Anybody able to tell me where inKildare this games being played ie how to get to the pitch if coming up from Laois?
Dunno but well done on starting a new Armagh thread ::)
FFS, why should I have to go the Aramagh thread to talk about this match? >:(
FAO Over the Bar
Sorry, you've lost me. Why am I deserving of congratulations?
Ignore him Dinny. He is feckin paranoid about anything that involves Armagh
jaysus lads yiz are wild tetchy today.... must be the day after the night before or somethin.
No ideas on where the match is being held then lads?
QuoteAnybody able to tell me where inKildare this games being played ie how to get to the pitch if coming up from Laois?
The game will be in Newbridge.
From Laois get on to the motorway and take signs for Dublin. Come off the motorway at Newbridge. Pitch is right smack in the middle of town - right hand side from your (Laois) direction.
QuotePitch is right smack in the middle of town
And just a short stagger from numerous establishments that purvey the finest beverages.
Agh Newbridge some great Feile memories.
Armagh people could you answer the following question please. When did Mc geeney win his last all star and how many did he win in total to answer a pub row.
Quote from: Over the Bar on January 29, 2007, 11:36:34 AM
Dunno but well done on starting a new Armagh thread ::)
Don't be a p***k, why shouldn't there be a thread on this game?
McGeeney won 3 all-stars, 1999, 2000 & 2002 (I think)
ishotjr is correct and you can find a full list of the all stars here
http://www.gaa.ie/page/football_all_stars.html
cheers all.
Good man An Lark - thanks for that!
Currently has a slight knock.
He will be about for this season although remains to see in what capacity
The bold Dermot Earley has been announced as Kildare Captain for the season and will make his debut as Captain against Armagh this Sunday.
Is throw in time 2:00 or 2:30 pm?
Kildare team picked...
1. Enda Murphy
2. Eamonn Callaghan
3. David Lyons
4. Andriu McLochlainn
5. Mark Scanlon
6. Mark Hogarty
7. Anthony Rainbow
8. Killian Brennan
9. Dermot Earley
10. Derek McCormack
11. John Doyle
12. Ken Donnelly
13. Padraig O'Neill
14. Tomas O'Connor
15. Murt Donnelly
Jesus that's a big side, you'd think Anthony would just retire. Still would be pretty condifent about Sunday...
Dinny,
There is a rule about following Kildare...never be confident.
And in the unlikely event that you are confident...never say you are.
So where is Scanlon from? Are the Donnelly's the Ellistown ones?
Good to see Earley as captain. Class act.
I woudln't be too sure about Hogarty at centre back.
I'm confident because Armagh won't be at their strongest, it will be a heavy pitch so a big side will help and we generally have a good home record in the league but I know I shouldn't express those feelings but a man can be an optimist...
QuoteSo where is Scanlon from? Are the Donnelly's the Ellistown ones?
Scan is from Round Towers ;D He's younger brother is a bit special although a bit mad. The Donnelly's are indeed the Ellistown ones Ken is worth a shot not sure about Murt.
Not sure about Hogarty either, but Foley will be back but personally would love to see Ross Glavin get a run
From the BBC
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Four make NFL debuts for Armagh
Armagh's boy Kevin Dyas
Armagh manager Joe Kernan has kept his promise to blood fresh talent by giving four players National League debuts away to Kildare on Sunday.
Dromintee's Kevin Dyas, Granemore pair Kieran Toner and Tony McClelland plus Paudie McCreesh of Cullyhanna are in the starting line-up.
Kernan is without seven Crossmaglen players because of their involvement in the All-Ireland club championship.
Another six established team members have still to returm from injury.
Nineteen-year-old forward Dyas is rated an outstanding prospect in the Orchard County.
He scored two goals for his school, Abbey CBS, when they won the Hogan Cup in 2006.
Armagh: C McKinney, A Mallon, Kieran Toner, E McNulty, P McCreesh, C McKeever, T McClelland, G Swift, C Vernon, P Toal, J Lavery, Martin O'Riourke, S McDonnell, M Mackin, K Dyas.
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A very inexperienced Armagh team. Can't say I know much about the new boys bar Swift and Vernon.
So how do we get to this Newbridge ground coming from the north?
QuoteSo how do we get to this Newbridge ground coming from the north?
M1, M50, M7 - take the Newbridge Exit, first one after Naas exit (Big Ball). Pitch is right bang in the middle of the town on the left as you head up the town. No pay-parking on a Sunday so park the car anywhere although closer to the bridge should ensure a quick exit...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 01, 2007, 02:29:01 PM
QuoteSo how do we get to this Newbridge ground coming from the north?
