I just recently discovered that Portlaoise used to be known as Maryborough, and was named after Queen Mary of England. Were there many towns which changed name after independence I only know of a few,
Kingstown - Now Dun Laoghaire
Queenstown - Now Cobh
Maryborough - Now Portlaoise
Queens County - Now Co Laois
Kings County - Now Co Offaly
There are a few in the North as well, but obviously no name change is onthe horizon.
Brookeborough, Co Fermanagh
Craigavon, Co Armagh
Birr used to be Parsonstown.
Daingean (The Offaly version) used to be Philipstown
Can I include villages?
Up until about 1603, we were called Fenwicks Pass. Then Lieutenant Charles Poyntz from Gloucestershire, England chased the local Irish clan (O'Hanlon) and the village was renamed in his honour as Poyntzpass.
Knightsbridge Station - Heuston Station
QuoteThere are a few in the North as well, but obviously no name change is on the horizon.
perhaps they'll finally get their act together in Londonderry.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 02, 2012, 10:34:35 PM
QuoteThere are a few in the North as well, but obviously no name change is on the horizon.
perhaps they'll finally get their act together in Londonderry.
nearly there- Derry City Council, City Of Derry Airport. I wouldnt be worried about the london bit as much as the recent obsession with naming new housing estates after similar developments England etc- the meadows, etc just another example of continued anglicisation of our towns and villages
In cavan you have virginia, bailieborough and cootehill. Edgeworthstown in longford. Sure there are probably loads of them
Grafton St.in Dublin is named after a Cromwellian General who in fact never set foot in Dublin. We should be ashamed that this has never been rectified
Ballinascreen - Draperstown. We were originally Ballinascreen but colonised by the Drapers when the English landed.
It causes problems when Derry matches are in Screen and nobody can find it on a map!
Do Normans count! If so Castlebar (Barry's Castle).
Louisburgh in County Mayo is the only town in Ireland named after a place in North America, a local landord named it in honour of his uncle (or nephew) who was involved in a siege in Canada between the British and French. Strangely French spelt town in the West of Mayo, however not pronounced that way here in Mayo.
Brownlow, after Charles Brownlow, a landlord brought into north Armagh when Lurgan was established at plantation time. Brownlow was later to become the name of one of the new parts of Craigavon and was supposed to be nearly as big as Lurgan itself. Craigavon was supposed to consist of four districts called Lurgan, Brownlow, Mandeville, and Portadown. Lurgan and Portadown held on to their identities as distinct towns, Brownlow became a vandalized collection full of ghost estates with dereliction spreading for square mile after square mile. They built half of what they planned and half of what they built was demolished. Only one estate (called Parkmore) was built in Mandeville and it's a grip.
Should have picked a good fenian name!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 03, 2012, 01:24:31 AM
Louisburgh in County Mayo is the only town in Ireland named after a place in North America, a local landord named it in honour of his uncle (or nephew) who was involved in a siege in Canada between the British and French. Strangely French spelt town in the West of Mayo, however not pronounced that way here in Mayo.
Nope, Louisburg was named for Louisa-Catherine , daughter of Admiral Richard Howe and wife of the Earl of Altamount (later first Marquis of Sligo). It's possible her name has connections to the battle in Nova Scotia, but there is no direct link to the naming of the Mayo town.
In Fermanagh someone has already mentioned Brookeborough and Irvinestown. There's also Newtownbutler and though not named after a person, Garrison which supposedly takes its name from a garrison established by King Billy after the Battle of Aughrim. I'd think Florencecourt takes its name from the wife/daughter of some planter
Quote from: AQMP on April 03, 2012, 09:38:39 AM
In Fermanagh someone has already mentioned Brookeborough and Irvinestown. There's also Newtownbutler and though not named after a person, Garrison which supposedly takes its name from a garrison established by King Billy after the Battle of Aughrim. I'd think Florencecourt takes its name from the wife/daughter of some planter
Was it not named after Florence & the Machine?
Newtownforbes - Longford
The Forbes family resided in Castleforbes, which has its entrance in the centre of the village. The land around Newtownforbes was granted to the Forbes Family in 1621. The family was in service to the Crown and successive generations were promoted to Viscount, Baronet and eventually Earldom.
The Forbes family changed the name of the village from Lisbrack to Newtownforbes in around 1750 but the post office stamp used today still has the Irish version 'An Lios Breac'.
Newtownhamilton was known as Tullyvallan before the Plantation. The place its name from Alexander Hamilton, a descendant of the John Hamilton from Scotland who founded Hamiltonsbawn in 1619.
Ashbourne in Co.Meath was known as Killeglan (Cill Dhéagláin, "Déaglán's church"). It was then taken over and fortified by Anglo-Normans led by Hugh De Lacy and later Cromwells son who lived in Killegland Castle. It was renamed by Fredrick Bourne who set up a tollbooth 10 Irish miles (hence the 9 mile stone still standing outside the town) from Dublin and later the village grew up around it. The ash bit of the name was because it was his favourite tree. The new street in the town built during the last decade was named Killegand Street.
