The jungle drums are beating that Thomas Davis have called an EGM for next week to discuss their precarious financial position. I understand that fees have not been passed on to the DCB and they are struggling very hard to cover the legal bills from the foolhardy trip to the High Court of a few years ago.
Anyone heard anything? Is folding actually on the EGM slate?
A question of reaping what they sow or were they shafted centrally over the Tallaght stadium issue?
I'm not going to make any comment on it but expect a piece in the Indo tomorrow on the issue.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/top-dublin-club-in-financial-peril-2544477.html
Am I correct in saying that all present members are joinly liable for the debts of the club.
Perhaps some of the top table have personal guarantees in place which could spell disaster for them. Hopefully a sensible solution is worked out - esp seeing LOI clubs fold, unfold, and then fold again without any (as far as I am aware) losses for individuals above what they put in.
Hope they can "restructure" that debt to use a common phrase these days. Fond memories of Davis's as I played my first ever game for them many moons ago
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 17, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Am I correct in saying that all present members are joinly liable for the debts of the club.
No. In the same way all members don't get a cut if the club turns a profit. I forget the exact legal term, but ordinary members are not liable for the club debts.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 17, 2011, 09:17:38 AM
Perhaps some of the top table have personal guarantees in place which could spell disaster for them. Hopefully a sensible solution is worked out - esp seeing LOI clubs fold, unfold, and then fold again without any (as far as I am aware) losses for individuals above what they put in.
I think this is where it could get messy. Individuals put up a bond when TD took legal action, including a priest. That bill (last I heard) was not paid and people are personally liable for that bill.
I have no idea how the rest of the debt is structured. It could be secured against land or individuals assets.
Heffo, can you confirm or deny that over €500,000 of the €2m debt is owed to the Council in legal fees?
Odd that there was no mention of that in the article if true
Quote from: dublinfella on February 17, 2011, 11:51:31 AM
Heffo, can you confirm or deny that over €500,000 of the €2m debt is owed to the Council in legal fees?
Odd that there was no mention of that in the article if true
There are three creditors owed approx 500k from the legal action - the council is one of these.
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 11:53:08 AM
There are three creditors owed approx 500k from the legal action - the council is one of these.
So the Council, the Department and the FAI?
In other words, the former are the two organisations you really need on your side now....
The case ended over three years ago. Why was the bill not settled? Were there not debentures put up by individuals around the club?
Quote from: dublinfella on February 17, 2011, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 11:53:08 AM
There are three creditors owed approx 500k from the legal action - the council is one of these.
So the Council, the Department and the FAI?
In other words, the former are the two organisations you really need on your side now....
The case ended over three years ago. Why was the bill not settled? Were there not debentures put up by individuals around the club?
I'm conscious that this is an emotive & controversial issue so I'm only going to post whats a matter of public record.
The three creditors are the council, their own legal team and Shamrock Rovers/FAI (however the mechanics of their legal bill works out)
As regards guarantors, I'm sure you're just as informed as I am on that issue and I'm not going to post on it.
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
As regards guarantors, I'm sure you're just as informed as I am on that issue and I'm not going to post on it.
I'm actually not informed on this one.
At the time I recall a half dozen or so individuals signed bonds to cover legal costs in case of a loss. To date this bill has not been settled, and anecdotally I hear you told the council to take a running jump when they pursued the money.
So what happens now? If the individuals are liable, TD owe 1.5m, not 2m. If TD are liable, then the bonds were not entered in good faith which is a legal landmine.
Were you shafted by someone or did TD never have any intention of honouring this bill?
For the record, I of course, hope you sort all this out. Would be an awful shame for a club to fold because of the folly of a couple of individuals pursuing a ridicilious court case.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 17, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
As regards guarantors, I'm sure you're just as informed as I am on that issue and I'm not going to post on it.
I'm actually not informed on this one.
At the time I recall a half dozen or so individuals signed bonds to cover legal costs in case of a loss. To date this bill has not been settled, and anecdotally I hear you told the council to take a running jump when they pursued the money.
So what happens now? If the individuals are liable, TD owe 1.5m, not 2m. If TD are liable, then the bonds were not entered in good faith which is a legal landmine.
Were you shafted by someone or did TD never have any intention of honouring this bill?
For the record, I of course, hope you sort all this out. Would be an awful shame for a club to fold because of the folly of a couple of individuals pursuing a ridicilious court case.
I'm not a member of Thomas Davis, but I do have plenty of friends in the club and I feel sorry that the ordinary member is now going to suffer because a few individuals with deep pockets at the time and influential voices have put them in this situation.
I believe that a number of individuals gave assurances under which I'm told there is a grey area and the personal/financial circumstances of those people has changed since the agreement.
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on February 17, 2011, 12:23:49 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:06:27 PM
As regards guarantors, I'm sure you're just as informed as I am on that issue and I'm not going to post on it.
I'm actually not informed on this one.
At the time I recall a half dozen or so individuals signed bonds to cover legal costs in case of a loss. To date this bill has not been settled, and anecdotally I hear you told the council to take a running jump when they pursued the money.
So what happens now? If the individuals are liable, TD owe 1.5m, not 2m. If TD are liable, then the bonds were not entered in good faith which is a legal landmine.
Were you shafted by someone or did TD never have any intention of honouring this bill?
For the record, I of course, hope you sort all this out. Would be an awful shame for a club to fold because of the folly of a couple of individuals pursuing a ridicilious court case.
I'm not a member of Thomas Davis, but I do have plenty of friends in the club and I feel sorry that the ordinary member is now going to suffer because a few individuals with deep pockets at the time and influential voices have put them in this situation.
I believe that a number of individuals gave assurances under which I'm told there is a grey area and the personal/financial circumstances of those people has changed since the agreement.
Irish society will be hearing about this sort of thing for years yet. This is where the collapse of the National Finance starts getting down to grass roots.
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
I believe that a number of individuals gave assurances under which I'm told there is a grey area and the personal/financial circumstances of those people has changed since the agreement.
I'm still not sure how this is CLG TD's problem....
Quote from: dublinfella on February 17, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 12:40:09 PM
I believe that a number of individuals gave assurances under which I'm told there is a grey area and the personal/financial circumstances of those people has changed since the agreement.
I'm still not sure how this is CLG TD's problem....
Re-read the part about the grey area, bond & guarantee.
Quote from: heffo on February 17, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Re-read the part about the grey area, bond & guarantee.
these individuals have either placed a bond or they haven't
something is up here...
