Might as well get this started. Mayo going for a once in a generation 4 in a row Connacht titles, Galway young guns with underage all Ireland medals bursting out of their back pockets looking to take on the mantle.
Looking forward to it
Good to see Jason G play bout 20 mins for Ballintubber this eve-will be a big addition against Gaillimh
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 22, 2014, 01:15:22 AM
Good to see Jason G play bout 20 mins for Ballintubber this eve-will be a big addition against Gaillimh
Do you think he'll slot back in as a starter? Both O'Sheas were well bet the last day, aside from Seamus' cameo at the death.
5 years since the last Galway v Mayo Connacht final. Hard to believe.
I think it will be a step beyond us this year against a much more experienced and seasoned outfit but I would be very disappointed if we don't put up a much better fight than last year (which wouldn't be hard in fairness). This Galway team will win Connacht titles over the next few years but probably not this year.
This was a big win for Galway. Away to a bogey team of recent years with a very young side. Another defeat would have been crippling. The feeling is now that the graph is headed upwards (albeit slowly) for this side.
Looking forward to a pint in McHales.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2014, 02:30:32 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 22, 2014, 01:15:22 AM
Good to see Jason G play bout 20 mins for Ballintubber this eve-will be a big addition against Gaillimh
Do you think he'll slot back in as a starter? Both O'Sheas were well bet the last day, aside from Seamus' cameo at the death.
he'll have to earn a spot like everyone,but having Bigbird and himself
back in the mix will sharpen the comp. for places
P.S.Congrats to JH and S on the birth of their new son.Rumour has it he was
born with a peaked cap on!
Mayo will obviously have to improve from the Ros match.
They should be far too good for Galway.
Some class's footballers on that Galway team, if they can start to mix the fancy dan stuff with a few solid hitters, this team will win SAMs.
Is this going to be 98 all over again? Mayo tired from two years of all Ireland attempts, it's in Castlebar but it was there in 98 too where Galway took Mayo .
Tbh I think we will have the measure of them but we will need to do better than we did in the Hyde especially in and around the middle third.
We need to get behind this team and bring a massive crowd .
Best of luck to our minors next week in tuam . Up Mayo.
What will Galway have learnt from last year's hammering by Mayo? What tactics do they need to employ to have any chance of overturning that defeat?
Quote from: Shrewdness on June 22, 2014, 03:34:22 PM
What will Galway have learnt from last year's hammering by Mayo? What tactics do they need to employ to have any chance of overturning that defeat?
Intinsity
They'll have to stand up to Mayo better than they did last year as well.
Maybe sledge the forwards a bit too.
Seen Mayo"s go to sub Enda Varley limped off after 5 min with hamstring injury in Garrymore's championship encounter today.
Quote from: maigheo on June 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
Seen Mayo"s go to sub Enda Varley limped off after 5 min with hamstring injury in Garrymore's championship encounter today.
He wasn't the 'go-to' man v the Rossies, despite 4 changes in the forwards.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: maigheo on June 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
Seen Mayo"s go to sub Enda Varley limped off after 5 min with hamstring injury in Garrymore's championship encounter today.
He wasn't the 'go-to' man v the Rossies, despite 4 changes in the forwards.
Wasn't he injured before the game?
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: maigheo on June 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
Seen Mayo"s go to sub Enda Varley limped off after 5 min with hamstring injury in Garrymore's championship encounter today.
He wasn't the 'go-to' man v the Rossies, despite 4 changes in the forwards.
Wasn't he injured before the game?
Was he?
Quote from: moysider on June 23, 2014, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2014, 11:04:32 PM
Quote from: maigheo on June 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
Seen Mayo"s go to sub Enda Varley limped off after 5 min with hamstring injury in Garrymore's championship encounter today.
He wasn't the 'go-to' man v the Rossies, despite 4 changes in the forwards.
Wasn't he injured before the game?
Was he?
I dunno, thought I heard that before the game. From the sound of things some supporters wouldn't be too cut up if Varley wasn't available.
As long as he is the go to man against Knockmore in the Championship and scores 0-5 from play again I will be happy enough.
Galway were impressive enough in spurts in Sligo led by Walsh but they are vulnerable in a defense that Sligo failed to test properly.
Boyle should be able to shackle Walsh and anyhow the game v Sligo was won at mid-field where Curran was able to lord everything uncontested.
I know this will sound mad for some of our lads on here but I would like to see Sweeney or Dillion in on Hanley. He is too slow on the turn and either of those lads would have the measure of him.
Galway been Galway will now be judged on how good they were the last day (i.e. the SG lads) and not on how poor Sligo were.
Sligo were inept on their own kick-outs (i counted 3 turnovers that led to Galway points) and they had no plan whatsoever going forward and the manager left the midfield area in deficit too long. One wonders what managers are at sometimes? It was obvious after 10 minutes that Sligo should have had their number 13 moving up the field for short kick outs but they kept persisting with pumping the ball down the middle and were beaten 80% of the time.
We should win this game in Castlebar. I'd be worried if it was Salthill though.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 23, 2014, 08:33:05 AM
As long as he is the go to man against Knockmore in the Championship and scores 0-5 from play again I will be happy enough.
So long as he's on the losing team that day, I'll be happy enough!
Will Galway bate Mayo?
I wonder will there be more Rossie posts on here than Mayo/Galway posts
Up Mayo
I'd be very upset if we lost
Mayo 1/7, Galway 4/1 is the bookies line for this, Mayo rightly are big favourites at home.
Well, we are finally back in a Connacht final. Mayo rightly favourites.
Galway have learned from last few years. That annihilation last year against Mayo has helped us take a proper look at ourselves. Mulholland has brought in players that mightn't have the technical attributes of a Nicky Joyce, however they are well prepared to win the dirty ball. Lads like Eddie Hoare, Michael Lundy, James Kavanagh and Damien Comer all have a bit more bite to them than last year.
Our midfield looked good against Sligo, but Mayo's midfield are probably the best in the country so it'll be a totally different test. Last year in Pearse stadium we came undone on the breaking ball and short kick outs. I'm not sure if Flynn and O'Curraoin will have the strength or the mobility for the O'Sheas. It'll be an interesting battle, and Hoare or Conroy coming back into the middle for the kick outs and breaking ball will help us out.
It'll be interesting to see whether Mulholland goes for Conroy, Kavanagh and Armstrong to start. Personally I'd like to see Conroy in there. However I haven't seen enough from Armstrong in last few years to warrant inclusion. Two of three in Kavanagh, Lundy and Hoare then. I thought Hoare and Lundy were very good so it'll be a difficult call. I'm not entirely convinced by Bradshaw either. I think he leaves us very open, and his shot and pass selection is questionable.
M Breathnach; D O'Neill, F Hanley, J Moore; G Bradshaw, G O'Donnell, P Varley; F O'Curraoin, T Flynn; M Lundy, S Walsh, E Hoare; M Martin, P Conroy, D Cummins.
Mayo 1/7 to win this win. I'd make the handicap 7 points.
We have nothing to lose so long as we show some fight and can go up to McHale and give Mayo a bit of a rattle. Not a bad position to be in a year on from the darkest day I've known as a Galway supporter.
If Galway are 4/1, the spread will be 4 pts
Mayo @ 1/7 is stupid. I would happily lay them at that, in fact I'd lay them at 1/5 , for the simple reason the odds will come down dramatically by ht in runnin.
Mayo will be 8/13 at half time.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2014, 01:59:25 PM
Mayo @ 1/7 is stupid. I would happily lay them at that, in fact I'd lay them at 1/5 , for the simple reason the odds will come down dramatically by ht in runnin.
Mayo will be 8/13 at half time.
1/7 is a bit like the prices Spain were at before their first game.
If we can stop Mayo from scoring a goal we might get within 4-5 points, that's a big if though.
Not convinced at all by Tierney although the Mayo game will be a stronger test and we'll know more about him after the game. Its a big game for Bradshaw, once again I thought he was very sloppy in possession against Sligo on numerous occasions.
A big game for Martin too, he lacks pace and can be very inconsistent in front of the posts. Eddie Hoare won a fair bit of primary possession and breaking ball but he's a bit limited when in possession, needs to move it on quicker but in all honestly he's a player I've not seen much of so might be a bit quick to judge. I suppose Conroy may well take his position for the next day though. I hope Shane Walsh stays at 11 though, the lad has the ability to be one of the best players in the country inside the next few years.
Were on the way up although still think were hindered by our current manager, I'm very worried our defence will exposed not to the extent of last year but still think we could be beat very comfortably. Sligo in the first half found it far too easy to get scores, the second half we did it make it more difficult for them.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 23, 2014, 02:35:30 PM
If we can stop Mayo from scoring a goal we might get within 4-5 points, that's a big if though.
Not convinced at all by Tierney although the Mayo game will be a stronger test and we'll know more about him after the game. Its a big game for Bradshaw, once again I thought he was very sloppy in possession against Sligo on numerous occasions.
A big game for Martin too, he lacks pace and can be very inconsistent in front of the posts. Eddie Hoare won a fair bit of primary possession and breaking ball but he's a bit limited when in possession, needs to move it on quicker but in all honestly he's a player I've not seen much of so might be a bit quick to judge. I suppose Conroy may well take his position for the next day though. I hope Shane Walsh stays at 11 though, the lad has the ability to be one of the best players in the country inside the next few years.
Were on the way up although still think were hindered by our current manager, I'm very worried our defence will exposed not to the extent of last year but still think we could be beat very comfortably. Sligo in the first half found it far too easy to get scores, the second half we did it make it more difficult for them.
We better not type this one to death or we' ll have nawthin to talk about in duffys the sat night before , mr M C. ( am I right) ?
Am i right
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down.
I don't think those arrows will cross this year though. Mayo still have an awful lot of experience and physical development in the bank that this Galway team just don't have yet. Especially having to play Mayo up in Castlebar. If Galway are even competitive it would probably hold them in good stead for the next few years coming.
Not sure how they will manage that though. We have never been the best at applying a defensive gameplan but if you don't do that do you just tell them to go out and attack and play it open and risk Mayo waltzing in for a couple of early goals to kill the game.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Beyond Danny Cummins and Shane Walsh I don't know who of that Galway forward pack would even be making the Mayo rotation. Maybe Conroy if he's fit. I assume Galway will look to the Roscommon and Tyrone games as guides but surely to God Mayo will wise up and eventually adapt too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Galway have the opportunity to learn a lot from Mayo this time around and use it in the future when they'll be a bit better.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2014, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Beyond Danny Cummins and Shane Walsh I don't know who of that Galway forward pack would even be making the Mayo rotation. Maybe Conroy if he's fit. I assume Galway will look to the Roscommon and Tyrone games as guides but surely to God Mayo will wise up and eventually adapt too.
If Mayo had a couple of Galway's fancy dan forwards they'd be going for 3 in a row.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2014, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Beyond Danny Cummins and Shane Walsh I don't know who of that Galway forward pack would even be making the Mayo rotation. Maybe Conroy if he's fit. I assume Galway will look to the Roscommon and Tyrone games as guides but surely to God Mayo will wise up and eventually adapt too.
Kavanagh will probably be available but he's a bit hit or miss. Can either be anonymous or he can start kicking them over from all angles.
Conroy having come on late in the game should be available. Not sure who drops out though? Lundy does a lot of donkey work from wing forward. Damien Comer I guess as he was only a late replacement for Kavanagh yesterday. Hoare has done fairly well but Conroy could take his place.
At the back I think Bradshaw had more possessions than anyone yesterday but always seems to have a mistake or two in him coming out of defence. Just sloppy at times. He also seems to be carrying a bit of timber. He's gotten some stick in the past but Gary O'Donnell has actually done a decent job at centre-back since he was moved there. Tierney would probably move to the bench if either Joss Moore recovers from injury or Duane is allowed back into the squad.
I don't genuinely think we will trouble Mayo this year.
They are still a nice bit ahead of us yet.I do think we have the ability to be a good side over the next few seasons though which is progress for us.
I'd be worried about the two corner backs in all honesty.I don't think our defence as a whole is solid enough as was shown repeated during the league.
I think Conroy will probably come into the team for Comer the next day.
Armstrong and Kavanagh will probably both be held in reserve.
It's vital though that we are competitive now on the Connacht final.
A performance even in defeat would set us up for a big 70 minutes to make Croker on the August bank holiday weekend!
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2014, 03:38:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Beyond Danny Cummins and Shane Walsh I don't know who of that Galway forward pack would even be making the Mayo rotation. Maybe Conroy if he's fit. I assume Galway will look to the Roscommon and Tyrone games as guides but surely to God Mayo will wise up and eventually adapt too.
If Mayo had a couple of Galway's fancy dan forwards they'd be going for 3 in a row.
Shaneen Walsh is the only one in the classical Fancy Dan mould, though. The years have took their toll on the Galway swagger.
Kavanagh is a good player but like you said GBB, he's a Kildare man when presented with the posts.
Walsh is the type of player you would pay in to watch. Outrageously skillful and has that languid casual style that is very easy on the eye.
However he's still only 20. To expect him to be the main man and conduct the entire forward line is a lot to ask of a 20 year old. Especially now that his name is out there and opposing teams are going to be looking to target him with a few early reducers.
What's worse is that Eugene McGee has given his the kiss of death in the Indo today.
QuoteMayo the acid test for rising star Walsh
Eugene McGee
Whenever Galway have a good football team their fans expect a bit of class to predominate. Since the three-in-a-row days of the 1960s up to John O'Mahony's time, when they won two more All-Irelands with class players like Michael Donnellan and a host of others, Galway people expect to have such players.
Unfortunately, these type of players have been conspicuous by their absence in recent years but it was fairly likely that after the county won two U-21 titles in 2011 and 2013 some new stars would appear on the horizon.
On Saturday evening in Sligo, we found at least one in centre-forward Shane Walsh, whose overall personal and team performance was first-class. Such a player, capable of dominating a championship game away from home, can inspire other colleagues and that is exactly what happened. Walsh had the perfect combination of scoring power with his six points including a '45, two frees and three from play, a fine example of overall skill, although the favourable conditions on a balmy June evening certainly helped Walsh and his colleagues.
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When we look at the overall performance of the Galway team, a more balanced assessment of their ability is forthcoming. This is no super Galway team, not even a great team in the making at this stage, and when they face Mayo in three weeks' time we will be better placed to decide if Galway are really on the way back.
RUTHLESS
Certainly the Mayo defence, hardened and ruthless as they now are, will severely curtail the freedom Galway enjoyed from a rather poor Sligo backline. That said, even under the benign conditions Galway enjoyed from their opponents, they still too often seemed to shun direct football in favour of the modern plague of an orgy of short passing in the middle third of the field.
What is it with so many teams who indulge this rather pointless carry-on when they have the option of kicking the ball 40 or 50 metres further towards their opponents' goals?
We saw a supreme example of this travesty of football in the Antrim-Donegal game yesterday also and, for the unfortunate television viewers and those who attended, this sort of football is extremely annoying, apart from diehard supporters who are only interested in winning the game, no matter how that is achieved.
Galway's cause was helped greatly by the absence of a cutting edge among the Sligo players. For instance, in the first half, the home team got more than enough possession to win this game but the full-forward line alone kicked six wides and they had eight in total in the first half when the wind was behind them. It was obvious that Galway would devote special attention to Sligo's star forward David Kelly and so it proved when he was confined to just one point from play. Particularly with average or below-average county teams such as Sligo are right now, a far greater team effort is required to lay the groundwork for your best forward to achieve his maximum return. Sadly, I have many times seen this precept neglected by players and managers with the result that the quality forward is often smothered by defenders and left to struggle.
The other outstanding prospect for the Galway senior team is midfielder Fiontain O Currain, who has already shown his ability at senior and university level and seems sure to anchor that area of the field in the coming years.
There are several others too who looked the part based on Saturday's performances but only when they have to confront Mayo in Castlebar will it be known what the real prospects are for Alan Mulholland's team.
Is 11 even his best position, I wonder? Always struck me as an inside forward. Of the Galway U21 starting FF line from last year I'd go as far as to say he's the worst passer of the lot, though the other two were excellent. I'd be more afraid of him with the ball close to the goal, though maybe Mulholland wants to get him the ball with space to run, it'd be three-on-two in the FF line at best in most IC matches.
Oh gawd Eugene my geee is really rubbing his hands at the prospect of Mayo losing to Galway. What a Tosser that man is.
Oh and syf , Shane Walsh is a number 11 all day long , made for the 40 , a class act who will be a big star.
Eugene is right about the conditions though.
Could he do it on a wet day in the Hyde with the grass up over his knees?
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2014, 04:34:49 PM
Is 11 even his best position, I wonder? Always struck me as an inside forward. Of the Galway U21 starting FF line from last year I'd go as far as to say he's the worst passer of the lot, though the other two were excellent. I'd be more afraid of him with the ball close to the goal, though maybe Mulholland wants to get him the ball with space to run, it'd be three-on-two in the FF line at best in most IC matches.
He played very deep in the U-21 final against Cork in 2013. He didn't actually score all that much from what I remember in that game but a lot of his long passes from deep were scored by others.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 23, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Eugene is right about the conditions though.
Could he do it on a wet day in the Hyde with the grass up over his knees?
I wouldn't insult grass by calling what's at the Hyde grass.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 23, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Walsh is the type of player you would pay in to watch. Outrageously skillful and has that languid casual style that is very easy on the eye.
However he's still only 20. To expect him to be the main man and conduct the entire forward line is a lot to ask of a 20 year old. Especially now that his name is out there and opposing teams are going to be looking to target him with a few early reducers.
What's worse is that Eugene McGee has given his the kiss of death in the Indo today.
QuoteMayo the acid test for rising star Walsh
Eugene McGee
Whenever Galway have a good football team their fans expect a bit of class to predominate. Since the three-in-a-row days of the 1960s up to John O'Mahony's time, when they won two more All-Irelands with class players like Michael Donnellan and a host of others, Galway people expect to have such players.
Unfortunately, these type of players have been conspicuous by their absence in recent years but it was fairly likely that after the county won two U-21 titles in 2011 and 2013 some new stars would appear on the horizon.
On Saturday evening in Sligo, we found at least one in centre-forward Shane Walsh, whose overall personal and team performance was first-class. Such a player, capable of dominating a championship game away from home, can inspire other colleagues and that is exactly what happened. Walsh had the perfect combination of scoring power with his six points including a '45, two frees and three from play, a fine example of overall skill, although the favourable conditions on a balmy June evening certainly helped Walsh and his colleagues.
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When we look at the overall performance of the Galway team, a more balanced assessment of their ability is forthcoming. This is no super Galway team, not even a great team in the making at this stage, and when they face Mayo in three weeks' time we will be better placed to decide if Galway are really on the way back.
RUTHLESS
Certainly the Mayo defence, hardened and ruthless as they now are, will severely curtail the freedom Galway enjoyed from a rather poor Sligo backline. That said, even under the benign conditions Galway enjoyed from their opponents, they still too often seemed to shun direct football in favour of the modern plague of an orgy of short passing in the middle third of the field.
What is it with so many teams who indulge this rather pointless carry-on when they have the option of kicking the ball 40 or 50 metres further towards their opponents' goals?
We saw a supreme example of this travesty of football in the Antrim-Donegal game yesterday also and, for the unfortunate television viewers and those who attended, this sort of football is extremely annoying, apart from diehard supporters who are only interested in winning the game, no matter how that is achieved.
Galway's cause was helped greatly by the absence of a cutting edge among the Sligo players. For instance, in the first half, the home team got more than enough possession to win this game but the full-forward line alone kicked six wides and they had eight in total in the first half when the wind was behind them. It was obvious that Galway would devote special attention to Sligo's star forward David Kelly and so it proved when he was confined to just one point from play. Particularly with average or below-average county teams such as Sligo are right now, a far greater team effort is required to lay the groundwork for your best forward to achieve his maximum return. Sadly, I have many times seen this precept neglected by players and managers with the result that the quality forward is often smothered by defenders and left to struggle.
The other outstanding prospect for the Galway senior team is midfielder Fiontain O Currain, who has already shown his ability at senior and university level and seems sure to anchor that area of the field in the coming years.
There are several others too who looked the part based on Saturday's performances but only when they have to confront Mayo in Castlebar will it be known what the real prospects are for Alan Mulholland's team.
The annual Galway wankfest by likes of McGee and O Rourke continues. I m glad the c***ts hate us.
So true, my gee is the worst, I find him laughable tbh, the passion he puts into patronising Mayo football is rather amusing more than anything else.
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When we look at the overall performance of the Galway team, a more balanced assessment of their ability is forthcoming. This is no super Galway team, not even a great team in the making at this stage, and when they face Mayo in three weeks' time we will be better placed to decide if Galway are really on the way back.
Certainly the Mayo defence, hardened and ruthless as they now are, will severely curtail the freedom Galway enjoyed from a rather poor Sligo backline.
Did you Mayo lads even read the article? McGee is holding judgement on Galway and reading between the lines he isn't expecting Mayo to get beaten in this Connacht final.
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The other outstanding prospect for the Galway senior team is midfielder Fiontain O Currain, who has already shown his ability at senior and university level and seems sure to anchor that area of the field in the coming years.
I'm open to correction but i think Moyna had Fiontain O Currain on the bench in the Sigerson cup games this year?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
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When we look at the overall performance of the Galway team, a more balanced assessment of their ability is forthcoming. This is no super Galway team, not even a great team in the making at this stage, and when they face Mayo in three weeks' time we will be better placed to decide if Galway are really on the way back.
Certainly the Mayo defence, hardened and ruthless as they now are, will severely curtail the freedom Galway enjoyed from a rather poor Sligo backline.
Did you Mayo lads even read the article? McGee is holding judgement on Galway and reading between the lines he isn't expecting Mayo to get beaten in this Connacht final.
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The other outstanding prospect for the Galway senior team is midfielder Fiontain O Currain, who has already shown his ability at senior and university level and seems sure to anchor that area of the field in the coming years.
I'm open to correction but i think Moyna had Fiontain O Currain on the bench in the Sigerson cup games this year?
To be fair to the doc he had Enda Smith on the bench too. Wasn't naming his best team.
"Did you Mayo lads even read the article? McGee is holding judgement on Galway and reading between the lines he isn't expecting Mayo to get beaten in this Connacht final."
Ahh he's always playing them up and constantly using high stool yap to analyse Mayo teams and using teams of the past to somehow add weight to his conclusions on Mayo team of the present.the tone he uses when expressing his opinion on Mayo borders on anger , he just doesn't like us, there are a few of them about, Liam Hayes another, barney rock the jaw breaker too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Well Galway could go in only one direction from last year even though their league form was iffy enough and looked odds on to be relegated at one stage. Sligo escaped relegation to div4 and it s a long time since I remember morale in Sligo so low. Pre- O Hara probably. Some die hards I know didn t even go to last Saturday s game and were bemused I d bother going.
The reality is it is difficult to know who is going where from game to game. Derry were going places 6 weeks ago and look at them now. Tyrone looked bright in the league and have started to groan. Donegal were given the last rites last August but look in rude good health again. Cork are a lot of people s squeeze to be Dublin s biggest threat but almost crumbled v Tipp. Kerry had their most trouble in Clare game since Paul Galvin tried to steal the referee s bookeen and pencil.
We still can t be sure where Mayo are at or indeed what they are at. But from what we ve seen Galway at 4/1 has to be snapped up. We have to assume that they ll have to set up like Roscommon and Tyrone did. It s not Galway s way and I don t know if Mulholland has what it takes to set them up though, that s the only caveat. Because they had so much ball v Sligo and Sligo played so many behind the ball Galway did not have to play a defensive game. Can they do it as a once off? This type of game would be foreign to these lads who came off the fields at Jarlaths.
But if Galway can hound our runners and win as many breaks in middle third as the Rossies did we d be poxed to get out of jail again.
Unlless Mayo can find another way if the runners are stopped. So far the ball into the ff line has not been good enough when we are forced to kick ball in. Also the inside men don t put the fear of God into the opposition. If I was Galway manager I d concentrate on stopping runners with numbers around the middle and trust my markers 1 on 1 at the back. All going to plan Galway would then have a very good chance of outgunning us at the other end.
I ll keep my powder dry on final predictions until I see the Mayo team. At the begining of the year I expected us to be 20% improved on last year but now I m not so sure. The developments to the team I expected has not happened and we re basically going to try and solve things with the same approach that has failed before.
Last Saturday evening Sligo had more men with Connacht medals playing than Galway had which must be some kind of record. So on experience and physicality alone Mayo have a head start. Throw in home advantage and there should be a considerable advantage. Then there is the lure of a historic 4 in a row. So it should boil down to Mayo getting selection and game plan right and bringing an intensity to proceedings that Galway have not experienced before. Take the likes of Shane Walsh out of his comfort zone and make him track back all day long if we can.
We ve been sloppy and not very clever in many games this year. We ve had 3 good kicks up the hole. We got shown up by Dublin XIV, Derry XIV was embarrassing at the end and Roscommon was a wake up call as well. So if we re still struggling for the Galway game the outlook will not be good alright.
Excellent post Moysider . You hit the nail on the head there , if you stop our runners we are limited , the lack of quality ball to the inside line v Ross was shocking till Andy came on and kev mc moved out.
What on earth he has mcgloughlin stuck in the fookin corner for is beyond reason. The man is a born dirty ball winner, a mighty bit of stuff jinkin his way through hb lines and crowded middle areas.
I'm not sold on freeman unlike the masses . I'd still go with something different, Gavin Duffy on the square , Evan Regan in one of the corners via Shannon airport too.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2014, 10:01:32 PM
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When we look at the overall performance of the Galway team, a more balanced assessment of their ability is forthcoming. This is no super Galway team, not even a great team in the making at this stage, and when they face Mayo in three weeks' time we will be better placed to decide if Galway are really on the way back.
Certainly the Mayo defence, hardened and ruthless as they now are, will severely curtail the freedom Galway enjoyed from a rather poor ;D Mayo to get beaten in this Connacht final.[/b]Quote
The other outstanding prospect for the Galway senior team is midfielder Fiontain O Currain, who has already shown his ability at senior and university level and seems sure to anchor that area of the field in the coming years.
I'm open to correction but i think Moyna had Fiontain O Currain on the bench in the Sigerson cup games this year?
f**k that. I m not going to let facts get in the way of my bitterness with a twisted hack.
Ciarán McDonald was skillfull player with a great career but he never wrote a complimentary line about him. Mayo have produced several 100% players last 30 years but he has always tarred them all with the same brush - yellow livered.
I hope he lives long enough to see Mayo win an AI ;D ;D
Seriously though, I wish the man well. I don t have to read his stuff if I don t like it. Same as I don t have to read the shite Hayes wtites or Roy Curtis or Barney Rock or whever. Best of luck to them. They can hate who they want afaic.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
Excellent post Moysider . You hit the nail on the head there , if you stop our runners we are limited , the lack of quality ball to the inside line v Ross was shocking till Andy came on and kev mc moved out.
What on earth he has mcgloughlin stuck in the fookin corner for is beyond reason. The man is a born dirty ball winner, a mighty bit of stuff jinkin his way through hb lines and crowded middle areas.
I'm not sold on freeman unlike the masses . I'd still go with something different, Gavin Duffy on the square , Evan Regan in one of the corners via Shannon airport too.
Ssssshhhhh! Just get behind the team!
You ll have to wait for House of Pain 2 to get any answers like everybody else. Patience man. You ve been around long enough to know that if you were around in '89. Just bring your flag along to McHale Park the next day.
So we have the EL Classico Connacht final. For the next couple of weeks we will get the usual themes from Breheny, Magee, O'Rourke et al. They will talk about the beautiful game and how only Galway play it properly. How Galway are the only team that represent Connacht properly and that it is a waste when the rest (mainly Mayo) get a go. Galway always have great forwards and are winners. Year on year, the young Galway players coming through are talked up. Although Galway have been average (and that's putting it mildly), They get little or no stick from the media. I suppose for Galway players over the last couple of years it has held it's own weight of burden, as these teams can not live up to this myth. Still year on year Galway get a clean slate to start on from the media. On the other hand Mayo carry the burden of history, no matter how good the progress from the year before.
Anyway rant over. I think we will win with a bit to spare, but not as much to spare as last year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2014, 12:19:51 AM
So we have the EL Classico Connacht final. For the next couple of weeks we will get the usual themes from Breheny, Magee, O'Rourke et al. They will talk about the beautiful game and how only Galway play it properly. How Galway are the only team that represent Connacht properly and that it is a waste when the rest (mainly Mayo) get a go. Galway always have great forwards and are winners. Year on year, the young Galway players coming through are talked up. Although Galway have been average (and that's putting it mildly), They get little or no stick from the media. I suppose for Galway players over the last couple of years it has held it's own weight of burden, as these teams can not live up to this myth. Still year on year Galway get a clean slate to start on from the media. On the other hand Mayo carry the burden of history, no matter how good the progress from the year before.
Anyway rant over. I think we will win with a bit to spare, but not as much to spare as last year.
Mommy and Daddy are at it again.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2014, 12:19:51 AM
So we have the EL Classico Connacht final. For the next couple of weeks we will get the usual themes from Breheny, Magee, O'Rourke et al. They will talk about the beautiful game and how only Galway play it properly. How Galway are the only team that represent Connacht properly and that it is a waste when the rest (mainly Mayo) get a go. Galway always have great forwards and are winners. Year on year, the young Galway players coming through are talked up. Although Galway have been average (and that's putting it mildly), They get little or no stick from the media. I suppose for Galway players over the last couple of years it has held it's own weight of burden, as these teams can not live up to this myth. Still year on year Galway get a clean slate to start on from the media. On the other hand Mayo carry the burden of history, no matter how good the progress from the year before.
Anyway rant over. I think we will win with a bit to spare, but not as much to spare as last year.
O Rourke actually opted again last year that Galway would beat us. Because Galway is on the up and we re heading to oblivion he ll have to predict a landslide victory for Galway if he has any consistency left at all. After all Galway are on the ways up.
What a lot of neutrals forget is that the '98 result was against the head. Mayo half clued in would have won comfortably. Even though Galway got a couple AIs their results against us were against the head. I remember O Rourke trying to explain the 99 result away. Pathetic analysis. Likes of Nallen, Horan and McDonald were awesome that day.
For Mayo people that are getting weak at the prospect of facing Shane Walsh there is a bit of hope. Like s of Michael Donnellan, Ja, Michael Meehan and even Padraic Joyce had more joy and better performances against other counties than against Mayo. We usually did well on them - well we did until the Fr. Pats and Johns were about. I remember an unknown Alan Roache giving Ja the full of it and Roundy Geraghty ruining Michael Meehan s day a few times too. Then there was the day that a young James Nallen brought a player manager around the field for a spin. We ve a chance yet.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
To be fair to the doc he had Enda Smith on the bench too. Wasn't naming his best team.
Or not knowing what his best team was. If Billy Morgan was DCU manager they would probably have won the last four sigerson cups.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2014, 10:18:37 PM
Ahh he's always playing them up and constantly using high stool yap to analyse Mayo teams and using teams of the past to somehow add weight to his conclusions on Mayo team of the present.the tone he uses when expressing his opinion on Mayo borders on anger , he just doesn't like us, there are a few of them about, Liam Hayes another, barney rock the jaw breaker too.
No real evidence in the above article however McGee certainly stirred the pot about Mayo during league after the Derry game i think.
In fairness the comment you made around the same time wasn't much better than his.
Quote from: larryin89 on April 14, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Enda Varley, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman not good enough. Freeman is a coward, Andy is just not up to it anymore but has been a great servant to Mayo football, Varley , he really is just not good enough,sin e. Doc , borderline. Horan himself has brought them as far as he can.mAbsolutely nothing more to give, it's exhausted like our general tactic in play.
I wish he was right about Andy.
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2014, 12:19:51 AM
So we have the EL Classico Connacht final. For the next couple of weeks we will get the usual themes from Breheny, Magee, O'Rourke et al. They will talk about the beautiful game and how only Galway play it properly. How Galway are the only team that represent Connacht properly and that it is a waste when the rest (mainly Mayo) get a go. Galway always have great forwards and are winners. Year on year, the young Galway players coming through are talked up. Although Galway have been average (and that's putting it mildly), They get little or no stick from the media. I suppose for Galway players over the last couple of years it has held it's own weight of burden, as these teams can not live up to this myth. Still year on year Galway get a clean slate to start on from the media. On the other hand Mayo carry the burden of history, no matter how good the progress from the year before.
Anyway rant over. I think we will win with a bit to spare, but not as much to spare as last year.
O Rourke actually opted again last year that Galway would beat us. Because Galway is on the up and we re heading to oblivion he ll have to predict a landslide victory for Galway if he has any consistency left at all. After all Galway are on the ways up.
What a lot of neutrals forget is that the '98 result was against the head. Mayo half clued in would have won comfortably. Even though Galway got a couple AIs their results against us were against the head. I remember O Rourke trying to explain the 99 result away. Pathetic analysis. Likes of Nallen, Horan and McDonald were awesome that day.
For Mayo people that are getting weak at the prospect of facing Shane Walsh there is a bit of hope. Like s of Michael Donnellan, Ja, Michael Meehan and even Padraic Joyce had more joy and better performances against other counties than against Mayo. We usually did well on them - well we did until the Fr. Pats and Johns were about. I remember an unknown Alan Roache giving Ja the full of it and Roundy Geraghty ruining Michael Meehan s day a few times too. Then there was the day that a young James Nallen brought a player manager around the field for a spin. We ve a chance yet.
I don't think I've ever seen so much nonsense in one post. Mayo were favourites for that clash based on them being All Ireland finalists the previous years. However the better team won that day away from home, by a comfortable 4 pts, a result that was a mild surprise at the time but was subsequently shown to be a very accurate reflection of the teams abilities, given that Mayo could only beat Galway once in a 7 year spell from late 97 to 04. The Galway loss in 99 came about as a result of a hangover from the All Ireland win that ended such a drought.
The soft All Ireland claim is laughable. In 01 Galway had to beat the 02 winners Armagh, a good Cork side, the Connacht champions away from home, the Ulster champions , and the Leinster champions who had just demolished Kerry. The previous year they confirmed their form over Kildare by again beating them in a semi, before being the width of a crossbar away from another AI. This was again with their best player missing through injury and their second best player playing with meninjitis, while Kevin Walsh wasn't deemed fit enough to start. There's absolutely nothing soft or handy in what that side achieved in that period. If anything with better management and luck with injuries they'd have won more
Jaysus lads some amount of scutter being written here. I could pick out the individual nuggets but can't be bothered. Some of it actually made me laugh out loud (LOL) as the kids say.
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2014, 12:19:51 AM
So we have the EL Classico Connacht final. For the next couple of weeks we will get the usual themes from Breheny, Magee, O'Rourke et al. They will talk about the beautiful game and how only Galway play it properly. How Galway are the only team that represent Connacht properly and that it is a waste when the rest (mainly Mayo) get a go. Galway always have great forwards and are winners. Year on year, the young Galway players coming through are talked up. Although Galway have been average (and that's putting it mildly), They get little or no stick from the media. I suppose for Galway players over the last couple of years it has held it's own weight of burden, as these teams can not live up to this myth. Still year on year Galway get a clean slate to start on from the media. On the other hand Mayo carry the burden of history, no matter how good the progress from the year before.
Anyway rant over. I think we will win with a bit to spare, but not as much to spare as last year.
O Rourke actually opted again last year that Galway would beat us. Because Galway is on the up and we re heading to oblivion he ll have to predict a landslide victory for Galway if he has any consistency left at all. After all Galway are on the ways up.
What a lot of neutrals forget is that the '98 result was against the head. Mayo half clued in would have won comfortably. Even though Galway got a couple AIs their results against us were against the head. I remember O Rourke trying to explain the 99 result away. Pathetic analysis. Likes of Nallen, Horan and McDonald were awesome that day.
For Mayo people that are getting weak at the prospect of facing Shane Walsh there is a bit of hope. Like s of Michael Donnellan, Ja, Michael Meehan and even Padraic Joyce had more joy and better performances against other counties than against Mayo. We usually did well on them - well we did until the Fr. Pats and Johns were about. I remember an unknown Alan Roache giving Ja the full of it and Roundy Geraghty ruining Michael Meehan s day a few times too. Then there was the day that a young James Nallen brought a player manager around the field for a spin. We ve a chance yet.
There was very little between the 2 teams in the late 90s, Moysider. Mayo were good enough to win an all Ireland but they didn't get the breaks and Galway got Kildare. People only remember the winners. I thought Nallen and co would win eventually. They definitely had the pedigree.
Christ above can we be get back to this years game?
Lot of paranoia on here...
Bottom line - Mayo are justifiably favourites & are the stronger side so they should win.
