Saw this in the times today, cant say its a rule I've ever heard of and hard to see how its enforced
E.g. if you fall and the ball rolls out of your hands are you still allowed palm it to the goal?
How long do you have? If you are fisting it presumably you have to take both hands off it.
We hardly need to say it, but touching the football on the ground with the hand is a foul in Gaelic football.
There are, however, two exceptions: one for the goalkeeper when they are inside the small square (or rectangle to be exact.
The second exception is Rule 1.2(ii): Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by doing so."
How come then, whenever a player falls to the ground with the football and touches it off the ground, the immediately referee blows for a free?
Every referee does it.
It happened in yesterday's Connacht decider.
It happens every week.
I remember a bit of an outcry after the 1995 final when Canavan did this and I believe Tyrone scored only for the point to be disallowed and a free out awarded for the touch on the ground.
There is a difference between fisting / palming the ball away and trying to regain/retain control of the ball. It is the attempting to regain/retain control of the ball by touching it on the ground that is a foul (and that's what happened yesterday from memory).
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 14, 2014, 11:59:23 AM
Saw this in the times today, cant say its a rule I've ever heard of and hard to see how its enforced
E.g. if you fall and the ball rolls out of your hands are you still allowed palm it to the goal?
How long do you have? If you are fisting it presumably you have to take both hands off it.
We hardly need to say it, but touching the football on the ground with the hand is a foul in Gaelic football.
There are, however, two exceptions: one for the goalkeeper when they are inside the small square (or rectangle to be exact.
The second exception is Rule 1.2(ii): Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by doing so."
How come then, whenever a player falls to the ground with the football and touches it off the ground, the immediately referee blows for a free?
Every referee does it.
It happened in yesterday's Connacht decider.
It happens every week.
To specifically answer this question, it is because the player is not attempting to fist or palm the ball away. They are usually trying to hold on to the ball.
In addition to this there should be someone writing a thesis on when shoulders are deemed fair or not. It seems refs seem more focused on whether the receiver gets buckled by the shoulder or not to determine if its legal or not. Witness Boyle's shoulder on someone in maroon yesterday, it was perfectly fair and shoulder to shoulder. Just because the crowd went "oooohhh" and the Galway player nearly ended up in the stand and couldnt get up, Mr Hickey decided it was a foul. Shoulder to shoulder when challenging for the ball was always the rule. Some refs want to take all physical contact outta the game I fear.
So basically, big Joe's goal in the 2010 Leinster Final was completely legit.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 07:13:55 PM
So basically, big Joe's goal in the 2010 Leinster Final was completely legit.
No it wouldn't. Big Joe fell on the ground but still had control of the ball and just threw it into the net.
If I recall correctly, he was knocked to the ground (definite peno by the way) and palmed the ball into the net.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
If I recall correctly, he was knocked to the ground (definite peno by the way) and palmed the ball into the net.
If you arrive at that conclusion after watching this then you must be a wind up merchant.
http://youtu.be/bxq6SofU_38
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
If I recall correctly, he was knocked to the ground (definite peno by the way) and palmed the ball into the net.
Which isn't a goal.
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 07:31:06 PM
If I recall correctly, he was knocked to the ground (definite peno by the way) and palmed the ball into the net.
Which isn't a goal.
No. Same as a handpass
"The second exception is Rule 1.2(ii): Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by doing so."
For Gods sake lads, read the rule.
It's like some of you never even played the game.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
"The second exception is Rule 1.2(ii): Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by doing so."
For Gods sake lads, read the rule.
It's like some of you never even played the game.
Oh yeah. Forgot that.
It's basically a rule to protect a player coming down with the ball.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
"The second exception is Rule 1.2(ii): Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by doing so."
For Gods sake lads, read the rule.
It's like some of you never even played the game.
He did neither. He threw it into the net.
It was hard to see with the human eye, but he definitely palmed it.
He's just that fast.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
It was hard to see with the human eye, but he definitely palmed it.
He's just that fast.
He psalmed it.
Does the ball have to be/remain close to the body? If it spills out of your hands, can you reach out and palm it?
I've allowed it in games I've refereed, its also one of the rules that comes up in the rules tests, the key is if he is attempting to lift it then its a foul, its the judgement of the referee again to decide what the players intentions are