I imagine Croke Park will guarantee the repayments and this will be acceptable to Creditors as they know they will get their money.
As for legal fees ...sure everyone knows they are a work of fiction at the best of times.
Is there an issue with Lotto money here? What money was raised from membership to fund the all weather pitch and was there not matching lotto funding given at the same time for the same project? I am merely asking the question.
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I imagine Croke Park will guarantee the repayments and this will be acceptable to Creditors as they know they will get their money.
Fair comment but when the old dear that was treasurer in a club in Waterford was put out on the street and had to sell her tigin the boys in Croker didn't even offer her a bowl of soup in the hostel in Bow Lane, much less the creditors.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 16, 2011, 11:10:42 AM
The jungle drums are beating that Thomas Davis have called an EGM for next week to discuss their precarious financial position. I understand that fees have not been passed on to the DCB and they are struggling very hard to cover the legal bills from the foolhardy trip to the High Court of a few years ago.
Anyone heard anything? Is folding actually on the EGM slate?
A question of reaping what they sow or were they shafted centrally over the Tallaght stadium issue?
The decision of the council to build a stadium that could not host the needs of main local sporting clubs was unjust and a waste of valuable resources. This isn't a gaa v foreign sports issue, it's one of waste and needless duplication of resources.
The same applies to the Aviva, it should have been able to cater for gaa and the gaa should give up croker when prospective attendances require it.
Fingal county council thinking they are the Glaziers, this stadium built for a "professional" soccor outfit. Whatever about bondholders, the roles of Dublin County council in this is a strage one alright. I wonder how much money was actually "burned" promoting sporting Fingal. Thats even before you talk about the AVIVA.
Quote from: rrhf on February 18, 2011, 08:58:26 AM
Fingal county council thinking they are the Glaziers, this stadium built for a "professional" soccor outfit. Whatever about bondholders, the roles of Dublin County council in this is a strage one alright. I wonder how much money was actually "burned" promoting sporting Fingal. Thats even before you talk about the AVIVA.
Fingal? Dublin County Council? What are you talking about?
Thomas Davis have been in Tallaght well over 100 years (or thereabouts) so they are going nowhere despite the wishful thinking of some of the "beautifulgamers". Have heard that it is the allweather pitch that has them in trouble mainly and not the Court case.
TD and SDCC have a frosty relationship and if memory serves me right they were in Court some years ago over a pitch near the Garda Station in the village. TD lost.
Was an EGM held in the first place to pursue a court case? (obviously a different kettle of fish from defending one) If so, hard to see any one individual being liable if the decision was taken by the membership. If a few sharp talking committee members brought the case without an EGM they should be held accountable for such folly - although I'm sure County Boards and the Leinster council would(should) have been kept well appraised of the situation.
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on February 18, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
I stand to be corrected here, but my understanding is that the Treasurer is personally liable for the debts of the club
Consider yourself corrected!
Quote from: heffo on February 18, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
Quote from: Mac Eoghain on February 18, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
I stand to be corrected here, but my understanding is that the Treasurer is personally liable for the debts of the club
Consider yourself corrected!
Trustees?
Edit: and anyone who may have signed themselves into that situation?
Anything of such magnitude or were there are considerable risks to the financial well-being of the club surely have by passed at an EGM? Trustees perform no role in most clubs - although they can be committee members, they are there so the club wont be sold from under you by a few sharp talking Committee members ( :o), I know our club has recently taken on 1 or 2 members of the Co board as trustees and i think this is to become common practice.
I'm pretty sure all assets of every club are ultimately owned (it's in the constitution anyway) by the GAA, going by that the GAA will ultimately be liable. If proper procedure hasn't been followed by TD, they probably negate that clause of the GAA constitution, but I really find it hard to believe that they've done this independently of Co Board/Leinster Council.
Depends what side of the equation you mean Benny.
The DCB fully supported TD in the court case, so they can't realistically turn around and claim they didn't understand that losing would cost money, in this €500,000. Hence a group of people put down individual surities to ensure that the clubs assets were not at risk. Still have not had any indication as to why those bonds are not being drawn down by the High Court.
As for the other €1.5m, who knows what the situation with the borrowing. All will become clearer on Monday I suppose.
But in general, what happens if a club goes pop in a cloud of debt? Are the County Board or Croke Park left liable? Can the assets (land in this case) be siezed?
Quote from: Canalman on February 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
Thomas Davis have been in Tallaght well over 100 years (or thereabouts) so they are going nowhere despite the wishful thinking of some of the "beautifulgamers". Have heard that it is the allweather pitch that has them in trouble mainly and not the Court case.
TD and SDCC have a frosty relationship and if memory serves me right they were in Court some years ago over a pitch near the Garda Station in the village. TD lost.
So where is this €2m+ going to come from?
Quote from: dublinfella on February 18, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
Quote from: Canalman on February 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
Thomas Davis have been in Tallaght well over 100 years (or thereabouts) so they are going nowhere despite the wishful thinking of some of the "beautifulgamers". Have heard that it is the allweather pitch that has them in trouble mainly and not the Court case.
TD and SDCC have a frosty relationship and if memory serves me right they were in Court some years ago over a pitch near the Garda Station in the village. TD lost.
So where is this €2m+ going to come from?
Presume they will engage with their creditors, consult with their members, take advices and do their best in the circumstances. Don't worry Dublinfella , TD won't be going away in a hurry. They are a tough breed of people down that neck of the way.
A bit of a way to go before you can go gravedancing.
Yeah, they're not going to "Fcuk off and die" just yet.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 18, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
Depends what side of the equation you mean Benny.
The DCB fully supported TD in the court case, so they can't realistically turn around and claim they didn't understand that losing would cost money, in this €500,000. Hence a group of people put down individual surities to ensure that the clubs assets were not at risk. Still have not had any indication as to why those bonds are not being drawn down by the High Court.
As for the other €1.5m, who knows what the situation with the borrowing. All will become clearer on Monday I suppose.
But in general, what happens if a club goes pop in a cloud of debt? Are the County Board or Croke Park left liable? Can the assets (land in this case) be siezed?
At the risk of appearing trite, you're the League of Ireland fan, you tell us.
The role of trustees is a strange one in the GAA. At times it appears frustrating that a small number of individuals with no mandate within the club can block decisions of the committee but I can see the argument for trustworthy individuals providing a level of consistency of approach.