That's just being realistic.we have some good players but equally we have plenty of weaknesses and are not defensively solid enough.
PS moy - you have the wrong Shrule Geraghty there.
Trust me Roundy never played corner back in his life :-)
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 24, 2014, 03:34:10 AM
Jaysus lads some amount of scutter being written here. I could pick out the individual nuggets but can't be bothered. Some of it actually made me laugh out loud (LOL) as the kids say.
You said it.
Quote from: galwayman on June 24, 2014, 09:11:18 AM
Christ above can we be get back to this years game?
Lot of paranoia on here...
Bottom line - Mayo are justifiably favourites & are the stronger side so they should win.
That's just being realistic.we have some good players but equally we have plenty of weaknesses and are not defensively solid enough.
PS moy - you have the wrong Shrule Geraghty there.
Trust me Roundy never played corner back in his life :-)
Dermot Geraghty
Who is the best man to man mark young Walsh from Galway? Say he goes with Boyle, do you tell him, stay with Walsh old fashioned style and forget your dashing forward ? Would this hinder our play or would it be to our advantage to have Walsh mythered by Boyle all day long?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 23, 2014, 02:35:30 PM
If we can stop Mayo from scoring a goal we might get within 4-5 points, that's a big if though.
Not convinced at all by Tierney although the Mayo game will be a stronger test and we'll know more about him after the game. Its a big game for Bradshaw, once again I thought he was very sloppy in possession against Sligo on numerous occasions.
A big game for Martin too, he lacks pace and can be very inconsistent in front of the posts. Eddie Hoare won a fair bit of primary possession and breaking ball but he's a bit limited when in possession, needs to move it on quicker but in all honestly he's a player I've not seen much of so might be a bit quick to judge. I suppose Conroy may well take his position for the next day though. I hope Shane Walsh stays at 11 though, the lad has the ability to be one of the best players in the country inside the next few years.
Were on the way up although still think were hindered by our current manager, I'm very worried our defence will exposed not to the extent of last year but still think we could be beat very comfortably. Sligo in the first half found it far too easy to get scores, the second half we did it make it more difficult for them.
We better not type this one to death or we' ll have nawthin to talk about in duffys the sat night before , mr M C. ( am I right) ?
Am i right
You're right although I'm not getting too carried away.
Our potential draw for the qualifiers looks very favourable so I'd be happy with a good performance that would lead us nicely into the qualifiers. At the beginning of the year I'd have been delighted to make the final 8. I'm not convinced about Mulholland at all but the next few games will decide whether he stays on.
Quote from: moysider on June 23, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Galway are indeed as Maroon Manc put it a team on the way up. I think Mayo, based on all the evidence of seeing most of their matches this year are a team on the way down. If Galway's defence organises itself well the next day, they may have the firepower up front to win this game. I think those odds are ridiculous to be honest.
Well Galway could go in only one direction from last year even though their league form was iffy enough and looked odds on to be relegated at one stage. Sligo escaped relegation to div4 and it s a long time since I remember morale in Sligo so low. Pre- O Hara probably. Some die hards I know didn t even go to last Saturday s game and were bemused I d bother going.
The reality is it is difficult to know who is going where from game to game. Derry were going places 6 weeks ago and look at them now. Tyrone looked bright in the league and have started to groan. Donegal were given the last rites last August but look in rude good health again. Cork are a lot of people s squeeze to be Dublin s biggest threat but almost crumbled v Tipp. Kerry had their most trouble in Clare game since Paul Galvin tried to steal the referee s bookeen and pencil.
We still can t be sure where Mayo are at or indeed what they are at. But from what we ve seen Galway at 4/1 has to be snapped up. We have to assume that they ll have to set up like Roscommon and Tyrone did. It s not Galway s way and I don t know if Mulholland has what it takes to set them up though, that s the only caveat. Because they had so much ball v Sligo and Sligo played so many behind the ball Galway did not have to play a defensive game. Can they do it as a once off? This type of game would be foreign to these lads who came off the fields at Jarlaths.
But if Galway can hound our runners and win as many breaks in middle third as the Rossies did we d be poxed to get out of jail again.
Unlless Mayo can find another way if the runners are stopped. So far the ball into the ff line has not been good enough when we are forced to kick ball in. Also the inside men don t put the fear of God into the opposition. If I was Galway manager I d concentrate on stopping runners with numbers around the middle and trust my markers 1 on 1 at the back. All going to plan Galway would then have a very good chance of outgunning us at the other end.
I ll keep my powder dry on final predictions until I see the Mayo team. At the begining of the year I expected us to be 20% improved on last year but now I m not so sure. The developments to the team I expected has not happened and we re basically going to try and solve things with the same approach that has failed before.
Last Saturday evening Sligo had more men with Connacht medals playing than Galway had which must be some kind of record. So on experience and physicality alone Mayo have a head start. Throw in home advantage and there should be a considerable advantage. Then there is the lure of a historic 4 in a row. So it should boil down to Mayo getting selection and game plan right and bringing an intensity to proceedings that Galway have not experienced before. Take the likes of Shane Walsh out of his comfort zone and make him track back all day long if we can.
We ve been sloppy and not very clever in many games this year. We ve had 3 good kicks up the hole. We got shown up by Dublin XIV, Derry XIV was embarrassing at the end and Roscommon was a wake up call as well. So if we re still struggling for the Galway game the outlook will not be good alright.
The league is overrated.
Mayo have different approach this year compared to all guns blazing as per 2013.
They should win this one pulling up .
Galway are better than 2 years ago and they won't be beaten by Antrim but they are still a good bit off the pace of the big teams.
There are different arguments for the league being overrated or not. You could use the Donegal example from last year and say the signs were there in the league that they were jaded from 12 and Jimmy's constant dismissal of it's importance came back to bite him on the ass .
Dublin winning both league and championship and they are not the first to do so in recent times, Cork in 10 springs to mind , Kerry 04,06 and 09.
The league definitely has a role in your prep for sure. It depends on a lot of factors of where your team is in terms of stage of development, for example Mayo might of bowed out at the right time this year as a league final defeat to Dublin might of knocked the stuffin out of them but then again would it , or would it of stood to Mayo to give players like o Connor and young Conor o Shea , Adam Gallagher a run out in croker , big crowd, big pitch, intense match , a bit needle in it . I don't think you could argue it would be better prep for them lads before the Hyde rather than flying across the Atlantic for a no show game.
the league is a good indicator of who is the best team in the country , which is why ther have been several double in the last few years . but i dont think it generally has much bearing on the Championship .
thst especially true with stronger teams anyway, maybe not as much with paper thin squads like Donegal and derry who need all their best players to be even competitive so any lost players in te league scuppers their championship
I'm bemused by the Mayo lads focus on perceived slights from pundits, most of whom do little research on counties outside their own and the few big guns and who's whole trope is based on pulling out the same old tired clichés, complaining and giving out to each other - I'm completely bored of the usual Spillane/Brolly/O'Rourke routine at this point and I usually tune out when they are on the TV, nothing of value to be heard.
I couldn't make the match last Saturday and whatever you feel about the Sky deal (I wasn't in favour of it) it was refreshing to see some analysis on what was happening and why on the pitch the last day, I don't think that they are brilliant at it yet but to see what was a very average game presented with a semblance of analysis/insight instead of rants about the poor standard of Connacht football was a nice change for me anyway.
Anyone who has been actually attending Galway games for the past decade can easily see how far back from the top we have plummeted, I wasn't one bit surprised by the unmerciful hammering dished out in Salthill last year, getting back to respectability and competitiveness is going to be tough, no one is looking for or expecting Galway to win Connacht this year against a very good Mayo team, a big improvement on the 17 point debacle in Pearse Stadium and signs of progress is what we want to see.
Mayo since Horan has taken over are a well drilled, cynical and tough outfit who will be taking on what is, at the end of the day, a very moderate Galway outfit which is crawling their way out of the bottom tier in terms of performances and results, Mayo have beaten the All Ireland champs the past three years running and have come up just short of winning either of the last two All Ireland finals, the bottom line is that Mayo should win this fairly easily if they have anything about them.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 24, 2014, 03:42:23 PM
I couldn't make the match last Saturday and whatever you feel about the Sky deal (I wasn't in favour of it) it was refreshing to see some analysis on what was happening and why on the pitch the last day, I don't think that they are brilliant at it yet but to see what was a very average game presented with a semblance of analysis/insight instead of rants about the poor standard of Connacht football was a nice change for me anyway.
+1.
Great to see some adult analysis.
On the credit side for Galway they have won 5 of the 6 championship matches they have played since last year's hammering from Mayo and the one they lost was only by a point to Cork. They were so bad against Mayo I thought they might not win a game for the next three years. Granted some of the opposition they have beaten has been modest enough in Waterford, Tipperary, Armagh, London and Sligo. Still though they have done well to steady the ship and get it pointing in the right direction at least.
Galway finally having a solid platform in midfield has been a big help. After going years without one good midfielder we probably have 3 now in O'Curraoin, Flynn and Conroy. Conroy probably not a prototypical midfielder but he got an All-Star nomination from midfield last year so certainly can excel there.
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Spending too much time in Roscommon.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 24, 2014, 03:56:49 PM
On the credit side for Galway they have won 5 of the 6 championship matches they have played since last year's hammering from Mayo and the one they lost was only by a point to Cork. They were so bad against Mayo I thought they might not win a game for the next three years. Granted some of the opposition they have beaten has been modest enough in Waterford, Tipperary, Armagh, London and Sligo. Still though they have done well to steady the ship and get it pointing in the right direction at least.
Galway finally having a solid platform in midfield has been a big help. After going years without one good midfielder we probably have 3 now in O'Curraoin, Flynn and Conroy. Conroy probably not a prototypical midfielder but he got an All-Star nomination from midfield last year so certainly can excel there.
Its a huge game for Mulholland, tactically he's got to get it right to give the lads a chance. He's got to show he's learnt from the defeat from last year more so then the players that are still their, only 5 of the team that started against Mayo that day started against Sligo on Saturday. So that defeat shouldn't have too much impact on the players.
Will we set out like Roscommon did against Mayo? I very much doubt it, I really worry Mayo and their half back line will cause chaos, they'll likely get a lot more space than they did against Roscommon and have a greater impact on the game. Sligo found their scores very easy to come by in the first half, we can't let that happen against Mayo we'd be hammered.
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Most of us know that McHale is right though.
Quote from: muppet on June 24, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Most of us know that McHale is right though.
So youthink Ritchie should leave?
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 24, 2014, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 24, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Most of us know that McHale is right though.
So youthink Ritchie should leave?
McHale:
"With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role."
Quote from: muppet on June 24, 2014, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 24, 2014, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 24, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Most of us know that McHale is right though.
So youthink Ritchie should leave?
McHale: "With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role."
Sure even when Richie starts matches he only gets ten minutes :D
Quote from: muppet on June 24, 2014, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Surprised that Liam McHale commented on last weeks speculation around the county that Richie Feeney was on the verge of quitting. Especially the following quote.
'What does surprise me however is that Richie IS STILL IN the panel.
With the limited minutes he gets, I don t know how he has stuck at it. Coming on as a substitute just to waste time - I think Richie is way too good a player for that sort of role.'
The bit in capitals is his emphasis too. Strange.
Most of us know that McHale is right though.
Is Richie wanted in the panel do you think? I get the impression he is persona non grata and is being encouraged to leave. A bit like Conor Mortimor was.
Perhaps moy. It's not ideal though if Horan has him there on the panel and wants rid.
It's strange in the sense that feeney is the type of player you would call a Horan type player if you know what I mean .
Quote from: larryin89 on June 24, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
It's strange in the sense that feeney is the type of player you would call a Horan type player if you know what I mean .
I know what you mean. But ye know when some managers get a set on somebody they re out. Look at Sir Alex and all the top players he got rid of once they did anything to annoy them.
And there is clearly history between Feeney and Horan. I get the impression that management would sooner Feeney walked away like Conoreen did because Richie is very popular with Mayo fans and showing him the door would be messy.
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 24, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
It's strange in the sense that feeney is the type of player you would call a Horan type player if you know what I mean .
I know what you mean. But ye know when some managers get a set on somebody their out. Look at Sir Alex and all the top players he got rid of once they did anything to annoy them.
And there is clearly history between Feeney and Horan. I get the impression that management would sooner Feeney walked away like Conoreen did because Richie is very popular with Mayo fans and showing him the door would be messy.
History beyond the pre-AI final stuff last year?
Was very surprised he was one of the players talking to the media before the last game, but maybe Horan isn't deciding who can and can't make themselves available.
Quote from: Syferus on June 24, 2014, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 24, 2014, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 24, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
It's strange in the sense that feeney is the type of player you would call a Horan type player if you know what I mean .
I know what you mean. But ye know when some managers get a set on somebody their out. Look at Sir Alex and all the top players he got rid of once they did anything to annoy them.
And there is clearly history between Feeney and Horan. I get the impression that management would sooner Feeney walked away like Conoreen did because Richie is very popular with Mayo fans and showing him the door would be messy.
History beyond the pre-AI final stuff last year?
Was very surprised he was one of the players talking to the media before the last game, but maybe Horan isn't deciding who can and can't make themselves available.
That would appear to be enough history. More than enough.
QuoteI'm bemused by the Mayo lads focus on perceived slights from pundits, most of whom do little research on counties outside their own and the few big guns and who's whole trope is based on pulling out the same old tired clichés, complaining and giving out to each other - I'm completely bored of the usual Spillane/Brolly/O'Rourke routine at this point and I usually tune out when they are on the TV, nothing of value to be heard.
I couldn't make the match last Saturday and whatever you feel about the Sky deal (I wasn't in favour of it) it was refreshing to see some analysis on what was happening and why on the pitch the last day, I don't think that they are brilliant at it yet but to see what was a very average game presented with a semblance of analysis/insight instead of rants about the poor standard of Connacht football was a nice change for me anyway.
Anyone who has been actually attending Galway games for the past decade can easily see how far back from the top we have plummeted, I wasn't one bit surprised by the unmerciful hammering dished out in Salthill last year, getting back to respectability and competitiveness is going to be tough, no one is looking for or expecting Galway to win Connacht this year against a very good Mayo team, a big improvement on the 17 point debacle in Pearse Stadium and signs of progress is what we want to see.
Mayo since Horan has taken over are a well drilled, cynical and tough outfit who will be taking on what is, at the end of the day, a very moderate Galway outfit which is crawling their way out of the bottom tier in terms of performances and results, Mayo have beaten the All Ireland champs the past three years running and have come up just short of winning either of the last two All Ireland finals, the bottom line is that Mayo should win this fairly easily if they have anything about them
Your kinda guilty yourself there of lazy analysis. Did you not see the Ross game and the Derry league game.
Quote from: highorlow on June 25, 2014, 10:31:48 AM
QuoteI'm bemused by the Mayo lads focus on perceived slights from pundits, most of whom do little research on counties outside their own and the few big guns and who's whole trope is based on pulling out the same old tired clichés, complaining and giving out to each other - I'm completely bored of the usual Spillane/Brolly/O'Rourke routine at this point and I usually tune out when they are on the TV, nothing of value to be heard.
I couldn't make the match last Saturday and whatever you feel about the Sky deal (I wasn't in favour of it) it was refreshing to see some analysis on what was happening and why on the pitch the last day, I don't think that they are brilliant at it yet but to see what was a very average game presented with a semblance of analysis/insight instead of rants about the poor standard of Connacht football was a nice change for me anyway.
Anyone who has been actually attending Galway games for the past decade can easily see how far back from the top we have plummeted, I wasn't one bit surprised by the unmerciful hammering dished out in Salthill last year, getting back to respectability and competitiveness is going to be tough, no one is looking for or expecting Galway to win Connacht this year against a very good Mayo team, a big improvement on the 17 point debacle in Pearse Stadium and signs of progress is what we want to see.
Mayo since Horan has taken over are a well drilled, cynical and tough outfit who will be taking on what is, at the end of the day, a very moderate Galway outfit which is crawling their way out of the bottom tier in terms of performances and results, Mayo have beaten the All Ireland champs the past three years running and have come up just short of winning either of the last two All Ireland finals, the bottom line is that Mayo should win this fairly easily if they have anything about them
Your kinda guilty yourself there of lazy analysis. Did you not see the Ross game and the Derry league game.
I watched the Roscommon game on the TV, was in Croke Park to see both of the league semi-finals.
I wasn't impressed with Mayo performance in that Derry game admittedly but I'm not willing to say that the current, championship proven Mayo team shouldn't easily beat this Galway team based merely on those two games, at the end of the day one of them wasn't championship and the other was in inclement conditions against a Roscommon team aiming for that match all year, that were setup to stifle them as much as possible and keep the game low scoring, Mayo still found a way to eke out the win, they got nothing from the stroll through Connacht last year and I think that Roscommon match will stand to them moving forward.
Certainly if Mayo play poorly again and have trouble beating Galway in Castlebar then a reassessment of whether they are at the level of last year and the year before (or capable of getting back to it) might need to be in order but I'll take the form line of the past three years as an indicator for the moment.
It's an All Ireland or nothing for Mayo this year, another Connacht title is merely a means to get to Croke Park in as few games as possible, and then face into the first of three matches to win it for this group of players, who knows apart from those within the setup as to whether their whole year is built to peak from the August bank holiday on perhaps?
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
Are there more rumours? I thought this was put to bed.he never showed for trainnin tues after the Hyde, took the hump, Horan and himself had hugged and kissed by the weekend, sin e. ( well that's what I was told, I think I'll start punching the next person who attempts to tell me insider info that isn't true)
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
Are Mayo contenders ? Vast majority of pundits would think the ship has sailed for us. The only thing is who is out there, I mean if Dublin don't retain it this year they never will, golden opportunity with the lack of quality out there.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
Are Mayo contenders ? Vast majority of pundits would think the ship has sailed for us. The only thing is who is out there, I mean if Dublin don't retain it this year they never will, golden opportunity with the lack of quality out there.
I'd fancy Mayo and even Donegal to actually win the AI before I would Kerry or Cork. Totally possible all four flop. In a hypothetical AI-deciding match with Dublin only a revived Mayo or Donegal are mentally strong enough to win, unless Cork show something they haven't this year, last year or indeed any year since their good run of teams started, 2010 included.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
So what is it you think Horan wants to do and why is Feeney superflous to that?
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2014, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
So what is it you think Horan wants to do and why is Feeney superflous to that?
He wants to not play Richie Feeney.
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
Are ye serious or what lads?? Mort did his bit for us but it's getting way out of hand if people are even mentioning bringing him back!!
Fair play to Feeney for hanging in there when he could very easily walk away from it all, I hope he gets the return he deserves.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 25, 2014, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
Are ye serious or what lads?? Mort did his bit for us but it's getting way out of hand if people are even mentioning bringing him back!!
Fair play to Feeney for hanging in there when he could very easily walk away from it all, I hope he gets the return he deserves.
Ye haven't exactly sussed the corner spots since he's been gone. Mort's departure does fit a pattern of behaviour under Horan so I'd hope attitudes to yer all-time scorer might have mellowed a little.
Certainly worth at least 35-50 minutes a game even now had he remained on the panel but like Feeney he was frozen out. Mort over Varley/Sweeney/Conroy - he wasn't competing with Bernard Brogan for time.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2014, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
So what is it you think Horan wants to do and why is Feeney superflous to that?
He wants to not play Richie Feeney.
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
And that's the way most managers are in the modern era , they take a shine to lads and work with them, they trust them and know them . Unfortunately with Mayo down the years our best are often left out , Ciaran Mac and Johno is a prime example ,just never got on , 07 brought on in Salthill ,game was up , same up in Derry game after, then the infamous text message pre season 08 and bang mac s career cut short.
Horan is a stubborn bauld buck. Fook with him you're out. It's obvious to read his ideology on how a player should be and attacking bucks with flair and skill who don't always track back and tackle as ferocious as a defender are not his type, players that answer back are not his type, he wants his ship tight .
For the record although I am criticising Horan, he is the best thing to happen Mayo in the modern era, fight, steel, determination and pure grit that I have never seen in my 30 years watching Mayo . I support him and the squad 100% . It's just a difference in opinion in how we should be gettin over the line as I believe we were so close in this era to winning a few all Ireland's it makes u near cry with frustration .
If I got an interview with Horan I'd love him to answer a few questions for me , maybe someone here can answer the the way they think he would answer.
James, what was the deciding factor in your decision to put Kevin keane on Michael Murphy in 12 final?
Why did you decide to drop Conor Mortimer before 2012 Connacht final and had you discussed it with the highest scorer in Mayo of all time?
In 2013 you decided to cut Evan Regan a 20 year old lad at the time who was showing to be a very promising young attacker from the panel, was there a specific reason for this as a large section of Mayo supporters were very surprised at your decision?
Did you fall out with Richie feeney on the eve of the all Ireland final in 13 and was the rumour that the reason this all started was because he took a few hard hits to your fellow clubman Alan Dillon in an a vb game?
Are you trying to ostracise Richie in the hope hell walk by making an absolute tit of the man in first rd of 14 in the hyde , to add insult to previous ?
A lot of people have asked why you took off Alan freeman in the all Ireland final and come on James what did his aul fella say to ya in the city west?
During the league campaign of 14 Adam Gallagher played motm for Mayo in the first two games , put in a bad day v Kerry and bang gone , brought to New York and dropped from panel for your aging townie minutes prior to throw in, wtf is wrong with you and upcoming forward talent, do you not want them?
( I am off work this week with an injury to my arm, apologies for my ramblings)
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2014, 12:55:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 12:21:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Cork and Kerry both struggled past Tipp and Clare but no one is removing them from being contenders on that basis of that.
It is either unbridled optimism or the deepest doom with Mayo supporters.
A win is a win and if we beat Galway by their keeper dropping the ball into his own net in the 25th minute of injury time, I won't mind.
Plenty of time to find form, as long as you are still in the Championship.
I'd be more worried about the rumours regarding Feeney, Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
I don't even think Kerry are contenders in the first place and Cork are very questionable too.
It's not like losing Feeney would effect Horan in what he wants to do, he simply isn't featuring anymore.
So what is it you think Horan wants to do and why is Feeney superflous to that?
He wants to not play Richie Feeney.
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
I was thinking more tactically.
For Mayo to be realistic contenders again Horan needs to deal with the issues that have cost us. Imo 2 of these are lack of mobility in midfield against some teams and make the ff line more potent.
The lack of mobility so exposed in last years final may be solved by the presence of likes of Gibbons or Parsons. Feeney could also have a role here from a wing position. There are no obvious solutions to the other problem. Which might explain the rather desperate attempts to create a role for McLoughlin inside. If I remember correctly Adam Gallagher was played inside in the Kerry league match and disappeared without trace after >:( The young fella had got Mayo motm in the league game before when he was played in his normal position :(
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 25, 2014, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 12:05:14 PM
Horan can't afford to be losing players like Feeney to go with Regan and Mortimer. Whatever you say about any of them, that trio would hardly weaken us if they all started, never mind warmed the bench.
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
If we're talking about him naming a team of the best players available to Mayo in the positions they need them Feeney, Thriller and Regan should all be getting major game-time. I don't think it's the best thing for Mayo but it is what Horan has chosen to do.
Are ye serious or what lads?? Mort did his bit for us but it's getting way out of hand if people are even mentioning bringing him back!!
Fair play to Feeney for hanging in there when he could very easily walk away from it all, I hope he gets the return he deserves.
I wasn't beginning a campaign to bring back the two who have left or to start Richie. I was more pointing out 3 forwards who haven't been picked for whatever reason and who, I believe, could offer something looking at the current front 6.
larryin89 are you Aiden Henry
James, what was the deciding factor in your decision to put Kevin keane on Michael Murphy in 12 final?
1.Keane was the best equipped physically to deal with Murphy and Murphy had given Caff a torrid time in that years league game.I can understand Horans thinking but a cuter manager would have double teamed murphy and negated 1 of Donegals main weapons especially when we were carrying a number of passangers in the forwards that day.
On the Mort issue Mort backed Horan into a corner and had to go.Im no fan of Horan but he was 100% right on this one.
Frankly dropping Regan last year turned out to be a disaster.We went in to the AIF with our 3 best forwards injured.We can argue all day about the Regan situation but he should be starting in the corner for us hes better than any of our other options there.
My feelings on the Feeney situation are well known and its a disgrace the way he is being treated.
I dont know where to start on the Gallagher situation.
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
James, what was the deciding factor in your decision to put Kevin keane on Michael Murphy in 12 final?
1.Keane was the best equipped physically to deal with Murphy and Murphy had given Caff a torrid time in that years league game.I can understand Horans thinking but a cuter manager would have double teamed murphy and negated 1 of Donegals main weapons especially when we were carrying a number of passangers in the forwards that day.
On the Mort issue Mort backed Horan into a corner and had to go.Im no fan of Horan but he was 100% right on this one.
Frankly dropping Regan last year turned out to be a disaster.We went in to the AIF with our 3 best forwards injured.We can argue all day about the Regan situation but he should be starting in the corner for us hes better than any of our other options there.
My feelings on the Feeney situation are well known and its a disgrace the way he is being treated.
I dont know where to start on the Gallagher situation.
I agree with this 100%. The Keane on Murphy was as a result of that league game definately.
Quote from: Chimley on June 25, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 04:14:34 PM
James, what was the deciding factor in your decision to put Kevin keane on Michael Murphy in 12 final?
1.Keane was the best equipped physically to deal with Murphy and Murphy had given Caff a torrid time in that years league game.I can understand Horans thinking but a cuter manager would have double teamed murphy and negated 1 of Donegals main weapons especially when we were carrying a number of passangers in the forwards that day.
On the Mort issue Mort backed Horan into a corner and had to go.Im no fan of Horan but he was 100% right on this one.
Frankly dropping Regan last year turned out to be a disaster.We went in to the AIF with our 3 best forwards injured.We can argue all day about the Regan situation but he should be starting in the corner for us hes better than any of our other options there.
My feelings on the Feeney situation are well known and its a disgrace the way he is being treated.
I dont know where to start on the Gallagher situation.
I agree with this 100%. The Keane on Murphy was as a result of that league game definately.
I think you have to back your best players (Caffrekey would be my choice for the best FB in the country over the last three or four seasons) and not get too cute. Keane has barely featured for Mayo since 2012 so clearly his starting spot was tenuous - why would he the man to mark one of the best FFs of the current era?
I know our FB was destroyed by Freeman last year but we preserved with him and he completely turned the tables this year. Any player can have a bad day but most managers would have backed their best players to have the professional pride to do better the next day.
It was obviously a mistake retroactively but even beforehand it would have been very questionable.
I feel sorry for Horan in a way, his few failings get picked apart but I guess that's the nature of the beast.
Horan banked on Murphy going out the field in '12. That didn't happen. But dan is spot on regarding Caff getting roasted in Ballyshannon in the league.
If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 25, 2014, 07:01:54 PM
If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Caff played on him for the 60 mins after the two goals.
Why is there such an effort on behalf of Horanites to put genuine mayo supporters into a corner and basically say if you don't agree with everything Horan does , " you're not a proper Mayo supporter" .
What is this all about lately? Maughan, Johno etc were all fair game for their faults but by jaysus you dare say anything against Horan .
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the best man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
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Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
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And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
How come when mayoman dan tries to quote, every other argument following on from it is in the wrong place!
Anyway, how are the injuries coming on? Any word on Chris Barrett?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
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Is that your view Tubberman because i dont remember saying Mc Stay or Mc Hale for the job?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2014, 08:12:25 PM
How come when mayoman dan tries to quote, every other argument following on from it is in the wrong place!
Anyway, how are the injuries coming on? Any word on Chris Barrett?
Not like the Knockmore men to be thick ;)
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 25, 2014, 07:01:54 PM
If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Caff played on him for the 60 mins after the two goals.
Not sure what you mean? I meant that if Caff had started on Murphy and conceded two goals, he would have been getting the same grief for that decision.
Any chance we can move on from the last 2 All Irelands and look to the next game??
Will there be any changes from the last game?? Anyone fit to challenge? Gibbons? Barrett? B Moran? Parsons??
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Ok I'll Suarez then..
Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLaughlin would probably be the 6 starters when fit. Which of them wouldn't make the '
starting 15 amongst division 4 teams'?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
This is the whole point Maroon Manc Horan has persisted with forwards that are not good enough but has got rid of 1 in Regan and possibly 2 in Gallagher that looked to be the real deal.The limited game time given to Feeney also raises questions about Horans judgement.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 07:20:55 PM
Why is there such an effort on behalf of Horanites to put genuine mayo supporters into a corner and basically say if you don't agree with everything Horan does , " you're not a proper Mayo supporter" .
What is this all about lately? Maughan, Johno etc were all fair game for their faults but by jaysus you dare say anything against Horan .
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the best man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
I remember posters on here like maradonna and trying to defend the Johnno debacle for years. They seemed to disappear when he did.
It s a parochial thing. People take it personally if a manager or player from their own parish is criticised no matter how constructive or careful the criticism is. On the other hand players from certain clubs will always get a hard time from certain quarters.
TBF, Regan choose not to rejoin the panel this year, the exclusion of Gallagher seems to be without rhyme or reason
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 25, 2014, 08:26:08 PM
TBF, Regan choose not to rejoin the panel this year, the exclusion of Gallagher seems to be without rhyme or reason
I dont want to get in to the whole Regan thing again but he chose not to rejoin the panel for a good reason.Gallaghers continued ommission is strange.
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2014, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 07:20:55 PM
Why is there such an effort on behalf of Horanites to put genuine mayo supporters into a corner and basically say if you don't agree with everything Horan does , " you're not a proper Mayo supporter" .
What is this all about lately? Maughan, Johno etc were all fair game for their faults but by jaysus you dare say anything against Horan .
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the best man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
I remember posters on here like maradonna and trying to defend the Johnno debacle for years. They seemed to disappear when he did.
It s a parochial thing. People take it personally if a manager or player from their own parish is criticised no matter how constructive or careful the criticism is. On the other hand players from certain clubs will always get a hard time from certain quarters.
TBH time is a factor as well. I stood by Johnno for a while but by the end it was indefensible. Everyone was fully behind James at first. A few were concerned after 2012, After last year's final, I would have joined those who felt a fresh voice might have been better and I was particularly disappointed to see Nallen leave the set-up.
If we win this year all will be fine. If not, there will be more noise than last year and it will look like he was pushed out by disgruntled supporters. But if we can stumble through a few rounds and then find form late in the season, we can still win it.
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
Is that your view Tubberman because i dont remember saying Mc Stay or Mc Hale for the job?
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It's not my view, I'm asking you to expand on your view. You said Horan is not the best man for the job, so you must think someone else would win the all-Ireland if they were managing mayo. Who is it?
This is the point I'm trying to make, underneath all the BULSHIT I post , i still believe there's an all Ireland in that team , all I was pointing out was that it shouldn't be such a cult like thing with Horan, I believe in James Horan and respect what he is doing , I just don't understand the logic behind cutting Regan last year and then not giving Gallagher more game time this year in the league after two solid performances and one bad day v Kerry, he knows better than me is all I can go with. But let's call a spade a spade, the all Ireland final was shouting from the rooftops for a feeney introduction to freshen up the middle third where we were gettin killed on kick out runners and again he ignored the obvious to the vast majority in the stands.
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Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
Is that your view Tubberman because i dont remember saying Mc Stay or Mc Hale for the job?
It's not my view, I'm asking you to expand on your view. You said Horan is not the best man for the job, so you must think someone else would win the all-Ireland if they were managing mayo. Who is it?
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In a perfect world i would have Mickey Harte but seen as thats unlikely to happen id be happy enough with Mc Stay.Horan has had his chance and blown it twice
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Ok I'll Suarez then..
Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLaughlin would probably be the 6 starters when fit. Which of them wouldn't make the 'starting 15 amongst division 4 teams'?
Doherty and Freeman are very average county players to date, they may go on to prove me wrong but I doubt that.
Andy Moran is nowhere near the player he was, I was a huge admirer of him prior to his injury, he was consistently one of Mayo's best performers for several years but the injury has slowed him down, what pace he did possess has disappeared, he's still very accurate when he finds space but is never going to win a contested ball.
I can't remember what Dillons first 2 final performances were like but I know his last 2 have been appalling. Now I'm suggesting I should base an opinion on him based on 2 performances but his best years are likely behind him.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
This is the point I'm trying to make, underneath all the BULSHIT I post , i still believe there's an all Ireland in that team , all I was pointing out was that it shouldn't be such a cult like thing with Horan, I believe in James Horan and respect what he is doing , I just don't understand the logic behind cutting Regan last year and then not giving Gallagher more game time this year in the league after two solid performances and one bad day v Kerry, he knows better than me is all I can go with. But let's call a spade a spade, the all Ireland final was shouting from the rooftops for a feeney introduction to freshen up the middle third where we were gettin killed on kick out runners and again he ignored the obvious to the vast majority in the stands.
I'm guessing but it looks like he was pissed off the Gallagher failed to make a fist of the corner position v Kerry after being very impressive on the wing. If Gallagher said he didn t want to play in the corner again because he never played there in his life he too may as well have applied for his J1 for the summer.
The Feeney thing in last year's AI final was not a football or tactical decision as we now know, even thogh at the time it was unbelievable because we were not aware of the seriousness of the ruck that had happened. There was no way that Horan was going to play Feeney for personal reasons. His character which seems to be a great strength could also be his Achilles heel. Its one thing for Sir Alex to give top players that annoyed him the door as an example to others because he could get out the checque book and replace them with as good or better. County managers cannot do that.
What are Mayo going to do about this? I presume they'll beat Galway
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/keith-higgins-could-be-the-answer-to-mayo-s-eternal-forward-question-1.1742259
"Of the teams who've been beaten in All-Ireland finals over the past 30 years, only three have not contained a forward who made that year's All Stars team – Mayo 2013, Cork 2007, Mayo 1997.
And if that's still an unsatisfactory metric, based as it is on opinion rather than cold numbers, then consider this – in the last two All-Ireland finals, no Mayo starting forward has scored a point from play after half-time. Andy Moran's goal last year and a point by substitute Richie Feeney in 2012 constituted the sum total of scores from play by Mayo forwards in the two most important second halves of this team's life."
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
Steady on, this is just Galway we're talking about here, not Roscommon.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
Did you miss this Clonbur?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Ok I'll Suarez then..
Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLaughlin would probably be the 6 starters when fit. Which of them wouldn't make the 'starting 15 amongst division 4 teams'?
Doherty and Freeman are very average county players to date, they may go on to prove me wrong but I doubt that.
Andy Moran is nowhere near the player he was, I was a huge admirer of him prior to his injury, he was consistently one of Mayo's best performers for several years but the injury has slowed him down, what pace he did possess has disappeared, he's still very accurate when he finds space but is never going to win a contested ball.
I can't remember what Dillons first 2 final performances were like but I know his last 2 have been appalling. Now I'm suggesting I should base an opinion on him based on 2 performances but his best years are likely behind him.
So you reckon Moran, Freeman, Doherty and Dillon wouldn't make the following teams:
Tipp, Clare, Wicklow, Leitrim, Waterford, Antrim, London, Carlow.
Going by last years 4-16 humiliation of Galway by Mayo's 4th Division Forwards what Divisional team would the Galway backs be in? They must be pretty bad to concede such a total against such a 4th rate bunch?
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 08:53:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2014, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 25, 2014, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on June 25, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
Is that your view Tubberman because i dont remember saying Mc Stay or Mc Hale for the job?
It's not my view, I'm asking you to expand on your view. You said Horan is not the best man for the job, so you must think someone else would win the all-Ireland if they were managing mayo. Who is it?
In a perfect world i would have Mickey Harte but seen as thats unlikely to happen id be happy enough with Mc Stay.Horan has had his chance and blown it twice
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I'm not a Horan cheerleader (believe it or not!), but I can't let that one go.
"Horan has had his chance and blown it twice" You do realise Horan managed Mayo to those finals!? They didn't just win their place on All-Ireland Final day in a lucky-dip! I'd agree he made a balls of last year's final, but he's also produced the finest Mayo team I've ever seen.
Kevin McStay was involved in Mayo senior management back in 94/95 I think, and did f**k all. He then managed the U21s and did decent, but nothing special.
He won an All-Ireland Club Final with St Brigid's, a great achievement, but so did Tommy Jordan and Tommy Lyons (Ballina). Jordan managed Sligo for a very unsuccessful year, Lyons was on Johnno's backroom team. Neither a success by any means.
You might want Mickey Harte, but there are plenty in Tyrone who would be glad to get rid of him at this stage.
You can get fed up and bitch about the man in charge, but remember where he's brought us from, and we could return to if the wrong man was put in charge again.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
No it wasn t. He was comparing Mayo to Div.4 teams. The tone of his post was very patronising. Basically telling us that we re lucky to be as good as we are with what we have and that JH has done extremely well to get anywhere with this set of players.
