Believe it or not, as Tipperary and Kilkenny battle for league honours down in Nowlan Park, Westmeath and Antrim will be kicking off the Championship in Mullingar at the same time. Not sure why, or what the urgency is. Must be a bit down-heartening for the players to be honest.
Should be a tight game really, Westmeath always have hurlers, and Antrim will be confident having hurled competitively at 1B level this year. Antrim should have enough you'd think, but I have a sneaky suspicion that Westmeath may take them.
Can't see it this year AZ. Failed to get out of 2A again. Beaten by Kerry and then Laois in the decider. They seem to be having the typical second season after making some progress last year, regression. There is an open night for both codes on Friday week by which time the hurlers will probably be out of Leinster. ::) At least we have the game in the park so that gives us a chance I suppose.
Crazy disrespect for Westmeath and Antrim to have them playing championship before the end of the League. Show's that the powers that be are trying to get the also rans out of the way early in the year!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 30, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
Crazy disrespect for Westmeath and Antrim to have them playing championship before the end of the League. Show's that the powers that be are trying to get the also rans out of the way early in the year!
You're not surprised are you?
We'll be told a few weeks later that the championship has started when in all reality it starts this weekend.
How will the results go today Johnny? Kerry are a decent second tier team the rest should go to form, Derry game will be tight but home advantage should get them through
Good win for Warwickshire over Longford yesterday in the Lory Meagher. Next up Fermanagh.
Good win for Antrim today. Next up is Laois which is winnable then the winners of Carlow/London which is winnable then Galway which isn't.
even more crazy that the Antrim v Westmeath game was on at almost the same time as the league final
They have no other option than to put their heads down and get on with it. Hopefully if Antrim put in a few big weeks they may have people questioning the decision to try and get this game run off as quickly as possible.
Westmeath gave Galway a good game last year. Did they fall back a bit over the year?
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westmeath gave Galway a good game last year. Did they fall back a bit over the year?
I thought it was 2 years ago.
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 06, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westmeath gave Galway a good game last year. Did they fall back a bit over the year?
I thought it was 2 years ago.
2012 Qtr-final – Galway 5-18 Westmeath 4-13, Mullingar
Semi-final – Galway 5-23 Offaly 3-15, Portlaoise
I suppose the big questions are
1 Will Tipp come back to the required level after last year ?
2 Have Galway got a few more scoring forwards ?
3 Is anyone else going to step up ?
I see 'Plain Daft' referred to this through the medium of the Cyril Farrell column. The reason for the earlier start is because of all the waifs and strays who have landed into Leinster in recent years. All at 'Plain Daft's' request too. But then again, 'Plain Daft' likes his bread buttered on all sides. Without Antrim, London and Galway, the Leinster Championship wouldn't have to commence for another four weeks. Or maybe 'Plain Daft' would like to see Carlow, Westmeath, Laois and Offaly excluded from the Leinster Championship to suit the imports.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 30, 2013, 05:13:26 PM
Crazy disrespect for Westmeath and Antrim to have them playing championship before the end of the League. Show's that the powers that be are trying to get the also rans out of the way early in the year!
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 03:33:01 PM
I suppose the big questions are
1 Will Tipp come back to the required level after last year ?
2 Have Galway got a few more scoring forwards ?
3 Is anyone else going to step up ?
1 Maybe, but failings from '11 final resurfaced on Sunday. When pressure was really on, their forwards, Kelly, Corbett, Callinan, Bonnar Maher, couldn't deliver. Tipp' can't hope they meet compliant teams such as Galway at every stage of the c'ship.
2 No, and the malaise is also in 3, 6, 8, 9. Unless management show a step-change in team selection and greater variation in tactics, (and not just in playing 3 around midfield), another long spell in oblivion beckons.
3 Maybe Clare. The rest, I'm afraid not. Perhaps a wet day might derail KK.
Quote from: mouview on May 06, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 03:33:01 PM
I suppose the big questions are
1 Will Tipp come back to the required level after last year ?
2 Have Galway got a few more scoring forwards ?
3 Is anyone else going to step up ?
1 Maybe, but failings from '11 final resurfaced on Sunday. When pressure was really on, their forwards, Kelly, Corbett, Callinan, Bonnar Maher, couldn't deliver. Tipp' can't hope they meet compliant teams such as Galway at every stage of the c'ship.
2 No, and the malaise is also in 3, 6, 8, 9. Unless management show a step-change in team selection and greater variation in tactics, (and not just in playing 3 around midfield), another long spell in oblivion beckons.
3 Maybe Clare. The rest, I'm afraid not. Perhaps a wet day might derail KK.
Tipp will rack up big scores against lesser opposition, but the Kilkenny backs have the measure of them and if they meet again Kilkenny will prevail. Tipps only hope is if someone else knocks Kilkenny out before they meet, not likely unless Kilkenny have a mare in the AI-semi-final and have no way back.
Galway have tried to sort out 3 and 6 in their defence and it doesn't look to have worked. One thing of note from sunday is that the Kilkenny defence don't place great emphasis on the type of ball they play into their forwards, they pump it long and high and expect their forwards to win their own ball, which more often than not they do.
Galway prevented them from doing this in the Leinster final last year and were first around the breaking ball, they weren't as successful at this in the two AI finals with Shefflin catching ball from Regan, big Walsh also catching to get the scores they needed. easier said that done stopping them, but Galway had the right plan, Kilkenny adapted to overcome, Cunningham needs to fine tune again but to keep the powder dry later than a Leinster final. It's not beyond them, but getting the big performances out of Galway two years on the bounce has been a problem in Galway since the late 80's.
Of the others Waterford and Clare are probably just a bit ahead of Dublin, Limerick and Cork, Clare impressed me in their league meeting with Kilkenny but still need to get the low balls into the corners quicker and not get caught in possession with the passing game out of defence which has proved costly to them in the past. They may still have a problem in fullback as well.
Have a feeling that the only way KK will be beaten is with pure youthful exuberance. Honestly think either Clare or Waterford can take them this year............... in CP on a warm day tbh.
Galway/ Tipperary imvho have too many lads who are "hot and Cold" to be able to beat KK.
Still you would have to go for KK given the quality of the players recently brought in to the team to bolster it.
Big call for KK to make as to whether Shefflin will get back in the team ahead of Power, Walsh etc who missed the league final win also.
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 06, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westmeath gave Galway a good game last year. Did they fall back a bit over the year?
I thought it was 2 years ago.
2012 Qtr-final – Galway 5-18 Westmeath 4-13, Mullingar
Semi-final – Galway 5-23 Offaly 3-15, Portlaoise
Right ya are seafoid. It just goes to show again how prematurely pessimistic some of us are getting about our chances this year when the build to last year's Leinster final was a lot more worrying, apart from the good win over Offaly. We might be a different team come the summer. We were last year.
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 07, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 06, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Westmeath gave Galway a good game last year. Did they fall back a bit over the year?
I thought it was 2 years ago.
2012 Qtr-final – Galway 5-18 Westmeath 4-13, Mullingar
Semi-final – Galway 5-23 Offaly 3-15, Portlaoise
Right ya are seafoid. It just goes to show again how prematurely pessimistic some of us are getting about our chances this year when the build to last year's Leinster final was a lot more worrying, apart from the good win over Offaly. We might be a different team come the summer. We were last year.
I think the team in charge are more diligent than their predecessors. I don't think it'll be 2006 redux. Feicimid.
"Big call for KK to make as to whether Shefflin will get back in the team ahead of Power, Walsh etc who missed the league final win also."
The above post us a pisstake right?? Shefflin will always be in the kk championship team!! Always!!he hasn't missed one yet other than through injury!!
Quote from: cicfada on May 07, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
"Big call for KK to make as to whether Shefflin will get back in the team ahead of Power, Walsh etc who missed the league final win also."
The above post us a pisstake right?? Shefflin will always be in the kk championship team!! Always!!he hasn't missed one yet other than through injury!!
Agreed
Quote from: cicfada on May 07, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
"Big call for KK to make as to whether Shefflin will get back in the team ahead of Power, Walsh etc who missed the league final win also."
The above post us a pisstake right?? Shefflin will always be in the kk championship team!! Always!!he hasn't missed one yet other than through injury!!
As age and injuries take their toll on Henry, I think he'll be used more sparingly in the years to come, with more substitutes appearances etc to prolong his usefulness to Kilkenny and Cody. He'll probably not start in the Leinster championship and kept in cotton wool until the semi-final stages.
The darling DJ was moved along by Cody, but you get the impression Cody holds Shefflin in extremely high regard and rightly so, he's pulled them out of some holes in his time. Great hurler and leader of the team even if he's not taking the toss at the start of the game.
I see 'Plain Daft' didn't let me down. He's rabbiting about the early start in today's rag (see link). If he read this thread he'd know the answer. But then he's plain daft, isn't he?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lakesiders-almost-high-and-dry-29250093.html
And I see this piece is posted in the 'Gaelic Football' section of the Rag's site. Qualiteeee!
Was there any real point in that article? I mean he started talking about one point and then just stopped and put in a quote. Looked like something written just to pick up a check. TBH the examiner has by far the best hurling articles of the national papers. but even at that some of these forums have much better analysis once you trail through the bickering.
Good luck to the Warwickshire hurler's in their bid to reach the final of the Lory Meagher. They play Leitrim on Saturday and at Pairc Na hEirehann and if they win will play in Croke Park on the 8th of June.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0516/450744-preview-leinster-senior-hurling-championship/
"It is nine years since Offaly last appeared in a provincial decider, losing to Wexford in 2004 and you have to go back to 1995 since they bettered the Cats in Leinster."
I hope to f**k Kilkenny stop/get sick of it/are stopped at some stage. It is not good for hurling when Offaly win nothing in almost 20 years.
We won an all Ireland in 1998. That's only 15 years!
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2013, 11:30:54 AM
We won an all Ireland in 1998. That's only 15 years!
thank god for that. But the leinster form is poor enough. I suppoe wexford wouldn't be much different in the cody years. 98 was the last all ireland before the old firm resumed normal service as well.
Michael fennelly this evening in club match . Ankle injury and its fairly serious apparantly. A potential big loss for cats.
Antrim V Laois on here, http://www.midlands103.com/custom/api/radio.player.php
Tony Baloney,Minder, Hardstation, Milltown Row2...
Your boys took one hell of a beating....
There aren't too many leaders on that Antrim team when things start to go against them.
Quote from: laoislad on May 18, 2013, 11:24:34 PM
Tony Baloney,Minder, Hardstation, Milltown Row2...
Your boys took one hell of a beating....
Sounded handy for your chaps at the end.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 18, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 18, 2013, 11:24:34 PM
Tony Baloney,Minder, Hardstation, Milltown Row2...
Your boys took one hell of a beating....
Sounded handy for your chaps at the end.
Kilkenny should be worried.
Quote from: laoislad on May 19, 2013, 12:02:38 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 18, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 18, 2013, 11:24:34 PM
Tony Baloney,Minder, Hardstation, Milltown Row2...
Your boys took one hell of a beating....
Sounded handy for your chaps at the end.
Kilkenny should be worried.
Well Carlow for starters, Galway you gave a scare to few years ago so....
Quote from: hardstation on May 18, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Sure did. Surprised yer man didn't have a go with the late penalty to really stuff us.
Laois used to be handy enough and never lacked effort or pyhsique but seemed to be in turmoil with clubs battering the heads of each other once in a while which hardly augured well for harmony in a county team.
The new manager seems to have them moving in the right direction and they might give an Offaly or Wexford their fill of it, but would come up short against Dublin, Galway or Kilkenny, but then again most would.
As for Antrim teams, barring Dinnys first reign in charge they go out and play as individuals and not as a team. They've some very good individuals, but that won't cut it against better opposition, but TBH I'd have expected them to get over Laois who after all were playing in Div2 this year.
Disappointing result and a long wait for the qualifiers and for internal club wounds to fester away in the meantime. Kevin Ryan will be doing well to keep everything going as this is the time of year it normally falls apart for Antrim.
Down goalkeeper S Keith is what to the former great Down goalkeeper of the same surname?
He's his son.
The first big match of the championship is this Sunday between Waterford and Clare. It'll be the 3rd time in 4 years we've met in Munster championship and all have been close games with Waterford narrowly winning the last 2. I'd expect a similar close game on Sunday. Waterford seem to be playing more traditional hurling under Michael Ryan where Clare under Davy Fitzgerald seem to be more tactical and defensive. Waterford's lack of goals is a concern as we failed to score goals in last 2 championship matches last year and again lacked goals in the league. If we can get a goal or 2 we could edge it.
Quote from: waterfordlad on May 28, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
The first big match of the championship is this Sunday between Waterford and Clare. It'll be the 3rd time in 4 years we've met in Munster championship and all have been close games with Waterford narrowly winning the last 2. I'd expect a similar close game on Sunday. Waterford seem to be playing more traditional hurling under Michael Ryan where Clare under Davy Fitzgerald seem to be more tactical and defensive. Waterford's lack of goals is a concern as we failed to score goals in last 2 championship matches last year and again lacked goals in the league. If we can get a goal or 2 we could edge it.
Firstly as someone who used to love going down to Munster championship games before the back door was introduced (IIRC there was a period where only the Munster final losers got into a quarterfinal for a while as well with the Leinster losers, Galway and the Ulster winners) these games have lost their bite a good bit and it'll show a bit on Sunday.
That aside, both Waterfords and Clares only real chance of silverware is the Munster cup so maybe they'll give it a proper lash, and with Clare building a new team and style of play Waterfords greater quality up the middle in particular Brick Walsh may just see them through. I'd expect him to sweep up in front of Davy's two man fullforward line, but the Waterford forwards will need to help in the defensive effort by preventing the Clare passing game out of defence from getting going.
Is Molumpy on army duty or something or other?
Quote from: johnneycool on May 29, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: waterfordlad on May 28, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
The first big match of the championship is this Sunday between Waterford and Clare. It'll be the 3rd time in 4 years we've met in Munster championship and all have been close games with Waterford narrowly winning the last 2. I'd expect a similar close game on Sunday. Waterford seem to be playing more traditional hurling under Michael Ryan where Clare under Davy Fitzgerald seem to be more tactical and defensive. Waterford's lack of goals is a concern as we failed to score goals in last 2 championship matches last year and again lacked goals in the league. If we can get a goal or 2 we could edge it.
Firstly as someone who used to love going down to Munster championship games before the back door was introduced (IIRC there was a period where only the Munster final losers got into a quarterfinal for a while as well with the Leinster losers, Galway and the Ulster winners) these games have lost their bite a good bit and it'll show a bit on Sunday.
That aside, both Waterfords and Clares only real chance of silverware is the Munster cup so maybe they'll give it a proper lash, and with Clare building a new team and style of play Waterfords greater quality up the middle in particular Brick Walsh may just see them through. I'd expect him to sweep up in front of Davy's two man fullforward line, but the Waterford forwards will need to help in the defensive effort by preventing the Clare passing game out of defence from getting going.
Is Molumpy on army duty or something or other?
Disagree with you there a tad. Clare or Waterford have an outside chance imvho of winning the AI this year. Not saying they will ,but they are in with a shout..................... especially Clare who can take out any team with pure youthful exuberance and pace/ skill.
Quote from: Canalman on May 29, 2013, 12:10:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 29, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: waterfordlad on May 28, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
The first big match of the championship is this Sunday between Waterford and Clare. It'll be the 3rd time in 4 years we've met in Munster championship and all have been close games with Waterford narrowly winning the last 2. I'd expect a similar close game on Sunday. Waterford seem to be playing more traditional hurling under Michael Ryan where Clare under Davy Fitzgerald seem to be more tactical and defensive. Waterford's lack of goals is a concern as we failed to score goals in last 2 championship matches last year and again lacked goals in the league. If we can get a goal or 2 we could edge it.
Firstly as someone who used to love going down to Munster championship games before the back door was introduced (IIRC there was a period where only the Munster final losers got into a quarterfinal for a while as well with the Leinster losers, Galway and the Ulster winners) these games have lost their bite a good bit and it'll show a bit on Sunday.
That aside, both Waterfords and Clares only real chance of silverware is the Munster cup so maybe they'll give it a proper lash, and with Clare building a new team and style of play Waterfords greater quality up the middle in particular Brick Walsh may just see them through. I'd expect him to sweep up in front of Davy's two man fullforward line, but the Waterford forwards will need to help in the defensive effort by preventing the Clare passing game out of defence from getting going.
Is Molumpy on army duty or something or other?
Disagree with you there a tad. Clare or Waterford have an outside chance imvho of winning the AI this year. Not saying they will ,but they are in with a shout..................... especially Clare who can take out any team with pure youthful exuberance and pace/ skill.
either with a bit of luck could upset a Tipp, Galway (who knows what Galway will appear this year??)or Kilkenny even on a given day, but they couldn't repeat that the next day out.
Tipp are probably slight favourites for the Munster championship, but IMO if they are to have a bad day then it'll be in Munster, hence my opinion that its both their best bet for silverware. If Tipp are in the backdoor or quarter final stage it'd be hard to see either Waterford or Clare beat them.
Beating Kilkenny should only be reserved for the knockout stages which is where Clare or Waterford can meet them. It's not impossible but you'd get long odds from the bookies on it happening.
Clares youthful exuberance/wild abandon would need directed in the proper manner and historically they'd get a man or two sent off for such activities, similar to Waterford before the McCarthy era, ala Noel Crowley, great hurler but a lunatic.
Quote from: Canalman on May 29, 2013, 12:10:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 29, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: waterfordlad on May 28, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
The first big match of the championship is this Sunday between Waterford and Clare. It'll be the 3rd time in 4 years we've met in Munster championship and all have been close games with Waterford narrowly winning the last 2. I'd expect a similar close game on Sunday. Waterford seem to be playing more traditional hurling under Michael Ryan where Clare under Davy Fitzgerald seem to be more tactical and defensive. Waterford's lack of goals is a concern as we failed to score goals in last 2 championship matches last year and again lacked goals in the league. If we can get a goal or 2 we could edge it.
Firstly as someone who used to love going down to Munster championship games before the back door was introduced (IIRC there was a period where only the Munster final losers got into a quarterfinal for a while as well with the Leinster losers, Galway and the Ulster winners) these games have lost their bite a good bit and it'll show a bit on Sunday.
That aside, both Waterfords and Clares only real chance of silverware is the Munster cup so maybe they'll give it a proper lash, and with Clare building a new team and style of play Waterfords greater quality up the middle in particular Brick Walsh may just see them through. I'd expect him to sweep up in front of Davy's two man fullforward line, but the Waterford forwards will need to help in the defensive effort by preventing the Clare passing game out of defence from getting going.
Is Molumpy on army duty or something or other?
Disagree with you there a tad. Clare or Waterford have an outside chance imvho of winning the AI this year. Not saying they will ,but they are in with a shout..................... especially Clare who can take out any team with pure youthful exuberance and pace/ skill.
Not even if you combined both teams and give them a go at it would they win an All Ireland. Neither has the fire power to compete with any of the top three, either of them could beat Cork at the moment but that is as far as they will go.
Davy building a nice wee team, but to be honest that short passing possession type stuff will break down against the better teams, because their forwards tackle every bit as hard as their defenders. This makes it nigh on impossible to work the ball out under that type of pressure constantly.
From the Irish Times:
Waterford will hand Championship debuts to three players in Sunday's Munster SHC quarter-final against Clare in Thurles, including two in the full-forward line.
Jamie Barron of Fourmilewater and De La Salle's Jake Dillon fill the corner forward roles and are among five under-21 players named in the starting line-up by manager Michael Ryan.
Lismore's Paudie Prendergast is the other debutant, slotting in at left wing back.
Goalkeeper Ian O'Regan makes a return to the side for the first time since 2004.
WATERFORD (SH v Clare, Semple Stadium, Sunday, 4.0pm): I O'Regan; D Fives, L Lawlor, N Connors; J Nagle, M Walsh, P Prendergast; S O'Sullivan, K Moran (capt); M Shanahan, S Prendergast, B O'Halloran; J Barron, P Mahony, J Dillon.
Yeah Molumphy is abroad a lot on army duty so not involved this year and a big loss. It's not often a players goes 9 years between championship games like Ian O'Regan but he deserves his chance again.
Quote from: waterfordlad on May 30, 2013, 08:06:24 AM
Yeah Molumphy is abroad a lot on army duty so not involved this year and a big loss. It's not often a players goes 9 years between championship games like Ian O'Regan but he deserves his chance again.
What happened the young lad who was in nets for the U-21's a few years back and had a huge puck on him?
He looked handy.
Quote from: johnneycool on May 30, 2013, 08:34:52 AM
What happened the young lad who was in nets for the U-21's a few years back and had a huge puck on him?
He looked handy.
Last time I checked, Adrian Power was out Stateside (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/hospital-pass/powers-box-of-hat-tricks-and-a-spot-of-silage-cutting-for-becks-0026380-1). Either way, he's had no involvement this year in the county panel.
11 point win for Laois today over the fruit pastilles.
I thought the Deise would do better.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2013, 05:29:38 PM
I thought the Deise would do better.
Strange game,
Clare came out of the blocks in the first 10 minutes, rattled off 4 points without Waterford getting a touch off the ball, Deise got a goal and then bossed the remainder of the first half and looked too dominant to lose, but alas wee Davy worked his measured magic at half time and got them going again to pull away in the end. Waterford looked the better team, but just didn't turn up after half time.
Clare seemed up for it more, but their insistence on the passing game cost them the goal for sure as the pass wasn't on, it needed distance from inside your own 14 yard line, utter madness on the centre backs part. The short sidelines looked silly and I think a lot of the Waterford support thought they were illegal, my take on it is that as long as your 13 metres away when its struck you can then move towards it similar to lads collecting short puck outs inside their own 20 metre line.
Was still a bit flat even if the Clare lads were roaring at every won free, sideline or whatever.
Ultimately the "over emphasis" on keeping possession is showing a lack of confidence in his sides ability to win their own ball. Maybe its the right thing to do for this team but it isn't nice to look at. Waterford look rudderless at the minute
Quote from: theskull1 on June 03, 2013, 10:34:39 AM
Ultimately the "over emphasis" on keeping possession is showing a lack of confidence in his sides ability to win their own ball. Maybe its the right thing to do for this team but it isn't nice to look at. Waterford look rudderless at the minute
Did it look to you like a possession type game? To me it didn't, they seemed to be under so much pressure by a poor Waterford team that they weren't able to impose that style on the game.
Yes they worked a few sidelines, but a good majority of the teams are looking to do this, maybe not just as short as Clare but they all try to work it into an advantageous position for their team mate.
We've got serious problem up front. The backs gave us a platform to win that game easily, but when the forwards failed to take it the heads went down and Clare battered us into submission. I can't think of anyone who would have made a difference to the attack . . . usual overwrought one-eyed analysis here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/06/03/waterford-1-15-18-clare-2-20-26/).
Quote from: NAG1 on June 03, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on June 03, 2013, 10:34:39 AM
Ultimately the "over emphasis" on keeping possession is showing a lack of confidence in his sides ability to win their own ball. Maybe its the right thing to do for this team but it isn't nice to look at. Waterford look rudderless at the minute
Did it look to you like a possession type game? To me it didn't, they seemed to be under so much pressure by a poor Waterford team that they weren't able to impose that style on the game.
Yes they worked a few sidelines, but a good majority of the teams are looking to do this, maybe not just as short as Clare but they all try to work it into an advantageous position for their team mate.
I'm all on for a possession type game, but if you revert to short passes where the receiver is in as much bother as you then its futile. Firstly the pass has to be on and it then has to be advantageous to the receiver, if its not on, give it distance especially when in your own half where a loss of possession more often than not will result in a score for the opposition.
Some of the Clare lads are hell bent on getting a pass away and causing themselves problems, granted they are a young team, nerves and uncertainty of the tactics leads to more mistakes, but they'll get crucified by the better teams for some of the stuff they tried yesterday. They play a two man fullforward line with speedsters in Honan and the McGrath, they'll work of fast balls into the spaces around them the very best and in the league games against Kilkenny they go rewards from it.
In all fairness they weren't as bad at the passing through the defence as they had been in the league games I saw them play, so maybe they have tweaked it slightly, but in the middle of the first half they weren't winning any aerial ball in the middle third apart from Conlon and hence the introduction of the 'mullocker' (Deiseach's words) Duggan to win ball, which he was partly successful at.
Davy's won his first Munster championship game with Clare and will be confident of getting one over on Cork, which he should do, but as an old scribe I met years ago in thurles pointed out to me, Clare will be hoping to win, Cork will be expecting to win.
Waterford can lick their wounds, get the journo's to seek Mullane's return and gradually build in the qualifiers for a crack at a semi-final spot later on in the year, all is not lost yet for Ryan.
Quote from: deiseach on June 03, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
We've got serious problem up front. The backs gave us a platform to win that game easily, but when the forwards failed to take it the heads went down and Clare battered us into submission. I can't think of anyone who would have made a difference to the attack . . . usual overwrought one-eyed analysis here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/06/03/waterford-1-15-18-clare-2-20-26/).
