. Allowing a CB to do it by giving money back to everyone else still leaves them with an unfair advantage - much simpler and much more effective to cut that out at the source by forcing all optional expenses to be judged against the (theoretical) cap.
It's full duck or no dinner, as Willie H would say.
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 02, 2015, 01:42:00 AM
I have to say that I think there's a lot of merit in an idea like this, provided it is done in conjunction with proper policing.
I don't think we can ever have a situation in the GAA where the Leitrim County Board and the Dublin County board spend the same amount of money each year, and nor should we. Dublin have a lot of GAA members and players to look after, so naturally they need to spend more, while we also should continue to incentivise counties to do their best when it comes to domestic fundraising.
However there has to be some way of ensuring that when it comes to team expenses, there aren't any huge advantages given to a handful of teams before they even take the field. Neither do I think that we should simply shrug our shoulders and say that things are "unworkable" and leave it at that.
Personally, what I'd like to see is for the GAA top brass to sit down with the GPA and the county boards and to determine what is the right amount that should be spent on an intercounty team session, or match - and then centralise all those expenses. Determine the mileage rate for players and management, determine what paid professionals should be at each session (Physios, Doctors, Masseurs etc), the cost of food and fluids, and take all of the financing of these things away from the county boards.
As was stated above, finance them out of league or championship payments that would have gone to county boards from the GAA, or from central funds with a corresponding decrease in some other allocation down the line.
Then, if a county board like Dublin or whoever wants to spend €30,000 on bringing on board a professional sports psychologist, or dietitian or indeed any other professional above and beyond this, they should be free to do so, subject to paying a "luxury tax" that goes back into the general pot. If Lone Shark is hired as some sort of guru by the Dubs and gets €30k, then I still draw the money from the central fund but Dublin have to agree to pour €60k in (for example), not €30k. That would in time become a leveling influence.
However this could only work if it was done in conjunction with real and meaningful audit of county board finances to ensure that there are no top ups or anything else being issued to restore previously held advantages. Announce in advance that from the start of 2016 (for example) all payments from county boards must be fully audited, and any proven payments to management, players or professionals in contravention of these rules should be severely punished, up to and including the suspension of the team in question from intercounty competition for full league or championship campaigns. There has been a real blind eye turned to this stuff before now, just like there was a blind eye turned to drink driving in this country for years. If the will to change is there, change will happen.
I would like to see a breakdown of the county team expenses for each county.
that would be interesting
There are certainly a lot of fellas earning money off the GAA for various roles on county management backroom teams.
while in some counties lads might be doing it voluntarily, as either the county board has no money or they've a much smaller backroom team
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2015, 10:18:30 AM
Quote from: Lone Shark on January 02, 2015, 01:42:00 AM
I have to say that I think there's a lot of merit in an idea like this, provided it is done in conjunction with proper policing.
I don't think we can ever have a situation in the GAA where the Leitrim County Board and the Dublin County board spend the same amount of money each year, and nor should we. Dublin have a lot of GAA members and players to look after, so naturally they need to spend more, while we also should continue to incentivise counties to do their best when it comes to domestic fundraising.
However there has to be some way of ensuring that when it comes to team expenses, there aren't any huge advantages given to a handful of teams before they even take the field. Neither do I think that we should simply shrug our shoulders and say that things are "unworkable" and leave it at that.
Personally, what I'd like to see is for the GAA top brass to sit down with the GPA and the county boards and to determine what is the right amount that should be spent on an intercounty team session, or match - and then centralise all those expenses. Determine the mileage rate for players and management, determine what paid professionals should be at each session (Physios, Doctors, Masseurs etc), the cost of food and fluids, and take all of the financing of these things away from the county boards.
As was stated above, finance them out of league or championship payments that would have gone to county boards from the GAA, or from central funds with a corresponding decrease in some other allocation down the line.
Then, if a county board like Dublin or whoever wants to spend €30,000 on bringing on board a professional sports psychologist, or dietitian or indeed any other professional above and beyond this, they should be free to do so, subject to paying a "luxury tax" that goes back into the general pot. If Lone Shark is hired as some sort of guru by the Dubs and gets €30k, then I still draw the money from the central fund but Dublin have to agree to pour €60k in (for example), not €30k. That would in time become a leveling influence.
However this could only work if it was done in conjunction with real and meaningful audit of county board finances to ensure that there are no top ups or anything else being issued to restore previously held advantages. Announce in advance that from the start of 2016 (for example) all payments from county boards must be fully audited, and any proven payments to management, players or professionals in contravention of these rules should be severely punished, up to and including the suspension of the team in question from intercounty competition for full league or championship campaigns. There has been a real blind eye turned to this stuff before now, just like there was a blind eye turned to drink driving in this country for years. If the will to change is there, change will happen.