The indignation of outsiders when we used criticise Johnno was the same. How dare they find fault with the great man. If Mayo couldn t win with the great Johnno then they must be brutal altogether. While he was driving Mayo football back years Eugene McGee still annointed him as being the best manager of them all.
JH reminds me of John Maughan in many ways. Got most of the job really well done and brought a broken bunch of players close to the summit. However a couple of decisions cost him/us dearly. And they were bloody obvious things too not opportunist revisionism after the fact. Things like the Fallon omission in 96, not trying to mark Maurice Fitz properly in 97 and leaving a hole at 11 when Colm Mac was roving ( this went on for years). It s a shame to get so much difficult stuff right ( fitness/ conditioning/ defending/ support play/ hunger/ discipline/ morale/team spirit) and blow it on easy stuff. Basic house keeping really.
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
Did you miss this Clonbur?
In all honesty...yes, continue with the indignation.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 25, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
Did you miss this Clonbur?
In all honesty...yes, continue with the indignation.
Not many here are decent enough to own up, so fair play. ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2014, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
Steady on, this is just Galway we're talking about here, not Roscommon.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
Definitely not the hurling team.
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2014, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 25, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 25, 2014, 09:21:04 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 25, 2014, 08:16:23 PM
I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
No it wasn t. He was comparing Mayo to Div.4 teams. The tone of his post was very patronising. Basically telling us that we re lucky to be as good as we are with what we have and that JH has done extremely well to get anywhere with this set of players.
The indignation of outsiders when we used criticise Johnno was the same. How dare they find fault with the great man. If Mayo couldn t win with the great Johnno then they must be brutal altogether. While he was driving Mayo football back years Eugene McGee still annointed him as being the best manager of them all.
JH reminds me of John Maughan in many ways. Got most of the job really well done and brought a broken bunch of players close to the summit. However a couple of decisions cost him/us dearly. And they were bloody obvious things too not opportunist revisionism after the fact. Things like the Fallon omission in 96, not trying to mark Maurice Fitz properly in 97 and leaving a hole at 11 when Colm Mac was roving ( this went on for years). It s a shame to get so much difficult stuff right ( fitness/ conditioning/ defending/ support play/ hunger/ discipline/ morale/team spirit) and blow it on easy stuff. Basic house keeping really.
God help me for suggesting Horan is an outstanding manager. But when you're relying on the likes of Freeman, Varley, Conroy, Doherty and Moran who's well passed his best to win an All Ireland it's going to be a struggle.
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If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Caff played on him for the 60 mins after the two goals.
Not sure what you mean? I meant that if Caff had started on Murphy and conceded two goals, he would have been getting the same grief for that decision.
Any chance we can move on from the last 2 All Irelands and look to the next game??
Will there be any changes from the last game?? Anyone fit to challenge? Gibbons? Barrett? B Moran? Parsons??
Difficult to know what he can do. Does he persist with the 2 youngsters in the hf line? McLoughlin in the corner again?
If they are dropped will their confidence take a hit. I thought it a strange decision to start both the last day and now I think he s given himself a problem because it was not a roaring success.
I still can t imaging how anybody would play McLoughlin inside and Doherty on the wing either. I can t see any shape or sense in that. The reality is God knows how the team will emerge from 8-15. It would appear that only the older Bears and McLoughlin are certain to
start.
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I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
To be fair to me he could have said Mayo's front 6 are the weakest out of the top three or four teams and pointed to the fact they got no all star or only Andy Moran scored from play after halftime in the final last year. Hence the reason I gave a childish response to his fairly childish comment that they would struggle to make most division four teams!!
I do agree that the thrust of his argument is right and Horan has had to work with forwards that have struggled to become a cohesive attacking unit but some would argue that Horan has sacrificed the more talented forwards in they county for lads of greater commitment and work rate.
There is trade off either way you look at it and one Mayo have to overcome to be taken as a serious threat to anyone who sees themselves as a top dog ( Dublin) or an aspiring top dog ( Donegal/Cork/Monaghan/Kerry/Meath/Galway).
N.B. I will insert plenty of smiley faces next time I am being childish!!! ;) ;)
Moysider I can't believe you're suggesting that because JH doesn't manage Man united he shouldn't do it right. Fair enough he can't bring in another big name but he's built his squad on discipline so either you stand by that or you don't.
The story I heard was that RF took one bottle of beer at a wedding in the run up to the AIF.
So either you say "ah it's only one bottle of beer" or like JH you say there was a rule for everyone and you broke it. You knew it was there and you chose to break it. No one else but RF
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If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Caff played on him for the 60 mins after the two goals.
Not sure what you mean? I meant that if Caff had started on Murphy and conceded two goals, he would have been getting the same grief for that decision.
Any chance we can move on from the last 2 All Irelands and look to the next game??
Will there be any changes from the last game?? Anyone fit to challenge? Gibbons? Barrett? B Moran? Parsons??
Difficult to know what he can do. Does he persist with the 2 youngsters in the hf line? McLoughlin in the corner again?
If they are dropped will their confidence take a hit. I thought it a strange decision to start both the last day and now I think he s given himself a problem because it was not a roaring success.
I still can t imaging how anybody would play McLoughlin inside and Doherty on the wing either. I can t see any shape or sense in that. The reality is God knows how the team will emerge from 8-15. It would appear that only the older Bears and McLoughlin are certain to start.
I'd say diarmuid o'c will start, probably not c o'se though. Could diarmuid play as an inside forward??
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Moysider I can't believe you're suggesting that because JH doesn't manage Man united he shouldn't do it right. Fair enough he can't bring in another big name but he's built his squad on discipline so either you stand by that or you don't.
The story I heard was that RF took one bottle of beer at a wedding in the run up to the AIF.
So either you say "ah it's only one bottle of beer" or like JH you say there was a rule for everyone and you broke it. You knew it was there and you chose to break it. No one else but RF
And was your source that reliable that you would publish this story on the internet without fear?
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I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Ok I'll Suarez then..
Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLaughlin would probably be the 6 starters when fit. Which of them wouldn't make the 'starting 15 amongst division 4 teams'?
Doherty and Freeman are very average county players to date, they may go on to prove me wrong but I doubt that.
Andy Moran is nowhere near the player he was, I was a huge admirer of him prior to his injury, he was consistently one of Mayo's best performers for several years but the injury has slowed him down, what pace he did possess has disappeared, he's still very accurate when he finds space but is never going to win a contested ball.
I can't remember what Dillons first 2 final performances were like but I know his last 2 have been appalling. Now I'm suggesting I should base an opinion on him based on 2 performances but his best years are likely behind him.
Have to agree with all that.
I thought Doherty had a fairly satisfactory game the last day given the weather conditions and I think he has the capacity to improve. Freeman is a total enigma. He has had good days in a Mayo jersey but he's also had more than his fair share of games where he has been totally ineffective.
In the last Roscommon game, if my memory serves me right, he failed to show for a pass or make any effort to contest dirty ball during the entire second half.He was beaten for possession twice in the first two minutes and thereafter he was anonymous until he was taken off.
I honestly think that if Andy hadn't done his cruciate in back in 2012 in the QF against Down, Mayo would have at least one AI by now.
He's never recovered the form he had then but I think he's far too valuable to the side to be left off.
To put it simply; if the style of play doesn't suit Andy, then change the tactics, not the captain.
I'm serious about that btw.
I think Alan Dillon carried injuries into the last two AIs so some allowances have to be made for that. I'm afraid he didn't play well in '06 or '04 either but then neither did anyone else on those occasions either.
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I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
No it wasn t. He was comparing Mayo to Div.4 teams. The tone of his post was very patronising. Basically telling us that we re lucky to be as good as we are with what we have and that JH has done extremely well to get anywhere with this set of players.
The indignation of outsiders when we used criticise Johnno was the same. How dare they find fault with the great man. If Mayo couldn t win with the great Johnno then they must be brutal altogether. While he was driving Mayo football back years Eugene McGee still annointed him as being the best manager of them all.
JH reminds me of John Maughan in many ways. Got most of the job really well done and brought a broken bunch of players close to the summit. However a couple of decisions cost him/us dearly. And they were bloody obvious things too not opportunist revisionism after the fact. Things like the Fallon omission in 96, not trying to mark Maurice Fitz properly in 97 and leaving a hole at 11 when Colm Mac was roving ( this went on for years). It s a shame to get so much difficult stuff right ( fitness/ conditioning/ defending/ support play/ hunger/ discipline/ morale/team spirit) and blow it on easy stuff. Basic house keeping really.
God help me for suggesting Horan is an outstanding manager. But when you're relying on the likes of Freeman, Varley, Conroy, Doherty and Moran who's well passed his best to win an All Ireland it's going to be a struggle.
Horan has
chosen to rely on those. There were options as those more familiar with the county know. That s the point that some of us are sympathetically trying to make without hanging players publicly out to dry ( I wouldn t quite agree either with that list) and with respect too for a manager to choose to do the job how he sees fit.
I agree about freeman not showing well in the last game but he did take a knock in the warmup which might offer some sort of excuse.
Still not sure Andy is a starter, despite him winning the game for us the last day. On the other hand, if nobody else puts their hand up, there's probably not much choice
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I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Would any Mayo forwards even make the galway junior team?
Would any Mayo forward from the last 25 years even make the current Galway matchday 26???
To be fair the comparison that Maroon Manc made was with the top tier elite teams, clearly Galway aren't in this bracket so I'd save the indignation.
To be fair to me he could have said Mayo's front 6 are the weakest out of the top three or four teams and pointed to the fact they got no all star or only Andy Moran scored from play after halftime in the final last year. Hence the reason I gave a childish response to his fairly childish comment that they would struggle to make most division four teams!!
I do agree that the thrust of his argument is right and Horan has had to work with forwards that have struggled to become a cohesive attacking unit but some would argue that Horan has sacrificed the more talented forwards in they county for lads of greater commitment and work rate.
There is trade off either way you look at it and one Mayo have to overcome to be taken as a serious threat to anyone who sees themselves as a top dog ( Dublin) or an aspiring top dog ( Donegal/Cork/Monaghan/Kerry/Meath/Galway).
N.B. I will insert plenty of smiley faces next time I am being childish!!! ;) ;)
Perhaps that was a bit tongue-in-cheek!!
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Moysider I can't believe you're suggesting that because JH doesn't manage Man united he shouldn't do it right. Fair enough he can't bring in another big name but he's built his squad on discipline so either you stand by that or you don't.
The story I heard was that RF took one bottle of beer at a wedding in the run up to the AIF.
So either you say "ah it's only one bottle of beer" or like JH you say there was a rule for everyone and you broke it. You knew it was there and you chose to break it. No one else but RF
There s discipline and there s common sense and they don t have to be mutually exclusive.
Not so long ago Tomás O Sé and Gooch Cooper were dropped for a breach of the drinking code that was far more serious than what you say Richie Feeney did. With Jack O Connor common sense prevailed and both players were back as soon as possible and both were brilliant for the rest of the year and won Sam. And that is just the Feeney scenario anyway.
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If Horan had played Caff on Murphy, the same fellas would be on here lamenting how he failed to learned the lessons of Ballyshannon....
Caff played on him for the 60 mins after the two goals.
Not sure what you mean? I meant that if Caff had started on Murphy and conceded two goals, he would have been getting the same grief for that decision.
Any chance we can move on from the last 2 All Irelands and look to the next game??
Will there be any changes from the last game?? Anyone fit to challenge? Gibbons? Barrett? B Moran? Parsons??
Difficult to know what he can do. Does he persist with the 2 youngsters in the hf line? McLoughlin in the corner again?
If they are dropped will their confidence take a hit. I thought it a strange decision to start both the last day and now I think he s given himself a problem because it was not a roaring success.
I still can t imaging how anybody would play McLoughlin inside and Doherty on the wing either. I can t see any shape or sense in that. The reality is God knows how the team will emerge from 8-15. It would appear that only the older Bears and McLoughlin are certain to start.
I'd say diarmuid o'c will start, probably not c o'se though. Could diarmuid play as an inside forward??
Maybe but he s no definite. The fact that we re wondering if he can play inside says a lot. I don t think he can - yet anyway. But it s become like an X-factor audition to find a corner forward.
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I'm constantly astounded by the criticism Horan gets, he gets a lot more right than he gets wrong. A manager will always make the odd wrong decision, he hasn't made too many in the last few years.
He's not going to get everything right. No manager gets every big decision right.
I don't think any other manager in the country would have taken that set of players to 2 finals, he comfortably has the worst set of forwards amongst one of the so called elite teams, there's a number of those forwards who'd struggle to make the starting 15 amongst division 4 teams.
Ok I'll Suarez then..
Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor, Alan Dillon, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLaughlin would probably be the 6 starters when fit. Which of them wouldn't make the 'starting 15 amongst division 4 teams'?
Doherty and Freeman are very average county players to date, they may go on to prove me wrong but I doubt that.
Andy Moran is nowhere near the player he was, I was a huge admirer of him prior to his injury, he was consistently one of Mayo's best performers for several years but the injury has slowed him down, what pace he did possess has disappeared, he's still very accurate when he finds space but is never going to win a contested ball.
I can't remember what Dillons first 2 final performances were like but I know his last 2 have been appalling. Now I'm suggesting I should base an opinion on him based on 2 performances but his best years are likely behind him.
Have to agree with all that. I thought Doherty had a fairly satisfactory game the last day given the weather conditions and I think he has the capacity to improve. Freeman is a total enigma. He has had good days in a Mayo jersey but he's also had more than his fair share of games where he has been totally ineffective.
In the last Roscommon game, if my memory serves me right, he failed to show for a pass or make any effort to contest dirty ball during the entire second half.He was beaten for possession twice in the first two minutes and thereafter he was anonymous until he was taken off.
I honestly think that if Andy hadn't done his cruciate in back in 2012 in the QF against Down, Mayo would have at least one AI by now.
He's never recovered the form he had then but I think he's far too valuable to the side to be left off.
To put it simply; if the style of play doesn't suit Andy, then change the tactics, not the captain.
I'm serious about that btw.
I think Alan Dillon carried injuries into the last two AIs so some allowances have to be made for that. I'm afraid he didn't play well in '06 or '04 either but then neither did anyone else on those occasions either.
Jaysus Lar you said you agreed with every think he said and then proceeded to qualify every point you agreed on which means you didn t agree at all ;D ;D ;D
Just call him the herrin chokin cnut he undoubtedly is >:(
Only messin maroon manc ;)
We must remember that Mayo forwards are often judged on what happened in September. Days when there was often a total system failure. But it s handier to trot out a stat like no starting forward scoring in the second half in an AI final in living memory or something.
Let s look at some of these much maligned forwards.
Conroy - class young forward but not even in the panel when he was at his best. His dash is gone and is no loner able to burn by defenders and has to go outside now and snatches at shots.
Andy and Dillon - injury robbed their peak years but I m expecting a sting in the tail end of their careers from the pair of them. Very skillful and clever footballers.
Freeman - easy to dismiss him as being an enigma. For me he plays like a player that is looking over his shoulder for the curly finger. He plays like he knows he s not loved and at times he tries too hard and ends up missing the easy and obvious stuff. But he has size and can be a game winner.
Doherty had a great start to 2013 ( 3rd level all star team inc, no mean feat) Injured after. Inside forward and has the size and tecnically good enough to persist with in panel. Can be a lethal finisher. Not a hf in my opinion though.
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And for the 100000000000000 th time, I believe Horan has done a fantastic job and is the beat man for the job , I just believe he has made some crucial mistakes but without him we would not of ever been in a position to make them mistakes.
Jesus it's tough being a Mayo supporter.
Horan has done a fantastic job but he is not the best man for the job.He has taken the team as far as he can and should have stood aside after the aif debacle.
And who is the best man for the job? Kevin McStay I suppose!? Or maybe his brother-in-law?
Is that your view Tubberman because i dont remember saying Mc Stay or Mc Hale for the job?
It's not my view, I'm asking you to expand on your view. You said Horan is not the best man for the job, so you must think someone else would win the all-Ireland if they were managing mayo. Who is it?
In a perfect world i would have Mickey Harte but seen as thats unlikely to happen id be happy enough with Mc Stay.Horan has had his chance and blown it twice
I'm not a Horan cheerleader (believe it or not!), but I can't let that one go.
"Horan has had his chance and blown it twice" You do realise Horan managed Mayo to those finals!? They didn't just win their place on All-Ireland Final day in a lucky-dip! I'd agree he made a balls of last year's final, but he's also produced the finest Mayo team I've ever seen.
Kevin McStay was involved in Mayo senior management back in 94/95 I think, and did f**k all. He then managed the U21s and did decent, but nothing special.
He won an All-Ireland Club Final with St Brigid's, a great achievement, but so did Tommy Jordan and Tommy Lyons (Ballina). Jordan managed Sligo for a very unsuccessful year, Lyons was on Johnno's backroom team. Neither a success by any means.
You might want Mickey Harte, but there are plenty in Tyrone who would be glad to get rid of him at this stage.
You can get fed up and bitch about the man in charge, but remember where he's brought us from, and we could return to if the wrong man was put in charge again.
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Yes i do realise Horan managed us to those finals but he made a balls of both of them.Just so were clear Tubberman i was happy to support Horan the last 3 years even though i felt he was caught out badly by Mc Guinness in the 12 final.It has already being said that James has got an awful lot right but in the 2 aif he has messed up terribly.I hope im wrong and we go on to have a good year but all the signs are that were in decline and Horan has alienated and frozen out certain players that could make a difference.I hope i dont come across as some Horan hater im not i respect the man and all the good he has done for us but i just fell that after last years defeat in the final it was the right time to step aside.
It usually takes an extra year after someone is passed fit from a major cruciate injury like Andy's before they're back to their best. It's been about that now since his and if he's fit I think ye would be basket cases to leave him off the starting 15 in big matches. I certainly wouldn't be taking it for granted that he's past his best just yet.
As much as it pains me to say Andy would die for Mayo if it meant they'd win an All-Ireland. When he plays well it reverberates throughout the Mayo team, he's still a class player and an even better leader.
We must remember that Mayo forwards are often judged on what happened in September. Days when there was often a total system failure. But it s handier to trot out a stat like no starting forward scoring in the second half in an AI final in living memory or something.
Let s look at some of these much maligned forwards.
Conroy - class young forward but not even in the panel when he was at his best. His dash is gone and is no loner able to burn by defenders and has to go outside now and snatches at shots.
Andy and Dillon - injury robbed their peak years but I m expecting a sting in the tail end of their careers from the pair of them. Very skillful and clever footballers.
Freeman - easy to dismiss him as being an enigma. For me he plays like a player that is looking over his shoulder for the curly finger. He plays like he knows he s not loved and at times he tries too hard and ends up missing the easy and obvious stuff. But he has size and can be a game winner.
Doherty had a great start to 2013 ( 3rd level all star team inc, no mean feat) Injured after. Inside forward and has the size and tecnically good enough to persist with in panel. Can be a lethal finisher. Not a hf in my opinion though.
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Id like to see a ff line of Doherty Freeman and Sweeney.Put Mc Loughlin and Cillian in the hf line to deliver good ball to them and we could be on to something.
What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
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What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
You re f**king imaging things Jinxy. He s doesn t exist. He s a Keyser Soze - an invention to f**k with people s minds. I bet even Mayo poster s here have never seen him. I bet few of them have seen Keith Ruttledge either ::)
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What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
apparently gone to America for the 2nd summer in a row.
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What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
apparently gone to America for the 2nd summer in a row.
Ya do know he was dropped from the panel before he jetted off last year, right? You're giving off a very wrong impression there.
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What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
apparently gone to America for the 2nd summer in a row.
Ya do know he was dropped from the panel before he jetted off last year, right? You're giving off a very wrong impression there.
You know for sure this Regan fella was dropped? maybe he couldn't commit or had plans to travel? Mark McHugh left the Donegal claiming he needed a break away as he wasn't enjoying his football however he has since signed up with a club in New York.
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What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
apparently gone to America for the 2nd summer in a row.
Ya do know he was dropped from the panel before he jetted off last year, right? You're giving off a very wrong impression there.
You know for sure this Regan fella was dropped? maybe he couldn't commit or had plans to travel? Mark McHugh left the Donegal claiming he needed a break away as he wasn't enjoying his football however he has since signed up with a club in New York.
This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
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This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
Fact or more bulshit that you claim to post?
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This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
Fact or more bulshit that you claim to post?
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underneath all the BULSHIT I post
Common knowledge.
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This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
Fact or more bulshit that you claim to post?
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Ask any of the Mayoeens here. He was one of those chosen to be cut in the middle of the summer. Surplus to requirements after about eight months training, not exactly classy.
What Blowitupref said makes it sound like Regan wasn't committed to the Rhus when it couldn't be further from the truth.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2014, 02:18:06 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2014, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 01:44:17 AM
This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
Fact or more bulshit that you claim to post?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
underneath all the BULSHIT I post
Ask any of the Mayoeens here. He was one of those chosen to be cut in the middle of the summer. Surplus to requirements after about eight months training, not exactly classy.
What Blowitupref said makes it sound like Regan wasn't committed to the Rhus when it couldn't be further from the truth.
You know not what you talk of,son...you're not as close to the truth as you claim.
So what is the truth then sans. Somebody clarify the f**king God damn thing once and foor all. I thought the Co. board told Horan to cut back on training and that's why. Is that not the case? Or did Regan, contrary to moy's assertions leave the panel first or what? I'm just wanting to know. I know he didn't join this year and it's not surprising given the same (relatively) few forwards Horan works with.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2014, 08:09:41 AM
So what is the truth then sans. Somebody clarify the f**king God damn thing once and foor all. I thought the Co. board told Horan to cut back on training and that's why. Is that not the case? Or did Regan, contrary to moy's assertions leave the panel first or what? I'm just wanting to know. I know he didn't join this year and it's not surprising given the same (relatively) few forwards Horan works with.
100% agree Farr, an awful lot of people talking about this and other subjects implying they know more than they're saying. If you know something and are willing to say it, then spit it out; if not then keep it to yourself and quit trying to sound like mystic meg!
Quote from: Jinxy on June 25, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
What about this Evan Regan lad I keep hearing about?
He is a real natural scoring inside forward (like a gooch/Brogan/Mannion/Hurley) , one of the best talents to come through Mayo underage football in a while along with Cillian O Connor. He was very close to breaking through to the Mayo team in 2012 but a recurring knee injury hampered him a bit and personally I think he was still a little raw at 19 to be thrown in at the deep end of an All Ireland title push.
There is a lot of theories as to why he is not involved now but the facts are he was on the panel from the start of 2012 to the middle of summer to 2013 when he along with a few others were suddenly cut ( told by text on a Wed/definitely did not walk to go to the US like some say this I know for sure) , funnily enough just after he gave a masterclass in a club championship scoring 3-05 to help Ballina beat Claremorris.He was invited to join a pre training group ( some of the 2013 minors & U21's) in Oct last to get up to speed to challenge for a place in the senior panel but declined , deciding to concentrate on Sigerson & Mayo U21 training instead. Believing he was well down the pecking order he decided to go to the US for the summer after he was finished college.
From the outside either Horan doesn't feel he fits into his plan or maybe he just didn't show enough to the management to prove he could cut it at elite intercounty level I just don't know ( not many here probably do) but it does add to the Mayo circus 2014 quite well.;D
Quote from: sans pessimism on June 26, 2014, 06:57:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2014, 02:18:06 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2014, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 01:44:17 AM
This is the stuff that irks me in the gaa world,what's the deal with all the secrecy and half truths , Regan was cut from the panel and as for McHugh he's been actin de bollix flat out drinkin around Sligo for months , fact.
Fact or more bulshit that you claim to post?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 25, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
underneath all the BULSHIT I post
Ask any of the Mayoeens here. He was one of those chosen to be cut in the middle of the summer. Surplus to requirements after about eight months training, not exactly classy.
What Blowitupref said makes it sound like Regan wasn't committed to the Rhus when it couldn't be further from the truth.
You know not what you talk of,son...you're not as close to the truth as you claim.
What's not true in what Syferus said there sans?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2014, 08:09:41 AM
So what is the truth then sans. Somebody clarify the f**king God damn thing once and foor all. I thought the Co. board told Horan to cut back on training and that's why. Is that not the case? Or did Regan, contrary to moy's assertions leave the panel first or what? I'm just wanting to know. I know he didn't join this year and it's not surprising given the same (relatively) few forwards Horan works with.
Bedad Farr, that's like asking someone to reveal the third secret of Fatima!
There's assloads of assertions, innuendos and self-contradictory statements flying about but nothing that can be taken as fact.
But a number of posters on this board has made claims and , ASAIK, nobody else has contradicted them.
For the umpteenth time, I know sweet FA about what went on and I'm only passing along what I read here.
Young Regan was asked to go on a conditioning course along with other young players, Coen, O'Connor, O'Shea etc.
He declined to do so.
Horan dropped him from the panel and said this was because the CB wanted to curtail expenses.
I'm not altogether sure of the sequence of events but someone stated that he had reared up on Horan because he didn't get a run against Roscommon last year. (Nearly certain the poster said it was Roscommon but I just might be wrong here. )
He was asked at the beginning of this year to re-join the panel to do so.
Now. I cannot say whether all or any of the above is true but I'm saying for the second time, that's what I read here.
(I'm off now to arm myself with a few cloves of garlic and a pointed stake- ya can never be too careful ya know.) ;)
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
It usually takes an extra year after someone is passed fit from a major cruciate injury like Andy's before they're back to their best. It's been about that now since his and if he's fit I think ye would be basket cases to leave him off the starting 15 in big matches. I certainly wouldn't be taking it for granted that he's past his best just yet.
As much as it pains me to say Andy would die for Mayo if it meant they'd win an All-Ireland. When he plays well it reverberates throughout the Mayo team, he's still a class player and an even better leader.
You may well be right but given his age I wouldn't be too hopeful. I do know that it won't be lack of effort that counts against him.
How long is he back training after his injury? He played against Galway last May so I'd have thought he'd have been training at least a few months prior to that?
I'm sorry I asked.
I think the Key to Horan's success is he only works with players that he feels will work with him. and he is willing to drop better players for the ones HE feels are more committed to the cause and short of actually Winning an all-Ireland Its worked out well enough for him so far .
An the Keyser sose comment is very apt when it come to regan the less we see of him the better he Gets .
Richie feeney is beginning to fall into that category too
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2014, 10:46:58 AM
I think the Key to Horan's success is he only works with players that he feels will work with him. and he is willing to drop better players for the ones HE feels are more committed to the cause and short of actually Winning an all-Ireland Its worked out well enough for him so far .
An the Keyser sose comment is very apt when it come to regan the less we see of him the better he Gets .
Richie feeney is beginning to fall into that category too
There is another issue regarding the forwards. We are playing a high press with forwards who are very good at pressurising defenders. The amount of turnovers we got high up the pitch last year in Salthill and against Donegal was astonishing. Despite an awful shooting performance against Roscommon last month, we still got turnovers in their half. It is obviously we will play like this again this year.
Conor Mort wouldn't have been a great exponent of tackling. Neither to my eye is Mikey Sweeney. I can't give an opinion on Evan Regan in this regard, but if he fits in with the other 2 there would be simple footballing reason for his non-selection. You could agree or disagree with it, but it would be purely tactical.
Feeney is an excellent tackler though so his treatment doesn't appear to be for tactical reasons.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 26, 2014, 10:20:01 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2014, 08:09:41 AM
So what is the truth then sans. Somebody clarify the f**king God damn thing once and foor all. I thought the Co. board told Horan to cut back on training and that's why. Is that not the case? Or did Regan, contrary to moy's assertions leave the panel first or what? I'm just wanting to know. I know he didn't join this year and it's not surprising given the same (relatively) few forwards Horan works with.
Bedad Farr, that's like asking someone to reveal the third secret of Fatima!
There's assloads of assertions, innuendos and self-contradictory statements flying about but nothing that can be taken as fact.
But a number of posters on this board has made claims and , ASAIK, nobody else has contradicted them.
For the umpteenth time, I know sweet FA about what went on and I'm only passing along what I read here.
Young Regan was asked to go on a conditioning course along with other young players, Coen, O'Connor, O'Shea etc.
He declined to do so.
Horan dropped him from the panel and said this was because the CB wanted to curtail expenses.
I'm not altogether sure of the sequence of events but someone stated that he had reared up on Horan because he didn't get a run against Roscommon last year. (Nearly certain the poster said it was Roscommon but I just might be wrong here. )
He was asked at the beginning of this year to re-join the panel to do so.
Now. I cannot say whether all or any of the above is true but I'm saying for the second time, that's what I read here.
(I'm off now to arm myself with a few cloves of garlic and a pointed stake- ya can never be too careful ya know.) ;)
The strange thing about cutting him from the panel last year was that I think an injured Conor O'Shea was kept on. That is the interesting point especially if curtailing expenses was the reasoning.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2014, 10:46:58 AM
I think the Key to Horan's success is he only works with players that he feels will work with him. and he is willing to drop better players for the ones HE feels are more committed to the cause and short of actually Winning an all-Ireland Its worked out well enough for him so far .
An the Keyser sose comment is very apt when it come to regan the less we see of him the better he Gets .
Richie feeney is beginning to fall into that category too
There is another issue regarding the forwards. We are playing a high press with forwards who are very good at pressurising defenders. The amount of turnovers we got high up the pitch last year in Salthill and against Donegal was astonishing. Despite an awful shooting performance against Roscommon last month, we still got turnovers in their half. It is obviously we will play like this again this year.
Conor Mort wouldn't have been a great exponent of tackling. Neither to my eye is Mikey Sweeney. I can't give an opinion on Evan Regan in this regard, but if he fits in with the other 2 there would be simple footballing reason for his non-selection. You could agree or disagree with it, but it would be purely tactical.
Feeney is an excellent tackler though so his treatment doesn't appear to be for tactical reasons.
That would be my hunch too muppet and from watching Regan (albeit only for Ballina) he could very well be badly suited to the high pressure game Horan likes to play with the forwards. Evan would though be a good bit more agressive in the collisions than Connor Mort and probably Mikey (well the younger Mikey Sweeney) too.
I just can't work out what Feeney is doing wrong for Mayo at the moment but then again I am not privy to what Horan wants him to do for the team and whether Richie is willing to do it?
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
How many Galway players would get in a Mayo team?
They'd probably only take Conroy, Walsh & Cummins and even that is debateable. They wouldn't take Kavanagh based on his form so far.
Looking at it from a Galway point of view how many Mayo players would really improve this Galway side? Higgins, Barrett, Cuniffe, Vaughan, Boyle, Keegan, McLaughlin & O'Connor. (I rate Caff highly but don't think he's a huge improvement on Hanley)
There lies the difference in the sides, we've only 3 players that might make a difference to this Mayo setup whilst they have 8 that would really improve ours.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2014, 10:46:58 AM
I think the Key to Horan's success is he only works with players that he feels will work with him. and he is willing to drop better players for the ones HE feels are more committed to the cause and short of actually Winning an all-Ireland Its worked out well enough for him so far .
An the Keyser sose comment is very apt when it come to regan the less we see of him the better he Gets .
Richie feeney is beginning to fall into that category too
There is another issue regarding the forwards. We are playing a high press with forwards who are very good at pressurising defenders. The amount of turnovers we got high up the pitch last year in Salthill and against Donegal was astonishing. Despite an awful shooting performance against Roscommon last month, we still got turnovers in their half. It is obviously we will play like this again this year.
Conor Mort wouldn't have been a great exponent of tackling. Neither to my eye is Mikey Sweeney. I can't give an opinion on Evan Regan in this regard, but if he fits in with the other 2 there would be simple footballing reason for his non-selection. You could agree or disagree with it, but it would be purely tactical.
Feeney is an excellent tackler though so his treatment doesn't appear to be for tactical reasons.
That doesn't seem to make sense, Muppet.
You need to get over the ball once you have it . The Colm McManamon syndrome.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 26, 2014, 10:46:58 AM
I think the Key to Horan's success is he only works with players that he feels will work with him. and he is willing to drop better players for the ones HE feels are more committed to the cause and short of actually Winning an all-Ireland Its worked out well enough for him so far .
An the Keyser sose comment is very apt when it come to regan the less we see of him the better he Gets .
Richie feeney is beginning to fall into that category too
There is another issue regarding the forwards. We are playing a high press with forwards who are very good at pressurising defenders. The amount of turnovers we got high up the pitch last year in Salthill and against Donegal was astonishing. Despite an awful shooting performance against Roscommon last month, we still got turnovers in their half. It is obviously we will play like this again this year.
Conor Mort wouldn't have been a great exponent of tackling. Neither to my eye is Mikey Sweeney. I can't give an opinion on Evan Regan in this regard, but if he fits in with the other 2 there would be simple footballing reason for his non-selection. You could agree or disagree with it, but it would be purely tactical.
Feeney is an excellent tackler though so his treatment doesn't appear to be for tactical reasons.
That doesn't seem to make sense, Muppet.
You need to get over the ball once you have it . The Colm McManamon syndrome.
Colm Mc played mainly in the half-backline.
See him here setting up Casey for a point against Galway 1996: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlKDwD6OpHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlKDwD6OpHE)
The game I am talking about is played much closer to the opponents goal.
See Magee after winning a high ball here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dnaUHsEbPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dnaUHsEbPg)
You mightn't like the style or agree with it, but you can't say it doesn't make sense.
17 days to go and it's at page 12 already. ::)
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
It usually takes an extra year after someone is passed fit from a major cruciate injury like Andy's before they're back to their best. It's been about that now since his and if he's fit I think ye would be basket cases to leave him off the starting 15 in big matches. I certainly wouldn't be taking it for granted that he's past his best just yet.
As much as it pains me to say Andy would die for Mayo if it meant they'd win an All-Ireland. When he plays well it reverberates throughout the Mayo team, he's still a class player and an even better leader.
You may well be right but given his age I wouldn't be too hopeful. I do know that it won't be lack of effort that counts against him.
How long is he back training after his injury? He played against Galway last May so I'd have thought he'd have been training at least a few months prior to that?
He's been training for over a year, a few other injuries along the way too but nothing too serious.
I'd look at someone like Robert Griffin III, a 22 year-old quarter-back in the NFL that suffered serious cruciate damage at the end of a record-breaking rookie season. He's a dual-threat QB so he runs a lot, picks up a lot more bangs than most QBs. He had a poor 2013 season even though he was passed fit before the season began. The explosiveness just wasn't there and that can take a lot of time to come back. And he's obviously a good bit younger than Andy had had the benefit of his team spending massive amounts of money on his surgery and rehab.
I just get the feeling from other instances of cruciate injuries - there are different ligaments of course and sometimes you can be unlucky and lucky (Donie Shine is only going to be sidelined 6-8 weeks with his PCL tear) - that it can take a lot of time after you can play again before you can reach the same level you were at before the injury. Andy picking up a hamstring tweak in the last game doesn't help his case but if that clears up I wouldn't be betting against him being in fine form when Mayo's AI credentials will be tested in the likely AISF in late August/early September.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibbons on the 40 Larry and personally I would like to see the two bears and Gibbons in and around the middle third. I have a feeling based on last years league that Horan prefers Aidan for the no 11 spot and could go with Seami and Jason in the engine room. This mightn't be a bad combo and Jason's mobility along with his foot passing will certainly spice up the ponderous one paced stuff we saw in the Hyde.
Here is the 8 to 15 that Horan might pick that I would like to see the next day ,
Seami O'S, A O' Shea
Kevin Mac, Jason Gibbons, D O' Connor
Cillian O' C, Freeman, Jason Doc
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
17 days to go and it's at page 12 already. ::)
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Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibbons on the 40 Larry and personally I would like to see the two bears and Gibbons in and around the middle third. I have a feeling based on last years league that Horan prefers Aidan for the no 11 spot and could go with Seami and Jason in the engine room. This mightn't be a bad combo and Jason's mobility along with his foot passing will certainly spice up the ponderous one paced stuff we saw in the Hyde.
Here is the 8 to 15 that Horan might pick that I would like to see the next day ,
Seami O'S, A O' Shea
Kevin Mac, Jason Gibbons, D O' Connor
Cillian O' C, Freeman, Jason Doc
So it s neither one or the other so?
Better chance of predicting next weeks lotto numbers than Mayo forwards. Kevin Mac is the only dead cert
starter and God knows what role he ll be given.
CO'C?
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibbons on the 40 Larry and personally I would like to see the two bears and Gibbons in and around the middle third. I have a feeling based on last years league that Horan prefers Aidan for the no 11 spot and could go with Seami and Jason in the engine room. This mightn't be a bad combo and Jason's mobility along with his foot passing will certainly spice up the ponderous one paced stuff we saw in the Hyde.
