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I would probably have given the nod to Stevie G, failing him Frank Lampard. The last one i would have taken was Rio Ferdinand as i doubt he will play much to begin with.

Quote from: stew on February 05, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
I would probably have given the nod to Stevie G, failing him Frank Lampard. The last one i would have taken was Rio Ferdinand as i doubt he will play much to begin with.

that was the first thing that came to my head too. sure he is finished at premiership level never mind internationals

Stevie G was the man. And im neither a utd or pool man so no bias there.

Quote from: Hoof Hearted on February 05, 2010, 08:18:33 PM

Quote from: stew on February 05, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
I would probably have given the nod to Stevie G, failing him Frank Lampard. The last one i would have taken was Rio Ferdinand as i doubt he will play much to begin with.

that was the first thing that came to my head too. sure he is finished at premiership level never mind internationals

Stevie G was the man. And im neither a utd or pool man so no bias there.

I was a united fan and have no time for Liverpool but I still voted for Stevie G, Rooney is maybe one for the future as far as the captaincy goes but I am surprised he went with Rio, didnt he say he was only interested in taking fully fit players? Rio is on the downside of his career and is prone to some brutal mental lapses in games, I wouldnt start him on that England team, I wouldnt even start him on the United team given recent form.

I'm surprised people here care about who gets the England captaincy. Hopefully whoever gets it won't be lifting the World Cup.   

Now that JT is out of the picture it's hard to know, probably should have been between Lamps, Wazza and Stevie G.

Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2010, 08:26:33 PM
I'm surprised people here care about who gets the England captaincy. Hopefully whoever gets it won't be lifting the World Cup.   

Ditto

Quote from: red hander on February 05, 2010, 09:07:49 PM

Quote from: longrunsthefox on February 05, 2010, 08:26:33 PM
I'm surprised people here care about who gets the England captaincy. Hopefully whoever gets it won't be lifting the World Cup.   

Ditto

You dont have to care to have a discussion, I dont care who they give it to, it is just a topic of discussion.

Stevie G!

Depends on the criteria? Was Terry sacked for shagging a team mates missus, or was he sacked because the papers got a hold of it. I doubt if the players in the England set up were too bothered, and it would have blown over. Bridge and Terry are not the first pair of team mates or friends to be in that situation, and they won't be the last.

So, if we take it that Terry as a captain on the field and in the dressing room is a good leader, as he seems to be, what is the criteria for selecting a successor if his sin was too great?

It doesn't seem to be past form, as I'd consider Ferdinand's behaviour in Cyprus as more out of order than Terry's. Ferdinand was borderline illegal, depending on whether the girls knew about it or not. Terry's was just stupidity.

not many people give a f**k about peter robinson or his wife, but it didnt stop over 100 pages of DISCUSSION on it. thats all this is too. Personally i dont give a fcuk about england either, and hope they get stuffed every game they play.

To be honest, to me, it's the angle of media driving the agenda that I find interesting. I've been in lots of dressing rooms, and many people didn't like each other at various times, or had rows over things like this. The dressing room was always tense around the people in question until they made their peace with each other. However, the rest just got on with it. And if a lad was totally unacceptable to the group as a whole, he'd be gone.

I can't believe that the England squad as a whole would allow the fact that John Terry was parking in the wrong space influence their opinion of him as a captain or a leader. It's his role on the field that matter to players. If that is not the case, then he should be gone off the squad, because whether he wears the armband or not, he'll be causing strife throughout the squad.

I think Capello is trying to be clever here, and making Terry a sacrificial lamb to the media. And that's what I find interesting. As I've said it can't be because his new captain is any better in terms of 'scandal' type stories in his own past.

I don't buy the whole "outrage" from the Enhland team, the only outrage is that they didn't get there first. If those fellas thought Terry gave them a better chance of winning a World Cup and all the trappings that go with it they would overlook anything. Sport at that level is only about winning

Is there any indication or quote from any England player that says they are outraged at Terry's behaviour? They might think he was being a fool, or an dick, but that would last about 2 days in their minds I'd bet.

If there is genuine outrage, then he needs to be kicked out of the squad.

Quote from: AZOffaly on February 05, 2010, 10:07:21 PM
Is there any indication or quote from any England player that says they are outraged at Terry's behaviour? They might think he was being a fool, or an dick, but that would last about 2 days in their minds I'd bet.

If there is genuine outrage, then he needs to be kicked out of the squad.

Just the usual "sources" saying "several players" are upset by his behaviour.

i.e. Bollox.

I genuinely don't care about the specific case here either way, whoever is captain of England is fairly far down my list of priorities at this stage of my life :D

I do find the idea of the England manager throwing his captain to the wolves of the scummy red top media fairly interesting though.

as well as the roasting video, ferdinand has also been done for drink driving, and going shopping instead of taking a drug test is hardly role model material either.

Who gives a f**k? Hope they get hammered in every game :-\

Quote from: clarshack on February 05, 2010, 10:12:46 PM
as well as the roasting video, ferdinand has also been done for drink driving, and going shopping instead of taking a drug test is hardly role model material either.

not forgetting currently serving a 4 match ban for clumping someone off the ball a few weeks back

I don't particularly think Ferdinand's past issues are relevant to his being captain of England, but yeah, if he is fit to be, why is Terry not? Just because it was a team mate's girlfriend? Hardly.

It certainly seems to remove one of the justifications Capello would have for removing Terry, but not throwing him off the squad. (The one about his captain having to set a good example and be above such behaviour).

I'm surprised at this too - I thought Capello would have had more sense than to let the British Media get to him. The same media will no doubt turn their twisted attentions to Rio now - the character assasination should begin asap. It seems like a weak move by Capello - but he's been a very successful manager for a long time so he may yet be proven right.

Look at it from Capello's point of view. His captain has created an unnecessary storm and media circus he didn't need. If there are more relevations down the line  ( who is the the 5th player for example- apparently he's english!!) and Terry is still captain it will create another circus. Good decision in my view he had to re-affirm some authority in the dressing room. As for poor ould Terry and Rio- both of them get 150k a week - a few photos being taken of them is hardly harrassment is it?

I don't why he doesn't give it to Rooney. Has no interest in the celebrity life. A few minor indigressions as a teenager but he doesn't date page3 models, fall out of nighclubs etc. Just seems a reasonably decent lad to me who is only interested in playing football.