I would like to see a breakdown of the county team expenses for each county.
that would be interesting
There are certainly a lot of fellas earning money off the GAA for various roles on county management backroom teams.
while in some counties lads might be doing it voluntarily, as either the county board has no money or they've a much smaller backroom team
And then I'd like to see the actual expenses. Some leading counties take up to 15 weekends away and then foreign training camps through Sinn Fein esque foreign fundraising. Will these totals be included?
;D It's funny seeing some Dubs here have the cheek to question other teams expenses. It'd be like Fianna Fáil having a go at the Blueshirts over corruption.
I've been saying for years that Dubl$n will ruin Gaelic Games as we know it. With the millions that's been pumped into developing their players it's been made it impossible for most counties to compete. Some counties have found a short term solution, they've spent huge sums on their senior teams. They wont be able to do this forever and it means that counties with very little money are miles behind those that do.
Dubl$n have killed the Leinster football championship, it's dead. They will destroy the rest of the football championship if they're let continue and eventually the hurling championship too. I've also said in the past that funding should be divided fairly amongst every county so all teams have an equal opportunity to compete. For Dubl$n it's too late, the millions they've received for a decade has left them too far ahead. They're competing as professionals and they're dragging our great amateur sport with them.
We have to take Dubl$n down to save our games.
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 02, 2015, 12:15:48 PM
;D It's funny seeing some Dubs here have the cheek to question other teams expenses. It'd be like Fianna Fáil having a go at the Blueshirts over corruption.
I've been saying for years that Dubl$n will ruin Gaelic Games as we know it. With the millions that's been pumped into developing their players it's been made it impossible for most counties to compete. Some counties have found a short term solution, they've spent huge sums on their senior teams. They wont be able to do this forever and it means that counties with very little money are miles behind those that do.
Dubl$n have killed the Leinster football championship, it's dead. They will destroy the rest of the football championship if they're let continue and eventually the hurling championship too. I've also said in the past that funding should be divided fairly amongst every county so all teams have an equal opportunity to compete. For Dubl$n it's too late, the millions they've received for a decade has left them too far ahead. They're competing as professionals and they're dragging our great amateur sport with them.
We have to take Dubl$n down to save our games.
Item #1 on the agenda will be recuperating all the money Laois pissed away on outside managers over the last decade so this can be redistributed to other counties.
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Don't matter is alive and well, good to know. 1st post of the year on Dublin, only another 1576 to go before 2016 on Dublin.
Don't let him keep ruining threads Mods by being a WUM. The topic of Dublin games development finances have been well documented at this stage and he really needs to contact Croke park and or Leinster council.
On the topic itself, I would like to see Dublin's expenses since 2011 to 2014 beside Donegal's in Football and/or Kerry and Mayo's. Can anyone provide this or is everyone just going on estimations, hearsay, rumours, how many helicopters they see hovering over Donegal in the summer, etc. If we are then I would say Donegal have spent the most since 2011.
This thread is entitled 'Centralised Fund for Team Expenses?' The county with the highest level of team expenses is Dubl$n. The Dubl$n controlled media keep silent on the issue, we don't have to do likewise here or anywhere else.
If you got to see the financial accounts from the Dubl$n county board then you'd see that they've spent more than Donegal, Mayo and Kerry combined since 2011.
The Dubs are up in arms now that they got beaten out the gate by Donegal, they were happy when it was only them with the money to buy All Ireland's. Well what did they and everyone else expect? The only way to compete against a team with huge resources is to pump huge resources into your own team. Obviously it's no coincidence that the 4 All Ireland semi finalists in football all had big money behind them. If this is allowed to continue then our sport as we know it will be destroyed. It's as simple as that.
Turkey's don't vote for Christmas so it's up to the rest of us to save our games.
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 02, 2015, 03:42:09 PM
This thread is entitled 'Centralised Fund for Team Expenses?' If you got to see the financial accounts from the Dubl$n county board then you'd see that they've spent more than Donegal, Mayo and Kerry combined since 2011.
Can you post some figures along with sources for those two claims please as both are nonsense.
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 02, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
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What does the above (unsourced) graphic have to do with the Dublin Senior Footballers or Hurlers?
In fairness Heffo that money isn't all being used to train top class Rounders players, now is it? An equitable per capita spread of development money is a related aspect of this. I'd settle for a cap at senior level for now though.