Good report but for the mishit Maurice Shanahan free the ball came to Seamus Prendergast (not O'Brien) when he shot over and should have got a goal. I was right behind it on the terrace and couldn't believe the net didn't shake and I think our last chance of getting back into game was gone.
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 04, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
Good report but for the mishit Maurice Shanahan free the ball came to Seamus Prendergast (not O'Brien) when he shot over and should have got a goal. I was right behind it on the terrace and couldn't believe the net didn't shake and I think our last chance of getting back into game was gone.
Fair enough, I was a long way from it. Would have been a right sickener for Clare had that gone in!
Edit: I've updated it. And I don't think everyone agrees (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/06/03/waterford-1-15-18-clare-2-20-26/#comment-23256) with your assessment of the quality of the report ;D
I don't believe that your critic is not a Clare man. How many neutrals go to as many Waterford v Clare games as him and know what was allegedly said in dressing rooms last year and get so offended on Clare's behalf?
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 05, 2013, 08:41:38 AM
I don't believe that your critic is not a Clare man. How many neutrals go to as many Waterford v Clare games as him and know what was allegedly said in dressing rooms last year and get so offended on Clare's behalf?
Aye, much of what he says seems improbable. I'm beginning to wonder whether I've had a Tyler Durden and made up the most grotesque Waterford-hating caricature myself! :o
Quote from: deiseach on June 05, 2013, 08:51:09 AM
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 05, 2013, 08:41:38 AM
I don't believe that your critic is not a Clare man. How many neutrals go to as many Waterford v Clare games as him and know what was allegedly said in dressing rooms last year and get so offended on Clare's behalf?
Aye, much of what he says seems improbable. I'm beginning to wonder whether I've had a Tyler Durden and made up the most grotesque Waterford-hating caricature myself! :o
Imagine going to a website with a name comeonthedeise.ie and seeing a review of the game solely from a Waterford POV, shocking altogether..
What did he expect?
At least Paul Flynn saw a win over the weekend, so all isn't bad for the Blaah's at the weekend. ;)
Quote from: johnneycool on June 05, 2013, 11:12:41 AM
At least Paul Flynn saw a win over the weekend, so all isn't bad for the Blaah's at the weekend. ;)
Footballers hammered.
Blues well beaten in the FAI Cup.
Hurlers lost.
At least we have nice beaches!
How likely are Limerick to give Tipp a run for their money on Sunday?
get wired into that flakey forward division and with a referee who wants to 'let it go' they've a chance otherwise give the Tipp forwards time and space and they'll put up a big score, something the Limerick forwards aren't likely to match at the other end..
I know its not really proper hurling, but I fancy the Down lads to turn over Kerry on saturday as they've a much better balance to the team than the last time they met in Newry and have improved as the year has went on..
I haven't seen Limerick at all this year with them being in Division 1B but John Tennyson who was on Championship Matters last night rated them highly going on a challenge game they played v Kilkenny a few weeks ago. It's hard to back against Tipp though.
Quote from: deiseach on June 03, 2013, 11:07:19 AM
We've got serious problem up front. The backs gave us a platform to win that game easily, but when the forwards failed to take it the heads went down and Clare battered us into submission. I can't think of anyone who would have made a difference to the attack . . . usual overwrought one-eyed analysis here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/06/03/waterford-1-15-18-clare-2-20-26/).
Great stuff as always deiseach.
That was some display of muck between Dublin and Wexford just now.
Neither team had the basic skills of the game. It was like watching Junior club hurling.
Agreed, it was as bad a game as I've seen in a long time. I think it was just as well it was a draw, if there was a winner of that they'd have had nothing before meeting Kilkenny and getting absolutely annihilated. At least now they'll get another game before being wiped out.
Shocking stuff in Wexford Park this evening. Anyone have any insight into how Dublin have fallen back so much in two years?
I was just about to post on how much I enjoyed that game. :-[
There were a few fundamental errors here and and there but t was hard fought contest. I think you are being a bit unfair to be honest.
I dunno about that Juice I nearly turned it off it was so bad. Aimless shooting, drop shots, players rolling around on the ground grappling like a rugby match, poor touch, short pointless passing and very little quality. If it wasn't close it would have been a strong contender for worst game of the year in either code IMO.
It was saved by the closeness of the scores throughout and the last 5 minutes,
Looking at that and the Clare/Waterford last Sunday - very poor entertainment and standard.
The Derry/Down football match was light years ahead of those two versiond of the "greatest field game in the world".
THen they tell us that the Munster Hurling championship is this mythical wonderful greatest show on earth.
Obviously the people of Munster don't think so - 12,000 last week and they've revised their expected crowd down to 15,000 for tomorrow.
If we football folk could only get proper pundits on the Sunday Game then we could get rid of th'oul sticks game altogether.
Quote from: Zulu on June 08, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Agreed, it was as bad a game as I've seen in a long time. I think it was just as well it was a draw, if there was a winner of that they'd have had nothing before meeting Kilkenny and getting absolutely annihilated. At least now they'll get another game before being wiped out.
Hey!!! Or Offaly!! :)
Humblest apologise, of course I meant to say either Kilkenny or Offaly!! My uncle brought me to many an Offaly game during your greatest years and I've many fond memories of those days. Possibly never to be seen again unfortunately.
Some of the striking was like stuff you would see in pre season friendlies in club games, brutal stuff. Dublin had some good passages of play but their shooting was terrible, never seen so many balls dropped short to the keeper.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 08, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 08, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Agreed, it was as bad a game as I've seen in a long time. I think it was just as well it was a draw, if there was a winner of that they'd have had nothing before meeting Kilkenny and getting absolutely annihilated. At least now they'll get another game before being wiped out.
Hey!!! Or Offaly!! :)
Stranger things do indeed happen!!
Come on the Faithful!!!!
'Mon Offaly! Referee giving Kilkenny everything
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 09, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
'Mon Offaly! Referee giving Kilkenny everything
Is it true that Cody still is on the panel that picks refs for intercounty hurling matches?
Yawn!
Hope hurling better than singing of Amhrán na bhFiann in Limerick
Come on Limerick! Good start. I'd love if they could do it.
And Limerick lead by 3.
1.18 to 1.15 Go on my son.
All over. Great for hurling.
Limerick supporters enjoying the win on the field of play good to see.
Brilliant. Limerick back in the Munster Final and the league form torn up. The championship badly needed it. Delighted for Limerick and Tipp too. ;D
Massive win for Limerick.
Premier Emperor, where art thou?? ;)
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 09, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
Brilliant. Limerick back in the Munster Final and the league form torn up. The championship badly needed it. Delighted for Limerick and Tipp too. ;D
Tipp of course were heavily favoured to be the main challengers to the cats....
Great to see a surprise in the championship. Well done Limerick.
Pity Offaly couldn't capitalise on a great start and a leaky Kilkenny defense.
Tipp were 4 points ahead with 20 minutes left.
A very bad 20 minutes followed.
Cyril Farrell reckons last nights game between Wexford v Dublin was a "great game".
What teams are in the preliminary phase and phase one of the qualifiers tomorrow morning?
Much pride restored by Offaly today.
Bizarrely Offaly outscored Kilkenny by 4 goals to 0 and won the open play exchanges by 16 points to 14.
A bit like the Kildare game last week. Offaly got stuck in hard early on, got battered for a while in the 2nd half, stuck gainfully to the task and were within touching distance with late goals.
We've spent the last 14 years getting whipped by Kilkenny, usually losing by double figures, so we'll take some solace from the result today.
We need to build on this though!
Who is favourite for the Munster crown now? I suppose Limerick have to be favourites after today's result, but it gives extra meaning to the Cork v Clare game. The winners of that will fancy their chances against Limerick in the final.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
What teams are in the preliminary phase and phase one of the qualifiers tomorrow morning?
Not Laois anyway :D
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 09, 2013, 11:08:00 PM
Who is favourite for the Munster crown now? I suppose Limerick have to be favourites after today's result, but it gives extra meaning to the Cork v Clare game. The winners of that will fancy their chances against Limerick in the final.
All three will fancy their chances now.
KK normally don't give away goals like that albeit Bergin's was some finish.
Murphy normally doesn't drop balls like that. A better team could have nipped them today. Imagine KK and Tipp both bate on the one day ?
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 09, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Much pride restored by Offaly today.
Bizarrely Offaly outscored Kilkenny by 4 goals to 0 and won the open play exchanges by 16 points to 14.
A bit like the Kildare game last week. Offaly got stuck in hard early on, got battered for a while in the 2nd half, stuck gainfully to the task and were within touching distance with late goals.
We've spent the last 14 years getting whipped by Kilkenny, usually losing by double figures, so we'll take some solace from the result today.
We need to build on this though!
Offaly are definitely making progress.
The draw is in.
Preliminary Round
A Offaly vs Waterford
B Wexford/Dublin vs Antrim
C London vs Westmeath
Phase 1
Team B vs Carlow
Team C vs Team A
First team has home advantage. Just about the worst draw we could have gotten, but even full of beans after yesterday's performance I think Offaly will be a little bit sickened too. Time to put our 100% record against the Biffs to the test!
I think it's a great draw for both teams. Especially in Tullamore. I think both teams will fancy themselves, and there won't be a let down from either side. If Offaly had drawn London or Carlow you'd have struggled to get the buzz back, and you'd have been very open for a shock. With Waterford, there's no danger of that, and while Waterford will be favourites Offaly will be quietly confident.
It struck me watching the game yesterday that Offaly are definitely heading in the right direction, albeit with a long way to go. They seem to be morphing into a quasi Munster team with all the size and physicality (which went over the mark a couple of times but was still great to see after years of being bullied by Kilkenny men). They still have some good stickwork, and Bergins first time lift under pressure for the goal was great. As Loughnane said, they don't be shovelling the ball around the place.
If they can bring the physicality, and keep it going for a full 70 minutes, (I felt they ran out of steam after half time, the hits weren't as hard and the pressure wasn't as intense) and marry that to hurling ability then we can look forward to brighter days. Intensity + Physicality + Ability = A Potent Combination.
My fear is that they won't be as intense the next day, and Waterford will beat them handily which would set them back again, but I hope that doesn't happen.
A few random thoughts from yesterday.
Offaly may in reflection rue using a bit of timber early on. Once the ref decided to put a stop to it and book Kevin Brady, he spent the middle section of the game whistling Offaly off the park and bringing Kilkenny back into it. Once Kilkenny copped this, they knew to go down easily and get the handy free. Only 2 Kilkenny players scored more than a point from play, the frees won them this game. Offaly need to a bit cuter, the loss was bigger than any gain in this instance.
It was strange to see an Offaly team take the field with an obvious size advantage over Kilkenny. 14 years the Cody revolution began with a serious injection of power and size into Kilkenny's play and Offaly were one of the quickest teams to be steamrolled by it.
For all the good effort we still conceded 26 points. In the first half Offaly were able to outnumber Kilkenny at every ruck forcing them into pressure plays. It's had to sustain this. In the 2nd half with a bit more time, KK moved the ball around the pitch and Offaly weren't man marking particularly well.
Colin Egan's technique under the high ball was interesting when up against Tommy Walsh. He didn't stand under it and allow the little rascal to unleash his bag of tricks. Instead timing a run and jump to outfield. The one time he was under it waiting, Walsh (possibly frustrated) shoved him square in the back for an Offaly free.
Good show from Chris McDonald. He always struck me as a corner back who uses his head. Tries to play heads up hurling instead of just blindly lashing it away as too many Offaly corner backs have done in the past.
As for Kilkenny. several stalwarts of their defence is now the wrong side of 30 and might be showing creaking signs. Their new keeper conceded 4 (not all his fault) and did his best to throw in another one. The ease at which they upped it in the 2nd half suggests they are still ahead of the rest. Tipperary's defeat shows just how disorganised the chasing pack is.
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2013, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 09, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Much pride restored by Offaly today.
Bizarrely Offaly outscored Kilkenny by 4 goals to 0 and won the open play exchanges by 16 points to 14.
A bit like the Kildare game last week. Offaly got stuck in hard early on, got battered for a while in the 2nd half, stuck gainfully to the task and were within touching distance with late goals.
We've spent the last 14 years getting whipped by Kilkenny, usually losing by double figures, so we'll take some solace from the result today.
We need to build on this though!
Offaly are definitely making progress.
Unfortunately the results at underage are getting worse.
Leix caned our minors by 15 points last week in the Leinster Championship.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 10, 2013, 10:25:38 AM
A few random thoughts from yesterday.
Offaly may in reflection rue using a bit of timber early on. Once the ref decided to put a stop to it and book Kevin Brady, he spent the middle section of the game whistling Offaly off the park and bringing Kilkenny back into it. Once Kilkenny copped this, they knew to go down easily and get the handy free. Only 2 Kilkenny players scored more than a point from play, the frees won them this game. Offaly need to a bit cuter, the loss was bigger than any gain in this instance.
It was strange to see an Offaly team take the field with an obvious size advantage over Kilkenny. 14 years the Cody revolution began with a serious injection of power and size into Kilkenny's play and Offaly were one of the quickest teams to be steamrolled by it.
For all the good effort we still conceded 26 points. In the first half Offaly were able to outnumber Kilkenny at every ruck forcing them into pressure plays. It's had to sustain this. In the 2nd half with a bit more time, KK moved the ball around the pitch and Offaly weren't man marking particularly well.
Colin Egan's technique under the high ball was interesting when up against Tommy Walsh. He didn't stand under it and allow the little rascal to unleash his bag of tricks. Instead timing a run and jump to outfield. The one time he was under it waiting, Walsh (possibly frustrated) shoved him square in the back for an Offaly free.
Good show from Chris McDonald. He always struck me as a corner back who uses his head. Tries to play heads up hurling instead of just blindly lashing it away as too many Offaly corner backs have done in the past.
As for Kilkenny. several stalwarts of their defence is now the wrong side of 30 and might be showing creaking signs. Their new keeper conceded 4 (not all his fault) and did his best to throw in another one. The ease at which they upped it in the 2nd half suggests they are still ahead of the rest. Tipperary's defeat shows just how disorganised the chasing pack is.
Marty Morrissey asked Cody what he said to them at half time. What a stupid question.
Decent Draw for Antrim actually, nothing to massively fear from Saturday evening and then Carlow waiting in the next round.
Interesting
Limerick exposed the soft underbelly of the Tipp attack and held them at bay for most of the game barring that burst of scoring from young O'Dwyer, 1-3 he got in about 5 minutes I think, apart from that the only man showing was O'Brien. If thats not a worry for Tipp then it should be.
I found it interesting from Allen that he contributed the Limerick win to keeping the ball away from Paudie Maher more in the second half to nullify his influence, playing him on the wing makes this easier to achieve than if he played in the centre where I think Tipp should play him even if O'Mahony was pretty decent himself yesterday.
Limerick never wilted when Tipp had their purple patch to take the lead and that has to be a stepped change in attitude for them and they'll fear neither Clare or Cork..
on another note WTF was yer man doing rising a ball on the edge of the six yard area with the goal at his begging?? Could have been a costly mistake if Tipp had of won.
I think Tipp deserve eternal kudos for stopping the 5 in a row but it obviously was at such a high level of performance that they found it very hard to repeat.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 10, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2013, 08:59:54 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on June 09, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Much pride restored by Offaly today.
Bizarrely Offaly outscored Kilkenny by 4 goals to 0 and won the open play exchanges by 16 points to 14.
A bit like the Kildare game last week. Offaly got stuck in hard early on, got battered for a while in the 2nd half, stuck gainfully to the task and were within touching distance with late goals.
We've spent the last 14 years getting whipped by Kilkenny, usually losing by double figures, so we'll take some solace from the result today.
We need to build on this though!
Offaly are definitely making progress.
Unfortunately the results at underage are getting worse.
Leix caned our minors by 15 points last week in the Leinster Championship.
A 15 point defeat to Laois in the minor championship is pretty alarming. Great for Laois of course and well done to them, but Offaly could fall away entirely in a few years at that rate.
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
I think Tipp deserve eternal kudos for stopping the 5 in a row but it obviously was at such a high level of performance that they found it very hard to repeat.
They were fresh then and were assisted by Shefflins injury which had a telling effect on Kilkenny.
Coupled with that Lar had a year of all years and he doesn't look like repeating that again so its time for new blood to get their spurs.
My wife and I will be traveling from the USA in July (first trip to Ireland) and I'd like to attend the Munster final.
Am I correct in assuming that if Clare win, the final is at Semple Stadium, and if Cork win, the match is at the Gaelic Grounds?
And judging by past attendances, should I bother trying to acquire tickets before leaving, or just purchase them when I arrive in Ireland?
Both the Gaelic Grounds and Thurles hold in excess of 40k so you should be fine. If it is Limerick v Clare I'd try and get them in advance though. There are stirrings in both counties which could lead to a big crowd.
1) Do I have the scenarios correct (v Clare at Semple, v Cork at Gaelic Grounds)?
2) Who are the favorites going in to the second semi-final?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 10, 2013, 07:27:26 PM
Both the Gaelic Grounds and Thurles hold in excess of 40k so you should be fine. If it is Limerick v Clare I'd try and get them in advance though. There are stirrings in both counties which could lead to a big crowd.
Whilst there are stirrings in both Clare and Limerick, if Cork overcome Clare they'll bring big support too as they've huge hurling support compared to their footballers even though their footballers would be more successful at present.
If its a full capacity Munster final, it'll be the first one in quite a while.
Went along to Parnell last night for my sins. Terrible game of hurling. Standard pretty poor and only for a couple of outstanding moments from Keaney the skill level was mediocre at best. Hard to see Dublin getting within 15 points of Kilkenny and it must be the worst Wexford team I've ever seen. Shocking ill discipline as well.
Half Time here in Portlaoise and Laois lead Galway 0-08 to 0-07.
Great performance so far from Laois.
Is there an upset on the cards! I hope so.
Quote from: laoislad on June 16, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
Half Time here in Portlaoise and Laois lead Galway 0-08 to 0-07.
Great performance so far from Laois.
Is there an upset on the cards! I hope so.
Laois are playing some great stuff by the sound of it. Trust them to do it the day I'd have Galway backed on the handicap :(
Finished Laois 1-13 Galway 2-17.
Cork have a few injuries, and may be light in the forwards for the Clare game. I'd go for a very narrow one point win for Cork. Is it next weekend?
Ah well it wasn't meant to be.
7 Point defeat in the end which on the scoreboard looks like it was a stroll for Galway but it was anything but.
The last ten minutes Laois started to fade and Galway pulled away which you would expect from a team who contested the All Ireland Final last year.
Laois can be nothing but proud of themselves today and it was great to see a Laois hurling side clapped off the field at half time,it is a long long time since that happened.
I thought the roof was gonna come of the stand when Laois got their goal to go ahead,I haven't heard a roar like that in O'Moore Park for a long time.
The Laois footballers could learn a bit about heart and passion and pride in the Laois jersey from that display today.
We've come a long way from shipping 10-20 against Cork a few years ago.
Onwards and Upwards.
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
Nope. Not wrong at all. Ref's balls dropped off and he didn't send the 2nd boy off for pulling across the head. He wasn't even close to the ball and was swinging the wrong fecking way!
But these referees referee these games the same way they'd referee a juvenile game in their own county you'd hate to see what Gavin lets go in Offaly.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 17, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
Nope. Not wrong at all. Ref's balls dropped off and he didn't send the 2nd boy off for pulling across the head. He wasn't even close to the ball and was swinging the wrong fecking way!
But these referees referee these games the same way they'd referee a juvenile game in their own county you'd hate to see what Gavin lets go in Offaly.
Yep, it was a red. Probably in that scenario a referee feels that reducing a beaten Wexford to 13 men would make the timbering get even worse. They were clearly in the wrong frame of mind by then.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
You'd always fear for Wexford's discipline with Dunne over them. Indisciplined players don't make for restrained managers in my experience.
Wexford would never have been shy with timber. Limerick 1996 still reckon they were blackguarded that day.
Quote from: mouview on June 17, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
You'd always fear for Wexford's discipline with Dunne over them. Indisciplined players don't make for restrained managers in my experience.
Disagree with you there a tad. Dunne while many things as a hurler (including being extremely good) was never an "indisciplined player". Tough as teak and extremely brave.
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
Wexford would never have been shy with timber. Limerick 1996 still reckon they were blackguarded that day.
Limerick were never shrinking violets either. Mike Houlihan could hold his own whatever way you wanted to play it and so could a few others.
Quote from: Canalman on June 17, 2013, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 17, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
You'd always fear for Wexford's discipline with Dunne over them. Indisciplined players don't make for restrained managers in my experience.
Disagree with you there a tad. Dunne while many things as a hurler (including being extremely good) was never an "indisciplined player". Tough as teak and extremely brave.
Dunne overstepped the mark on a few occasions, but that doesn't take away from the fact he was indeed a hardy lad who could hurl also.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 17, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
Wexford would never have been shy with timber. Limerick 1996 still reckon they were blackguarded that day.
Limerick were never shrinking violets either. Mike Houlihan could hold his own whatever way you wanted to play it and so could a few others.
Quote from: Canalman on June 17, 2013, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 17, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
You'd always fear for Wexford's discipline with Dunne over them. Indisciplined players don't make for restrained managers in my experience.
Disagree with you there a tad. Dunne while many things as a hurler (including being extremely good) was never an "indisciplined player". Tough as teak and extremely brave.
Dunne overstepped the mark on a few occasions, but that doesn't take away from the fact he was indeed a hardy lad who could hurl also.
Limerick had tough lads alright, but that day there were a few belts from beyond the pale. What happened Gary Kirby still rankles down here.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 17, 2013, 10:29:09 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 16, 2013, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
Nope. Not wrong at all. Ref's balls dropped off and he didn't send the 2nd boy off for pulling across the head. He wasn't even close to the ball and was swinging the wrong fecking way!
But these referees referee these games the same way they'd referee a juvenile game in their own county you'd hate to see what Gavin lets go in Offaly.
Cunny funt? You need to leave the envelope with the money in it before the match starts ;)
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2013, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 17, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 17, 2013, 04:10:41 PM
Wexford would never have been shy with timber. Limerick 1996 still reckon they were blackguarded that day.
Limerick were never shrinking violets either. Mike Houlihan could hold his own whatever way you wanted to play it and so could a few others.
Quote from: Canalman on June 17, 2013, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: mouview on June 17, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 16, 2013, 11:15:05 PM
Michael Duignan was fairly tearing into Wexford hurlers for their antics last evening! Not wrong I suppose.
You'd always fear for Wexford's discipline with Dunne over them. Indisciplined players don't make for restrained managers in my experience.
Disagree with you there a tad. Dunne while many things as a hurler (including being extremely good) was never an "indisciplined player". Tough as teak and extremely brave.
Dunne overstepped the mark on a few occasions, but that doesn't take away from the fact he was indeed a hardy lad who could hurl also.
Limerick had tough lads alright, but that day there were a few belts from beyond the pale. What happened Gary Kirby still rankles down here.
Only last night I heard the full import of that incident. Reinforces my original comment at the head of the page.
I'm planning to go to Offaly v Waterford on Saturday evening and have never been to Tullamore. Where is the ground in the town and is there much parking nearby?
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 19, 2013, 07:48:57 PM
I'm planning to go to Offaly v Waterford on Saturday evening and have never been to Tullamore. Where is the ground in the town and is there much parking nearby?
Very close to the town and lots of parking
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 19, 2013, 07:48:57 PM
I'm planning to go to Offaly v Waterford on Saturday evening and have never been to Tullamore. Where is the ground in the town and is there much parking nearby?
Fond memories of Tullamore, the first big scalp Down claimed in Div1 back in the early 90's.
f**kers beat us a few weeks later in the league play off in Dundalk or Drogheda, I get those two hurling hotbeds mixed up.
Parking in Tellamore.
http://t.co/nOUiH4LLKC
How's the weekend games going to go;
Wexford to be too competitive for Antrim, but won't win by more than 7 if Antrim make a fight of it which is well within their capabilities but who knows what frame of mind they are in??
Waterford and Offaly may be a real battle, neither wanting to be put out at the first opportunity. Offaly will need that goal haul again to win, Waterford will be ready and may just have enough to stem the flow in and get enough at the other end, but Shanahan junior needs to show more effort and guile than he's shown to date.
Clare v Cork.
Hmmm previous league meetings, form and injuries to Cork all point to a Clare win, but with Limerick waiting for the winners the Clare lads might get a bit dizzy with expectation and come a cropper. The new crop of Cork hurlers showed they've something to offer against Kilkenny in the league but ball winners are lacking in their forwards to get sufficient scores and Clare to prevail by 2 or 3 points, but not without a fright.