Here is the 8 to 15 that Horan might pick that I would like to see the next day ,
Seami O'S, A O' Shea
Kevin Mac, Jason Gibbons, D O' Connor
Cillian O' C, Freeman, Jason Doc
So it s neither one or the other so?
Better chance of predicting next weeks lotto numbers than Mayo forwards. Kevin Mac is the only dead cert starter and God knows what role he ll be given.
Well Moy what I was trying to get at is what I would like to see based on what Horan is willing to risk without out losing the basic elements he expects for his game plan. Obviously there other players I like everyone would like to see in the Mayo front six but this has been done to death already over numerous threads and I don't have anthing more to add to the views held on those other players.
I just wanted to try from Horan's point of view with my own slant on it ,to tease out what exactly we could tweak with the raw materials that are likely to be used by Horan & co. So yeah I suppose you are right it is neither one or the other ;D
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
CO'C?
Correct. He s a dead cert too. 2/6. Not too bad I suppose ;)
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2014, 03:06:40 PM
CO'C?
Correct. He s a dead cert too. 2/6. Not too bad I suppose ;)
I think it's time you brought in Regan.. Barry Regan.
Moysider I like your front 3 and much prefer Kevin Mc out the field. The other 2 are debatable although the young O'Conner did ok for a debut I thought.
Evan Regan is gone for this year lads, can we not forget about a young lad who undoubtedly has a lot of ability, but is totally unproven. We have a panel of players who are there now for this year and a management team and can we not get behind them. Brian Coady dropped men with All Ireland Medals in their back pockets like Charlie Carter, we still have lads on about Ciaran McDonald and Conor Mortimer they have had their time.
Richie Feeney is a squad player, lord you would think he was Maurice Fitzgerald the way some people are talking. Let Management manage and if you are not happy get your County Board Delegates to act. We have an exceptional group of committed footballers who are trying everything to win an All Ireland and we are dissecting every decision made in minute detail. Get behind the lads and support those who are there and try and leave your club allegiances outside this forum.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 03:24:27 PM
Evan Regan is gone for this year lads, can we not forget about a young lad who undoubtedly has a lot of ability, but is totally unproven. We have a panel of players who are there now for this year and a management team and can we not get behind them. Brian Coady dropped men with All Ireland Medals in their back pockets like Charlie Carter, we still have lads on about Ciaran McDonald and Conor Mortimer they have had their time.
Richie Feeney is a squad player, lord you would think he was Maurice Fitzgerald the way some people are talking. Let Management manage and if you are not happy get your County Board Delegates to act. We have an exceptional group of committed footballers who are trying everything to win an All Ireland and we are dissecting every decision made in minute detail. Get behind the lads and support those who are there and try and leave your club allegiances outside this forum.
Get behind the lads?
Except the ones you want to denigrate?
Have we any player of the calibre of Maurice Fitzgerald, No. I am denigrating them all so.
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibbons on the 40 Larry and personally I would like to see the two bears and Gibbons in and around the middle third. I have a feeling based on last years league that Horan prefers Aidan for the no 11 spot and could go with Seami and Jason in the engine room. This mightn't be a bad combo and Jason's mobility along with his foot passing will certainly spice up the ponderous one paced stuff we saw in the Hyde.
Here is the 8 to 15 that Horan might pick that I would like to see the next day ,
Seami O'S, A O' Shea
Kevin Mac, Jason Gibbons, D O' Connor
Cillian O' C, Freeman, Jason Doc
So it s neither one or the other so?
Better chance of predicting next weeks lotto numbers than Mayo forwards. Kevin Mac is the only dead cert starter and God knows what role he ll be given.
Well Moy what I was trying to get at is what I would like to see based on what Horan is willing to risk without out losing the basic elements he expects for his game plan. Obviously there other players I like everyone would like to see in the Mayo front six but this has been done to death already over numerous threads and I don't have anthing more to add to the views held on those other players.
I just wanted to try from Horan's point of view with my own slant on it ,to tease out what exactly we could tweak with the raw materials that are likely to be used by Horan & co. So yeah I suppose you are right it is neither one or the other ;D
So you think it s likely he ll send Kevin Mac back out? Playing Doc in the corner would be a bit more of a surprise as he s mostly used him in hf line in championship. The forward line started the last day made no sense and it didn t turn out to be a roaring success either on the day. Will he retain the younger O Connor? Certainly the lad works really hard anyway. We might get a bit of a notion of what theyre thinking from training over next few weeks. Right now not a clue what to expect and no point picking what I think he should pick or like to see.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 03:21:33 PM
Moysider I like your front 3 and much prefer Kevin Mc out the field. The other 2 are debatable although the young O'Conner did ok for a debut I thought.
Eh?
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
Have we any player of the calibre of Maurice Fitzgerald, No. I am denigrating them all so.
Indeed. So why mention only one name?
This is a discussion forum. People are just giving opinions. Most are reasonable. Any criticism is fairly mild and balanced too.
We re not cheerleaders.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
Have we any player of the calibre of Maurice Fitzgerald, No. I am denigrating them all so.
You sneered at anyone who questions Horan's treatment of Feeney by saying
'lord you would think he was Maurice Fitzgerald the way some people are talking'. Your sarcasm was only directed at Feeney.
We have seen this before too: http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/mayos-lunatic-fringe-need-lay-horan-remarkable-achievements (http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/mayos-lunatic-fringe-need-lay-horan-remarkable-achievements)
This summer, that man is Richie Feeney, a good player no doubt, a stalwart of Castlebar's success, but with every game he doesn't play, he goes from a good player to the perfect cross between Trevor Giles and Maurice Fitzgerald in the eyes of the detractors.No one anywhere said he is Trevor Giles or Maurice Fitzgerald. Nor does he have to be that good. However we only have to opine that he was worth a place ahead of, either, Conor O'Shea or Diarmuid O'Connor the last day. That is all. Or that he might have been a better option out the field for the last 15 mins against Dub than Enda Varley, a full time corner forward.
The hyperbola used to attack Feeney by Horan supporters betrays their real thoughts.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
Have we any player of the calibre of Maurice Fitzgerald, No. I am denigrating them all so.
Indeed. So why mention only one name?
This is a discussion forum. People are just giving opinions. Most are reasonable. Any criticism is fairly mild and balanced too.
We re not cheerleaders though.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:37:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 03:21:33 PM
Moysider I like your front 3 and much prefer Kevin Mc out the field. The other 2 are debatable although the young O'Conner did ok for a debut I thought.
Eh?
Sorry, confused by the quote of a quote.
It was Crete Boom's selection I think.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2014, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 26, 2014, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
Now people are talking sense about the whole forward ethos of Horans style. It doesn't suit some players but that doesn't stop the lazy pundit like myself pointing out that maybe there are more gifted forward players not been selected . Nobody wants to go down the road of pointing out players who have showed their inability in front of the posts I. Crucial moments like in an all Ireland final but it has happened even as simple as 21 yard kicks at points in the game where we needed to develop a gap when on top of the dubs for example. Kicks that young Regan would convert imo but then again I can't actually prove it either.
Anyways even though I'm guilty here but there is no sense in going over and over the subject as a supporter my job is to support the men who are there and get behind them 100% and that I will do.
The 13 th of July presents us with a challenge , we just scrapped through the Hyde park one a game despite all the usual script I believe the players and management underestimated Ross (I did too ) .We really need to hit this game head on, command the middle and to do that our midfield will have to up their game , I believe that o cuairrion is coming of age this year , he commanded the skies kevin Walsh esque at times v Sligo albeit jimmy k didn't have his best day out , he put in a couple of great blocks but didn't break much ball and didn't get in tight enough either.
Walsh had a stormer but should be welcomed to championship football in Castlebar in a different style, I'd expect kavanagh to start if fit , he is another danger man and a well drilled one at that, he could be a massive addition to the inexperienced few around him, I doubt they'll go with Armstrong even if fit.
Who will our midfield be, will he stay with two bears or go with one along with gibbons. Gibbons was the man who shone in the league campaign, I think we need to accomadate for the three of them somehow, I'm not sure how it can be done , maybe gibbons on the 40?
I wouldn't mind seeing Gibbons on the 40 Larry and personally I would like to see the two bears and Gibbons in and around the middle third. I have a feeling based on last years league that Horan prefers Aidan for the no 11 spot and could go with Seami and Jason in the engine room. This mightn't be a bad combo and Jason's mobility along with his foot passing will certainly spice up the ponderous one paced stuff we saw in the Hyde.
Here is the 8 to 15 that Horan might pick that I would like to see the next day ,
Seami O'S, A O' Shea
Kevin Mac, Jason Gibbons, D O' Connor
Cillian O' C, Freeman, Jason Doc
So it s neither one or the other so?
Better chance of predicting next weeks lotto numbers than Mayo forwards. Kevin Mac is the only dead cert starter and God knows what role he ll be given.
Well Moy what I was trying to get at is what I would like to see based on what Horan is willing to risk without out losing the basic elements he expects for his game plan. Obviously there other players I like everyone would like to see in the Mayo front six but this has been done to death already over numerous threads and I don't have anthing more to add to the views held on those other players.
I just wanted to try from Horan's point of view with my own slant on it ,to tease out what exactly we could tweak with the raw materials that are likely to be used by Horan & co. So yeah I suppose you are right it is neither one or the other ;D
So you think it s likely he ll send Kevin Mac back out? Playing Doc in the corner would be a bit more of a surprise as he s mostly used him in hf line in championship. The forward line started the last day made no sense and it didn t turn out to be a roaring success either on the day. Will he retain the younger O Connor? Certainly the lad works really hard anyway. We might get a bit of a notion of what theyre thinking from training over next few weeks. Right now not a clue what to expect and no point picking what I think he should pick or like to see.
I suppose it is futile trying to pick a possible front 6 so far out but hey I am bored in work so I thought I might ammuse myself by tapping into the Mayo circus 2014 ;D.
Richie Feeney is used constantly as stick to beat Horan over the head with, I used his example because his name appears 85 times in this particular Forum. Horan obviously doesn't see a role for Richie Feeney which is his prerogative as Manager. It is not a supporters job to question a players treatment he should be able to speak to the manager himself. Should James Horan have to log on here on a Monday morning and justify his treatment of players. You might not get the kind of answers you would like when it comes to some players who have made themselves unavailable for selection.
And by the way I'm no apologist for James Horan. I feel he has made mistakes during his tenure but it is not his job to explain them to me.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
Richie Feeney is used constantly as stick to beat Horan over the head with, I used his example because his name appears 85 times in this particular Forum. Horan obviously doesn't see a role for Richie Feeney which is his prerogative as Manager. It is not a supporters job to question a players treatment he should be able to speak to the manager himself. Should James Horan have to log on here on a Monday morning and justify his treatment of players. You might not get the kind of answers you would like when it comes to some players who have made themselves unavailable for selection.
And by the way I'm no apologist for James Horan. I feel he has made mistakes during his tenure but it is not his job to explain them to me.
This is ridiculous.
Should supporters have no opinions?
Should we remain silent at all time except to cheer?
And if, as you say Feeney has been used as a stick to beat Horan, could it be possible that there is a reason for that?
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
Richie Feeney is used constantly as stick to beat Horan over the head with, I used his example because his name appears 85 times in this particular Forum. Horan obviously doesn't see a role for Richie Feeney which is his prerogative as Manager. It is not a supporters job to question a players treatment he should be able to speak to the manager himself. Should James Horan have to log on here on a Monday morning and justify his treatment of players. You might not get the kind of answers you would like when it comes to some players who have made themselves unavailable for selection.
And by the way I'm no apologist for James Horan. I feel he has made mistakes during his tenure but it is not his job to explain them to me.
Such as?
No reason according to Richie himself.
It was being said that I drove to the All-Ireland final on my own," says Feeney. "There was talk of a big bust-up in the camp. All of those rumours were completely untrue. "Feeney was disappointed he never got a chance against Dublin, but there was no point expending any more emotional energy when he didn't. "When you don't get a run, you are obviously disappointed," he says. "Maybe you feel yourself that you could have done something to make a difference. The manager just tried other things on the day. "That is just the way it is and there is nothing you can do about it. You have to respect the manager's decision".
We all have opinions as supporters but this constant negativity with regard to Regan/Feeney is not helping anyone.
If you have concerns about the Managements abilities feel free to get your club delegate to express them in the appropriate forum at a County Board Meeting. Get your Club to propose an alternative Kevin McStay seems to be the popular choice emanating from North Mayo.
Ahh you're just being ridiculous redcol. We're all on the same side here.
Feeney would be some eejit to tell the media if something did happen if he had any ambitions of being part of the team this year. I don't know what that proves or dis-proves, Redcol.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
No reason according to Richie himself.
It was being said that I drove to the All-Ireland final on my own," says Feeney. "There was talk of a big bust-up in the camp. All of those rumours were completely untrue. "Feeney was disappointed he never got a chance against Dublin, but there was no point expending any more emotional energy when he didn't. "When you don't get a run, you are obviously disappointed," he says. "Maybe you feel yourself that you could have done something to make a difference. The manager just tried other things on the day. "That is just the way it is and there is nothing you can do about it. You have to respect the manager's decision".
We all have opinions as supporters but this constant negativity with regard to Regan/Feeney is not helping anyone.
If you have concerns about the Managements abilities feel free to get your club delegate to express them in the appropriate forum at a County Board Meeting. Get your Club to propose an alternative Kevin McStay seems to be the popular choice emanating from North Mayo.
I am extremely positive on Feeney. ;D
You are the one being negative about him.
As for this:
"If you have concerns about the Managements abilities feel free to get your club delegate to express them in the appropriate forum at a County Board Meeting"Your proposal is a standard FF Cumann/GAA CB/Trade Union Conference/Cabinet etc put-down of anyone who has an opinion that differs from those at the top table.
This is the internet age and people's will have opinions that differ from yours. If you have an issue with that I suggest you mention it to your club delegate.
No manager ever elected on a Message Board ;) Would be good crack though. We might have a FF line of Regan / Feeney / Mort. and we might be better off. ;D
I would bring in Shane Nally at 7. Caolan Crowe at 11. Would that be classed as Club Allegiance.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
No reason according to Richie himself.
It was being said that I drove to the All-Ireland final on my own," says Feeney. "There was talk of a big bust-up in the camp. All of those rumours were completely untrue. "Feeney was disappointed he never got a chance against Dublin, but there was no point expending any more emotional energy when he didn't. "When you don't get a run, you are obviously disappointed," he says. "Maybe you feel yourself that you could have done something to make a difference. The manager just tried other things on the day. "That is just the way it is and there is nothing you can do about it. You have to respect the manager's decision".
We all have opinions as supporters but this constant negativity with regard to Regan/Feeney is not helping anyone.
If you have concerns about the Managements abilities feel free to get your club delegate to express them in the appropriate forum at a County Board Meeting. Get your Club to propose an alternative Kevin McStay seems to be the popular choice emanating from North Mayo.
Ah Yes Kevin MacStay the head of the unholy North Mayo demon that is Ballina Stephenites. ;D ;D Maybe Evan Regan should transfer to some well to do club south like I dunno garrymore to get picked ;D ;D ;D ;D If Galway beat us which they normally do around this time of our cylce of All Ireland pain this place will definitely go into meltdown ;D.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 04:51:28 PM
No manager ever elected on a Message Board ;) Would be good crack though. We might have a FF line of Regan / Feeney / Mort. and we might be better off. ;D
I would bring in Shane Nally at 7. Caolan Crowe at 11. Would that be classed as Club Allegiance.
Disappointing post.
It s one thing to defend James Horan against any criticism (mostly very mild it has to be said) but quite another to sarcastically name players in another effort to discredit them. I can t remember Nally or Crowe even been mentioned as contenders in recent years. Must have missed that bit. I could name a ff line from the forwards in the squad that wouldn t exactly scare the living daylights out of anybody, but players can do without being ridiculed, even ina forum is as harmless as this is.
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 10:09:19 PM
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Richie would be a contender for HF, not FF, and even then most people are arguing for his introduction as a sub, not necessarily as a starter. Why so touchy about him?
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 10:09:19 PM
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Not true. In recent years lads like McBrearty, Mannion and McCafferty had AI winners medals at a younger age.
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 10:09:19 PM
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Richie would be a contender for HF, not FF, and even then most people are arguing for his introduction as a sub, not necessarily as a starter. Why so touchy about him?
Ah now!! You're the chief drum-beater in that regard. And for what it's worth, I think Feeney has been hard done by, and at the time I thought last year's final was calling out for him to be introduced.
But I definitely think it's being latched onto by some as a huge injustice, far greater than is warranted. He's not getting the chance many thinks he deserves, but he's not the first and won't be the last. And remember he was a starter in the half-back line for Horan in 2011, he lost his place and hasn't won it back. That's the way it goes.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2014, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 10:09:19 PM
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Richie would be a contender for HF, not FF, and even then most people are arguing for his introduction as a sub, not necessarily as a starter. Why so touchy about him?
Ah now!! You're the chief drum-beater in that regard. And for what it's worth, I think Feeney has been hard done by, and at the time I thought last year's final was calling out for him to be introduced.
But I definitely think it's being latched onto by some as a huge injustice, far greater than is warranted. He's not getting the chance many thinks he deserves, but he's not the first and won't be the last. And remember he was a starter in the half-back line for Horan in 2011, he lost his place and hasn't won it back. That's the way it goes.
You show me a post where I claim any more than what you say here:
"I think Feeney has been hard done by, and at the time I thought last year's final was calling out for him to be introduced.", and I will not make another comment on the issue.
The 'great injustice' claim is actually sarcasm from those dismissing him as far as I can see. See the comparisons with Trevor Giles and Maurice Fitz and who made them.
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
We are getting touchy with each other because we have been here before. About this time Galway swan in and put us out of our misery so to speak and signal the end for this team. Another chapter for the House of Pain volume 2. :'(
I suppose we will back again for some fun in about 7 or 8 years ;).
" Hell goes round and round. In shape it is circular, and by nature it is interminable, repetitive, and nearly unbearable. " Which about sums it up for most Mayo fans following this county for the last 25 years!!
Quote from: Tubberman on June 26, 2014, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 26, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: REDCOL on June 26, 2014, 10:09:19 PM
Ease up Moysider, Never tried to discredit them. Conor is our all time top scorer, Richie has given great service and Evan is only a young lad, my point was that if the team was picked by Message Board Post this would be a potential FF Line. It may or may not be better than what we have at the moment.
As for Nally and Crowe there is talk of them being contenders this end of the county.
Richie would be a contender for HF, not FF, and even then most people are arguing for his introduction as a sub, not necessarily as a starter. Why so touchy about him?
Ah now!! You're the chief drum-beater in that regard. And for what it's worth, I think Feeney has been hard done by, and at the time I thought last year's final was calling out for him to be introduced. But I definitely think it's being latched onto by some as a huge injustice, far greater than is warranted. He's not getting the chance many thinks he deserves, but he's not the first and won't be the last. And remember he was a starter in the half-back line for Horan in 2011, he lost his place and hasn't won it back. That's the way it goes.
Sure that s the thing Tubberman. It was a one point game. How important could a Feeney substitution have been in the circumstances? I don t think this is about individual players and injustice though. It s about choices and decision making. The decision not to introduce Feeney last year will always be 'what could have been'. People suggest he broke a drink ban. If he did and as a manager you want to be thick about it you don t have him around. Drop him from the final panel. Not get watery about it. What you don t do is partially exclude him. Tog him out but have no notion of playing him even though the game 'was calling out for him to be introduced'. That episode does not mean that JH owes Feeney anything now or that Feeney should be playing now. That episode could have cost us an AI. So it was a big thing for a lot of people. Not just Horan and Feeney.
Also management choose to keep a 30+ Alan Murphy in the squad last June and told a talented 19 yr to f**k off for himself - as politely as you can do that by text of course. Was Murphy going to be used much or at all? Where is he now? If the County Board make you cut the panel why choose to cut a 19yr old that scored 3-5 three days earlier and keep a guy that spent most of his time playing soccer and has little future? Murphy is no longer about and the other lad isn t either. He - possibly wisely- decided he had no future here after how he was treated.
These are choices and decisions that management make. These decisions affect all of us that like Mayo football. Not just individual players like Richie Feeney. As regards the 'get behind the team' mantra ..... hate that tbh. It s just another way of telling somebody to 'shut the f**k up'. I don t like to be told to get behind a team. How does somebody get behind a team?
I respect JH decisions and his perogative to make them. I just dont always agree with them. I think he s done a great job overall but just shy in a few bits, that s all. I ve seen so many regrets in the past, I hope the Horan era doesn t end up in regrets as well.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.
I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
We've been actively becoming much more capable defensively, the system we deployed against Mayo was first seen last July against Tyrone, Galway still look like the same Galway they've always been. Even in the Sligo game they didn't show any real bite and were Sligo half decent I'd have fancied them to win. They may have improved a little in what they do but what they do isn't what's going to give them a chance against Mayo.
In this day and age and with that panel of players that's not a good match-up against a lot of sides, Mayo being one of the worst of all and particularly at home. Maybe Galway can wow us and Mulholland shows us he has more of a tactical brain than he has displayed so far but honestly the signposts have not been there in the league or in the championship under Mulholland.
If they abandon their addiction to 'Galway' football and even put in a defensive, battling loss to Mayo like we did it will be the first real proof that they're turning the corner.
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Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
We've been actively becoming much more capable defensively, the system we deployed against Mayo was first seen last July against Tyrone, Galway still look like the same Galway they've always been. Even in the Sligo game they didn't show any real bite and were Sligo half decent I'd have fancied them to win. They may have improved a little in what they do but what they do isn't what's going to give them a chance against Mayo.
In this day and age and with that panel of players that's not a good match-up against a lot of sides, Mayo being one of the worst of all and particularly at home. Maybe Galway can wow us and Mulholland shows us he has more of a tactical brain than he has displayed so far but honestly the signposts have not been there in the league or in the championship under Mulholland.If they abandon their addiction to 'Galway' football and even put in a defensive, battling loss to Mayo like we did it will be the first real proof that they're turning the corner.
Hmmmmm. I was hoping that Sligo would take the game to Galway just to see how Galway would set up. That did not happen. Sligo played defensively from the start so that scenario didn t happen. It would be a big ask for them to do it now. Maybe they did a defensive game in the league? On the other hand they could they could take it on the traditional way? If they believe their midfield is better than us they ll go that way.
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Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
Mayo weren't that much better than Galway in 96 and 97 really. The 2 teams were close enough talent wise.
The last few years are a different story. But all teams eventually flop.
I don't think it'll be this year Mayo do.
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Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
I would agree with the majority of that.
We'll soon see what were about in a few week. I do think individual players have made plenty of progression, as a group though we've probably progressed slightly but to what extent remains unknown and we could have only gone one way after the heavy defeat last May. I'd have got rid of Mulholland last year after the Mayo game but whilst he's in the job he has the opportunity to prove me wrong. As I've mentioned before an average Sligo team found it very easy to get scores in the first half. I hope we react to the intensity Mayo will bring to the pitch and the pressure are backs will be on when in possession, as a group they won't have experienced that since last May.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
I would agree with the majority of that.
We'll soon see what were about in a few week. I do think individual players have made plenty of progression, as a group though we've probably progressed slightly but to what extent remains unknown and we could have only gone one way after the heavy defeat last May. I'd have got rid of Mulholland last year after the Mayo game but whilst he's in the job he has the opportunity to prove me wrong. As I've mentioned before an average Sligo team found it very easy to get scores in the first half. I hope we react to the intensity Mayo will bring to the pitch and the pressure are backs will be on when in possession, as a group they won't have experienced that since last May.
I think Mulholland's job was to stop the rot and bring on the u21s even though there were so few decent older senior players to help them blend into the team. That's why he got 3 years.
If he could bring this team to the quarter finals it would be a decent achievement.
He's not the greatest manager ever but he did what was asked of him, I think.
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
If we are competitive throughout and lose by 5 or 6 I could accept that as a decent showing for a young side. I just don't see us going as defensive as Roscommon did even though it almost worked for them. I'm sure we will try and get players behind the ball though to some degree.
Next year is probably a year to target a major step up. We would have Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo all at home were we to meet any of them so you would expect a strong tilt at a Connacht title next year with a slightly more mature side.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2014, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 26, 2014, 11:32:59 PM
Let them argue among themselves. Our revenge is coming I hope!
Revenge for what!
We never did ye any harm. We still owe ye for '98. Biggest ambush ever.
There are parallels with this year.
This ain't a Galway team that will be upsetting any Rhubarbs in McHale Park this year. The comparisons to '98 are a long way off the mark from what I've seen.I still think it's even up in the air if Galway have turned a corner. The Sligo game was a nothing match and reading much of anything into it would be foolish for Galway or Mayo. Cork is the stand-out performance under Mulholland for Galway and Cork were both immobile in defence and willing to try and have a skills contest, the perfect sort of outfit to make a Connacht team look good.
I'd have loved a Roscommon-Galway final this year because even though we're a younger team Galway still look greener.
The intensity Mayo bring in their tackling absolutely destroyed Galway last year. Whatever about anything else that's still there and it should cause what looks like a light Galway 9-15 a lot of trouble.
Look, Ros and Galway would be an interesting game right now. If Ros can do a job on Mayo, why not Galway?
If a team is innocent, like both Galway and Ros were last year, this Mayo team will destroy them. But everybody knows now how to play Mayo.
I would agree with the majority of that.
We'll soon see what were about in a few week. I do think individual players have made plenty of progression, as a group though we've probably progressed slightly but to what extent remains unknown and we could have only gone one way after the heavy defeat last May. I'd have got rid of Mulholland last year after the Mayo game but whilst he's in the job he has the opportunity to prove me wrong. As I've mentioned before an average Sligo team found it very easy to get scores in the first half. I hope we react to the intensity Mayo will bring to the pitch and the pressure are backs will be on when in possession, as a group they won't have experienced that since last May.
I think Mulholland's job was to stop the rot and bring on the u21s even though there were so few decent older senior players to help them blend into the team. That's why he got 3 years.
If he could bring this team to the quarter finals it would be a decent achievement.
He's not the greatest manager ever but he did what was asked of him, I think.
I'm not sure, this is his 3rd year, he's done nothing of note so far. We could get a hiding from Mayo then end up playing a div 3/4 team in the final qualifying round as we can't face any Div 1/2 teams and then end up getting hammered in the quarters. That isn't progress, we just got a lucky draw and beat a few div 3/4 sides along the way. Progress will be giving Mayo a game and the same will go for a potential quarter final should we make it.
I don't like been too negative though, we've got some very good young players who appear to be developing well and some decent older lads. If we can stop from them scoring goals we might just give them a game. If were setup like we were in the first half against Sligo we will certainly concede a few goals.
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Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
If we are competitive throughout and lose by 5 or 6 I could accept that as a decent showing for a young side. I just don't see us going as defensive as Roscommon did even though it almost worked for them. I'm sure we will try and get players behind the ball though to some degree.
Next year is probably a year to target a major step up. We would have Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo all at home were we to meet any of them so you would expect a strong tilt at a Connacht title next year with a slightly more mature side.
I agree, I'd be reasonably content with that. Just because Roscommon gave them a close game doesn't mean we will. There are 2 issues folk are factoring in, Roscommon played in a far more negative manner than we will and Mayo have already been caught on the hop and are unlikely to do so again against inferior opposition.
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Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
If we are competitive throughout and lose by 5 or 6 I could accept that as a decent showing for a young side. I just don't see us going as defensive as Roscommon did even though it almost worked for them. I'm sure we will try and get players behind the ball though to some degree.
Next year is probably a year to target a major step up. We would have Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo all at home were we to meet any of them so you would expect a strong tilt at a Connacht title next year with a slightly more mature side.
I agree, I'd be reasonably content with that. Just because Roscommon gave them a close game doesn't mean we will. There are 2 issues folk are factoring in, Roscommon played in a far more negative manner than we will and Mayo have already been caught on the hop and are unlikely to do so again against inferior opposition.
Why wouldn't Galway play 'negatively'? If I'm being honest ye look a more limited side than us, the simple fact is the way you beat Mayo by blocking the channels for their HBs and harassing them at every opportunity. I've never seen Colm Boyle and Lee Keegan look so average and frustrated as they did in the Hyde last time out.
You want to almost disparage it by labelling it negative - it's simply the way you trouble and potentially beat Mayo. We played grand ould Connacht football in every other competitive game this year, pushing men forward, cutting teams open and averaging north of 20 points a game. We just were smart enough to know our opposition and that the same tactics weren't going to work against them.
Were they caught on the hop by Tyrone in the AISF for the first 40 too? It's simply a formation Mayo struggle to deal with, no more and no less. Whether Galway have the skill to actually pull it off to a good level is another question but it certainly is their best bet to even make it a 5-6 point game.
If the last year hasn't taught Mulholland that much it's a sad indictment of him as a manager.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 27, 2014, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
If we are competitive throughout and lose by 5 or 6 I could accept that as a decent showing for a young side. I just don't see us going as defensive as Roscommon did even though it almost worked for them. I'm sure we will try and get players behind the ball though to some degree.
Next year is probably a year to target a major step up. We would have Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo all at home were we to meet any of them so you would expect a strong tilt at a Connacht title next year with a slightly more mature side.
I agree, I'd be reasonably content with that. Just because Roscommon gave them a close game doesn't mean we will. There are 2 issues folk are factoring in, Roscommon played in a far more negative manner than we will and Mayo have already been caught on the hop and are unlikely to do so again against inferior opposition.
Why wouldn't Galway play 'negatively'? If I'm being honest ye look a more limited side than us, the simple fact is the way you beat Mayo by blocking the channels for their HBs and harassing them at every opportunity. I've never seen Colm Boyle and Lee Keegan look so average and frustrated as they did in the Hyde last time out.
You want to almost disparage it by labelling it negative - it's simply the way you trouble and potentially beat Mayo. We played grand ould Connacht football in every other competitive game this year, pushing men forward, cutting teams open and averaging north of 20 points a game. We just were smart enough to know our opposition and that the same tactics weren't going to work against them.
Were they caught on the hop by Tyrone in the AISF for the first 40 too? It's simply a formation Mayo struggle to deal with, no more and no less. Whether Galway have the skill to actually pull it off to a good level is another question but it certainly is their best bet to even make it a 5-6 point game.
If the last year hasn't taught Mulholland that much it's a sad indictment of him as a manager.
You're winding me up if you're really offended by labelling the performance negative. You did what was required to give yourselves the best possible chance of beating the better side. Its a game you should have won, fitness played its part, Mayo got a few scores they wouldn't have got inside the first 60 mins.
Surely you can see my from posts that I'm encouraging Mulholland to be more 'negative', I'm very worried we'll be easily beaten again.
You could well be right about us been more limited, only time will tell.
Mulholland will have learned from last years experience but too what extent we won't find out until matchday.
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2014, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 27, 2014, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 27, 2014, 04:13:31 PM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
If we are competitive throughout and lose by 5 or 6 I could accept that as a decent showing for a young side. I just don't see us going as defensive as Roscommon did even though it almost worked for them. I'm sure we will try and get players behind the ball though to some degree.
Next year is probably a year to target a major step up. We would have Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo all at home were we to meet any of them so you would expect a strong tilt at a Connacht title next year with a slightly more mature side.
I agree, I'd be reasonably content with that. Just because Roscommon gave them a close game doesn't mean we will. There are 2 issues folk are factoring in, Roscommon played in a far more negative manner than we will and Mayo have already been caught on the hop and are unlikely to do so again against inferior opposition.
Why wouldn't Galway play 'negatively'? If I'm being honest ye look a more limited side than us, the simple fact is the way you beat Mayo by blocking the channels for their HBs and harassing them at every opportunity. I've never seen Colm Boyle and Lee Keegan look so average and frustrated as they did in the Hyde last time out.
You want to almost disparage it by labelling it negative - it's simply the way you trouble and potentially beat Mayo. We played grand ould Connacht football in every other competitive game this year, pushing men forward, cutting teams open and averaging north of 20 points a game. We just were smart enough to know our opposition and that the same tactics weren't going to work against them.
Were they caught on the hop by Tyrone in the AISF for the first 40 too? It's simply a formation Mayo struggle to deal with, no more and no less. Whether Galway have the skill to actually pull it off to a good level is another question but it certainly is their best bet to even make it a 5-6 point game.
If the last year hasn't taught Mulholland that much it's a sad indictment of him as a manager.
I m not sure it s about being caught on the hop. I remember before the Ros game predicting that they would try to do a Tyrone on us. I m sure the Mayo players were expecting it. Similarly last year they must have been expecting Tyrone to squeeze us after what happened in Mayo s earlier games.
The problem is that we are not much good at dealing with it. We just keep carrying into the trap. That is why there is so much debate about the effectiveness of our inside forwards. If we had good ball winners inside we could keep oppositions more honest. As it is they can target our running game with numbers and gamble that our inside line can be minded one on one.
I see Tom Parsons took no part in last weeks club game. Both Chris Barrett and Keith Higgins played in the hf line for their respective clubs. By all accounts Higgins had a miller of a game. So if Barrett is back to full fitness it means that Keith will be in the running for a forward position.
"Why wouldn't Galway play 'negatively'? If I'm being honest ye look a more limited side than us, the simple fact is the way you beat Mayo by blocking the channels for their HBs and harassing them at every opportunity. I've never seen Colm Boyle and Lee Keegan look so average and frustrated as they did in the Hyde last time out."
13 years mo chara.
Last year the game was lost from Galway in the first half, partly because they were being beaten around the field, but mainly because of an absolute mess up in the full back line, gifting two goals away that effectively killed the game as a contest. The line consisted of 3 kids just barely out of u21, none of whom will be playing this year. There was no organisation and Mayo were tearing them to shreads even without the gifts. Out the field we were doing ok and even started the second half brightly, before Coleman and Bradshaw stupidly got sent off, killing the game completely, and Mayo ran up the score from there. While Mayo were obviously much superior last year in all areas, the least id hope this time is that with Hanley back there organising things and two compentent corner backs, the game isnt handed to Mayo within 20 mins.
There's no way Galway will set up like Roscommon. While we wont want to get hammered, while we're in a Connacht final we at least want to give winning it a go. While Roscommon made it hard for Mayo, if Mayo hadnt had an atrocious shooting display in the first half, they'd have won relatively comfortably, if not by a wide margin. Sure, Galway could set up defensively, hope again that the Mayo forwards are completely off colour, hope for lucky breaks and hope to sneak a low scoring one by a point. Fairly far fetched that all will happen. I think most of Galway would prefer to play a proper game, and hope on an off chance we can beat them. A lot has to go for you in either scenario, and for the future of this team id much prefer the latter.
Mayo's half back line is key. Lundy is a very average footballer but is a workhorse and might be best to track Keegan coming forward. Hopefully they put Boyle in an CB too rather than at wing. I see Vaughan as the only weak link in the Mayo defence and am praying they'll place him on either Walsh or Conroy. Have a feeling Horan will be too cute for that, but then again he's persisted with vaughan for this long despite better options. Beyond that it's hard to see us getting much change. Cummins may be lively up front. Im going more in hope than expectation for our young midfield, but they can only improve by playing players in the caliber of the O'Shea's.
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QuoteDave Grohl and Freddie Roach recently became the latest high-profile celebrities to be coaxed into clambering aboard the annual Mayo for Sam bandwagon, but two girls from Mayo had another thing coming when they tried to get proud Boyle native Chris O'Dowd to change allegiances in New York last night.
Mayo ladies Tara McDonnell and Corina Galvin encountered the Moone Boy star last night in the Big Apple and while he agreed to hold up their Mayo for Sam sign (we assume it is compulsory for all Mayo people to have one in their possession at all times when travelling abroad), he did have a slight but very important amendment to make.
*Update: Corina has since got in touch to tell us that they actually tried to get Hollywood A-lister James Franco to hold up the sign first and when he wouldn't, Chris decided to have a little fun with it.
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 27, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
There's no way Galway will set up like Roscommon. While we wont want to get hammered, while we're in a Connacht final we at least want to give winning it a go. While Roscommon made it hard for Mayo, if Mayo hadnt had an atrocious shooting display in the first half, they'd have won relatively comfortably, if not by a wide margin.
While its very unlikely that Galway will set up defensive or want to get hammered i should point out the wide count in the 1st half was Mayo 9 Ros 4 and 3 or those 9 wides were miss placed passes that drifted out over the end line.
As to give winning it a go, we were leading by three points entering the final 8 mins and only for some atrocious shooting and wrong options taken from us we would have led by more. In the end indiscipline and lack of experience cost us.