Renaming of towns is a bit of a touchy subject for me. However we might feel about something politically it is part of us and our history. Now perhaps it is acceptable to change a name to reflect the true or changing culture of a place (Bombay to Mumbai) but to eradicate something from our history I think we might lose more than we gain and distorts our true identity and make-up.
Another particular subject that bothers me as mentioned earlier is the naming of new housing estates that do not reflect the local history or townlands. Names like "The Paddocks" or "Alder Brook" sound like they were named as a marketing tool as opposed to any real consideration to the locality. Not only that but their architecture doesn't relate either. I could go on, as talking about Celtic Tiger housing estates and the Irish planning system drive me up the wall.
I have no eveidence or knowledge to back this up, but I would assume Carlingford in county Louth would be one.
Castleblayney, Co Monaghan.
The town of Castleblayney originated in the aftermath of the Tudor conquest of Gaelic Ulster, following the Nine Years' War, 1583-1601. Forfeited secular lands in the area previously owned by the MacMahon chieftains were granted by the Crown in 1611 to Sir Edward Blayney from Montgomeryshire in Wales, who became Baron of Monaghan and later, the first Lord Blayney. He had been in the service of Queen Elizabeth I. Appropriated church land (or 'termon') of Muckno Friary (Augustinians|Augustinian) on the northeastern side of the lake in the Churchill area (Mullandoy) had already been granted to him in 1606/7.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 10:17:19 AM
I have no eveidence or knowledge to back this up, but I would assume Carlingford in county Louth would be one.
The placename Carlingford is rendered in Irish Cairlinn. The name is derived from the Old Norse Kerlingfjorðr, whch means "narrow sea-inlet of the hag". The name may refer to the nearby Mourne Mountains, known as the "Three Nuns
I think I know that hag.
Quote from: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 10:17:19 AM
I have no eveidence or knowledge to back this up, but I would assume Carlingford in county Louth would be one.
Named after the lager? :)
Would be a fjord (as in Scandinavian fjords). Like strangford etc.
Kerlingfjorðr - place of the stag doos.
We are kind of getting off thread here lads, There are no doubt hundreds of examples throughout every county, but the op was to see what other if any towns had changed back from the British name to the original irish name.
So far we only have,
Birr used to be Parsonstown.
Daingean (The Offaly version) used to be Philipstown
Dun Laoighaire used to be Kingstown
Portlaoise used to be Maryborough
Cobh used to be Queenstown
Any others?
I assumed wrong then! Thanks lads, everyday is a school day.
The brits while they were stationed there took the liberty of renaming Ballykelly in Derry Wallworth! Never heard a soul revered to it by that though!
Quote from: Feckitt on April 03, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
We are kind of getting off thread here lads, There are no doubt hundreds of examples throughout every county, but the op was to see what other if any towns had changed back from the British name to the original irish name.
So far we only have,
Birr used to be Parsonstown.
Daingean (The Offaly version) used to be Philipstown
Dun Laoighaire used to be Kingstown
Portlaoise used to be Maryborough
Cobh used to be Queenstown
Any others?
But some of the most interesting and informative threads are those that "go off thread".
Quote from: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 11:01:50 AM
I assumed wrong then! Thanks lads, everyday is a school day.
The brits while they were stationed there took the liberty of renaming Ballykelly in Derry Wallworth! Never heard a soul revered to it by that though!
Good point Mucker!
And I think we have a new category here...A new 'town' descends on the edge of another town, place signs go up, and now the town and signs (I think) have disappeared again! Colonisation for the information ages.
Any other examples of that?
Quote from: Feckitt on April 02, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
There are a few in the North as well, but obviously no name change is onthe horizon.
Brookeborough, Co Fermanagh
Craigavon, Co Armagh
Erm, Feckitt I think you took it off topic in your opening post when you mentioned Brookeborough and Craigavon!
Quote from: thejuice on April 03, 2012, 10:12:03 AM
Another particular subject that bothers me as mentioned earlier is the naming of new housing estates that do not reflect the local history or townlands. Names like "The Paddocks" or "Alder Brook" sound like they were named as a marketing tool as opposed to any real consideration to the locality. Not only that but their architecture doesn't relate either. I could go on, as talking about Celtic Tiger housing estates and the Irish planning system drive me up the wall.
Estate names are often desperate attempts at sophistication that come across as craven.
Dammitt Rois, you're right!
Derrytresk used to be called Muckhart's Gout.
In Mayo we have a few interesting town names:
Killala: named in honour of the crusades.
Shrule: named after the local nuns vow of silence (Shh - rule).
Bohola: Bó Hola - after a cow that could speak spanish.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 02, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
I just recently discovered that Portlaoise used to be known as Maryborough, and was named after Queen Mary of England. Were there many towns which changed name after independence I only know of a few,
Kingstown - Now Dun Laoghaire
Sorry to be pedantic but your very first one is wrong. Kingstown was renamed before independence.
http://blog.goireland.com/2008/09/02/a-guide-to-dun-laoghaire/#axzz1qzKpV6O9 (http://blog.goireland.com/2008/09/02/a-guide-to-dun-laoghaire/#axzz1qzKpV6O9)
QuoteDún Laoghaire derives its name from the Fort (Dún) of Laoghaire. King Laoghaire was the ancient High King of Ireland before the invasion of the Vikings. It was also named Kingstown by King George IV to honour his visit to the town, and it retained this name through the Victorian Era until just before the declaration of Irish Independence in 1920, when the Town Council voted to rename the town Dún Laoghaire.