Tbh I'm not very optimistic about Cork on Sunday. Without Pa Cronin and Lorcan McLoughlin, who are our two best ball winners, we'll struggle around the middle of the field. In the forwards, we have no real ball winner. Cian McCarthy shouldn't even be on the panel, let alone the starting team. All that said, it's a young Clare side and they mightn't produce it on the day.
There doesn't seem to much confidence around Cork with them missing some players and losing the relegation play off to Clare but they only lost after extra time and got to All Ireland semi finals last year so they can't be written off.
I'm looking forward to heading to Tullamore later for the game. Waterford won't want to bow out of the championship this early after reaching at least quarter finals and usually semi finals for past 11 years or so and I tip us to beat Offaly in a close game.
Wexford should be too good for Antrim even after playing last 2 weeks in a row.
Very disappointed Offaly v Waterford is not on tv as I can't travel to Tullamore. Surprised TV3 didn't pick it up. I guess www.wlrfm.com is the best option now. Waterford should be able to win but I wouldn't be surprised if Offaly did either if they can get goals again. Up the Deise
Haven't seen the Waterford v Offaly game yet but that was some performance from Maurice Shanahan. 8 points from play.
Interesting to see the Kilkenny changes for today, especially Jackie and TJ being dropped. I'd say Kilkenny are angry after the Offaly game and I'd fear for Dublin today. It's unlikely that the Offaly game was a sign that Kilkenny are starting to decline, but you'd always hope that's the case so hopefully the Dubs can run them close today.
Terrible weather for the Kilkenny v Dublin game. Could give Dublin a chance, maybe? We live in hope.
any links for the cats vs dubs game?
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 23, 2013, 03:28:33 PM
Terrible weather for the Kilkenny v Dublin game. Could give Dublin a chance, maybe? We live in hope.
8 points each at half time.
Updates here http://hill16.ie/thedubhub/match-day-live/kilkenny-vs-dublin-live-commentary.html
Level with 4 mins left. Go on the dubs.
Dubs one up
Feck it , a draw. Well done to the Dubs anyway.
Cork are back in a big way too. Clare's tactics seem abit bizarre. 7 points down and still packing the defence. Tony Kelly still roaming around the half back line. wtf?
f**king joke you can't get TV3 in the North
Awful shame Dublin couldn't get over the line at least they have another crack at it.
Great result for Cork today and one that I predicted, the forwards stood up and were counted. The defence after a loose opening tightened up. Conor O'Sullivan was great in there. Will be an interesting Munster final. What date is it being played?
Good result for Dublin, however can't see them getting as close the next day out.
Great display by Dubs today. Going to be a tough ask to play four weeks in a row next Saturday and I think regardless of result next Saturday they're out the following weekend again
Waterford should have won by more than 4 but hit some terrible wides last night which kept Offaly in it. Stephen O'Keeffe made a great save and clearance near the end and justified his recall. Maurice Shanahan was brilliant and won the game for us with his best display yet. Offaly battled well and were level in 2nd half but Waterford half back line got on top then. Referee James McGrath was poor and denied Waterford a blatant penalty at start of 2nd half when Seamus Prendergast was hauled down in front of goal but a free out was given which Offaly got a point from. Good crowd at the game with a good travelling support from Waterford.
Very encouraging so far with Tipp beat and the cats only drawing with the Dubs.
is hurling this year become more competitive than the football?
Must admit I didn't see that coming against the Cats particularly after the Wexford displays. Fair play to them especially in the second half and we could have snuck it. Hard to see the Cats giving us another chance though
Great 2nd half from the lads. The 3 white helmeted players Rushe, Kelly and Carton were immense as was Schutte in the corner.
Pity there was only a tiny Dublin support there but understandable I suppose after last year's game in the rain.
At this level of the game time on the ball is just a fraction of a second and if your first touch isn't top class you are finito.
4/5 missed frees really cost us.
Quote from: Minder on June 23, 2013, 05:31:08 PM
f**king joke you can't get TV3 in the North
Got caught out with that yesterday as well..
After the club game was hoping to watch the second half on TV in the in-laws house, but turns out Sky doesn't do TV3, pissed off at that as I've TV3 via an antenna and the full HD freeview TV.
Quote from: theticklemister on June 23, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
is hurling this year become more competitive than the football?
There's nothing won yet, but the one sided drubbings haven't materialised as yet.
Imagine a Div1b team giving the Div1a team a game of it.
Cats on a backlash next week ?
They're on the slide. Defeat is coming.
Be great if Dubs can beat the odds again and finish the job next weekend. Would leave a tasty Tipp Kilkenny clash in next round of qualifiers.
Murphy is out and Tyrrell will be back for KK.
Have to approach it confident even if all rational evidence says we'll be hammered.
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Murphy is out and Tyrrell will be back for KK.
Have to approach it confident even if all rational evidence says we'll be hammered.
I'd expect the Cats to up the physicality (based on what highlights I saw on TG4 last night) as the Dubs were able to run at the kilkenny defence and turn them, I'd be surprised if Cody allows the running to continue.
They're certainly not racking up the big scores they used to and are certainly vunerable. Maybe they have went to the well once too often and they're jaded a bit, they're human after all
Rushe and Kelly at the heart of the Dublin defence are solid, wide men might need to tighten up a bit though. Walter Walsh was their main outlet and Daly will need to ensure he's curtailed.
A marquee forward who's going to bag scores regularly is the Dubs achilles heel.
Based on the highlights the Dubs were one clean pick up missed by the corner back, I think it was no 25 or 22, right at the death which allowed TJ Reid the chance to equalise, that's just tough luck.
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Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Murphy is out and Tyrrell will be back for KK.
Have to approach it confident even if all rational evidence says we'll be hammered.
I'd expect the Cats to up the physicality (based on what highlights I saw on TG4 last night) as the Dubs were able to run at the kilkenny defence and turn them, I'd be surprised if Cody allows the running to continue.
They're certainly not racking up the big scores they used to and are certainly vunerable. Maybe they have went to the well once too often and they're jaded a bit, they're human after all
Rushe and Kelly at the heart of the Dublin defence are solid, wide men might need to tighten up a bit though. Walter Walsh was their main outlet and Daly will need to ensure he's curtailed.
A marquee forward who's going to bag scores regularly is the Dubs achilles heel.
Based on the highlights the Dubs were one clean pick up missed by the corner back, I think it was no 25 or 22, right at the death which allowed TJ Reid the chance to equalise, that's just tough luck.
Tough luck at the end that the last puck wasn't cleared - KK are so ruthless though you don't get a second on the ball.
Scoring forwards are the problem, unfortunately two of the best young hurlers around - Costello & Kilkenny went with the Footballers this year.
Quote from: waterfordlad on June 23, 2013, 07:38:51 PM
Waterford should have won by more than 4 but hit some terrible wides last night which kept Offaly in it. Stephen O'Keeffe made a great save and clearance near the end and justified his recall. Maurice Shanahan was brilliant and won the game for us with his best display yet. Offaly battled well and were level in 2nd half but Waterford half back line got on top then. Referee James McGrath was poor and denied Waterford a blatant penalty at start of 2nd half when Seamus Prendergast was hauled down in front of goal but a free out was given which Offaly got a point from. Good crowd at the game with a good travelling support from Waterford.
Very disappointing evening for Offaly. Against the strong wind, 4 points wasn't a massive to total to chase. With 20 minutes to go Offaly drew level with the wind but Waterford lifted it immediately and got the next couple of scores. Offaly heads dropped very quickly at this point and the performance descended into disarray.
Waterford were better for most of the game, but if Offaly were any way smart enough, the door was wide open to go and win this one. Too much wasted ball dumped on the Waterford half back line in the 2nd half and little variation in the puck outs.
Great show from Maurice Shanahan. Like his brother, he might be moving up a level in his performances a few years into his senior career?
QuoteReferee James McGrath was poor and denied Waterford a blatant penalty at start of 2nd half when Seamus Prendergast was hauled down in front of goal but a free out was given which Offaly got a point from.
From my view it didn't look a definite penalty. Kenny didn't do anything obvious (to me) to bring down Prendergast. He appeared to be holding his ground while Prendergast was barging onwards. That close to goal, most forwards realise they aren't going to get a clean strike, so the tendency is to try and go to ground. I've seen plenty of them given though. Someone over the other side of the pitch might have gotten a different view of it though.
Quote from: johnneycool on June 25, 2013, 08:38:20 AM
Quote from: heffo on June 24, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Murphy is out and Tyrrell will be back for KK.
Have to approach it confident even if all rational evidence says we'll be hammered.
I'd expect the Cats to up the physicality (based on what highlights I saw on TG4 last night) as the Dubs were able to run at the kilkenny defence and turn them, I'd be surprised if Cody allows the running to continue.
I was surprised at that too. Dublin forwards were actually taking the ball into crowds of 2 or 3 defenders and still being allowed play it away. The Wexford games really brought on Dublin, because they were taking the backwards options too often in the same scenario.
Maybe it was down to the referee though. If he kept penalising the defenders all day, they'd eventually have to back off.
Can't see it happening the next day regardless.
We've the potential for the current AI hurling champions to be knocked out in a replay yet it won't be screened live on TV, WTF??
It was bad enough the first game wasn't screened, but a replay, that's just disgraceful..
Dublin lead by 4 at the break. Be great if they could win.
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 07:44:14 PM
Dublin lead by 4 at the break. Be great if they could win.
It would be wonderful if Tipp played the Cats in the qfs.
Dublin hitting a lot of silly wides.
Goal for Dublin.
1-13 to 0-12 with about 15 mins to go.
Dubs 1-13 - 12 Cats any links to a radio broadcast for this game?
Dublin 1-15 Kilkenny 0-13 10 mins left
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 29, 2013, 08:11:33 PM
Dubs 1-13 - 12 Cats any links to a radio broadcast for this game?
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/#!/live/41/
Dubs 1.14 Cats 0.13
1-15 Dubs 0-15 Cats
They really miss Henry
Thanks for the link seafoid. Two point game.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on June 29, 2013, 08:23:11 PM
Thanks for the link seafoid. Two point game.
It's very exciting. It would be the first time they beat them since 1942 if they pull it off.
Some win for Dublin
That is brilliant.Delighted for Dublin hurlers.
Unbelievable. A great result for the Dubs and vindication for Daly after last year.
Wexford beat Carlow by two points. Two. Points. That's the Wexford who stuffed Dublin. Mental.
Quote from: hardstation on June 29, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: deiseach on June 29, 2013, 08:32:02 PM
Wexford beat Carlow by two points. Two. Points. That's the Wexford who stuffed Dublin. Mental.
Wha?
Oops, my bad. Don't know whether I'm coming or going in this year's Championship :o
Nice one lads. Our bogie team Galway awaits next week.
Motm imo a toss up between Rushe and Schutte.
Seen it live on the web and we were by far the better side and even missed several frees.
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
What a great hurling championship we have this year. Tipp v Kk next weekend SHOULD be a humdinger. It's going to be hard to call it.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
Imagine Monaghan beating Donegal . That's what it means in fuball terms.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 29, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
What a great hurling championship we have this year. Tipp v Kk next weekend SHOULD be a humdinger. It's going to be hard to call it.
Been great so far. If Laois could have held on against Galway it would have been a Laois Dublin Hurling Leinster Final..!
Maybe next year....!
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Somehow I doubt they'd be so excited if say Limerick or Galway had beaten the Cats. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Somehow I doubt they'd be so excited if say Limerick or Galway had beaten the Cats. ;)
Because it wouldn't have been as big a shock maybe.. ::)
If RTE were really that excited about Dublin hurling they would have showed the game live instead of that Ulster muck that was on.
Kilkenny or Tipp are going to be out after next week. Winners could possibly be drawn against Waterford after that. That could be 2 of arguably the 3 most consistent teams of the last 5 years out before the quarter finals. A lot of pundits said that last year was the most open hurling championship in ages, well this year is shaping up to be much better.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Somehow I doubt they'd be so excited if say Limerick or Galway had beaten the Cats. ;)
Definitely not but Galway for example have beaten Kilkenny quite a few times under Cody. This was Dublin's first win over them in championship for donkey's years.
The hype will take off now though.
Quote from: CorkMan on June 29, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Kilkenny or Tipp are going to be out after next week. Winners could possibly be drawn against Waterford after that. That could be 2 of arguably the 3 most consistent teams of the last 5 years out before the quarter finals. A lot of pundits said that last year was the most open hurling championship in ages, well this year is shaping up to be much better.
I would like Tipp to win. They could be taken out in August.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Somehow I doubt they'd be so excited if say Limerick or Galway had beaten the Cats. ;)
Definitely not but Galway for example have beaten Kilkenny quite a few times under Cody. This was Dublin's first win over them in championship for donkey's years.
The hype will take off now though.
Ah no harm! Sure the same happened with Galway last year when they beat Kilkenny in the Leinster Final. Sure it can only be expected when a team that won everything gets beaten. A Novel Leinster Final, Either winner will be making history!
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on June 29, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Kilkenny or Tipp are going to be out after next week. Winners could possibly be drawn against Waterford after that. That could be 2 of arguably the 3 most consistent teams of the last 5 years out before the quarter finals. A lot of pundits said that last year was the most open hurling championship in ages, well this year is shaping up to be much better.
I would like Tipp to win. They could be taken out in August.
Same here. There's a good possibility that they could win. It will be Kilkenny's third tough game in as many weeks.
Quote from: hardstation on June 29, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2013, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 29, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: laoislad on June 29, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 29, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
Canning (Ger) and RTÉ wettin themselves with excitement over the Dublin result.
And why shouldn't they?
It's a great result for hurling and Dublin.
Somehow I doubt they'd be so excited if say Limerick or Galway had beaten the Cats. ;)
Definitely not but Galway for example have beaten Kilkenny quite a few times under Cody. This was Dublin's first win over them in championship for donkey's years.
The hype will take off now though.
Ah no harm! Sure the same happened with Galway last year when they beat Kilkenny in the Leinster Final. Sure it can only be expected when a team that won everything gets beaten. A Novel Leinster Final, Either winner will be making history!
Eh? Unless 2 in a row is making history.....
For a Connacht team to win two Leinsters in a row it would be.... ;)
& it's on TV3 next week, f**king brilliant
Quote from: hardstation on June 29, 2013, 10:16:32 PM
Yeah, I know that but that wouldn't be "making history" for me. FFS, that's like saying Kilkenny are making history every time they win Leinster. "The first team to win 87 Leinster titles" if you get my drift. Galway made history by winning their first, they can't make history again the next year and the next year and they next year. I'm being cunty, I know.
Technically, they are making history. It's just not such a big deal.
Quote from: seafoid on June 29, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: CorkMan on June 29, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Kilkenny or Tipp are going to be out after next week. Winners could possibly be drawn against Waterford after that. That could be 2 of arguably the 3 most consistent teams of the last 5 years out before the quarter finals. A lot of pundits said that last year was the most open hurling championship in ages, well this year is shaping up to be much better.
I would like Tipp to win. They could be taken out in August.
I agree seafoid. I'd love to see Kilkenny gone and out of the picture for the summer. If they survive next week and get Fennelly , Murphy and the big H back everyone would be worried.
It's brilliant for hurling. Kilkenny were 4/6 to win the All-Ireland a couple of weeks ago and this changes everything. Dublin, Limerick, Waterford, Galway, Clare and Cork will all be thinking that this could be their year.
Congrats to Dublin. They've outplayed Kilkenny for 140 minutes and are serious All - Ireland contenders.If anyone knows of a link where the game or some highlights can be seen please post it. It's a pity it wasn't televised.
The 1 week turnaround to the Leinster Final seems a bit harsh on Dublin but I suppose I wouldn't have been saying that if Kilkenny got through. I would make Dublin favorites for it though Galway will be the bookies favorites I'm sure. Dublin are hurling much better than Galway and unless Galway make a huge improvement on their recent form, Dublin will win it.
It looks like this has the potential to be the first year since 1998 that the big firm didn't win the all Ireland.
Cats are out to 11/4 now
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling
Dá fhada an lá tagann an tráthnóna.
When Wexford and Dublin played out that draw a few weeks ago, could anyone really have seen Dublin beating KK ?
KK's injury list will tell the tale next week. They could have sent to the well once too often.
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
It looks like this has the potential to be the first year since 1998 that the big firm didn't win the all Ireland.
Cats are out to 11/4 now
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling
Dá fhada an lá tagann an tráthnóna.
Was thinking the same myself last night seafoid. Wouldn't it be great if it happened!
In fairness Kilkenny were missing the 2011 and 2012 Hurlers of the Year. In the past they've had the strength in depth to cope with the loss of big players but maybe if they had Fennelly and especially Shefflin yesterday it could have been a different game.
Thought Kilkenny were very poor last night so I wouldn't be putting Dublin in the frame for an All Ireland yet. With Kilkenny or Tipp sure be gone early it does open up the championship for a lot of teams though as the rest are much of a muchness. It's probably the weakest field for many years but the winners won't mind which is all that matters.
9 all irelands is some haul. It would be great if the old firm could all be beaten before the semifinals. Imagine having 4 of the others in the running. Tipp and Cork are both in transition so the next while could be interesting.
There was no luck required in that Dublin win although Barry Kelly won't be getting too many christmas cards from the stripes this year. He made two tough decisions, both right IMO, the wee Tommy Walsh chop down and the Kilkenny forward barging, think it was Colin Fennelly, the dubs had the numbers there and stood their ground, Fennelly hit the deck, took some set of swingers on Kelly but in fairness he blew and pointed out the field, couldn't see Gavin or McGrath doing the same.
Dublin underage have had a few victories over Kilkenny in recent years and they don't fear them now some have filtered into the senior ranks. They'll want to get some silverware for the effort they've exerted over the last 4 weeks and they could have a real crack at Galway.
The lack of leadership within the Kilkenny ranks will be their biggest concern, especially as Shefflin is their go to man and he almost always delivers, I'd be surprised if there's not talk of him making an appearance on Saturday.
I'd say Tipp are pretty pissed at this, probably thought they'd get a few handy enough games under their belts in the qualifiers and then back into the thick of the action in August. That's not going to be the case so they better have learned an awful lot since the league final meeting and defeat to Limerick and workout how to get scores from a creaking Kilkenny defence.
On another note, I'm surprised that Ger and Tómas didn't highlight the fact that the Carlows, Westmeaths, (even though they got relegated) and now Laois will progress if they get another year in the current Div1b, never mind setting up some sort of intermediary championship or another.
Has to be pointed out that 3 Div 1B (or soon to be) teams are in the provincial finals........... the other only avoided 1B via a playoff last year.
Another lazy pundit argument to be binned for a while so.
While delighted with the Dublin win the main result is that one of KK/Tipp being gone by next Sunday.
Just to drive the stake through the heart of Kilkenny and free up the championship for others, I hope Tipperary win next weekend.
It could be the best championship summer since 1998.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 01, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
Just to drive the stake through the heart of Kilkenny and free up the championship for others, I hope Tipperary win next weekend.
It could be the best championship summer since 1998.
Yeah it woul be a great boost for everyone if Tipp could finish them off. If Kilkenny win, they'll be odds-on favorites again.
Raging I couldn't get to Portlaoise but fair play to the lads they really deserved that victory. Really opens up the hurling championship and I'd say nearly everyone in the country is hoping that Tipp beat the Cats on Saturday and then Waterford beat Tipp. If Limerick beat Cork then in the Munster final and Galway beat them in the final qualifiers ( after losing to Dublin in the Leinster final ;) ;)) we'd hopefully have Limerick, Dublin, Waterford and Galway in the last 4.
Wonder what odds you'd get on that??
It will be interesting to see the Galway team. A few of our forwards - Niall Burke, David Burke and Conor Cooney especially- are in very poor form and the Dublin backs have been awesome. Croke Park is a bigger and much faster surface than O Moore Park though so hopefully we can find some gaps. There's a lot of speculation that Johnathon Glynn might come in and I'd like to see it. He'll win a lot of high ball.
I don't know who will or should start at 3, 6 or even midfield but we'll find out where we're really at on Sunday. We are 1/2 to win on Sunday and bizarrely we are 5/2 favs for the All - Ireland with PP. That should be the end of us. :(
Careful what you wish for, chap.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 01, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
Just to drive the stake through the heart of Kilkenny and free up the championship for others, I hope Tipperary win next weekend.
It could be the best championship summer since 1998.
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on July 01, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
Careful what you wish for, chap.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 01, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
Just to drive the stake through the heart of Kilkenny and free up the championship for others, I hope Tipperary win next weekend.
It could be the best championship summer since 1998.
Tipperary are a one in a row team at best.
Get Kilkenny out of the frame asap and it will feel like we have a hurling championship again.
KK are 4-5 to win a game in Nolan Patk v Tipp. They have really slipped.
Last year they were this price to win the AI.
Cody will be loving all the wiring off that is being done this week and all the nice epitaphs.
KK for me in an X rated encounter.
Quote from: orangeman on July 01, 2013, 05:44:42 PM
KK are 4-5 to win a game in Nolan Patk v Tipp. They have really slipped.
Last year they were this price to win the AI.
Cody will be loving all the wiring off that is being done this week and all the nice epitaphs.
KK for me in an X rated encounter.
Will Kilkenny have the ability to lift their game? If they don't then they are sunk, serious pressure to be playing in front of their own fans with no back door left to get back in. Tipp haven't actually be great either but have had a break and will be chomping at the bit to get at the Cats in their own back yard?
Will Kilkenny have their players back? Did they pick up any injuries at the weekend? Nothing has been said about Tipp. What team will they be putting out?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2013, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 01, 2013, 05:44:42 PM
KK are 4-5 to win a game in Nolan Patk v Tipp. They have really slipped.
Last year they were this price to win the AI.
Cody will be loving all the wiring off that is being done this week and all the nice epitaphs.
KK for me in an X rated encounter.
Will Kilkenny have the ability to lift their game? If they don't then they are sunk, serious pressure to be playing in front of their own fans with no back door left to get back in. Tipp haven't actually be great either but have had a break and will be chomping at the bit to get at the Cats in their own back yard?
Will Kilkenny have their players back? Did they pick up any injuries at the weekend? Nothing has been said about Tipp. What team will they be putting out?
If they can't lift themselves in a do or die battle with Tipp of all people and in Nowlan park then they really are gone.
I can see KK come out the other side of this game with a 2 point victory, the Tipp forwards have not impressed me this year at all, very windy and those types of hurlers won't count in Nowlan park. Young O'Dwyer may be sprung off the bench again when legs get tired and get a few scores, but I just think the rest with the odd exception hide a bit when the heavy stuff is being metered out.
Brian Gavin to referee, expect a good hammering session and Kilkenny to prevail in the blood and snotters.
I had to laugh at a comment I saw when Brian was announced as the ref. "The first 10 minutes will be hectic, and then he'll throw in the ball". It's great to be this excited about a hurling game in early July. Could it be, shock horror, because it's knockout and a big name is on the way out?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 02, 2013, 01:38:38 PM
I had to laugh at a comment I saw when Brian was announced as the ref. "The first 10 minutes will be hectic, and then he'll throw in the ball". It's great to be this excited about a hurling game in early July. Could it be, shock horror, because it's knockout and a big name is on the way out?
So by that reasoning are you for a knockout competition ;)
I'm less against the qualifiers in the hurling, but I do think it is a bit unsatisfactory that Tipp and Kilkenny are both still there having been upset in Munster and Leinster respectively. That's why this game is very appetising. Win, or go home.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 01, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
Just to drive the stake through the heart of Kilkenny and free up the championship for others, I hope Tipperary win next weekend.
It could be the best championship summer since 1998.
Well said. I eventually came around to admiring the cats but they had a big dose of shamrock rovers late 80s about them, winning with monotony , and if they could be shunted offstage I wouldn't miss them. Henry has more all irelands than Galway and Offaly combined.
Mixed news for JBM
Cork defender Brian Murphy has been ruled out for the remainder of the season after suffering a broken collarbone during a club match at the weekend.
The Bride Rovers man picked up the injury during the county senior hurling championship win over Ballinhassig at Páirc Uí Chaoimh on Sunday.
He is due to undergo an operation on Wednesday and is expected to be sidelined for three months.
Better news on the injury front for manager Jimmy Barry-Murphy, is that Pa Cronin will be available for the Munster final against Limerick after overcoming the bout of pneumonia which ruled him out of the semi-final victory over Clare.
Murphy is a bigger loss
Eamonn Sweeney had a good article in Sunday Independent about the openness of this year hurling championship. It is good for the game that other counties can feel they could win the All Ireland like it was in the 90's. Kilkenny are not gone yet though. It would be a hard road though to win it from here as even if they beat Tipperary they'd still have 4 more games to win the All Ireland without much of a break.
From the Irish Times - an illustration of the man
Sir, – My sense of elation on Saturday night in O'Moore Park, as the Dublin hurlers defeated Kilkenny in the Leinster championship, is difficult to put into words. Beside me was my father who was six years of age the last time Dublin achieved such a feat. Gaels up and down the country will appreciate that the feeling of sheer wonder at such a powerful Dublin performance stems not from the fact that we won a Leinster semi-final but that we out-played and out-fought what is almost certainly the greatest team in the history of the game.