I am a trustee of my club along with three others . My role is quite clear. In the event of the club winding up and in debt we have the right to sell of assets to settle any debt . We ourselves our not liable for any debt. We oversee the sale and if we are affiliated to the Gaa the county board wil hold onto the premises until such times as the team may wish to reform again. It is in effect owned by the GAA but they will not sell it unless pursued by creditors.
i have every sympathy for the Tomas davis club and hope that they come to some financial arrangement to ensure their future.
I am not fully informed of their problem but from what I have read here the trustees are responsible for the overseeing of theclub should it discontinue but they are not liable for the debt. As someone earlier pointed out if they were reponsible for the debt who in their right minds would be a trustee.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 18, 2011, 03:53:42 PM
Depends what side of the equation you mean Benny.
The DCB fully supported TD in the court case, so they can't realistically turn around and claim they didn't understand that losing would cost money, in this €500,000. Hence a group of people put down individual surities to ensure that the clubs assets were not at risk. Still have not had any indication as to why those bonds are not being drawn down by the High Court.
As for the other €1.5m, who knows what the situation with the borrowing. All will become clearer on Monday I suppose.
But in general, what happens if a club goes pop in a cloud of debt? Are the County Board or Croke Park left liable? Can the assets (land in this case) be siezed?
TD aren't going anywhere with the level of financial expertise they can call upon. They will restructure their debt with the banks like many organisations are. Its very simple if you're a bank manager. You're not going to pull the nuclear option because you will simply end up writing off the debt and it wont make you look very good at your job . TD Assets cant pay off that level of debt so no bank manager is going to be stupid enough to call it in. They will work with TD on a suitable repayment structure until TD's revenue streams improve. That way the Bank still has a chance of getting its money back. Could you imagine the bad publicity a financial institution would get from pulling the chain on a GAA club? No bank is going to be stupid enough to do it.
They were just unfortunate. The value of the land they secured the all-weather pitch on obviously went tits up and saddled them with a huge debt. But the level of bullshit being paraded on a messag-eboards and the papers in relation to this case is crazy.
GAA clubs don't fold due to financial pressure.
This isn't the league of Ireland.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 19, 2011, 04:28:51 PM
GAA clubs don't fold due to financial pressure.
This isn't the league of Ireland.
neither do LOI clubs, they just reinvent themselves.
Waste of a stadium, Thomas Davis would have had far more there than Shams, i know this for a fact. Thomas Davis are not Shamrock Rovers they are a proper club.
TD would average more than 4,000 punters every second week for about 30 games? Will you rev up. The dublin hurlers can't get close to those numbers
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 18, 2011, 09:44:06 PM
At the risk of appearing trite, you're the League of Ireland fan, you tell us.
I have no idea, but in soccer the clubs aren't vested into the FAI in the same way GAA clubs are, so its a moot point and ultimately irrelevant
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 18, 2011, 09:44:06 PM
The role of trustees is a strange one in the GAA. At times it appears frustrating that a small number of individuals with no mandate within the club can block decisions of the committee but I can see the argument for trustworthy individuals providing a level of consistency of approach.
If I am reading the story correctly, and I haven't been wrong in any of this yet, its the trustees who have backed out of paying the legal fees leaving the club liable
Quote from: dublinfella on February 20, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
TD would average more than 4,000 punters every second week for about 30 games? Will you rev up. The dublin hurlers can't get close to those numbers
Of course they don't but neither do Shamrock Rovers you go on about crowd figures on a different site yet you quote more than the figure they give? Trying to big up yourself. Get real you are a small club.
My wife's brother is heading to the meeting. I told him to sign nawtin at the door.
I'll let ye know the outcome of the meeting and where the liabilities may lie. I may draft him a list of questions to ask.
Quote from: INDIANA on February 21, 2011, 12:53:43 AM
The latter is rubbish for the earlier reasons I outlined. No bank is pull the nuclear option because getting some back is better then getting none at all. No bank is going to write off a 2m debt. As for the publicity thats would go with that- not worth it for any bank. 2m is mickey mouse for Irish banks. They are so much in the hoc- 2m is the equivalent of losing 10 cents out of a grand. The debt will simply be restructured or a number of individuals I suspect will get together to put cash on the balance sheet for a time period.
I agree that the bank won't write it off, but you are on cloud cuckoo land if any Irish bank will walk away from 2m at the moment.... Get your head around the fact there is a significant chance the land TD play on will be in NAMA hands by the end of the year.
As for the individuals stepping in. Presumably you mean the same individuals who stepped in to cover the legal costs and stepped straight back out again when they actually had to put their money where their mouths were?
Dublinfella, as far as I am told it is the allweather pitch costs which are the main problems in TD. To keep harping on about "legal costs" all the time is just agenda driven.
Btw, where did you get NAMA nonsense from? Not applicable.
I know you are just itching to use the "k" word.
Don't fret , Thomas Davis have survived the 1920s, 1950s, 1980s and indeed all "recent" social upheavels that have hit Dublin and no doubt will survive this one also.
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Quote from: Canalman on February 21, 2011, 11:05:44 AM
Dublinfella, as far as I am told it is the allweather pitch costs which are the main problems in TD. To keep harping on about "legal costs" all the time is just agenda driven.
Btw, where did you get NAMA nonsense from? Not applicable.
About 1/4 is legal fees, and we know about them. I agree the majority of the debts are plain bad planning
Quote from: Canalman on February 21, 2011, 11:05:44 AM
I know you are just itching to use the "k" word.
Not really. But Its fair to ask questions of any club that allows a non officer or trustee have that much power.
Quote from: Canalman on February 21, 2011, 11:05:44 AM
Don't fret , Thomas Davis have survived the 1920s, 1950s, 1980s and indeed all "recent" social upheavels that have hit Dublin and no doubt will survive this one also.
Hopefully. But this has nothing to do with social upheaval. Stop blaming outside factors. Its a 100% self inflicted problem.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Such as?
Like it or not I have called everything in relation to the trials and tribulations of TD 100% correct since day one.
I beat the papers by a few days on this one.
But you carry on sticking your head in the sand. They are broke, they have no ability to generate the revenues required, the begging bowl is out at a time when no-one has the money and the banks are desperate to claw back anything they can and the GAA don't have the resources to bail them out.
"But sure it will be grand...."
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Such as?
Like it or not I have called everything in relation to the trials and tribulations of TD 100% correct since day one.
I beat the papers by a few days on this one.