M1, M50, M7 - take the Newbridge Exit, first one after Naas exit (Big Ball). Pitch is right bang in the middle of the town on the left as you head up the town. No pay-parking on a Sunday so park the car anywhere although closer to the bridge should ensure a quick exit...
Cheers Dinny!
It will be very interesting to see what happens, the youngsters certainly showed plenty of stomach for the fight in the mckenna cup, but this will be a step up in class and effort. Great to see 3 Harps men on a county team again, Nippy and Vernon are certainly up against it in MF with Early in there. Hopefully Peadar will take some of the burden of McDonnell's shoulders in the scoring stakes.
Kildare at 5/4 looks a bit of a stick up with that Armagh team, but I suppose you never know, could the beginning of something wonderful.
Are Kildare near enough full strength?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 01, 2007, 03:16:23 PM
Kildare at 5/4 looks a bit of a stick up with that Armagh team, but I suppose you never know, could the beginning of something wonderful.
Are Kildare near enough full strength?
Benny, in that case you'd have to agree that the 15/8 with Powers represents a small bit of value ;)
heres the team for the Kildare match. Few new faces. I only saw the game on TG4 last week but Id still be cobnfident of a good win. Kildare arnt the force they were a couple of years ago. Any body travelling down to the game??armagh
Ciaran McKinny
Andy Mallon, K toner E Mc Nulty
P McCreesh, C McKeever, Tony McClelland
Garteh Swift C Vernon
P Tole J Lavery Marty O'Rourke
Stevie McDonnell M Mackin Keven Dias
Sorry Admin I didn't see this tread ???
Quote from: Armagh4SamAgain on February 02, 2007, 01:25:47 PM
heres the team for the Kildare match. Few new faces. I only saw the game on TG4 last week but Id still be cobnfident of a good win. Kildare arnt the force they were a couple of years ago. Any body travelling down to the game??armagh
Ciaran McKinny
Andy Mallon, K toner E Mc Nulty
P McCreesh, C McKeever, Tony McClelland
Garteh Swift C Vernon
P Tole J Lavery Marty O'Rourke
Stevie McDonnell M Mackin Keven Dias
P Tole :D
It's good to have Armagh4samagain back again. I always value his intelligent insights and observations. I wonder if he still thinks that Tom Humpries should "take up writing for a living"? ;)
Armagh4Samagain askin is anyone travelling to the game.... Anybody want to offer this poor chap a lift????? :D
Leave Armagh4SamAgain alone. His opinion is as valid as anybody elses.
I think they should try Geezer at corner foward. His legs aren't up to it further out the field however
I think his stern countenance will unnerve the corner backs...what do you think Armagh4SamAgain ?
We all know who he is anyway, joke is old.
is Geezer even on the bench?
Anybody know if the game is being aired on the net?
There's live coverage on 100.5FM in the Newry area
HALF-TIME:
Kildare 0-5, Armagh 0-5 (4 frees from Armagh......)
RESULT:
Kildare 0-12 Armagh 0-10
keep it coming fiodoir.
QuoteKildare 0-12 Armagh 0-10
Not bad, I thought it'd be worse.
John Doyle for Kildare scored 10 of their 12 points.
I wonder will Down do anything about thon next Sunday...........
Probably not since one of our best marking defenders, Brendan Grant, has been dropped from the panel. Strange
QuoteKildare 0-12 0-10 Armagh
Steven McDonnell of Armagh
Steven McDonnell scored six points but Armagh lost
Understrength Armagh lost to Kildare in their opening Division 1B fixture despite six points from three-times All Star Steven McDonnell.
The Killeavy clubman landed two frees in the first half which ended with the sides level on five points each.
Armagh's other points at Newbridge came from Peadar Toal (3) and Gareth Swift.
Lilywhites forward John Doyle scored 11 of Kildare's 12 points to give John Crofton an encourgaing start to his second league campaign as manager.
Just ast I thought, McDonnell and Toal the only scoring threat of the six forwards.
Who was suppose to be marking John Doyle?
QuoteJohn Doyle for Kildare scored 10 of their 12 points
Anyone know who was marking him? Was his marker changed?