However, as I walked around the hallowed turf after the match, mingling with supporters from both sides exhibiting shock and disbelief for very different reasons, I was taken aback by a sight that will linger in my memory as long as the Dublin victory.
There, in the middle of the field, some 10 minutes after the final whistle, stood Tommy Walsh of Kilkenny – still glistening with sweat in the warm evening sun, his jersey marked with splashes of blood; possibly his own, possibly not. He was surrounded by children decked both in sky blue and black and amber. He signed every single jersey and match programme. He posed for every single photograph. This man is not accustomed to the bitter of taste of defeat. This living legend who has garnered a record nine all-star awards in a row and won six all-Ireland titles and will surely see more of both, has never before been humbled at such an early stage of the championship. And yet, there he stood, as I watched in awe for a further 10 minutes, putting his arm around every youngster that was ushered before him by an eager parent and patiently waiting as yet another camera phone was pointed at him by an outstretched arm.
What can I say? For anyone who wonders what is special and unique about the GAA, who wonders what makes it the finest organisation in this country with nothing even remotely like it in the rest of the world, who occasionally, like myself, unthinkingly takes for granted its place at the heart of communities up and down the island, I give you Tommy Walsh – the embodiment of the spirit of the GAA and, for that matter, what might just be great about the people of this country. – Yours, etc,
PADDY MONAHAN,
Clancarthy Road,
Donnycarney, Dublin 5
Quote from: Sean3 on July 03, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
From the Irish Times - an illustration of the man
Sir, – My sense of elation on Saturday night in O'Moore Park, as the Dublin hurlers defeated Kilkenny in the Leinster championship, is difficult to put into words. Beside me was my father who was six years of age the last time Dublin achieved such a feat. Gaels up and down the country will appreciate that the feeling of sheer wonder at such a powerful Dublin performance stems not from the fact that we won a Leinster semi-final but that we out-played and out-fought what is almost certainly the greatest team in the history of the game.
However, as I walked around the hallowed turf after the match, mingling with supporters from both sides exhibiting shock and disbelief for very different reasons, I was taken aback by a sight that will linger in my memory as long as the Dublin victory.
There, in the middle of the field, some 10 minutes after the final whistle, stood Tommy Walsh of Kilkenny – still glistening with sweat in the warm evening sun, his jersey marked with splashes of blood; possibly his own, possibly not. He was surrounded by children decked both in sky blue and black and amber. He signed every single jersey and match programme. He posed for every single photograph. This man is not accustomed to the bitter of taste of defeat. This living legend who has garnered a record nine all-star awards in a row and won six all-Ireland titles and will surely see more of both, has never before been humbled at such an early stage of the championship. And yet, there he stood, as I watched in awe for a further 10 minutes, putting his arm around every youngster that was ushered before him by an eager parent and patiently waiting as yet another camera phone was pointed at him by an outstretched arm.
What can I say? For anyone who wonders what is special and unique about the GAA, who wonders what makes it the finest organisation in this country with nothing even remotely like it in the rest of the world, who occasionally, like myself, unthinkingly takes for granted its place at the heart of communities up and down the island, I give you Tommy Walsh – the embodiment of the spirit of the GAA and, for that matter, what might just be great about the people of this country. – Yours, etc,
PADDY MONAHAN,
Clancarthy Road,
Donnycarney, Dublin 5
He stood in the middle of the field for 70 minutes while Dublin ran around him.
20 more minutes of it was hardly much bother to him!
He was probably waiting for Lar to show up.
Murphy is a huge loss to Cork, he completely nullified Clare's play maker Tony Kelly in the last game. He would have been a calming influence in the middle of the Cork defence in the Gaelic Grounds on Sunday week and beyond.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 03, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on July 03, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
From the Irish Times - an illustration of the man
Sir, – My sense of elation on Saturday night in O'Moore Park, as the Dublin hurlers defeated Kilkenny in the Leinster championship, is difficult to put into words. Beside me was my father who was six years of age the last time Dublin achieved such a feat. Gaels up and down the country will appreciate that the feeling of sheer wonder at such a powerful Dublin performance stems not from the fact that we won a Leinster semi-final but that we out-played and out-fought what is almost certainly the greatest team in the history of the game.
However, as I walked around the hallowed turf after the match, mingling with supporters from both sides exhibiting shock and disbelief for very different reasons, I was taken aback by a sight that will linger in my memory as long as the Dublin victory.
There, in the middle of the field, some 10 minutes after the final whistle, stood Tommy Walsh of Kilkenny – still glistening with sweat in the warm evening sun, his jersey marked with splashes of blood; possibly his own, possibly not. He was surrounded by children decked both in sky blue and black and amber. He signed every single jersey and match programme. He posed for every single photograph. This man is not accustomed to the bitter of taste of defeat. This living legend who has garnered a record nine all-star awards in a row and won six all-Ireland titles and will surely see more of both, has never before been humbled at such an early stage of the championship. And yet, there he stood, as I watched in awe for a further 10 minutes, putting his arm around every youngster that was ushered before him by an eager parent and patiently waiting as yet another camera phone was pointed at him by an outstretched arm.
What can I say? For anyone who wonders what is special and unique about the GAA, who wonders what makes it the finest organisation in this country with nothing even remotely like it in the rest of the world, who occasionally, like myself, unthinkingly takes for granted its place at the heart of communities up and down the island, I give you Tommy Walsh – the embodiment of the spirit of the GAA and, for that matter, what might just be great about the people of this country. – Yours, etc,
PADDY MONAHAN,
Clancarthy Road,
Donnycarney, Dublin 5
He stood in the middle of the field for 70 minutes while Dublin ran around him.
20 more minutes of it was hardly much bother to him!
Or trying to remember how many All Ireland medals he has!!
Lovely letter about Tommy and not altogether unexpected of him.
On Saturday night in Nowlan Park he'll be there again and win or lose he'll be the same character.
Not many have run round him to be fair.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on July 03, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: Sean3 on July 03, 2013, 05:09:40 PM
From the Irish Times - an illustration of the man
Sir, – My sense of elation on Saturday night in O'Moore Park, as the Dublin hurlers defeated Kilkenny in the Leinster championship, is difficult to put into words. Beside me was my father who was six years of age the last time Dublin achieved such a feat. Gaels up and down the country will appreciate that the feeling of sheer wonder at such a powerful Dublin performance stems not from the fact that we won a Leinster semi-final but that we out-played and out-fought what is almost certainly the greatest team in the history of the game.
However, as I walked around the hallowed turf after the match, mingling with supporters from both sides exhibiting shock and disbelief for very different reasons, I was taken aback by a sight that will linger in my memory as long as the Dublin victory.
There, in the middle of the field, some 10 minutes after the final whistle, stood Tommy Walsh of Kilkenny – still glistening with sweat in the warm evening sun, his jersey marked with splashes of blood; possibly his own, possibly not. He was surrounded by children decked both in sky blue and black and amber. He signed every single jersey and match programme. He posed for every single photograph. This man is not accustomed to the bitter of taste of defeat. This living legend who has garnered a record nine all-star awards in a row and won six all-Ireland titles and will surely see more of both, has never before been humbled at such an early stage of the championship. And yet, there he stood, as I watched in awe for a further 10 minutes, putting his arm around every youngster that was ushered before him by an eager parent and patiently waiting as yet another camera phone was pointed at him by an outstretched arm.
What can I say? For anyone who wonders what is special and unique about the GAA, who wonders what makes it the finest organisation in this country with nothing even remotely like it in the rest of the world, who occasionally, like myself, unthinkingly takes for granted its place at the heart of communities up and down the island, I give you Tommy Walsh – the embodiment of the spirit of the GAA and, for that matter, what might just be great about the people of this country. – Yours, etc,
PADDY MONAHAN,
Clancarthy Road,
Donnycarney, Dublin 5
He stood in the middle of the field for 70 minutes while Dublin ran around him.
20 more minutes of it was hardly much bother to him!
Who's going to win Craobh Iomanaiochta Skid Row the next day ? There has been very little of the usual bluster
from the Home of Hurling™
This was common sense in May
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/hurling-world-gets-ready-to-play-latest-round-of-catch-me-if-you-can-with-kilkenny-1.1401728
Hurling world gets ready to play latest round of catch-me-if-you-can with Kilkenny
"Kilkenny, meanwhile, maintain the stately trajectory that has made them the most dominant team in the history of the game.
This supremacy makes itself felt in different ways. Firstly and most obviously it can be seen in the bald statistics of the era. Kilkenny have taken six of the last seven All-Irelands, a feat of acquisition unprecedented in football or hurling.
Secondly, other counties become more and more obsessed with matching themselves against the perennial champions, both aspirationally as well as in more Byzantine methods of emulation.
There appears to be a view that to achieve a clean hit on Kilkenny come the championship, a team must be able essentially to ambush the champions. The county's five terminal defeats in the Cody era – three All-Ireland finals and two semi-finals – have all been unexpected. Furthermore, whenever Kilkenny have been underdogs, which admittedly has not happened very much in the last 13 years, going into championship encounters they have delivered fairly stern rebukes.
In the circumstances it is not altogether surprising that opponents prefer the cover of darkness when preparing for battle.
Symbolically or not, Kilkenny made their way to another league title by driving through their biggest rivals in the knockout stages. More ominously, they have been able to promote new players during the spring, further strengthening the panel."
Its hard to see Laois having enough for Clare on saturday even though they gave Galway a good go. Clare to get back on winning ways and their passing game will thrive against slightly lesser opposition, Clare by 7.
KK-Tipp, going to be close but I still have not confidence in Tipp forwards having the swingers to deliver the fatal blow. KK by 1.
Galway-Dublin, who knows what either team will produce on the day? Dublin probably will want it more, i.e. the Leinster title, but Galway will want the AI semi-final berth rather than a trapse through the qualifiers with either a Tipp or KK, Waterford, Clare and whoever fails in Munster.
Galway by 2.
Hopefully Rushe will stay in the centre and someone else will be put on Canning to follow him.
Not sure how much of an effect the heat on Sunday will have after five games in five weeks - Galway -4 is the handicap and it's hard to argue with that but you never know.
Quote from: heffo on July 05, 2013, 01:49:15 PM
Hopefully Rushe will stay in the centre and someone else will be put on Canning to follow him.
Not sure how much of an effect the heat on Sunday will have after five games in five weeks - Galway -4 is the handicap and it's hard to argue with that but you never know.
Depends which Galway turns up. They will have been studying Dublin.
Galway team
J Skehill
F Moore
K Hynes
J Coen
D Collins
S Kavanagh
J Cooney
I Tannian
J Regan
D Burke
C Cooney
C Donnellan
D Glennon
J Canning
N Burke
A new look half-back line with Kavanagh at 6 and Cooney at 7. Hopefully Kavanagh will become the answer to our problems at centre-back. I'm surprised that Damien Hayes and Johnathon Glynn aren't in the team but I'm sure we'll get a look at both - definitely Hayes will come in early enough I'd say. Hopefully Conor Cooney can start to show what he's capable of at this level, and David and Niall Burke can find their form again. No one really knows until Sunday how we are. We'll have a fair idea after 15 mnutes.
Kilkenny after tonight are 6-4 favourites for the All Ireland.
Galway 11-4
Cork 7s
Limerick 9s
And Dublin are 10s
And Clare are 12s
Something not right about these odds ?
Quote from: orangeman on July 06, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
Kilkenny after tonight are 6-4 favourites for the All Ireland.
Galway 11-4
Cork 7s
Limerick 9s
And Dublin are 10s
And Clare are 12s
Something not right about these odds ?
Yeah they are mad, but sure Kilkenny are mad, hurling mad!
Why shouldn't Dublin beat Galway?
Going on form, Dublin beat Kilkenny and it was no fluke after the drawn game, yes they have come into this game after a few games on the trot but the players must be buzzing and well up for this, they will come flying out of the blocks and it's important to again sustain that intensity throughout the game.
Galway blow hot and cold and when they are good they will beat anyone but I don't think Dublin will let them play, I think (scud alert) the 5/2 on offer is nice and I'll stick my weekend £5 on that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2013, 11:44:59 AM
Why shouldn't Dublin beat Galway?
Going on form, Dublin beat Kilkenny and it was no fluke after the drawn game, yes they have come into this game after a few games on the trot but the players must be buzzing and well up for this, they will come flying out of the blocks and it's important to again sustain that intensity throughout the game.
Galway blow hot and cold and when they are good they will beat anyone but I don't think Dublin will let them play, I think (scud alert) the 5/2 on offer is nice and I'll stick my weekend £5 on that
You're dead right about Dublin being great value for this one Milltown. If I wasn't a Galwegian I'd be backing them too. Hope you lose that fiver though.
We know which Galway team has shown up today (so far)
Galway are in trouble on the ropes.
8 down at half-time. Can't believe Hayes or Glynn haven't been brought on. 10 wides in the first half. 6 of them from Joe. Hope he keeps shooting though. He's got 4 (2 from play) so at least he's taking the game to Dublin. Our backs are in big trouble too. Dublin could have had more goals. We've gone away from last year's defensive tactics and it's not working for us. All very disappointing. Praying for a miracle at this point.
Well done Dublin long wait is over. Galway as Leinster champions never sounded right.
Another long wait over and like the other one it was thoroughly deserved.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 07, 2013, 12:43:11 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2013, 11:44:59 AM
Why shouldn't Dublin beat Galway?
Going on form, Dublin beat Kilkenny and it was no fluke after the drawn game, yes they have come into this game after a few games on the trot but the players must be buzzing and well up for this, they will come flying out of the blocks and it's important to again sustain that intensity throughout the game.
Galway blow hot and cold and when they are good they will beat anyone but I don't think Dublin will let them play, I think (scud alert) the 5/2 on offer is nice and I'll stick my weekend £5 on that
You're dead right about Dublin being great value for this one Milltown. If I wasn't a Galwegian I'd be backing them too. Hope you lose that fiver though.
Selection
Selection Details
Result
1
GAA Hurling Matches
Galway v Dublin
7th of Jul 2013 4:00 pm
Alternative Handicap
Dublin (-2.0) @ 4/1 Win
Stake and Return Details
Bet placed at
7th of Jul 2013 12:14 pm
Total Stake
£5.00
Bet type
Single (To Win)
Tax@Tax free
Number of lines
1
Total stake due
£5.00
Stake per line
£5.00
nternet
Total amount paid
£5.00
Number of win lines
1
Number of void lines
0
Returns
£25.00
Total Returns
£25.00
Dublin -2. Good call. Well done Milltown.
Has there been a venue and time fixed for Kk v Waterford yet?
Quote from: laoislad on July 07, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
Has there been a venue and time fixed for Kk v Waterford yet?
Thurles, Sat 7pm
Galway are out to 13/2
Dublin 4 to 1. Must be the Kildare lads.
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling
Waherford 40 to 1
Pity that Waterford are themselves in a rebuilding phase, the one time they are about to take on a punch drunk Kilkenny team.
Take a Waterford team from any year of John Mullane's career and they'd definitely beat Kilkenny. Right now it's a tricky fixture to call.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 08, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
Pity that Waterford are themselves in a rebuilding phase, the one time they are about to take on a punch drunk Kilkenny team.
Take a Waterford team from any year of John Mullane's career and they'd definitely beat Kilkenny. Right now it's a tricky fixture to call.
Without Mullane, forget about it.
I don;'t think it's a simple 'forget it' orangeman. Kilkenny have problems, but they had too much pride and fight in them for a Tipperary side that simply cannot win a ball in the half forward line. I think that win does not hide the fact that they are porous for goals, that they can be ran at, and that they are hitting way too many wides.
They were never, ever going to lie down in Nowlan Park, but I can't see them winning another 4 big games to win an All Ireland. Waterford could catch them just as easily as anyone else. Saturday evening in a sunny Semple Stadium. Even allowing for the alliteration, why not?
Quote from: orangeman on July 08, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on July 08, 2013, 10:20:13 AM
Pity that Waterford are themselves in a rebuilding phase, the one time they are about to take on a punch drunk Kilkenny team.
Take a Waterford team from any year of John Mullane's career and they'd definitely beat Kilkenny. Right now it's a tricky fixture to call.
Without Mullane, forget about it.
And Molumpy as well.
Both their running styles with the ball would cause Kilkenny problems although Molumpy was out of form a bit in recent years.
Kilkenny were jittery enough on saturday evening to suggest they're still not back on form. JJ Delany's fortuitous block on Eoin Kellys shot on goal in the second half would have sent the crowd into palpitations of fret.
Waterford will need to up their game from what we saw vrs Clare, the Westmeath game would have told them nothing, but they pulled away from Offaly well in the end, they've a chance, but they'll need 2 or maybe 3 goals to win it and only concede 1 at the other end.
Kilkenny are vulnerable. The last two occasions we took them on, we were only looking for respectability and while we got that in each case there was no talk of winning. This time, we feel we could sneak it. It's more like how we felt in 2008.
Oh.
Quote from: deiseach on July 09, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
Kilkenny are vulnerable. The last two occasions we took them on, we were only looking for respectability and while we got that in each case there was no talk of winning. This time, we feel we could sneak it. It's more like how we felt in 2008.
Oh.
Revenge for 08 should be in the mix as well .
It's probably the best chance we have to beat them with them looking a bit vulnerable with their forwards not firing on all cylinders and playing 4 weeks in a row. However I'd never write off Kilkenny and our form hasn't been great either so far so I don't expect it. Expect little and be least disappointed I say!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0711/461851-kilkenny-waterford/
Waterford at 6/1 isn't a bad price
http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkenny-v-waterford/winner
Good to see that the penny has dropped in the Galway camp that things won't just be grand on the big day. This should have happened a lot earlier in the season as it was clear during the league that we'd gone backwards from last year but hopefully things can still be turned around.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/cleartheair-meetings-as-galway-face-harsh-truths-29412126.html
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 12, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Good to see that the penny has dropped in the Galway camp that things won't just be grand on the big day. This should have happened a lot earlier in the season as it was clear during the league that we'd gone backwards from last year but hopefully things can still be turned around.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/cleartheair-meetings-as-galway-face-harsh-truths-29412126.html
I was told that there was some seriously bad vibes in the camp alright in recent weeks with lads threatening to walk off the panel before being persuaded to stay. And this from a team that contested the All-Ireland final last year.
Knowing the Galway hurlers it is entirely plausible that they could go out the next day and hurl out of their skins but they have no real good form or match sharpness behind them unlike last year. They were so off the pace against Dublin it was unreal. Touch was poor and intensity was non-existant. They are far better than that when properly tuned in but the last day was brutal.
Yeah I don't know what's been going on behind the scenes GBB - loads of rumors flying around and if there's any truth in them then the players would really want to grow up. All I know is what I've seen of them on the field and it's been absolute buineach, so either things are seriously wrong in training or we're just not good enough and got a bit lucky last year. If we don't see a massive turnaround we'll be gone in 2 weeks, the management will probably go and another wave of misery will sweep over hurling in the county. I've used comic sans to try to lighten the pessimistic tone of my post.
links to game please
further proof that Kilkenny dupe officials and win frees - Larkin cleary pulled Brick's hurley and theplayer down but got the soft free
referees do not call frees against Kilkenny players that they do against their opponents
Quote from: neilthemac on July 13, 2013, 08:51:54 PM
further proof that Kilkenny dupe officials and win frees - Larkin cleary pulled Brick's hurley and theplayer down but got the soft free
referees do not call frees against Kilkenny players that they do against their opponents
The old Eoin Larkin special eh!
What a finish by Kevin Moran!
Crazy end to that game.
referee was correct
two minutes was up - blow the whistle
Waterford should bring Shanahan back on. He'd win the game for them
Quote from: neilthemac on July 13, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
referee was correct
two minutes was up - blow the whistle
Waterford should bring Shanahan back on. He'd win the game for them
Ballsy call.
Quote from: orangeman on July 13, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 13, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
referee was correct
two minutes was up - blow the whistle
Waterford should bring Shanahan back on. He'd win the game for them
Ballsy call.
Never seen a referee blow up a match as a player was about to strike a ball. Delighted that he did come on Waterford. Some one should grab mullane from the stands and give him a hurl.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 13, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 13, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
referee was correct
two minutes was up - blow the whistle
Waterford should bring Shanahan back on. He'd win the game for them
Ballsy call.
Never seen a referee blow up a match as a player was about to strike a ball. Delighted that he did come on Waterford. Some one should grab mullane from the stands and give him a hurl.
Gas thing is there would have been no complaints from Waterford if he let play go on!
I'd say the ref will be hoping that KK win this extra time.
They've started brightly enough anyway.
4 up now for KK.
KK turning the screw a bit.
5-0 up in ET so far.
Waterford still show a lot of the Davy Fitzgerald tippy tappy hurling
Another big call for Owens.
Waterford benefit yet again.
Owens is doing his best for all other counties in Ireland.
Waterford crowd getting quiet.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2013, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 13, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 13, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
referee was correct
two minutes was up - blow the whistle
Waterford should bring Shanahan back on. He'd win the game for them
Ballsy call.
Never seen a referee blow up a match as a player was about to strike a ball. Delighted that he did come on Waterford. Some one should grab mullane from the stands and give him a hurl.
Can you imagine the bitching had this happened in a football match ?
What a game!
It's Waterford's day / night ?
A goal from nothing.
Some game.
Feck KK now three up
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 13, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
What a game!
KK respond again.
No surprise there.
Fantastic game.
Great credit to both sides.
KK go to the well yet again.
They can't keep doing this again and again.
Well done KK.
Hard luck Waterford.
PS Matthew Ruth is going to get some bollcking.
The time keeping here is some joke.
Owens played a full part.
3 minutes injury time in a 10 minute half.
Only 2 in 35.
Cracking game and fair fcuks to both teams for not giving up, Waterford left nothing behind and Kilkenny are some team but very beatable
What a game . It has been some hurling championship this year . Fair play to Kilkenny 5 games in 6 weeks and they looked the stronger team in extra time . Lets hope the munster final is 1/2 as good tomorrow. I dunno but I have a funny feeling that Kilkenny will go on to win the Ai again .
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
What a game . It has been some hurling championship this year . Fair play to Kilkenny 5 games in 6 weeks and they looked the stronger team in extra time . Lets hope the munster final is 1/2 as good tomorrow. I dunno but I have a funny feeling that Kilkenny will go on to win the Ai again .
Christ if they do they will be even harder to listen to than usual after (nearly) everyone writing them off.
thank God were Irish and we have this game called hurling!
best hurling championship in years!!!!!
In fairness lads, that was a poor game but the late Waterford comeback and ET made it exciting but for large parts it was pretty desperate stuff. Kilkenny still there and will take a bit of beating but Shefflin appears to be out for the year and was no help to Kilkenny tonight. Clare (though poor again tonight) and Kilkenny would be my tips for the All Ireland.
The King wasn't match fit, couldn't really read much more into than that. Some lovely flicks and distribution. However he wasn't at the races at all. Tommy hasn't been great this season, which I more surprised about, getting a bit long in the tooth perhaps?
Thought the ref was horrible for both sides and wanted to be the centre of attention and spoiled the game.
I'd be worried about Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway are great prices at the moment.
Kilkenny at present are trying to buy time and jez the last two weeks they have earned their extra couple of weeks. King Henry has been brought on the last couple of weeks to give a psychological lift to the players and the crowd. This impact i feel will be lost from now on as Henry is clearly not up to speed. The Gas thing is that you'll hear how nobody fears KK but they all do. So we are down to 6 teams. Cork, Limerick, Clare, Galway, Dublin and KK are left. Do KK play the losers of the Munster Championship and Clare play the losers of the Leinster Championship?
Clare and the cats are the 2 qf survivors and they meet the losers of the provincial finals. If Limerick beat Cork , KK will play Cork in the qf since cork have already played clare. If cork win then it's a draw to see who plays.
KK conceded a bagful v Offaly.
They couidnt beat Dublin.
They just about got over Tipp at home.
They drew with Waterford last night.
The writing is on the wall. Only a matter of time.
Quote from: pullhard on July 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM
The King wasn't match fit, couldn't really read much more into than that. Some lovely flicks and distribution. However he wasn't at the races at all. Tommy hasn't been great this season, which I more surprised about, getting a bit long in the tooth perhaps?
Thought the ref was horrible for both sides and wanted to be the centre of attention and spoiled the game. I'd be worried about Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway are great prices at the moment.