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Quote from: Manning18 on June 27, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
There's no way Galway will set up like Roscommon. While we wont want to get hammered, while we're in a Connacht final we at least want to give winning it a go. While Roscommon made it hard for Mayo, if Mayo hadnt had an atrocious shooting display in the first half, they'd have won relatively comfortably, if not by a wide margin.
While its very unlikely that Galway will set up defensive or want to get hammered i should point out the wide count in the 1st half was Mayo 9 Ros 4 and 3 or those 9 wides were miss placed passes that drifted out over the end line.
As to give winning it a go, we were leading by three points entering the final 8 mins and only for some atrocious shooting and wrong options taken from us we would have led by more. In the end indiscipline and lack of experience cost us.
While there is no doubt we were lucky in the Hyde, Mayo did not perform to even 70% of what we have become used to in Connacht last two years . It doesn't bother me if ye want to take some sort of moral victory from it but I wouldn't get carried away if I were you. 2015 will see ya come to McHale park if we draw ye at some stage and that will be your make or break game. Personally I don't think Ross are all that and would predict Galway to take the torch off Mayo in terms of Connacht dominance .
Saying that there is no doubt Ross have improved over the last 12 months and have a handful of right good young fellas, maybe we will have three decent teams in Connacht soon. Even though I can't stand ye when it comes to GAA ,it wouldn't be a bad thing to have the three counties from the west up in croker around august time.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
Mayo did not perform to even 70% of what we have become used to in Connacht last two years . It doesn't bother me if ye want to take some sort of moral victory from it but I wouldn't get carried away if I were you.
How about you weren't allowed to perform to that level? last year we played the game with our old naive style that gave Mayo the freedom of MacHale park.
As for moral victory....... well Larry have a check of this quote.
Quote from: ross4life on June 09, 2014, 02:42:53 PM
The whole notion of a moral victory is a load of shite. We need to take as many positives out of yesterdays performance and quickly move on to the next game.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2014, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
Mayo did not perform to even 70% of what we have become used to in Connacht last two years . It doesn't bother me if ye want to take some sort of moral victory from it but I wouldn't get carried away if I were you.
How about you weren't allowed to perform to that level? last year we played the game with our old naive style that gave Mayo the freedom of MacHale park.
As for moral victory....... well Larry have a check of this quote.
Quote from: ross4life on June 09, 2014, 02:42:53 PM
The whole notion of a moral victory is a load of shite. We need to take as many positives out of yesterdays performance and quickly move on to the next game.
Tbh I'm not at all sure after the Hyde where we are at or where Ross are at either . Both counties should have a better idea after their next games (depending on who ya draw in yer case) .
Mayo looked lathergic at times, they might of underestimated the opposition too despite all the usual cliches comin from the camp. My own take on it is , Mayo are not at full throttle yet for the simple reason they can't sustain it like they did last year from May to august/sept(first half only) . I thought we tired in second half because of the full throttle that was maintained from Salthill right through. Maybe they have looked at that especially for certain personnel and figured it's better to save the best wine till last this year ,( maybe I'm just clutchin at straws).
Roscommon to me would of targeted the Mayo game as if it were there all Ireland final from the start of the year and if I'm right they could have a short stay in this years qualifiers.
Time will tell.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2014, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 27, 2014, 10:24:07 PM
Mayo did not perform to even 70% of what we have become used to in Connacht last two years . It doesn't bother me if ye want to take some sort of moral victory from it but I wouldn't get carried away if I were you.
How about you weren't allowed to perform to that level? last year we played the game with our old naive style that gave Mayo the freedom of MacHale park.
As for moral victory....... well Larry have a check of this quote.
Quote from: ross4life on June 09, 2014, 02:42:53 PM
The whole notion of a moral victory is a load of shite. We need to take as many positives out of yesterdays performance and quickly move on to the next game.
Tbh I'm not at all sure after the Hyde where we are at or where Ross are at either . Both counties should have a better idea after their next games (depending on who ya draw in yer case) .
Mayo looked lathergic at times, they might of underestimated the opposition too despite all the usual cliches comin from the camp. My own take on it is , Mayo are not at full throttle yet for the simple reason they can't sustain it like they did last year from May to august/sept(first half only) . I thought we tired in second half because of the full throttle that was maintained from Salthill right through. Maybe they have looked at that especially for certain personnel and figured it's better to save the best wine till last this year ,( maybe I'm just clutchin at straws).
Roscommon to me would of targeted the Mayo game as if it were there all Ireland final from the start of the year and if I'm right they could have a short stay in this years qualifiers.
Time will tell.
Some looked wrecked! Aidan O Sé was hands on knees, blowing hard with 15 to go. Looked like he was going to sit and play a defensive end game but for some reason he was shot and unable to shore up a hb line that was being run through. We ve seen Aidan being very good as a defensive midfielder for DIT when his midfield partner David Givney took the attacking role so it was bit disconcerting to say the least. The fact that Parsons, Barry and Gibbons were out left us shy for midfield back-up on the day too.
I m assuming that we were deliberately undercooked. It s impossible to hold a peak 3-4 months. Last year we held it Galway til Donegal and then tailed off.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 27, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
There's no way Galway will set up like Roscommon. While we wont want to get hammered, while we're in a Connacht final we at least want to give winning it a go. While Roscommon made it hard for Mayo, if Mayo hadnt had an atrocious shooting display in the first half, they'd have won relatively comfortably, if not by a wide margin.
While its very unlikely that Galway will set up defensive or want to get hammered i should point out the wide count in the 1st half was Mayo 9 Ros 4 and 3 or those 9 wides were miss placed passes that drifted out over the end line.
As to give winning it a go, we were leading by three points entering the final 8 mins and only for some atrocious shooting and wrong options taken from us we would have led by more. In the end indiscipline and lack of experience cost us.
What about fitness, didn't you concede 5 points from the 61st min onwards? Mayo only scored 8 points in the first hour.
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
FWIW, I reckon Galway could do us. We need to 'learn from our mistakes'. How often have I heard that shaggin' phrase used in the last 2 years!
Larryin89, can you explain why it is that you ''can't stand'' Roscommon on Gaa matters. We Rossies know that we wouldn't be very popular with a lot of Mayo Gaa people, but you seem to always have a particularly severe dose of it. So, can you give us an explanation larry? Surely you owe us that much.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 28, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: DJGaliv on June 27, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
It shows you how far Galway have fallen that all Mayo's concerns are about themselves (the make up and use of their squad for tougher tests ahead) and absolutely none are about any perceived threat from Galway.
To be honest I don't blame them. I would be happy if we could offer up some sort of test this year, and keep it within 5 or 6 points.
FWIW, I reckon Galway could do us. We need to 'learn from our mistakes'. How often have I heard that shaggin' phrase used in the last 2 years!
It's much more about Galway learning from their mistakes.
People are making the observation on Galway that we have a fair few average footballers that are workhorses. The likes of Lundy, Comer, Hoare. To be honest with you, the inclusion of these lads with a bit of balls about them ahead of other perhaps more stylish looking footballers is the reason I feel we have turned a corner.
Lets not get carried away, turning a corner doesn't mean that it's 1998 all over again. Moreso it means that we have got to the root of our problems and that it was all fur coat and no knickers.
We stopped realising that you need to win the battle first before you can win the game. The winning of breaking ball and defensive solidity need to be laid down first before any fancy dan play is added on top.
If we can return to the days of a top 8 county and over the next few years sneak a Connacht title and a promotion charge to division one then I'll be happy.
Not a bad place to be.
Last 8 of the minor.
Connacht senior final. If we lose, we re still alive. When ye think about it, the much maligned JH has never got/needed a second chance with a championship team.
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
No no no,I want four in a row.
I know what you're saying, it's neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things but i beg to differ , it would take the sting out of momentum for Mayo goin into august weekend. We are used to route one and route one only, it has stood to us . No matter what people say about Donegal last year and down the year before that and even cork in11 , we have been superb in quaters with Nestor under our oxter.
I'm not gettin carried away all of a sudden but we have to believe this team is been primed for aug weekend and it's been planned that way , what happens after that will be the testers, Cork then Kerry or visa versa, what better way to test if you've got wht it takes.
Thankfully, we've seemed to have gotten the oul' arguing amongst ourselves over with. It's just a pity Mayo have 5 weeks since they played Roscommon and this game. Galway have 3. It's a pity it wasn't on this Sunday.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
Thankfully, we've seemed to have gotten the oul' arguing amongst ourselves over with. It's just a pity Mayo have 5 weeks since they played Roscommon and this game. Galway have 3. It's a pity it wasn't on this Sunday.
It s only a temporary respite ;)
Quote from: moysider on June 30, 2014, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2014, 09:43:43 PM
Thankfully, we've seemed to have gotten the oul' arguing amongst ourselves over with. It's just a pity Mayo have 5 weeks since they played Roscommon and this game. Galway have 3. It's a pity it wasn't on this Sunday.
It s only a temporary respite ;)
http://youtu.be/pUC0LCi1VRk
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
Is the Qf draw not an open one? Four winners on one side, qualifiers on the other?
With the Ros minors on the bill it should add a few more thousand to the attendance. The Prenty dream final.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
Is the Qf draw not an open one? Four winners on one side, qualifiers on the other?
Nah, structured. Even the semi's are structured so that ye're meeting the winners of the other Munster vs Connacht QF.Potentially there could be a repeat of the connacht final in the semis!! Much more likely is a Mayo vs Kerry QF, and a Mayo/Kerry vs Cork Semi. No matter what happens, Mayo or even Galway for that matter cant meet Dublin or Donegal before the final
Quote from: Manning18 on July 01, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
Is the Qf draw not an open one? Four winners on one side, qualifiers on the other?
Nah, structured. Even the semi's are structured so that ye're meeting the winners of the other Munster vs Connacht QF.Potentially there could be a repeat of the connacht final in the semis!! Much more likely is a Mayo vs Kerry QF, and a Mayo/Kerry vs Cork Semi. No matter what happens, Mayo or even Galway for that matter cant meet Dublin or Donegal before the final
Which might not be a bad thing!
Imagine preferring to take on Cork or Kerry :-\ That can t end well either :(
At least the Connacht final should indicate if either team has any prospects later.
I understood it to be open draw for losing provincial finalist v Round 4 winners no?
26th July - Round 4A
Connacht finalists v Round 3A winner, Munster finalists v Round 3A winner.
2nd/3rd/4th August - Qtr Finals
Connacht champions v Round 4A winner, Munster Champions v round 4A winner
These details have been available since December/January - do some of ye ever read/listen/watch anything??? >:( ::)
Oh rite.So we couldn't meet Mayo again until the AI Final.Hmmmm interesting.Also.I take it that Mayo/Galway will be kept apart in the qf draw should both make it or else it will become a totally mockery of a back door.
This whole A and B thingy doesn't seem to have been properly thought through at all.
The Connacht version of it was the biggest joke of all.
Ros played Leitrim on 18th May but that was a B( later) game
The London game a week later was A (earlier)
Ros v Mayowestros 8th June - B
Galway v Sligo 21st June - A
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Can some officers of Co Boards/CC delegates start the process to get this silliness ended before the 2015 Championship pleeeaaassseeee.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
This whole A and B thingy doesn't seem to have been properly thought through at all.
The Connacht version of it was the biggest joke of all.
Ros played Leitrim on 18th May but that was a B( later) game
The London game a week later was A (earlier)
Ros v Mayowestros 8th June - B
Galway v Sligo 21st June - A
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Can some officers of Co Boards/CC delegates start the process to get this silliness ended before the 2015 Championship pleeeaaassseeee.
Ah tis only silly coz ye get Cavan away ;) Look at it this way, its another chance to use the bus
Is it compulsory that every thread on gaaboard.com have to have a Rossie slant to it or does it just happen naturally over time?
I was just clarifying the draw for a lot of folks who seem in the dark. This was very relevant as the Connacht Winners and Runners up are involved.
I then responded to a post about how daft the new backdoor system is.
I think you'll find the number of posts by the Mayowestros crew is about 10 times as many as by us bucks (depsite Syfín's best efforts :D).
Quote from: Rossfan on July 02, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
I was just clarifying the draw for a lot of folks who seem in the dark. This was very relevant as the Connacht Winners and Runners up are involved.
I then responded to a post about how daft the new backdoor system is.
I think you'll find the number of posts by the Mayowestros crew is about 10 times as many as by us bucks (depsite Syfín's best efforts :D).
Ah, but we don't go scuttering all over the place like a sheep with the runs and mucking up every thread in sight.
Aye, and you'll find that it takes about 40 of us to come up with as much shite as you and your apprentice.
;D
(Couldn't resist sticking that in.)
Lar - why don't you just go and F........ stop being nasty to your betters.
Back on topic:
http://www.hoganstand.com/Galway/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219658 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Galway/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219658)
Quote
Galway have been boosted by the return of Joss Moore to full fitness ahead of Sunday week's Connacht SFC final against Mayo.
The corner back, who won an All-Ireland U21 medal in 2011, has been sidelined since the end of the Allianz League with a knee cartilage problem, but returned to action for Mountbellew/Moylough in the Galway SFC last weekend and came through the game without any problems,
"It's a good boost. Joss has been out for a while, but thankfully he seems to have made a full recovery and it gives us more options facing into Mayo," Galway manager Alan Mulholland is quoted in the Irish Independent.
"We know what we are facing against them so we need to be picking from a full hand, but all of our lads came through a full round of club fixtures at the weekend and are now fully focused on Mayo."
Don't know how much shape he will be in for the Connacht final but he was one of Galway's better performers in the league and would have been a definite starter in the first two championship games if available, previous reports suggested he was done for the year with the knee injury.
Ros 0-20 Fancy Dans 1-13 FT in tonight's challenge match.
Details Sy. details.
That's 2 good wins for Ros in recent challenges. Where was the Fancy Dans match played Syferus?
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 03, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
That's 2 good wins for Ros in recent challenges. Where was the Fancy Dans match played Syferus?
Woodmount I think.
From someone over on Stolen Sheep that was there:
QuoteWe started at more or less full strength and won the first half easy about 17 to 3. Second half we made a lot of changes throughout and Galway came back strongly into the game. Galway seemed to go with a different 7/8 of their 1st 15 in either half, although their 2nd half team looked the stronger.
Diarmuid Murtagh, Enda Smith and Conoreen started the match.
How about keepin fcukin quiet about a behind doors match Syf?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 04, 2014, 10:43:01 AM
How about keepin fcukin quiet about a behind doors match Syf?
Our only hope was Cavan not knowing we're thinking about starting our U21s. We're fúcked now.
How about frigging off somewhere else with yere Roscommon challenge matches?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2014, 03:21:41 PM
How about frigging off somewhere else with yere Roscommon challenge matches?
I think the Fancy Dans would have a bit of interest in their own team.
Interesting to see in the local media that practically 200,000
euros has been spent on the Mayo Senior team so far this year, up to the end of May..No doubt the New York trip accounted for a fair bit of that.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 04, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
Interesting to see in the local media that practically 200,000
euros has been spent on the Mayo Senior team so far this year, up to the end of May..No doubt the New York trip accounted for a fair bit of that.
I wonder is that the raw figure without the compensation counties get from the Bekan grinders for flying over to NY?
On the evidence of this thread I concur with the majority, Roscommon have a great chance of winning the Nestor cup 2014.
Quote from: Syferus on July 03, 2014, 10:10:25 PM
Ros 0-20 Fancy Dans 1-13 FT in tonight's challenge match.
Were Galway playing?
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2014, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 04, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
Interesting to see in the local media that practically 200,000
euros has been spent on the Mayo Senior team so far this year, up to the end of May..No doubt the New York trip accounted for a fair bit of that.
I wonder is that the raw figure without the compensation counties get from the Bekan grinders for flying over to NY?
And I wonder wtf that is supposed to mean.
Can anyone translate please? ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2014, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2014, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 04, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
Interesting to see in the local media that practically 200,000
euros has been spent on the Mayo Senior team so far this year, up to the end of May..No doubt the New York trip accounted for a fair bit of that.
I wonder is that the raw figure without the compensation counties get from the Bekan grinders for flying over to NY?
And I wonder wtf that is supposed to mean.
Can anyone translate please? ;D
It's a bus thing.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 04, 2014, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2014, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 04, 2014, 06:42:29 PM
Interesting to see in the local media that practically 200,000
euros has been spent on the Mayo Senior team so far this year, up to the end of May..No doubt the New York trip accounted for a fair bit of that.
I wonder is that the raw figure without the compensation counties get from the Bekan grinders for flying over to NY?
And I wonder wtf that is supposed to mean.
Can anyone translate please? ;D
I found this, thought it might help you in your dilemma, Lar:
QuoteCounties get
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from
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to fly over to
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FqVHWXUi4N4/TZU6_rKziaI/AAAAAAAAC5I/slzEgIjuvaQ/s1600/liberty.JPG)
to play
(http://media.irishcentral.com/images/MI+Keith+Quinn+and+Brian+O+Connor+New+York+GAA.jpg)
in a game of
(http://www.curtinsports.ie/assets/galleries/3/gaelic-football.jpg)
Taken with permission from Advanced Level Picture-Book to Explain Basic Concepts to Mayo People (2012).
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2014, 03:21:41 PM
How about frigging off somewhere else with yere Roscommon challenge matches?
Your mate Moysider asked Syfín for details ;)
and the challenge match in question involved Galway, one of next weekend's Connacht Finalists.
Since when did Galway become 'the fancy dans'? Or does the Ross chip on shoulder mean the big two in Connacht must have nicknames? Both highly intelligent and inventive by the way.
Quote from: Ballaghman on July 06, 2014, 12:05:19 PM
Since when did Galway become 'the fancy dans'? Or does the Ross chip on shoulder mean the big two in Connacht must have nicknames? Both highly intelligent and inventive by the way.
Since that oul bollocks described them as playing fancy dan football after draw v Ros in ,98 I think. Pat Comer's film showed Johnno using the description as a stick to beat the team with before the replay.
That's it moy. It stems from the 98 Connacht final alright.
Typical Eugene McGee horse manure.
No more than his Larry McGann shite in the Indo every now and again.
I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
Quote from: highorlow on July 07, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Where would Moran be - CHF? Kevin Mc surely back to 10?
Looking forward to this game now. Weather forecast for Sunday looks showery at this early stage
Any updates on injuries? Andy? Barry? Clarke? Gibbons? Barrett? Anyone else?
Regardless of what happens for the rest of the year, winning four in a row would be a great achievement
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 07, 2014, 10:13:04 AM
Quote from: highorlow on July 07, 2014, 09:58:02 AM
I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Maybe highorlow has heard something. I can t see those changes myself - well not both. In fact I can t see Barry start unless one of the bears has been wounded.
Looks like Dillon, Andy, Barrett and Gibbons all available to be selected. Unlikely to happen on Sunday but a strongest Mayo 15 would have all 4 in it.
Personally I would only start one of Andy & Dillon with the other on the bench for early in the 2nd half. I wouldn't mind seeing sweeney starting, he adds some badly needed pace to the inside line
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I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Maybe highorlow has heard something. I can t see those changes myself - well not both. In fact I can t see Barry start unless one of the bears has been wounded.
Looks like Dillon, Andy, Barrett and Gibbons all available to be selected. Unlikely to happen on Sunday but a strongest Mayo 15 would have all 4 in it.
out of interest which 4 from last game would you drop out for those 4?
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 07, 2014, 09:08:47 PM
Personally I would only start one of Andy & Dillon with the other on the bench for early in the 2nd half. I wouldn't mind seeing sweeney starting, he adds some badly needed pace to the inside line
Probably agree. If we re to have any impact off the bench we ll have to keep one in reserve. My point was that I think we ll be at our strongest when these guys are on the field together. But finishing 15 probably more important than starting 15.
I m struggling to remember a Mayo team going into a Connacht final that was so difficult to predict.
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I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Maybe highorlow has heard something. I can t see those changes myself - well not both. In fact I can t see Barry start unless one of the bears has been wounded.
Looks like Dillon, Andy, Barrett and Gibbons all available to be selected. Unlikely to happen on Sunday but a strongest Mayo 15 would have all 4 in it.
out of interest which 4 from last game would you drop out for those 4?
If I wanted to start all 4 probably Vaughan, D O Connor, C O Sé and Doherty. But I did not necessarily mean to start all 4.
I think he may well hold either Andy or Dillon (possibly both) back in reserve and start one (or both) of the young buckeens again. Depends how they've shown in training since their 'no-show' against Ross but I'd say JH would love to have Andy and Dillon coming off the bench again. Risky strategy but one he may go with since neither of them are at full capacity at the moment.
Gibbons mobility would be a big plus but again he may not be fit enough for a full 70, same issue with Barrett. Moy, I'd agree with you about Vaughan, he's on borrowed time a good while now, still don't see him being dropped though.
Quote from: Ballaghman on July 07, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
I think he may well hold either Andy or Dillon (possibly both) back in reserve and start one (or both) of the young buckeens again. Depends how they've shown in training since their 'no-show' against Ross but I'd say JH would love to have Andy and Dillon coming off the bench again. Risky strategy but one he may go with since neither of them are at full capacity at the moment.
Gibbons mobility would be a big plus but again he may not be fit enough for a full 70, same issue with Barrett. Moy, I'd agree with you about Vaughan, he's on borrowed time a good while now, still don't see him being dropped though.
This is going to be a big test for Horan. Andy and Dillon have gone through the mill to get themselves right and back. Both are strong personalities and I can t see them being happy to sit on the bench and having bit parts. Especially if some of those starting are struggling. The Dublin template of finishing with a stronger forward line than started is all very fine but the starting 6 have to put in a good shift too. Not sure we have the forward talent to allow us hold Andy and Dillon in reserve unfortunately. We ll see.
I don t want to be lousy with Vaughan because he s had some barnstorming displays for us. But our running game has been rumbled and this is particularly unsettling Vaughan because he doesn t have another dimension. His kicking game can be awful.
If teams set up against us like they did in the early rounds last year then I d play him all day long. But when is that going to happen again.
In fact it remains to be seen can the team as a whole find another way to play and win. This game could tell us a lot yet.
Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
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Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
He's a strong, competitive lad alright.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
Maybe he was cat to start off with?
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
Maybe he was cat to start off with?
The cynic in me believes this to be true, but why bring him in if this is the case??
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Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
Maybe he was cat to start off with?
The cynic in me believes this to be true, but why bring him in if this is the case??
It was an experiment and maybe it may come to something yet. He hadn t played football for 15 years so there was no way of knowing if it would work out. It might yet. If it doesn t, no harm done. If it does work it will be a nice boost. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that.
Why you re focus on Duffy Farr? Surely there are bigger concerns going into this one.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
He gets to wear a special bib and all.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2014, 10:02:58 PM
Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
He gets to wear a special bib and all.
What about when he's not eating?
http://connachttribune.ie/boost-galway-footballers-quartet-get-injury-clear/
Galway footballers have received a major boost for their Connacht final clash with Mayo in Castlebar on Sunday (2pm) with Shane Walsh, Paul Conroy, James Kavanagh and Joss Moore all getting the all-clear from the medics.
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I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Maybe highorlow has heard something. I can t see those changes myself - well not both. In fact I can t see Barry start unless one of the bears has been wounded.
Looks like Dillon, Andy, Barrett and Gibbons all available to be selected. Unlikely to happen on Sunday but a strongest Mayo 15 would have all 4 in it.
out of interest which 4 from last game would you drop out for those 4?
If I wanted to start all 4 probably Vaughan, D O Connor, C O Sé and Doherty. But I did not necessarily mean to start all 4.
I can see Boyle and Vaughan swapping places alright but I can't see Vaughan or indeed any of the hb line being dropped unless it's because of injury.
I'd like to see both Keith & Donie playing CHB with them alternating between holding the middle and bombing up the field. Dependent on having Barrett or McHale / Keane playing in the corner
Barrett and Cunniffe should be in the corners, both solid and dependable, McHale hasnt shown enough there yet and well IMO Keane has had enough chances
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I'd say we will have 2 changes to our starters from the semi. B.Moran and Sweeney.
I wouldn't be at all surprised. Are you just guessing or have you any reason to suppose that the pair will start?
Maybe highorlow has heard something. I can t see those changes myself - well not both. In fact I can t see Barry start unless one of the bears has been wounded.
Looks like Dillon, Andy, Barrett and Gibbons all available to be selected. Unlikely to happen on Sunday but a strongest Mayo 15 would have all 4 in it.
out of interest which 4 from last game would you drop out for those 4?
If I wanted to start all 4 probably Vaughan, D O Connor, C O Sé and Doherty. But I did not necessarily mean to start all 4.
I can see Boyle and Vaughan swapping places alright but I can't see Vaughan or indeed any of the hb line being dropped unless it's because of injury.
Neither can I.
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Anybody know if Gavin Duffy might get a part to play this weekend or not? Just wondering, seen as Horan named him as the 'most improved player', last week.
He gets to wear a special bib and all.
What about when he's not eating?
His eating has come on leaps and bounds since he joined the panel. Now he just needs a knife and fork.
The following is from today's Mayo News
Cunniffe likely to miss out
Barrett and Keane on standby for Sunday's Connacht Final
Mike Finnerty
EXPERIENCED Mayo defender Tom Cunniffe is facing a race against time to be fit for next Sunday's Connacht SFC Final against Galway at MacHale Park, Castlebar (2pm).
The Castlebar Mitchels clubman was unable to play in last Sunday's 'Greens' versus 'Reds' final trial match as he continues his rehabilitation from an Achilles injury, and is considered to be extremely doubtful for next weekend's game.
Chris Barrett, who hasn't played for Mayo since last September's All-Ireland Final, and Kevin Keane are understood to be in pole position to replace Cunniffe if he fails to recover in time.
Barrett has been training fully with Mayo in recent weeks and has suffered no recurrence of the knee injury that saw him sidelined for more than six months.
Enda Varley is also available for selection after recovering from a hamstring strain, while Jason Gibbons (ankle), Donal Vaughan (ankle) and Cillian O'Connor (hamstring) all trained fully last weekend.
However, Sunday's game has come too soon for the unlucky Tom Parsons, who tore his hamstring in a club game in May.
The Charlestown midfielder has been working intensely to try and put himself back in the frame, but looks set to miss out.
James Horan is expected to name his team on Thursday with speculation mounting that there could be at least three changes from the Mayo side that beat Roscommon in the semi-final.
Barry Moran, Jason Gibbons, Andy Moran and Alan Dillon are all believed to be pushing hard for places.
Meanwhile, Galway have been boosted by the return of Joss Moore to full fitness ahead of Sunday's game. The corner-back, who won an All-Ireland U-21 medal in 2011, has been sidelined since the end of the National League with a knee problem, but returned to action for Mountbellew/Moylough in the Galway SFC recently.
Anyone got an idea how to go about getting stand tickets for kids?
The ad on the Galway gaa website says you can get a family ticket for the stand. This is for 1 adult and 1 child (full price adult plus €5 for a child).
Can I buy a stand ticket for myself and just pay the €5 for each child and bring them into the stand with me?
A big loss regarding Cunniffe, (if) he's out and going by that article it seems he will. Blast it anyway, I was hoping that Cunniffe could be the man to replace Vaughan in the half-back line, with Barrett slotting back into the corner back position, well it seems that aint gonna happen now anyway. I don't recall the 1980s, but it appeared Mayo had an abundance of midfielders back then. We seem to have them in abundance now as well and it's (in my opinion) to the detriment of the players in question to play them out of position, but needs must. We could be looking at a midfielder in the full-forward line, and half-forward line too. I even saw somewhere, was it here or on mayogaablog that AOS should be tried at no 6. As I said, plenty of midfielders, but only 2 spaces for grabs, unless we go with third midfielders etc, which could give us an option to accommodate our resources.
AOS would be as tight a marker at CHB as Donal Vaughan after ten pints.
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AOS would be as tight a marker at CHB as Donal Vaughan after ten pints.
I think you got it just about right! ;D
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A big loss regarding Cunniffe, (if) he's out and going by that article it seems he will. Blast it anyway, I was hoping that Cunniffe could be the man to replace Vaughan in the half-back line, with Barrett slotting back into the corner back position, well it seems that aint gonna happen now anyway. I don't recall the 1980s, but it appeared Mayo had an abundance of midfielders back then. We seem to have them in abundance now as well and it's (in my opinion) to the detriment of the players in question to play them out of position, but needs must. We could be looking at a midfielder in the full-forward line, and half-forward line too. I even saw somewhere, was it here or on mayogaablog that AOS should be tried at no 6. As I said, plenty of midfielders, but only 2 spaces for grabs, unless we go with third midfielders etc, which could give us an option to accommodate our resources.
Ah yes the 80s. If ye wanted to experience the nadir of Mayo football it was in Tuam in July 82. That's as bad as it ever was.... ever. 2010 was bad but at least there was an explanation for that. 1982 was a train wreck. Hold on there was explanation for that as well.
Thing got a bit better after that and a few midfielders matured nicely. But they were midfielders and we usually are ok there. We had Maher, TJ, Liam Seosamh agus Liam an Tiarna.
But they were midfielders and relocating them proved a bit disastrous, either because they were poorly coached or resented being shunted elsewhere or maybe they didn t have the radar for anywhere else.
Management after O Neill was shockingly innocent. I remember Liam McHale playing at ff down in the Hyde in the first half of a game and left there even though there wasn t a ball going in. We were playing into a gale and getting destroyed by Killoran and Newton but somebody thought that this was a good idea. Meh.
Interestingly Liam is now pushing for AOS to be put inside because he feels he would be unplayable if he got possession. But 25 years ago McHale should have been unplayable at 14 (Micko used to say that he would build a team around Liam at 14) but with little exception he never got to the pitch of things inside.
Jeez Moysider why are you dredging up 82 in Tuam.Remember rushing down from Dublin that morning after playing a game and getting in with 15 min gone and of course the game already over.And of course the slow journey back to Dublin after and I believe we did not mention the game once .I think the world cup final was on that evening.Surprised at Mchale wanting to put Aido in FF after the nightmares he went thro playing there himself.My biggest memory is of him is in the 1997 final where he started in at FF and of all the low balls being played in to him and of course Barry o Shea cleaned up.We tryed 0 Shea in FF for the last 10 min of the !2 final and Donegal were able to defend him so easily.I think a lot of people get fooled in to thinking a big lad in FF will work based on the bomber Liston but what most people forget is Liston was an unbelievable athlete and was very quick over 5 or 10 yards and had very good ball skills.He wasn't just a big man only able to catch a ball.
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Jeez Moysider why are you dredging up 82 in Tuam.Remember rushing down from Dublin that morning after playing a game and getting in with 15 min gone and of course the game already over.And of course the slow journey back to Dublin after and I believe we did not mention the game once .I think the world cup final was on that evening.Surprised at Mchale wanting to put Aido in FF after the nightmares he went thro playing there himself.My biggest memory is of him is in the 1997 final where he started in at FF and of all the low balls being played in to him and of course Barry o Shea cleaned up.We tryed 0 Shea in FF for the last 10 min of the !2 final and Donegal were able to defend him so easily.I think a lot of people get fooled in to thinking a big lad in FF will work based on the bomber Liston but what most people forget is Liston was an unbelievable athlete and was very quick over 5 or 10 yards and had very good ball skills.He wasn't just a big man only able to catch a ball.
Similar in the 97 semi v Offaly, even tho we won MacHale was in FF and just as ineffective. Same thing, low ball going into him. We are a great county for putting low ball into big men and high ball on top of small men. AOS at FF has been tried before and will be a waste time doing so again. As the last 12-24 months have shown we are incapable of consistently delivering decent quality, long ball into our FF line.
Any chance of a team being named tonight?
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 09, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Any chance of a team being named tonight?
Think I saw a FB post or tweet from Mayo GAA that it'll be named at 1pm tomorrow.
Mulholland today - not sure was it in the Indo? - kinda rejected any suggestion that they would set defensively up like Ros did. I expect that Galway will go toe to toe after reading that. How could it be any other way when you think about it?
It may be a ruse but I doubt it. Mulholland is cut from the old cloth. He d prefer a shootout in the old tradition than get negative imo. He s come from a culture where Galway believed they could beat Mayo straight up and Mayo would have felt the same. Or at least it seems that way? If he is 100% it looks like it will be another while before Galway abandon their nobal tradition - and even now they would be the last to do so.
I was a bit surprises by his candour tbh. He suggested that his players had diferent qualities than Ros and Galways strengh was winning possession and taking the game to the opposition. I respect that. And I believe he means that. Makes for an interesting match. I m expecting a huge positive approach from Galway now. If they nail it and we re still weedy we re going to be in big trouble.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
Mulholland today - not sure was it in the Indo? - kinda rejected any suggestion that they would set defensively up like Ros did. I expect that Galway will go toe to toe after reading that. How could it be any other way when you think about it?
It may be a ruse but I doubt it. Mulholland is cut from the old cloth. He d prefer a shootout in the old tradition than get negative imo. He s come from a culture where Galway believed they could beat Mayo straight up and Mayo would have felt the same. Or at least it seems that way? If he is 100% it looks like it will be another while before Galway abandon their nobal tradition - and even now they would be the last to do so.
I was a bit surprises by his candour tbh. He suggested that his players had diferent qualities than Ros and Galways strengh was winning possession and taking the game to the opposition. I respect that. And I believe he means that. Makes for an interesting match. I m expecting a huge positive approach from Galway now. If they nail it and we re still weedy we re going to be in big trouble.
The fúck? I wouldn't want Galway's forwards over our's on any day of the week. FOC and Flynn are still very unproven at senior and winning eight uncontested balls against a non-existent Sligo midfield doesn't make you good at winning possession.
If Mulholland isn't playing silly beggars he may as well start packing up because he'll be chased out of the job in the Autumn. You can respect it if you want Moy but it is simply laughable arrogance and idiocy if true.
Mayo will drive Galway deep into McHale's expensive foundations if they set up to 'give a go' like some sort of rejected Roy of the Rovers script. Galway are a team that barely avoided relegation to D3. Mayo are a team odds-on to complete the first Connacht four-in-a-row since 1980.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
Mulholland today - not sure was it in the Indo? - kinda rejected any suggestion that they would set defensively up like Ros did. I expect that Galway will go toe to toe after reading that. How could it be any other way when you think about it?
It may be a ruse but I doubt it. Mulholland is cut from the old cloth. He d prefer a shootout in the old tradition than get negative imo. He s come from a culture where Galway believed they could beat Mayo straight up and Mayo would have felt the same. Or at least it seems that way? If he is 100% it looks like it will be another while before Galway abandon their nobal tradition - and even now they would be the last to do so.
I was a bit surprises by his candour tbh. He suggested that his players had diferent qualities than Ros and Galways strengh was winning possession and taking the game to the opposition. I respect that. And I believe he means that. Makes for an interesting match. I m expecting a huge positive approach from Galway now. If they nail it and we re still weedy we re going to be in big trouble.
Didn't see anything from Mulholland in the papers but Keith Higgins seems to agree with him anyway.
QuoteFollowing on from last year's 17-point hammering to Mayo, the obvious tactic for Galway would be to try and replicate that Roscommon defensive line and frustrate the life out of Mayo.
But according to Higgins it would almost be against the sporting religion of the Tribesmen to line up as such.
"I could be completely wrong, but traditionally Galway just don't do that; they're a footballing side. They didn't seem to do it against Sligo because they are a very footballing side.
"If you put yourself in Galway's shoes and if you had got a hiding like that last year you would be coming out trying to rectify that.
"So I wouldn't expect them to do it, but they could come out there the next day and throw a bombshell out there and go 13 men behind the ball, so if something like that happens it depends on how you react.
Actually found what Mulholland said. It was in the Star.
QuoteMulholland has noted how the Rossies' defensive approach frustrated the champions and, considering they fell to an embarrassing 17-point defeat to their arch rivals 12 months ago, accepts his team will have to play it smart.
"You look at the players you have at your disposal and you look at what suits them," Mulholland explained to the Irish Daily Star.
"We might have different styles of players to what Roscommon might have so maybe that won't suit us to play a lot of men in defence. It did give us all a bit of hope!
"We are not going to do exactly what they did, we like to have the ball and attack so we're not going to knock that out of players. That's our strength so we need to play to our strengths.
"Roscommon got so close to them and only lost by a point in the end and they were very clever that day. They managed the game well and really could have turned them over in the end.
"We'd be hoping we can do something similar, keep it tight, and hopefully in the last 15 or 20 minutes we might still be in with a shout."
So, then, how do you feel about it GBB? I have a feeling Galway supporters are just like every group of supporters in the country and value winning ugly more than being pretty in losing. Who exactly is commanding him to uphold this 'tradition', then?
I've been told on good authority I hope, that this will be the starting Mayo fifteen.
Anyone else heard anything?