/Jim
Binghamstown, (An Geata Mór) on the Mullet peninsula.
Mountfalcon, a part of my own parish still left Anglicised - named after Lord Mountfalcon, I believe.
There is also a townland outside Ballintubber, Portroyal, which was 'corrupted' from Partraí. There is a place called Partry nearby though.
Strabane means "claimant".
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
In Mayo we have a few interesting town names:
Killala: named in honour of the crusades.
Very good.
Were you waiting ages for a suitable occasion to post that ?
Harristown is 53 miles from Dublin and is named after the well known British imperialist Eoghan Harris
Not a town but still..20 Major
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
In Mayo we have a few interesting town names:
Killala: named in honour of the crusades.
Very good.
Were you waiting ages for a suitable occasion to post that ?
Sadly I don't plan that far ahead. I just thought about funny sounding names in my own county. For the first time ever I wished I was from Meath.
Nobber is crying out for a link to British Imperialism.
You're such a w**ker Muppett
QuoteNobber is crying out for a link to British Imperialism.
Quote from: Feckitt on April 03, 2012, 06:49:39 PM
You're such a w**ker Muppett
And there it is.......
Quote from: HiMucker on April 03, 2012, 10:17:19 AM
I have no eveidence or knowledge to back this up, but I would assume Carlingford in county Louth would be one.
Classic post
What about hackballscross on the border of louth and armagh, dare i ask what that is named after?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 03, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
What about hackballscross on the border of louth and armagh, dare i ask what that is named after?
Excellent question.
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2012, 05:58:03 PM
For the first time ever I wished I was from Meath. Nobber is crying out for a link to British Imperialism.
My neighbouring townland, Clatterstown should be linked to British subjugation too, if there's any justice.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 03, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
What about hackballscross on the border of louth and armagh, dare i ask what that is named after?
Many years ago a BBC NI newsreader took great pleasure in announcing an "apology" along the following lines on air one evening:
"In my report on a news item yesterday, I erroneously referred to the village of Hackballs Cross as 'Hackbollocks Cross'. I would like to apologise for any confusion this may have caused."The same boy later moved to England, where he does the Voiceover on some very famous programmes.
Anyhow, when it comes to Brit names etc, I'm surprised no-one has brought up this place:
http://www.kilmoregenealogy.com/Bastardstown.htm
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
In Mayo we have a few interesting town names:
Killala: named in honour of the crusades.
Very good.
Were you waiting ages for a suitable occasion to post that ?
Reminds me of the 1980's when I was stopped by the UDR
Neville: "Where have you bin?"
Orior "I've been to Killiman"
Neville: "Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!! Where are you going now?"
Orior "To Killmore"
Nevillle: "Get tha fa outta oh that vehicle you orish ****"
Quote from: Orior on April 03, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 03, 2012, 05:27:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 03, 2012, 03:01:22 PM
In Mayo we have a few interesting town names:
Killala: named in honour of the crusades.
Very good.
Were you waiting ages for a suitable occasion to post that ?
Reminds me of the 1980's when I was stopped by the UDR
Neville: "Where have you bin?"
Orior "I've been to Killiman"
Neville: "Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaat!!!!!!!!!!! Where are you going now?"
Orior "To Killmore"
Nevillle: "Get tha fa outta oh that vehicle you orish ****"
James Young & Frank Carson were on the phone lookin for their joke back ;)
Is Wallworth not GLACK!!! LOL!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
What's the story with Charlemont, near The Moy?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 04, 2012, 12:00:45 AM
What's the story with Charlemont, near The Moy?
Charlemont, was he not one of the leaders of the Volunteer movement in 1782? maybe it was named after him
Hackballscross is named after Hackball's pub, formerly situated at the crossroads.
Andersonstown? Orginally Dun Fionn, then Whitesidestown (or so I was told at school on the 70s)
Quote from: Feckitt on April 03, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
We are kind of getting off thread here lads, There are no doubt hundreds of examples throughout every county, but the op was to see what other if any towns had changed back from the British name to the original irish name.
So far we only have,
Birr used to be Parsonstown.
Daingean (The Offaly version) used to be Philipstown
Dun Laoighaire used to be Kingstown
Portlaoise used to be Maryborough
Cobh used to be Queenstown
Any others?
A man told me Ballydesmond was Kingwilliamstown
Mountbellew in Galway was originally called an Creagán.
Frenchpark in Roscommon is another town named after a landlord.
As is Eyrecourt in Galway.
Quote from: theticklemister on April 03, 2012, 11:58:33 PM
Is Wallworth not GLACK!!! LOL!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
careful now...
What about Eglinton?!