He made two brave decisions that were both spot on the goal for Killkenny from the penalty and stopping the game after time was up!! no big deal there, how many times do we shout at the ref to blow up as time is up? if the claxton was brought in there wouldn't have been any complaints ffs.
he let the game flow as best he could and got the penalties spot on. He couldn't spoil the game, that's down to the teams playing two man ff lines and bring a player out, that will always bring the scoring down. Waterfords plan was to play short ball and it worked everytime they did it, 90% of their high balls in were claimed by Kilkenny defenders, teams take note, 20/30 yard low balls in will win you the ball or a free against Kilkenny, high pressurized balls out of defence then Kilkenny will have them all day
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: pullhard on July 13, 2013, 11:20:28 PM
The King wasn't match fit, couldn't really read much more into than that. Some lovely flicks and distribution. However he wasn't at the races at all. Tommy hasn't been great this season, which I more surprised about, getting a bit long in the tooth perhaps?
Thought the ref was horrible for both sides and wanted to be the centre of attention and spoiled the game. I'd be worried about Kilkenny, Dublin and Galway are great prices at the moment.
He made two brave decisions that were both spot on the goal for Killkenny from the penalty and stopping the game after time was up!! no big deal there, how many times do we shout at the ref to blow up as time is up? if the claxton was brought in there wouldn't have been any complaints ffs.
he let the game flow as best he could and got the penalties spot on. He couldn't spoil the game, that's down to the teams playing two man ff lines and bring a player out, that will always bring the scoring down. Waterfords plan was to play short ball and it worked everytime they did it, 90% of their high balls in were claimed by Kilkenny defenders, teams take note, 20/30 yard low balls in will win you the ball or a free against Kilkenny, high pressurized balls out of defence then Kilkenny will have them all day
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Those are fair points.
But Waterford nearly bate them ( and Dublin did ) by letting her in long.
KK are creaking.
I wonder what Mullane was thinking last night ?. I'm sure he'd have loved a go at beating KK last night.
If Mullane had been on the field, and Shanahan had contributed anything then Waterford could have won
they didn't have scoring power to match the cats
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
He made two brave decisions that were both spot on the goal for Killkenny from the penalty and stopping the game after time was up!! no big deal there, how many times do we shout at the ref to blow up as time is up? if the claxton was brought in there wouldn't have been any complaints ffs.
he let the game flow as best he could and got the penalties spot on. He couldn't spoil the game, that's down to the teams playing two man ff lines and bring a player out, that will always bring the scoring down. Waterfords plan was to play short ball and it worked everytime they did it, 90% of their high balls in were claimed by Kilkenny defenders, teams take note, 20/30 yard low balls in will win you the ball or a free against Kilkenny, high pressurized balls out of defence then Kilkenny will have them all day
Don't agree with any of that about the ref. There was nothing brave about awarding the penalty goal, it was clearly a goal. There isn't a klaxon in Gaelic games and everyone accepts that the ref waits for an attack to break down before blowing the whistle - note that's what he did at the end of extra-time. No-one associated with Waterford would have complained had he awarded the score and if it had happened at the other end we'd have been furious. You say he "let the game flow". I say he gave numerous advantages when all the team being fouled wanted was the bloody free to be able to clear their lines, then let play go on despite no advantage accruing. It was a poor performance.
Anyway, you can read all that and a bit more here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/07/14/waterford-2-16-22-kilkenny-1-22-25-aet/).
Quote from: deiseach on July 14, 2013, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
He made two brave decisions that were both spot on the goal for Killkenny from the penalty and stopping the game after time was up!! no big deal there, how many times do we shout at the ref to blow up as time is up? if the claxton was brought in there wouldn't have been any complaints ffs.
he let the game flow as best he could and got the penalties spot on. He couldn't spoil the game, that's down to the teams playing two man ff lines and bring a player out, that will always bring the scoring down. Waterfords plan was to play short ball and it worked everytime they did it, 90% of their high balls in were claimed by Kilkenny defenders, teams take note, 20/30 yard low balls in will win you the ball or a free against Kilkenny, high pressurized balls out of defence then Kilkenny will have them all day
Don't agree with any of that about the ref. There was nothing brave about awarding the penalty goal, it was clearly a goal. There isn't a klaxon in Gaelic games and everyone accepts that the ref waits for an attack to break down before blowing the whistle - note that's what he did at the end of extra-time. No-one associated with Waterford would have complained had he awarded the score and if it had happened at the other end we'd have been furious. You say he "let the game flow". I say he gave numerous advantages when all the team being fouled wanted was the bloody free to be able to clear their lines, then let play go on despite no advantage accruing. It was a poor performance.
Anyway, you can read all that and a bit more here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/07/14/waterford-2-16-22-kilkenny-1-22-25-aet/).
I haven't seen the match yet but a great read as always deiseach. It's hard not to think about what might have been if Mullane was still there but anyway, there's still plenty of fight left in Warerford.
Quote from: deiseach on July 14, 2013, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
He made two brave decisions that were both spot on the goal for Killkenny from the penalty and stopping the game after time was up!! no big deal there, how many times do we shout at the ref to blow up as time is up? if the claxton was brought in there wouldn't have been any complaints ffs.
he let the game flow as best he could and got the penalties spot on. He couldn't spoil the game, that's down to the teams playing two man ff lines and bring a player out, that will always bring the scoring down. Waterfords plan was to play short ball and it worked everytime they did it, 90% of their high balls in were claimed by Kilkenny defenders, teams take note, 20/30 yard low balls in will win you the ball or a free against Kilkenny, high pressurized balls out of defence then Kilkenny will have them all day
Don't agree with any of that about the ref. There was nothing brave about awarding the penalty goal, it was clearly a goal. There isn't a klaxon in Gaelic games and everyone accepts that the ref waits for an attack to break down before blowing the whistle - note that's what he did at the end of extra-time. No-one associated with Waterford would have complained had he awarded the score and if it had happened at the other end we'd have been furious. You say he "let the game flow". I say he gave numerous advantages when all the team being fouled wanted was the bloody free to be able to clear their lines, then let play go on despite no advantage accruing. It was a poor performance.
Anyway, you can read all that and a bit more here (http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/2013/07/14/waterford-2-16-22-kilkenny-1-22-25-aet/).
If everyone expects that play should break down before a whistle is blown then they clearly don't know the rules, ya can't complain about referess not applying the rules, and if he plays advantage, which is up to the referee, then thats in the rules also, I prefer adavantage being played in a forward position rather than defence but he's still applying the rules. As for the penalty goal it was wasn't as clear as you think, even in slow mo it was hard to see and most of the players played on
It looks like cork are going to end up playing the cats in the qfs,
1996 a long wait for Limerick well done to them.
Think that makes the QF's
Clare v Galway
Cork v Kilkenny
Great scenes with all the Limerick supporters celebrating on the field. Croke park is dull without those scenes.
Well done to Limerick, great result....hope you go on and win Liam.
Selection
Selection Details
Result
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GAA Matches
GAA Hurling Matches
Limerick v Cork
14th of Jul 2013 4:00 pm
Alternative Handicap
Limerick (-2.0) @ 13/8
Win
Limerick won because of the sending off, from a referee view I thought it was harsh but in the rules, I've seen more dirty strokes with lads pulling early on high balls, as the ball hit him on forehead he was in right direction just hit back of head first. Anyways the question will be this, will the prov champions win the all Ireland?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2013, 05:29:48 PM
Think that makes the QF's
Clare v Galway
Cork v Kilkenny
cork v kilkenny reminds me of the rat thread. You put the old firm in a box and they kill each other and only one rat is left at semifinal stage.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 04:00:34 PM
If everyone expects that play should break down before a whistle is blown then they clearly don't know the rules, ya can't complain about referess not applying the rules, and if he plays advantage, which is up to the referee, then thats in the rules also, I prefer adavantage being played in a forward position rather than defence but he's still applying the rules. As for the penalty goal it was wasn't as clear as you think, even in slow mo it was hard to see and most of the players played on
Blowing up right at the end of full time yet allowing the attack to finish at the end of extra time - bad refereeing.
Repeatedly playing the advantage even when no advantage accrued - bad refereeing.
Spotting a ball had crossed the line and rebounded out - good umpiring.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Limerick won because of the sending off, from a referee view I thought it was harsh but in the rules, I've seen more dirty strokes with lads pulling early on high balls, as the ball hit him on forehead he was in right direction just hit back of head first. Anyways the question will be this, will the prov champions win the all Ireland?
Funnily enough, thought the ref got this exactly right. A ref can't know how many g's were applied to the strike. Every player has a duty of care to those around them. Hit the head, you're off.
Quote from: deiseach on July 14, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Limerick won because of the sending off, from a referee view I thought it was harsh but in the rules, I've seen more dirty strokes with lads pulling early on high balls, as the ball hit him on forehead he was in right direction just hit back of head first. Anyways the question will be this, will the prov champions win the all Ireland?
Funnily enough, thought the ref got this exactly right. A ref can't know how many g's were applied to the strike. Every player has a duty of care to those around them. Hit the head, you're off.
Yes just like the sending off in the club final, hitting the head isn't in the rules as such, striking an opponent is.
As for not blowing up at the end of the second period of the extra time he should have been consistent with his earlier call. But in the grand scheme of things he done really well, opinions everyone has them, he didn't make the game poor, that's down to the players and for 50 minutes it was poor enough, that wasn't down to the referee.
To many armchair referee critics blaming referees when the reality is he doesn't determine the outcome of the game as was the case yesterday
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 07:34:22 PM
As for not blowing up at the end of the second period of the extra time he should have been consistent with his earlier call. But in the grand scheme of things he done really well, opinions everyone has them, he didn't make the game poor, that's down to the players and for 50 minutes it was poor enough, that wasn't down to the referee.
I didn't accuse the ref of making the game poor. I accused the ref of being poor.
that was some week(end) of hurling.
The Leinster U-21 final was a drama if there ever was one, going to extra time, then the poor keeper scooping the ball over the goal line right at the death to hand Wexford the win. Great viewing on a wednesday night.
The Waterford/Kilkenny didn't really catch fire TBH, but the closeness of the game, ET etc kept it enthralling. I feel a bit for the Deise as much as they've some great hurlers they do wile stupid things, Jamie Nagle twice held onto the ball way too long and either was bundled over the sideline or lost possession. Playing balls out the wings into a two man fullforward line with big Seamus Prendergast trying to run out to wing to get possession, that's not his game and never was, it needed pumped down in front of him, not out to the side.
Kilkenny showed glimmers of recovery but as expected. a more potent scoring threat from Waterford would have seen them off. Shefflin has had little impact on the game and his flicks etc are a sign that he's no where near fit or sharp enough yet, whether he will be in two weeks remains to be seen. It'll also remain to be seen whether Cork have the scoring threat either to deliver that final blow.
Wee Tommy looked visibly tired, struggling for clean pick ups etc, big Walsh has a awkward stroke and may be his downfall if he doesn't get the time and space to get it away. He hasn't the same speed as Fogarty who also has the same affliction to mask it as well. Big Fennellys introduction into midfield is a welcome bonus for them though and you can see him offered more to the team in a few weeks time.
Cork showed enough yesterday with their full compliment that they'll give Kilkenny a game of it, but with so many bad wides that'll need worked on. They've a lot of speed in their ranks, but you wonder how they'll fare against big men under a dropping ball in their defence which caused problems for them yesterday.
Limerick looked a bit jittery yesterday but seem to have added a bit of guile to their traditional gung-ho style but their subs added to the team when introduced for the second game running and that's a bonus for any team having a bench to come in and make a difference. There'll be some expectation within the county now though and you'd wonder how they'll handle that up to the AI semi-final.
Will the quarter finals be a double header in Semple Stadium on Sunday week? It would make a great day out!
Am I mistaken in saying semis are as follows
Dublin v Cork/Kilkenny
Limerick v Clare/Galway
Would guarantee no repeats of provincial finals at an early stage.
Is it a draw after the quarter finals?
Jaysus can you imagine a Limerick Clare All Ireland semi final? There'd be aftershocks felt in Buenos Aires.
I'd love to see the 'crazy gang' Clare winning the whole thing - davy fitz would combust !
Dubs have to be fav now and would prob see of kilkenny in the semi.
Limerick v clare would be a huge battle and would be wont by whoever hits less wides you'd think.
great championship in that all those teams have a real shot at winning it with so much talent in their teams.
great year for hurling.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
I'd love to see the 'crazy gang' Clare winning the whole thing - davy fitz would combust !
Dubs have to be fav now and would prob see of kilkenny in the semi.
Limerick v clare would be a huge battle and would be wont by whoever hits less wides you'd think.
great championship in that all those teams have a real shot at winning it with so much talent in their teams.
great year for hurling.
Yeah the Limerick v Clare game will be a cracker. I'm looking forward to it already.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
I'd love to see the 'crazy gang' Clare winning the whole thing - davy fitz would combust !
Dubs have to be fav now and would prob see of kilkenny in the semi.
Limerick v clare would be a huge battle and would be wont by whoever hits less wides you'd think.
great championship in that all those teams have a real shot at winning it with so much talent in their teams.
great year for hurling.
Yeah the Limerick v Clare game will be a cracker. I'm looking forward to it already.
Oh how the mighty have fallen eh, Asal.
I'll not be writing you lads off just yet.
Quote from: Canalman on July 15, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Am I mistaken in saying semis are as follows
Dublin v Cork/Kilkenny
Limerick v Clare/Galway
Would guarantee no repeats of provincial finals at an early stage.
Is it a draw after the quarter finals?
I think if Kilkenny and Galway go through it's a draw to see who gets who but if only one or neither of them get through then I think you're correct.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 12:07:37 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 11:50:50 AM
I'd love to see the 'crazy gang' Clare winning the whole thing - davy fitz would combust !
Dubs have to be fav now and would prob see of kilkenny in the semi.
Limerick v clare would be a huge battle and would be wont by whoever hits less wides you'd think.
great championship in that all those teams have a real shot at winning it with so much talent in their teams.
great year for hurling.
I did say 'would' not 'will' - if Galway can recapture form they could win the whole thing yet!
Yeah the Limerick v Clare game will be a cracker. I'm looking forward to it already.
Ah I was reading between the lines though Lynchbhoy. Galway are a beaten docket. I fancy Limerick to take Clare but it'll be close.
Quote from: deiseach on July 14, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
Limerick won because of the sending off, from a referee view I thought it was harsh but in the rules, I've seen more dirty strokes with lads pulling early on high balls, as the ball hit him on forehead he was in right direction just hit back of head first. Anyways the question will be this, will the prov champions win the all Ireland?
Funnily enough, thought the ref got this exactly right. A ref can't know how many g's were applied to the strike. Every player has a duty of care to those around them. Hit the head, you're off.
But there was nothing dangerous about it deiseach. It was a poke more than a pull and I'd doubt if it even hurt the Limerick player. I understand why McGrath put him off but I'd love to see Horgan cleared to play against Kilkenny. Very unlikely of course.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 03:39:23 PM
Ah I was reading between the lines though Lynchbhoy. Galway are a beaten docket. I fancy Limerick to take Clare but it'll be close.
No doubt you would be delighted to be wrong. Can't see the dubs as favs either. The galway races haven't even started.
Yeah I was half-joking seafoid. If we see a change in attitude the next day we'll be back in contention. I heard though that Shane Kavanagh played for Kinvara at the weekend with a broken toe he picked up in the Dublin game, making him unlikely to be fit for the Clare game. If that's true it suggests further that it's not a committed, unified Galway camp.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
But there was nothing dangerous about it deiseach. It was a poke more than a pull and I'd doubt if it even hurt the Limerick player. I understand why McGrath put him off but I'd love to see Horgan cleared to play against Kilkenny. Very unlikely of course.
It was reckless. How is the ref to know how much force was applied? Maybe they should use those g force gauges they use in Mythbusters to calculate the damage that would have been caused if it been a real person they dropped from a helicopter rather than the crash-test dummy Buster. My only objection would be that other players will get away with similar carelessness, but the sooner referees cut out the ambiguity the sooner players will learn to steer well clear of the head.
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
It's the early pull that is dangerous, being early he more or less pulls downwards on to player
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
I got to see the sending off last night and in all fairness it was harsh, it was a one handed slap to the back of the helmet with the flat of the hurl, what he was trying to do is anyones guess. It sounded worse than it actually was and I'd say the ref went on that.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
I got to see the sending off last night and in all fairness it was harsh, it was a one handed slap to the back of the helmet with the flat of the hurl, what he was trying to do is anyones guess. It sounded worse than it actually was and I'd say the ref went on that.
Yeah I wouldn't blame McGrath at all. From his point of view it was the right decision but when you see the replays, it wasn't that bad and a yellow would have been fairer.
Seen the sending off again last night and while I think it was harsh it certainly wasn't an outrageously bad decision by the ref. Personally think a yellow would have been fine but ref imvho can't be blamed for flashing the red.
Personally seem to think there is alot more recklessness in tackling in the game in general now with the compulsory faceguards . Maybe it is me but when there no faceguards players were more careful in protecting themselves while blocking and less willing to have the hurley high when tackling. Tackling was more "wristy" as opposed to physical as it is now.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
I got to see the sending off last night and in all fairness it was harsh, it was a one handed slap to the back of the helmet with the flat of the hurl, what he was trying to do is anyones guess.
Looked like he was trying to take the ball down out of the air with the bas of the hurl and either mistimed it or just didn't see the Limerick lad rise up to catch it in time.
if the player who is in possession was punished for pushing with his hurley towards the faceguard of the tackler it would also help.
this i feel is very dangerous and could lead to a serious injury (it is charging our pushing an opponent according to the rules)
happens numerous times in every game and is never blown for
Quote from: neilthemac on July 16, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
if the player who is in possession was punished for pushing with his hurley towards the faceguard of the tackler it would also help.
this i feel is very dangerous and could lead to a serious injury (it is charging our pushing an opponent according to the rules)
happens numerous times in every game and is never blown for
Very true indeed, that's pretty common nowadays and goes unhindered. In saying that the number of arms/hurls left in on a man in possession, enough to impede momentum, but more often than not results in no foul unless they do an Eoin Larkin, pull the hurl into themselves and pirouette to the ground. The Ref may be playing an advantage, but if you then get blocked or hooked shortly after then there was no advantage and we currently can't come back for the original foul then the foul is rewarded of sorts.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 15, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
I think wild swinging of the hurl is what we need to cut out as that's what causes injuries, rather than just swinging near the head. A perfect example of the wild swinging that should be punished, was the one that smashed up Michael Rice's hand in last year's All - Ireland semi-final. I think the hand is more vulnerable than the head now that everyone's wearing helmets. And yeah I think the referee should try to judge how dangerous a pull is, though as you say that won't always be easy.
Mahers pull that day was one of the most blatant pulls I've ever seen (thats not been dealt with by the ref). As you say Asal its unreal that a tap to a helmet gets sanctioned before a wild pull lower down (nowhere near the ball) on exposed areas like the hands.
Thank God for Frank now.
Cork say they will appeal the red card given to Patrick Horgan in Sunday's Munster final defeat to Limerick.
Referee James McGrath was in no doubt as he dismissed the forward for hitting Limerick's Paudie O'Brien on the back of the head with his hurley as the defender went for a high ball.
The sides were level at ten points each at the time of the incident - the Treaty County went on to win by nine.
The Glen Rovers player now looks set to miss the Rebels' All-Ireland quarter-final with Kilkenny on 28 July.
Speaking in the Irish Examiner, Cork selector Kieran Kingston said: "I thought the decision to send Patrick off was absolutely extraordinary.
"Paudie O'Brien himself told Patrick, on the phone, he went down with a blow to the face from the sliotar, not from the impact of the hurley.
"The referee's report goes in and we can appeal and we will certainly be doing that."
I hope he gets off. I can't see Cork beating the Cats without him.
Quote from: orangeman on July 17, 2013, 09:49:02 AM
Thank God for Frank now.
Cork say they will appeal the red card given to Patrick Horgan in Sunday's Munster final defeat to Limerick.
Referee James McGrath was in no doubt as he dismissed the forward for hitting Limerick's Paudie O'Brien on the back of the head with his hurley as the defender went for a high ball.
The sides were level at ten points each at the time of the incident - the Treaty County went on to win by nine.
The Glen Rovers player now looks set to miss the Rebels' All-Ireland quarter-final with Kilkenny on 28 July.
Speaking in the Irish Examiner, Cork selector Kieran Kingston said: "I thought the decision to send Patrick off was absolutely extraordinary.
"Paudie O'Brien himself told Patrick, on the phone, he went down with a blow to the face from the sliotar, not from the impact of the hurley.
"The referee's report goes in and we can appeal and we will certainly be doing that."
doesn't matter what cause him to go down
he still hit him with the hurley
If referees start sending off everyone who hits with a hurley like that then it'll be 5 aside before you know it.
I'd say there were at least a dozen lads 'hit' with hurls over the weekend and Horgan was the only one to get a red card let alone a yellow one.
There was no malice in it, a one handed slap on the back of the head, sounded bad, player went down as the ball somehow hit him in the face through his faceguard, ref has a few seconds to make a decision, calls it as a red.
McGrath has no replay to watch, there was contact, so its not the worse decision ever made, but I'd say if he watches it again on video then he'd see it was a mistimed slap and a yellow at worst.
Even Secretary Evil might struggle to get this one squared.
QuoteMcEnaney vows to crack down on high fouls (http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/1229/ireland/mcenaney-vows-to-crack-down-on-high-fouls-218121.html)
By John Fogarty
Saturday, December 29, 2012
Inter-county hurlers have been warned referees won't tolerate dangerous play around an opponent's head or interference with their helmet from next year.
National referees' committee chairman Pat McEnaney said his officials have been instructed to issue red cards to any player who commits such fouls.
"Hurling is a fantastic game. Before May [when he was appointed], my knowledge of hurling would have been limited but I've learned a lot since then and our players have to be protected.
"There is a lot of video evidence to suggest there are too many fouls happening around players' heads like wild pulling and interfering and tapping.
"Just because all players now wear helmets doesn't make it right. Anything done in or around the head is a red card offence and that's something we will be concentrating on in the new year."
McEnaney reiterated his remarks last month that referees have to get tougher in enforcing the rules of the game after revealing there should have been eight more red cards than the two that were shown in the 2012 championship.
"We started the year well in hurling but then had a couple of poor games when players who should have been sent off remained on the field.
"The year finished with Barry Kelly outstanding in the All-Ireland final in the first game and James McGrath having a very good game in the replay.
"But we have to get better at enforcing what are red card offences. There were too many instances for my liking of fellas not being punished appropriately for what they did."
Quote from: deiseach on July 17, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
Even Secretary Evil might struggle to get this one squared.
QuoteMcEnaney vows to crack down on high fouls (http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/1229/ireland/mcenaney-vows-to-crack-down-on-high-fouls-218121.html)
By John Fogarty
Saturday, December 29, 2012
Inter-county hurlers have been warned referees won't tolerate dangerous play around an opponent's head or interference with their helmet from next year.
National referees' committee chairman Pat McEnaney said his officials have been instructed to issue red cards to any player who commits such fouls.
"Hurling is a fantastic game. Before May [when he was appointed], my knowledge of hurling would have been limited but I've learned a lot since then and our players have to be protected.
"There is a lot of video evidence to suggest there are too many fouls happening around players' heads like wild pulling and interfering and tapping.
"Just because all players now wear helmets doesn't make it right. Anything done in or around the head is a red card offence and that's something we will be concentrating on in the new year."
McEnaney reiterated his remarks last month that referees have to get tougher in enforcing the rules of the game after revealing there should have been eight more red cards than the two that were shown in the 2012 championship.
"We started the year well in hurling but then had a couple of poor games when players who should have been sent off remained on the field.
"The year finished with Barry Kelly outstanding in the All-Ireland final in the first game and James McGrath having a very good game in the replay.
"But we have to get better at enforcing what are red card offences. There were too many instances for my liking of fellas not being punished appropriately for what they did."
Well he'd better come out now and justify it rather than let McGrath take all the flack.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 17, 2013, 03:15:35 PM
Well he'd better come out now and justify it rather than let McGrath take all the flack.
Good point.
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
We used to hear that a lot from the lads north of Meath as well for their football championship.
They'll be letting women into Croke Park next.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
And Barry Kelly form Westmeath also!!
It seemed harsh at the time but McGrath was following the line Pat has put in from the start, I was at that conference in Croke Park where we had a workshop with referees all over the country, with the help of videos we (well I did) had a chance to look at an incident and say what you'd have given as a referee. Twice Pat pulled me up on what I believed should have happened in the video. Both marginal but if applying the rules to the book Pat was right, but harsh. So this seems to be the way it's going whether you like it or not
I think more referees from the second tier counties should get big games
they call it as they see it and apply the rules.
non of this 'munster hurling' or 'spirit of the game'
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
Munster hurling is one of the glorious mysteries. At least in Munster.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
Munster hurling is one of the glorious mysteries. At least in Munster.
