It is hard to believe it's 50 years since one of the most iconic/powerful speeches.
Listen and read the text of it.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm
But some things never change.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23827252
Jobs, voting rights and gun violence topped the concerns of many of those who marched to the Lincoln Memorial.
A magnificent speech that was a work in progress minutes before delivered to the masses.
MLK was a great man who had the vision, focus and intellect to drive his cause forward and he did so with class and dignity.
That no one has commented on this thread is a sad commentary on the apathy of society and people in general.
A speech that should never have had to be made .
Quote from: stew on August 25, 2013, 04:02:47 PM
That no one has commented on this thread is a sad commentary on the apathy of society and people in general.
True. Then again most of the posters here were caught up in an oul football match today.
We could badly do with someone in power having Mr King's vision and intellect today.
Then again someone like that would long since have been sidelined in the Kutehoor politics and society we've now got.
Apparently he ad libbed the I Have a Dream stuff at the end at the prompting of Mahalia Jackson. He had done it in previous speeches, but it was not in the prepared draft.
Inspirational stuff from one of the greatest American leaders ever! However, it still disturbs me that such a speech and the movement it represented was so necessary so recently in US history.
QuoteMLK was a great man who had the vision, focus and intellect to drive his cause forward and he did so with class and dignity.
Stew summed it up perfectly for me there.
He used the "power of three" several times in the speech so effectively. I have a dream; With this faith; We will never be satisfied; Go back to... Such a powerful piece that should be taught in every school and be abbreviated in posters in every office and factory.
BBC Radio 4 has a commemorative programme on Wednesday at 9am if you're interested.
And it was a "dream" .50 years on young black american men are 3% of the population in the states but are guilty of 60% of the crimes committed and 50% of the murders committed. Sadly mlk was way off the mark.
When i listen to this speech i think 'bait car'
Jkfs no larger nation speech is something else
A magnificent speech. Incredible dignity.
Now israel runs Jim Crow. Same shite as 50 years ago in alabama.
The sad thing is that Jim Crow is alive, well and thriving today in the States as exemplified by the systematic attempts by states and jurisdictions throughout the country to disenfranchise black voters. Even before the Supreme Court saw fit to dismantle the Voting Rights Act, there had been unabashed attempts to submarine the democratic process through gerrymandering and other tactics in states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and many more.
Then, in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's decision, a number of states, most notably Texas and North Carolina, took only a matter of hours to enact overtly discriminatory measures to deny blacks the vote. A good example occurred in Boone, NC, home of Appalachian State University, a largely black college. The state removed the voting center from ASU, requiring students to travel miles to vote, also eliminating other nearby polling centers. Though the state legislates that each precinct should accommodate no more than 1,500 voters, the newly appointed voting center for ASU is intended to handle over 9,000 voters, a venue that has no more than 36 parking spaces. In addition, voters are required to show state-issued ID cards, except that university-issued student ID cards are not valid, even though ASU is a state university. Strangely, though, permission to carry concealed weapons cards are acceptable.
There are many more examples worthy of a new civil rights movement.
Earlier, J70 mentioned Mahalia Jackson's influence on MLK, whose rendition of "We Shall Overcome" is as good as any:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmR1YvfIGng
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
I watched the full speech again today on youtube.
Still puts shivers down my spine.
Heard someone on the radio this morning saying that more people should be like MLK in their beliefs.
But I could believe in a fair and peaceful Ireland united once again. But I might as well be talking to the wall.
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Lots of Brits I meet over in UK think most of what Irish people say happened under London rule is exaggerated or made up. Bascially the Irish had a famine, no way Britain's fault, Britain provided them refuge sure and they still moaned. Ungrateful Irish fought a war or something and some of it may or may not be in the UK, sure who could be sure. Irish fought alongside the Nazi's in WW2. IRA bombed Britain out of nowhere for no reason just coz the Irish are a bit thick. Irish history according the the vast majority of U.K. folk. Much worse interpretation if they have any Orange loyalties.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on August 28, 2013, 05:17:05 PM
I watched the full speech again today on youtube.
Still puts shivers down my spine.
+1
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Satire surely?!
That piece is worthy of The Onion!
Quote from: J70 on August 28, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Satire surely?!
That piece is worthy of The Onion!
If you look at the other stories it's an Onion type site.