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 05:46:42 PM
In fairness Heffo that money isn't all being used to train top class Rounders players, now is it? An equitable per capita spread of development money is a related aspect of this. I'd settle for a cap at senior level for now though.
No, it's being used to train Nursery and young primary school aged children. I don't see the correlation with Senior IC panels (at least not in the context of this thread anyway)
Should the expenses for Dublin's Senior Team not be considerably lower than the other top 4 teams given that they don't have to pay the cost of transporting a team and staff to and from Dublin, accommodation food etc. for every championship game? I would imagine most players are based in the capital so less mileage expenses for training too.
Quote from: heffo on January 02, 2015, 05:14:16 PM
What does the above (unsourced) graphic have to do with the Dublin Senior Footballers or Hurlers?
The figures are from the official accounts and it's bought your senior footballers a couple of Leinster titles, National leagues and All Ireland's while it's bought your senior hurlers a Leinster title and National league title.
Quote from: heffo on January 02, 2015, 06:13:37 PM
No, it's being used to train Nursery and young primary school aged children. I don't see the correlation with Senior IC panels (at least not in the context of this thread anyway)
Since most of Dubl$ns underage system is funded by all of us, it leaves your county board free to pump huge resources into your senior teams.
Quote from: Westside on January 02, 2015, 06:52:29 PM
Should the expenses for Dublin's Senior Team not be considerably lower than the other top 4 teams given that they don't have to pay the cost of transporting a team and staff to and from Dublin, accommodation food etc. for every championship game? I would imagine most players are based in the capital so less mileage expenses for training too.
Bernard Dunne and the extensive backroom teams don't come for free.
I've said previously that the GAA have created a monster with the millions upon millions they've given Dubl$n GAA. They now feel entitled to the money, even a small cut in the funding is being strongly opposed: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385)
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 03, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
I've said previously that the GAA have created a monster with the millions upon millions they've given Dubl$n GAA. They now feel entitled to the money, even a small cut in the funding is being strongly opposed: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385)
What does that have to do with Senior IC team expenses? Am still awaiting a source on your last bullsh*t assertion too.
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
Quote from: heffo on January 03, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
What does that have to do with Senior IC team expenses? Am still awaiting a source on your last bullsh*t assertion too.
I've explained what it has to do with IC team expenses. Where's your source for Laois manager payments?
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
What age do you think Diarmuid Connolly is? 14?
Quote from: heffo on January 14, 2015, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
What age do you think Diarmuid Connolly is? 14?
he went through the primary school and club system in Dublin
so he got coaching from a county board funded full time coach - GPO, who was able to oversee his development
a system not in place in other counties
Club pays half the cost of GPO in Dublin. What's to stop other counties putting something similar in place? Granted the vast, vast majority of rural clubs wouldn't have the funds that a super club in Dublin would have but what's to stop a county board dividing the county into districts and appoint a GPO to each district provided enough (preferably all) of the clubs in each district contribute towards funding said GPO?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 14, 2015, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
What age do you think Diarmuid Connolly is? 14?
he went through the primary school and club system in Dublin
so he got coaching from a county board funded full time coach - GPO, who was able to oversee his development
a system not in place in other counties
It Don't Matter, Delmonte, it Don't Matter.
If the lads up in Dublin want to see how the other half lives they're more than welcome to visit.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 15, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Club pays half the cost of GPO in Dublin. What's to stop other counties putting something similar in place? Granted the vast, vast majority of rural clubs wouldn't have the funds that a super club in Dublin would have but what's to stop a county board dividing the county into districts and appoint a GPO to each district provided enough (preferably all) of the clubs in each district contribute towards funding said GPO?
The idea has been floated by 3/4 clubs in close proximity getting a coach full time to go to schools and coach in the clubs
No matching funding available from the GAA was the response we got from the county board.
Go figure
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 14, 2015, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
What age do you think Diarmuid Connolly is? 14?
he went through the primary school and club system in Dublin
so he got coaching from a county board funded full time coach - GPO, who was able to oversee his development
a system not in place in other counties
Diarmuid Connolly is 27.
The coaching system in primary schools (aimed primarily at younger classes) you refer to started nine years ago. I'll let you do the sums.
Quote from: Syferus on January 15, 2015, 03:23:05 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 14, 2015, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 14, 2015, 12:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on January 12, 2015, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: northsideboy on January 03, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
Are there any mods now on this site. Wums like dont matter drive away people who might have something worthwhile to contribute to a discussion. Do us a favour and ban him/her.
The truth hurts. I think if I'm driving people like you away I'm doing everyone a favour.