But you carry on sticking your head in the sand. They are broke, they have no ability to generate the revenues required, the begging bowl is out at a time when no-one has the money and the banks are desperate to claw back anything they can and the GAA don't have the resources to bail them out.
"But sure it will be grand...."
You're a SHAMrock Rovers fan aren't you? The irony!
TD and the GAA have been around for generations and will be around for generations. When you don't have to pay players who can't make it elsewhere it makes it easier to tackle debt though thats probably hard for you to understand. The LOI way is to fold and re-emerge and pretend nothing happened.
You're getting carried away with your spiteful wishful thinking and frankly I think you should take it elsewhere. You've been a proven liar on many occasions on this board and have zero credibility. Do one.
I'm sure Thomas Davis are not the only club in the country who have incurred debt to build facilities, and who are in trouble financially now.
I wonder will this bring up the issue of allowing GAA clubs to rent out their facilities to other sports, in order to derive an income stream? Allow the clubs themselves decide whether the benefits outweigh the disadvantages?
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
You're a SHAMrock Rovers fan aren't you? The irony!
Not really, no. Keep an eye out for their results as they are my local team.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
TD and the GAA have been around for generations and will be around for generations. When you don't have to pay players who can't make it elsewhere it makes it easier to tackle debt though thats probably hard for you to understand. The LOI way is to fold and re-emerge and pretend nothing happened.
Actually its entirely the opposite. If you are in debt as a result of wages, you release the players and stop paying them. Where will TD find fat to trim?
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
You're getting carried away with your spiteful wishful thinking and frankly I think you should take it elsewhere. You've been a proven liar on many occasions on this board and have zero credibility. Do one.
Nothing wishful or spiteful at all. You are the one getting all arsey, not me.
If I in fact have zero credibility it is because I say things the herd don't want to hear. I have been 100% right in everything I have said on this matter to date.
Maybe its you with the wishful thinking that I am suddenly wrong on this?
Quote from: Hound on February 21, 2011, 11:56:40 AM
I'm sure Thomas Davis are not the only club in the country who have incurred debt to build facilities, and who are in trouble financially now.
I wonder will this bring up the issue of allowing GAA clubs to rent out their facilities to other sports, in order to derive an income stream? Allow the clubs themselves decide whether the benefits outweigh the disadvantages?
I can't see any other outcome here. The other options are Croker digging all these clubs out or clubs folding.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:57:11 AMI have been 100% right in everything I have said on this matter to date.
Quite the opposite, as you know. You really are a piece of work. You start this stuff roughly once per year and each time I have to come on here and remind people that you're a proven liar. You have zero credibility here because of your repeated lies and their repeated exposure here. You seem to have some sort of obsession with made-up sums of £2 million. Do you want me to start again on your claim of a £2 million "investment" by Shamrock Rovers in the Tallaght Stadium that you made up, lied about when challenged and eventually conceded was a lie?
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:57:11 AMI have been 100% right in everything I have said on this matter to date.
Quite the opposite, as you know. You really are a piece of work. You start this stuff roughly once per year and each time I have to come on here and remind people that you're a proven liar. You have zero credibility here because of your repeated lies and their repeated exposure here. You seem to have some sort of obsession with made-up sums of £2 million. Do you want me to start again on your claim of a £2 million "investment" by Shamrock Rovers in the Tallaght Stadium that you made up, lied about when challenged and eventually conceded was a lie?
I most certainly did not concede anything of the sort. Rovers put significant amounts of money into the stadium and I was countering the crude TD line that they were getting a stadium buck shee. Whether it was 1.9m or 2.1m is entirely irrelevant to that point, and semantics is the last refuge of the wrong.
But what relevance is that to now? What in this thread is innacurate? I have stated what I know to be true, others have backed that up, and was clear on what I was speculating about.
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 20, 2011, 07:44:02 PM
Of course they don't but neither do Shamrock Rovers you go on about crowd figures on a different site yet you quote more than the figure they give? Trying to big up yourself. Get real you are a small club.
I'm not anything, but the reality is Rovers get more punters through the door than the Dublin hurlers do in the Championship. Yet you are arguing that TD would have more again? Based on what?
They admitted in court they wouldn't use the poxy place and people are still arguing that they were right to try and get themselves in there!?! Its surreal.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 01:02:39 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:57:11 AMI have been 100% right in everything I have said on this matter to date.
Quite the opposite, as you know. You really are a piece of work. You start this stuff roughly once per year and each time I have to come on here and remind people that you're a proven liar. You have zero credibility here because of your repeated lies and their repeated exposure here. You seem to have some sort of obsession with made-up sums of £2 million. Do you want me to start again on your claim of a £2 million "investment" by Shamrock Rovers in the Tallaght Stadium that you made up, lied about when challenged and eventually conceded was a lie?
I most certainly did not concede anything of the sort. Rovers put significant amounts of money into the stadium and I was countering the crude TD line that they were getting a stadium buck shee. Whether it was 1.9m or 2.1m is entirely irrelevant to that point, and semantics is the last refuge of the wrong.
Liar. You stated that Shamrock Rovers invested €2M in the stadium. That was shown to be a lie. You accepted that €100,000, was a more realistic figure (though there's no evidence they even invested that much). Now it's either €1.9M or €2.1M. You know damn well it's neither. You just make figures up. The problem with being a liar is that you have to have a good memory.
QuoteBut what relevance is that to now? What in this thread is innacurate? I have stated what I know to be true, others have backed that up, and was clear on what I was speculating about.
As you well know, the relevance to now is that the statements of a proven liar are worthless. I just wanted to make sure people here who mightn't know your form in this regard have this context in which to place your statements. I won't be engaging with you any more. You see I have no reason to believe anything you say.
I admitted no such thing.
But the point here is anyone who deviates away from the clique on here is hounded and abused.
All I did was disagree that TD were right in what they were doing and stated (correctly) that they could not win and it would cost them a fortune.
And here we are. But what is very relevent to this debate is that they have zero political clout. Whatever chance they have of council or government support went the minute they kicked a FF minister out of their clubhouse. The lunatics have been running that asylum for years and they are approaching a critical juncture in their existance.
If you prefer to call me a liar than debate that point and look at the bigger picture of clubs in trouble, good for you.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 02:18:18 PM
I admitted no such thing.
But the point here is anyone who deviates away from the clique on here is hounded and abused.
All I did was disagree that TD were right in what they were doing and stated (correctly) that they could not win and it would cost them a fortune.