Rob Hennelly
Chris Barrett
Ger Cafferkey
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Colm Boyle
Donie Vaughan
Barry Moran
Seamus O Shea
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O Shea
Jason Doc
Alan Dillon
Andy Moran
Cillian O Connor
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM
I've been told on good authority I hope, that this will be the starting Mayo fifteen.
Anyone else heard anything?
Rob Hennelly
Chris Barrett
Ger Cafferkey
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Colm Boyle
Donie Vaughan
Barry Moran
Seamus O Shea
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O Shea
Jason Doc
Alan Dillon
Andy Moran
Cillian O Connor
AOS is a little bit too cumbersome to manage a tricky CHB. I'd say Barry Moran would be a better 11 in a lot of ways. Still looks to be a very dangerous line-up and man-for-man the best team Mayo would have named in championship football since before Andy Moran's injury in 2012.
Gibbons has had a good year but to be honest Barry Moran's class and experience at this level has always put him ahead of Gibbons for me when fit. Barrett for Cunniffe is a wash and Barrett offers more going forward.
About the only change that could make that line-up stronger would be swapping Doherty for Feeney but that's probably asking too much of Horan.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 10, 2014, 01:36:26 AM
I've been told on good authority I hope, that this will be the starting Mayo fifteen.
Anyone else heard anything?
Rob Hennelly
Chris Barrett
Ger Cafferkey
Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan
Colm Boyle
Donie Vaughan
Barry Moran
Seamus O Shea
Kevin McLoughlin
Aidan O Shea
Jason Doc
Alan Dillon
Andy Moran
Cillian O Connor
Heard that team as well last night Lar.
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2014, 01:33:07 AM
So, then, how do you feel about it GBB? I have a feeling Galway supporters are just like every group of supporters in the country and value winning ugly more than being pretty in losing. Who exactly is commanding him to uphold this 'tradition', then?
I don't think they'd be happy playing Donegal 2011 style.
Tradition is going up to Dublin and winning all Irelands.
Losing in a year with a mediocre team isn't such a big deal.
Losing by a point wouldn't be talked about for weeks.
If we won by a point playing with 15 men in our own half for most of the game - I'd take it in a heartbeat!
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
Mulholland today - not sure was it in the Indo? - kinda rejected any suggestion that they would set defensively up like Ros did. I expect that Galway will go toe to toe after reading that. How could it be any other way when you think about it?
It may be a ruse but I doubt it. Mulholland is cut from the old cloth. He d prefer a shootout in the old tradition than get negative imo. He s come from a culture where Galway believed they could beat Mayo straight up and Mayo would have felt the same. Or at least it seems that way? If he is 100% it looks like it will be another while before Galway abandon their nobal tradition - and even now they would be the last to do so.
I was a bit surprises by his candour tbh. He suggested that his players had diferent qualities than Ros and Galways strengh was winning possession and taking the game to the opposition. I respect that. And I believe he means that. Makes for an interesting match. I m expecting a huge positive approach from Galway now. If they nail it and we re still weedy we re going to be in big trouble.
I wouldn't believe that nonsense. Bradshaw was sweeping in front of the Sligo full forward line the last day in the first half and they got plenty men behind the ball in the second half on the rare occasions Sligo got into their half of the field.
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/328223/Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_V_s_Galway (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/328223/Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_V_s_Galway)
Mayo team named:
1) Robbie Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina
4) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5) Lee Keegan - Westport
6) Colm Boyle - Davitts
7) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
8) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
10) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
12) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
13) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
Be unfair on Seamus O'Shea there An Fhairche Abu....no need for the sniggering....we've had trouble like this with Charlestown...Breaffy now? Sake
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Disappointed with the team....missing lads from Balla, Ballycastle , Ballycroy , Bonniconlon and Bohola....
Quote from: ballinaman on July 10, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
Be unfair on Seamus O'Shea there An Fhairche Abu....no need for the sniggering....we've had trouble like this with Charlestown...Breaffy now? Sake
Agreed, I believe Seamus is well deserving of his place, he has been very consistent over past three to four years.
Muppet will be a bit happier.
Strong team albeit very conservative with the exception of AOS. With 4/5 good midfielders, it's understandable that Horan wants to try and play more than two of them so it'll be interesting to see how AOS (or whichever of the three plays on the 40) gets on. An attacking CHB could destory either of the O'Ses playing in at 11.
Dillon played his best game in quite a while in the corner against Galway last year, hopefully he can repeat that.
I'd like to see COC come out the field and Doc go into the corner - can't understand why Horan persists with playing him as a half forward.
Are we at risk of playing our best 15 footballers rather than the best man for each position??
Powerful team. I was hoping for something like that. Statement of intent.
Hopefully we ll have a bit of impact from the bench. It ll be interesting to see how Freeman reacts to being dropped again?
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 03:58:54 PM
Powerful team. I was hoping for something like that. Statement of intent.
Hopefully we ll have a bit of impact from the bench. It ll be interesting to see how Freeman reacts to being dropped again?
I'm sure he's well used to Horan's tomfoolery at this stage. If he sucked it up and carried on after the AI final I doubt this will change his approach.
Freeman was poor against Derry in League Semi and against Roscommon, is it a surprise he was dropped?
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 10, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
Freeman was poor against Derry in League Semi and against Roscommon, is it a surprise he was dropped?
Not a surprise imo.
I expect Big Barry will pick up O Corráin and should in theory anyway limit the dominance he had v Sligo.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 10, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
Freeman was poor against Derry in League Semi and against Roscommon, is it a surprise he was dropped?
To be honest very few of the Mayo team was good in either game. Horan just doesn't like Freeman for whatever reason so he's always got a short lease and will likely be the fall guy when one is needed.
Andy isn't a better true 14 than Freeman but he is a better player.
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2014, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 10, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
Freeman was poor against Derry in League Semi and against Roscommon, is it a surprise he was dropped?
To be honest very few of the Mayo team was good in either game. Horan just doesn't like Freeman for whatever reason do he's always got a short lease and will likely be the fall guy when one is needed.
Andy isn't a better true 14 than Freeman but he is a better player.
Andy Moran is more willing to win 50/50 ball imo, Freeman is very talented but maybe lacks that bit of drive. He was outfought by Chrissy McKaigue in that league Semi. McKaigue is a very good player, but it looked like Freeman didnt want to know about it.
Strong looking Mayo team, with Barry and Andy Moran back in the side. O Shea on the 40
The Mayo panel two many midfielders and not enough good scoring forwards? With Andy Moran,dillion starting who will be impact players off bench on Sunday?
Enda Varley and then he'll sub Enda Varley out again just so he can sub in Enda Varley again.
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Tell the confused Ballagheens to stop badgering me about them first.
Don't lower yourself to that level Syfín ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Rossfan, surely you realise at this stage that Syfiín is bisexual.
He loves Roscommon and Mayo ;D
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Rossfan, surely you realise at this stage that Syfiín is bisexual.
He loves Roscommon and Mayo ;D
I just like Roscommon footballers and Mayo sure do have a lot of those these days.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Rossfan, surely you realise at this stage that Syfiín is bisexual.
He loves Roscommon and Mayo ;D
I don't think he's old enough to be any kind of sexual ;D
Quote from: highorlow on July 10, 2014, 01:55:42 PM
Muppet will be a bit happier.
A bit.
Anyone who saw last year's county final will know why Barry is in for Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9In3bD0D4n8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9In3bD0D4n8)
Bitterly disappointed Maughan didn't break out the tight shorts for the occasion.
I'm sure Mikey Sweeney will come on at some stage. Happy with McLoughlin at number 10. His best position in my opinion. He needs to be on the ball and make good use of it if we are to tick. Hope Barry Moran has a good game also. I also hope he avoids any more injuries for the rest of his playing days. He's really unlucky in that dept. It will be interesting to see if Barrett has a full 70 in him. He probably won't, but there's always Kevin Keane to come in. Also, our half-backs need to up their game a fair bit. They were by no means impressive against Roscommon, and they will have to learn that less is sometimes more.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
I'm sure Mikey Sweeney will come on at some stage. Happy with McLoughlin at number 10. His best position in my opinion. He needs to be on the ball and make good use of it if we are to tick. Hope Barry Moran has a good game also. I also hope he avoids any more injuries for the rest of his playing days. He's really unlucky in that dept. It will be interesting to see if Barrett has a full 70 in him. He probably won't, but there's always Kevin Keane to come in. Also, our half-backs need to up their game a fair bit. They were by no means impressive against Roscommon, and they will have to learn that less is sometimes more.
The entire game-plan was hinged on harassing the Mayo HBs and clogging up the space they love to run into. Hard to blame the HBs, it's the other players that didn't take advantage of what was happening. Galway will do a fine job increasing Keegan and Boyle's confidence again by the sound of things.
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Rossfan, surely you realise at this stage that Syfiín is bisexual.
He loves Roscommon and Mayo ;D
I just like Roscommon footballers and Mayo sure do have a lot of those these days.
yapp yapp.......yapp yapp........yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp....ad infinitum.
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 10, 2014, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2014, 05:16:25 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 05:00:28 PM
Syf,
Keep your nose out of the rhu trough :-[
Rossfan, surely you realise at this stage that Syfiín is bisexual.
He loves Roscommon and Mayo ;D
I just like Roscommon footballers and Mayo sure do have a lot of those these days.
yapp yapp.......yapp yapp........yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp yapp....ad infinitum.
Impressive approximation of a Mayo person speaking.
Galway team:
1. Manus Breathnach
2. Donal O'Neill
3. Finian Hanley
4. Joss Moore
5. Gareth Bradshaw
6. Gary O'Donnell
7. Paul Varley
8. Fiontán O'Curraoin
9. Thomas Flynn
10. Michael Lundy
11. Shane Walsh
12. Damien Comer
13. Paul Conroy
14. Eddie Hoare
15. Danny Cummins
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 10, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Galway team:
1. Manus Breathnach
2. Donal O'Neill
3. Finian Hanley
4. Joss Moore
5. Gareth Bradshaw
6. Gary O'Donnell
7. Paul Varley
8. Fiontán O'Curraoin
9. Thomas Flynn
10. Michael Lundy
11. Shane Walsh
12. Damien Comer
13. Paul Conroy
14. Eddie Hoare
15. Danny Cummins
For a second there I thought 15 different clubs were represented but it's 14.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
I'm sure Mikey Sweeney will come on at some stage. Happy with McLoughlin at number 10. His best position in my opinion. He needs to be on the ball and make good use of it if we are to tick. Hope Barry Moran has a good game also. I also hope he avoids any more injuries for the rest of his playing days. He's really unlucky in that dept. It will be interesting to see if Barrett has a full 70 in him. He probably won't, but there's always Kevin Keane to come in. Also, our half-backs need to up their game a fair bit. They were by no means impressive against Roscommon, and they will have to learn that less is sometimes more.
This is a selection that had to happen.
We re not Dublin. We don t have ranks of forwards in particular. It s pick or choose. We can t start strong in the forwards and finish stronger like Dublin can. Roscommon showed that up and only for the likes of Andy we were gone.
If there is a concern about JH's time it would be that no young kid has been developed. Dublin have had their Mannions, McCafferties and Costellos. All innocent but quality. Horan has put his trust in the older lads and he is going to sink or swim with them now. And that is fair enough imo. But I doubt it will be good enough if we get into last 4 never mind next Sunday. This selection would indicate to me that some senior players and maybe others had a word with management after the Ros. game. The Ros. selection did not make sense and this team is not a development from that. It s like the game in The Hyde was an indulgence. I cant see how that match would have brought on the younger O Sés and O Connors.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2014, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 10, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Galway team:
1. Manus Breathnach
2. Donal O'Neill
3. Finian Hanley
4. Joss Moore
5. Gareth Bradshaw
6. Gary O'Donnell
7. Paul Varley
8. Fiontán O'Curraoin
9. Thomas Flynn
10. Michael Lundy
11. Shane Walsh
12. Damien Comer
13. Paul Conroy
14. Eddie Hoare
15. Danny Cummins
For a second there I thought 15 different clubs were represented but it's 14.
Much as expected I d say. The ff line the tricky bit for me.
I ve never known what to make of Conroy. Footballer obviously but not sure what to do with him. Hoare dropped off a bit v Sligo. Probably hoping to drag out the fb and leave space for Cummins inside.
So it s hard to see how that Galway team will shape up. If I had to guess I d say Conroy will play deeper but not convinced he ll be great at doing that. Ah sure we ll see....
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2014, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on July 10, 2014, 10:10:42 PM
Galway team:
1. Manus Breathnach
2. Donal O'Neill
3. Finian Hanley
4. Joss Moore
5. Gareth Bradshaw
6. Gary O'Donnell
7. Paul Varley
8. Fiontán O'Curraoin
9. Thomas Flynn
10. Michael Lundy
11. Shane Walsh
12. Damien Comer
13. Paul Conroy
14. Eddie Hoare
15. Danny Cummins
For a second there I thought 15 different clubs were represented but it's 14.
Much as expected I d say. The ff line the tricky bit for me.
I ve never known what to make of Conroy. Footballer obviously but not sure what to do with him.
He's a midfielder really. He's played his best football for Galway from midfield both and underage at at senior. Nominated for all All-Star last year in midfield. Apart from the Mayo game he was pretty much fantastic in all the other games. Galway would have lost to both Tipp and Waterford only for him.
Problem is with 2 young midfielders coming through there isn't a place there for him while they are both fit. Those two have a great understanding having played with each other for years. At the same time he's probably too good to leave on the bench so they have to try and fit him in somewhere.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
This selection would indicate to me that some senior players and maybe others had a word with management after the Ros. game. The Ros. selection did not make sense and this team is not a development from that. It s like the game in The Hyde was an indulgence. I cant see how that match would have brought on the younger O Sés and O Connors.
I wouldn't be surprised to see young O'Connor getting game time on Sunday. I think Horan was right to experiment a little bit in the Roscommon game, if not in that match, then when would he have? Unfortunately, the type of game played by Roscommon was conducive to debutants.
Personally I would have only started with one of Andy / Dillon, I think the forward line as a whole lacks pace - Andy / Dillon / AOS are all fairly slow.
The whole situation surrounding Adam G is baffling, was very hopeful when I saw him at the start of the league that he would be a championship starter, he looks like a natural.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
If there is a concern about JH's time it would be that no young kid has been developed. Dublin have had their Mannions, McCafferties and Costellos. All innocent but quality. Horan has put his trust in the older lads and he is going to sink or swim with them now. And that is fair enough imo. But I doubt it will be good enough if we get into last 4 never mind next Sunday. This selection would indicate to me that some senior players and maybe others had a word with management after the Ros. game. The Ros. selection did not make sense and this team is not a development from that. It s like the game in The Hyde was an indulgence. I cant see how that match would have brought on the younger O Sés and O Connors.
I dont think that is JH's fault, I know theres an ongoing debate about Even Regan but whatever the reasons there, and I can only presume they are good ones, the problem has been there hasnt been any young fellas really up for it. The two he had on the last day, probably have it. Cian Hanley, Tommy Conroy and a couple of others from the current minor team might as well, but they are for the future. JH has bemoaned the fact that not enough U-21s have been putting their hands up during his tenure, if they were there I'd say he would be playing them. Its very difficult to make it as a senior IC player, think of all the attributes generally required:
- Skill (obviously)
- Strength and stamina, there are plenty of good young fellas who because of their body types dont really respond well to the S&C programs required for IC standard. They might have the skill but then fall down here. Either they end up getting injured or just dont make the gains required and fall off the pace and cant make it up. That could be improved by getting to them younger, but even looking at something like professional soccer there are plenty of dazzling 14 year olds in academies who never make the cut either despite daily intervention and programs
- Attitude, some players dont have the discipline required to follow the diet and training programs required.
Temperament - Some also cant handle the pressure of playing in a big game. You can see that even at minor level, some fellas thrive in a big game environment, some wilt away. That can be changed and learned, but there are very few third and fourth chances. If you dont have it or learn it quick then your chance could be gone
Luck and selections - very difficult for some positions because either its your bad luck that there is an abundance of talent already in that position and you cant play your way in or you just run into some bad luck
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I presume Boyler will pick up Shane Walsh.
Will Conroy go out to midfield?? It'll be awfully crowded out there with 6 big men around. If he does, I presume Keith would follow him out and effectively play at in the half forward line?
If he stays inside Caff will pick him up.
If he stays inside Galway will have a considerable size advantage with himself and Hoare.
Hoare came out around the middle for a good portion of the Sligo game.
It's hard to see us getting much change from that Mayo defence.
It has a very solid look to it albeit Cunniffe is a big loss as he is a very tight corner back.
Quote from: galwayman on July 11, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Hoare came out around the middle for a good portion of the Sligo game.
It's hard to see us getting much change from that Mayo defence.
It has a very solid look to it albeit Cunniffe is a big loss as he is a very tight corner back.
Eeeeeeh. With Barrett, Higgins and Cunniffe all fit and all in contention for CB spots (rather than moving the Ballyhaunis ladeen to every position from 5-12) I'd say Barrett and Higgins are the best two CBs Mayo have.
The one plus that change may give Galway is that with Barrett's injury this year he mightn't be ready for the white heat of a Connacht final.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on July 11, 2014, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
If there is a concern about JH's time it would be that no young kid has been developed. Dublin have had their Mannions, McCafferties and Costellos. All innocent but quality. Horan has put his trust in the older lads and he is going to sink or swim with them now. And that is fair enough imo. But I doubt it will be good enough if we get into last 4 never mind next Sunday. This selection would indicate to me that some senior players and maybe others had a word with management after the Ros. game. The Ros. selection did not make sense and this team is not a development from that. It s like the game in The Hyde was an indulgence. I cant see how that match would have brought on the younger O Sés and O Connors.
I dont think that is JH's fault, I know theres an ongoing debate about Even Regan but whatever the reasons there, and I can only presume they are good ones, the problem has been there hasnt been any young fellas really up for it. The two he had on the last day, probably have it. Cian Hanley, Tommy Conroy and a couple of others from the current minor team might as well, but they are for the future. JH has bemoaned the fact that not enough U-21s have been putting their hands up during his tenure, if they were there I'd say he would be playing them. Its very difficult to make it as a senior IC player, think of all the attributes generally required:
- Skill (obviously)
- Strength and stamina, there are plenty of good young fellas who because of their body types dont really respond well to the S&C programs required for IC standard. They might have the skill but then fall down here. Either they end up getting injured or just dont make the gains required and fall off the pace and cant make it up. That could be improved by getting to them younger, but even looking at something like professional soccer there are plenty of dazzling 14 year olds in academies who never make the cut either despite daily intervention and programs
- Attitude, some players dont have the discipline required to follow the diet and training programs required.
Temperament - Some also cant handle the pressure of playing in a big game. You can see that even at minor level, some fellas thrive in a big game environment, some wilt away. That can be changed and learned, but there are very few third and fourth chances. If you dont have it or learn it quick then your chance could be gone
Luck and selections - very difficult for some positions because either its your bad luck that there is an abundance of talent already in that position and you cant play your way in or you just run into some bad luck
-
You re joking right?
Patrick Durkin? Adam Gallagher? Stephen Coen?
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on July 11, 2014, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
If there is a concern about JH's time it would be that no young kid has been developed. Dublin have had their Mannions, McCafferties and Costellos. All innocent but quality. Horan has put his trust in the older lads and he is going to sink or swim with them now. And that is fair enough imo. But I doubt it will be good enough if we get into last 4 never mind next Sunday. This selection would indicate to me that some senior players and maybe others had a word with management after the Ros. game. The Ros. selection did not make sense and this team is not a development from that. It s like the game in The Hyde was an indulgence. I cant see how that match would have brought on the younger O Sés and O Connors.
I dont think that is JH's fault, I know theres an ongoing debate about Even Regan but whatever the reasons there, and I can only presume they are good ones, the problem has been there hasnt been any young fellas really up for it. The two he had on the last day, probably have it. Cian Hanley, Tommy Conroy and a couple of others from the current minor team might as well, but they are for the future. JH has bemoaned the fact that not enough U-21s have been putting their hands up during his tenure, if they were there I'd say he would be playing them. Its very difficult to make it as a senior IC player, think of all the attributes generally required:
- Skill (obviously)
- Strength and stamina, there are plenty of good young fellas who because of their body types dont really respond well to the S&C programs required for IC standard. They might have the skill but then fall down here. Either they end up getting injured or just dont make the gains required and fall off the pace and cant make it up. That could be improved by getting to them younger, but even looking at something like professional soccer there are plenty of dazzling 14 year olds in academies who never make the cut either despite daily intervention and programs
- Attitude, some players dont have the discipline required to follow the diet and training programs required.
Temperament - Some also cant handle the pressure of playing in a big game. You can see that even at minor level, some fellas thrive in a big game environment, some wilt away. That can be changed and learned, but there are very few third and fourth chances. If you dont have it or learn it quick then your chance could be gone
Luck and selections - very difficult for some positions because either its your bad luck that there is an abundance of talent already in that position and you cant play your way in or you just run into some bad luck
-
You re joking right?
Patrick Durkin? Adam Gallagher? Stephen Coen?
Where does Danny Kirby sit on Alan Dillon to Evan Regan scale with Horan? Certainly looked worthy of county time on multiple occasions.
Done
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mayo-town-backing-argentina-in-world-cup-final-1.1864757
"We've also got Mayo playing against Galway in the Connacht football final in McHale Park in Castlebar tomorrow, preceded by Mayo minors against Roscommon, so it's going to be a great day for roaring all round,"he adds.
I'm pleased he's dropped Martin and great to see Moore back fit again.
I'm happy with the team picked now we'll wait to see if Mulholland can get it right tactically.
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Mayo by 8-12 points if Mulholland isn't BSing.
If he isn't and Galway play compactly they can give Mayo a scare but they still won't win.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Good man Farr, if you are optimistic then it is at least 5 points for me!
17 to 1-11, Mayo to win
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Good man Farr, if you are optimistic then it is at least 5 points for me!
jeez if Farr is optimistic, the whole thing is done n dusted!
I heard Joss Moore won't be playing tomorrow.
If this is true I assume that means Tierney in corner back?
He could be a weak link for us
Mayo by 6-10 pts
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 12, 2014, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 12, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Good man Farr, if you are optimistic then it is at least 5 points for me!
jeez if Farr is optimistic, the whole thing is done n dusted!
Feck it Farr, I hope you haven t put the kibosh on us altogether Farr :'(
Handicappers are saying 5. 5 is fair start in a provincial final.
Quote from: galwayman on July 12, 2014, 11:21:58 PM
I heard Joss Moore won't be playing tomorrow.
If this is true I assume that means Tierney in corner back?
He could be a weak link for us
You heard right. Big loss.
Quote from: Syferus on July 12, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Any predictions from anyone? I'll get the ball rolling...
Mayo 1-15 Galway 2-11
Mayo by 8-12 points if Mulholland isn't BSing.
If he isn't and Galway play compactly they can give Mayo a scare but they still won't win.
Hmmm.
Mulholland had 14 behind the ball at points but Galway couldn't effectively implement the system and it's already in tatters. Having to attack Mayo now could make the above prediction conservative if they don't find their shooting boots.
Horrible dive there from Keegan.
On a technical point, was Barry Moran's goal illegal, it looked to me like he caught the ball one-handed and threw it in.
O'Shea falls over a lot
cant see how anyone would have considered it a catch - one clean fluid movement from my eyes.
On another technicality - Galway's penalty should not have stood as the foul was outside the area.
And another video clip to promote the terrible inconsistencies of the black card rule.
Maybe it was just the slow motion then. When I saw it first I thought it looked ok. Decent showing from Galway, but the wayward shooting in the first half and Mayo's ability to saunter in for goals meant the result was never in doubt.
Cillian O'Connor was outstanding today and looks like being fully fit this year will add a great deal to Mayo but who else have Mayo to play in there? Mayo look like what we knew they were, a top team. Galway would be better served playing orthodox, they aren't good enough to challenge for Sam so they may as well go out and play their own game and see where it gets them. Not a great game from a neural perspective but I'd be fairly happy if I were a Mayo man.
Well we learned f**k all today
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
I beg to differ. We learned we are still the best in Connacht. A forewarned Galway team threw their best at us and we beat them rather easily without getting out of third gear. We have learned not to panic. We controlled the game for the most part. Finally today game was a means to an end - getting to the business end of the Championship. A place where Galway are only a game away from!
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Sure what do Mayo have to learn at this stage? They are a seasoned experienced outfit who have been in the last 2 All-Ireland finals. They are what they are at this stage.
From a Galway perspective it was a strange one. A big improvement on the same game last year and they kept going to the final whistle but they never looked like winning it at any stage. And they conceded some very soft goals again although not as bad as last year's horror ones. Physically we are still a couple of years behind Mayo. Especially all the younger players. Mayo were able to burst through tackles when they needed to. Got killed on breaking ball again. Not much clean ball caught but Mayo obviously work very hard on flooding midfield and McLoughlin and Doherty cleaned up on breaks especially in the first half.
Bit of a shooting nightmare for Cummins and Hoare who I think hit 0-7 really bad wides between them. Thought Cummins actually played well apart from his shooting. Unfortunately shooting is kind of important for a corner forward.
Important to beat Tipp now. A quarter-final place would be decent progress this year. Losing to Tipp would put the kybosh on that.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
We learnt that Galway still aren't within an ass's roar of Mayo. The difference in margin (7 opposed to 17 - against 14 and then 13 men - last year) matters for little as Mayo were scoring at will and could have got much more if they needed it.
Would be worried about Mayo's defence. To concede 16 points (on top of missed easy chances and a saved penalty) is something that can't be translated into games against teams even on the level of Kerry as they will convert more of their chances and it's hard to beat any team that's putting nearly 20 points on you. Mayo's defence in general has been shakey this year.
Has the black card rule taken the bite out of a Mayo defence that always lived on the edge?
What do Mayo and Garth Brooks have in common?
They will both fail to perform in Croke Park this year.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 13, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
What do Mayo and Garth Brooks have in common?
They will both fail to perform in Croke Park this year.
Why have the quarter-finals been moved? ::)
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 13, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
What do Mayo and Garth Brooks have in common?
They will both fail to perform in Croke Park this year.
Do you remember the startled earwigs?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 13, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
What do Mayo and Garth Brooks have in common?
They will both fail to perform in Croke Park this year.
Why have the quarter-finals been moved? ::)
He suffers from selective memory failure!
That was by far Mayo's best game in a long time. Sure, Galway were threatening at the start of the second half, but you always felt that they weren't going to get the breaks today. Mayo's defence was very good in the first half, they need to keep it up for the full 70 if they want to go any further though. And Galway were bound to have a period of dominance at some stage in the match. Well done to Mayo on 4 Connacht titles in a row. It's been a while since it was done before.
Scalded... :-[
Quote from: ballinaman on July 13, 2014, 06:03:56 PM
Scalded... :-[
I had to wear the jacket it was so cool in the stand most of the day.
That's what the big bucks get you.
Good performance today. Of course there were faults there, but overall you have to be happy leaving McHale park today. Galway played their usual open style. They have (as one expects) some fine footballers. But they could have learned allot from Roscommon who closed up the game until the final 15 minutes and then had a go. Anyway we in Mayo are not complaining, the more open the better at the moment as far as we are concerned. Have to say Paul Conroy is immense. He was probably better than COC today because he did not have the support around him. Anyway we are still a bit in front of Galway and it feels good. The Gas thing about todays team to line out probably will be completely different to the one to line out in Croke Park for the QF.
QuoteHave to say Paul Conroy is immense. He was probably better than COC today because he did not have the support around him.
Wouldn't agree with that. I though COC was streets ahead of most players today, certainly Conroy who was average enough IMO, though the quality of ball wasn't always great to be fair.
QuoteGalway played their usual open style.
We might have been watching different games ;D but Galway were very defensive in the first half but weren't very good at it.
Quote from: Zulu on July 13, 2014, 07:08:04 PM
QuoteHave to say Paul Conroy is immense. He was probably better than COC today because he did not have the support around him.
Wouldn't agree with that. I though COC was streets ahead of most players today, certainly Conroy who was average enough IMO, though the quality of ball wasn't always great to be fair.
QuoteGalway played their usual open style.
We might have been watching different games ;D but Galway were very defensive in the first half but weren't very good at it.
Mulholland explained why before the match:
Quote"We might have different styles of players to what Roscommon might have so maybe that won't suit us to play a lot of men in defence."
Positives:
Looks like we're gearing towards a later peak this year.
It looks like AOS can work in the CHF position. Fair play and teams will find it difficult to avoid all our big men with their kickouts unless they go very short.
COC getting back to his best. He was coming into similar form last year before his shoulder injury.
kevin Mc has got his form of 2012 again. Big plus.
Jason Doherty is improving with every game and winning a lot of breaking ball.
Robbie Hennelly has settled in as number one. Great save from the penalty.
Negatives.
Andy and Dillon both struggled today. Maybe they're better off the bench at this stage. None of our subs put their hands up though for selection.
Mickey Conroy in ahead of Sweeney and Freeman. He's not a game changer at this stage. Last time he scored more than one point in a championship game was against Down in 2012.
Half back line anticipating us winning the breaking ball almost cost us another goal today.
Turns out Shane Walsh isn't the second coming after all either. One thing destroying Sligo. Very disappointing you'd have to say
Really? I thought he looked good and as he matures he should be a really great footballer.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
Turns out Shane Walsh isn't the second coming after all either. One thing destroying Sligo. Very disappointing you'd have to say
Ha? Galway's best player by a mile. Class act and still U21 next year. He'll have given you plenty of chapters for the next House of Pain installment by the time he retires.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
Turns out Shane Walsh isn't the second coming after all either. One thing destroying Sligo. Very disappointing you'd have to say
He's just turned 20 and it's about his 4th senior game of intercounty football.
Thought he struggled in the first half to adjust to the pace and intensity of the game but he did improve in the second. Also scored probably the best point of the day from either side. He'll be fine.
But didn't Breheny et al say it was all about him?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2014, 09:22:03 PM
But didn't Breheny et al say it was all about him?
Wasn't he jig-acting and jive-talkin' about Galway being the biggest threat to Mayo's four-in-a-row this week? You get better analysis from drunk Hogan Stand posters.
Mildly amusing Connacht final. Galway once again didn't help themselves with loose marking. First 5 or 10 minutes of the 2nd half was the only time the crowd got into that game for the rest of the game the atmosphere was fairly subdued. Mayo seem to be able to move up the gears when required and were probably in 2nd gear for most of it. Galway to their credit showed some decent fight in the second half and were unlucky not to score a few goals. Galway having little expectations of winning this title won't be that disappointed as they still have a excellent chance of reaching the quarter final and would be great for Connacht football if Sligo and ourselves can join them and Mayo there.
Quote from: Syferus on July 13, 2014, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2014, 09:22:03 PM
But didn't Breheny et al say it was all about him?
Wasn't he jig-acting and jive-talkin' about Galway being the biggest threat to Mayo's four-in-a-row this week? You get better analysis from drunk Hogan Stand posters.
Well they were the only threat to Mayo's 4 in a row this week.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2014, 09:51:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 13, 2014, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2014, 09:22:03 PM
But didn't Breheny et al say it was all about him?
Wasn't he jig-acting and jive-talkin' about Galway being the biggest threat to Mayo's four-in-a-row this week? You get better analysis from drunk Hogan Stand posters.
Well they were the only threat to Mayo's 4 in a row this week.
He was saying Galway were more of a threat than Roscommon were and used the ol' historical results to pump up his claim. For him to be right Galway would have to have at least drawn with Mayo so it was an incredible act of sensationalist myopic journalism.
Galway just need to forget about today, the Tipp game is much more meaningful in their development and a loss would leave things on a very sour note after getting a golden opportunity to make an AIQF. I hope Galway can get it done.
Good stuff to win it .
Cillian outstanding.
AOS very good.
Mcgloughlin very good.
Andy and Dillon very poor. ( impact subs or we won't be playing in this years final) the amount of times Cillian got possession and the two were stuck to the ground and never made a dash for the pass was unreal and there were goals for the taking for sure.
Ger caff had a bad day and I'm not convinced he is capable of keeping top full forwards quiet , brogan Murphy et el.
Four in a row is a fantastic achievements.well done boys.
Will Mayo be playing the winner of Sligo v Cork in the QF?
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Will Mayo be playing the winner of Sligo v Cork in the QF?
Yip. An All-Connacht AIQF would be deadly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Will Mayo be playing the winner of Sligo v Cork in the QF?
If Sligo and Tipp win it's open draw. If not then yes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2014, 12:00:01 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Will Mayo be playing the winner of Sligo v Cork in the QF?
If Sligo and Tipp win it's open draw. If not then yes.
Heard something about the delineations being set already. Whoever wins Cork-Sligo plays Mayo regardless IIRC. Not 100% because this year's Qualifier system is a jumbo-sized Kinder Surprise.
Looking at todays Match Program, And I have noticed this with allot of programs lately. The ages of the Mayo Players seemed relevant to circa 2011/2012 era.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 12:53:42 AM
Looking at todays Match Program, And I have noticed this with allot of programs lately. The ages of the Mayo Players seemed relevant to circa 2011/2012 era.
I laughed at Thomas Flynn being listed at 16st. He was bouncing off the O'Sheas and Barry Moran all day. FOC and Flynn did ok but they were still bet overall.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Your team achieves something not done since the 50s and that's what you take from it? You must be some crack at parties.
Quote from: Syferus on July 13, 2014, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2014, 09:22:03 PM
But didn't Breheny et al say it was all about him?
Wasn't he jig-acting and jive-talkin' about Galway being the biggest threat to Mayo's four-in-a-row this week? You get better analysis from drunk Hogan Stand posters.
In fairness both he and Eugene McGee have been robbing a living since 1994 or thereabouts
Moran and Dillon as starting forwards are now a luxury we cant afford. Dillo is a legend of the game but it doesnt serve anyone, least of all the player himself for him to be starting. Bring him on with 20 to go and he will make defenders have to think again and is always good for a couple of points
Was surprised to read at the weekend that Mayo have more Connacht titles than Galway. Always assumed Galway were way ahead.
Quote from: Canalman on July 14, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Was surprised to read at the weekend that Mayo have more Connacht titles than Galway. Always assumed Galway were way ahead.
Nope. In the first half of last century we were winning Connachts to bate the band. With only 3 All Irelands it's easy to assume Galway would be way ahead seen as they've 9.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 14, 2014, 03:29:37 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Your team achieves something not done since the 50s and that's what you take from it? You must be some crack at parties.
I am, mighty craic altogether
I dont think I said it wasnt a great achievement but let me look back at it
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Oh ya thats right I said we learned f**k all
As a Mayo team we learned f**k all, our backs are decent, although can be left one on one at times, today barrett roasted that young lad, against a better class of corner forward he could be in trouble although he is a class act.
The only new thing is that O'Shea is a possibility at CHF.
As for Walsh being Galways best forward I would disagree, he was hyped out the gate before the game and didnt perform, I know hes only 20 and he might score a million points at some date in the future, I'll comment on that one when it happens. Yesterday he was poor.
Conroy was dangerous and by far galways best player
For me the game was over after 10-15 minutes and after that it was tit for tat between points and goals without ever really looking like anything was going to change
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 14, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on July 14, 2014, 03:29:37 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Your team achieves something not done since the 50s and that's what you take from it? You must be some crack at parties.
I am, mighty craic altogether
I dont think I said it wasnt a great achievement but let me look back at it
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 13, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
Well we learned f**k all today
Oh ya thats right I said we learned f**k all
As a Mayo team we learned f**k all, our backs are decent, although can be left one on one at times, today barrett roasted that young lad, against a better class of corner forward he could be in trouble although he is a class act.
I actually thought Cummins was causing Barrett a lot of bother (think Barrett was marking him wasn't he?). He was winning ball and turning him constantly. The only problem was he couldn't finish. Scored 0-1 I think when it could easily have been 0-4 or 0-5 had he brought his shooting boots with him. Some of his wides were sitters.
I was down on Barretts side for the first half, thought he won any 50-50s and anytime Cummins had it he wrapped him up and put so much pressure on him that he kicked it away or coughed up possession to him.
I was very impressed with Barrett
Second half was harder for me to see
Quote from: Canalman on July 14, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Was surprised to read at the weekend that Mayo have more Connacht titles than Galway. Always assumed Galway were way ahead.
That'd be that media bias again, Galway are the darlings of the press with their fancy dan ways :) Imagine if Mayo hadnt won a game in Croker since 2001, Eugene and Martin would be setting their clocks to write two insightful "specials" a year on the failure of Mayo football.
Having said that, that last match they won was the one that counted in fairness, so unfortunately, while everyone does recognize the achievement of yesterday with 4 provincial crowns in a row (even if we were all saying beforehand "doesntmatteradamn"), until we manage to win the big one again, the incorrect and inaccurate statements about "Mayo choking in Croker Park" will continue to be made and theres only one way to stop it.