Given the turn this thread has taken....
http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/the-35-best-times-someone-on-facebook-thought-the-onion-was-real/ (http://thoughtcatalog.com/2013/the-35-best-times-someone-on-facebook-thought-the-onion-was-real/)
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2013, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Lots of Brits I meet over in UK think most of what Irish people say happened under London rule is exaggerated or made up. Bascially the Irish had a famine, no way Britain's fault, Britain provided them refuge sure and they still moaned. Ungrateful Irish fought a war or something and some of it may or may not be in the UK, sure who could be sure. Irish fought alongside the Nazi's in WW2. IRA bombed Britain out of nowhere for no reason just coz the Irish are a bit thick. Irish history according the the vast majority of U.K. folk. Much worse interpretation if they have any Orange loyalties.
I completely disagree with this. My experience in England was that the majority hadn't a clue what the Irish question was all about, and most of the people who did have an opinion one way or another on the matter felt that the north should be "given back to the south" because they're fed up hearing about it on their evening news. That's how it was on the North of England anyway. In my dealings with southerners I got a bit more of the "thick paddy" attitude, but then southerners tend to look down their noses at anyone outside the "home counties" anyway, including their fellow English.
In Wales you find plenty of sympathy and not a little admiration for Ireland's efforts to shake off English domination.
In Scotland there's plenty of pro-Irish sentiment, especially where it lines up with their own independence aspirations.
I always find it interesting how the Americans revere the art of oratory. You see it in a lot of Hollywood films, where the hero saves the day by making a rousing speech while the camera orbits around him and music builds up to a crescendo just as the audience bursts into screaming applause. I suppose it's what happens when you have country founded on ideas rather than a religion or ethnicity.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 29, 2013, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on August 28, 2013, 07:10:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Lots of Brits I meet over in UK think most of what Irish people say happened under London rule is exaggerated or made up. Bascially the Irish had a famine, no way Britain's fault, Britain provided them refuge sure and they still moaned. Ungrateful Irish fought a war or something and some of it may or may not be in the UK, sure who could be sure. Irish fought alongside the Nazi's in WW2. IRA bombed Britain out of nowhere for no reason just coz the Irish are a bit thick. Irish history according the the vast majority of U.K. folk. Much worse interpretation if they have any Orange loyalties.
I completely disagree with this. My experience in England was that the majority hadn't a clue what the Irish question was all about, and most of the people who did have an opinion one way or another on the matter felt that the north should be "given back to the south" because they're fed up hearing about it on their evening news. That's how it was on the North of England anyway. In my dealings with southerners I got a bit more of the "thick paddy" attitude, but then southerners tend to look down their noses at anyone outside the "home counties" anyway, including their fellow English.
In Wales you find plenty of sympathy and not a little admiration for Ireland's efforts to shake off English domination.
In Scotland there's plenty of pro-Irish sentiment, especially where it lines up with their own independence aspirations.
I am with Eamonn on this one. In all my time living in England (Manchester mainly) the main opinion I got from English people was NI was Irish, part of Ireland so give it back to Ireland. Most couldnt understand why Britain was still in NI. I cant recall ever having a conversation about the Famine or Irishmen fighting with the Nazis - or indeed Irishmen fighting with the British Army - in WWII. Most English people just wouldnt have any knowledge about those kind of things.
Many people said to me that the IRA did Manchester a favour by blowing up the city centre in 1996 as it meant the city centre had to be regenerated. Stand up comedians used to make jokes about that.
Quote from: tyssam5 on August 29, 2013, 12:13:52 AM
Quote from: J70 on August 28, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: muppet on August 28, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
Posted this already on another thread but it fits nicely here:
http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/ (http://www.newslo.com/texas-board-of-education-revises-textbooks-slaves-were-unpaid-interns/)
QuoteIn Texas, students will now be taught that slaves were not kidnapped and exploited against their will, but were actually "unpaid interns."
I wonder how we would react if somewhere in Britain schools taught: The Famine didn't happen, the Irish were merely anorexic.
Satire surely?!
That piece is worthy of The Onion!
If you look at the other stories it's an Onion type site.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/16/texas-schools-rewrites-us-history (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/16/texas-schools-rewrites-us-history)
QuoteThe education board has dropped references to the slave trade in favour of calling it the more innocuous "Atlantic triangular trade",