And here we are. But what is very relevent to this debate is that they have zero political clout. Whatever chance they have of council or government support went the minute they kicked a FF minister out of their clubhouse. The lunatics have been running that asylum for years and they are approaching a critical juncture in their existance.
If you prefer to call me a liar than debate that point and look at the bigger picture of clubs in trouble, good for you.
See what I mean. The lies just flow out of him.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Such as?
Like it or not I have called everything in relation to the trials and tribulations of TD 100% correct since day one.
I beat the papers by a few days on this one.
But you carry on sticking your head in the sand. They are broke, they have no ability to generate the revenues required, the begging bowl is out at a time when no-one has the money and the banks are desperate to claw back anything they can and the GAA don't have the resources to bail them out.
"But sure it will be grand...."
You're a SHAMrock Rovers fan aren't you? The irony!
TD and the GAA have been around for generations and will be around for generations. When you don't have to pay players who can't make it elsewhere it makes it easier to tackle debt though thats probably hard for you to understand. The LOI way is to fold and re-emerge and pretend nothing happened.
You're getting carried away with your spiteful wishful thinking and frankly I think you should take it elsewhere. You've been a proven liar on many occasions on this board and have zero credibility. Do one.
In all fairness bit rich coming from you calling this clown spiteful. Is it possible for you to put your real name to your bigoted opinions that i read so often on here or are you brave enough to do that? You are on about debt but yet you support a British club in Soccer named Man U the most heavily indebted club in the world.
If ever there was 2 people made for each other it's you and Dublin Fella.
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 02:27:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Such as?
Like it or not I have called everything in relation to the trials and tribulations of TD 100% correct since day one.
I beat the papers by a few days on this one.
But you carry on sticking your head in the sand. They are broke, they have no ability to generate the revenues required, the begging bowl is out at a time when no-one has the money and the banks are desperate to claw back anything they can and the GAA don't have the resources to bail them out.
"But sure it will be grand...."
You're a SHAMrock Rovers fan aren't you? The irony!
TD and the GAA have been around for generations and will be around for generations. When you don't have to pay players who can't make it elsewhere it makes it easier to tackle debt though thats probably hard for you to understand. The LOI way is to fold and re-emerge and pretend nothing happened.
You're getting carried away with your spiteful wishful thinking and frankly I think you should take it elsewhere. You've been a proven liar on many occasions on this board and have zero credibility. Do one.
In all fairness bit rich coming from you calling this clown spiteful. Is it possible for you to put your real name to your bigoted opinions that i read so often on here or are you brave enough to do that? You are on about debt but yet you support a British club in Soccer named Man U the most heavily indebted club in the world.
If ever there was 2 people made for each other it's you and Dublin Fella.
You appear to be new here so you may not know how unintentionally funny your post is.
But enough about him, tell us (what)about yerself.
What do you wish to know, i used to play full forward i was not the fastest but probably the fatest, i was good at scoring enough? :)
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 02:18:18 PM
I admitted no such thing.
But the point here is anyone who deviates away from the clique on here is hounded and abused.
All I did was disagree that TD were right in what they were doing and stated (correctly) that they could not win and it would cost them a fortune.
And here we are. But what is very relevent to this debate is that they have zero political clout. Whatever chance they have of council or government support went the minute they kicked a FF minister out of their clubhouse. The lunatics have been running that asylum for years and they are approaching a critical juncture in their existance.
If you prefer to call me a liar than debate that point and look at the bigger picture of clubs in trouble, good for you.
You're a grade A fool, you spout rubbish and you were caught in a matter of posts talking through your behind about your crowd figures !!!! Shamrock probably invested sweet FA in that stadium and it should have been made daul purpose, then it would have been finished, it will ever be finished now.
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
See what I mean. The lies just flow out of him.
Rather than sit there and be an infant, FIND where you claim I said these things.
Onus of proof is on you, and at the moment you just sound like a fool.
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
You're a grade A fool, you spout rubbish and you were caught in a matter of posts talking through your behind about your crowd figures !!!! Shamrock probably invested sweet FA in that stadium and it should have been made daul purpose, then it would have been finished, it will ever be finished now.
Hold up. You claimed as a 'fact' that TD would have gotten more people through the turnstyles than Rovers. Rovers sell the place out on regular occasions and have almost 3,000 season tickets. Let us in on the 'fact' will you? How as a 'fact' would a mid size GAA club who have won very little in years and not had a county player for a long time gotten more in the gate than the Dublin hurlers? And I am the 'fool'?
It it had been made 'dual purpose' it would have held 1,500 people and never been used, at an additional cost of €15m, of which TD were willing to contribute nothing.
Its my understanding that the Square end will be completed this year, but who knows about any infrastructural work at the moment.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
See what I mean. The lies just flow out of him.
Rather than sit there and be an infant, FIND where you claim I said these things.
Onus of proof is on you, and at the moment you just sound like a fool.
Not to me and the many who have seen your repeated lies exposed here time and again.
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 04:09:04 PM
Not to me and the many who have seen your repeated lies exposed here time and again.
Grand so. I'm wrong. TD aren't having a meeting tonight. They aren't up to their oxters in debt. Their future is rosy.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 02:22:15 PM
See what I mean. The lies just flow out of him.
Rather than sit there and be an infant, FIND where you claim I said these things.
Onus of proof is on you, and at the moment you just sound like a fool.
Three or four times not enough for you? You know where the proof is. You can't have forgotten this conversation last year and the year before. You can't have forgotten claiming the investment of €2M and then conceding that €100k was more like it. You can't have forgotten claiming not to have supported the infamous banner until your post supporting it was quoted. It's a groundhog day type of thing and I'm sure you'll try it on again in a few months' time.
I've broken my own rule again in engaging with you. That's the last time. My only purpose is to inform people here of the type of character you are, so that your spoofing can be put in context.
Quote from: Hardy on February 21, 2011, 04:47:52 PM
Three or four times not enough for you? You know where the proof is. You can't have forgotten this conversation last year and the year before. You can't have forgotten claiming the investment of €2M and then conceding that €100k was more like it. You can't have forgotten claiming not to have supported the infamous banner until your post supporting it was quoted. It's a groundhog day type of thing and I'm sure you'll try it on again in a few months' time.
I've broken my own rule again in engaging with you. That's the last time. My only purpose is to inform people here of the type of character you are, so that your spoofing can be put in context.
You are right. I'm a liar, a stirrer and always wrong.
