What rule changes will be introduced after yesterdays result:
1) Game timing will have to be looked at. That game could have been finished in a draw.
2) Goalkeepers taking freekicks, with Brogan not up for it if the goalie thing had a rule attached, then maybe Cluxton would have had to stay in goals.
3) As someone said last night if the game had been the same length as club games and level accross the spectrums of clubs and counties, Kerry would have won that all ireland. Why play a different length of time at club and county level ie 70 min V 60 min. Is there any other sport in the world that does this. Perhaps Kerry mentally switched off because they felt the game was over.
4) if a video ref was introduced Brennan may have seen red. The free kick in the Kerry square may not have happened.
All potential rule changes for us to mull over during the national league.
For the benefit of the GAA's coffers in future all matches in which Dublin are playing in either code will not be deemed finished until Dublin are in front. At that point the Referee may blow his whistle.
I would bring in a rule that you are only allowed to play Limerick maximum a couple of times to get to an all Ireland final. Thon Kerry team were knackered.
Forwards cannot go back behind midfield and defenders cannot go up past midfield. Maximum 3 fistpasses before kicking. No open handpass. Time to be given to independent timekeeper.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2011, 03:46:08 PM
Forwards cannot go back behind midfield and defenders cannot go up past midfield. Maximum 3 fistpasses before kicking. No open handpass. Time to be given to independent timekeeper.
Sure why not make them play go games !!
Dublin to play league games in Parnell and championship games up to the Leinster Final at a venue other than Croke Park.
Time keeping to independent.
All Provincial losers to have a minimum 2 week break.
Square ball rule to be abolished.
Patrons allowed one free clip at an RTE analyst/commentator of their choice...
Quote from: rrhf on September 19, 2011, 03:14:43 PM
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Why play a different length of time at club and county level ie 70 min V 60 min. Is there any other sport in the world that does this. Perhaps Kerry mentally switched off because they felt the game was over.
Ehhhh ? ;D ;D ??? ::)
Obviously none of them played Inter County before
The single biggest issue which has cropped up a lot this year for me is the cynical foul. A sin bin would sort that shit out sharpish!!!
1) Mark for kick outs.
2) Scrap square ball.
3) Sin bin
4) Retrospective bans for players feigning injury.
5) Clock counting down as in ladies football.
6) Experiment of 2 points for scores outside 45 yards.
Need 2 referees.
Get rid of fisted points from hands.
Frees inside the 50 yard line must be from the ground.
Clock stopped every time ball goes out of play.
1 - Mark from goal kicks beyond the 45
2 - Independent time keeping
3 - Get rid of square ball
4 - Deliberately taking players down going through on goal outside the large square is a red card offence
5 - Teach the refs what a shoulder is!!!
6 - Bring back the sin-bin
7 - 2 points for shots in play outside the 45
8 - Any players who win frees by grabbing a defenders arm and falling down should get a 2 match ban retrospectively.
9 - All bans are for a number of matches and not a period of time
10 - Any players who dive get banned for 4 games.
Quote from: screenexile on September 19, 2011, 10:25:45 PM
The single biggest issue which has cropped up a lot this year for me is the cynical foul. A sin bin would sort that shit out sharpish!!!
We've had cynical fouls in the game since 2002 and we had a sin-bin in practice but your Ulster colleagues campaigned to get rid of it!
Leave the rules alone.
Change the referees.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
Need 2 referees.
Get rid of fisted points from hands. -why?
Frees inside the 50 yard line must be from the ground. -why?
Clock stopped every time ball goes out of play.
Video ref will sort a lot of the reffing mistakes out - I think that refs would appreciate the help they would get from the use of a replay.
Square ball rule should be got rid of.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 20, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
Need 2 referees.
Get rid of fisted points from hands. -why?
Frees inside the 50 yard line must be from the ground. -why?
Clock stopped every time ball goes out of play.
Hard enough to get one referee for most games.
"Fisted" points are nearly all throws e.g Donaghy's last Sunday. So no harm to ban the skill less nonsense.
Frees from hand should be taken from where the foul occurred i.e apply the rule that is there.
Video refs are all fine and well in big high profile games but what about the U14 Div 4 League game on a wet Tuesday evening?
Agree with getting rid of square ball rule.
Otherwise implement the rules that are there and tell Joe McQuillan that a man lying down kicking the ball is NOT touching it with his hand.
Also tell refs that it's ok to give the small counties frees against the big counties.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 20, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
Need 2 referees.
Get rid of fisted points from hands. -why?
