Bought this impressive tome yesterday.On flicking through it I noticed at least 4 Mc Rory Cup winning players who went on to win full international caps with N Ireland soccer team.Can you name them?
Niall McGinn maybe?
Pat Jennings
Neil lennon
Not one of them won a Mc Rory Cup medal.Thought one of the four would have been glaringly obvious!
Martin Oneill? Thought I read before he lost a mccrory final.
Mal Donaghy?
Martin O Neill is one.Donaghy didn't though.Will be amazed if anyone gets the other three,but here's a clue,one of them actually played for Man Utd!
Shane McCabe ?
Kyle Lafferty ? He might have went on to win a Hogan aswell
Eric Cantona?
Socrates?
Willie Frazer ?
Kirk Hunter?
tony Fearon?
Tommy Connell?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on December 07, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
Kirk Hunter?
wonder how long he would have lasted a big cship match !
Did Pat McGibbon win one with Colman' s? (tho I think he maybe was at St Mick' s in Lurgan? ???)
tony , are you away to mass??? Where are the answers?
Gerry mcelkinney
I'm a Saturday night vigil mass man.Well done Nigel,Tom Connell is indeed another one.Only two to go!
Gerry Mc Elhinney, didn't win a McRory medal
Kirk Hunter lol.I remember Schillaci retiring in the early 90s and the standing joke was that is was due to his fear of facing Kirk Hunter in a European tie potentially ;D
Jim magilton(sp) St Mary's 86 ?
Your lad Shay McCartan who played for Down minors went across the water. I remember him being in a NI squad a few years ago but don't know if he played a game. Not sure where he disappeared to. Is he back playing here? Think he was at Burnley but didn't make it with them.
Peter Canavan.
The answer to all four is Larry Reilly
Not Magilton,and as for Shay Mc Cartan there's more chance of me getting a call up to the NI squad!
Must admit while I was aware of the two lads concerned' soccer careers I never realised they played GAA at all until I bought the book yesterday
Was one of them Michael o Neill the current manager of N Ireland
No.
Anthony Tohill
Anthony Tohill played for N Ireland when?
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
I know.France should have beaten the Germans in the World Cup semi final
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
Let me guess, Billy's boy qualified for Spain or Tullygate?
Anton Rogan & Gerry Taggart?
Quote from: Silver hill on December 07, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
Let me guess, Billy's boy qualified for Spain or Tullygate?
That's the one.
Rogan and Taggart both wrong.
Shall I give the answer? Surprised someone from Newry area hasn't come up with one of them
Rorys uncle Mickey McDonald won a Hogan with St Colmans as far as I know and played Irish League - don't know if he played for NI
Con Davey?
I think Michael McGovern (Falkirk and Hamilton custodian) won a Corn na nÓg with St Michaels, not sure if he was about for a McRory win though.
Not Mickey Mc Donald or Con Davey but in right era with Davey.Remember back in 1976 Mickey Mc Donald scoring all three goals for NI youth team against the Republic and his marker was David O'Leary who'd already broken into Arsenal's first team!
Quote from: T Fearon on December 07, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
Not Mickey Mc Donald or Con Davey but in right era with Davey.Remember back in 1976 Mickey Mc Donald scoring all three goals for NI youth team against the Republic and his marker was David O'Leary who'd already broken into Arsenal's first team!
Jim Cleary?
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on December 07, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
Let me guess, Billy's boy qualified for Spain or Tullygate?
That's the one.
Wee Val, big Adrian, brother Ennis... Some boardroom shenanigans at that time.
Kyle Lafferty.
Quote from: Silver hill on December 07, 2014, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on December 07, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
Let me guess, Billy's boy qualified for Spain or Tullygate?
That's the one.
Wee Val, big Adrian, brother Ennis... Some boardroom shenanigans at that time.
Yep...serious politics......at the risk of outing myself on here I was playing that day.
Jim Cleary played on the losing side in a Mc Rory Final.
Mal Donaghy.
No.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 07, 2014, 09:56:17 PM
Jim Cleary played on the losing side in a Mc Rory Final.
He did.
Would have played in a Fermanagh ulster championship winning team only Billy took him to Spain in 82
Gerry Armstrong? Was he with St Marys Belfast in 1970?
Not Gerry Armstrong
Peter McParland??
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
love bringing that up in the in laws house 5 sams
who is the only one with a mc rory medal here who won it on the field
needless to sure what I get told
Quote from: naka on December 08, 2014, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
love bringing that up in the in laws house 5 sams
who is the only one with a mc rory medal here who won it on the field
needless to sure what I get told
Might have known you'd be along! ;)
Norman O'Whiteside
has to be Jobby
Tommy Cassidy.
