A point away at Limavady next week puts them in the play off with Donegal Celtic,after great away win at Drumahoe against promotion rivals Insitute today.By all accounts listening on the radio,former Down player John Boyle was the star today and according to the radio pundits,could walk into any Irish Premiership side.
hopefully 'the point' can get the required point they need next week to set up a game against DC for a top level place. the point have really pushed on since they signed a few players from newry to add to the quality they already had
Would their ground be up to senior standard? Floodlights and all that,or would they have to play home games at Newry? Some kick in the teeth for Newry,a hotbed of soccer but no Irish League team,yet Warrenpoint has.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 27, 2013, 06:14:48 PM
Would their ground be up to senior standard? Floodlights and all that,or would they have to play home games at Newry? Some kick in the teeth for Newry,a hotbed of soccer but no Irish League team,yet Warrenpoint has.
their ground wouldnt be up to senior standard yet, would take alot of money and time to make it up to standard. apparently the club have approached both cliftonville and dungannon swifts about possible ground shares if the situation arose. both would be long trips for home matches. newry have rejected any chance of a ground share apparently.
Quoteapparently the club have approached both cliftonville and dungannon swifts about possible ground shares if the situation arose. both would be long trips for home matches
Why don't they use the ground in Dundalk, only a short spin over the new bridge?
Was there not a similar scenario last year when Ballinamallard came up? They were supposed to be playing home games at Dungannon,but got their own ground sorted over the summer quickly enough.
Warrenpoint Town have already received the required license to play in the top flight of Irish League football.
Their own ground isn't up to the necessary standard, in fact it's not even close in terms of lighting, seating and the segregation requirements, and Newry have rejected any notion of a ground-share at Newry Showgrounds (it still may be used as a one-off for any play off however).
As a result they will play their home games in Dungannon's Stangmore Park should promotion be achieved. Cliftonville and Linfield also offered the use of their grounds as well it seems.
The list of licenses can be found here;
http://www.irishfa.com/news/item/8228/club-licensing-decisions-announced/
Quote from: T Fearon on April 27, 2013, 06:14:48 PM
Would their ground be up to senior standard? Floodlights and all that,or would they have to play home games at Newry? Some kick in the teeth for Newry,a hotbed of soccer but no Irish League team,yet Warrenpoint has.
How's it a "kick in the teeth for Newry"? I followed Newry up until their final game (ironically away to the Point last autumn) and since then a lot of my good mates, a couple of whom still play gaelic for my club, have moved on to the Point. I'd be more than happy for those lads to have an opportunity to prove themselves at the top level of Irish League football. Don't make it out to be something it isn't as far as Newry are concerned.
It must nevertheless be a sore one for everyone connected to the old Newry Town/City club that Warrenpoint are on the brink of the Irish Premier League while they dont exist at the moment.I would suggest it is an extremely sore one given that they won't even allow W'point to use the show grounds for home games (how petty).
Warren point are the equivalent of Gretna,coming from nowhere to top flight football in a couple of seasons,and it's only a matter of time before Chmpions League or Europe League football comes to the Point! ;D
QuoteWarren point are the equivalent of Gretna
Good luck to the Point but Gretna are not the model to follow. Where are they now?
Maybe ask the gaa for use of pairc esler. If they can alloy rugby in gaa grounds for the so called world cup why not help out a local club side in need. Pair esler would be well above Irish league standards I'm sure
Great idea! Linfield and their supporters (Sandy Row and Shankhill branhes) in Pairc Esler! A Godsend for community relations! ;D
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 28, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
QuoteWarren point are the equivalent of Gretna
Good luck to the Point but Gretna are not the model to follow. Where are they now?
The old Gretna FC are no more.
Gretna FC 2008 playing out of Raydale Park, former home of Gretna FC are in the East Of Scotland League.
In fact i'm going over to watch them on the 11th of May.
I was referring to the fact that Warrenpoint's meteoric rise is similar to that of Gretna. Obviously, unlike Gretna, who depended on a wealthy benefactor (just like Glasgow Rangers) I would hope that Warrenpoint can sustain this and at the very least do not go out of existence, like Newry did. ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on April 28, 2013, 07:01:47 AM
It must nevertheless be a sore one for everyone connected to the old Newry Town/City club that Warrenpoint are on the brink of the Irish Premier League while they dont exist at the moment.I would suggest it is an extremely sore one given that they won't even allow W'point to use the show grounds for home games (how petty).
First of all you know fine rightly Newry have reformed, so they do "exist at the moment."
It's Newry's home ground and they'll be competing in the Mid Ulster Intermediate League next season. This means they'll also be in a heap of different cup competitions as well as their league games. With Warrenpoint being a potential top flight club the IFA would have sought assurances that their fixtures would take priority. They were in no position to do this. At least get your facts right before posting nonsense.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 29, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
I was referring to the fact that Warrenpoint's meteoric rise is similar to that of Gretna. Obviously, unlike Gretna, who depended on a wealthy benefactor (just like Glasgow Rangers) I would hope that Warrenpoint can sustain this and at the very least do not go out of existence, like Newry did. ;D
It's widely accepted that Newry could have gone into administration and survived.
The chairman and a prominent director refused to budge however, not even attending the court hearings or allowing the trustees access to the books until it was far too late. Luckily the courts couldn't touch the stadium as it's owned by the club's supporters rather than the club itself!
Clubs like Glentoran are in a much worse situation financially, the IFA however are doing their utmost to keep them afloat.
Newry like Rangers and Gretna got into a mess due to over dependence on an individual benefactor.This should not have been allowed to happen.
I'm sure given modern technology Fixtures could be arranged to facilitate Warrenpoint's home games at the Shkwgrounds next year,instead of dragging their fans 30 miles to Dungannon.Assuming the Point make the Premiership,that is.
Quote from: ranch on April 30, 2013, 04:00:30 AM
First of all you know fine rightly Newry have reformed, so they do "exist at the moment."
It's Newry's home ground and they'll be competing in the Mid Ulster Intermediate League next season.
That hasn't been confirmed yet!
Quote from: ranch on April 30, 2013, 04:00:30 AM
This means they'll also be in a heap of different cup competitions as well as their league games. With Warrenpoint being a potential top flight club the IFA would have sought assurances that their fixtures would take priority. They were in no position to do this. At least get your facts right before posting nonsense.
Why can Dungannon accomodate them but Newry can't? There have been plenty of examples of clubs doing this; Carrick played at Crusaders, Ballinamallard played at Armagh City, Lurgan Celtic play at Oxford Sunnyside (who are in the division Newry are hoping to be admitted to next season).
Is this thread about Newry or Warrenpoint? :o
Anyway, no doubt the point have benefited from Newry's demise this season, but it was all our own work to get into such a position in the first place. Newry are well within their right to reject a groundshare, however that is in the past and Point know if promoted they have the licence and a ground to play at. It may not be ideal in terms of travelling, but it gives time to improve the current ground and let's the club move forward as they wish for now. Indeed I think the ground is the least of the worries moving up, it is more the financial side of things that people don't realise about - serious hike in expenditure etc for the Premiership - this is where the main problem lies with WTFC.
As for John Boyle, he has been a tower of strength in the backline for a number of seasons, superb player and leader. Will be hard to hold on to him.
Plenty of big hitters round the Point, with real money, who could and will help the club I'm sure! Certainly if Ballinamallard can survive there's no reason wh Warrenpoint can't.
I think it will be an absolute shame if Newry don't make their ground available, should Warrenpoint reach the Premier league. Anyway,doesnt Newry and Mourne Council own the Showgrounds, and isn't Warrenpoint in the same council area?
But maybe not as much disposible at the moment as some may think. Also can't ask for more from people who have previously sponsored quite a large amount i.e. The Quays. Conversations have been had with a few big hitters already to no avail.
Ballinamallard had a huge helping hand from one individual/family in particular which has gone a long long way to securing their club from Senior the whole way down. And it isn't one off payments in their case either.
Think that avenue is closed anyway, alternative plans are in place already in terms of the ground for next year if needed. It is but Newry have the lease of the ground as far as I am aware and are/were paying the rates etc for it.