I've a soft spot for the Munster championship after being shipped down to Munster finals since I was 14 or so in the back of a car for 5 or 6 hours. I'd never witnessed anything like them in my young life and its stayed with me ever since, however some of the bullshit that comes with it from Considine and the likes who I think is has a very astute hurling mind but gets clouded with this mystical stuff that you almost don't need a referee at all as its all manly, fair stuff until those hallions from Galway or Kilkenny get involved later on in the championship does irk me. His old buddy Ger lock is another proponent of this mindset as well.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
+1
Quote from: deiseach on July 19, 2013, 10:19:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
+1
Waterford threw that one away last night, Deise. Young Prendergast must surely regret his folly of his challenge. Thought he was lucky not to get a straight red, but the two yellows had the same affect. Clare took a foothold in the game after that and opened up the lead Waterford tried hard to make inroads into but you could never see the goal coming they needed.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 19, 2013, 10:33:46 AM
Waterford threw that one away last night, Deise. Young Prendergast must surely regret his folly of his challenge. Thought he was lucky not to get a straight red, but the two yellows had the same affect. Clare took a foothold in the game after that and opened up the lead Waterford tried hard to make inroads into but you could never see the goal coming they needed.
The red card changed the game all right. Prendergast's foul was a high yellow (so to speak) so even if the first yellow was soft he could have no complaints. Disappointing, but there you go. Minors up on Tuesday, hope they can close it out this time.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 19, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
Munster hurling is one of the glorious mysteries. At least in Munster.
I've a soft spot for the Munster championship after being shipped down to Munster finals since I was 14 or so in the back of a car for 5 or 6 hours. I'd never witnessed anything like them in my young life and its stayed with me ever since, however some of the bullshit that comes with it from Considine and the likes who I think is has a very astute hurling mind but gets clouded with this mystical stuff that you almost don't need a referee at all as its all manly, fair stuff until those hallions from Galway or Kilkenny get involved later on in the championship does irk me. His old buddy Ger lock is another proponent of this mindset as well.
There are thousands of hurling games played every year.
There are FOUR !!!! games in the Munster SHC.
You'd think it was the other way round seeing how those gang go on about it.
Sure you could play the whole fcukin thing in 3 weeks and get it out of the way - preferably in January :-*
There's alot I don't understand about Munster hurling meself.
Like - let's have a mad pitch invasion so we can try poke the eye out of one of the players.
Like - who's gonna be the first to shout like a mad hoor halfway through Amhrán na bhFíann.
Like - let's bump and bate and swing and slash before the ball is threw in at all.
Ah,well, I suppose it's the greatest show on Earth. The Munster hurling champions always go on to win the All-Ireland. Dont they? Don't they?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 19, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
Munster hurling is one of the glorious mysteries. At least in Munster.
I've a soft spot for the Munster championship after being shipped down to Munster finals since I was 14 or so in the back of a car for 5 or 6 hours. I'd never witnessed anything like them in my young life and its stayed with me ever since, however some of the bullshit that comes with it from Considine and the likes who I think is has a very astute hurling mind but gets clouded with this mystical stuff that you almost don't need a referee at all as its all manly, fair stuff until those hallions from Galway or Kilkenny get involved later on in the championship does irk me. His old buddy Ger lock is another proponent of this mindset as well.
There are thousands of hurling games played every year.
There are FOUR !!!! games in the Munster SHC.
You'd think it was the other way round seeing how those gang go on about it.
Sure you could play the whole fcukin thing in 3 weeks and get it out of the way - preferably in January :-*
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0720/463644-horgan-eligible-to-play-against-kilkenny/
Patrick Horgan is available next week now after the red card was rescinded. I thought myself it was a harsh call but didn't think it would be overturned either. Cork will be happy with that.
Quote from: waterfordlad on July 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0720/463644-horgan-eligible-to-play-against-kilkenny/
Patrick Horgan is available next week now after the red card was rescinded. I thought myself it was a harsh call but didn't think it would be overturned either. Cork will be happy with that.
I'm glad for Horgan that he can play against Kilkenny and it cetainly increases the chances of an upset there, but James McGrath might not feel too happy with Pat McEnaney. As someone said earlier in the thread, if Pat gave referees instructions to be very strict on any strikes to the head, he should really have come out publicly in support of McGrath when this thing blew up in the media.
What do we think of the quarter-finals anyway?
Cork with Horgan back should be good enough to cause lots of problems for Kilkenny. They should run at the Kilkenny defence any chance they get. Also I think Paul Murphy has become Kilkenny's best defender over thelast year and he's so dominant in his corner that Cork should avoid hitting the ball in there. If Fennelly is back it would obviously be huge for Kilkenny. I think Henry is done - there's only so much a body can take. I fancy Cork to run Kilkenny really close, but the Cats will probably find a way. Hopefully not.
Galway are bizarrely, bookies favorites against Clare, even though very few people fancy them to win, especially in Galway . I didn't like to bet against my own county for the Dublin game even though I expected them to lose but I might this time. I think we'll need to get a couple of extra bodies back into defence to deal with Clare's pace and short-passing style. Some of our backs (Kavanagh, Hynes, Cooney) will get skint for pace if they're left 1-on-1.
Clare are in a much better place than Galway and are great value at 6/5. Galway are 4/5 but I'd make them realisticaly about a 5/2 shot because they've been awful all year and you can't just turn it on. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if we're not beaten.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 20, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
What do we think of the quarter-finals anyway?
Cork with Horgan back should be good enough to cause lots of problems for Kilkenny. They should run at the Kilkenny defence any chance they get. Also I think Paul Murphy has become Kilkenny's best defender over thelast year and he's so dominant in his corner that Cork should avoid hitting the ball in there. If Fennelly is back it would obviously be huge for Kilkenny. I think Henry is done - there's only so much a body can take. I fancy Cork to run Kilkenny really close, but the Cats will probably find a way. Hopefully not.
Galway are bizarrely, bookies favorites against Clare, even though very few people fancy them to win, especially in Galway . I didn't like to bet against my own county for the Dublin game even though I expected them to lose but I might this time. I think we'll need to get a couple of extra bodies back into defence to deal with Clare's pace and short-passing style. Some of our backs (Kavanagh, Hynes, Cooney) will get skint for pace if they're left 1-on-1.
Clare are in a much better place than Galway and are great value at 6/5. Galway are 4/5 but I'd make them realisticaly about a 5/2 shot because they've been awful all year and you can't just turn it on. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if we're not beaten.
Cork probably do have the pace to bother the Kilkenny backs alright, but I'd be concerned with their defenses inability to deal with catching forwards and Kilkenny have a good smattering of them. If Cork don't work out how to stop these lads catching then I expect Kilkenny to find their goal scoring touch again so that'd require a huge effort from the Cork forwards to stay in the game. I think Kilkenny will come out the other side of this one as its still a year or so too early for this Cork team.
If Kilkenny are to lift the AI this year it would be some achievement as they'd have beat Offaly, Tipp, Waterford, Cork, and another two teams to do that not to mention the two games they came out the wrong end of against Dublin.
What of Galway? Who to god knows, they could win by 7 or 8 if they're right but could lose by the same margin if they're anything like they started against Dublin. They played better in the second half of that game and would need to continue that progress to get over Clare. It's really hard to see some of their players being as bad and jittery again, maybe the Dublin game is the kick in the nads they need to push on.
Clare will want it more and go at it from the word go, but may struggle to contain Joe if he gets enough ball into him. They threaten big things but are still falling short. Need another few years to mentally toughen up.
If Galway turn up then I think they'll win by 3 or 4.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 22, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 20, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
What do we think of the quarter-finals anyway?
Cork with Horgan back should be good enough to cause lots of problems for Kilkenny. They should run at the Kilkenny defence any chance they get. Also I think Paul Murphy has become Kilkenny's best defender over thelast year and he's so dominant in his corner that Cork should avoid hitting the ball in there. If Fennelly is back it would obviously be huge for Kilkenny. I think Henry is done - there's only so much a body can take. I fancy Cork to run Kilkenny really close, but the Cats will probably find a way. Hopefully not.
Galway are bizarrely, bookies favorites against Clare, even though very few people fancy them to win, especially in Galway . I didn't like to bet against my own county for the Dublin game even though I expected them to lose but I might this time. I think we'll need to get a couple of extra bodies back into defence to deal with Clare's pace and short-passing style. Some of our backs (Kavanagh, Hynes, Cooney) will get skint for pace if they're left 1-on-1.
Clare are in a much better place than Galway and are great value at 6/5. Galway are 4/5 but I'd make them realisticaly about a 5/2 shot because they've been awful all year and you can't just turn it on. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if we're not beaten.
Cork probably do have the pace to bother the Kilkenny backs alright, but I'd be concerned with their defenses inability to deal with catching forwards and Kilkenny have a good smattering of them. If Cork don't work out how to stop these lads catching then I expect Kilkenny to find their goal scoring touch again so that'd require a huge effort from the Cork forwards to stay in the game. I think Kilkenny will come out the other side of this one as its still a year or so too early for this Cork team.
If Kilkenny are to lift the AI this year it would be some achievement as they'd have beat Offaly, Tipp, Waterford, Cork, and another two teams to do that not to mention the two games they came out the wrong end of against Dublin.
What of Galway? Who to god knows, they could win by 7 or 8 if they're right but could lose by the same margin if they're anything like they started against Dublin. They played better in the second half of that game and would need to continue that progress to get over Clare. It's really hard to see some of their players being as bad and jittery again, maybe the Dublin game is the kick in the nads they need to push on.
Clare will want it more and go at it from the word go, but may struggle to contain Joe if he gets enough ball into him. They threaten big things but are still falling short. Need another few years to mentally toughen up.
If Galway turn up then I think they'll win by 3 or 4.
I'm going for Clare -2, I really like Galway and would love to see them lift Liam but they are relying way too much on Joe, they have plenty of great players but they struggle to play as a team. Get that sorted then they can certainly beat any team
Quote from: waterfordlad on July 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0720/463644-horgan-eligible-to-play-against-kilkenny/
Patrick Horgan is available next week now after the red card was rescinded. I thought myself it was a harsh call but didn't think it would be overturned either. Cork will be happy with that.
Were any grounds given for the Appeal and/or the ultimate overturning of the Red card? Don't give me this "it was a harsh decision" crap; the ref was absolutely 100% correct in applying the letter of the rule-book. Horgan did hit with his hurley on the back of the head and the rule book even specifies that only minimal force justifies the red card.
So was it some stupid technicality, some Irish spelling mistake on the Ref's report, did Frank Murphy cough three times as the duck quacked and the whole CCCC bowed down to his beck-and-call, .....
If no appropriate explanation for this acquittal is published, then all Referees should quit and tell the GAA Hierarchy to basically "back me or sack me". Once again, the GAA's rule book is an embarrassing joke.
Quote from: The Biff on July 22, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: waterfordlad on July 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0720/463644-horgan-eligible-to-play-against-kilkenny/
Patrick Horgan is available next week now after the red card was rescinded. I thought myself it was a harsh call but didn't think it would be overturned either. Cork will be happy with that.
Were any grounds given for the Appeal and/or the ultimate overturning of the Red card? Don't give me this "it was a harsh decision" crap; the ref was absolutely 100% correct in applying the letter of the rule-book. Horgan did hit with his hurley on the back of the head and the rule book even specifies that only minimal force justifies the red card.
So was it some stupid technicality, some Irish spelling mistake on the Ref's report, did Frank Murphy cough three times as the duck quacked and the whole CCCC bowed down to his beck-and-call, .....
If no appropriate explanation for this acquittal is published, then all Referees should quit and tell the GAA Hierarchy to basically "back me or sack me". Once again, the GAA's rule book is an embarrassing joke.
+1
Referees write the report and CCCC do their thing. Has ( appeals) nothing to do with the referee what really happens afterwards.
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on July 19, 2013, 11:19:55 AM
There's alot I don't understand about Munster hurling meself.
Like - let's have a mad pitch invasion so we can try poke the eye out of one of the players.
Like - who's gonna be the first to shout like a mad hoor halfway through Amhrán na bhFíann.
Like - let's bump and bate and swing and slash before the ball is threw in at all.
Ah,well, I suppose it's the greatest show on Earth. The Munster hurling champions always go on to win the All-Ireland. Dont they? Don't they?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 19, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 19, 2013, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 17, 2013, 09:59:44 PM
I see that Clare floot Considine slated the ref in the Cork Examiner saying among other things that he shouldn't have been picked to ref the game as "he doesn't understand Munster hurling". ::)
Talk about "hurlingman" snobbishness - "ya can't have a man from bloody Westmeath reffin a hurling game"
As far as I know the oul T.O. has only one set of playing rules for hurling.
Munster hurling is one of the glorious mysteries. At least in Munster.
I've a soft spot for the Munster championship after being shipped down to Munster finals since I was 14 or so in the back of a car for 5 or 6 hours. I'd never witnessed anything like them in my young life and its stayed with me ever since, however some of the bullshit that comes with it from Considine and the likes who I think is has a very astute hurling mind but gets clouded with this mystical stuff that you almost don't need a referee at all as its all manly, fair stuff until those hallions from Galway or Kilkenny get involved later on in the championship does irk me. His old buddy Ger lock is another proponent of this mindset as well.
There are thousands of hurling games played every year.
There are FOUR !!!! games in the Munster SHC.
You'd think it was the other way round seeing how those gang go on about it.
Sure you could play the whole fcukin thing in 3 weeks and get it out of the way - preferably in January :-*
:D
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 20, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
What do we think of the quarter-finals anyway?
Cork with Horgan back should be good enough to cause lots of problems for Kilkenny. They should run at the Kilkenny defence any chance they get. Also I think Paul Murphy has become Kilkenny's best defender over thelast year and he's so dominant in his corner that Cork should avoid hitting the ball in there. If Fennelly is back it would obviously be huge for Kilkenny. I think Henry is done - there's only so much a body can take. I fancy Cork to run Kilkenny really close, but the Cats will probably find a way. Hopefully not.
Galway are bizarrely, bookies favorites against Clare, even though very few people fancy them to win, especially in Galway . I didn't like to bet against my own county for the Dublin game even though I expected them to lose but I might this time. I think we'll need to get a couple of extra bodies back into defence to deal with Clare's pace and short-passing style. Some of our backs (Kavanagh, Hynes, Cooney) will get skint for pace if they're left 1-on-1.
Clare are in a much better place than Galway and are great value at 6/5. Galway are 4/5 but I'd make them realisticaly about a 5/2 shot because they've been awful all year and you can't just turn it on. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if we're not beaten.
Don't know about Clare. Granted they are young and they are putting up some big scores but they completely folded in the 2nd half of the Munster semi-final against a IMO fairly average Cork side. Plus their full-back line is very shaky if Galway can get any amount of decent ball in there they will get goals. I expect Davy may try and double mark Joe though. The Galway side of last year would eat them alive especially physically. However we haven't seen that Galway side at all so far this year and lads that were in flying form last year look a bit heavy legged this year. A certain leap of faith has to be taken that they will finally show up next weekend knowing that if they lose their Summer is over.
Yeah Clare aren't great and I heard Tony Kelly might be an injury doubt after bursting a blood vessel in his eye in the u-21 game against Waterford. He's the Clare player I'd fear most.
I hope ye're right GBB and Johnny and that Galway come good to some degree. If they do they will beat Clare. We'll know a bit more when the team is named. Hynes has to go from full-back though I'd like to see him given a chance in the half-back or half-forward line. J Cooney, James Regan, Conor Cooney, Niall Burke and David Burke are struggling and I'd like to see them replaced. Obviously the two Burkes are good enough for this level but not the way they're playing right now. There's a lot more players out of form too but I'd start with those. I'm hoping Donoghue, Hayes, Smith, Glynn and maybe Tony Og or Aidan Harte come in.
We could still win this All-Ireland and we can certainly beat Clare who are only decent if we can get it together. There's a lot of talk about in-fighting, Cunningham favoring St. Thomas players, and more bitching, whinging, excuses etc. in the Galway camp but 1 win would go a long way to sorting those things out. I'd expect Clare to try to stop Joe by any means possible so the other players will have to stand up and do it if they really are good enough.
A knowledgable Galway poster on the Hoganstand forum says that Cunningham is going to make 6 or 7 changes from the Leinster Final. This guy is usually right about these things. He says Hayes, Donoghue, Smith, Glynn, Callanan and Harte will start against Clare. I'd be a lot more hopeful about our chances if that's true.
Quote from: The Biff on July 22, 2013, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: waterfordlad on July 20, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0720/463644-horgan-eligible-to-play-against-kilkenny/
Patrick Horgan is available next week now after the red card was rescinded. I thought myself it was a harsh call but didn't think it would be overturned either. Cork will be happy with that.
Were any grounds given for the Appeal and/or the ultimate overturning of the Red card? Don't give me this "it was a harsh decision" crap; the ref was absolutely 100% correct in applying the letter of the rule-book. Horgan did hit with his hurley on the back of the head and the rule book even specifies that only minimal force justifies the red card.
So was it some stupid technicality, some Irish spelling mistake on the Ref's report, did Frank Murphy cough three times as the duck quacked and the whole CCCC bowed down to his beck-and-call, .....
If no appropriate explanation for this acquittal is published, then all Referees should quit and tell the GAA Hierarchy to basically "back me or sack me". Once again, the GAA's rule book is an embarrassing joke.
Biff, you're right that if they went by the letter of the law there's no way Horgan's card should have been overturned, and they should issue a brief statement explaining their decision but maybe the members of the committee felt (like most hurling fans) that Horgan's strike just wasn't tha bad and certainly not malicious. There were a few mitigating factors as they say.
1. The sun was in his eyes.
2. The ball hit the Limerick player on the head causing him to go down. If he hadn't gone down, Horgan probably would only have gotten a yellow.
3. Horgan is a good lad and a very fair player. They probably didn't want to end his summer for something that was accidental and not even dangereous.
If that was their thought process then I'd say that was fair enough but they should come out and say that and also say that James McGrath was correct in the decision he made on the day.
McGrath has been treated badly in all of this.
I don't think we need a rule book that has to be followed to the letter and isn't open to applying a bit of common sense.
maybe
but the referee has been hung out to dry for this decision with no support from the head of the referees.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 24, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
maybe
but the referee has been hung out to dry for this decision with no support from the head of the referees.
Totally agree. Pat McEnaney made a big deal about the lack of red cards in last years hurling championship, and pretty much intimated that the referees were being too leniant.
Haven't heard any comment from him about the Horgan sending off or the red card being rescinded (-or maybe I haven't been reading the right papers)
And then they wonder why people are so reluctant to take up refereeing ::)
or why hurling refs ignore loads of fouls so everyone will praise them for "letting the game flow" :-\ :-\
So from now on is it all right for hurlers to whack other hurlers on the head once -
1- it's a sunny day
2- the ball might hit yer man anyway
3- I was never sent off before
4- I'm from Cork
5 - I didn't hit him too hard
6- Th'oul ref was stickin to the rule book which as we all know only applies to those lesser breeds who play football
7 - I'm a nice clean player
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
The Limerick player, Paudie O' Brien helped Horgan get off. He offered to travel to the hearing to speak for Horgan and he wrote a letter to the disciplinary committee saying that the sliotar was what caused him to go down. Well done Paudie. It's great to see that because diving is becoming a problem in hurling. The Sunday Game could help to stamp it out by drawing attention to it like they do with striking or off-the-ball stuff. Danny Sutcliffe rolled around like an Italian footballer in the Leinster Final, in an attemt to get David Burke sent off and a blind eye was turned by the analysts.
Perhaps the analysts were focusing more on the reason why Sutcliffe was on the ground and why Burke was sent of for putting him there.
Quote from: Sean3 on July 25, 2013, 08:15:06 AM
Perhaps the analysts were focusing more on the reason why Sutcliffe was on the ground and why Burke was sent of for putting him there.
He got a yellow - should have been red
Admittedly Burke did give him a little pokeen with the hurl, but he didn't shove a broadsword through his stomach, as Sutcliffe's reaction suggested.
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 08:23:03 AM
Admittedly Burke did give hime a little pokeen with the butt of the hurl. He didn't shove a broadsword through his stomach though, as Sutcliffe's reaction suggested.
You get the butt of the hurl in your ribs and you'll know all about it - should have seen red.
Your 7 point plan is correct, Rossfan. Just one proviso - that was always the way, not just 'from now on'.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 24, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
And then they wonder why people are so reluctant to take up refereeing ::)
or why hurling refs ignore loads of fouls so everyone will praise them for "letting the game flow" :-\ :-\
So from now on is it all right for hurlers to whack other hurlers on the head once -
1- it's a sunny day
2- the ball might hit yer man anyway
3- I was never sent off before
4- I'm from Cork
5 - I didn't hit him too hard
6- Th'oul ref was stickin to the rule book which as we all know only applies to those lesser breeds who play football
7 - I'm a nice clean player
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 08:23:03 AM
Admittedly Burke did give him a little pokeen with the hurl, but he didn't shove a broadsword through his stomach, as Sutcliffe's reaction suggested.
What's a little pokeen? ;D
With all the core work being done by these lads it probably didn't hurt too much, BUT, it was still;
"I think that if a strike is
1. deliberate or
2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension"
then he should have walked....
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 02:36:19 AM
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
It was at best reckless in my view and in the split second the ref had to decide - he went by the rules and sent him off correctly.
Suspension - leave that to the CCCC or whoever.
I once heard an old Tipp hurler ( of all people :o) saying that the first thing a hurler needs is discipline as he's going out on a field with a lethal weapon in his hands and must take care when/where he swings it and act responsibly at all times.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 02:36:19 AM
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
It was at best reckless in my view and in the split second the ref had to decide - he went by the rules and sent him off correctly.
Suspension - leave that to the CCCC or whoever.
I once heard an old Tipp hurler ( of all people :o) saying that the first thing a hurler needs is discipline as he's going out on a field with a lethal weapon in his hands and must take care when/where he swings it and act responsibly at all times.
exactly, and if you are intent on digging a lad forcefully into the ribs with the hurley then you've already lost the hurling battle
controlled aggression was how I would describe hurling
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 02:36:19 AM
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
It was at best reckless in my view and in the split second the ref had to decide - he went by the rules and sent him off correctly.
Suspension - leave that to the CCCC or whoever.
I once heard an old Tipp hurler ( of all people :o) saying that the first thing a hurler needs is discipline as he's going out on a field with a lethal weapon in his hands and must take care when/where he swings it and act responsibly at all times.
Was he from Tipp or had played for Tipp?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 25, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 02:36:19 AM
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
It was at best reckless in my view and in the split second the ref had to decide - he went by the rules and sent him off correctly.
Suspension - leave that to the CCCC or whoever.
I once heard an old Tipp hurler ( of all people :o) saying that the first thing a hurler needs is discipline as he's going out on a field with a lethal weapon in his hands and must take care when/where he swings it and act responsibly at all times.
Was he from Tipp or had played for Tipp?
Happened on it on Tipp FM while driving through Offaly one day so not too sure who he was. The interviewer asked him about his own playing days a few times so I suspect he was an ex County player.
He had a fine Kilnascully accent anyway :D Dats riyatttt :D
By Joe Dooley
I'm sure the Kilkenny players and management were very relieved to have a couple of weeks to prepare for this Sunday's All-Ireland quarter final with Cork (throw in 2pm).
They have had a tough few weeks coping with the loss of key players through injury and playing five tough championship games. The last two in particular against Tipperary and Waterford were both pulsating knock out championship encounters that went right down to the wire.
Their victory over a very game Waterford team was one of their best wins ever as their character was tested like never before. When Waterford drew level with a goal in the second half of extra time you would have expected the favorites to fold but instead they tagged on three great points from play to seal a famous victory.
That passage of play could yet prove to be a key turning point in their year.
There is no doubt but as a team, they are struggling to find fluency to their play and are not rattling the onion bag as regularly as they normally do. It's hard to believe that they have only managed to score one goal from play in five and half games and conceded eight.
"For Cork to beat Kilkenny they will need to up the work rate all over the field"
As I said in my preview before the Waterford game, all they want to do for now is keep winning and address the lack of goals when they get a chance to do so on the training field.
I would expect a completely fresher and sharper Kilkenny team to take the field this Sunday. With the break and a number of key players getting fitter they are building momentum and if they can get over Cork they will take beating.
Their biggest danger is complacency and Sunday's game against Cork is a game that will require a much better all round performance than was displayed against Tipperary or Waterford if they are to advance.
This is a very tricky game for Kilkenny who because of these victories are expected to advance but if they are thinking this way down Noreside then that is the rock they could perish on.
Brian Cody is getting back into a situation where he now has serious competition again for places. The return of Michael Fennelly is a huge boost and helped turn the Waterford game. Richie Hogan, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Larkin and Richie Power in particular have all lifted their game in recent weeks.
Further improvements will be required from these and others to get over Cork who have a very young and fast team and if given space will punish you. Henry is unlikely to be started.
Cork were boosted by the news that Pat Horgan has been cleared to play following his sending off against Limerick in the Munster final and nobody would disagree with that decision.
Cork never really clicked into gear in that game even though they should have been a few points ahead at half time with the amount of possession they had but failed to make good use of it. The sending off of Horgan just before the break really finished the game as a contest.