'
The village of Eglinton was originally known as Muff, and alternatively as Moigh, Mough or Moyegh (all anglicised from Irish: Magh / an Mhagh meaning "the plain").[6] These were the names of the townland on the site of the original settlement.[6] The village was founded in 1619 by the Grocers' Company of London. As part of the Plantation of Ulster, James I had granted a large area (15,900 acres) of Faughanvale parish to the Grocers in 1609.'
fck me, it used to be Muff! Never knew that...Bring back Muff!
Waringstown.
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2012, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 03, 2012, 11:58:33 PM
Is Wallworth not GLACK!!! LOL!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
careful now...
What about Eglinton?!
'The village of Eglinton was originally known as Muff, and alternatively as Moigh, Mough or Moyegh (all anglicised from Irish: Magh / an Mhagh meaning "the plain").[6] These were the names of the townland on the site of the original settlement.[6] The village was founded in 1619 by the Grocers' Company of London. As part of the Plantation of Ulster, James I had granted a large area (15,900 acres) of Faughanvale parish to the Grocers in 1609.'
fck me, it used to be Muff! Never knew that...Bring back Muff!
Bit of a dive.
I'll get me coat.
(http://www.muffdivingclub.net/img/hp/main/mi4_1.jpg)
AZOffaly and AQMP - get your timing right!
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
Bagenalstown in Carlow now called Muine Bheag
Not bad for us Derry City ones..............we have 2 Muffs close by.
1. 5 miles into the Donegal border
2. 4 miles on your way to Limavady (Leim na Mhadaigh, leap of the dog)
Quote from: sheamy on April 04, 2012, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: theticklemister on April 03, 2012, 11:58:33 PM
Is Wallworth not GLACK!!! LOL!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
careful now...
What about Eglinton?!
'The village of Eglinton was originally known as Muff, and alternatively as Moigh, Mough or Moyegh (all anglicised from Irish: Magh / an Mhagh meaning "the plain").[6] These were the names of the townland on the site of the original settlement.[6] The village was founded in 1619 by the Grocers' Company of London. As part of the Plantation of Ulster, James I had granted a large area (15,900 acres) of Faughanvale parish to the Grocers in 1609.'
fck me, it used to be Muff! Never knew that...Bring back Muff!
It wasn't renamed Eglinton due to the plantation though. It was because peoples post was going to Muff in Donegal. There's a forest near Eglinton called Muff Glen :)
Mostrim in Longford was called Edgeworthstown after Maria Edgeworths Clann who were the local landlords,
In Ros we have :
Cootehall ( Uachtar Tíre)
Castlecoote ( Baile Mhic Oireachtaigh)
Frenchpark (Dun Gar)
Would Mostrim & Muine Bheag not be more commonly known as Edgeworthstown & Bagenalstown?
What do the locals call it?, and what would outsiders more commonly call it?
Quote from: Ulick on April 03, 2012, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 03, 2012, 01:24:31 AM
Louisburgh in County Mayo is the only town in Ireland named after a place in North America, a local landord named it in honour of his uncle (or nephew) who was involved in a siege in Canada between the British and French. Strangely French spelt town in the West of Mayo, however not pronounced that way here in Mayo.
Nope, Louisburg was named for Louisa-Catherine , daughter of Admiral Richard Howe and wife of the Earl of Altamount (later first Marquis of Sligo). It's possible her name has connections to the battle in Nova Scotia, but there is no direct link to the naming of the Mayo town.
Thanks Ulick, I have obviously been misinformed on this event (on more than one occasion). Do you have a source I can read further on the correct version of Louisburgh's history.
newry named after the nucks who still live there
Sion Mills?
New Buildings?
Castledawson/Sean Mullach
Bangor
Bushmills
Hannahstown
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 04, 2012, 03:40:45 PM
Thanks Ulick, I have obviously been misinformed on this event (on more than one occasion). Do you have a source I can read further on the correct version of Louisburgh's history.
Don't worry about it MGHU, if you need to know anything else about Mayo just ask me, I'll keep you right.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 02, 2012, 10:32:06 PM
Knightsbridge Station - Heuston Station
Heuston Station was formerly known as Kingsbridge Station. It was renamed after Sean Heuston in 1966 on the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Rising.
Quote from: Onlooker on April 05, 2012, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 02, 2012, 10:32:06 PM
Knightsbridge Station - Heuston Station
Heuston Station was formerly known as Kingsbridge Station. It was renamed after Sean Heuston in 1966 on the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Rising.
Speaking of 1966. As far as I can recall, this was when Nelson was blown up on O'Connell Street. If he hadn't been blown up (badly) , would he still be standing? I mean, it was nearly 50 years since Ireland got it's independence, and a British monument was still standing in the main street of Ireland's capital city! Nelson should've been wired with explosives as the Brits were leaving Ireland.
Not only that, but the amount of streets/buildings/parks in Dublin that still have British names, Sir this street and Royal this, Royal that. I could never understand all that. I mean, come on, isn't it time to get rid of the Britishness? Or maybe Dublin is proud of it's Britishness?