Surely the demise of Newry City would have caused the demise of the lease, and Warrenpoint could therefore apply for the lease for a fixed term,and lend the ground to Newry Town as and when they need it?
Quote from: Larry Duff on April 30, 2013, 09:36:22 AM
Why can Dungannon accomodate them but Newry can't? There have been plenty of examples of clubs doing this; Carrick played at Crusaders, Ballinamallard played at Armagh City, Lurgan Celtic play at Oxford Sunnyside (who are in the division Newry are hoping to be admitted to next season).
All the examples you used are completely irrelevant. Not one of them are an example of an IFA premiership side using the ground of a team who compete under the auspices of the MUFA. When Carrick played at Seaview it was clear who owned the ground and with both sides competing in the same division there wouldn't be an issue as to who had first preference.
I personally would have been happy to see the 'Point competing at the Showgrounds (promotion permitting), but there were justifiable reasons for it not being possible and not some grudge which has never existed between the 2 clubs.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 30, 2013, 07:46:13 AM
Newry like Rangers and Gretna got into a mess due to over dependence on an individual benefactor.This should not have been allowed to happen.
It definitely shouldn't have been allowed to happen. Using the word benefactor is a bit strong however, he didn't exactly pump his own money into the club.
Quote from: T Fearon on April 30, 2013, 11:21:55 AM
I think it will be an absolute shame if Newry don't make their ground available, should Warrenpoint reach the Premier league. Anyway,doesnt Newry and Mourne Council own the Showgrounds, and isn't Warrenpoint in the same council area?
The ground wasn't affected by Newry's demise due to the fact Newry's season ticket holders have control of the ground and 'leased' it to the football club.
Ranch, you're quite defensive about the Town.
Newry need to learn from the mistakes of the last time they were in existence. Most of which, in my opinion, were related to an inability/unwillingness to connect with the local community. Being called "Newry" isn't enough, you have to work at it.
And I'd suggest that one of the easiest ways they could drum up a bit of community support, and get people to start going through the turnstiles at the Showgrounds, is to bend over backwards to help their neighbours, should they need it... and even if it means playing second fiddle for a while.
By the way, and without trying to aggravate the lack of community spirit thing. But Warrenpoint are on the cusp of the top flight with a team which are (as far as I can tell) all born within 10 miles of the town. Personally I've so much more respect for this approach that the Gary Peebles approach to local football. Learnings to be had here?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 30, 2013, 02:52:57 PM
Ranch, you're quite defensive about the Town.
Newry need to learn from the mistakes of the last time they were in existence. Most of which, in my opinion, were related to an inability/unwillingness to connect with the local community. Being called "Newry" isn't enough, you have to work at it.
And I'd suggest that one of the easiest ways they could drum up a bit of community support, and get people to start going through the turnstiles at the Showgrounds, is to bend over backwards to help their neighbours, should they need it... and even if it means playing second fiddle for a while.
By the way, and without trying to aggravate the lack of community spirit thing. But Warrenpoint are on the cusp of the top flight with a team which are (as far as I can tell) all born within 10 miles of the town. Personally I've so much more respect for this approach that the Gary Peebles approach to local football. Learnings to be had here?
I agree with your view on the 'mistakes' of the last time. As I've already stated, some of my good mates, and indeed club mates, were the ones who benefited most of all when Newry decided to eventually look at the local talent. Now these lads are playing for the 'Point and on the brink of promotion for the second time in 12 months, albeit with a different club. I'd be delighted to see the 'Point get the point required v Limavady and then beat DC in a play off, I really would.
As for being defensive, it may come across as that but it angers me to see others talk nonsense about issues when they clearly aren't aware of any facts. Whether we like it or not, and I've said before that I would have enjoyed watching the odd 'Point game in the Showgrounds next season, the fact is that a few dedicated individuals have ensured the Showgrounds didn't become a wasteland over the last few months. They did so with the intention of Newry finally back to, at the very least, Championship 1 standard in a few years time. Playing 'second fiddle' as you put it is an option they could have taken but one they were also entitled to turn down.
Quote from: ranch on April 30, 2013, 02:44:17 PM
All the examples you used are completely irrelevant. Not one of them are an example of an IFA premiership side using the ground of a team who compete under the auspices of the MUFA. When Carrick played at Seaview it was clear who owned the ground and with both sides competing in the same division there wouldn't be an issue as to who had first preference.
Hardly irrelevent, they're examples of clubs at a higher level than Newry that were able to accomodate a ground share. Two of the cases involved clubs from different divisions using the same pitch, so there is no issue regarding ground ownership or fixture clashes. As is the case with Oxford, the MUFL secretaries have no issue with co-ordinating fixtures to accomodate ground shares.
Ownership of your ground is not a requirement of entry to MUFL so ground sharing would not have an effect on Newry's application. However financial competency is an entry requirement and experience of competing as a football club is also desirable. Newco Newry have neither of these!
Don't worry though, the application will no doubt be approved, just as in the case of Omagh Utd. I expect a similar outcome!
Quote from: Larry Duff on May 01, 2013, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: ranch on April 30, 2013, 02:44:17 PM
All the examples you used are completely irrelevant. Not one of them are an example of an IFA premiership side using the ground of a team who compete under the auspices of the MUFA. When Carrick played at Seaview it was clear who owned the ground and with both sides competing in the same division there wouldn't be an issue as to who had first preference.
Hardly irrelevent, they're examples of clubs at a higher level than Newry that were able to accomodate a ground share. Two of the cases involved clubs from different divisions using the same pitch, so there is no issue regarding ground ownership or fixture clashes. As is the case with Oxford, the MUFL secretaries have no issue with co-ordinating fixtures to accomodate ground shares.
Ownership of your ground is not a requirement of entry to MUFL so ground sharing would not have an effect on Newry's application. However financial competency is an entry requirement and experience of competing as a football club is also desirable. Newco Newry have neither of these!
Don't worry though, the application will no doubt be approved, just as in the case of Omagh Utd. I expect a similar outcome!
The MUFA offered Newry the chance to compete THIS season, the offer was still there in October well after the leagues had started.
Also, Newry actually let Warrenpoint use their ground for a Mid Ulster Cup quarter final last month, so it's nothing to do with a grudge or jealousy on Newry's part. Barry Gray says as much himself in today's 'Newry Reporter'.
the point won 2-0 away to limavady today to set up a play off against Donegal celtic. 1st leg at home on Tuesday, then away 3 days later.
The first leg v DC is apparently going to be a 7.15pm kick off due to Wrrenpoint not having sufficient floodlights.
Fascinating play off in prospect.
Hopefully a first leg lead for the 'Point to take into the away tie.
Taking one goal lead into away leg,no goal conceded! Must be in with a great chance,especially if they park one of Mc Nulty's coaches in front of the goal! ;D
I'm hearing it ended 1all??
1 nil according to BBC website.Daniel Hughes.Looks like Barry Gray is about to eclipse Pete Mc Grath as the area's best ever manager ;D
Quote from: snoopdog on May 07, 2013, 09:31:03 PM
I'm hearing it ended 1all??
point won 1-0. Daniel hughes scored after being set up by his brother Stephen. all to play for now on Friday night.
Was down at the game, great to see so many from my own area starting, some of whom are club mates of mine. Got Dingo for first goal at 7/1 in Hughes' Bookmakers today too, even if I only bothered to put a fiver on :).
DC started very well and missed 2 or 3 great chances in the opening half. The second half was the total opposite however, the 'Point dominated and once DC took McAreavey off (due to him being booked and still making rash challenges) they took over midfield completely. Mark Miskimmin up front for DC didn't want to know all night, it's easy to see why Glenavon got rid of him.
best of luck to warrenpoint on Fri night
Will be a tremendous achievement if they reach the Premier league,having only been established 25 years ago.
Quote from: ranch on May 07, 2013, 09:54:52 PM
Was down at the game, great to see so many from my own area starting, some of whom are club mates of mine. Got Dingo for first goal at 7/1 in Hughes' Bookmakers today too, even if I only bothered to put a fiver on :).