So rest easy, TD are not having a crisis meeting in relation to their finances tonight. There is no threat of foreclosure from the bank and no possibility of the club folding.
(http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg)
I know nothing of this argument other than unless TDs club members have been wiped out or abducted then folding due to finacial reasons is not possible. The true value of a club is in its members and if they are willing for the club to go on then it will. The rest is just trials and tribulations of a club that will be written in their club book in 100 years time
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 03:32:53 PM
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
You're a grade A fool, you spout rubbish and you were caught in a matter of posts talking through your behind about your crowd figures !!!! Shamrock probably invested sweet FA in that stadium and it should have been made daul purpose, then it would have been finished, it will ever be finished now.
Hold up. You claimed as a 'fact' that TD would have gotten more people through the turnstyles than Rovers. Rovers sell the place out on regular occasions and have almost 3,000 season tickets. Let us in on the 'fact' will you? How as a 'fact' would a mid size GAA club who have won very little in years and not had a county player for a long time gotten more in the gate than the Dublin hurlers? And I am the 'fool'?
It it had been made 'dual purpose' it would have held 1,500 people and never been used, at an additional cost of €15m, of which TD were willing to contribute nothing.
Its my understanding that the Square end will be completed this year, but who knows about any infrastructural work at the moment.
3,00 top speaking through your arse, do you have a link with this? There is no chancethat will be completed you fool, come out of that bubble you're in. TD would have had more with the famlies in thee area. Yes Famlies not yobs, i remember you in Santry, Tolka and the RDS avg crowd 5 to 600 max. You nearly went bust when you tried to build your own you are small time.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on February 21, 2011, 12:53:43 AM
The latter is rubbish for the earlier reasons I outlined. No bank is pull the nuclear option because getting some back is better then getting none at all. No bank is going to write off a 2m debt. As for the publicity thats would go with that- not worth it for any bank. 2m is mickey mouse for Irish banks. They are so much in the hoc- 2m is the equivalent of losing 10 cents out of a grand. The debt will simply be restructured or a number of individuals I suspect will get together to put cash on the balance sheet for a time period.
I agree that the bank won't write it off, but you are on cloud cuckoo land if any Irish bank will walk away from 2m at the moment.... Get your head around the fact there is a significant chance the land TD play on will be in NAMA hands by the end of the year.
As for the individuals stepping in. Presumably you mean the same individuals who stepped in to cover the legal costs and stepped straight back out again when they actually had to put their money where their mouths were?
The land will be nowhere near NAMA. How is that even relevent here? I'm pretty sure it doesnt even meet the current definition of what NAMA can take in as a "bad" loan as they call them.
Because the all weather pitch was secured on the value of the land beside it. When the value of that fell- the repayments became a problem for obvious reasons in the current climate.
Banks are not in the process of writing off 2m debts. They want to minimise their impairments as much as possible. But they will not be able to use TD's other assets to pay off any debt relating to the loan unless those assets were specifically secured on the loan. I've heard nothing to suggest they are secured on it.
Sticking cash on the balance sheet is an old device used by GAA clubs to keep banks at bay as a short term solution to cash flow issues. I'd be amazed if TD didn't have members willing to do it. Especially when you consider some of the individuals within the club.
Don't believe a word that Dublinfella posts on this thread.
TD like a lot of clubs are struggling financially but will hopefully pull through - I know they're going to do a life membership offer among other things.
Maybe if Thomas Davis were more cut throat in their decision making and decided not to field that pesky U12C Hurling team who don't make them a penny in return they'd be in a better situation.
Soccer clubs have the right idea alright - if a fella isn't going to 'make it' and be sold on as a commodity then he's cast away.
Quote from: heffo on February 21, 2011, 08:52:12 PM
Don't believe a word that Dublinfella posts on this thread.
TD like a lot of clubs are struggling financially but will hopefully pull through - I know they're going to do a life membership offer among other things.
Maybe if Thomas Davis were more cut throat in their decision making and decided not to field that pesky U12C Hurling team who don't make them a penny in return they'd be in a better situation.
Soccer clubs have the right idea alright - if a fella isn't going to 'make it' and be sold on as a commodity then he's cast away.
To ber fair there are loads of soccer clubs up and down the country list as many teams as they can afford even if the team has no budding Kaka's. My main objection is listening to guys like Dubblinfella waffle on about 3,000 season tickets when the kids of that community would get better use out of the stadium if it was a peoper dual purpose stadium which is was designed to be. €15 million lol, are you joking you woul not have been asked to put it in €15 euro nevemind 15 million, clown.
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
To ber fair there are loads of soccer clubs up and down the country list as many teams as they can afford even if the team has no budding Kaka's. My main objection is listening to guys like Dubblinfella waffle on about 3,000 season tickets when the kids of that community would get better use out of the stadium if it was a peoper dual purpose stadium which is was designed to be. €15 million lol, are you joking you woul not have been asked to put it in €15 euro nevemind 15 million, clown.
Designed to be? Really? Can you dig out the 'dual purpose' plans for me then please?
Quote from: heffo on February 21, 2011, 08:52:12 PM
Soccer clubs have the right idea alright - if a fella isn't going to 'make it' and be sold on as a commodity then he's cast away.
Sad thing is you probably believe that to be true.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 10:29:28 PM
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
To ber fair there are loads of soccer clubs up and down the country list as many teams as they can afford even if the team has no budding Kaka's. My main objection is listening to guys like Dubblinfella waffle on about 3,000 season tickets when the kids of that community would get better use out of the stadium if it was a peoper dual purpose stadium which is was designed to be. €15 million lol, are you joking you woul not have been asked to put it in €15 euro nevemind 15 million, clown.
Designed to be? Really? Can you dig out the 'dual purpose' plans for me then please?
The plans? Ya here is the main thing imagine a big long green thing called a field like whats in it now but extended longer you moron. That stadium will never be finihed, certainly there is no need for it to be developed for Shamrock Rovers anyway there is plenty of space for their fans and their imaginery fans :), a guy told me there was a coupld of hundred to see the trophy being paraded around the pitch. :D
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
The plans? Ya here is the main thing imagine a big long green thing called a field like whats in it now but extended longer you moron. That stadium will never be finihed, certainly there is no need for it to be developed for Shamrock Rovers anyway there is plenty of space for their fans and their imaginery fans :), a guy told me there was a coupld of hundred to see the trophy being paraded around the pitch. :D
So thats a no....
The stadium was NEVER designed to be dual use, hence the court case to get it designed.