Quote from: BennyCake on April 05, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on April 05, 2012, 11:57:29 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 02, 2012, 10:32:06 PM
Knightsbridge Station - Heuston Station
Heuston Station was formerly known as Kingsbridge Station. It was renamed after Sean Heuston in 1966 on the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Rising.
Speaking of 1966. As far as I can recall, this was when Nelson was blown up on O'Connell Street. If he hadn't been blown up (badly) , would he still be standing? I mean, it was nearly 50 years since Ireland got it's independence, and a British monument was still standing in the main street of Ireland's capital city! Nelson should've been wired with explosives as the Brits were leaving Ireland.
Not only that, but the amount of streets/buildings/parks in Dublin that still have British names, Sir this street and Royal this, Royal that. I could never understand all that. I mean, come on, isn't it time to get rid of the Britishness? Or maybe Dublin is proud of it's Britishness?
He should have been taken down carefully and put in a museum, I would have stuck up someone like Wolfe Tone. There was a statue of Queen Victoria outside the Dáil for many years, its now in a prominent spot in Sydney, again this should have been stuck in a museum.
Quote from: Aerlik on April 05, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
Sion Mills?
New Buildings?
Castledawson/Sean Mullach
Bangor
Bushmills
Hannahstown
The Sion in Sion Mills is Irish, "Suidhe Fhinn", there is a nearby townland "Seein"
Bangor is also Irish, "Beannchar", like Banagher in Derry?
The "Bush" in Bushmills is from the River Bush "An Bhuais"
Quote from: Feckitt on April 04, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
Would Mostrim not be more commonly known as Edgeworthstown?
What do the locals call it?, and what would outsiders more commonly call it?
Edgytown, or...
Moyross North, or...
Minsk West, or...
Frankilbridistan.
Quote from: LaurelEye on April 05, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on April 04, 2012, 03:35:06 PM
Would Mostrim not be more commonly known as Edgeworthstown?
What do the locals call it?, and what would outsiders more commonly call it?
Edgytown, or...
Moyross North, or...
Minsk West, or...
Frankilbridistan.
Or............................ Racist c***ville
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Perhaps, but I also read that Prendergast and Fitzmaurice have the same surname in Irish? Could this be true??? :o
Boyle tis an oul garrison town in Roscommon........ Had my nicest pint of stout there,pure velvet I tell ya! Shit town however!
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 06, 2012, 07:39:03 AM
What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?
Dungannon. Named after Grand Master Arthur Dung LOL 433.
As was said before Cootehill would fall into this category...
Named after Thomas Coote - a Colonel in the Cromwellian Army and when he married Francis Hill of Hillsborough, they named the name Cootehill
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 06, 2012, 07:39:03 AM
What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?
Windsor Park?
Edgeworthstown was named after the local landlords, The Edgeworths.
They were benevolent enough and there are very few records of evictions. Richard Lovell Edgeworth was all in favour of Catholic Emancipation and later on his successors were very good to the local people during Famine times. I think in the 20s there was a vote to officially change the name of the town back to Mostrim (Meathus Troim - irish for fertile ridge) but it was defeated.
So while the parish, the local senior team and the train station are known as Mostrim, the town is Edgeworthstown. We're a contrary lot for sure.
Moorehall in Mayo named after the Catholic Moore family: http://www.moorehall.net/ (http://www.moorehall.net/)
As landlords went they were about the best. During the famine it was famously recorded that not a single tenant was evicted from their lands and that upon losing a husband the Moore's gave the new widow a cow to help feed her family. George Henry Moore also famously won a huge bet on a horse race in England and gave each family on his land a cow from the winnings. This was in Mayo in 1846 during the height of the famine.
Maurice Moore fought in the Boer war but unusually for a British soldier fought for civil rights in South Africa and for the relief of Irish prisoners held in English jails.
The family house was burned down by local ideologues.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Perhaps, but I also read that Prendergast and Fitzmaurice have the same surname in Irish? Could this be true??? :o
Well, not quite the same but reasonably close. After all, we're talking Mayo where anything is what you want it to be.
Stuff logic and convention; neither bulled a cow yet!
The name 'Fitzmaurice' is a patronymic. It means the son (descendent) of Maurice-whoever he might be. So the Fitzes around Clare could be descendents of Maurice De Prendergast for all I know. So the surnames are not the same but the Fitzemaurices are a sept of the De Prendergast gang.
(Clear as mud, isn't it? ;))
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 06, 2012, 01:16:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Perhaps, but I also read that Prendergast and Fitzmaurice have the same surname in Irish? Could this be true??? :o
Well, not quite the same but reasonably close. After all, we're talking Mayo where anything is what you want it to be.
Stuff logic and convention; neither bulled a cow yet!
The name 'Fitzmaurice' is a patronymic. It means the son (descendent) of Maurice-whoever he might be. So the Fitzes around Clare could be descendents of Maurice De Prendergast for all I know. So the surnames are not the same but the Fitzemaurices are a sept of the De Prendergast gang.