You're not doing anyone, least of all yourself, a favour with the way you carry on. Fair enough - you have a strongly held opinion. You have every right to voice it strongly. I think what is objectionable is the childish (Dubl$n - we got the joke a long time ago) and overly aggressive manner in which you present your views. I don't think you should be banned - I just wish you'd have a bit more manners. Some of the people you are insulting are people that put countless hours of unpaid time into the GAA and they deserve better than the treatment you dole out. And as I said, it dilutes your argument the way you carry on.
Its pure ignorance on the idiot's part to suggest funding created Diarmuid connolly for example.
Vincents created Diarmuid Connolly. His juvenile coaches who didn't get an ounce of funding or a red cent created him.
Through their passion for the game they taught him the game and helped him become the best footballer in the country.
Its no different to the hundreds of GAA clubs in the country.
Clubs create players- funding doesn't. And county teams don't either
How many coaches employed the County Board went into his school training kids from 1st class up?
Our local school barely gets a part time coach 5/6 times a term
What age do you think Diarmuid Connolly is? 14?
he went through the primary school and club system in Dublin
so he got coaching from a county board funded full time coach - GPO, who was able to oversee his development
a system not in place in other counties
It Don't Matter, Delmonte, it Don't Matter.
If the lads up in Dublin want to see how the other half lives they're more than welcome to visit.
Is Don't Matter one of the many accounts you post under?
I'd love to get a look at your bus if you could arrange?
No.
Paranoia.
Blah blah, Who cares , bunch of pussies.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 15, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Club pays half the cost of GPO in Dublin. What's to stop other counties putting something similar in place? Granted the vast, vast majority of rural clubs wouldn't have the funds that a super club in Dublin would have but what's to stop a county board dividing the county into districts and appoint a GPO to each district provided enough (preferably all) of the clubs in each district contribute towards funding said GPO?
The idea has been floated by 3/4 clubs in close proximity getting a coach full time to go to schools and coach in the clubs
No matching funding available from the GAA was the response we got from the county board.
Go figure
The county board would have to put a plan together that they could present to HQ. No one in their right mind is going to release the purse strings on an ad hoc basis for a club here and a club there, with no overall county specific strategy. The sad reality is that these same county boards are more interested in building white elephants than putting a strategic plan in place.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 19, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 15, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Club pays half the cost of GPO in Dublin. What's to stop other counties putting something similar in place? Granted the vast, vast majority of rural clubs wouldn't have the funds that a super club in Dublin would have but what's to stop a county board dividing the county into districts and appoint a GPO to each district provided enough (preferably all) of the clubs in each district contribute towards funding said GPO?
The idea has been floated by 3/4 clubs in close proximity getting a coach full time to go to schools and coach in the clubs
No matching funding available from the GAA was the response we got from the county board.
Go figure
The county board would have to put a plan together that they could present to HQ. No one in their right mind is going to release the purse strings on an ad hoc basis for a club here and a club there, with no overall county specific strategy. The sad reality is that these same county boards are more interested in building white elephants than putting a strategic plan in place.
How are the plans for the new stand in Cusack coming along?
Such a waste of money
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 19, 2015, 04:45:15 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 19, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 15, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on January 15, 2015, 12:05:12 PM
Club pays half the cost of GPO in Dublin. What's to stop other counties putting something similar in place? Granted the vast, vast majority of rural clubs wouldn't have the funds that a super club in Dublin would have but what's to stop a county board dividing the county into districts and appoint a GPO to each district provided enough (preferably all) of the clubs in each district contribute towards funding said GPO?
The idea has been floated by 3/4 clubs in close proximity getting a coach full time to go to schools and coach in the clubs
No matching funding available from the GAA was the response we got from the county board.
Go figure
The county board would have to put a plan together that they could present to HQ. No one in their right mind is going to release the purse strings on an ad hoc basis for a club here and a club there, with no overall county specific strategy. The sad reality is that these same county boards are more interested in building white elephants than putting a strategic plan in place.
How are the plans for the new stand in Cusack coming along?
Such a waste of money
Can't see HQ contributing what's required to that either, which will be a blessing.
Where are the dubs getting all this money from??
I've said previously that the GAA have created a monster with the millions upon millions they've given Dubl$n GAA. They now feel entitled to the money, even a small cut in the funding is being strongly opposed: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 11:19:41 AM
I've said previously that the GAA have created a monster with the millions upon millions they've given Dubl$n GAA. They now feel entitled to the money, even a small cut in the funding is being strongly opposed: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-manager-jim-gavin-slams-proposed-cuts-in-gaa-funding-to-dublin-1.2052385
You realise that article is nearly 4 years old?