Frees inside the 50 yard line must be from the ground. -why?
Clock stopped every time ball goes out of play.
It's an ugly way to score, and as someone pointed out most of the time it's not actually fisted.
Frees from hands never taken from appropriate place. It also makes our game too much like Aussie rules. Plus, frees from the ground are a dying art. Sheehan's frees on Sunday were superb. We need more like him.
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
Rugby bans the forward pass, I say the GAA should ban everything except the forward pass - no back or sideways passing or posession goes to the opposition.
Good crack in a training game anyway. Might make Jim McGuinness think again.
1) Independent time keeping
2) Get rid of square ball
3) Lat man professional fouls or any deliberate foul on man through on goal should be a red, not a yellow
4)- Sin Bin those who commit cynical fouls out the field
5) Yappers and those who get in players faces when frees are to be hit should be sin binned i.e. Kieran Donaghy & the face pushing incident. He, and other players, are constantly pushing and shoving players or holding onto the ball when a free has been given against them yet it is the team who have won the free who is usually penalised as they either try and get the ball back or move the man out of their face yet referees subsequently throw the ball in which is actually rewarding the offender
6) All bans are for a number of matches and not a period of time
7) End selective retrospective video analysis, too inconsistent
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2011, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 20, 2011, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 20, 2011, 12:33:18 AM
Need 2 referees.
Get rid of fisted points from hands. -why?
Frees inside the 50 yard line must be from the ground. -why?
Clock stopped every time ball goes out of play.
It's an ugly way to score, and as someone pointed out most of the time it's not actually fisted.
Frees from hands never taken from appropriate place. It also makes our game too much like Aussie rules. Plus, frees from the ground are a dying art. Sheehan's frees on Sunday were superb. We need more like him.
Any ugly way to score?? ???
Its a skill in itself and allows the player to fet a score from close range on the run alot of the time
I agree its great to see a player striking the ball from the ground, but if a player can do that from the hand, then whats wrong with that, the rest of the game is played with the ball in hand.
I would get rid of the square ball rule, and have a real look at getting the tackle properly defined.
They would also need to macke it clear what level of physical contact is acceptable and try and get some consitancey in referees implimenting that.
Alot of refs now seem to take the handy option of blowing nearly all shoulder charges, whether legal or not.
most of the rest of the rules are fine, if they where implimented properly
The advantage rule should only apply in the forward position (past midfield) and if no advantage after, say 5 seconds, pull it back and a free to be given from where the foul occurred.
Too many times a player is given advantage and looses the ball
Rule 1) no rule changes
Rule 2) see rule 1.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
The advantage rule should only apply in the forward position (past midfield) and if no advantage after, say 5 seconds, pulled back and a free given from where the foul occurred.
Too many times a player is given advantage and looses the ball
Good point. Was a few obvious cases at the weekend where advantage was given yet the man lost the ball 2 seconds later as a result of the earlier illegal tackle.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
The advantage rule should only apply in the forward position (past midfield) and if no advantage after, say 5 seconds, pull it back and a free to be given from where the foul occurred.
Too many times a player is given advantage and looses the ball
There is no advantage rule in Gaelic Games, all frees should be blown and awarded as per the rules. Some refs may play advantage but that's a different argument. There should be an advantage rule as in rugby or soccer where the player fouled can choose whether to stop/give let play break down and take the free or play on. Ref could allow 4/6 steps before blowing.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 21, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
The advantage rule should only apply in the forward position (past midfield) and if no advantage after, say 5 seconds, pull it back and a free to be given from where the foul occurred.
Too many times a player is given advantage and looses the ball
There is no advantage rule in Gaelic Games, all frees should be blown and awarded as per the rules. Some refs may play advantage but that's a different argument. There should be an advantage rule as in rugby or soccer where the player fouled can choose whether to stop/give let play break down and take the free or play on. Ref could allow 4/6 steps before blowing.
Play/watch a lot of games this year ::)
Advantage rule is in lad, where have you been? When the referee raises his hand he's letting advantage go. As for the 4/6 steps, you are allowed 4 already (shakes head)
I thought the rule was in that the refereee could play advantage as in let the play continue instead of blowing a free if it was advantageous to the attacking team (many refs used to do this anyway so it was only formalising practice).
This is very different from the advantage rule as we know it from other sports, whereby if no advantage accrues after a certain period the initial free can then be awarded. I'm guessing this is what apples is referring to, and the 4/6 steps is the period he is suggesting the referee allows play to continue before deciding whether an advantage has been gained.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
lol...drop kicks are like russian roulette. I've seen some howlers over the years.