(Clear as mud, isn't it? ;))
Well can you find out please?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Lar you are correct, the Clar was on the Ballinrobe Road about 200 yards after Sams Pub. There are two lakes in Claremorris connected by a small river, the bridge was over this river. Prendergast is still a very common name around the Claremorris area. There are ruins of an old Norman castle on the Claremorris to Balla road about 500 yards before the Beaten Path (on a hill on the right hand side as you go to Balla) this I believe was an old Norman Castle belonging to the Prendergasts.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 06, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
I take it this is the same place as the famous song 'Woodlands of Loughlynn'?
The one & only also the home of the ballad 'The One Sided Town Of Loughglynn'. Btw is Castlecaulfield still so called?
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 06, 2012, 07:39:03 AM
What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?
Dixon Park, Ballyclare.
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 06, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Lar you are correct, the Clar was on the Ballinrobe Road about 200 yards after Sams Pub. There are two lakes in Claremorris connected by a small river, the bridge was over this river. Prendergast is still a very common name around the Claremorris area. There are ruins of an old Norman castle on the Claremorris to Balla road about 500 yards before the Beaten Path (on a hill on the right hand side as you go to Balla) this I believe was an old Norman Castle belonging to the Prendergasts.
I think it is called Brieze Castle.
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 06, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
From the same link:
QuoteThe Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.
Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:
QuoteThe tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 07, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 06, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
From the same link:
QuoteThe Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.
Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:
QuoteThe tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.
Is that the same Dillon who had Ballaghaderreen moved from Mayo to Roscommon?
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 07, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 06, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
From the same link:
QuoteThe Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.
Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:
QuoteThe tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.
Yep, he wasn't the worst of them!!
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 06, 2012, 11:31:17 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 06, 2012, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on April 05, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 05, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: moysider on April 04, 2012, 01:07:02 PM
Barorrny of Tyrawley, Co. Mayo. Tyrawley Terrace in Ballina.
Binghamstown, near Belmullet.
The Quay in Ballina used to be Crockets Town.
Anybody mention Boyle. Co. Roscommon?
While the British created the baronies and named their landlords after them etc. Tyrawley is actually an Anglicised version of Tír Amhlaoidh. Same with the Barony of Erris, Iorras Domhnan as Gaeilge, and the Barony of Burrishoole, Buireas Umheall. It's also interesting to note that the Barony of Clanmorris, where Claremorris takes it's modern name in Irish from is also from and there would be a few Fitzmaurices in that area still today. Don't know how the spelling variation came about however.
It was Maurice De Prendergast and not the Fitzmaurices who gave the town its name.
"Clár" is the old Irish term for a bridge and ASAIK, it refers to a particular type of structure.
It was built by laying one or more tree trunks across the river in question and roping them together if necessary.
I don't recall the location of the clar that was named after Maurice. I remember me oul' fella telling me where it was as we passed through the town one time but, as usual, I wasn't listening.
Lar you are correct, the Clar was on the Ballinrobe Road about 200 yards after Sams Pub. There are two lakes in Claremorris connected by a small river, the bridge was over this river. Prendergast is still a very common name around the Claremorris area. There are ruins of an old Norman castle on the Claremorris to Balla road about 500 yards before the Beaten Path (on a hill on the right hand side as you go to Balla) this I believe was an old Norman Castle belonging to the Prendergasts.
I think it is called Brieze Castle.
Yeah, that's the one alright.
I came across the following on the castlebar.ie website.
(http://www.castlebar.ie/stories/annals.html#brize) (http://(http://www.castlebar.ie/stories/annals.html#brize))
The History of Ancient Brize CastleA distinctive landmark between Balla and Claremorris is Brize castle. A ruined castle is present, and the original fort here was built by the Prenderghasts, descended from Maurice de Prenderghast, a companion of the Norman 12th century baron, Richard Strongbow ( Richard FitzGilbert de Clare, earl of Pembroke.)
Prenderghast influence spread throughout the district. Their family became known as " Clann Muiris na mBri." ( The Clann Morris of Bree.) Bree rather then Brize is the older name of the district, and Bree or Bri means hill in Irish Gaelic. Bri having a resemblance to the Scottish word for hill, brae.
Both the town of Claremorris, ( Clann Morris) and the barony name Clanmorris, takes their name from them. ( A barony is an ancient territorial unit.)
During the Middle Ages larger families began to divide into smaller offshoots, and the Clann Muiris were no exception. Some of them became known as the Mac Muris or Mac Morris ( Meaning son of Morris. Mac in Irish Gaelic means 'son of'.) The Mac Morris family in turn subdivided, and offshoots included the Mac Garailts or Mac Garretts.
By the reign of Elizabeth I in the 16th century, Brize castle belonged to Walter oge Mac Morris, who was in effect the ruler of a Gaelic Lordship. By being called ' oge' ( og, Irish Gaelic for the word young) it shows how far the Anglo-Norman families had become part of the fabric of Irish society, being throughly part of the Irish culture and way of life.
I was attempting to follow up on what I had said to Farrandeelin about the De Prendergast/ Fitzmaurice connection. The Fitzmaurices he refers to are the Mac Morris sept mentioned here.