MacRory
Answers Tony O'Docherty (who while with Coleraine) appeared against England at Wembley and Hugh Dowd (St Colmans and Sheff Wednesday)
Tony won a Mc Rory medal with St Columbs Derry in the late 60s and if memory serves me right he was in the Ballymena team that won Irish Cup in 1981 and that faced Roma in the Cup winners cup the following season
Did Martin O'Neill definitely win one? I thought I read somewhere that he lost the final. must buy the book.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 08, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: naka on December 08, 2014, 10:08:12 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 07, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
1982...a travesty occurred..I'll say no more.
love bringing that up in the in laws house 5 sams
who is the only one with a mc rory medal here who won it on the field
needless to sure what I get told
Might have known you'd be along! ;)
The pages dedicated to 82 show the low levels that the Ulster Colleges went to try and take the title from St Pats, their childish behaviour at ignoring the win and then not putting subsequent wins to Mac Rory final programmes beggars belief from adult men with serious responsibilities, only being threatened by Croke Park many years later from holding funding did they eventually grow. St Pats won it on the pitch and the board room. sin e
The book is a great read
Behind The Wire, Martin O'Neill was the star of the St Malachy's side which won the 1970 MacRory and then lost the Hogan final to an injury time goal. He was also playing soccer with Distillery and won the Irish Cup with them in 1971. The notorious rule 27 ban on foreign sports was still in place, but it did not apply to schoolboys. However, when St Malachy's were due to play St Mary's in a big Belfast derby in the 1971 MacRory Cup, the Antrim County Board said Casement Park would not be available if O'Neill was involved. St Malachy's stood firm, the game was taken out of the city, possibly to Omagh, and St Mary's won. Rule 27 was deleted at the GAA's annual congress in Belfast later that year. O'Neill has subsequently said that the loss of the 1970 Hogan final was the biggest disappointment of his sporting career.
Will we ever see a St Marys/St Malachys McRory final again?? It would be great for GAA in the city and Antrim!!
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 08, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
Behind The Wire, Martin O'Neill was the star of the St Malachy's side which won the 1970 MacRory and then lost the Hogan final to an injury time goal. He was also playing soccer with Distillery and won the Irish Cup with them in 1971. The notorious rule 27 ban on foreign sports was still in place, but it did not apply to schoolboys. However, when St Malachy's were due to play St Mary's in a big Belfast derby in the 1971 MacRory Cup, the Antrim County Board said Casement Park would not be available if O'Neill was involved. St Malachy's stood firm, the game was taken out of the city, possibly to Omagh, and St Mary's won. Rule 27 was deleted at the GAA's annual congress in Belfast later that year. O'Neill has subsequently said that the loss of the 1970 Hogan final was the biggest disappointment of his sporting career.
According to Wiki Gerry Armstrong only played soccer because he was banned from Gaa. Anyone know what the story was there?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 08, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
Will we ever see a St Marys/St Malachys McRory final again?? It would be great for GAA in the city and Antrim!!
St Malachys will win more basket ball and soccer trophies before any gaelic ones.
Your statement is even more worrying if the mixed religion school brigade get their wishes.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 08, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
Behind The Wire, Martin O'Neill was the star of the St Malachy's side which won the 1970 MacRory and then lost the Hogan final to an injury time goal. He was also playing soccer with Distillery and won the Irish Cup with them in 1971. The notorious rule 27 ban on foreign sports was still in place, but it did not apply to schoolboys. However, when St Malachy's were due to play St Mary's in a big Belfast derby in the 1971 MacRory Cup, the Antrim County Board said Casement Park would not be available if O'Neill was involved. St Malachy's stood firm, the game was taken out of the city, possibly to Omagh, and St Mary's won. Rule 27 was deleted at the GAA's annual congress in Belfast later that year. O'Neill has subsequently said that the loss of the 1970 Hogan final was the biggest disappointment of his sporting career.
Thanks Mourne Rover. It must have been the Hogan Cup final loss I read about.
Quote from: muppet on December 08, 2014, 01:36:59 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 08, 2014, 01:23:44 PM
Behind The Wire, Martin O'Neill was the star of the St Malachy's side which won the 1970 MacRory and then lost the Hogan final to an injury time goal. He was also playing soccer with Distillery and won the Irish Cup with them in 1971. The notorious rule 27 ban on foreign sports was still in place, but it did not apply to schoolboys. However, when St Malachy's were due to play St Mary's in a big Belfast derby in the 1971 MacRory Cup, the Antrim County Board said Casement Park would not be available if O'Neill was involved. St Malachy's stood firm, the game was taken out of the city, possibly to Omagh, and St Mary's won. Rule 27 was deleted at the GAA's annual congress in Belfast later that year. O'Neill has subsequently said that the loss of the 1970 Hogan final was the biggest disappointment of his sporting career.