Also, Rory Hickey, WTF, wasnt too bad in the first half but just some down right bizarre decisions in the second and I have to say we got the better of his randomness
I was very disappointed once again, we conceded 3 goals and it should have been 5. Far too open yet again. Can't recall us creating any genuine goal chance,
Individually we did ok, collectively we were a disappointment and I put that down to Mulholland. In parts the players knew what was required to beat Mayo but there was no system in place to give them a realistic chance of doing so.
Mulholland is clearly not learning quick enough, hopefully we'll beat Tipp. I'm very worried about the potential game against Kerry, O'Donoghue will have a field day.
On the plus side we kicked 16 points and should have been 20+. Conroy kicked 4 points from play, Walsh did well, FOC & Flynn will have learnt a lot from the game. Cummins could have easily scored 5 points, 3 of his wides were dreadful. I was disappointed with the amount of daft ball that went into the full forward line, too much of hope for the best.
Quote from: Canalman on July 14, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
Was surprised to read at the weekend that Mayo have more Connacht titles than Galway. Always assumed Galway were way ahead.
Galway have a better SCR (Sam conversion rate ).
The tragedy of mayo football. Very like the Galway hurlers.
Can`t win the big prize at the first attempt.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
I was very disappointed once again, we conceded 3 goals and it should have been 5. Far too open yet again. Can't recall us creating any genuine goal chance,
Walsh rattled the crossbar. Conroy shot just over the bar when he could have gone for goal not long after. Walsh had his pen saved. Think there was an opportunity in the first half where one more handpass would have created a one on one with the keeper but it was messed up. They nearly all came from individual play though rather than from any team build-up.
From a Mayo perspective that would be the main concern I would imagine. Galway scored 0-16 and it could easily have been 1-20 or 1-21. I dread to think what Dublin could have scored against both sides yesterday. They would probably have put 6 goals past us for a start.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 14, 2014, 12:59:09 PM
I was very disappointed once again, we conceded 3 goals and it should have been 5. Far too open yet again. Can't recall us creating any genuine goal chance,
Walsh rattled the crossbar. Conroy shot just over the bar when he could have gone for goal not long after. Walsh had his pen saved. Think there was an opportunity in the first half where one more handpass would have created a one on one with the keeper but it was messed up. They nearly all came from individual play though rather than from any team build-up.
From a Mayo perspective that would be the main concern I would imagine. Galway scored 0-16 and it could easily have been 1-20 or 1-21. I dread to think what Dublin could have scored against both sides yesterday. They would probably have put 6 goals past us for a start.
But none of them were great goals chances though, they were half chances compared to the chances Mayo created. I do agree we should have easily hit 20 points +, we hit some dreadful wides.
Tipperary will be a serious test for Galway. With Galways back door record this is a fixture laced with fear for them. Should they overcome that they then have to deal with their recent Croke Park record against a improving Kerry side. I find it hard to believe how Galway football has struggled the last dozen years. Part of it seems to be the failure to address how the game has moved on since Armagh won the AI in 2002. Mulholland seems to think that playing with an open style will get you there. This is either a lazy attitude (as it takes allot of discipline and work to set yourself up to be hard to beat) or he just does not have the necessary tactical skills.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Tipperary will be a serious test for Galway. With Galways back door record this is a fixture laced with fear for them. Should they overcome that they then have to deal with their recent Croke Park record against a improving Kerry side. I find it hard to believe how Galway football has struggled the last dozen years. Part of it seems to be the failure to address how the game has moved on since Armagh won the AI in 2002. Mulholland seems to think that playing with an open style will get you there. This is either a lazy attitude (as it takes allot of discipline and work to set yourself up to be hard to beat) or he just does not have the necessary tactical skills.
Ask the meath or armagh lads how 12 years are wasted.
Sometimes you just don't have the players or the hunger.
It's good to give other teams a turn as well. :)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Tipperary will be a serious test for Galway. With Galways back door record this is a fixture laced with fear for them. Should they overcome that they then have to deal with their recent Croke Park record against a improving Kerry side. I find it hard to believe how Galway football has struggled the last dozen years. Part of it seems to be the failure to address how the game has moved on since Armagh won the AI in 2002. Mulholland seems to think that playing with an open style will get you there. This is either a lazy attitude (as it takes allot of discipline and work to set yourself up to be hard to beat) or he just does not have the necessary tactical skills.
Mulholland tried to play defensive football, Galway were just useless at it.
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Tipperary will be a serious test for Galway. With Galways back door record this is a fixture laced with fear for them. Should they overcome that they then have to deal with their recent Croke Park record against a improving Kerry side. I find it hard to believe how Galway football has struggled the last dozen years. Part of it seems to be the failure to address how the game has moved on since Armagh won the AI in 2002. Mulholland seems to think that playing with an open style will get you there. This is either a lazy attitude (as it takes allot of discipline and work to set yourself up to be hard to beat) or he just does not have the necessary tactical skills.
Mulholland tried to play defensive football, Galway were just useless at it.
It looked like something they tried to implement with a week or two's practice at it. They had numbers back there but half the players didn't really seem to know where they should be. They turned over Mayo a few times but on twice as many occasions they almost had the turnover but the 2nd or 3rd player wouldn't come in on time to secure it and the Mayo player could slip the ball away. The goals conceded were just awful. The Keegan one he just ran straight past 3 Galway defenders who were all ball watching. All they had to do was track him or even just run across his running line to block him off. That shouldn't have even been difficult to defend.
They actually looked a lot better when they abandoned the game plan of the first 20 minutes and just went out and attacked. Granted they gave up a few more chances but at least they started to score regularly at the other end.
Galway v Tipp in Tullamore and live on Sky at 7pm on the 26th of July
Great to win yesterday, congratulations to Horan & the team. Four in a row is to be savoured.
Galway played better than last year but it never really felt like the result was in doubt. It seemed as if Galway didn't believed they would win and were happy enough to compete, perhaps a hangover from last year in Salthill. They could have hung their heads yesterday when they went 7 down in the first half but fair play to them they kept fighting til the end and if they hadn't put 3-4 bad wides, they would have been a lot closer. Tipp away will be a tough enough match but if they can win that, they're into a "purist's" quarter final against Kerry which should make for a good game.
Positives from the game:
COC was excellent, great movement off the ball and he used it very well when he got it.
Barrett coming back from injury played reasonably well
AOS did well in a non-orthodox CHF role, picked up a lot of breaking ball as opposed to just fielding
McLoughlin was back to close to his best, hope he can maintain that. His pass for Lee Keegan's goal chance in the second half was class
Doc had a very good game
No new injuries
Negatives:
We're still playing from the same deck of players as last year, other than less injuries we don't have much different to offer
Dillon & Andy were average at best and Conroy & Freeman showed very little when they came on – if Freeman can start playing to his potential consistently, he can be as marquee as (almost) any forward in the country. I would have liked to see Sweeney on earlier as well
We dwell too long on the ball, on a good few occasions yesterday, the FF line made runs into space and didn't receive the ball. Instead, the player on the ball carried it into the Galway backs and got swallowed up – and Galway aren't even very good at that type of defending, Donegal / Dublin / Monaghan will hit harder and swarm twice as fast. Players need to look up and pass as early as possible when a run is made instead of taking a solo or two every time they have the ball, fast movement is what's needed to beat the best teams out there.
Match went as expected, Mayo are still in the top 2 or 3 teams in the country, Galway are not near the top and pre match I would have expected a 6 or 7 point margin at least, only chance that Galway had was that Mayo wouldn't show up on the day, at the end of the day Mayo have better players in every line of the pitch, they are physically and tactically superior and after they had established their dominance, they always looked like being able to go up a few gears if needed, at no stage did Galway threaten to get anything out of the game.
Disappointed with the Galway plan (or lack of it) for the game, at half time I was thinking "You had all year to come up with something for Mayo and this is it?", the players looked tentative and although there was plenty of bodies back at times, an actual defensively focused plan didn't look to be in operation.
Lee Keegan hitting the crossbar in the second half when he should have goaled is a classic example, plenty of Galway men running to the man in possession but another player left totally free, it seemed more ad hoc than the definite gameplan shown by the Rossies in the Connacht semi-final.
Conroy was yet again our best yesterday, has been man of the match for Galway in nearly every game he's played the past two years, at this stage he is the only Galway player you could say is operating at the level of the best players in the game. Shane Walsh will be a great player if he develops into the player he has the potential to be but he needs to cut out the speculative efforts, some of the kicks he attempted were of the 20% chance variety, needs to look at the best forward on show yesterday (Cillian O'Connor) for an example of clear thinking for use of the ball when in possession.
The criticism of Walsh from some here is harsh in my opinion, could have had a better effort at the penalty but he is still a reliable free taker from left and right and is playing in a very average team, there's only so much you can expect from a kid against a very good Mayo team, there is no one else on the Galway team that is capable of taking on the point he got from near the end line in the second half or the shot that hit the crossbar which on another day would go in.
Some of the passing from Galway was terrible in both halves, aimless kicking into space where there was no Galway player or into a bunch of players, Cummins was out in front of Barrett for low ball into him all the time in the first half yet at one point there was a big high kick delivered on top of the two of them, of course Barrett had an easy task leaping over the 5 foot nothing Cummins to secure the ball, intelligent use of the ball is a must when up against a superior team and at times it was more hit and hope than anything. Mayo looked much more comfortable in passing whether defending, attacking or transitioning between the two, although there was times that Mayo got caught out taking too much out of the ball as well, probably they were up so much that some bit of complacency creeped into their play.
I see that some of the Mayo posters thought Barrett played well, I'm surprised at that, maybe when I watch the recording of the game back I'll see it different, easy enough to misjudge or miss out on things when at the match.
The Galway kick outs were a disaster, Mayo had a clear plan for theirs, whether it was quick low ball into space for Seamus O'Shea to run onto it unopposed or on occasion dragging the Galway midfield to the wings and pumping it down on Aidan O'Shea it usually worked and Mayo were really quick at getting the ball back into play asap after any Galway point or wide. Galway were slow and let Mayo get reset on the pitch at their leisure before each kick out then hit it out to the middleand hope that Galway got hold of it somehow. It was the most obvious difference in terms of the preparation that could be seen on the pitch, Galway tried to speed it up in the second half and there was a slight improvement but still they nearly got caught at the back with the short kick outs.
Galway also got murdered on the breaking ball, Mayo way sharper when it mattered in the first half at this. Mayo goals were all poor from a Galway perspective; they should have got another goal at least as well.
Lundy started well and was giving Mayo some issues in the first ten minutes, what does Horan do? Keith Higgins moved onto him straight away, problem solved. In contrast no attempt was made to make any changes to try and combat Cillian O'Connor over the entire 70 minutes, there was every chance it wouldn't have made any difference but to not try at least rectify it a small bit? Madness.
Referee was inconsistent for both teams; Mayo had what looked like a certain penalty to me not given in the second half. Conroy was pulled back by Cafferkey in the first half, no free (he just fell over Cafferkey another time and to be fair the ref told him to get on with it), Aidan O'Shea clearly dived in the second half (was probably fouled before it but it was the dive that was blown for) – free in for Mayo. Galway also got a few frees that I found it hard to say what they were for, couldn't see any foul by the Mayo players involved.
For Mayo Cillian O'Connor was the outstanding player, didn't waste a ball and played really great "head up" football, always looking to see if a pass to a better placed team mate was available, working himself into good scoring positions if not. I thought that Doherty and Aidan O'Shea were excellent on the breaks and in general play around the midfield/half forward area.
It may sound harsh but if Mayo want to achieve their ultimate aim this year Dillon and Moran have to be relegated to the role of impact subs, they were the poorest performing Mayo players and I haven't seen a good game out of Dillon in a long while, both of them seemed to slow down the Mayo attack whenever they were on the ball.
Positives for Galway were that unlike last year at least they kept trying to the end and they can approach a very difficult qualifier against a rising Tipperary team that will fancy their chances in better shape than if there was a totally collapse.
Tipp aren't near the team that Mayo are so you have to approach it in a positive and optimistic frame of mind, it is definitely a game they can win, to be honest yesterday wasn't.
4 in a row is a great achievement and everyone involved in Mayo football deserves a lot of credit for that.
Add in a minor double and we are in a pretty good place at the moment.
We just need Sam.
QuoteWe dwell too long on the ball, on a good few occasions yesterday, the FF line made runs into space and didn't receive the ball. Instead, the player on the ball carried it into the Galway backs and got swallowed up
I would have to agree with that statement. I was behind the goal Mayo were attacking in the first half & was watching the Mayo ff line closely. Cillian O Connor in particular was making runs all over the place & had Donal O Neill chasing shadows only for the ball not to be delivered into him.
There was another 2 or 3 goals in it for Mayo if they had let the ball in earlier. The fb line is the weakest sector of the Galway team by far.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 14, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
We dwell too long on the ball, on a good few occasions yesterday, the FF line made runs into space and didn't receive the ball. Instead, the player on the ball carried it into the Galway backs and got swallowed up – and Galway aren't even very good at that type of defending, Donegal / Dublin / Monaghan will hit harder and swarm twice as fast. Players need to look up and pass as early as possible when a run is made instead of taking a solo or two every time they have the ball, fast movement is what's needed to beat the best teams out there.
Andy is the biggest culprit of this, never a quick ball from him. Fine yesterday but definitely not good enough against better teams.
On teh quick kickouts, there was the one where Hoare (I think) lost his boot kicking a wide, Hennelly comes out and kicks the boot out of his way because he wants to get on with the game. Ref blows it up, slows it down and talks to Hennelly, I thought at one stage he was going to give a hop ball. Useless c**t
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 14, 2014, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 14, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
We dwell too long on the ball, on a good few occasions yesterday, the FF line made runs into space and didn't receive the ball. Instead, the player on the ball carried it into the Galway backs and got swallowed up – and Galway aren't even very good at that type of defending, Donegal / Dublin / Monaghan will hit harder and swarm twice as fast. Players need to look up and pass as early as possible when a run is made instead of taking a solo or two every time they have the ball, fast movement is what's needed to beat the best teams out there.
Andy is the biggest culprit of this, never a quick ball from him. Fine yesterday but definitely not good enough against better teams.
On teh quick kickouts, there was the one where Hoare (I think) lost his boot kicking a wide, Hennelly comes out and kicks the boot out of his way because he wants to get on with the game. Ref blows it up, slows it down and talks to Hennelly, I thought at one stage he was going to give a hop ball. Useless c**t
I know, I couldn't believe that when I saw it. I thought the hoor would give Hennelly a card such was his incompetence.
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
Re Hennelly and boot. In fairness it was a bit cheeky. There may not be rules for this. But it lacked a bit of good manners and the Ref was correct to Intervene.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
This is all a bit harsh. Is it reasonable to spend months implementing a game plan for a possible 3rd round clash that might not happen? Or would it be better to focus on getting some momentum and make progress while focussing on your own players?
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
This is all a bit harsh. Is it reasonable to spend months implementing a game plan for a possible 3rd round clash that might not happen? Or would it be better to focus on getting some momentum and make progress while focussing on your own players?
Galway don't look to have done much of that either.
A Mayo-Galway Connacht final was always the most likely outcome, sadly. Galway weren't even as well prepared as they could be for a quite predictable meeting. That falls on the head of the manager.
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
You have to factor Johnno into the equation. The quality was there. In the league 2010 we beat Tyrone, Kerry Cork and Derry away and beat Galway andMonaghan in McHale Park. We lost to Dublin by a point and took a bit of a caning by Cork in the league final. Cork went on to win the AI during our summer of misery. But a year later the same bunch were knocking Cork out in August. The point I m making is that the quality was there. We ve survived comfortably in div 1 for years but we appointed 2 long term managers for long periods since 1999 who couldn t do championships.
Now I haven t seen an awful lot of this Galway team and unquestionably likes of Walsh has class in spades. But I was disappointed with a couple that came in hyped.
Mind you I remember a young Kevin Walsh getting a bit of a lesson from Lord Liam and thinking he was too pedestrian and would never amount to much. By the time he was 30 he had become a top player, so who am I to talk ;D
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
This is all a bit harsh. Is it reasonable to spend months implementing a game plan for a possible 3rd round clash that might not happen? Or would it be better to focus on getting some momentum and make progress while focussing on your own players?
Galway don't look to have done much of that either.
A Mayo-Galway Connacht final was always the most likely outcome, sadly. Galway weren't even as well prepared as they could be for a quite predictable meeting. That falls on the head of the manager.
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But he did set them up defensively. As defensively as Evans did with Ros. But it didn t work out as well. There are reasons for that, one of which may be that his players were not as good at it ( they didn t have anybody to do what Cregg as able to do).
Bur there were other reasons.
5 weeks on and Mayo were fitter and more focused. A shot at history was not going to be gambled with. I said at the time of selection that the team named was a statement of intent.
Mayo cleaned up on kickouts and breaks around the middle. Ros had bossed this area but we brought a different level of intensity to this aspect of the game the last day.
McLoughlin was restored to his proper position and was arguably our best player and hugely influential picking a massed defense.
As a team we went about the job of breaking down the blanket. Crucial to this was the selection of Andyand Dillon who made clever runs and created space. They ve had their critics since but they take watching and others like Cillian and Kevin Mac and Keegan did the damage.
Mayo missed first half chances v Ros that they got the last day.
Conditions were much better and suited Mayo s style than the bogfest in the long grass in the Hyde.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
This is all a bit harsh. Is it reasonable to spend months implementing a game plan for a possible 3rd round clash that might not happen? Or would it be better to focus on getting some momentum and make progress while focussing on your own players?
Galway don't look to have done much of that either.
A Mayo-Galway Connacht final was always the most likely outcome, sadly. Galway weren't even as well prepared as they could be for a quite predictable meeting. That falls on the head of the manager.
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But he did set them up defensively. As defensively as Evans did with Ros. But it didn t work out as well. There are reasons for that, one of which may be that his players were not as good at it ( they didn t have anybody to do what Cregg as able to do).
Bur there were other reasons.
5 weeks on and Mayo were fitter and more focused. A shot at history was not going to be gambled with. I said at the time of selection that the team named was a statement of intent.
Mayo cleaned up on kickouts and breaks around the middle. Ros had bossed this area but we brought a different level of intensity to this aspect of the game the last day.
McLoughlin was restored to his proper position and was arguably our best player and hugely influential picking a massed defense.
As a team we went about the job of breaking down the blanket. Crucial to this was the selection of Andyand Dillon who made clever runs and created space. They ve had their critics since but they take watching and others like Cillian and Kevin Mac and Keegan did the damage.
Mayo missed first half chances v Ros that they got the last day.
Conditions were much better and suited Mayo s style than the bogfest in the long grass in the Hyde.
Galway looked like a rabble at the back. Clueless positional sense with men back. As GBB said, the goal Keegan almost got was a glaring failure of basic tactics. What we did and what Galway did was just an example of how there's an art to getting numbers back and it takes players reading where players are and where holes in the defence are going to appear to do it well. You can't be ball watching like school children and expect to defend properly, blanket or no blanket.
Leitrim and Cavan tried to play blanket defence against us and particularly in Leitrim's case they couldn't do it to a high enough level to slow us down. Cavan's U21s gave a masterclass of defensive football v. Dublin this year, it was exceptional work by sweepers reading passes and defenders legally dispossessing attackers. Quality defence is a joy to behold but it takes a ton of work to do it right. Galway either didn't put the work in or they simply don't have players with good enough heads to read attacks properly.
You're also retconning conditions at the Hyde - it rained heavy before the match but during it was decent and it hasn't much if any impact on the game.
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 10:50:31 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2014, 07:17:20 PM
Four in a row is a fantastic achievement.
A lot has been said about conceding 16 points and it is of course a lot. An unbelievable amount when you take into account how much we dominated primary possession. I m convinced our biggest fault remains turnover ball. Watching a recording there I counted 27 turnovers and 10 led directly to Galway scores. It could have been worse. Second half throw in was gathered quite comfortably by Barry ( who had a very good game imo) who then just inexplicably threw it away and Walsh tore onto it and ran through hitting the bar. There were other turnovers in the second half that led to our backs coming under unnecessary pressure and coughing up frees and scores. Chris Barrett gave away the ball twice for 2 scores e.g.
It looked for much of the second half that Mayo were content to keep Galway at arms length and conceding the odd point didn t seem of much concern. But I d be worried about soft turnovers because apart from a couple of instances the player was not under much pressure. Certainly from now on you d expect harder tackling than what we experienced yesterday. Turnovers cost us the Donegal AI and will be the rock we perish on again unless its sorted.
Much has been made of Andy and Dillon. I was happy enough with both. Dillon made some very clever runs. If Doc could have got the pass away Dillon could easily have finished with 1-3 (2 poor wides he usually never misses). The game will bring him on. Andy had the measure of Hanley but decision making ruined his day. He turned the ball over 4 times - our worst culprit. 2 or 3 of these were where he was being either over ambitious with a pass or complacent.
As for Galway, time will tell if this team develops into anything special. They worked hard yesterday but not convinced they have enough quality around the field. Even when Galway used to be able to win AIs we were never that far off them. Yesterday was 7 points. Even that is too much but it could have been so much more. Lee Keegan should have had 3 goals by himself. Mayo did nothing much after the peno except play out time. Tipperary will tell us more about Galway. I doubt defeat in that would be accectable in any circumstances and that will bring its own pressure.
That Mayo performance was built on a lot of experience. Longford 26 june 2010 was the nadir. Disgusted demoralised defeated. 4 years of playing well followed. Galway can take heart and inspiration from them.
Absolutely, But I do feel Mulholland is not the man! Yesterday was about making life an awkward as possible for Mayo. It looked like Galway prepared in the last 2 weeks (out of the last year) to deal with Mayo. The Rossies set the tempo in their game against us, upset our game and nearly ambushed us. Mulhollands methods look like underage tactic where you are dealing with players over a short number of months and tactics come into focus for the next team you are playing. In fairness to the man he seems to be putting the foot down in regard to discipline, but he just does not seem to be a man with a focus.
This is all a bit harsh. Is it reasonable to spend months implementing a game plan for a possible 3rd round clash that might not happen? Or would it be better to focus on getting some momentum and make progress while focussing on your own players?
Galway don't look to have done much of that either.
A Mayo-Galway Connacht final was always the most likely outcome, sadly. Galway weren't even as well prepared as they could be for a quite predictable meeting. That falls on the head of the manager.
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But he did set them up defensively. As defensively as Evans did with Ros. But it didn t work out as well. There are reasons for that, one of which may be that his players were not as good at it ( they didn t have anybody to do what Cregg as able to do).
Bur there were other reasons.
5 weeks on and Mayo were fitter and more focused. A shot at history was not going to be gambled with. I said at the time of selection that the team named was a statement of intent.
Mayo cleaned up on kickouts and breaks around the middle. Ros had bossed this area but we brought a different level of intensity to this aspect of the game the last day.
McLoughlin was restored to his proper position and was arguably our best player and hugely influential picking a massed defense.
As a team we went about the job of breaking down the blanket. Crucial to this was the selection of Andyand Dillon who made clever runs and created space. They ve had their critics since but they take watching and others like Cillian and Kevin Mac and Keegan did the damage.
Mayo missed first half chances v Ros that they got the last day.
Conditions were much better and suited Mayo s style than the bogfest in the long grass in the Hyde.
Galway looked like a rabble at the back. Clueless positional sense with men back. As GBB said, the goal Keegan almost got was a glaringly of basic tactics. What we did and what Galway did was just an example of how there's an art to getting numbers back and it takes players reading where players are and where holes in the defence are going to appear to do it well. You can't be ball watching like school children and expect to defend properly, blanket or no blanket.
Leitrim and Cavan tried to play blanket defence against us and particularly in Leitrim's case they couldn't do it to a high enough level to slow us down. Cavan's U21s gave a masterclass of defensive football v. Dublin this year, it was exceptional work by sweepers reading passes and defenders legally dispossessing attackers. Quality defence is a joy to behold but it takes a ton of work to do it right. Galway either didn't put the work in or they simply don't have players with good enough heads to read attacks properly.
You're also retconning conditions at the Hyde - it rained heavy before the match but during it was decent and it hasn't much if any impact on the game.
The grass was longish but it was the same for both I accept.
But I believe our team the last day would have broken the Ros down earlier and more often. Our attitude and approach was poles apart. After 5 mins the last day I was happy the way we were going about things. It was the first time I was comfortable watching us play a packed defence and I believe it was as much about what we were doing right for a change rather than what the Galway backs were doing wrong. Take the Keegan goal. Lovely dinky pass from Andy for Cillian who made a run into the corner from his own side. This run in itself created space and caused confusion in the defence. Cillian then beats his man. Keegan as he often does made a run. He ran from deep alright but a late dash put him beyond any covering player. Very difficult to prevent that goal without fouling somebody. The kick passes and runs were top drawer.
A big development from the Ros to Galway games were our half forward lines. Very little impact in The Hyde but probably the best line the last day. Maybe we ve finally cracked this blanket thing? time will tell.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 07:18:16 PM
Re Hennelly and boot. In fairness it was a bit cheeky. There may not be rules for this. But it lacked a bit of good manners and the Ref was correct to Intervene.
I'm sorry there is no place for manners, Hennelly wanted to take a quick kick out and Hoare was walking directly in front of him to get his boot. Get the f**k out of my way was the response I would want from my goalie everytime.
Manners are fine off the pitch I'd prefer cocky, arrogant, ignorant players that are a mild disgrace to their families with their carry-on
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 15, 2014, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2014, 07:18:16 PM
Re Hennelly and boot. In fairness it was a bit cheeky. There may not be rules for this. But it lacked a bit of good manners and the Ref was correct to Intervene.
I'm sorry there is no place for manners, Hennelly wanted to take a quick kick out and Hoare was walking directly in front of him to get his boot. Get the f**k out of my way was the response I would want from my goalie everytime.
Manners are fine off the pitch I'd prefer cocky, arrogant, ignorant players that are a mild disgrace to their families with their carry-on
You must have loved the Ros team of the early 00's.
Galway did well in parts against Mayo, however it was very difficult to see what style of football were we trying to play.
We were defensive at times. It looked like at the start we had a lot of bodies back there, but none of them very active. This is where the game plan needs to be worked on over and over again, rather than two weeks before playing Mayo. I think Galway have learned from last year, and hopefully they'll learn again from this year and how having bodies back there doesn't mean a whole lot if they aren't covering the scoring zone and most importantly picking up players like Lee Keegan who may make runs through towards goal. There was a lot of naive ball watching at times which shows the lack of a few leaders there.
When we broke then it was a bit of a disaster against the wind. We left Conroy and Cummins up there and just fired long aimless ball at them. Cummins seemed to get the aimless high ball which would suit Conroy a bit more, and Conroy got the ball hopping in front of him that would have suited Cummins pace. Either way we had no real attacking threat. Our attacking tactic appeared very individualistic but I feel it was more that everything was nearly just off the cuff with no real pattern to it.
It's not a coincidence that Mayo often seem to have lads in acres of space right in front of goal. Mayo work on the creation of that space, and there may be three or four runs going into that in order to release Keegan. Whereas we are reliant on a piece of magic from Conroy or Walsh. You can't build any consistency from that.
Anyone hear the interview with Mayo selector Tom Prendergast at HT on Sunday where he sounded very annoyed with being asked about Galways midfield.Basically told Colm Parkinson not to be talking rubbish.Kinda funny.Heard Aiden o Shea being interviewed on the same program and he alluded to the fact that they were trying to tailor there training to peaking later in the season by training harder closer to games than in seasons past.The one thing I took from the two interviews was the total belief in the camp that we will be very close again this year to the holy grail.
i would genuinely say that Dublin are the only team that Mayo would be overly worried about this year and going on the evidsence of what we have seen so far they would probably be right in fact at the moment my rankings would be,
1)dublin
2) mayo
3 Kerry
4) Donegal
5)monaghan
6 cork
7 meath
8 Tipp
9)galway
10 kildare
11 Armagh,Roscommon,sligo ,clare,
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
i would genuinely say that Dublin are the only team that Mayo would be overly worried about this year and going on the evidsence of what we have seen so far they would probably be right in fact at the moment my rankings would be,
1)dublin
2) mayo
3 Kerry
4) Donegal
5)monaghan
6 cork
7 meath
8 Tipp
9)galway
10 kildare
11 Armagh,Roscommon,sligo ,clare,
I think I'd swap Mpnaghan and Donegal and also Cork and Galway.
Other than those switches, Id' go with he rest of you selection.
Think ye might be underestimating Monaghan and Donegal a bit, I'd certainly have both ahead of Kerry at the moment. Sunday might make this statement look a bit foolhardy but I reckon Monaghan right up there with the best (bar Dublin). I think they'd give any team their fill of it. No way Galway are 6 for me Lar, not sure they're even top 12 yet.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2014, 09:47:11 AM
i would genuinely say that Dublin are the only team that Mayo would be overly worried about this year and going on the evidsence of what we have seen so far they would probably be right in fact at the moment my rankings would be,
1)dublin
2) mayo
3 Kerry
4) Donegal
5)monaghan
6 cork
7 meath
8 Tipp
9)galway
10 kildare
11 Armagh,Roscommon,sligo ,clare,
Talk about a windup, all speculative. We'll soon find out where 7-12 are in the next few weeks.
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Think ye might be underestimating Monaghan and Donegal a bit, I'd certainly have both ahead of Kerry at the moment. Sunday might make this statement look a bit foolhardy but I reckon Monaghan right up there with the best (bar Dublin). I think they'd give any team their fill of it. No way Galway are 6 for me Lar, not sure they're even top 12 yet.
Right now, Monaghan look very good but their lack of exposure to top flight competition might tell against them if they get by the QF stage.
Seems to be that it's harder to get into the top flight than it is to stay there.
Galway gave Mayo a far better fight than the final score line would suggest.
A lack of composure in front of goal meant they fluffed some great scoring chances.
Mind you, I also felt Mayo were playing well within themselves and could raise the tempo at any time if needed.
The present Galway side has lots of potential and should be a force to be reckoned for years to come. The average age is quite low and there are plenty of naturally talented players onboard.
The recent game will have brought them on a lot.
Kerry are stirring again. The "expert" opinion has been that with so many serious players having retired recently, they will take years to make a comeback but they've come up with a few handy youngsters already.
Put it this way; if Kerry were to meet Monaghan, I d say their tradition, or sense of entitlement to a place at the top table, would be worth a few points to them at the very least. On the other hand, their lack of same could tell against Monaghan and deny them a similar amount.
So, from a pure football point of view, I'd rate Monaghan before Kerry but in an actual head top head, I'd favour The Kingdom.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Think ye might be underestimating Monaghan and Donegal a bit, I'd certainly have both ahead of Kerry at the moment. Sunday might make this statement look a bit foolhardy but I reckon Monaghan right up there with the best (bar Dublin). I think they'd give any team their fill of it. No way Galway are 6 for me Lar, not sure they're even top 12 yet.
Right now, Monaghan look very good but their lack of exposure to top flight competition might tell against them if they get by the QF stage.
Seems to be that it's harder to get into the top flight than it is to stay there.
Galway gave Mayo a far better fight than the final score line would suggest.
A lack of composure in front of goal meant they fluffed some great scoring chances.
Mind you, I also felt Mayo were playing well within themselves and could raise the tempo at any time if needed.
The present Galway side has lots of potential and should be a force to be reckoned for years to come. The average age is quite low and there are plenty of naturally talented players onboard.
The recent game will have brought them on a lot.
Kerry are stirring again. The "expert" opinion has been that with so many serious players having retired recently, they will take years to make a comeback but they've come up with a few handy youngsters already.
Put it this way; if Kerry were to meet Monaghan, I d say their tradition, or sense of entitlement to a place at the top table, would be worth a few points to them at the very least. On the other hand, their lack of same could tell against Monaghan and deny them a similar amount.
So, from a pure football point of view, I'd rate Monaghan before Kerry but in an actual head top head, I'd favour The Kingdom.
I think it was pretty obvious they gave Mayo far less of a fight than the scoreline suggests, Lar. It was hardly a contest at all to be honest.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Zulu on July 17, 2014, 11:46:20 AM
Think ye might be underestimating Monaghan and Donegal a bit, I'd certainly have both ahead of Kerry at the moment. Sunday might make this statement look a bit foolhardy but I reckon Monaghan right up there with the best (bar Dublin). I think they'd give any team their fill of it. No way Galway are 6 for me Lar, not sure they're even top 12 yet.
Right now, Monaghan look very good but their lack of exposure to top flight competition might tell against them if they get by the QF stage.
Seems to be that it's harder to get into the top flight than it is to stay there.
Galway gave Mayo a far better fight than the final score line would suggest.
A lack of composure in front of goal meant they fluffed some great scoring chances.
Mind you, I also felt Mayo were playing well within themselves and could raise the tempo at any time if needed.
The present Galway side has lots of potential and should be a force to be reckoned for years to come. The average age is quite low and there are plenty of naturally talented players onboard.
The recent game will have brought them on a lot.
Kerry are stirring again. The "expert" opinion has been that with so many serious players having retired recently, they will take years to make a comeback but they've come up with a few handy youngsters already.
Put it this way; if Kerry were to meet Monaghan, I d say their tradition, or sense of entitlement to a place at the top table, would be worth a few points to them at the very least. On the other hand, their lack of same could tell against Monaghan and deny them a similar amount.
So, from a pure football point of view, I'd rate Monaghan before Kerry but in an actual head top head, I'd favour The Kingdom.
I think it was pretty obvious they gave Mayo far less of a fight than the scoreline suggests, Lar. It was hardly a contest at all to be honest.
Within seconds of the restart, a Barry Moran gaffe left Shane Walsh with a clear run to goal, right?
A more experienced player would have buried it.
Bob Hennely did well to save that penalty.
If the like sof Pee Joyce was to take it, what would have happened, do you think?
It goes on and on...
(And I'd better get along now or my dinner will wind up in the dog.) ;D
the only reason i have kerry and donegal so high is their relativley recent record of winning. this seem to have far too much influence but i dont make the rules.
I agree galway had they got thise 2 goals at the beginning of the second half they could well have beaten mayo, but had Lee keegan scored his chance mayo would have won by more , thats just the way games go.
i eould not blame Walsh in any way for missing it it was a chance he made for himself and he struck the ball beautifully
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
McGee is some ****
On Keegan
Keegan's goal when he was almost on the opposing goal-line raises yet again his tendency to charge up the field from his wing half-back position rather than confining his play as a purely defensive half-back. Something for Mayo people to ponder upon no doubt.
On AOS
The experiment of playing former midfielder Aidan O'Shea at centre-forward does not seem to be a serious proposition based on what we saw in Castlebar. He drifted in to a wing-forward role for periods and maybe there is a bit of uncertainty in the camp about what to do with the big Breaffy player.
On Barry Moran, who fair enough didnt have a great game but is still a nominated all-star midfielder
Also of interest was the return of Barry Moran, who made such a big impression with Castlebar in the club championship, to midfield, but the jury is probably out on that one too.
Is he being serious about Keegan? He wants the best attacking HB in the game to sit back and be defensive on a team that relies heavily on HBs to score and set up attacks? Sweet fûck.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
McGee is some ****
On Keegan
Keegan's goal when he was almost on the opposing goal-line raises yet again his tendency to charge up the field from his wing half-back position rather than confining his play as a purely defensive half-back. Something for Mayo people to ponder upon no doubt.
On AOS
The experiment of playing former midfielder Aidan O'Shea at centre-forward does not seem to be a serious proposition based on what we saw in Castlebar. He drifted in to a wing-forward role for periods and maybe there is a bit of uncertainty in the camp about what to do with the big Breaffy player.
On Barry Moran, who fair enough didnt have a great game but is still a nominated all-star midfielder
Also of interest was the return of Barry Moran, who made such a big impression with Castlebar in the club championship, to midfield, but the jury is probably out on that one too.
The man's a clown. Keegan is probably the best half back in Ireland at the moment and his driving runs into the opposition half are a big part of that. His opinion piece in the independent is usually pure rubbish and I fail to see why he is deemed a serious football analyst.
There might be a bit of uncertainty in the Mayo camp as to where to play Aidan but it's not uncommon for teams to be constantly evolving and Mayo happen to have a surplus of very good midfielders so trying to accommodate more of them in the team is understandable.
Of course the jury's still out on Barry, he has had numerous injuries and hasn't ever really had a good run of IC football so it's hardly insightful to say he has a bit to prove as an IC midfielder that can power an All Ireland winning team.