And you are calling me a moron? :D
A club would need permission from CC before doing anything, construct/take loans etc.
Afaiu, any GAA club property is vested in a number trustees who are appointed by the Province/ CC and who swear to follow the GAA constitution. If the trustees follow the GAA procedures, they are not held financially responsible for actions taken on behalf of the club.
All that should be clear enough in the club constitution.
If a trustee gives a personal guarantee for a loan, that would be a different matter, wouldn't it?
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 21, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
The plans? Ya here is the main thing imagine a big long green thing called a field like whats in it now but extended longer you moron. That stadium will never be finihed, certainly there is no need for it to be developed for Shamrock Rovers anyway there is plenty of space for their fans and their imaginery fans :), a guy told me there was a coupld of hundred to see the trophy being paraded around the pitch. :D
So thats a no....
The stadium was NEVER designed to be dual use, hence the court case to get it designed.
And you are calling me a moron? :D
Where is the link for the 3,000 ticket sales you said you sold this year? ???
How many people were there to show the trophy around at the end of the season? I heard 200, more would turn out to welcome TD's U12C team :)
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 22, 2011, 12:28:15 PM
Where is the link for the 3,000 ticket sales you said you sold this year? ???
How many people were there to show the trophy around at the end of the season? I heard 200, more would turn out to welcome TD's U12C team :)
I have no idea what you are talking about. There was a civic reception for the team, I didn't hear of any parade. But I wouldn't have been listening.
But thats shite deflection tactics. You claimed as a FACT that TD would get more punters in than Rovers. You also claimed as a FACT that the stadium was designed to be multi sport. I presume I am wasting my time asking for any sort of backup to this nonsense?
Quote from: dublinfella on February 21, 2011, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 21, 2011, 11:08:26 AM
More lies from dublinfella - what's new?
Such as?
Like it or not I have called everything in relation to the trials and tribulations of TD 100% correct since day one.
I beat the papers by a few days on this one.
But you carry on sticking your head in the sand. They are broke, they have no ability to generate the revenues required, the begging bowl is out at a time when no-one has the money and the banks are desperate to claw back anything they can and the GAA don't have the resources to bail them out.
"But sure it will be grand...."
Any evidence to offer on this one?
Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
Any evidence to offer on this one?
From TODAY'S paper...
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/leinster-chief-warns-its-time-to-tighten-belts-2550035.html
Very clear that there will be no central bailout from that.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 22, 2011, 12:28:15 PM
Where is the link for the 3,000 ticket sales you said you sold this year? ???
How many people were there to show the trophy around at the end of the season? I heard 200, more would turn out to welcome TD's U12C team :)
I have no idea what you are talking about. There was a civic reception for the team, I didn't hear of any parade. But I wouldn't have been listening.
But thats shite deflection tactics. You claimed as a FACT that TD would get more punters in than Rovers. You also claimed as a FACT that the stadium was designed to be multi sport. I presume I am wasting my time asking for any sort of backup to this nonsense?
Who mentioned anything about a parade? ??? So you are too embarrassed to admit only 200 turned out on a Monday to see the league title come home, wow what great fans. Can you answer the question for where you got your information for over 3,000 season ticket sales? Facts here are TD's have far more members than Shamrock Rovers and would have had more use for the stadium than you're lot.
Please answer the above ^^^^^
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 22, 2011, 02:37:49 PM
Who mentioned anything about a parade? ??? So you are too embarrassed to admit only 200 turned out on a Monday to see the league title come home, wow what great fans. Can you answer the question for where you got your information for over 3,000 season ticket sales? Facts here are TD's have far more members than Shamrock Rovers and would have had more use for the stadium than you're lot.
Please answer the above ^^^^^
Rovers won the league on the last day of the season away from home. They have not had any games since then to parade the trophy. Was it a kids game or a function of some sort? I have no idea what you are talking about, and in fact I don't actually care.
A simple google search - they sold their 2010 th ticket for 2010 in January 09. Two months before the season began.
http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php/community/cpo-objectives/shamrock-rovers
1,850 around the same time last year.
http://shamrockrovers.ie/news/latest-news?71cce52574d4d86948f2109dfa3ec02e=emyvbhnz&start=25
I anecdotally heard they shifted in the region of 3,000 season tickets last year and that evidence backs it up.
Now explain how a mid size GAA club would have 'more use' for a 7,000 seater venue than the largest professional soccer club on the island? They would get crowds that dwarf every other club on the island and more than most county sides. Bear in mind that you said this would be a 'fact'
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: Thewhataboutery on February 22, 2011, 02:37:49 PM
Who mentioned anything about a parade? ??? So you are too embarrassed to admit only 200 turned out on a Monday to see the league title come home, wow what great fans. Can you answer the question for where you got your information for over 3,000 season ticket sales? Facts here are TD's have far more members than Shamrock Rovers and would have had more use for the stadium than you're lot.
Please answer the above ^^^^^
Rovers won the league on the last day of the season away from home. They have not had any games since then to parade the trophy. Was it a kids game or a function of some sort? I have no idea what you are talking about, and in fact I don't actually care.
A simple google search - they sold their 2010 th ticket for 2010 in January 09. Two months before the season began.
http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php/community/cpo-objectives/shamrock-rovers
1,850 around the same time last year.
http://shamrockrovers.ie/news/latest-news?71cce52574d4d86948f2109dfa3ec02e=emyvbhnz&start=25
I anecdotally heard they shifted in the region of 3,000 season tickets last year and that evidence backs it up.
Now explain how a mid size GAA club would have 'more use' for a 7,000 seater venue than the largest professional soccer club on the island? They would get crowds that dwarf every other club on the island and more than most county sides. Bear in mind that you said this would be a 'fact'
Not true. League is soccer's major competition. The equalivent in GAA is the AI. And then any county team would have more than rovers best attendance!!
You don't help yourself when you come out with crap like that.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Not true. League is soccer's major competition. The equalivent in GAA is the AI. And then any county team would have more than rovers best attendance!!
You don't help yourself when you come out with crap like that.
Thats not what I said. He claimed Thomas Davis would have had bigger crowds week in week out than Rovers. Rovers have crowds that many counties can't get out in the league, never mind club attendences. I never mentioned championship.
He has yet to back this up. Its patently absurd that a medium sized GAA club will get better crowds than a LoI side.
Considering there has been no actual attendance figures that have been backed up by any links I'd struggle to believe that Rovers would have better attendance than any counties bar maybe one or two. And definitely not Div 1 county teams.