DC started very well and missed 2 or 3 great chances in the opening half. The second half was the total opposite however, the 'Point dominated and once DC took McAreavey off (due to him being booked and still making rash challenges) they took over midfield completely. Mark Miskimmin up front for DC didn't want to know all night, it's easy to see why Glenavon got rid of him.
Who are these club mates you keep mentioning?
Is there any reason you want to know?
The only reason I've mentioned it is due to people thinking that those of us who supported Newry must have it for the 'Point. I'm very much of the opposite opinion, knowing quite a few of the players being one of the reasons why.
On a separate issue, one thing I noticed about DC tonight is how similar they are to the Newry side relegated two seasons ago. Mercenaries who really don't care, players who are past it and rejects from other Irish League sides all getting a quick buck (Miskimmin, Downey, McShane, Keegan to name a few). I sort of felt for those who'd travelled from Belfast to watch their side in a vital game and be treated to that, especially in the second half.
I doubt if they'd be making much of a buck playing for DC. DC were a club with great potential a few years ago but internal strife,plus losing their best young players to bigger clubs,seems to have taken its toll
Quote from: T Fearon on May 08, 2013, 07:32:07 AM
I doubt if they'd be making much of a buck playing for DC. DC were a club with great potential a few years ago but internal strife,plus losing their best young players to bigger clubs,seems to have taken its toll
I know they wouldn't be on anything like they used to be, some however would be on money around the £100 a game/week mark.
DC must be one of the oldest teams in the Premiership, a lot of mileage in most of their players. Might be better if they went down and tried to rebuild, there's not much left in the current team.
Quote from: ranch on May 08, 2013, 03:08:33 AM
Is there any reason you want to know?
The only reason I've mentioned it is due to people thinking that those of us who supported Newry must have it for the 'Point. I'm very much of the opposite opinion, knowing quite a few of the players being one of the reasons why.
On a separate issue, one thing I noticed about DC tonight is how similar they are to the Newry side relegated two seasons ago. Mercenaries who really don't care, players who are past it and rejects from other Irish League sides all getting a quick buck (Miskimmin, Downey, McShane, Keegan to name a few). I sort of felt for those who'd travelled from Belfast to watch their side in a vital game and be treated to that, especially in the second half.
Just because you have mentioned it a few times now so naturally the more it is mentioned the more curious I/people will get. Just a question!
Go on Ranch! Name and Shame! ;D
Tonight's the night! Surely if Warrenpoint socre once tonight it will seal their Premiership place next season as it would mean DC have to score three?
Correct ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on May 10, 2013, 12:37:42 PM
Tonight's the night! Surely if Warrenpoint socre once tonight it will seal their Premiership place next season as it would mean DC have to score three?
Are Destination Newry showing it live?
Quote from: johnneycool on May 10, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 10, 2013, 12:37:42 PM
Tonight's the night! Surely if Warrenpoint socre once tonight it will seal their Premiership place next season as it would mean DC have to score three?
Are Destination Newry showing it live?
I doubt it, they wouldn't have the rights to show Irish League football.
DONEGAL CELTIC 1 (McVeigh 45)
WARRENPOINT TOWN 0
(Agg: 1-1)
full time Donegal celtic 2 warrenpoint 1. agg 2-2. warrenpoint win on away goals
Fantastic achievement! Hope they can consolidate and sustain this.
Waiting to hear Ranch commenting on how good he feels for his mates now.Surely he has to name them? ;D
When did Omagh Town soccer twm fold and how did it affect Tyrone gaelic football?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 10, 2013, 09:52:27 PM
Waiting to hear Ranch commenting on how good he feels for his mates now.Surely he has to name them? ;D
I don't have "to name" anyone, but considering you seem so keen to find out, Dingo and Rambo both played gaelic for our club up until this year and are good friends of mine. Three or four other players in the side are also good friends of mine. Happy now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yUNmdGV2MRg#!
Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2013, 09:59:02 PM
When did Omagh Town soccer twm fold and how did it affect Tyrone gaelic football?
They folded in 2005. Not sure it affected Tyrone GAA, if anything Tyrone's success in 2003 affected the football club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHu0823kPC8 .. the video there provides a bit of background about how the club folded.
Dingo and Rambo? That's no good to those of us unfamiliar with nicknames.We need birth certificate names.
I have just heard that the DC team to be relegated had more league winners medals than the 11 Clistonville players who started in the Irish Cup Final last weekend!
Well done Warrenpoint. Nice to see a new team in the league.
Relegation is probably best for DC.They must have an average age of 45! Need to rebuild.
Well done the Point!
Omagh Town folding would have had very little impact on gaelic football in the town as OTFC had a pathetic following and had no youth structures what so ever so no youngsters would have chosen them over the GAA teams in the town.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 11, 2013, 08:35:56 AM
Dingo and Rambo? That's no good to those of us unfamiliar with nicknames.We need birth certificate names.
I thought you knew a bit about Warrenpoint they way you've been going on about them recently?
Doubtful they used Rambo and Dingo on their loan applications.
Quote from: Ulick on May 11, 2013, 03:10:00 PM
Doubtful they used Rambo and Dingo on their loan applications.
Why would they?
This is Rambo's second big win of the year, he recently made a few appearances for the winners of the North Louth Winter League. Allegedly. ;) He wasn't using the name Rambo or even his own name while playing in the NLWL.
Obviously given the nickname either his real Christian name is Sylvester or his real surname is Stallone? ;D
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
No doubt it is a momentous achievement and shows the benefit of recruiting and playing talent from the junior leagues unlike Donegal Celtic probably paying a bunch of has beens over the odds.Newry have definitely missed out here. I'd say Gray will be in big demand now as well.
Didn't Cliftonville pluck Gormley straight out of the lower leagues too?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 11, 2013, 05:31:41 PM
No doubt it is a momentous achievement and shows the benefit of recruiting and playing talent from the junior leagues unlike Donegal Celtic probably paying a bunch of has beens over the odds.Newry have definitely missed out here. I'd say Gray will be in big demand now as well.
Didn't Cliftonville pluck Gormley straight out of the lower leagues too?
Yeah there's no doubt that Newry at the very least would earned a spot in the play off this year had they stayed afloat. Gray probably missed the boat in getting these lads two years ago by not thinking they were good enough but he wasted no time when given a second chance.
Cliftonville got Gormley from an Amateur League club. Plenty of those clubs would be of a similar standard to those at Championship One level but they just don't have the required facilities to get a licence.
Good few GAA men on that Point side.
Kevin Anderson of Annaclone, Stevy Moan of Newry Bosco and Johnny and Shaun Parr of Rostrevor.
John Boyle and Johnny Cowan were also big players for the gah club in the town but they didn't play in their run to the Ulster IFC final last year.
See also St Peters Warrenpoint got an award in Irish News GAA club of the Year yesterday as well.Great day for sport in Warrenpoint yesterday.
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
Good few GAA men on that Point side.
Kevin Anderson of Annaclone, Stevy Moan of Newry Bosco and Johnny and Shaun Parr of Rostrevor.
John Boyle and Johnny Cowan were also big players for the gah club in the town but they didn't play in their run to the Ulster IFC final last year.
Darren King(injured for the past few weeks) and Marcus McKeown of Forkhill , Daniel and Stephen Hughes of Corrinshego.
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
Good few GAA men on that Point side.
Kevin Anderson of Annaclone, Stevy Moan of Newry Bosco and Johnny and Shaun Parr of Rostrevor.
John Boyle and Johnny Cowan were also big players for the gah club in the town but they didn't play in their run to the Ulster IFC final last year.
Darren King(injured for the past few weeks) and Marcus McKeown of Forkhill , Daniel and Stephen Hughes of Corrinshego.
Daniel and Stephen hughes aka dingo and rambo. ;) well done to all at the point.
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 11, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2013, 06:12:57 PM
Good few GAA men on that Point side.
Kevin Anderson of Annaclone, Stevy Moan of Newry Bosco and Johnny and Shaun Parr of Rostrevor.
John Boyle and Johnny Cowan were also big players for the gah club in the town but they didn't play in their run to the Ulster IFC final last year.
Darren King(injured for the past few weeks) and Marcus McKeown of Forkhill , Daniel and Stephen Hughes of Corrinshego.