According to Wiki Gerry Armstrong only played soccer because he was banned from Gaa. Anyone know what the story was there?
I thought he played for st johns. Definitely did at some point unless the ban kicked in afterwards.
Gerry Armstrong came from a big GAA family and played for St John's and Antrim. He was reportedly given a long ban at some stage but, because of his age, it was probably over discipline rather than Rule 27. The rumour was that his father was unhappy with his soccer involvement and refused to watch him play at Windsor Park, even though his home off the Whiterock Road was almost in sight of the ground.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 08, 2014, 03:49:51 PM
Gerry Armstrong came from a big GAA family and played for St John's and Antrim. He was reportedly given a long ban at some stage but, because of his age, it was probably over discipline rather than Rule 27. The rumour was that his father was unhappy with his soccer involvement and refused to watch him play at Windsor Park, even though his home off the Whiterock Road was almost in sight of the ground.
If by in sight of the ground you mean 2 miles away, down the Donegall Road, cross the Broadway roundabout, up Glenmachan Street, turn left at the Roundabout at the bottom of Tates and then right onto Donegall Avenue then yes Windsor was almost in sight of the house!
BC1, in sight of the ground means in sight of the ground. Try standing on the hill at the bottom of the Whiterock Road and look east. The Windsor Park kop stand is just across the motorway. The map shows it is less than 500m from the Falls/Whiterock junction as the crow flies.
Gerry Armstrong was the son of a Tyrone man,and was banned for a long time from GAA for disciplinary reasons,not for soccer involvement.Played soccer with his brother back in the 70s who strutted around as if he was Johann Cruyff's brother.
As regards the 1982 Mc Rory Final the book comments "Only Stephen Mc Veigh and Aidan Murdock prevented a much greater defeat for the Newry side".
The book does not allude to the travesty in 1978 when St Patrick's Armagh,vice captained by my late brother Joe,led Maghera by 6 points at half time in the semi final,but failed to score in the second half,and lost by two,principally because the Derry wans kicked the crap out of Eugene Young,ironically a South Derry native himself.
What happened in 1982?
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 09, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
What happened in 1982?
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St pat's maghera defeated abbey cbs newry in the final. The maghera capt was Martin tully. He played in the final after a protracted battle within the Ulster colleges council over his eligibility.
Quote from: T Fearon on December 08, 2014, 06:39:50 PM
Gerry Armstrong was the son of a Tyrone man,and was banned for a long time from GAA for disciplinary reasons,not for soccer involvement.Played soccer with his brother back in the 70s who strutted around as if he was Johann Cruyff's brother.
As regards the 1982 Mc Rory Final the book comments "Only Stephen Mc Veigh and Aidan Murdock prevented a much greater defeat for the Newry side".
The book does not allude to the travesty in 1978 when St Patrick's Armagh,vice captained by my late brother Joe,led Maghera by 6 points at half time in the semi final,but failed to score in the second half,and lost by two,principally because the Derry wans kicked the crap out of Eugene Young,ironically a South Derry native himself.
Spoofer, the half boy half man,13 year old running riot again
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 09, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
What happened in 1982?
Maghera captain Martin Tully was sent off in the semi final and got a one match ban. Maghera however played him in the final and as a result they were disqualified despite having won the game and the Abbey were awarded the cup. Cue appeals to Central Council and all sorts of shenanagans. They ended up being awarded the game in the end.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 09, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 09, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
What happened in 1982?
Maghera captain Martin Tully was sent off in the semi final and got a one match ban. Maghera however played him in the final and as a result they were disqualified despite having won the game and the Abbey were awarded the cup. Cue appeals to Central Council and all sorts of shenanagans. They ended up being awarded the game in the end.
He got a one match ban from the Ulster colleges, St pats appealed it to Croke Park prior to the final, who told the Ulster colleges to stop making up rules that are not in the official Gaa guide, therefore making him eligible to play, all subsequent appeals and counter appeals all supported St Pats and Croke Park position.
Really what it smacked of was a new school on the block, not exclusively grammar being looked down from the snobs in the Ulster Colleges elite. They they get some sickener over the next twenty years lol.
balls rawhide
tully got sent off and maghera were told not to play him in the final
they did
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 09, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 09, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
What happened in 1982?
Maghera captain Martin Tully was sent off in the semi final and got a one match ban. Maghera however played him in the final and as a result they were disqualified despite having won the game and the Abbey were awarded the cup. Cue appeals to Central Council and all sorts of shenanagans. They ended up being awarded the game in the end.