I have a report of what was said last night and how much is owed to who for how long and what they want to do about it, but fcuk it. All I get is abuse, so you can wait for TD to leak it to the Indo.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Considering there has been no actual attendance figures that have been backed up by any links I'd struggle to believe that Rovers would have better attendance than any counties bar maybe one or two. And definitely not Div 1 county teams.
Who f**king cares?
He said TD would get more punters through the door and you are shiteing on about intercounty attendences?
The topic in hand is a GAA club that is about to die.
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
Like I say, who f**king cares. People don't LIKE what I say, but I have never, ever been wrong on anything I posted.
As I say, I couldn't give a fúck anymore. TD are dead. Gone. I predicted this 4 years ago. But I'm not 'trusted'.
People on this site need to grow up and realise that members of the GAA like me who argued against batshit spending on nonsense were right. Look at today's Indo or Examiner. The GAA hierarchy are lining up to prepare you for the worst. The problems coming down the line will make the LoI look like a walk in the park.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
Like I say, who f**king cares. People don't LIKE what I say, but I have never, ever been wrong on anything I posted.
As I say, I couldn't give a fúck anymore. TD are dead. Gone. I predicted this 4 years ago. But I'm not 'trusted'.
People on this site need to grow up and realise that members of the GAA like me who argued against batshit spending on nonsense were right. Look at today's Indo or Examiner. The GAA hierarchy are lining up to prepare you for the worst. The problems coming down the line will make the LoI look like a walk in the park.
Talking through your arse as usual. The clubs in the Gaa bar a few exceptions are nowhere near the shit-house that is the LOI. 99% of clubs will be absolutely fine and most are taking steps to ensure they are.
LOI model for success- pay players money we dont have but we might have if we qualify for the knockout stages of rthe Champions League. Some LOI players were coming out with 2 grand net a week. Some clubs in the championship in England dont even pay that.
So I think its safe to say most GAA clubs will be fine.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
Like I say, who f**king cares. People don't LIKE what I say, but I have never, ever been wrong on anything I posted.
As I say, I couldn't give a fúck anymore. TD are dead. Gone. I predicted this 4 years ago. But I'm not 'trusted'.
People on this site need to grow up and realise that members of the GAA like me who argued against batshit spending on nonsense were right. Look at today's Indo or Examiner. The GAA hierarchy are lining up to prepare you for the worst. The problems coming down the line will make the LoI look like a walk in the park.
You have been wrong on things you've posted, not least I don't believe that Rovers would have better attendance so you crying that your always right doesn't impress anyone when it's been shown you've lied. Hardy pointed out one of these earlier. So that's why your not "trusted".
I've no doubt that there'll be hard times ahead for the GAA, much the same as any other organisation. But I know I'd have more faith in the GAA coming out of it stronger than the LOI.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
TD are dead. Gone.
No they aren't.
Since you know whats going to apppear in the papers (or you know someone who received an invitation letter to the TD EGM) I look forward to your response when stories about Morton & Tallght stadium and irregularities come out.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 22, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
So if he talks sh*te that gives you the right to do the same?
No wonder you get abuse on here considering you spout crap so often. Then you wonder why people don't trust what you say!
Like I say, who f**king cares. People don't LIKE what I say, but I have never, ever been wrong on anything I posted.
As I say, I couldn't give a fúck anymore. TD are dead. Gone. I predicted this 4 years ago. But I'm not 'trusted'.
People on this site need to grow up and realise that members of the GAA like me who argued against batshit spending on nonsense were right. Look at today's Indo or Examiner. The GAA hierarchy are lining up to prepare you for the worst. The problems coming down the line will make the LoI look like a walk in the park.
If as you say, you couldn't care less then why don't you feck off and leave us alone? Or maybe that's another lie.
Quote from: dublinfella on February 22, 2011, 02:15:23 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 22, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
Any evidence to offer on this one?
From TODAY'S paper...
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/leinster-chief-warns-its-time-to-tighten-belts-2550035.html
Very clear that there will be no central bailout from that.
The man STATES "we cannot stand on the sidelines and watch any of our units go past the point of no return".
If TD need the funds or whatever type of assistance they will get it.
It seems clear from that article that the funds are there at provincial/national level but they will not be accessed easily by clubs in trouble.
Shamrock Rovers went bust a couple of years ago because not enough people wanted to watch them, they were then reformed as a first division club. They have no real fans, just a few new fans because of the stadium in Tallaght pretty sure most of those people would prefer to watch good old traditional Irish club GAA sport. I know for a fact Shamrock Rovers arrange their you training sessions around the local GAA clubs because the young lads son't want anything to do with it.
"TDs are dead. gone"
You did not respond to an earlier post i made about this being impossible as long as its members want the club to keep going. You forget were some clubs come from and the were some clubs still operate from. Removal of assets such as playing fields and club rooms is a major blow but some clubs operate without these still and most were started without them.
On a lighter note I remember going to a Derry city shamrock rovers game (which i can confirm celtic park has much larger attendances for NFL games than derry city has for league games and they are one of the best supported clubs in the LOI) Shamrock rovers took an early one nil lead and started chanting "your not singing anymore" which the derry fans song back "wer' gona burn ya bus, wer gona burn bus" which they did and won two one. Ah proud memories! :D
Quote from: HiMucker on February 23, 2011, 10:50:42 AM
"TDs are dead. gone"
You did not respond to an earlier post i made about this being impossible as long as its members want the club to keep going. You forget were some clubs come from and the were some clubs still operate from. Removal of assets such as playing fields and club rooms is a major blow but some clubs operate without these still and most were started without them.
Just to reinforce this point to Dublinfella.
My own club got to an all ireland intermediate club final in 2007 without actually having a pitch or premises of their own. The whole club prior to that point had grown up training and hosting home matches on the nearby university pitches.
And we did this in what was long an aggressively anti-GAA backwater.
You think a struggling Thomas Davis won't lack for sympathetic support from the wider community of Dublin GAA and sports teams? I can guarantee you pitches would be made available, at least at a low rent as ours were.
Thomas David cannot die whilst the members have the will to carry it on.Thats the difference between GAA and Soccer you don't seem to grasp. The strength of the GAA is in its community and fundraising, beyond that all is needed is a pitch.
Contrast with Soccer, where there is a greater likelihood that the whole thing falls to an arse when everyone from the groundsman up doesn't get paid.