Daniel and Stephen hughes aka dingo and rambo. ;) well done to all at the point.
Indeed ;)
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Can you do well in both codes? It wouldn't happen in Crossmaglen!
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Er, I would say they had other things on their mind last Thursday night, 24 hours ahead of Warrenpoint Town's biggest ever fixture.
Common problem for GAA clubs when you have players playing Irish League. Used to be that both sports could have been combined, not any more though.
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 14, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Going out on a limb here but maybe they prefer soccer and give it preference!
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Chicken and egg situation.Do you spend a pile of money hoping to get promotion or wait until you actually do? Seems to me that waiting is most sensible.
Heard that Newry were looking a colossal rental fee for the show grounds.That is ridiculous and just sour grapes.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
The ground is nowhere near meeting the required standards at the moment and as such the 'Point have agreed a ground share with Dungannon Swifts. Newry, Portadown and Glenavon all refused their own grounds for various reasons.
In relation to T Fearon's comment about Newry not explaining their reasons, that's nonsense. There are various reasons such as the state of the pitch, who has preference for the ground in the event of a fixture clash (which will inevitably happen as Newry will be in an endless amount of cup competitions at Mid Ulster level) and last but not least the issue of rates.
Newry negotiated a much better rates package with Department of Finance than had previously been in place (a cut in excess of £15,000) due to the fact they were competing at a much lower level. By allowing the 'Point to use the ground the Dept. of Finance could see a top tier side using the ground and thus impose the appropriate rates. There's a lot much more to it than people realise.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
Chicken and egg situation.Do you spend a pile of money hoping to get promotion or wait until you actually do? Seems to me that waiting is most sensible.
They were basically caught on the hop with promotion. Last year they finished 3rd from bottom in Championship One and playing in the Irish Premier League would have been the furthest thing from their minds. With Newry's demise they wasted no time in getting a lot of the Newry squad which finished in 2nd position last season. There's no way they could have foreseen that they'd need to develop their ground so quickly.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
Heard that Newry were looking a colossal rental fee for the show grounds.That is ridiculous and just sour grapes.
You heard or are just speculating?
As for sour grapes, explain then why Newry allowed the 'Point to use the Showgrounds only last month for a Mid Ulster Cup tie? They could easily have said no. Or perhaps you just didn't know that happened!?
Still think that something could be agreed by Newry.Rates shouldnt be an issue,can't see how this can be linked with the status of teams playing there,and the odd clash could be resolved by agreement of all four teams involved to reschedule.
Apart from inconvenience of travelling to Dungannon,Warrenpoint Town playing home games in Newry can only benefit Newry City FC and the City in general as money will come into both club and city at every fixture.
Na they are bringing their big game footie to Tyrone. Two professional teams playing from stanch more, 200 fans between them
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
So they would rather pay their players than develop the club and the infrastructure around it for the next generation of kids coming through the club. This is what is wrong local soccer, well one of the main things anyway, everyone standing with their hand out with next to no loyalty to the club paying them.
That's semi and full time professional sport.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 15, 2013, 07:56:10 AM
That's semi and full time professional sport.
Yeah Im not naive enough not to realise that, but then they are standing with their hand out to local authorities and governments crying about their facilities, its supposed to be 'their' club and their responsibility to develop it.
Warrenpoint town have been caught out by their quick success but what they aren't doing is filling the pockets of mercenary Irish League players. I think it was only last season that they actually started to pay players and even though they are destined for the top league next year their club still has a mid-ulster type feel to it. Barry Gray is the manager but from little knowledge I do have on the situation i've heard he is chief financier and basically owns the Football Club.
Just hope they don't become victims of their own success. Cash will have to be splashed to sustain this, but inevitably their better young players will be snapped up by bigger clubs, and the cash they will bring in will be necessary for the club's survival but their loss will be detrimental to the club's on field performances.
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 14, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Some absurd comments on this topic by ill informed people. Firstly those two lads who are the centre of defence for the Point team probably opted out of this game the evening before the second leg and just 48 hours after the first leg - makes sense, one game won't make much difference. Having said that Shaun Parr played for Rostrevor Wed night against Loughinisland the night after the first leg - a bit of a non runner of an argument I'm afraid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
As been said before no the ground doesn't meet the standards and at the moment will be playing at Stangmore Park in Dungannon for home games, not ideal but something which had to be negotiated and sorted pretty quickly. DC will be firmly stuck in Championship 1 next season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Another ill informed comment. The club in no way would have though Premiership football would have come round so soon. As has been said the fact we managed to get a good few Newry players propelled the club from sustaining their place in Champ 1 last season to promotion candidates this season. It was neither financially or logistically viable for the ground to be up to required standards for the IPL next season.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 15, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
So they would rather pay their players than develop the club and the infrastructure around it for the next generation of kids coming through the club. This is what is wrong local soccer, well one of the main things anyway, everyone standing with their hand out with next to no loyalty to the club paying them.
Where does one start with this. 4 years ago the club was in Mid Ulster Intermediate A league and similarly the youth teams were in the same regional Mid Ulster leagues for their levels. The club has worked tirelessly over the last number of years developing the coaches for underages with UEFA and FIFA qualifications, developing a small ground with basic 'pub team' facilities, to somewhere with a full 3G training pitch, perimeter fenced off playing field, a covered seated stand, catering for match days for officials and supporters, tannoy system, a new permanent club house with changing faciltites, storage, small bar and social area - all of this costs a lot of money, and given that the club is indeed Amateur, a lot of effort and funding is required to complete all of this. The first team is now in the Irish Premier Division and all the youth teams are playing very competitively in the NI National youth leagues - how is all of that for developing the 'infrastructure' of the club over such a short time?
Plans are already in place for developing the ground further up to Irish League standard, however funding and sponsorship is still being sourced. Yes Mr Gray has been very generous with the sponsorship and the work he has done for the club is far beyond the call of duty, however he can only give so much of his companies money for sponsorship, there will be other people/companies needed to come onboard for future developments. In addition to this Barry Gray does not 'own' the club, there are a group of decision makers within the club who have vast experience in different areas of business who all pull together for the good of the club, there are some very unsung heroes within the set up without who this development would not be possible.
As for paying players - the players get a mere weekly expense which only started this season, which would just about cover their costs of getting to training/games 3 times a week, there is no 'salary' as such as the club cannot afford this sort of expenditure. So I hope you can see that from Warrenpoint's example there is not much wrong with local soccer, we should be proud of what we have achieved and how we have gone about it. The constant development and strive for success in the club is down to everyone involved from the coaches of underage to the board of directors and trustees which I have mentioned. A soundly run club with hopefully a bright future - I think the infrastructure is coming along nicely thanks!
Ps Unlike a lot of other Amateur and not so Amateur groups the club does not owe a huge amount to gov or councils. Rates reliefs are available for the club because of the status and money owed is controllable and a small amount overall and being paid off accordingly.
Firstly well done to Warrenpoint. But how good do facilities have to be for the irish league? If point get 50/60 fans now say that increases to 200 for pl games, apart from Linfield how many away fans can they expect. Most GAA club matches in lower divisions cope with that with grass slopes. Yes segregation is unfortunately needed for football, but Warrenpoint could have to spend a fortune then maybe get relegated the next year, then they have no call for an up to standard ground.
How much would they need to spend , do they need toilets and a bit of wire fencing????
Quote from: supersub on May 15, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 14, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Some absurd comments on this topic by ill informed people. Firstly those two lads who are the centre of defence for the Point team probably opted out of this game the evening before the second leg and just 48 hours after the first leg - makes sense, one game won't make much difference. Having said that Shaun Parr played for Rostrevor Wed night against Loughinisland the night after the first leg - a bit of a non runner of an argument I'm afraid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
As been said before no the ground doesn't meet the standards and at the moment will be playing at Stangmore Park in Dungannon for home games, not ideal but something which had to be negotiated and sorted pretty quickly. DC will be firmly stuck in Championship 1 next season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Another ill informed comment. The club in no way would have though Premiership football would have come round so soon. As has been said the fact we managed to get a good few Newry players propelled the club from sustaining their place in Champ 1 last season to promotion candidates this season. It was neither financially or logistically viable for the ground to be up to required standards for the IPL next season.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 15, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
So they would rather pay their players than develop the club and the infrastructure around it for the next generation of kids coming through the club. This is what is wrong local soccer, well one of the main things anyway, everyone standing with their hand out with next to no loyalty to the club paying them.