He got a one match ban from the Ulster colleges, St pats appealed it to Croke Park prior to the final, who told the Ulster colleges to stop making up rules that are not in the official Gaa guide, therefore making him eligible to play, all subsequent appeals and counter appeals all supported St Pats and Croke Park position.
Really what it smacked of was a new school on the block, not exclusively grammar being looked down from the snobs in the Ulster Colleges elite. They they get some sickener over the next twenty years lol.
Just a thought....a player gets sent off, straight red, or whatever it was in the past....he is suspended for the next game or worse. Yes or no? Was it ever any different? Why would it be different for Maghera??
Quote from: naka on December 09, 2014, 12:53:42 PM
balls rawhide
tully got sent off and maghera were told not to play him in the final
they did
Read the book, in my first paragraph it is facts. The chapter on Maghera spells it out.
5Sams, Croke park obviously didn't see as simply as you do. Have you read the book, it presents the facts, St Pats didn't bend the rules, how could they,Ulster colleges used a rule that was not in the offical guide to try and suspend him, and duely got their ass' whipped. It's unfortunate that the Abbey was the sandwich in the middle, but they had the same chance as St Pats on the day to win it, and came up short. St Pats won it on the pitch and the board room as they say.
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2014, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: naka on December 09, 2014, 12:53:42 PM
balls rawhide
tully got sent off and maghera were told not to play him in the final
they did
Read the book, in my first paragraph it is facts. The chapter on Maghera spells it out.
5Sams, Croke park obviously didn't see as simply as you do. Have you read the book, it presents the facts, St Pats didn't bend the rules, how could they,Ulster colleges used a rule that was not in the offical guide to try and suspend him, and duely got their ass' whipped. It's unfortunate that the Abbey was the sandwich in the middle, but they had the same chance as St Pats on the day to win it, and came up short. St Pats won it on the pitch and the board room as they say.
No need for the insults Rawhide. I just asked you a simple question. Are you telling me there was no rule in the official guide in 1982 laying down the suspension for a straight red card? If there wasn't I would be very surprised.
To make it even more laughable, the Ulster colleges then told St Pats, that the Ulster Colleges were a law unto themselves and could make up whatever rules they wanted and apply them, but call it Gaelic fooball, so in that spirit they declared St Pats wouldn't represent Ulster in the Hogan semifinal, but guess what, St Pats went back to Croke Park and appealed the Ulster colleges decision, needless to say it did not take a brain surgeon to figure out what the answer was going to be...St Pats in the Hogan semi. Boy dis Ulster colleges take it bad getting sent back up the road with their tails between their legs twice in a few weeks, all because they wanted a rule book all of their own rules, you couldn't make it up.
5sams, wher did I insult you?
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
5sams, wher did I insult you?
Before you edited your post....do you think I'm stupid?
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 09, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2014, 01:21:42 PM
5sams, wher did I insult you?
Before you edited your post....do you think I'm stupid?
That's right because I realised it was not a nice thing to do
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 09, 2014, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on December 09, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 09, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on December 09, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
What happened in 1982?
Maghera captain Martin Tully was sent off in the semi final and got a one match ban. Maghera however played him in the final and as a result they were disqualified despite having won the game and the Abbey were awarded the cup. Cue appeals to Central Council and all sorts of shenanagans. They ended up being awarded the game in the end.
He got a one match ban from the Ulster colleges, St pats appealed it to Croke Park prior to the final, who told the Ulster colleges to stop making up rules that are not in the official Gaa guide, therefore making him eligible to play, all subsequent appeals and counter appeals all supported St Pats and Croke Park position.
Really what it smacked of was a new school on the block, not exclusively grammar being looked down from the snobs in the Ulster Colleges elite. They they get some sickener over the next twenty years lol.
Just a thought....a player gets sent off, straight red, or whatever it was in the past....he is suspended for the next game or worse. Yes or no? Was it ever any different? Why would it be different for Maghera??
The old rule was simply a time based one. 2 players could be sent off in the same game for the same offence and get a month of a ban. 1 player could miss 3-4 games as a result because of fixtures while the other one could miss no games!!!
5 SAMs, I can emphathise with you re the defeat itself but not really with the circumstances. Abbey had their chance to 'right the wrong' on the field of play and I can only imagine how vitriolic www val's speech would have been before the game. My point is that would you rather have won the cup by default off the pitch, or played the game with Tully on the field? Better to have played and lost I would have thought? Maybe not
Book makes it clear that Maghera were by far the better team in 82 and the scoreline flattered the losers