BTW, there's an old song about Clare Morris that I heard sung once or twice in the general Claremorris area.
I can only recall the first verse. It goes like this:
There's a colleen so fair andher first name is Clare.
She's the daughter of big Mickey Morris.
I'd save his oul' hay and I'd go without pay
Just to spend my nights in Clare Morris.
Anyone know the rst of it? ;D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 06, 2012, 12:38:44 PMSo while the parish, the local senior team and the train station are known as Mostrim, the town is Edgeworthstown.
The parish was always (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,626555,771949,4,7) Mostrim, and the train station is very definitely now Edgeworthstown.
QuoteWe're a contrary lot for sure.
Ah, not as contrary as the Connollys or the Kaynas.
CLARE MORRIS
I was walking to town with the sun going down.
My feet feeling sore from the mileage.
I was covered in sweat and my clothes were all wet,
Having spent the whole day making silage,
When a lady drove up and she came to a stop
And says she "Are you going to Claremorris?"
Well, she shouted "Get in" with a cute little grin
And she told me that she was Clare Morris.
CHORUS: She was lovely and fair, and her first name was Clare,
The daughter of big Mickey Morris;
But the gleam in her eye was the real reason why
I fell madly in love with Clare Morris.
Now her beauty was rare and I thought then and there
How lucky I was to have met her,
But I felt ill at ease in my old dungarees
And my Wellingtons often smelt better.
Oh, but she was so neat from her head to her feet.
So delightful; she looked very dishy.
She was tastefully dressed and I sure was impressed
How she handled her new Mitsubishi. CHORUS
Now I'll never forget the next time that we met.
Big Tom and his band were in Midas.
I was having a jar with the boys at the bar.
She came over and stood right beside us.
I was wearing a suit and a good dash of Brut
And considered myself quite the charmer,
So I just couldn't wait so I asked her up straight:
"Would you like to come home with a farmer?"
Now says she with a laugh "Do you think I'm a calf,
Or what is the cause of your hurry?
Wouldn't I be a twit to be covered in grit
And smelling like that awful slurry?
If I gave you my hand I'd own half your land
And I suppose you'd expect me to plough it.
Now get on with your dance. You haven't a chance,
For my husband would never allow it." CHORUS.
I think John Duggan sang it, and came across this version by Seamus Moore (at least i think its the same song, can't access it as I'm at work)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89TFW3ZIiw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89TFW3ZIiw)
Anybody have info on the Anglo-Celt cup?? (Ulster Championship)
Goats don't shave -The Evictions, youtube it, some tune me boys!!!
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Quote from: AQMP on April 05, 2012, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: Aerlik on April 05, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
Sion Mills?
New Buildings?
Castledawson/Sean Mullach
Bangor
Bushmills
Hannahstown
The Sion in Sion Mills is Irish, "Suidhe Fhinn", there is a nearby townland "Seein"
Bangor is also Irish, "Beannchar", like Banagher in Derry?
The "Bush" in Bushmills is from the River Bush "An Bhuais"
Thanks lad, the Finn being a reference to the river, no doubt. I had heard about Bangor but wasn't sure.
This may be common knowledge in the 6 counties but I always wondered where the name Crossmaglen Rangers came from.
Why Rangers? I presume it pre-dates who we associate the name with nowadays.
Any idea BC!?
(N.B. this is neither a political question nor a piss-take.)
Nemo Rangers also. Rangers is just a name , like Rovers, Celtic, United. Which a lot of sporting teams use after the name of the club.
Quote from: muppet on April 07, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
This may be common knowledge in the 6 counties but I always wondered where the name Crossmaglen Rangers came from.
Why Rangers? I presume it pre-dates who we associate the name with nowadays.
Any idea BC!?
(N.B. this is neither a political question nor a piss-take.)
The team in Cross had been known mostly as the Red Hands up till 1908 when on the suggestion of a commericial traveller from Dundalk who was the captain of Louth the team should adopt the colours and name of the Louth county champions Dundalk Rangers. This was agreed and the bllack and amber jersey in Cross ame into usage. At the time there were many clubs called Rangers, Rovers, Celtic and other such names. At one stage there was actually a Cross rangers and a cross celtic!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 07, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: muppet on April 07, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
This may be common knowledge in the 6 counties but I always wondered where the name Crossmaglen Rangers came from.
Why Rangers? I presume it pre-dates who we associate the name with nowadays.
Any idea BC!?
(N.B. this is neither a political question nor a piss-take.)
The team in Cross had been known mostly as the Red Hands up till 1908 when on the suggestion of a commericial traveller from Dundalk who was the captain of Louth the team should adopt the colours and name of the Louth county champions Dundalk Rangers. This was agreed and the bllack and amber jersey in Cross ame into usage. At the time there were many clubs called Rangers, Rovers, Celtic and other such names. At one stage there was actually a Cross rangers and a cross celtic!!
Forgot about Nemo (how could I forget them!). There is still a Mattock Rangers in Louth also.