Jimmy Barry Murphy will have been very disappointed with his team's performance and you would expect a big improvement for this weekend. The big loss of their under-21 team to Tipperary since that game will not have done much for the confidence of the younger players.
Their forward line came in for a lot of criticism after the Limerick game but in fairness they were down a man for all of the second half and playing into the wind.
Both Pa Cronin and Seamus Harnedy in particular worked very hard but more is required of Conor Lehane, Cian McCarthy and Luke O'Farrell. Shane O'Neill was Cork's best player on the day and he got good support from Conor O'Sullivan and Christopher Joyce.
Remember they had a very good win over Clare and I think they underestimated how good Limerick are in the Munster final. Cork are a better team than we saw in the Gaelic grounds.
For Cork to beat Kilkenny they will need to up the work rate all over the field and I think that they need a better balance to the type of players they start in the forward division.
Michael Cussen may be an option from the start. Many of the Cork players up front are very similar type hurlers. More direct ball into the danger area might create more goal chances. Remember Cork have not scored a goal in two championship games this year.
Nothing would give Cork greater pleasure than to knock Kilkenny out of the championship but I do not think it will happen this Sunday.
Kilkenny will focus on getting their own game right and I would expect them to get through with a few points to spare with their greater experience and overall strength of their back line being the key factors.
Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
By Joe Dooley
I'm sure the Kilkenny players and management were very relieved to have a couple of weeks to prepare for this Sunday's All-Ireland quarter final with Cork (throw in 2pm).
They have had a tough few weeks coping with the loss of key players through injury and playing five tough championship games. The last two in particular against Tipperary and Waterford were both pulsating knock out championship encounters that went right down to the wire.
Their victory over a very game Waterford team was one of their best wins ever as their character was tested like never before. When Waterford drew level with a goal in the second half of extra time you would have expected the favorites to fold but instead they tagged on three great points from play to seal a famous victory.
That passage of play could yet prove to be a key turning point in their year.
There is no doubt but as a team, they are struggling to find fluency to their play and are not rattling the onion bag as regularly as they normally do. It's hard to believe that they have only managed to score one goal from play in five and half games and conceded eight.
"For Cork to beat Kilkenny they will need to up the work rate all over the field"
As I said in my preview before the Waterford game, all they want to do for now is keep winning and address the lack of goals when they get a chance to do so on the training field.
I would expect a completely fresher and sharper Kilkenny team to take the field this Sunday. With the break and a number of key players getting fitter they are building momentum and if they can get over Cork they will take beating.
Their biggest danger is complacency and Sunday's game against Cork is a game that will require a much better all round performance than was displayed against Tipperary or Waterford if they are to advance.
This is a very tricky game for Kilkenny who because of these victories are expected to advance but if they are thinking this way down Noreside then that is the rock they could perish on.
Brian Cody is getting back into a situation where he now has serious competition again for places. The return of Michael Fennelly is a huge boost and helped turn the Waterford game. Richie Hogan, Colin Fennelly, Eoin Larkin and Richie Power in particular have all lifted their game in recent weeks.
Further improvements will be required from these and others to get over Cork who have a very young and fast team and if given space will punish you. Henry is unlikely to be started.
Cork were boosted by the news that Pat Horgan has been cleared to play following his sending off against Limerick in the Munster final and nobody would disagree with that decision.
Cork never really clicked into gear in that game even though they should have been a few points ahead at half time with the amount of possession they had but failed to make good use of it. The sending off of Horgan just before the break really finished the game as a contest.
Jimmy Barry Murphy will have been very disappointed with his team's performance and you would expect a big improvement for this weekend. The big loss of their under-21 team to Tipperary since that game will not have done much for the confidence of the younger players.
Their forward line came in for a lot of criticism after the Limerick game but in fairness they were down a man for all of the second half and playing into the wind.
Both Pa Cronin and Seamus Harnedy in particular worked very hard but more is required of Conor Lehane, Cian McCarthy and Luke O'Farrell. Shane O'Neill was Cork's best player on the day and he got good support from Conor O'Sullivan and Christopher Joyce.
Remember they had a very good win over Clare and I think they underestimated how good Limerick are in the Munster final. Cork are a better team than we saw in the Gaelic grounds.
For Cork to beat Kilkenny they will need to up the work rate all over the field and I think that they need a better balance to the type of players they start in the forward division.
Michael Cussen may be an option from the start. Many of the Cork players up front are very similar type hurlers. More direct ball into the danger area might create more goal chances. Remember Cork have not scored a goal in two championship games this year.
Nothing would give Cork greater pleasure than to knock Kilkenny out of the championship but I do not think it will happen this Sunday.
Kilkenny will focus on getting their own game right and I would expect them to get through with a few points to spare with their greater experience and overall strength of their back line being the key factors.
Joe obviously doesn't read our board.
With regard to the Burke / Sutcliffe one I'm not defending David Burke. If he'd been sent off he couldn't have complained but Sutcliffe's theatrics were not something we want to see on a GAA pitch.
Quote from: orangeman on July 25, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
Their victory over a very game Waterford team was one of their best wins ever as their character was tested like never before. When Waterford drew level with a goal in the second half of extra time you would have expected the favorites to fold but instead they tagged on three great points from play to seal a famous victory.
Who thought this? Anyone?
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2013, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 25, 2013, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 25, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 25, 2013, 02:36:19 AM
Rossfan, I think that if a strike is 1. deliberate or 2. reckless and dangerous then the player deserves a suspension. I didn't think Horgan's strike was either. If you think it deserved a red card and a suspension, then fair enough.
It was at best reckless in my view and in the split second the ref had to decide - he went by the rules and sent him off correctly.
Suspension - leave that to the CCCC or whoever.
I once heard an old Tipp hurler ( of all people :o) saying that the first thing a hurler needs is discipline as he's going out on a field with a lethal weapon in his hands and must take care when/where he swings it and act responsibly at all times.
Was he from Tipp or had played for Tipp?
Happened on it on Tipp FM while driving through Offaly one day so not too sure who he was. The interviewer asked him about his own playing days a few times so I suspect he was an ex County player.
He had a fine Kilnascully accent anyway :D Dats riyatttt :D
I'd suggest he didn't play too much for Tipp if he took care every time he swung his hurl.
The Cork game really depends on who's available for both teams... and how fit they are. Lorcan McLoughlin was absolutely terrible against Limerick. Hopefully, he's fit enough to turn in a performance against Kilkenny. If Fennelly is playing, Cork will need McLoughlin fit to combat Fennelly in midfield.
Tipp and Waterford both lost to Kilkenny because their half-forward lines were cleaned out by the Kilkenny half-backs. They were losing ball after ball and they didn't change tactics. Neither teams had any great ball winners in the half forward lines. Cork have Pa Cronin, who is brilliant in the air. He wasn't as good as he usually is against Limerick but if he's on-song, he will be a very good option for Nash's puckouts. One player who can win ball in the half-forward line won't be enough, though. Kilkenny have three strong half-backs capable of competing with Cronin. Lehane is good in the air for a player who is not that tall, but he hasn't played great so far this year. Cian McCarthy is capable of competing in the air some days, but those days don't come around often enough. Seamus Harnedy is our next best option, but, in my opinion, we need him at full forward line as he caused Limerick problems in there the last day out.
If Shane O'Neill isn't playing, I don't think we have much hope. He is our best defender and probably our only defender capable of marking Richie Hogan, who is, in my opinion, Kilkennys best forward at the moment. If Cork can keep Hogan quiet, I think they have a great chance of winning and I think the only way to keep Hogan quiet is to put O'Neill on him.
Quote from: CorkMan on July 25, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
If Shane O'Neill isn't playing, I don't think we have much hope. He is our best defender and probably our only defender capable of marking Richie Hogan, who is, in my opinion, Kilkennys best forward at the moment. If Cork can keep Hogan quiet, I think they have a great chance of winning and I think the only way to keep Hogan quiet is to put O'Neill on him.
Good analysis Corkman and you're right about Hogan. Kilkenny's main men now are Paul Murphy, Brian Hogan, Fennelly and Richie Hogan. The fact that they've gotten two of those players back since the loss to Dublin makes them hot favorites for the All-Ireland again.
Quote from: CorkMan on July 25, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
The Cork game really depends on who's available for both teams... and how fit they are. Lorcan McLoughlin was absolutely terrible against Limerick. Hopefully, he's fit enough to turn in a performance against Kilkenny. If Fennelly is playing, Cork will need McLoughlin fit to combat Fennelly in midfield.
Tipp and Waterford both lost to Kilkenny because their half-forward lines were cleaned out by the Kilkenny half-backs. They were losing ball after ball and they didn't change tactics. Neither teams had any great ball winners in the half forward lines. Cork have Pa Cronin, who is brilliant in the air. He wasn't as good as he usually is against Limerick but if he's on-song, he will be a very good option for Nash's puckouts. One player who can win ball in the half-forward line won't be enough, though. Kilkenny have three strong half-backs capable of competing with Cronin. Lehane is good in the air for a player who is not that tall, but he hasn't played great so far this year. Cian McCarthy is capable of competing in the air some days, but those days don't come around often enough. Seamus Harnedy is our next best option, but, in my opinion, we need him at full forward line as he caused Limerick problems in there the last day out.
If Shane O'Neill isn't playing, I don't think we have much hope. He is our best defender and probably our only defender capable of marking Richie Hogan, who is, in my opinion, Kilkennys best forward at the moment. If Cork can keep Hogan quiet, I think they have a great chance of winning and I think the only way to keep Hogan quiet is to put O'Neill on him.
When Waterford pushed Kevin Moran into midfield and he was able to run at the Kilkenny defence they were struggling in a big way and its what Dublin and Galway last year did successfully. Pump high ball and puck outs on top of them is folly.
Nash would be better dropping 20 yards off his puck outs in and around midfield than booming them on top of Brian Hogan who'll want to lie deep in front of JJ and Harnedy if he's full forward. Corks 50/60 yard passing off the hurl was pretty decent in the first half vrs Limerick but this possession didn't yield the scores it should have, that cutting edge will need to be found for a realistic tilt at Kilkenny.
At the other end Cork defenders should forget about catching the ball themselves, especially their full back and go all out in spoiling the Kilkenny catching as Kilkenny will eat them up and shít them out if they win the aerial battle irrespective of what the Cork forwards are doing up the field.
As Kilkenny seem to be gathering momentum it'll take a performance from this Cork team that we haven't seen as yet to beat them.
I think its the Cats by 5.
The Cork team to play Kilkenny in the All-Ireland SHC Quarter-Final on Sunday at 2pm in Thurles will line out as follows:
1. Anthony Nash
Kanturk
2. Shane O'Neill 3. Stephen McDonnell 4. Conor O'Sullivan
Bishopstown Glen Rovers Sarsfields
5. Tom Kenny 6. Christopher Joyce 7. William Egan
Grenagh Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin
8. Lorcan Mc Loughlin 9. Daniel Kearney
Kanturk Sarsfields
10. Conor Lehane 11. Seamus Harnedy 12. Pa Cronin
Midleton St. Ita's Bishopstown
13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Patrick Horgan 15. Jamie Coughlan
Midleton Glen Rovers Newtownshandrum
16. Darren McCarthy Ballymartle
17. Kilian Murphy Erin's Own
18. Mark Ellis Millstreet
19. Stephen White Ballygarvan
20. Rob O'Shea Carrigaline
21. Cian McCarthy Sarsfields
22. Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
23. Stephen Moylan Douglas
24. Michael Cussen Sarsfields
25. Michael O'Sullivan Tracton
26. Eoin Keane St. Finbarr's
M.Fennelly starts at midfield & Shefflin starts at corner Forward.
Amazed to see Shefflin starting for Kilkenny. I can't imagine him being back up to inter-county speed but I suppose Cody knows what he's doing at this stage. Kilkenny are looking very ominous again though and are back in to 11/8 for the All-Ireland.
The Galway team has been named:
Callanan;
Moore , Hynes Coen;
Kavanagh, Collins, Grealish;
A Harte, A Smith;
D Burke, C Cooney, J Glynn;
D Hayes, J Canning, N Burke
I'm a lot happier with that team. Grealish, Glynn, Harte, Hayes, Callanan and Smith are all big additions who are in better form than the lads they were replacing. Tannian and Donnellan might make an impact off the bench.
I'm sure we'll see positional switches. Coen will probably mark Tony Kelly. Hynes might not start full-back(hopefully not- he'd be better around midfield). He might be moved out the field with Kavanagh going to no.3. Kavanagh does have a broken toe so hopefully he'll be able to perform. Surprised Niall Donoghue isn't in the team.
Damien Hayes will play around the middle and Niall Burke was very poor in the corner the last day, so he's more likely to play in the half- forwards, with Glynn going in to the full- forward line. It's good to see Cunningham having the courage to make these changes and I fancy Galway to win this game now.
Looking good for Cork.
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 02:58:05 PM
How is Shane O'Neill still on the field? He should have been booked twice in the 1st half, then pulls across a fella for the penalty. Joke.
Agree with you 100%. Terrible from the referee.
Poor decision making by the referee and the umpires.
The end of a great Kilkenny side will be talking about them for years. This years All Ireland is wide open now.
Delighted ;D
Shefflin will be disappointed but it was two harsh cards I think.
Rebels won't win AI
Clare won't
So it's Lim v Dub in final with Lim my choice.
No Tipp!
No Cats!
Has to be Corks year?
The more things change the more they stay the same! :-\
Does this mean Cork are playing Dublin in semi final regardless of Galway Clare result?
30 AI medals to be handed out to new men this year ! No-one left has one apparently
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
I reckon the Dubs will do the double this year.
What an AI final double loss?
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 28, 2013, 03:49:45 PM
30 AI medals to be handed out to new men this year ! No-one left has one apparently
Tom Kenny of Cork would have one would he not ?
Quote from: Minder on July 28, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 28, 2013, 03:49:45 PM
30 AI medals to be handed out to new men this year ! No-one left has one apparently
Tom Kenny of Cork would have one would he not ?
aye he probably would OK. I just believed Mary Morrissey without checking ! Lazy journalism !
Galway seem to be having their following season blues!
Some spoofing by the pundits today. Loads of talk about the "gameplan" but no one actually telling us what the "gameplan" was.
Fair play to Michael Lyster in asking what the benefit was in playing an extra man back, his question was just ignored.
KK,Tipp, GY and Wd all gone by semi final stage.
3 Div 2ish teams in the semis. 2 played there this year and Cork playing there next year, oh did I forget to mention Cork beat Clare in the relegation playoff.
Great stuff altogether.
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 05:12:44 PM
Canning having a mare here.
Fair fucks to him, beaten, disappointed, blood dripping from his head. Stays signing autographs for the kids.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on July 28, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 05:12:44 PM
Canning having a mare here.
Fair f**ks to him, beaten, disappointed, blood dripping from his head. Stays signing autographs for the kids.
True, the last place a losing team player wants to be.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on July 28, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 05:12:44 PM
Canning having a mare here.
Fair f**ks to him, beaten, disappointed, blood dripping from his head. Stays signing autographs for the kids.
+1
Is this the end of the road for the greatest team ever? surely some of these lads will retire now, or will they hang on too long like the great kerry team
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 28, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
Is this the end of the road for the greatest team ever? surely some of these lads will retire now, or will they hang on too long like the great kerry team
Damien Hayes and Andy Smith are getting on a bit but most of them will be back next year.
Firstly I think Cody was wrong to start Shefflin, he was a mile off the pace and I can't remember him striking leather from open play in the 33 odd minutes he was on the field, he looked a pale shadow of his former self. Maybe an injury free winter will allow him one more year to bow out in greater style. The sending off may have been harsh but the first one was a wild slap at a ball that was long gone and the hurl around the neck has been a point where the referees have been punishing all year and rightly so.
Kelly did make a royal hames of the restart, throwing the ball in when two lads were pucking the heads off each other right in his eye sight, then somehow Shane O'Neill escaped with a pull across Larkin after the dust had settled, then wee Tommy Walsh took leave of his senses and was almost on the goal line before the ball was hit. The Cork keeper learned enough from the retake, shuffled himself right along with the other Cork lad on the line and forced Power to to drive it down the middle where he saved it and the rebound that followed. Cork rode their luck but in Nash they've some keeper.
Credit to Kilkenny as playing with 14 for the full of the second half and with the run they had before the game it would have been easy for them to throw in the towel and Cork to pull away, but they didn't and that's the mark of a team who shouldn't be discounted in the coming years.
Fair fucks to Cork all the same, they moved the ball fast and wide, took most of the scoring opportunities that came their way and didn't allow many clean catches in their defence and with Harnedy out on Kieran Joyce had an outlet of their own. JBM seems to have the knack of getting the best out of what he has and (hopefully) they'll come up short this year, but will be a team to reckon with in the following years. This year deserves a team outside the big three to lift Liam McCarthy IMO.
They'll fancy their chances against Dublin, but Dublin won't fear them and will meet them in the pace game, but not sure Daly is a cute as JBM along the sideline to get his match ups right but so far Daly hasn't got much wrong either.
Clare were impressive to an extent, but still have that period in the second half where they let a team get back at them, Galway for all their disorganised look to them did make hay in this period with the two goals but Clare got back on track with some decent point taking. In Tony Kelly they've some player for a 19 year old. John Conlon seems to be off the boil a bit, maybe the concussion and another blow to the head area are having an affect on the lad. Canning seems to be getting a bit of stick, but Clare closed him down well and if there is a negative on Canning is that he tries to do it all and with so many of the Galway forwards under performing then thats hardly surprising. His ball into Healy for the goal was sublime.
Clares impressive look was aided by some terrible ball into the Galway forwards where the ball either dropped harmlessly in front of the keeper or was mopped up easily by Donnellan, Grealish in particular undid a lot of his good defensive work with some thoughtless balls forward.
Wee Davys charges will get a lot of confidence from their run and won't fear Limerick either. They might just undo Limerick as its a local derby and no love lost.
Limerick strangley enough are probably the most experienced team left in it with only Tom Kenny having played in an AI Final other than the Limerick lads.
Two Cork and two Clare men managing the remaining four teams, who'd have thought?
Made my way to Thurles yesterday and it was a great days entertainment. Pretty accurate summation there johnny. Semis should be ggreat
Any of the Dubs on here got an idea about how many of ye are going to Croke Park for semi-final on Sunday week? Hardly likely to be a sellout?
Unlikely to be a sellout deiseach. Hard to know how many will jump on the bandwagon. Might depend on round one of the double header on Sat night
Cheers Declan, thought as much. With a name like yours, I take it we can rely on your support against the forces of Evil in the Minor game ;)
Quote from: Declan on July 29, 2013, 02:12:39 PM
Unlikely to be a sellout deiseach. Hard to know how many will jump on the bandwagon. Might depend on round one of the double header on Sat night
Declan, I don't like the implication of your "bandwagon" comment. It seems that if Dubliners don't turn up to support the hurlers they are letting the team down and if they do turn up they are jumping on the bandwagon. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
I'm happy to say that I have already bought my tickets for both the football and hurling games.
Of course deiseach especially the Ardmore lads.
No implications Hill it's just an observation going on the crowds that have attended the previous matches. I'd love to see 50 thousand Dubs in at the hurling no matter if they are what would be generally described as bandwagonners or folks who decide its time to fill the hill for the hurlers
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 29, 2013, 02:40:16 PM
Declan, I don't like the implication of your "bandwagon" comment. It seems that if Dubliners don't turn up to support the hurlers they are letting the team down and if they do turn up they are jumping on the bandwagon. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
[joking]If you don't like the implication, tough. The last thing the GAA needs is bandwagon jumpers. We don't have them in the other 31 counties.[/joking]
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Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2013, 05:12:44 PM
Canning having a mare here.
Fair f**ks to him, beaten, disappointed, blood dripping from his head. Stays signing autographs for the kids.
Also loads of Clare supporters lining up for an autograph. Fair dues to the man.
Great win for Cork, they will always raise their game against Kilkenny, and unfortunately for them, their players could not go to the well one more time.
Sad to see Henry playing so poorly, hopefully back next year as said so he does not sign off on that note.
Can't wait for the semi finals.
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Quote from: Asal Mor on July 20, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
What do we think of the quarter-finals anyway?
Cork with Horgan back should be good enough to cause lots of problems for Kilkenny. They should run at the Kilkenny defence any chance they get. Also I think Paul Murphy has become Kilkenny's best defender over thelast year and he's so dominant in his corner that Cork should avoid hitting the ball in there. If Fennelly is back it would obviously be huge for Kilkenny. I think Henry is done - there's only so much a body can take. I fancy Cork to run Kilkenny really close, but the Cats will probably find a way. Hopefully not.
Galway are bizarrely, bookies favorites against Clare, even though very few people fancy them to win, especially in Galway . I didn't like to bet against my own county for the Dublin game even though I expected them to lose but I might this time. I think we'll need to get a couple of extra bodies back into defence to deal with Clare's pace and short-passing style. Some of our backs (Kavanagh, Hynes, Cooney) will get skint for pace if they're left 1-on-1.
Clare are in a much better place than Galway and are great value at 6/5. Galway are 4/5 but I'd make them realisticaly about a 5/2 shot because they've been awful all year and you can't just turn it on. I hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if we're not beaten.
Cork probably do have the pace to bother the Kilkenny backs alright, but I'd be concerned with their defenses inability to deal with catching forwards and Kilkenny have a good smattering of them. If Cork don't work out how to stop these lads catching then I expect Kilkenny to find their goal scoring touch again so that'd require a huge effort from the Cork forwards to stay in the game. I think Kilkenny will come out the other side of this one as its still a year or so too early for this Cork team.
If Kilkenny are to lift the AI this year it would be some achievement as they'd have beat Offaly, Tipp, Waterford, Cork, and another two teams to do that not to mention the two games they came out the wrong end of against Dublin.
What of Galway? Who to god knows, they could win by 7 or 8 if they're right but could lose by the same margin if they're anything like they started against Dublin. They played better in the second half of that game and would need to continue that progress to get over Clare. It's really hard to see some of their players being as bad and jittery again, maybe the Dublin game is the kick in the nads they need to push on.
Clare will want it more and go at it from the word go, but may struggle to contain Joe if he gets enough ball into him. They threaten big things but are still falling short. Need another few years to mentally toughen up.
If Galway turn up then I think they'll win by 3 or 4.
I'm going for Clare -2, I really like Galway and would love to see them lift Liam but they are relying way too much on Joe, they have plenty of great players but they struggle to play as a team. Get that sorted then they can certainly beat any team
Hate to blow my own trumpet.........
An excellent post by mscofield on the Galway hurling forum about the state of affairs in Galway hurling:
Dust has settled and emotion has subsided a little.
I said after the Dublin game that we were Dead men walking....we actually got off lightly, two goals flattered us and Clare did not completely expose us.
Only hope of salvaging this season was if Laois had beaten us.
Not only do we not learn the hard way...we never learn full stop.
Players can't perform unless they are completely written off...I referred to an Andy Smith article some months ago and voiced my concerns...THIS SHEITE MUST STOP!!
Are we a Flying column or a hurling county FFS? Out of the bushes on a random day when not expected, empty the clip
of ammo, carnage all around us and head for the hills in triumph. We will not enter into open warfare...We are guerrilla war experts.
We are smash & grab (and ultimately f*** up) experts also....rob a jewellery shop of diamonds only to crash the get away car a mile down the road into the Garda station!
We have classic relapse addict symptoms...loved and adored by the family but just when there is faith in us we fall off the wagon and flip up yet again.
We cant be confident our hurlers will put two halves together...never mind two games or two seasons.
Mgmt completely inept with Junior C tactics. That said I'm not interested in getting new setup next year. Next year will be interesting...if AC got an extension that might actually be a move in the right direction...otherwise they will try some small changes in an effort to land Liam in their final year.
How many leaders on this panel? Moore, Joe and Damien...who else?
Joe is our biggest asset yet other teams use his presence as a way to settle their game plan and on what terms the game will be played. They dictate how we should get the best outta Joe! "long aimless high balls please and plenty of them while we keep the scoreboard ticking over and get outta sight" Joe is like a rose in a field of thistles.
Agree Minors & U21's into Leinster...how about Clubs into Munster!!? Way too much made of underage talent
& titles including Club titles. I do not want to see Galway winning yet another minor this year as the media now see this
as another way to taunt us. "Look at Mattie's little toddlers...aren't they just lovely little hurlers with wonderful careers ahead of them.....surely?!" U21 is also largely meaningless.
What has Mattie Murphy's net contribution being to Galway Hurling? Why does he resist underage entering
Leinster? Who's agenda is he protecting?
Next manager...who cares? Pete Finnerty...Joe Cooney....seriously...?!!
Point re Tennyson is significant and lessons need to be learned here. Tipp, KK & Cork have a similar attitude to Club, means to an end, KK & Cork & Clare & Wford lads would die to wear their county jersey.
Mickey Ned O Sullivan summed up perfectly his attitude to underage development..."Galway is not the
way to do things!"
Can someone start a forum with alternative players that need to be introduced or looked at please?