Good crowd in Newbridge on a ground that will shortly be demolished, perhaps we could buy the stand and put it somewhere in Armagh. Kildare were full of beans and came at Armagh in waves, this often resulted in a free, which Doyle knocked over. Kildare had a couple of half chances for a goal, but McKinney was well positioned. Except for a period towards the end of the first half Armagh couldn't get the ball up to the Kildare 45, having little success with kickouts and not much idea what to do even if they did win the ball. Mackin and Swift swapped places for a while, without much effect and Paul Keenan came on for Dyas (I think). There were some sad give aways of the ball by Armagh and neither side will win awards for accuracy. Big Joe seemed a bit agitated about the whole thing.
Disappointing performance. Half forward line carried no threat or ball winning abiltiy, and Martin O'Rourke must have given the bsall away at least 6 times before being subsituted.Why the hell didn't Ciaran Mc Keever flatten Doyle, never thought I'd see the day when anyone would take 11 points off him.What the hell is Michael O'Rourke about? Didn't he know that headbands are worn by nerdy fans only and went out of fashion for players with Willie Joe Padden? Thought Toner at Full back showed potential (he certainly has the height for a full back) and Vernon and Nippy had their moments at midfield.Apart from that little to enthuse about from any of the new kids on the block I'm afraid. I thought when we'd pulled it back to 5 points each at half time we were all set to win a game that was very winnable. On the bright side we lost at home to Kildare at the same time last year with a much stronger side.Surprised to see Dermot Earley being so dirty, though glad he missed a goal sitter early in the game.
Highlight of the day was the apres match visit to the Newbridge Silverware factory and shop. Some good quality stuff at reasonable prices (missus was happy!) and a classy restaurant/coffe shop as well
Overall a disappointing performance. There were a lot of things which just didn't look right about the armagh team yesterday from the moment they took to the field and the lack of leadership was very evident in the second half particularly. mcdonnell will never make captain material but leadership is about much more than the captain.
A difficult start for the younger lads but to be fair they were no worse than the established players. the midfield pairing just didn't work. Earley had a field day in the air and even more particularly from broken play where he wreaked havoc breaking through the centre of armagh's defence. vernon had his moments going forward but that was about it. neither himself nor nippy showed any work rate when armagh hadn't got the ball.
up front armagh were very toothless as expected. i worry about this going forward as there isn't a whole pile of scoring threat to add in the medium term. Marty O'rourke gave away a lot of ball yesterday but i certainly wouldn't have taken him off.... noone else inthe forward line wanted the ball. what is worse... a forward having a bad day who still wins 90% of the ball in his sector or a forward who doesn't make a run, doesn't show any fight for posession nor look half interested in durtying his jersey?
there are quite large problems looming at the back also. Kieran McKeever is a good wing back but he'll never be a 6. yesterday was am instruction manual on how not to play the position. armagh's cetre was an open prarie with kildare pouring through at will. It can be argued that mckeever opted to man mark doyle instead but i saw no evidence of that either. young mcclelland is a tryer without a doubt but i've always thought he's just missing that ingrediant for county football and a little short. i saw no evidence to the contrary yesterday.
I like the look of toner although he was shaky enough yesterday. understandable given its his nfl debut and i think with a year on the panel he can turn into a good county defender. Paudie McCreesh was the brightest spark i thought. a battler to the end he won ball and made tackles all day and is worth an exteded run in the side.
Overall, the wiping out of our midfield and half back line cost the match and arguably the margin didn't do kildare justice. given armagh's inability to get a grip in this sector i found it baffling to see dyas, the best young defender in the county, drifting about aimlessly in the forward line. he obviously had no idea how to play the position he was asked and should have been starting wing back and certainly switched back in the first 10 minutes.
the half back line is going to be very troublesome. there are tougher tests ahead and only mcgeeney offers any possibilty of shoring the centre up but given Joe's determination not to play him things look ominous.
Uladh If ure looking for an excellent no.6 look no further than aidan o rourke. Mc keever can fill the no.6 jersey eventually though.
If only tackle but putting the county team before nepotism looks like its too big of a stretch
What's the story with McGrane? he was fit enough to play out in Dubai.
Didn't get yesterday but I wasn't suprised at the result, like Mr Fearon I thought it could've been worse. Big Joe was obviously pissed off big time from reading the Irish News report, he read Lavery from the pulpit for getting injured midweek in club training and I assume it was Martin O'Rourke he was getting at with the simple mistakes jibes.
The Difference experience makes was clearly illustrated at CP on Saturday night.
Saw enough of McKeever at CHB against Kerry last year to do me a lifetime - acres of space given away. He's a good tight marking wing back though, with a bit of strength that was missing against Kerry in the same game.