Quote from: theticklemister on April 07, 2012, 07:56:53 AM
Anybody have info on the Anglo-Celt cup?? (Ulster Championship)
Goats don't shave -The Evictions, youtube it, some tune me boys!!!
The Anglo celt is the local newspaper in Cavan. Why its was called the anglo celt I don't know but I'd guess to try and remain impartial by trying to appeal to both sides of the community.
Quote from: Myles Na G. on April 06, 2012, 07:39:03 AM
What about towns / railway stations / sports stadia in Ireland named after Irish fools and fanatics?
Ah that old chestnut! ;D
Still a lot of Irish organisations with the word Royal in their name. Is there a bit of snobbery going on?
Quote from: hardstation on April 07, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
I always thought it was just one of those names like Rovers and Wanderers.
You have Laune Rangers as well.
There's also Mount Leinster Rangers from Carlow.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 07, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
The team in Cross had been known mostly as the Red Hands up till 1908 when on the suggestion of a commericial traveller from Dundalk who was the captain of Louth the team should adopt the colours and name of the Louth county champions Dundalk Rangers. This was agreed and the bllack and amber jersey in Cross ame into usage. At the time there were many clubs called Rangers, Rovers, Celtic and other such names. At one stage there was actually a Cross rangers and a cross celtic!!
And I've heard of a Cross Geraldines as well.
Quote from: BennyCake on April 08, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 07, 2012, 12:07:46 PM
The team in Cross had been known mostly as the Red Hands up till 1908 when on the suggestion of a commericial traveller from Dundalk who was the captain of Louth the team should adopt the colours and name of the Louth county champions Dundalk Rangers. This was agreed and the bllack and amber jersey in Cross ame into usage. At the time there were many clubs called Rangers, Rovers, Celtic and other such names. At one stage there was actually a Cross rangers and a cross celtic!!
And I've heard of a Cross Geraldines as well.
Met a couple of cross Geraldines in my day, one of them was fecking livid.
Carbery Rangers, Skellig Rangers, Feale Rangers, there's a club just called Rangers in New York, and how could we leave out Budapest Rangers
http://www.budapestrangers.com/
There was a Geraldines team from Camlough up until 80's/90's. Cruppen B's
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on April 07, 2012, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 07, 2012, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: ziggy90 on April 06, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 06, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Charlestown used to be called Newtown-Dillon, but was renamed after Charles Strickland, an agent of Lord Dillon.
The area was known as Dillontown before the town was established.
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm (http://www.irelandgenweb.com/irlmay/townlands/Charlestown.htm)
That Lord Dillon must have owned some size of an estate, was not his home in Ireland what was once Loughglynn Convent. Local folklore has it that the morter for the estate walls was mixed with the blood of the famine dead
From the same link:
QuoteThe Dillons were a prominent family who came to Ireland around the time of the Norman invasion. They held government office and owned land in much of Connaught including 83,000 acres in Mayo. It may be of interest that in addition to serving prominently in Ireland the Dillon family served in France's well-known Irish Brigade. In fact, the name of the famous "Regiment de Dillon" is recorded on the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.
Don't know about Dillon, but Strickland seems to have been daycent:
QuoteThe tenants on Lord Dillon's estate were fortunate because Strickland came to their assistance and personally labored to get food to those in need. He worked with the local Relief Committees to have resolutions passed calling on the government to set up Relief Depots in East Mayo. He purchased cargoes of Indian meal and corn and set up depots on the estate to keep the famine at bay. His efforts saved a large portion of the residents of Charlestown from starvation.
Is that the same Dillon who had Ballaghaderreen moved from Mayo to Roscommon?
i'm thinking that these are the same dillons who owned castle dillon on the armagh portadown road an estate that once boasted 3700 acres thats most of mid armagh. they sold it and between here and there it was awarded to a french family the molyneaux not actually their name but the name of the town in france from which they came who fought for the brits in one of the many anglo french wars but they retained the name castle dillon bits were sold off until it was split between the tayto crisp family and another large farmer the castle itself is now an old folks home. its the best land in the county of armagh with the castle over looking a beautiful lake. when it was sold off in the 80s the asking price was 1 million stg for the lot.. it was for nothing
Carbery Rangers (http://www.carberyrangers.ie/home.html)were founded in 1887, so they probably started it!
Rangers, like Rovers, are just hardy manly types that you'd want on your team.
I'd say the people who named Cross' didn't even know what teams in Glasgow were called and this whole Glasgow thing does not echo strongly in South Armagh.
"I'd say the people who named Cross' didn't even know what teams in Glasgow were called and this whole Glasgow thing does not echo strongly in South Armagh. "
Correct!
Laune Rangers in Kerry too. Actually Rangers might be the most successful suffix in the gaa when you consider what nemo, cross and killorglin have won!
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on April 08, 2012, 08:51:25 AM
There's also Mount Leinster Rangers from Carlow.
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Not to mention the Fighting Cocks
The BBC are having a field day with Queens Town recently.
Quote from: ziggysego on April 10, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
The BBC are having a field day with Queens Town recently.
Is this the failed voyage of a certain ship to the 13 colonies?