Where does one start with this. 4 years ago the club was in Mid Ulster Intermediate A league and similarly the youth teams were in the same regional Mid Ulster leagues for their levels. The club has worked tirelessly over the last number of years developing the coaches for underages with UEFA and FIFA qualifications, developing a small ground with basic 'pub team' facilities, to somewhere with a full 3G training pitch, perimeter fenced off playing field, a covered seated stand, catering for match days for officials and supporters, tannoy system, a new permanent club house with changing faciltites, storage, small bar and social area - all of this costs a lot of money, and given that the club is indeed Amateur, a lot of effort and funding is required to complete all of this. The first team is now in the Irish Premier Division and all the youth teams are playing very competitively in the NI National youth leagues - how is all of that for developing the 'infrastructure' of the club over such a short time?
Plans are already in place for developing the ground further up to Irish League standard, however funding and sponsorship is still being sourced. Yes Mr Gray has been very generous with the sponsorship and the work he has done for the club is far beyond the call of duty, however he can only give so much of his companies money for sponsorship, there will be other people/companies needed to come onboard for future developments. In addition to this Barry Gray does not 'own' the club, there are a group of decision makers within the club who have vast experience in different areas of business who all pull together for the good of the club, there are some very unsung heroes within the set up without who this development would not be possible.
As for paying players - the players get a mere weekly expense which only started this season, which would just about cover their costs of getting to training/games 3 times a week, there is no 'salary' as such as the club cannot afford this sort of expenditure. So I hope you can see that from Warrenpoint's example there is not much wrong with local soccer, we should be proud of what we have achieved and how we have gone about it. The constant development and strive for success in the club is down to everyone involved from the coaches of underage to the board of directors and trustees which I have mentioned. A soundly run club with hopefully a bright future - I think the infrastructure is coming along nicely thanks!
Ps Unlike a lot of other Amateur and not so Amateur groups the club does not owe a huge amount to gov or councils. Rates reliefs are available for the club because of the status and money owed is controllable and a small amount overall and being paid off accordingly.
So how is this huge success going to affect the GAA clubs id mentioned.
How will the players you mentioned play both codes next year assuming that they are so central to their club teams.
For a Rostrevor man you seem to be so very 'well informed'. Its good that you're able to enlighten us ill-informed.
I look forward to the Warrenpoint Soccer Club contributing to the local community in Warrenpoint and the people that they represent for years to come. Would be nice to see all these homegrown first team players going back to grassroots and into the local schools in the town they all attended themselves and give something back.
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 15, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 15, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 14, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Some absurd comments on this topic by ill informed people. Firstly those two lads who are the centre of defence for the Point team probably opted out of this game the evening before the second leg and just 48 hours after the first leg - makes sense, one game won't make much difference. Having said that Shaun Parr played for Rostrevor Wed night against Loughinisland the night after the first leg - a bit of a non runner of an argument I'm afraid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
As been said before no the ground doesn't meet the standards and at the moment will be playing at Stangmore Park in Dungannon for home games, not ideal but something which had to be negotiated and sorted pretty quickly. DC will be firmly stuck in Championship 1 next season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Another ill informed comment. The club in no way would have though Premiership football would have come round so soon. As has been said the fact we managed to get a good few Newry players propelled the club from sustaining their place in Champ 1 last season to promotion candidates this season. It was neither financially or logistically viable for the ground to be up to required standards for the IPL next season.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 15, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
So they would rather pay their players than develop the club and the infrastructure around it for the next generation of kids coming through the club. This is what is wrong local soccer, well one of the main things anyway, everyone standing with their hand out with next to no loyalty to the club paying them.
Where does one start with this. 4 years ago the club was in Mid Ulster Intermediate A league and similarly the youth teams were in the same regional Mid Ulster leagues for their levels. The club has worked tirelessly over the last number of years developing the coaches for underages with UEFA and FIFA qualifications, developing a small ground with basic 'pub team' facilities, to somewhere with a full 3G training pitch, perimeter fenced off playing field, a covered seated stand, catering for match days for officials and supporters, tannoy system, a new permanent club house with changing faciltites, storage, small bar and social area - all of this costs a lot of money, and given that the club is indeed Amateur, a lot of effort and funding is required to complete all of this. The first team is now in the Irish Premier Division and all the youth teams are playing very competitively in the NI National youth leagues - how is all of that for developing the 'infrastructure' of the club over such a short time?
Plans are already in place for developing the ground further up to Irish League standard, however funding and sponsorship is still being sourced. Yes Mr Gray has been very generous with the sponsorship and the work he has done for the club is far beyond the call of duty, however he can only give so much of his companies money for sponsorship, there will be other people/companies needed to come onboard for future developments. In addition to this Barry Gray does not 'own' the club, there are a group of decision makers within the club who have vast experience in different areas of business who all pull together for the good of the club, there are some very unsung heroes within the set up without who this development would not be possible.
As for paying players - the players get a mere weekly expense which only started this season, which would just about cover their costs of getting to training/games 3 times a week, there is no 'salary' as such as the club cannot afford this sort of expenditure. So I hope you can see that from Warrenpoint's example there is not much wrong with local soccer, we should be proud of what we have achieved and how we have gone about it. The constant development and strive for success in the club is down to everyone involved from the coaches of underage to the board of directors and trustees which I have mentioned. A soundly run club with hopefully a bright future - I think the infrastructure is coming along nicely thanks!
Ps Unlike a lot of other Amateur and not so Amateur groups the club does not owe a huge amount to gov or councils. Rates reliefs are available for the club because of the status and money owed is controllable and a small amount overall and being paid off accordingly.
So how is this huge success going to affect the GAA clubs id mentioned.
How will the players you mentioned play both codes next year assuming that they are so central to their club teams.
For a Rostrevor man you seem to be so very 'well informed'. Its good that you're able to enlighten us ill-informed.
I look forward to the Warrenpoint Soccer Club contributing to the local community in Warrenpoint and the people that they represent for years to come. Would be nice to see all these homegrown first team players going back to grassroots and into the local schools in the town they all attended themselves and give something back.
They will do when they are paid to do so
Surely not.
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 15, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 15, 2013, 10:50:32 AM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 14, 2013, 11:50:12 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 14, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ranch on May 11, 2013, 05:23:17 PM
It's amazing that 2 years ago when Warrenpoint Town were winning IFA Championship 2 and Newry City were being relegated that the majority of the players who secured the 'Point's promotion were languishing the Carnbane League.
Stevie Moan up until last year was captain of Newry Celtic. Two years ago Rambo was playing up front for the Bessbrook Utd team which reached the Junior Cup final whilst younger brother Dingo was up front for Cleary Celtic. Kenny Kearns was also part of the Bessbrook Utd side that reached that Junior Cup final. Mark Hughes was playing for Crieve Rovers and Stephen "Giggsy" McCabe was lining out for Windmill Stars. Only for Newry's relegation and subsequent reliance on local players they might never have got a chance at this level. With Newry's demise Barry Gray wasted no time in getting these lads. Fair play to all of them, junior to senior football in two years is a great achievement.
All very true, good to see these guys getting a chance at the higher level having proved themselves on the way up.
Boyle and Cowan both back playing GAA for the point too now just to note, along with Gary Boyle who is also in the squad.
Where were those fellas last Thursday night when their club needed them against an average Mayobridge side when they lost by 7pts? Surely the Point GAA club arent too happy with that. And what of the other GAA clubs that these fellas play for, Bosco, Annaclone, Rostrevor etc.
Some absurd comments on this topic by ill informed people. Firstly those two lads who are the centre of defence for the Point team probably opted out of this game the evening before the second leg and just 48 hours after the first leg - makes sense, one game won't make much difference. Having said that Shaun Parr played for Rostrevor Wed night against Loughinisland the night after the first leg - a bit of a non runner of an argument I'm afraid.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 07:03:26 PM
Do Warrenpoint meet the IFA stadium standards? Whatever they are and if not will the DC still be playing Premiership football next year?