It would have been asking a lot for a very inexperienced and disjointed team to get a result yesterday away from home. The warning signs are there for the year ahead though. I would like to see Toal tried as a corner forward in an early league game to see how he gets on.
Thanks for the report Uladh even though it is laced with some pessimism (realism?). I'm with you on the issue of M O'Rourke; sure he made mistakes but he always gives it a lash which is more than you say about most of the rest of the forwards. Has Kernan a thing about the O'Rourkes? Martin is often substituted during games and Aiden, who would certainly be in my panel, told me recently that he doesn't kow why he was dropped; having him at CHB yesterday and on occasions last year could have helped.
As well as needing more scoring options up front we also have a gap at mid-field; Loughran isn't near the mark and I don't think young Swift is either. I had hopess last year for Mackin but they evaporated.
I know it's only February, but I'm depressed.
Didn't make the game yesterday but the result doesn't surprise me alot. The Kildare midfield is very good particuraly Earley and I couldn't see us getting a ball there. One of the most encourging performances I've seen this year was James Lavery playing midfield for St. Mary's against Armagh, its a pity about the injury he picked up while training for Maghery (good to see he still wants to put it in with his club). Whats the bets it'll be a while before he gets another go with Armagh!!
I've played against Martin O'Rourke a number of times and he is a nasty piece of work (I don't like him very much). However, for me he makes the Armagh team every day of the week. His ability to win hard ball is second to none and he normally uses it fairly well. I also agree with Sandy Hill that Aidan O'Rourke should still be on the panel.
I would like to see McGrane and Lavery getting a go in midfield (and this is my big hope for the year), but as I said above Lavery could spend the next couple of months licking his wounds on the bench!
The most frustrating thing is that you would have bet money on Armagh to win at half time, and I'd say with another ten minutes at the end, they would have gone on to win as well.The two ten minute opening spells at the start of both halves did the damage.Sorry, the balls given away by Martin O'Rourke yesterday were inexcusable (ffs kicking sideline balls and frees under no pressure straight to Kildare men a few yards away!!!).I think Vernon,Swift and Toner definitely have potential, but surely either Mc Geeney or Mc Grane could have been used at some stage yesterday.This was a match that could easily have been won. Kildare didn't impress me at all
jaysus lads Johnny doyle has a field day and the main talking point is the armagh half back line!!
im a kildare man and it kinda annoys me the way JD gets ignored a lot. he is pure class.
he's a good club man too and will score heaos from the midfield for allenwood.
either way though its early days yet. sure we beat ye last year and our fortunes went in different ways in the end!!
As armagh get progressively worse are we going to get a break from all the armagh supporters on here thinking they can win another all-ireland this century
Good to see the football back, though somethings yet to change, cold days, good armagh support, inexperienced team, possible mistakes from Joe evident and a poor referee
QuoteSorry, the balls given away by Martin O'Rourke yesterday were inexcusable
Yes i agree but on number of them occasions he had very little options, the sideline ball for example everyone stood still, yes he made the mistake of giving ball away and probably should have done different but id think no matter where he kicked it he would have lost possession.
Stevie scored good few points, but also missed a few by a good margin too. Mc Keever got a complete roasting. Yet Joe made no changes, what was harm in trying big tony mclelland in No.6 after at least 40 mins?
Cant see Joes logic in sticking a 19 yr old who making his debut in No.11 when he rarely plays there at any other team or level, is it a case of well i tried him didn't work bye bye.... i certainly hope not
Micheal O Rourke got hurt in warm up hence the bandage. Forker was doing well, presume was hurt as he went down shortly before he came off. Paudie MCCreesh and Big toner did very well in defence
What was anyones view on the ref? I thought he was very poor
QuoteAs armagh get progressively worse are we going to get a break from all the armagh supporters on here thinking they can win another all-ireland this century
dont be a w**ker jack.
Tony
QuoteWhy the hell didn't Ciaran Mc Keever flatten Doyle, never thought I'd see the day when anyone would take 11 points off him.
I don't think that Ciaran McKeever should be encouraged to act the thug, not that he needs to be encouraged.
Heard James Lavery got a knock in a challenge game with his club. :(
Was out of the country so couldn't make this game but wasn't surprised at the result. Aramagh had a very weak side and don't have the strength in dept of a Kerry or a Tyrone. Neither am I surprised that JD scored 11 points, a class act and just unfortunate to be from Kildare in that he doesn't get the recognition his talent deserves. Kildare need to follow this win with an away in Down.