Football is a game that allows analysts plenty of scope to be interesting and offer views a bit different. Tactics, player roles and the game itself have all evolved so much over the past few years that a thoughtful, informed analyst should have plenty of interesting things to say. Yet we're offered that type of drivel.
Why does anybody read the Indo anymore?? Barely above tabloid level
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
McGee is some ****
On Keegan
Keegan's goal when he was almost on the opposing goal-line raises yet again his tendency to charge up the field from his wing half-back position rather than confining his play as a purely defensive half-back. Something for Mayo people to ponder upon no doubt.
On AOS
The experiment of playing former midfielder Aidan O'Shea at centre-forward does not seem to be a serious proposition based on what we saw in Castlebar. He drifted in to a wing-forward role for periods and maybe there is a bit of uncertainty in the camp about what to do with the big Breaffy player.
On Barry Moran, who fair enough didnt have a great game but is still a nominated all-star midfielder
Also of interest was the return of Barry Moran, who made such a big impression with Castlebar in the club championship, to midfield, but the jury is probably out on that one too.
Please refrain from reading this drivel in the future. Eugene sticks by the rules of stereotype. These rules include not acknowledging any Mayo forwards or forward play. Thinking every Galway player is the next best forward since the last best forward. Meath teams are never beat. Tyrone teams hold the copyright to being cynical. Kerry and Galway are the only teams that can play the beautiful game.
Anyway, to make thing worse he is chairman of nearly every GAA review group! How did he get there?
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2014, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 17, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
McGee is some ****
On Keegan
Keegan's goal when he was almost on the opposing goal-line raises yet again his tendency to charge up the field from his wing half-back position rather than confining his play as a purely defensive half-back. Something for Mayo people to ponder upon no doubt.
On AOS
The experiment of playing former midfielder Aidan O'Shea at centre-forward does not seem to be a serious proposition based on what we saw in Castlebar. He drifted in to a wing-forward role for periods and maybe there is a bit of uncertainty in the camp about what to do with the big Breaffy player.
On Barry Moran, who fair enough didnt have a great game but is still a nominated all-star midfielder
Also of interest was the return of Barry Moran, who made such a big impression with Castlebar in the club championship, to midfield, but the jury is probably out on that one too.
Please refrain from reading this drivel in the future. Eugene sticks by the rules of stereotype. These rules include not acknowledging any Mayo forwards or forward play. Thinking every Galway player is the next best forward since the last best forward. Meath teams are never beat. Tyrone teams hold the copyright to being cynical. Kerry and Galway are the only teams that can play the beautiful game.
Anyway, to make thing worse he is chairman of nearly every GAA review group! How did he get there?
Seamus Darby.
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Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2014, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
I was thinking of more recent times. Mayo were Div 3 as well in '96. But don t think that s possible now.
Galway were in Div 1 until relatively recently because likes of Meehan was playing and some of the old guard like Joyce were still togging out. It was a gradual slide though.
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Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2014, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
I was thinking of more recent times. Mayo were Div 3 as well in '96. But don t think that s possible now.
Galway were in Div 1 until relatively recently because likes of Meehan was playing and some of the old guard like Joyce were still togging out. It was a gradual slide though.
The worst kind of slide. You can fool yourself into thinking it's not so bad and suddenly half a decade has passed. At least the Tan Man blew us up in the most spectacular way imaginable so we couldn't mistake what had happened.
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2014, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2014, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 17, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2014, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 17, 2014, 03:46:16 PM
But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
I was thinking of more recent times. Mayo were Div 3 as well in '96. But don t think that s possible now.
Galway were in Div 1 until relatively recently because likes of Meehan was playing and some of the old guard like Joyce were still togging out. It was a gradual slide though.
The worst kind of slide. You can fool yourself into thinking it's not so bad and suddenly half a decade has passed. At least the Tan Man blew us up in the most spectacular way imaginable so we couldn't mistake what had happened.
I know, I know. But how can we square Sir John being the Mayo manager that set a standard for us and is regarded in Roscommon as sending them back to basics?
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But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
I was thinking of more recent times. Mayo were Div 3 as well in '96. But don t think that s possible now.
Galway were in Div 1 until relatively recently because likes of Meehan was playing and some of the old guard like Joyce were still togging out. It was a gradual slide though.
The worst kind of slide. You can fool yourself into thinking it's not so bad and suddenly half a decade has passed. At least the Tan Man blew us up in the most spectacular way imaginable so we couldn't mistake what had happened.
I know, I know. But how can we square Sir John being the Mayo manager that set a standard for us and is regarded in Roscommon as sending them back to basics?
You get one part big name manager from our most hated rivals, one part big-headed disciplinarian and one part experienced, opinionated and successful players and you get an explosion that left Rossie body parts strewn across the county for the next two or three years.
The hate certainly isn't one way and John (no 'een', that's reserved for the current John in charge) likes to stick the boot in any chance he gets. He's no blameless babe.
The whole "paying customers" jibe at supporters has reached legendary status in the county at this stage. I accept he was a good manager for other teams but he was a truly terrible appointment for us that set us on a path that ended up with us in D4 playing fúcking Kilkenny when we had been in or pushing the top 10 or 12 teams in the country pretty much consistently for the first half of the 00's.
Then there's the players he disaffected completely - Frankie could still be on the senior county panel now if he wanted to yet because of Maughan his career ended and we lost one of the best forwards of his generation. Maughan thought he was finished in mid-2005 for christ's sake. How would you feel if someone took over Mayo and managed to get rid of Aidan O'Shea or Cillian O'Connor in their pomps? Those are the sorts of things supporters simply will never forget or forgive.
Anyways, ye should definitely appoint him when the Horan express departs.
That's unlikely to happen.
Things change. But I doubt if we would be contenders now if Maughan didn t do what he did in in his first term with us. And he recovered us again in 04. A few blind spots cost him and the county ... O Neill did a job as well in mid 80. But for a lot of our time we ve wasted talent. The years of Pateen an Johnno eg. Moran and Morrisson gave us a great year in 06 even though they were dead men walking from early on. The Johno and Pateen years were a huge knock back. Horan has been another Maughan/O Neill so far. Strong singled-minded managers.
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That's unlikely to happen.
Things change. But I doubt if we would be contenders now if Maughan didn t do what he did in in his first term with us. And he recovered us again in 04. A few blind spots cost him and the county ... O Neill did a job as well in mid 80. But for a lot of our time we ve wasted talent. The years of Pateen an Johnno eg. Moran and Morrisson gave us a great year in 06 even though they were dead men walking from early on. The Johno and Pateen years were a huge knock back. Horan has been another Maughan/O Neill so far. Strong singled-minded managers.
Aye but it can go horrifically wrong for people like them if results don't go their way. You can even see Horan amassing a small army of disaffected people in Mayo even though he's brought Mayo to untold heights. Imagine what it would be like if he was managing Roscommon, losing and doing the same thing. That's what happened with Maughan in a nutshell.
Ironically Evans is a disciplinarian too but he's much less removed from his players. It's like getting the good points of Maughan combined with someone cute enough to read the temperature of the county and the emotions of the team. Well, most of the time.
Most managers have one big idea and when thats found out ,they may as well retire instead they seem to go on a downward spiral of weaker counties till they end up in westmeath.
Wonder does McGee reckon we can still learn from Derry?
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But none of those things actually happened Lar, so they didnt put up a good fight, they may have if they had scored a couple of goals, had a bit more experience and had a few retired players playing for them.
If they were bringing on Joyce in his youth JM would hardly stand by and watch that, he'd have Jinkin Joe and Willie Joe on before Mulholland knew it
True, Mayo were always in control. But the point I was making was that Galway will have come on a lot after that game. They have the makings of a very good side and will take some beating now.
Even that is a bit of an untruth. Tipp could quite easily beat Galway and then this year looks very bad, barely surviving relegation in D2 and a win against a woeful Sligo performance all they have to show for the year. Manager too is on a seriously hot seat even if they don't lose to Tipp.
Galway have the raw pieces to be a good side (when don't they?) but a lot of the lads they played against ye aren't the answer and the team that does succeed may have surprisingly few of those players starting.
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Agree with that. Galway need to be a Div 1 team again. If a county does not have the quality to be a Div 1 team it's hard to see them able to contend in the championship. Fermanagh did it in 2004 reaching the semis. But what teams have done it since? i cant think of any but I m sure there been at least 1. Down 2010?
I think Galway were D3 in 1995.
We were D1 up until relatively recently and it didn't make much difference
I was thinking of more recent times. Mayo were Div 3 as well in '96. But don t think that s possible now.
Galway were in Div 1 until relatively recently because likes of Meehan was playing and some of the old guard like Joyce were still togging out. It was a gradual slide though.
The worst kind of slide. You can fool yourself into thinking it's not so bad and suddenly half a decade has passed. At least the Tan Man blew us up in the most spectacular way imaginable so we couldn't mistake what had happened.
I know, I know. But how can we square Sir John being the Mayo manager that set a standard for us and is regarded in Roscommon as sending them back to basics?
No possible moy, the laws of logic don't apply to Sir John's managerial odyssey.
Unlike mere mortals, SJ began at the top and steadily worked his way to the bottom. Well, more or less anyway.
An All Ireland B with Clare at his first stint as a county manager, followed by a Munster championship title.
Both tremendous achievements and he came incredibly close to ending Mayo's long wait for Sam.
'96 was the high water mark of his career.
Sheer inexperience cost him the '96 title . Not so the failure in '97. Poor tactical judgement, including a complete failure to cop on that Maurice Fitz had Pateen in his arse pocket from start to finish saw him let that one away.
Next, he didn't stay long in the Fermanagh and he left before he was pushed.
Back to Mayo once more and a complete annihilation in the '04 final. So, in the Mayo trilogy of AI defeats , he went very close in '96, hmmm..not so lose in '97 and went belly up in 2004.
Mortals generally learn as they go along the path of life, John went arseways from start to finish.
The sheepophiles weren't one little bit impressed by SJ's attempts to drill a bit of sense into them. That would be a next to impossible task for most but he had to clear the county boundarioes even faster than he decamped for Fermanagh.
God knows neither Fermanagh nor Roscommon should be too choosy about who would bother to manage them, but even they found The Tan Man too much of a pain in the arse to tolerate.
Apart from all that, I'm told he's quite a nice guy. ;D
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[Apart from all that, I'm told he's quite a nice guy. ;D
He is but a touch of arrogance in his make up. Probably from being an army Officer - the Officer is always right. :'(
The following is Ray Silke column this week in The Advertiser. I don t always like to agree with Ray but I think he s on the money here.
Mayo far superior to Galway — but can they win Sam?
On the Mayo Advertiser vodcast last week - all four pundits went very strongly for a Mayo win in the Connacht final. John Casey of this parish even pushed his prediction out to a six point win for James Horan's men. Hence there was no real surprise last Sunday when Mayo proved once again that they are by far the best team in this province.
Roscommon are narrowing the gap, however Mayo are still the top dogs. They fully merited their four in a row of Connacht titles and it was nice to be at MacHale Park to see Andy Moran make history. The margin of victory was seven points, however, it could have been a good bit more, notwithstanding Robbie Hennelly's fine penalty save off Shane Walsh. I felt that Mayo could have got three more goals had their luck been in. They were denied a stonewall penalty at the start of the second half. Lee Keegan also made a bad effort at a goal, when he was in acres of space (again) and totally unmarked in front of Manus Breathnach, and his shot bombed off the crossbar for a point. And Kevin McLoughlin hit really tamely at Breathnach when he was one-on-one with him in the closing minutes too. All those could have been "Mayo majors" too, and had they hit the onion sack we would have been in the same territory as last year's trouncing in Salthill. Looking forward, and the warm glow of another Connacht title will lose its gloss quickly if Mayo cannot add another, and much more glamorous, trophy by late September.
Based on last weekend's performance, is that likely? No, is the most logical answer.
The difference in physical development, strength, and conditioning between Galway and Mayo was evident all over the field, and in close combat it was invariably a Mayo man who came out with the ball. When you are being totally out-muscled, out-paced, out-thought, and out-played, it is a tough station, and Galway did not have the physical power, or ball players, to compete with Mayo. However that will not be the case if, and when, Mayo face Kerry, or Dublin, or even Donegal or Monaghan.
A key concern for Mayo is this; Are they any better than last year? Or 2012? Are they any better equipped this year to beat Dublin if they get back to an All-Ireland final? Defensively they seem reasonable enough, although Paul Conroy did cause a lot of bother to Ger Cafferkey in the second half. But, the team's massive over-dependence on Cillian O'Connor in the full-forward line has to be a genuine worry for Mayo supporters. The Ballintubber man is the real "go-to player" now in the Mayo forward division, as evidenced by his eight points and two wonderful assists for Mayo's goals. However if a team stops him, who will Mayo turn to for crucial scores? If Dublin's Jonny Cooper or Rory O'Carroll nullified Cillian, where would Mayo look? Have Andy Moran or Alan Dillon the pace in their legs for the really top level at Croke Park? Michael Conroy and Alan Freeman both came on last weekend, but are either of them the solution in the white heat of an All-Ireland final? I expect Mayo to reach the semi-finals or even final again, however I do not see them winning Sam. Unfortunately, it looks like that ship has sailed.
What of Galway?
They have a have a date with Peter Creedon's Tipperary in Tullamore (7pm) on Saturday week. And it looks quite possible that the Tipperary footballers might do the same job on Galway as their hurlers did. The Galway forwards hit 16 points last weekend and that would win a lot of games, however, Galway's porous full-back line will not rectified by the Tipperary game. No doubt Alan Mulholland is hoping that Joss Moore will be back by then. In Conor Sweeney, Barry Grogan, and Philip Austin Tipperary have a full-forward line to make hay in there. Creedon was in Castlebar last Sunday to run the rule over Galway and he was quoted as saying; "We're going to take a bit of beating." And he was right. Galway did defeat them 1-12 to 0-11 last June in the first round of the qualifiers at Pearse Stadium, however, it will take a far superior performance than that one, to do so again.
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The following is Ray Silke column this week in The Advertiser. I don t always like to agree with Ray but I think he s on the money here.
Mayo far superior to Galway — but can they win Sam?
On the Mayo Advertiser vodcast last week - all four pundits went very strongly for a Mayo win in the Connacht final. John Casey of this parish even pushed his prediction out to a six point win for James Horan's men. Hence there was no real surprise last Sunday when Mayo proved once again that they are by far the best team in this province.
Roscommon are narrowing the gap, however Mayo are still the top dogs. They fully merited their four in a row of Connacht titles and it was nice to be at MacHale Park to see Andy Moran make history. The margin of victory was seven points, however, it could have been a good bit more, notwithstanding Robbie Hennelly's fine penalty save off Shane Walsh. I felt that Mayo could have got three more goals had their luck been in. They were denied a stonewall penalty at the start of the second half. Lee Keegan also made a bad effort at a goal, when he was in acres of space (again) and totally unmarked in front of Manus Breathnach, and his shot bombed off the crossbar for a point. And Kevin McLoughlin hit really tamely at Breathnach when he was one-on-one with him in the closing minutes too. All those could have been "Mayo majors" too, and had they hit the onion sack we would have been in the same territory as last year's trouncing in Salthill. Looking forward, and the warm glow of another Connacht title will lose its gloss quickly if Mayo cannot add another, and much more glamorous, trophy by late September.
Based on last weekend's performance, is that likely? No, is the most logical answer.
The difference in physical development, strength, and conditioning between Galway and Mayo was evident all over the field, and in close combat it was invariably a Mayo man who came out with the ball. When you are being totally out-muscled, out-paced, out-thought, and out-played, it is a tough station, and Galway did not have the physical power, or ball players, to compete with Mayo. However that will not be the case if, and when, Mayo face Kerry, or Dublin, or even Donegal or Monaghan.
A key concern for Mayo is this; Are they any better than last year? Or 2012? Are they any better equipped this year to beat Dublin if they get back to an All-Ireland final? Defensively they seem reasonable enough, although Paul Conroy did cause a lot of bother to Ger Cafferkey in the second half. But, the team's massive over-dependence on Cillian O'Connor in the full-forward line has to be a genuine worry for Mayo supporters. The Ballintubber man is the real "go-to player" now in the Mayo forward division, as evidenced by his eight points and two wonderful assists for Mayo's goals. However if a team stops him, who will Mayo turn to for crucial scores? If Dublin's Jonny Cooper or Rory O'Carroll nullified Cillian, where would Mayo look? Have Andy Moran or Alan Dillon the pace in their legs for the really top level at Croke Park? Michael Conroy and Alan Freeman both came on last weekend, but are either of them the solution in the white heat of an All-Ireland final? I expect Mayo to reach the semi-finals or even final again, however I do not see them winning Sam. Unfortunately, it looks like that ship has sailed.
What of Galway?
They have a have a date with Peter Creedon's Tipperary in Tullamore (7pm) on Saturday week. And it looks quite possible that the Tipperary footballers might do the same job on Galway as their hurlers did. The Galway forwards hit 16 points last weekend and that would win a lot of games, however, Galway's porous full-back line will not rectified by the Tipperary game. No doubt Alan Mulholland is hoping that Joss Moore will be back by then. In Conor Sweeney, Barry Grogan, and Philip Austin Tipperary have a full-forward line to make hay in there. Creedon was in Castlebar last Sunday to run the rule over Galway and he was quoted as saying; "We're going to take a bit of beating." And he was right. Galway did defeat them 1-12 to 0-11 last June in the first round of the qualifiers at Pearse Stadium, however, it will take a far superior performance than that one, to do so again.
I dislike Ray Silke more than Eugene McGee, Pat Spillane and.. well, no, even Silke isn't on Maughan's level :-X
I know Ray a bit and I ve always found him sound. Spillane I respect for what he achieved as a player. McGee is beneath contempt imo and I cant understand how most football people hold him in such high esteem.
Is there anything you don t like about the above piece by Ray?
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I know Ray a bit and I ve always found him sound. Spillane I respect for what he achieved as a player. McGee is beneath contempt imo and I cant understand how most football people hold him in such high esteem.
Is there anything you don t like about the above piece by Ray?
Silke is topped only by Sean Ban for lobbing bombs and barbs over the border at us. And ever since Brigids started wrecking Corofin's runs he's got worse. You could even see his attitude to Roscommon in A Year 'Til Sunday talking before the Connacht final replay. Doesn't respect Roscommon and we don't respect him in return.
Silke looks down his nose at Mayo (and Ros)! He quite enjoys Mayo's repeated forays to Croker without success. But that is only natural, we are rivals. And more importantly we are rival neighbours. I quite enjoy how much presently we are ahead of Galway. That is also natural. Galway have been the last decade or so looking down their nose at Mayo living off 98/01 and scoffing at us repeatedly falling short. Lines like we went there and finished the job off proper has been cast up to Many a Mayo supporter. Any time Mayo (or Ros or Sligo) beat Galway. Galway looked on this as a waste of a year and seen it almost as an entitlement that the red carpet should be laid out to let them get the job finished off proper. The last day at the Connacht final, a galway fan beside me said I hope it's a tight game, it will do Mayo the world of good to have a tight game. In the past i would have agreed. But the only team that a tight game would have suited on Sunday was Galway, it would have gave them confidence, we don't need confidence (not in Connacht anyway) and to be cruel you don't really care about your rival (really).
Only Galway play proper football (in the style of Kerry) we are constantly told. They are backed up by the lynch pins of Journalism (Magee, Spillane, O'Rourke, Breheney) to such a degree that the Myth of them being a fine football county is presently just that a Myth. But each year (like Arsenal) we get the youth talked up, the next terrible twins, the next great footballing side, the next set of unbelievable forwards. Meanwhile Mayo are still Mayo, Labeled as being Chokers, Labeled as not being able to win in Croke park, Labeled as not having players to get scores. Stereotypes stick hard in the GAA. If you are once known for something you are always known for that thing. A feck me trying to shake it off. Tyrone have done a decent job the last 10+ years to beat labels but there was still the begrudgers who just had to put them into the cynical category.
Back to Silke. He's a Galway man. He has no real cares for Mayo. He was worked in Castlebar for a while and that has probably made him not want Mayo (even more) to win Sam. That ok! That's rivalry!
Hon Mayo!
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Silke looks down his nose at Mayo (and Ros)! He quite enjoys Mayo's repeated forays to Croker without success. But that is only natural, we are rivals. And more importantly we are rival neighbours. I quite enjoy how much presently we are ahead of Galway. That is also natural. Galway have been the last decade or so looking down their nose at Mayo living off 98/01 and scoffing at us repeatedly falling short. Lines like we went there and finished the job off proper has been cast up to Many a Mayo supporter. Any time Mayo (or Ros or Sligo) beat Galway. Galway looked on this as a waste of a year and seen it almost as an entitlement that the red carpet should be laid out to let them get the job finished off proper. The last day at the Connacht final, a galway fan beside me said I hope it's a tight game, it will do Mayo the world of good to have a tight game. In the past i would have agreed. But the only team that a tight game would have suited on Sunday was Galway, it would have gave them confidence, we don't need confidence (not in Connacht anyway) and to be cruel you don't really care about your rival (really).
Only Galway play proper football (in the style of Kerry) we are constantly told. They are backed up by the lynch pins of Journalism (Magee, Spillane, O'Rourke, Breheney) to such a degree that the Myth of them being a fine football county is presently just that a Myth. But each year (like Arsenal) we get the youth talked up, the next terrible twins, the next great footballing side, the next set of unbelievable forwards. Meanwhile Mayo are still Mayo, Labeled as being Chokers, Labeled as not being able to win in Croke park, Labeled as not having players to get scores. Stereotypes stick hard in the GAA. If you are once known for something you are always known for that thing. A feck me trying to shake it off. Tyrone have done a decent job the last 10+ years to beat labels but there was still the begrudgers who just had to put them into the cynical category.
Back to Silke. He's a Galway man. He has no real cares for Mayo. He was worked in Castlebar for a while and that has probably made him not want Mayo (even more) to win Sam. That ok! That's rivalry!
Hon Mayo!
Good one Bunker. I was thinking similar.
After 15 minutes a pal in the group I was with remarked that there was little buzz or excitement. My response was 'good, and I hope it stays that way, if it gets exciting it means we re in trouble!'
Of course Ray want s us to fail down the road. I can understand that.
Unfortunately I agree with his conclusion about our likelyhood of winning Sam.
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Silke looks down his nose at Mayo (and Ros)! He quite enjoys Mayo's repeated forays to Croker without success. But that is only natural, we are rivals. And more importantly we are rival neighbours. I quite enjoy how much presently we are ahead of Galway. That is also natural. Galway have been the last decade or so looking down their nose at Mayo living off 98/01 and scoffing at us repeatedly falling short. Lines like we went there and finished the job off proper has been cast up to Many a Mayo supporter. Any time Mayo (or Ros or Sligo) beat Galway. Galway looked on this as a waste of a year and seen it almost as an entitlement that the red carpet should be laid out to let them get the job finished off proper. The last day at the Connacht final, a galway fan beside me said I hope it's a tight game, it will do Mayo the world of good to have a tight game. In the past i would have agreed. But the only team that a tight game would have suited on Sunday was Galway, it would have gave them confidence, we don't need confidence (not in Connacht anyway) and to be cruel you don't really care about your rival (really).
Only Galway play proper football (in the style of Kerry) we are constantly told. They are backed up by the lynch pins of Journalism (Magee, Spillane, O'Rourke, Breheney) to such a degree that the Myth of them being a fine football county is presently just that a Myth. But each year (like Arsenal) we get the youth talked up, the next terrible twins, the next great footballing side, the next set of unbelievable forwards. Meanwhile Mayo are still Mayo, Labeled as being Chokers, Labeled as not being able to win in Croke park, Labeled as not having players to get scores. Stereotypes stick hard in the GAA. If you are once known for something you are always known for that thing. A feck me trying to shake it off. Tyrone have done a decent job the last 10+ years to beat labels but there was still the begrudgers who just had to put them into the cynical category.
Back to Silke. He's a Galway man. He has no real cares for Mayo. He was worked in Castlebar for a while and that has probably made him not want Mayo (even more) to win Sam. That ok! That's rivalry!
Hon Mayo!
Good one Bunker. I was thinking similar.
After 15 minutes a pal in the group I was with remarked that there was little buzz or excitement. My response was 'good, and I hope it stays that way, if it gets exciting it means we re in trouble!'
Of course Ray want s us to fail down the road. I can understand that.
Unfortunately I agree with his conclusion about our likelyhood of winning Sam.
Ah, look we know the score, it would take an unbelievable effort to cross that line. But you cannot give up hope.
True. The Aido at 11 is a welcome development and gives us a different dimension imo. Doherty also had an impact from 12 wich is a boost too. I also think that we are more structured in hb line with Keegan having a free role to attact but Boyler and Vaughan having a more conservative role. I liked the way we were more deliberate about our own kickout placement while bullying the other kickout. Maybe it is possible to win the big pot without all these marquee forwards others have?
Good post Bunker.Somebody said to me at HT that wouldn't it be great if Galway got a few scores at the beginning of the second half and i said no it would not.Give me last years saunter thro Connacht and I will take it every time.I find Silke ok and I think he puts some thought into what he writes and we in Mayo might not always like what he has to say but he is entitled to his opinion.As for McGee I doubt he pays much attention to the games he is at going by his writings and to me it is one of the great mysteries of life how he is able to get paid for the rubbish he writes
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 18, 2014, 11:15:38 PM
Silke looks down his nose at Mayo (and Ros)! He quite enjoys Mayo's repeated forays to Croker without success. But that is only natural, we are rivals. And more importantly we are rival neighbours. I quite enjoy how much presently we are ahead of Galway. That is also natural. Galway have been the last decade or so looking down their nose at Mayo living off 98/01 and scoffing at us repeatedly falling short. Lines like we went there and finished the job off proper has been cast up to Many a Mayo supporter. Any time Mayo (or Ros or Sligo) beat Galway. Galway looked on this as a waste of a year and seen it almost as an entitlement that the red carpet should be laid out to let them get the job finished off proper. The last day at the Connacht final, a galway fan beside me said I hope it's a tight game, it will do Mayo the world of good to have a tight game. In the past i would have agreed. But the only team that a tight game would have suited on Sunday was Galway, it would have gave them confidence, we don't need confidence (not in Connacht anyway) and to be cruel you don't really care about your rival (really).
Only Galway play proper football (in the style of Kerry) we are constantly told. They are backed up by the lynch pins of Journalism (Magee, Spillane, O'Rourke, Breheney) to such a degree that the Myth of them being a fine football county is presently just that a Myth. But each year (like Arsenal) we get the youth talked up, the next terrible twins, the next great footballing side, the next set of unbelievable forwards. Meanwhile Mayo are still Mayo, Labeled as being Chokers, Labeled as not being able to win in Croke park, Labeled as not having players to get scores. Stereotypes stick hard in the GAA. If you are once known for something you are always known for that thing. A feck me trying to shake it off. Tyrone have done a decent job the last 10+ years to beat labels but there was still the begrudgers who just had to put them into the cynical category.
Back to Silke. He's a Galway man. He has no real cares for Mayo. He was worked in Castlebar for a while and that has probably made him not want Mayo (even more) to win Sam. That ok! That's rivalry!
Hon Mayo!
Listen if we can put up with David Brady's gombeenery ye can put up with Ray Silke. And Brady is the much more ubiquitous of the two.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 19, 2014, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 18, 2014, 11:15:38 PM
Silke looks down his nose at Mayo (and Ros)! He quite enjoys Mayo's repeated forays to Croker without success. But that is only natural, we are rivals. And more importantly we are rival neighbours. I quite enjoy how much presently we are ahead of Galway. That is also natural. Galway have been the last decade or so looking down their nose at Mayo living off 98/01 and scoffing at us repeatedly falling short. Lines like we went there and finished the job off proper has been cast up to Many a Mayo supporter. Any time Mayo (or Ros or Sligo) beat Galway. Galway looked on this as a waste of a year and seen it almost as an entitlement that the red carpet should be laid out to let them get the job finished off proper. The last day at the Connacht final, a galway fan beside me said I hope it's a tight game, it will do Mayo the world of good to have a tight game. In the past i would have agreed. But the only team that a tight game would have suited on Sunday was Galway, it would have gave them confidence, we don't need confidence (not in Connacht anyway) and to be cruel you don't really care about your rival (really).
Only Galway play proper football (in the style of Kerry) we are constantly told. They are backed up by the lynch pins of Journalism (Magee, Spillane, O'Rourke, Breheney) to such a degree that the Myth of them being a fine football county is presently just that a Myth. But each year (like Arsenal) we get the youth talked up, the next terrible twins, the next great footballing side, the next set of unbelievable forwards. Meanwhile Mayo are still Mayo, Labeled as being Chokers, Labeled as not being able to win in Croke park, Labeled as not having players to get scores. Stereotypes stick hard in the GAA. If you are once known for something you are always known for that thing. A feck me trying to shake it off. Tyrone have done a decent job the last 10+ years to beat labels but there was still the begrudgers who just had to put them into the cynical category.
Back to Silke. He's a Galway man. He has no real cares for Mayo. He was worked in Castlebar for a while and that has probably made him not want Mayo (even more) to win Sam. That ok! That's rivalry!
Hon Mayo!
Listen if we can put up with David Brady's gombeenery ye can put up with Ray Silke. And Brady is the much more ubiquitous of the two.
You'd think he'd put the boot into Mayo judging by a few of the reactions on here. Like so many people from Mayo his belief is they'll pull up short.
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
I don t think he s bitter. He s nothing to be bitter about. For a lad of his limited ability he maxed out captaining an AI team. While he was captaining Galway and winning AIs, he wouldn t have made a Mayo defence at that time. And 2 others wouldn t have either ...... ooops, sorry, I forgot about Pateen!
Of course he 'hates' Mayo. Who doesn t really? Sligo, Leitrim, Ros and Galway hate us. Major cities like London and NY probably do as well! It s a good thing.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2014, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
I don t think he s bitter. He s nothing to be bitter about. For a lad of his limited ability he maxed out captaining an AI team. While he was captaining Galway and winning AIs, he wouldn t have made a Mayo defence at that time. And 2 others wouldn t have either ...... ooops, sorry, I forgot about Pateen!
Of course he 'hates' Mayo. Who doesn t really? Sligo, Leitrim, Ros and Galway hate us. Major cities like London and NY probably do as well! It s a good thing.
Jaysus we all fairly get behind ye when ye make the yearly charge on the Bloody Gate that is Sam Maguire. It's starting to reflect on everyone else in Connacht at this stage. Connacht is a nice big family. I even saw young Alan Freeman at the match today. Roaring he was.
Anyways, the problem with Silke seems to be how negative he tends to be towards everyone else. It's like Eugene McGee with Mayo. Just not written on a beer mat.
TBH, I found nothing wrong with Silke's article. It has to be kept in mind that he sees things from a different perspective than I or most Mayo fans do.
I think he did a good, objective job of it even though I think Mayo pack more punch this year than in previous ones.
I won't accept that Mayo depends on Cillian O'Connor too much or that they are not better upfront than in 2013 or '12.
As I see it, Cillian is at long last starting to show his true form at long last. Last year he was banjaxed by injuries but if her stays injury-free he would be a top forward on any team in ther land. He's one reason why I think Mayo pack more clout than last year but that's not the only one.
Kevin Mac has regained his true form and he also rank up there with the best. Jason Doherty is flying and Aido made an impressive debut in the no. 11 spot. It's significant that four of the top performers on the day were forwards.
They might still not be good enough to win Sam but they ar better than they were in former years and that's where I part company with Silke.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2014, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
I don t think he s bitter. He s nothing to be bitter about. For a lad of his limited ability he maxed out captaining an AI team. While he was captaining Galway and winning AIs, he wouldn t have made a Mayo defence at that time. And 2 others wouldn t have either ...... ooops, sorry, I forgot about Pateen!
Of course he 'hates' Mayo. Who doesn t really? Sligo, Leitrim, Ros and Galway hate us. Major cities like London and NY probably do as well! It s a good thing.
Most people would like to see Mayo winning the thing at this stage. I agree about Silke, definitely overachieved in 98. But you take your chances.
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2014, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2014, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
I don t think he s bitter. He s nothing to be bitter about. For a lad of his limited ability he maxed out captaining an AI team. While he was captaining Galway and winning AIs, he wouldn t have made a Mayo defence at that time. And 2 others wouldn t have either ...... ooops, sorry, I forgot about Pateen!
Of course he 'hates' Mayo. Who doesn t really? Sligo, Leitrim, Ros and Galway hate us. Major cities like London and NY probably do as well! It s a good thing.
Most people would like to see Mayo winning the thing at this stage. I agree about Silke, definitely overachieved in 98. But you take your chances.
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I dont believe that to be true not that i care that much either , it was certainly true back in the nineties and maybe even for both Kerry losses in 04/06 but not now well definitely not as much anyway, a lot of neutrals are fed up with Mayo in a way. Thats the vibe i get anyway.
Quote from: Manning18 on July 01, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
Is the Qf draw not an open one? Four winners on one side, qualifiers on the other?
Nah, structured. Even the semi's are structured so that ye're meeting the winners of the other Munster vs Connacht QF.Potentially there could be a repeat of the connacht final in the semis!! Much more likely is a Mayo vs Kerry QF, and a Mayo/Kerry vs Cork Semi. No matter what happens, Mayo or even Galway for that matter cant meet Dublin or Donegal before the final
So it turns out the quarter finals are not structured, we cant meet Galway and Kerry cant meet cork but other than that we're good to go, if sligo and tipp go through its a draw
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2107140847-all-ireland-sfc-2014-what-happens-now/
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 22, 2014, 01:01:36 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on July 01, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on June 30, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 01:14:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2014, 01:08:08 AM
Quote from: Manning18 on June 29, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
Big job for Mulholland in the next couple of weeks. There should be as little pressure as possible on the Galway players shoulders heading into Castlebar. While a Connacht title would be amazing, real progress for this side is getting to an AI QF in Croker. Their most likely rote to that position by far is through the qualifiers, where at the very worst they'll be small outsiders against the toughest opposition they can get - Laois.
For this reason, the game in 2 weeks should be viewed as bonus territory. Give everything to win no question, but in the event of a loss (likely) there should be no player downbeat. Their biggest game of the year will still be ahead of them. Worst case scenario is a heartbraking loss to Mayo (Hammering or 1 point), and they go into the qualifier on a low ebb. This is where Mulholland must show his worth. Two cracks at the cherry
Yip. Both teams have a safety net here. Like we d like to do 4 in a row but lose it and we d might get a more sympathetic game after?
I'd be big into my betting/pricing etc and if Mayo we're beaten by Galway in 2 weeks, I certainly wouldnt be pushing out their AI price by much. It could serve as a wake up call, and the extra game (where mayo would be hot favs) could serve up a bit of momentum goin into the QF's. Either way, if both these sides make the QF, they'll be playing Cork or Kerry likely. Connacht winners vs Munster losers and visa versa. So provided the loser can get through the qualifier, winning the Connacht final mighnt serve any advatage at all, bar a Nestor cup at home
Is the Qf draw not an open one? Four winners on one side, qualifiers on the other?
Nah, structured. Even the semi's are structured so that ye're meeting the winners of the other Munster vs Connacht QF.Potentially there could be a repeat of the connacht final in the semis!! Much more likely is a Mayo vs Kerry QF, and a Mayo/Kerry vs Cork Semi. No matter what happens, Mayo or even Galway for that matter cant meet Dublin or Donegal before the final
So it turns out the quarter finals are not structured, we cant meet Galway and Kerry cant meet cork but other than that we're good to go, if sligo and tipp go through its a draw
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2107140847-all-ireland-sfc-2014-what-happens-now/
I told ye. A Roscommon man never lies.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 20, 2014, 11:58:44 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 20, 2014, 10:36:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2014, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 19, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
He puts the boot in on a regular basis.
Moysider he may be a sound lad but from anything I've ever heard out of his mouth he's a bitter mayo hating c**t
I don t think he s bitter. He s nothing to be bitter about. For a lad of his limited ability he maxed out captaining an AI team. While he was captaining Galway and winning AIs, he wouldn t have made a Mayo defence at that time. And 2 others wouldn t have either ...... ooops, sorry, I forgot about Pateen!
Of course he 'hates' Mayo. Who doesn t really? Sligo, Leitrim, Ros and Galway hate us. Major cities like London and NY probably do as well! It s a good thing.
Most people would like to see Mayo winning the thing at this stage. I agree about Silke, definitely overachieved in 98. But you take your chances.
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I dont believe that to be true not that i care that much either , it was certainly true back in the nineties and maybe even for both Kerry losses in 04/06 but not now well definitely not as much anyway, a lot of neutrals are fed up with Mayo in a way. Thats the vibe i get anyway.
Well this neutral would wish you'd hurry up and win it ;)