As been said before no the ground doesn't meet the standards and at the moment will be playing at Stangmore Park in Dungannon for home games, not ideal but something which had to be negotiated and sorted pretty quickly. DC will be firmly stuck in Championship 1 next season.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Probably no preference,but soccer pays and on the eve of a second leg promotion play off,even if Warrenpoint Town permitted it,they're hardly going to opt for a GAA club game.
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Yes heard that Newry isn't available, reasons? And by playing in the league below surely if you have ambitions of getting into the premiership then you need to be ready for it, if not why bother?
Another ill informed comment. The club in no way would have though Premiership football would have come round so soon. As has been said the fact we managed to get a good few Newry players propelled the club from sustaining their place in Champ 1 last season to promotion candidates this season. It was neither financially or logistically viable for the ground to be up to required standards for the IPL next season.
Quote from: NAG1 on May 15, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2013, 07:41:38 AM
What money? Average gate as someone posted was 53;-)
So they would rather pay their players than develop the club and the infrastructure around it for the next generation of kids coming through the club. This is what is wrong local soccer, well one of the main things anyway, everyone standing with their hand out with next to no loyalty to the club paying them.
Where does one start with this. 4 years ago the club was in Mid Ulster Intermediate A league and similarly the youth teams were in the same regional Mid Ulster leagues for their levels. The club has worked tirelessly over the last number of years developing the coaches for underages with UEFA and FIFA qualifications, developing a small ground with basic 'pub team' facilities, to somewhere with a full 3G training pitch, perimeter fenced off playing field, a covered seated stand, catering for match days for officials and supporters, tannoy system, a new permanent club house with changing faciltites, storage, small bar and social area - all of this costs a lot of money, and given that the club is indeed Amateur, a lot of effort and funding is required to complete all of this. The first team is now in the Irish Premier Division and all the youth teams are playing very competitively in the NI National youth leagues - how is all of that for developing the 'infrastructure' of the club over such a short time?
Plans are already in place for developing the ground further up to Irish League standard, however funding and sponsorship is still being sourced. Yes Mr Gray has been very generous with the sponsorship and the work he has done for the club is far beyond the call of duty, however he can only give so much of his companies money for sponsorship, there will be other people/companies needed to come onboard for future developments. In addition to this Barry Gray does not 'own' the club, there are a group of decision makers within the club who have vast experience in different areas of business who all pull together for the good of the club, there are some very unsung heroes within the set up without who this development would not be possible.
As for paying players - the players get a mere weekly expense which only started this season, which would just about cover their costs of getting to training/games 3 times a week, there is no 'salary' as such as the club cannot afford this sort of expenditure. So I hope you can see that from Warrenpoint's example there is not much wrong with local soccer, we should be proud of what we have achieved and how we have gone about it. The constant development and strive for success in the club is down to everyone involved from the coaches of underage to the board of directors and trustees which I have mentioned. A soundly run club with hopefully a bright future - I think the infrastructure is coming along nicely thanks!
Ps Unlike a lot of other Amateur and not so Amateur groups the club does not owe a huge amount to gov or councils. Rates reliefs are available for the club because of the status and money owed is controllable and a small amount overall and being paid off accordingly.
So how is this huge success going to affect the GAA clubs id mentioned.
How will the players you mentioned play both codes next year assuming that they are so central to their club teams.
For a Rostrevor man you seem to be so very 'well informed'. Its good that you're able to enlighten us ill-informed.
I look forward to the Warrenpoint Soccer Club contributing to the local community in Warrenpoint and the people that they represent for years to come. Would be nice to see all these homegrown first team players going back to grassroots and into the local schools in the town they all attended themselves and give something back.
Firstly what has where I'm from got to do with anything or how informed I am? Simply setting a few things straight as there were a few rather rash statements from people who obviously don't know the full details of what they are talking about. I agree it is good that others can be informed about it because if it is talked about on here no doubt it is talked in the same manner out on the street, so good to get the proper facts out there.
As for playing both codes I'm not sure how it will affect all of them but my immediate thoughts are of Shaun Parr and how he is Rostrevor's best player and can't see much changing with that, I would nearly say that if he was told to cut down on the GAA he would probably give up the soccer! But all remains to be seen. Boyle and Cowan left the GAA due to a disagreement and are now back with the change of management, I can say no more than that for them.
As for the players giving back and the club providing for the community, I don't know where this is coming from and seems to be a cheap dig. Warrenpoint Town FC has provided Premiership football to the town and has grassroots schemes in place for a number of years, provide coaching/football from children as young as under 8s right up to u17, Reserve and Senior sides, what more can a club give back to the community? Not quite sure what you are getting at here. In terms of players going back to shcools etc, you do realise that all of these players have fulltime jobs and then training and play for the club too? When do you propose they go into these schools? Take and hour or two off work or what? As it is a number of boys in particular Rambo struggle to get to their own training on all of the allocated nights because of time of work shifts etc, football is not a fulltime job, football is their hobby and they are giving enough commitment to the club and community at this time.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 15, 2013, 07:30:38 AM
Still think that something could be agreed by Newry.Rates shouldnt be an issue,can't see how this can be linked with the status of teams playing there,and the odd clash could be resolved by agreement of all four teams involved to reschedule.
Apart from inconvenience of travelling to Dungannon,Warrenpoint Town playing home games in Newry can only benefit Newry City FC and the City in general as money will come into both club and city at every fixture.
So you were just speculating all along then?
Quote from: ranch on May 15, 2013, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 15, 2013, 07:30:38 AM
Still think that something could be agreed by Newry.Rates shouldnt be an issue,can't see how this can be linked with the status of teams playing there,and the odd clash could be resolved by agreement of all four teams involved to reschedule.
Apart from inconvenience of travelling to Dungannon,Warrenpoint Town playing home games in Newry can only benefit Newry City FC and the City in general as money will come into both club and city at every fixture.
So you were just speculating all along then?
Never!!! Tony is a well informed person, he knows the quickest routes form Central station and everything ;)
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 15, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
So how is this huge success going to affect the GAA clubs id mentioned.
What's your solution then? Outlaw soccer for GAA players?
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on May 15, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
How will the players you mentioned play both codes next year assuming that they are so central to their club teams.
Maybe some of them might stop playing GAA? Two of the lads played for my own club up 'til this season but haven't featured yet this year. Understandable surely considering the huge prize they were playing for?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
MR2 Warrenpoint Town's ground doesnt meet standards so they will have to play home games at a venue that does.Newry show grounds 7 miles up the road is ideal but for a reason that has yet to be clearly explained,this venue isn't available.
Newry statement on their decision not to groundshare with Warrenpoint Town;
"The Newry City AFC Management Committee have released the following statement regarding their recent decision not to ground-share with Warrenpoint Town FC for the 2013/2014 season:
The management committee of Newry City Athletic Football Club wishes to take this opportunity to respond to recent unfair and uninformed criticism over its decision not to share Newry Showgrounds with Warrenpoint Town in the forthcoming football season.
Newry City AFC has an excellent working relationship with Warrenpoint Town. In the season just finished the Newry management committee was happy to agree to a request from Warrenpoint to use the Showgrounds to play an outstanding Mid Ulster Cup match under lights. Within twenty four hours of Warrenpoint winning promotion, Newry sent a letter congratulating Warrenpoint on their promotion to the Danske Bank Premiership where we hope they do very well next season.
After a traumatic period, Newry City is in the process of rebuilding and we look forward to playing Warrenpoint Town in Premiership football one day.
Unfortunately, however, Newry are not currently in a position to ground share with Warrenpoint Town, or for that matter, with anyone else. The reasons are as follows:
• The playing surface at The Showgrounds would not stand up to the extra traffic in the Winter months that would occur as a result of groundsharing;
• In order to host Premiership football a licence is required. Newry Showgrounds does not have this licence because Newry City will now be playing intermediate football. The cost of acquiring such a licence runs to thousands of pounds;
• Newry Showgrounds is currently rated as an amateur ground. If it were to be rated for professional football this would increase Newry City's rates bill by approximately 400%;
• The Showgrounds' insurance premium would increase by approximately 100% if professional football were to be played there; and
• if groundsharing were to take place, there could also be potential difficulties around the scheduling of matches.