Most intercounty footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass accurately, nevermind drop kick it accurately.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/duffy-rules-out-major-changes-2882477.html
Won't be too many changes it seems
QuoteThe committee, which features Kilkenny hurling manager Brian Cody
wtf?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2011, 08:06:58 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 21, 2011, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2011, 04:07:47 PM
The advantage rule should only apply in the forward position (past midfield) and if no advantage after, say 5 seconds, pull it back and a free to be given from where the foul occurred.
Too many times a player is given advantage and looses the ball
There is no advantage rule in Gaelic Games, all frees should be blown and awarded as per the rules. Some refs may play advantage but that's a different argument. There should be an advantage rule as in rugby or soccer where the player fouled can choose whether to stop/give let play break down and take the free or play on. Ref could allow 4/6 steps before blowing.
Play/watch a lot of games this year ::)
Advantage rule is in lad, where have you been? When the referee raises his hand he's letting advantage go. As for the 4/6 steps, you are allowed 4 already (shakes head)
Can you give me the rule reference from the official guide?
Quote from: haranguerer on September 22, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
I thought the rule was in that the refereee could play advantage as in let the play continue instead of blowing a free if it was advantageous to the attacking team (many refs used to do this anyway so it was only formalising practice).
This is very different from the advantage rule as we know it from other sports, whereby if no advantage accrues after a certain period the initial free can then be awarded. I'm guessing this is what apples is referring to, and the 4/6 steps is the period he is suggesting the referee allows play to continue before deciding whether an advantage has been gained.
Exactly
I'm a ref!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2011, 12:28:48 PM
I'm a ref!!
So give me the Rule Reference for Playing Advantage.
Do you really want to keep digging on this? The Official Guide is available for download from GAA.ie.
Quote from: Applesisapples on September 22, 2011, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2011, 12:28:48 PM
I'm a ref!!
So give me the Rule Reference for Playing Advantage.
4.36 When a team commits a technical foul, the
referee may allow the play to continue if
he considers it to be the advantage of the
opposing team. He shall signal that advantage
is being played by raising an extended arm
upright. Once he allows play to continue, he
may not subsequently award a free for that
foul. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary
action.
5.35 When a team commits an aggressive foul,
the referee may allow play to continue if he
considers it to be to the advantage of the
offended team. He shall signal that advantage
is being played by raising an extended arm
upright. Once he allows play to continue, he
may not subsequently award a free for that
foul. He shall apply the relevant penalty.
In future look up the effin Treoir yourself before coming on here spoutin out o ya ! :P
Quote from: Hardy on September 22, 2011, 12:54:58 PM
Do you really want to keep digging on this? The Official Guide is available for download from GAA.ie.
Fair enough I stand corrected.
Quote from: sheamy on September 22, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
lol...drop kicks are like russian roulette. I've seen some howlers over the years.
Most intercounty footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass accurately, nevermind drop kick it accurately.
Christ - it seems if I want everyone to get it, I have to come up with a way of making it even clearer when I'm being sarcastic. Now theres a challenge...
Quote from: sheamy on September 22, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
lol...drop kicks are like russian roulette. I've seen some howlers over the years.
Most intercounty footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass accurately, nevermind drop kick it accurately.
Aye, but they were the business when playing against a stiff breeze. I used to play football with a fella who had a kicking routine I haven't seen anyone else use (and with good reason). With both hands on the ball he used to throw the ball towards his kicking leg as it swung forward as hard as he could. His theory was that it was nearly impossible to block. Unfortunately for us it was impossible to second guess its direction.
I think we need to regulate hand passing, like with the bounce to the solo there is less skill in the hand pass compared to the kick pass. I'd go as far as proposing (like the solo run) that every hand pass must be followed by a kick pass. Square ball rule needs to be modified too.
Regarding the rules, it's really annoying (and I was guilty in the past) that people don't really know the rules that well, the worst are the daft supporters who shout from the stand/fence and haven't a baldy
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Regarding the rules, it's really annoying (and I was guilty in the past) that people don't really know the rules that well, the worst are the daft supporters who shout from the stand/fence and haven't a baldy
I agree ,I too need to brush up on the rule book maybe some easier ones (square ball time keeping etc) can be looked at. Football referees are under big pressure ,Can you imagine if one of the Kerry and Dublin players has swung a fist a connected with (accidentally) with poor Joe on Sunday what would have happened.