I'll go back to a post I wrote last year...a disaster if we bet KK in the famous LF...I was lambasted here....I am now going back and standing by this post...foundations built on sand that would be exposed easily....better to make slow steady real tangible progress....not swashbuckle..shot the lights out...crap we have endured since 2001. There are no shortcuts in Senior intercounty hurling. We must get away from the attitude.."they will never see this coming"
2012 LF was a freak. Stunned KK but they outscored us n the second half....I'm back to the Flying column argument again...not sustainable.
Daithi Regan is 100% correct in his article this week. Our arrogance is a national joke at this stage.
Finally how dare players representing the county jersey put their petty grievances and hatred for each other before the fortunes of the county. If they want to concentrate on Club hurling then let them flip off and do that. Have their petty All Ireland win on Paddy's day. Who cares? Pursuing the softest option of a national title.
Club hurling in Galway is not manly anymore. Its mane, sneaky, dirty and cowardly. Management and county board should lay it on the line to lads, any mane belts against each other will not be tolerated. County board need to wake up and get proper referees and linesmen to look after games.
I was at a wedding last year when we were going well and met a gang of lads who had a couple of Club All Ireland medals each. They had absolutely no interest in Galway hurling. They could not have cared less whether we won the final or not. Their club had no interest in supplying lads to the county panel as they said it was a joke and some of their previous players had been badly treated. I was gobsmacked and it played on my mind for a long time. If that is the prevailing attitude then we are doomed and its not surprising why we are out of the championship this year.
We are a county full of average Club Hurlers and overhyped spotty spoilt teenagers, pockets full of insignificant medals.
End of rant...for a while.
Read more: http://ghurlingadmin.proboards.com/thread/1386/galway-clare-28th-july?page=24#page=25#ixzz2aZljNGjX
Probably a lot of truth in the main points, particularly around winning at underage versus developing for senior, but to call Underage All Irelands and Club All Irelands as meaningless is completely ridiculous.
Clare are a coming force off the back of minor and Under 21 titles
it can be done
Cork are coming again off the back of, well nothing really. Mushrooms I suppose.
Quote from: neilthemac on July 31, 2013, 11:55:03 AM
Clare are a coming force off the back of minor and Under 21 titles
it can be done
Cork are coming again off the back of, well nothing really. Mushrooms I suppose.
Well apart from this years U-21's they looked competitive in Munster U-21 for a few years, just missed out in 2011 after going into extra time vrs Limerick, doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have good hurlers on those teams, just not enough of them to win out.
UCC and the RTC have been going well in the Fitzgibbon in recent years as well and have a good smattering of Cork players on their teams, but this year their rise was surely unexpected even in Cork circles.
For me anyway, Galway's underage teams are far too balanced and imvho anyway haven't produced enough exceptional players who glide onto the senior team. All you need is 1 or 2 such "superstars" on each underage winning team and with a few exceptions they are not forthcoming.
To their eternal credit all Galway underage teams have very few weak links and are not reliant on the one or two exceptional talents to win them the titles . Just my personal opinion though. Compare them to the recent Clare U21 winning teams which were powered by individual players who by and large are in the Clare senior set up.
Another thing is the ferocious pressure on the management to produce immediately and the almost inevitable changing of systems when that management team are hounded out after say 2 seasons. A case in point is the fact that some years ago Galway were accused of being "too light" and then introduced alot of bigger players thereby changing the style of play completely. Personally think they are now too reliant on bulk.
Having said that they could easily have won the AI last year.
They really are a mystery though.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 31, 2013, 09:13:43 AM
Probably a lot of truth in the main points, particularly around winning at underage versus developing for senior, but to call Underage All Irelands and Club All Irelands as meaningless is completely ridiculous.
Yeah, it's going too far to call them meaningless. To the players involved and their families and clubs they mean everything. They are meaningless in the context of Galway senior hurling. If Mattie Murphy leads the minors to another title in September, I think many Galway supporters will throw their eyes up to heaven and shrug their shoulders. Sad but understandable.
It would serve the minors and U-21s well to go into Leinster. If they won less it might teach them how hard they'll have to work to attain success.
It would be nice to see the county board being pro-active on this because it's what Galway supporters want and it might give them some hope that rock bottom has been reached.
Decent bit of prose there and I'd say a fair bit of it would stand up to scutiny. No harm in exposing the ugly truths in the hope that change is brought about.
Quote from: Canalman on July 31, 2013, 12:19:34 PM
For me anyway, Galway's underage teams are far too balanced and imvho anyway haven't produced enough exceptional players who glide onto the senior team. All you need is 1 or 2 such "superstars" on each underage winning team and with a few exceptions they are not forthcoming.
To their eternal credit all Galway underage teams have very few weak links and are not reliant on the one or two exceptional talents to win them the titles . Just my personal opinion though. Compare them to the recent Clare U21 winning teams which were powered by individual players who by and large are in the Clare senior set up.
Another thing is the ferocious pressure on the management to produce immediately and the almost inevitable changing of systems when that management team are hounded out after say 2 seasons. A case in point is the fact that some years ago Galway were accused of being "too light" and then introduced alot of bigger players thereby changing the style of play completely. Personally think they are now too reliant on bulk.
Having said that they could easily have won the AI last year.
They really are a mystery though.
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Quote from: Canalman on July 31, 2013, 12:19:34 PM
For me anyway, Galway's underage teams are far too balanced and imvho anyway haven't produced enough exceptional players who glide onto the senior team. All you need is 1 or 2 such "superstars" on each underage winning team and with a few exceptions they are not forthcoming.
To their eternal credit all Galway underage teams have very few weak links and are not reliant on the one or two exceptional talents to win them the titles . Just my personal opinion though. Compare them to the recent Clare U21 winning teams which were powered by individual players who by and large are in the Clare senior set up.
Another thing is the ferocious pressure on the management to produce immediately and the almost inevitable changing of systems when that management team are hounded out after say 2 seasons. A case in point is the fact that some years ago Galway were accused of being "too light" and then introduced alot of bigger players thereby changing the style of play completely. Personally think they are now too reliant on bulk.
Having said that they could easily have won the AI last year.
They really are a mystery though.
Ditto my point on Cork coming from nowhere so to speak, they have had very good individuals at various underage levels such as Lehane, Egan and the big lad who opted for the footballers this year, but weakish in the supporting cast and hence didn't win any trophies, but non-the-less had the three or four lads capable of the step up to senior, just as many as you'd expect from a team that would possibly win a competition.
Galway always baffled me, when they last won the U-21 title in 2011, they'd an outstanding fullback in Niall O'Donohue then he lines out at right half back for the seniors and not at all this year, when the fullback berth is one they've struggled to fill for years. Give the lad the league in there along side the likes of Fergal Moore and let players develop into it. Far too much chopping and changing in Galway. Look at Kilkenny, the backs almost pick themselves, they're stable, know each other inside out and every so often a Paul Murphy or Kieran Joyce is dropped into a stable set up where its easier to develop into a senior hurler.
The transition of a team should be gradual, not wholesale every 2 or 3 years like Galway do it.
Yeah and O Donoghue has been outstanding at full-back this year for his club, Kilbeacanty, by all accounts. Very strange one. And to be fair to Kevin Hynes he's a very good midfielder.
Well lads and lasses, was wondering is there anyone her that can help, was looking to see if i could get my hands on a couple of Hurling final tickets, was going to take the aul fella who, all the GAA he has seen in 65-66 years has never been to a big hurling match. would really appreciate some help with this, PM me
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Quote from: Asal Mor on July 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Compare the major deficit in pace this year to the pace shown in last year's LF. Has t ocome down to the wrong training IMO.
All very well saying that it's wrong to change the management too often, but when they're inept then you have no choice.
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Quote from: Asal Mor on July 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Compare the major deficit in pace this year to the pace shown in last year's LF. Has t ocome down to the wrong training IMO.
All very well saying that it's wrong to change the management too often, but when they're inept then you have no choice.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a myth that Galway are always chopping and changing the manager anyway. I think, of the last 3 managers, that Hayes got 3 years, Loughnane 2, McIntyre 3 and they all left after a very poor final year, mostly by consensus I'd say. McIntyre in particular was probably given too long.
I'd prefer to see a change. This year was a clusterfcuk from start to finish and Cunningham's position is probably now untenable. I just can't see how the players could believe in him next year. I'm not sure the players are good enough to go all the way anyway, but if Donal O' Grady or Liam Sheedy could be brought in we'll find out and at least maximise our potential. A strong outside manager would be better able to stamp out the club rivalry pettiness that's going on. The hurling board is in heavy debt though, so might not have the resources that Sheedy or O' Grady would require for preparing a team.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 02, 2013, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: mouview on August 01, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Compare the major deficit in pace this year to the pace shown in last year's LF. Has t ocome down to the wrong training IMO.
All very well saying that it's wrong to change the management too often, but when they're inept then you have no choice.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a myth that Galway are always chopping and changing the manager anyway. I think, of the last 3 managers, that Hayes got 3 years, Loughnane 2, McIntyre 3 and they all left after a very poor final year, mostly by consensus I'd say. McIntyre in particular was probably given too long.
I'd prefer to see a change. This year was a clusterfcuk from start to finish and Cunningham's position is probably now untenable. I just can't see how the players could believe in him next year. I'm not sure the players are good enough to go all the way anyway, but if Donal O' Grady or Liam Sheedy could be brought in we'll find out and at least maximise our potential. A strong outside manager would be better able to stamp out the club rivalry pettiness that's going on. The hurling board is in heavy debt though, so might not have the resources that Sheedy or O' Grady would require for preparing a team.
How does it come (in all counties I might add) that an outside manager seems to be given or require more resources than a manager appointed from within the county?
If you say that with the debt Galway hurling board have maybe Cunningham couldn't prepare as well as he'd have liked to and was hamstrung from the word go?
As the post from the Galway hurling forum would suggest (and its something hamstringing Antrim county team as well IMO) a hurler in Galway would have more chance of senior all-Ireland glory with their clubs rather than with their county. I think that's glaringly obvious.
That's bound to feed into the mental attitude of the players and hence gear themselves up for the club championship where if they win the county title are two games away from their all-Ireland medal.
How many clubs in Galway have a realistic chance of winning the Galway club championship and how may players on the county panel are from those clubs?
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 02, 2013, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: mouview on August 01, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Compare the major deficit in pace this year to the pace shown in last year's LF. Has t ocome down to the wrong training IMO.
All very well saying that it's wrong to change the management too often, but when they're inept then you have no choice.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a myth that Galway are always chopping and changing the manager anyway. I think, of the last 3 managers, that Hayes got 3 years, Loughnane 2, McIntyre 3 and they all left after a very poor final year, mostly by consensus I'd say. McIntyre in particular was probably given too long.
I'd prefer to see a change. This year was a clusterfcuk from start to finish and Cunningham's position is probably now untenable. I just can't see how the players could believe in him next year. I'm not sure the players are good enough to go all the way anyway, but if Donal O' Grady or Liam Sheedy could be brought in we'll find out and at least maximise our potential. A strong outside manager would be better able to stamp out the club rivalry pettiness that's going on. The hurling board is in heavy debt though, so might not have the resources that Sheedy or O' Grady would require for preparing a team.
Oh, its not so much the manager merry go round, it'd be the lack of a settled team even under the reign of the same manager in some instances, how many lads have played centre back for Galway in the last few championships? three, maybe four that I can think off, Shane Kavanagh, David Collins, Tony O'Regan, John Lee, not to mention a few other tried there during the league this year alone, Hynes made way for Moore at fullback and its not that long ago Kavanagh was also playing there. There's the centre of your defence not stabilised for any great length of time.
Any manager needs to sort those types of positions out first and work with them if they've got a weakness of one sort or the other.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 02, 2013, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 02, 2013, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: mouview on August 01, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on July 31, 2013, 12:31:22 PM
I'd agree with a lot of that . At underage it's all about the outstanding individuals who come through and we haven't really produced any since JC imo. Mind you, we've had lads who have looked exceptionalat minor and haven't progressed. When we beat Clare at minor in 2011 they had a few of their current seniors but Shane Maloney and Padraig Brehony were the outstanding players. They are only subs on the Galway team.
I also agree that we lacked pace all over the field on Sunday, especially up front. Too many big lumbering players.
Compare the major deficit in pace this year to the pace shown in last year's LF. Has t ocome down to the wrong training IMO.
All very well saying that it's wrong to change the management too often, but when they're inept then you have no choice.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a myth that Galway are always chopping and changing the manager anyway. I think, of the last 3 managers, that Hayes got 3 years, Loughnane 2, McIntyre 3 and they all left after a very poor final year, mostly by consensus I'd say. McIntyre in particular was probably given too long.
I'd prefer to see a change. This year was a clusterfcuk from start to finish and Cunningham's position is probably now untenable. I just can't see how the players could believe in him next year. I'm not sure the players are good enough to go all the way anyway, but if Donal O' Grady or Liam Sheedy could be brought in we'll find out and at least maximise our potential. A strong outside manager would be better able to stamp out the club rivalry pettiness that's going on. The hurling board is in heavy debt though, so might not have the resources that Sheedy or O' Grady would require for preparing a team.
How does it come (in all counties I might add) that an outside manager seems to be given or require more resources than a manager appointed from within the county?
If you say that with the debt Galway hurling board have maybe Cunningham couldn't prepare as well as he'd have liked to and was hamstrung from the word go?
As the post from the Galway hurling forum would suggest (and its something hamstringing Antrim county team as well IMO) a hurler in Galway would have more chance of senior all-Ireland glory with their clubs rather than with their county. I think that's glaringly obvious.
That's bound to feed into the mental attitude of the players and hence gear themselves up for the club championship where if they win the county title are two games away from their all-Ireland medal.
How many clubs in Galway have a realistic chance of winning the Galway club championship and how may players on the county panel are from those clubs?
No, I think Cunningham got everything he wanted and a lot of money was spent on the hurlers this year. I'm just speculating that money might be an obstacle to bringing in a big name because the hurling board has huge debts from borrowing money to purchase land before the prroperty crash. But I'm just guessing and it's still quite likely that Cunningham will be given another year in any case.
I'm a long way from home these days so I'm not an expert on the club scene johnney but it seems to be very spiteful and is carrying over into the Galway dressing room. I agree re the chopping and changing. AC used the league very badly. He simultaneously failed to try enough new players and find a settled team. I suppose you'd have to say in his defence that the players completely failed to perform and he's just another in a long line of managers to experience a total breakdown of the team - Hayes '06, Loughnane ' 08 and McIntyre '11 were all equally bad years and each manager seemed genuinely puzzled about why the team performed so badly.
None of those managers are in the class of a Sheedy or an O' Grady so maybe one of those boys could find the answer to the riddle. It's also possible that we are just not good enough. Only Joe and Damien Hayes perform consistently in big championship games and most of our lads have had way more bad games at this level than good. Galway people never seem to draw the conclusion that we're not good enough but that might be the simple answer to why we keep flopping.
A major fault this year I thought was that management didn't recognise and address the glaring weaknesses shown in the last year's replay in particular. The uncertainty in central positions allied to a loss of form of a number of players was very evident in that match and nothing has been done this year to improve that. This year's poor performance was no surprise, I'm only surprised that some think that it is.
Interesting article on DJ Carey in the independent..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html)
I never knew he'd a few clots in the head and whilst there's no proof it came from belts to the head whilst hurling its something that would need watched as just because everyone now wears helmets getting a thump on the head can cause issues later on..
Quote from: johnneycool on August 06, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Interesting article on DJ Carey in the independent..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html)
I never knew he'd a few clots in the head and whilst there's no proof it came from belts to the head whilst hurling its something that would need watched as just because everyone now wears helmets getting a thump on the head can cause issues later on..
Interesting article. In spite of all the head injuries he sustained he still seems to think the Horgan sending-off was too harsh. I didn't realise the head was still so vulnerable when you wear a helmet.
He's right too, that it's a game for athletes now. I don't think that's such a great thing. Skill is secondary to speed, strength and fitness now. That's what I liked about the shinty games against Scotland. When you can't handle the ball, skill is more important than speed. Hurling is more exciting than ever to watch, but if you're not blessed with pace, you probably won't make it at inter-county level, no matter how much you work on your skills. I think that's a pity.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 06, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Interesting article on DJ Carey in the independent..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html)
I never knew he'd a few clots in the head and whilst there's no proof it came from belts to the head whilst hurling its something that would need watched as just because everyone now wears helmets getting a thump on the head can cause issues later on..
A few times I've had less than mature team mates think it was grand to hit me a playful smack on the head when I put on the helmet.
You definitely feel it for a while afterwards.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 06, 2013, 01:52:20 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 06, 2013, 09:19:10 AM
Interesting article on DJ Carey in the independent..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/whatever-happens-in-my-private-life-stays-there-because-i-keep-it-that-way-29471043.html)
I never knew he'd a few clots in the head and whilst there's no proof it came from belts to the head whilst hurling its something that would need watched as just because everyone now wears helmets getting a thump on the head can cause issues later on..
Interesting article. In spite of all the head injuries he sustained he still seems to think the Horgan sending-off was too harsh. I didn't realise the head was still so vulnerable when you wear a helmet.
He's right too, that it's a game for athletes now. I don't think that's such a great thing. Skill is secondary to speed, strength and fitness now. That's what I liked about the shinty games against Scotland. When you can't handle the ball, skill is more important than speed. Hurling is more exciting than ever to watch, but if you're not blessed with pace, you probably won't make it at inter-county level, no matter how much you work on your skills. I think that's a pity.
Whilst athletes will dominate the middle third of a team I still think there's a need for skill based hurlers in the forwards even if they have the quick burst. Shefflin nor Joe Canning are blessed with speed.
Yeah, they're no slouches though. Look at Eoin Kelly of Tipp as an example. A genius who dominated most games he played in his prime, but he's lost his pace now and can't make an impact on games. Or in Galway, where Andy Smyth is, probably rightly, deemed a more effective midfielder than Ger Farragher. Smyth is a good hurler with lots of pace and aggression but Farragher is in a different class skillwise. That's just sport I suppose. Le Tissier never made it at international level and the Gooch sometimes gets swamped by blanket defences. Skill can't always overcome brute force but it's a beautiful thing when it does.
My favorite hurler before JC was John Troy. He used to give those amazing flick passes to set up his team mates for scores and I don't have the writing skills to describe how classy he was. I just feel, in both hurling and football, that the artists are getting less and less space to do their thing. It's all pace, pace, pace now. But hey, it's still brilliant to watch.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 07, 2013, 05:33:34 PM
Yeah, they're no slouches though. Look at Eoin Kelly of Tipp as an example. A genius who dominated most games he played in his prime, but he's lost his pace now and can't make an impact on games. Or in Galway, where Andy Smyth is, probably rightly, deemed a more effective midfielder than Ger Farragher. Smyth is a good hurler with lots of pace and aggression but Farragher is in a different class skillwise. That's just sport I suppose. Le Tissier never made it at international level and the Gooch sometimes gets swamped by blanket defences. Skill can't always overcome brute force but it's a beautiful thing when it does.
My favorite hurler before JC was John Troy. He used to give those amazing flick passes to set up his team mates for scores and I don't have the writing skills to describe how classy he was. I just feel, in both hurling and football, that the artists are getting less and less space to do their thing. It's all pace, pace, pace now. But hey, it's still brilliant to watch.
certainly John Troy wouldn't get a look in in the modern game, he'd be given a fitness regime of some sorts or other, be weighted, measured, timed, poked and prodded, then discarded.
His hurling was sublime and quick as lightning even if his feet weren't, he'd do things others just wouldn't see or attempt, those things can't be coached and to an extent decision making is now coached out of teams as Tony McEntee's article in the examiner alludes to even if he's talking about football.
A lot of that holds true in hurling as well, if it can't be measured then its not worth doing and that's sad. Some of the greatest hurling games were off the cuff stuff where teams went at it hammer and tongs, toe to toe, best team wins stuff, not who played who as a sweeper, two man full forward lines, loss of possessions etc, etc. I still find the modern stuff exciting and interesting as there are some very talented hurlers out there, but it seems more is made of the coach, his sports psychologist, the fitness guru, the backroom team and all that. If John Allen and the Limerick set up were to up sticks and move to Down to a man/woman, we'd be a bit better, but we'd still be shíte.
From Joe Dooley on the RTE website.
QuoteIn my time as Offaly Manager, our mantra always was that we would be as well prepared as we could be to take advantage of any dip in form by Kilkenny who were playing at a different level.
Am I being naive or is this attitude a recipe for perennial failure. At any level the first thing you need is self belief but if you start off by believing the oppostition play at a different level then you are at nothing.
I would have thought the mantra should always be "we are every bit as good as those fuggers". Even if its not true, believing it will generate an extra ?% of performance.
The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Dublin in Sunday's All-Ireland Semi-Final at 3.30pm in Croke Park will line out as follows:
1. Anthony Nash
Kanturk
2. Stephen McDonnell 3. Shane O'Neill 4. Conor O'Sullivan
Glen Rovers Bishopstown Sarsfields
5. Tom Kenny 6. Christopher Joyce 7. William Egan
Grenagh Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin
8. Lorcan Mc Loughlin 9. Daniel Kearney
Kanturk Sarsfields
10. Seamus Harnedy 11. Jamie Coughlan 12. Pa Cronin
St. Ita's Newtownshandrum Bishopstown
13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Patrick Horgan 15. Conor Lehane
Midleton Glen Rovers Midleton
Quote from: fearglasmor on August 09, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
From Joe Dooley on the RTE website.
QuoteIn my time as Offaly Manager, our mantra always was that we would be as well prepared as we could be to take advantage of any dip in form by Kilkenny who were playing at a different level.
Am I being naive or is this attitude a recipe for perennial failure. At any level the first thing you need is self belief but if you start off by believing the oppostition play at a different level then you are at nothing.
I would have thought the mantra should always be "we are every bit as good as those fuggers". Even if its not true, believing it will generate an extra ?% of performance.
I think you are right, and the performances reflected that attitude. We're not good enough to beat these lads if they play well. And then when they did play well, Offaly fell away and took a hiding.
Quote from: fearglasmor on August 09, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
Am I being naive or is this attitude a recipe for perennial failure. At any level the first thing you need is self belief but if you start off by believing the oppostition play at a different level then you are at nothing.
I would have thought the mantra should always be "we are every bit as good as those fuggers". Even if its not true, believing it will generate an extra ?% of performance.
I'm dubious about the idea that lying to yourself is a recipe for success. Besides, if everyone thought that way, wouldn't it all balance out?
Quote from: fearglasmor on August 09, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
From Joe Dooley on the RTE website.
QuoteIn my time as Offaly Manager, our mantra always was that we would be as well prepared as we could be to take advantage of any dip in form by Kilkenny who were playing at a different level.
Am I being naive or is this attitude a recipe for perennial failure. At any level the first thing you need is self belief but if you start off by believing the oppostition play at a different level then you are at nothing.
I would have thought the mantra should always be "we are every bit as good as those fuggers". Even if its not true, believing it will generate an extra ?% of performance.
I admire that attitude. I've played in some teams where we've gone out to play a team who, quite simply, were better than us. It was just a fact. Now before the game you'd be listening to a manager rattle on about how 'we're every bit as good as these cnuts etc etc etc' and all the while my opinion of this man was dropping by second because he was spewing what everyone else in the room knew to be utter shite. Now some days we'd have went out and won, but we all knew it was precisely for the reasons that Joe alluded to in the article.
Give me the man who calls it like it is any day and forget the psychological babble.
Yeah that BS never did anything for me. I think it's ok to acknowledge that the other team is better than you man for man, but realise you can still beat them if you play clever enough. Joe's record against KK as a manager wasn't good but they were hammering better teams than Offaly too.
I played soccer with a few Americans before and although their skills weren't they thought they could beat anyone. It seemed to work for them sometimes because they genuinely believed it, but most Irish people are too realistic for that stuff.
We're 100% certain to have an all Munster All Ireland final.
How about moving it to Tom Semple's Field for a proper atmosphere and sense of occasion.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on August 17, 2013, 06:57:06 PM
We're 100% certain to have an all Munster All Ireland final.
How about moving it to Tom Semple's Field for a proper atmosphere and sense of occasion.
Will the final of the Tipp club championships not impose on it? They should be well run off now considering the early departure of the county seniors.
Both teams fairly evenly matched. Bookies saying Cork slight favourites but there's not much in it.
There'll be some hunt for tickets in Clare.
The credit unions will get some rifling.
Quote from: orangeman on August 19, 2013, 10:31:05 AM
Both teams fairly evenly matched. Bookies saying Cork slight favourites but there's not much in it.
There'll be some hunt for tickets in Clare.
The credit unions will get some rifling.
I find it hard to understand why Cork are favorites. In recent years Clare have had more under age success, and are further down the road in their development. In the Munster Semi final this year I think Clare got caught thinking ahead to the Munster Final and weren't focused. That won't happen in the Final.