Yours in Sport
Newry City Athletic Football Club"http://www.newrycityafc.co.uk/?p=822
No doubt that won't be good enough for T Fearon! :)
It's not good enough for me Ranch.
The playing surface at The Showgrounds would not stand up to the extra traffic in the Winter months that would occur as a result of groundsharing;
This is somewhat vain. The pitch would undoubtedly suffer a little, and if a harsh winter, even a lot. But hosting 50-60 games a year should not, in normal circumstances, prove too big a strain for a pitch in Ireland, the grass-growing capital of the world. Carnbane League pitches, which get minimal groundskeeping, support easily twice as many games a season.
Plus, if Newry look at this as part of a bigger picture, getting council/lotto funding for a full 4G pitch will be a lot easier with a groundshare between two related communities.
• In order to host Premiership football a licence is required. Newry Showgrounds does not have this licence because Newry City will now be playing intermediate football. The cost of acquiring such a licence runs to thousands of pounds;
• Newry Showgrounds is currently rated as an amateur ground. If it were to be rated for professional football this would increase Newry City's rates bill by approximately 400%;
• The Showgrounds' insurance premium would increase by approximately 100% if professional football were to be played there; and
So in total, maybe £15-30k extra, all of which would (in any sensible arrangement) be covered by Warrenpoint as part of the tenancy agreement. Warrenpoint wouldn't be long recouping the outlay through a) travel cost savings, b) increased spectators through the gate, and c) increased advertising revenues from local businesses.
if groundsharing were to take place, there could also be potential difficulties around the scheduling of matches.
Across the water, the Madejski Stadium, DW Stadium, Liberty Stadium, and KC Stadium not only prove that where there's a will there's a way, but that this will can extend across competing sports, and can also bridge the need for fields to be marked for different sports on the one weekend. Potential doesn't create difficulties. People create difficulties, and if a sport as cash-strapped as senior football in NI cannot find a way to facilitate fixtures for groundsharing clubs, then it truly is doomed.
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Where there's a will there's a way.
The will isn't there.
Agreed.Any additional costs would be borne by Warrenpoint as tenants.FFS let both clubs get together and do a deal with Newry and Mourne Council.The income brought into Newry City (ie not just the football club) by both home and away supporters,every second Saturday,should be enough to convince the Council to deal.
Newry City don't want to see Warrenpoint Town become an established premiership club because that would hinder their own ambitions.That's the long and short of it.
Is that such a bad thing though?seems reasonable enough to me.why would they help get warren point established as a premiership side when that is their own ambition,and there is realistically only room for one large club in the region.i might be being naive,but surely the directors of newry fc have an obligation to look out for the best interests of their own club.
Nothing wrong with it.But the lies and spin about why they allegedly can't allow Warrenpoint to use the Showgrounds simply shows their pettiness.
Newry City are probably a good five years at least away from the Irish Premiership,maybe even more if Warrenpoint consolidate,and by that time Warrenpoint will have ,ong since sorted their own home ground
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2013, 10:28:40 PM
It's not good enough for me Ranch.
The playing surface at The Showgrounds would not stand up to the extra traffic in the Winter months that would occur as a result of groundsharing;
This is somewhat vain. The pitch would undoubtedly suffer a little, and if a harsh winter, even a lot. But hosting 50-60 games a year should not, in normal circumstances, prove too big a strain for a pitch in Ireland, the grass-growing capital of the world. Carnbane League pitches, which get minimal groundskeeping, support easily twice as many games a season.
Plus, if Newry look at this as part of a bigger picture, getting council/lotto funding for a full 4G pitch will be a lot easier with a groundshare between two related communities.
• In order to host Premiership football a licence is required. Newry Showgrounds does not have this licence because Newry City will now be playing intermediate football. The cost of acquiring such a licence runs to thousands of pounds;
• Newry Showgrounds is currently rated as an amateur ground. If it were to be rated for professional football this would increase Newry City's rates bill by approximately 400%;
• The Showgrounds' insurance premium would increase by approximately 100% if professional football were to be played there; and
So in total, maybe £15-30k extra, all of which would (in any sensible arrangement) be covered by Warrenpoint as part of the tenancy agreement. Warrenpoint wouldn't be long recouping the outlay through a) travel cost savings, b) increased spectators through the gate, and c) increased advertising revenues from local businesses.
if groundsharing were to take place, there could also be potential difficulties around the scheduling of matches.
Across the water, the Madejski Stadium, DW Stadium, Liberty Stadium, and KC Stadium not only prove that where there's a will there's a way, but that this will can extend across competing sports, and can also bridge the need for fields to be marked for different sports on the one weekend. Potential doesn't create difficulties. People create difficulties, and if a sport as cash-strapped as senior football in NI cannot find a way to facilitate fixtures for groundsharing clubs, then it truly is doomed.
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Where there's a will there's a way.
The will isn't there.
Regarding the groundsharing element of it, in Irish League football, particularly at lower levels, there are numerous cup competitions. If Newry are drawn at home on the same day W/Point have a home league fixture what would happen? Reverse the fixture? Always an option but why should they, it's their ground.
Regarding the increase in rates etc, Newry put it to Warrenpoint about all of this and neither side, probably wisely, were willing to fork out the extra cash involved. If Warrenpoint were prepared to pay the extra cash for this it would be foolish from a business perspective on their part. The will may not be there as you put it, but it's certainly not all Newry's fault.
There are a number of ways round the fixture thing to be fair, earlier kick off for one team or Friday night game for one team etc and given the rarity of this happening it shouldn't be a huge problem. Newry don't see it in their best interest to groundshare and the decision has been accepted and respected by Warrenpoint and should be by everyone else too. I do however think they should have left it at that and not bothered with this statement - odd timing and don't think it makes them look very good to be honest. A lot of it is quite petty to the neutral observer it seems.
What sort of crowd were Newry getting before they went under? Realistically, how many of them will be back to support the new club when they're playing intermediate football in Mid Ulster or Ballymena or wherever they end up?
They may think that Warrenpoint playing at the showgrounds will attract fans from Newry's catchment area but realistically there is no real competition between the clubs to attract support. These new "fans" may come out to watch Warrenpoint v Linfield or Cliftonville but they're not going to be rushing to the showgrounds to see Newry v Broomhedge or Seagoe. Allowing Warrenpoint to groundshare may increase the general interest in local soccer within the town, which may benefit Newry in the long term.
Newry got infinitely more support when they were a junior club, and might do so again now they are an intermediate club. Probably due to the fact that lower status clubs use more players from the local community etc, and football is more of a sport and less of a business at that level.
Still think there is a deal to be worked out, between Newry City Warrenpoint Town and Newry and Mourne Council which would allow Warrenpoint to play games at the Showgrounds cost effectively.
Maybe they could adopt Newry as a nursery club :P
I think it is dead in the water now to be fair and Warrenpoint have accepted and moved on - it would look bad on Newry if they were to go back on their decision given the release of the statement from the club this week too.
Good win for the Point against Ards tonight! First points in the Premier division and two points ahead of Linfield already! ;D
Playing against Newry tomorrow. Should be interesting to see what team they have on show.
Newry played Bourneview (Portadown) last week.Mighty mighty comedown,on a wee pitch on the Tandragee Road.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2013, 10:37:45 PM
Newry played Bourneview (Portadown) last week.Mighty mighty comedown,on a wee pitch on the Tandragee Road.
And won comfortably. A mighty comedown indeed but they have to start somewhere.
Were you at the game? Remember scoring a cracking goal against Bourneview on that same pitch over 30 years ago.Irony is Bourneview's Pepperton Park is less than two miles from Shamrock Park,the Portadown pitch Newry's more familiar with.
How is that "Irony"?