The game would have ended in a draw :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Regarding the rules, it's really annoying (and I was guilty in the past) that people don't really know the rules that well, the worst are the daft supporters who shout from the stand/fence and haven't a baldy
For "daft" supporters that DO know the rules it's a bit frustrating when the all-Ireland final referee thinks that a defender touching a ball inside the wee square is a an offence that should result in a 13m line free!!!!! The fact that it was not touched at all I can forgive him as that is just a natural human error, but not knowing what sanction to award once he had decided the offence happened is horrendous.
We had likewise instance with Mr Collins in the Connacht Final .
Ros had the ball but he stopped play as a man was down injured just shortly after the start of the 2nd half.
He restarted play with a throw in which Mayo won and went up field to score a point.
The rule had changed April 2010 to give a free from which you can't score to the team that had possession when the Ref stops play.
Now whatever about difficulty in implementing the rules or about interpretations .. surely the bloody ref should at least know the rules.
Especially the so called elite inter County ones and the top man getting the AI Final.
I see Mick Curley is in a paper today saying McQuillan did well on Sunday.
Quote from: haranguerer on September 22, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: sheamy on September 22, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
lol...drop kicks are like russian roulette. I've seen some howlers over the years.
Most intercounty footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass accurately, nevermind drop kick it accurately.
Christ - it seems if I want everyone to get it, I have to come up with a way of making it even clearer when I'm being sarcastic. Now theres a challenge...
Kinda off the point here, but I think Gregory McCartan used to abide by that rule....that man thoroughly enjoyed a good drop kick!
Rules committee want red card for racial and sectarian abuse offenders
Efforts to make on-field sectarian or racist remarks a red-card offence are back on the GAA's agenda. The Association's standing rules committee will propose that such remarks be governed in the playing rules or Part Two of the Official Guide.
As it stands, sectarian or racist remarks are primarily dealt with under the rule governing 'discrediting the Association' and can carry a two-month suspension. The new black card will also deal with aggressive remarks made to an opponent from January 1 onwards.
But the standing rules committee – containing such figures as Kilkenny hurling manager Brian Cody and Gaelic Players Association chairman Donal Og Cusack – is to put forward a motion to punish such offences by red card.
Sarsfields, the club of Wexford dual player Lee Chin, who has suffered racist abuse in the past, were disappointed when a similar motion was ruled out of order at Congress in March.
The Football Review Committee proposals were treated separately by Congress but the standing rules committee have the facility to propose playing rule changes every year as they see fit and this is one of three they hope will make the agenda next March.
The rules committee is also proposing to make any deliberate interference with a face-guard a red- card offence. Currently it only merits a yellow. They have also sought to outlaw what has become known as the 'Anthony Nash free'.
The Cork hurling goalkeeper mastered the art of lifting the ball from a 20-metre free with such height and trajectory that connection was not being made until he was almost at the 13-metre line.
With his ability to generate such ferocious power, it was considered dangerous to have defending players at such proximity.
Nash scored goals from 20-metre frees in both the drawn and replayed All-Ireland finals but under the proposed rule change, free-takers will have to ensure that the strike of a ball after the lift takes place at least 20 metres from defending players.
Quote from: orangeman on November 19, 2013, 09:31:46 AM
...but under the proposed rule change, free-takers will have to ensure that the strike of a ball after the lift takes place at least 20 metres from defending players.
I think that sounds fair enough. it is a 20m free so that is where the ball should start from when re-entering play. On the other hand if lads stood 13m from the ball and were allowed to charge the second the ball is touched by the free-taker (i.e. the lift) then they would be on top of him before he got a decent strike in.
Which option would the hurlers on here prefer?
For the hurling one they should simply state that the ball can't be struck any further in from where the free has been given. Most hurlers will naturally move the ball forward as part of their lift and strike motion, so they'll have to move the ball back similar to the way a footballer taking a free off his hands moves back.
Quote from: Bearly on loose on September 23, 2011, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 22, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: sheamy on September 22, 2011, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 20, 2011, 05:14:54 PM
Every second kick should have to be a drop kick. Drop kicks are a dying art. Back when football was class in the 70's they were all at it, surely it would improve the game immeasurably.
lol...drop kicks are like russian roulette. I've seen some howlers over the years.
Most intercounty footballers can't kick a 30 yard pass accurately, nevermind drop kick it accurately.
Christ - it seems if I want everyone to get it, I have to come up with a way of making it even clearer when I'm being sarcastic. Now theres a challenge...
Kinda off the point here, but I think Gregory McCartan used to abide by that rule....that man thoroughly enjoyed a good drop kick!
Shorty Treanor as well.