4-0 defeat at the hands of a very good Newry side. Didn't help that we had 6 first team players at Slane, but no matter. Predict Newry to go straight up to Championship 2 within two years.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2013, 11:50:21 PM
Were you at the game? Remember scoring a cracking goal against Bourneview on that same pitch over 30 years ago.Irony is Bourneview's Pepperton Park is less than two miles from Shamrock Park,the Portadown pitch Newry's more familiar with.
I don't see the irony at all to be honest.
Another very credible performance by the Point against Cliftonville today,(who are by a mile the best team in the league).Point only succumbed to two late goals.Shows that they're capable of holding their own in this league and still two points ahead of Linfield ;D
The point have managed to cling on to their place in the Irish League Premiership, but only just.
Great achievement especially since they were two nil down going into second leg last night
They should have won comfortably last night, hit the woodwork a number of times.
At least they got the job done.Big pressure all the same with two goal deficit to retrieve
I dont know how you boys can take this league seriously when on at least one occasion this season a team has travelled to a match without a single supporter.
Is the success of Warrenpoint Town inversely proportional to that of the Down footballers ?
In a way Seafoid.A lot of Warrenpoint Town players are involved with the local GAA club who reached this year's All Ireland Intermediate Club Final.It is only when that competition ended that the soccer club put a run of results together which saved them from a bottom place finish in the league and automatic relegation.
Warrenpoint Town were only founded twenty eight years ago and to reach the Irish Premier League (now I know it's not Serie A or La Liga) and stay in it for three years is a hell of an achievement on minimal resources.They need a bigger and more regular support base home and away.
Quote from: Feckitt on May 04, 2015, 02:50:16 PM
I dont know how you boys can take this league seriously when on at least one occasion this season a team has travelled to a match without a single supporter.
I call BS on this one, someone provides facebook updates on the fanzone page for all their games home and away. I know a few lads who went to Ballinamallard on a wet Friday night to watch the point and they seem to go to most games. They aren't that well supported, that isn't in doubt, but they have a few ardent supporters. Maybe Tony will adopt them.
Was at the home game with Cliftonville this year,which ended in a one all draw.First Irish League game I was at for five years.Would go more often but time constraints prevent it.
Age old problem for Warrenpoint is the thriving junior soccer scene in South Down,played mainly on Saturday afternoon,which involves a lot of people who might otherwise go,and as a new club trying to establish themselves it will take time to build a decent support.Hopefully this will improve as they consolidate and maybe even challenge for a cup.They do need to hold on to that lad Hughes as well.
warrenpoint relegated from the irish premiership today after an absolutely shocking decision by the referee to award dungannon a penalty in injury time cost them the 3 points that would have kept them up. check out the decision from the ref in the video....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36120825
Shocking decision to award a penalty for that. It's either a 50/50 collision or a free out.
Seriously, that is one of the worst penalty decisions I've seen awarded!
Dungannon player should have been charged with assault. Shocking decision.
Holy jaysus that's ridiculous. Got a text last nite advising backing the Point as Dungannon were putting out half a team, dunno if that's the way it panned out, but they were in 2 of my bets today at 10/11 :-\
Let me down for a 53/1 bet.May be a blessing in disguise and a chance to consolidate.If they hold on to their local players they should be straight back up.Only 5 points at Xmas told the tale and a similar struggle would ensue next year.
Standard of refereeing in Irish League is atrocious.Portadown were blatantly robbed in last year's Irish Cup Final.That should have been a free kick to Warrenpoint instead of a penalty.
local players?
what local players would they be?
Confirmed that the Referee is from............. yes Carrickfergus!!!!! The most shocking decision i think ive ever seen.
That is truly shocking.Point should take legal action.
Dunlop was the same referee that robbed Portadown in last year's Irish Cup Final.Why is he even still refereeing? As Barry Gray said in papers today that decision could potentially ruin the club.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2016, 11:50:29 PM
local players?
what local players would they be?
John Boyle, Paudraig Smith, Stephen & Mark Hughes, Stephen Moan, Jonathan Parr, Liam Bagnall, Darren King.
From Warrenpoint ie grew up, reside in the area, attended school etc there.
Clutchin at straws there supersub. Its a team thrown together of people that have no gra for or proper affiliation with Warrenpoint.
See how many of them are still playing for this team in next 3 years.
They're all from the locality,or most of them.Barry Gray said he was having trouble recruiting from outside the area due to the perceived travelling,as some thought Warrenpoint was near Dublin!
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2016, 05:09:00 PM
From Warrenpoint ie grew up, reside in the area, attended school etc there.
Clutchin at straws there supersub. Its a team thrown together of people that have no gra for or proper affiliation with Warrenpoint.
See how many of them are still playing for this team in next 3 years.
That's a tad unfair. From my recollection, the Point gave more players from Newry & Mourne Premiership football in the past 2 years, than Newry City in their final decade. You could add Danny Hughes and Jonny Cowan to the list above. Also the bulk of the team that took them up had been there a few seasons and went on to play for them in top flight ball. Very few clubs could make a statement like that.
TBH Brick if you want to narrow it down further and only allow people from within 2 miles of the middle of the Point, let's be honest, you'll not make much impact in senior soccer circles.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 04, 2016, 06:22:53 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2016, 05:09:00 PM
From Warrenpoint ie grew up, reside in the area, attended school etc there.
Clutchin at straws there supersub. Its a team thrown together of people that have no gra for or proper affiliation with Warrenpoint.
See how many of them are still playing for this team in next 3 years.
That's a tad unfair. From my recollection, the Point gave more players from Newry & Mourne Premiership football in the past 2 years, than Newry City in their final decade. You could add Danny Hughes and Jonny Cowan to the list above. Also the bulk of the team that took them up had been there a few seasons and went on to play for them in top flight ball. Very few clubs could make a statement like that.
TBH Brick if you want to narrow it down further and only allow people from within 2 miles of the middle of the Point, let's be honest, you'll not make much impact in senior soccer circles.
On the contrary I think you're the one clutching at straws Brick by narrowing it down in that fashion. Apologies if a few mentioned are from four miles up the dual carriageway! I agree that there are a lot of players from Belfast and surrounding plus Dundalk, but there is still local blood in the squad. As with any team sport, the higher you go up the rankings, the better, more experienced personnel you need. Naturally there will be a drop off of local talent in an area like Warrenpoint. But I'd say they have done extremely well to keep those 6 or 7 local lads in the squad, plus a few others who left during the course of the year.
If you put yourself at Mr Dunlop's angle, it could be construed as a high knee into the opposing player's midriff. Decision penalty kick.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 06, 2016, 12:30:35 AM
If you put yourself at Mr Dunlop's angle, it could be construed as a high knee into the opposing player's midriff. Decision penalty kick.
WUM.
Warrenpoint Town might be getting a reprieve, ineligible players rears its head again in this joke of a league, the relegation play-off tonight meaningless as Warrenpoint will play-off and Carrick Rangers will be relegated.
Seriously though, and I think Soccor as a sport has its place but why do they pay players when they have no money themselves? All these semi pros etc.. Would they not be better changing the model and admit that Ireland and Irish people have little enough money of their own without going to see and pay wages of lads who would play the game anyway as their hobby if they werent paid. Some clubs dont even own their own pitches supposedly and yet pay out hundreds of pounds a week to guys who are no more capable of making it as a professional footballer than the man on the moon.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 01, 2016, 12:21:35 AM
Confirmed that the Referee is from............. yes Carrickfergus!!!!! The most shocking decision i think ive ever seen.
Absolutely disgraceful appointment, having watched that decision about twenty times he should never be allowed to ref at any level ever again.
The point can apoesl all they want but deck all will be done, I hope they bounce straight back up and Carsick get relegated next term.
Skinner Bradley got an Irish Cup medal today with Glenavon and set up the opening goal in a 2 nil win over Linfield.
Just after watching that incident for the first time and the Dungannon players guilty reaction holding his hands out and walking away quickly said everything. He probably feared a red card but instead was awarded a penalty!! Corruption must be rife in the Irish League when you witness that.
Quote from: T Fearon on August 16, 2013, 10:37:45 PM
Newry played Bourneview (Portadown) last week.Mighty mighty comedown,on a wee pitch on the Tandragee Road.
Promoted to the Premiership last night!!