Taken from RTE sport
The Armagh Senior Football panel have taken the extraordinary step of releasing a statement to express their disappointment at the selection process for a new manager for the county.
Earlier this week the task of naming a new manager took a major back step when the five-man selection committee resigned after becoming frustration with a lack of progress.
The Armagh players believe the lack of support from county executive level was behind the decision.
The now Monaghan assistant Paul Grimley had been put forward for the job and the players identify in their statement that a 'primary candidate', thought to be Grimley, has the support of the panel, but outside forces are stopping him being appointed.
The statement said: 'The clubs via their nominations identified a primary candidate to whom the players remain supportive but due to what we see as personal agendas, and a flawed process, their voices have been overlooked.
'We also believe that those entrusted with safeguarding this ideal are not acting accordingly and thus no longer retain our confidence.'
Grimley has denied speculation he will take the job if it is offered to him, claiming he will not go back on a decision to take the role with Monaghan.
He said: 'I have given Seamus McEnaney my word and intend to stick by that.'
The players are now calling for a county board meeting to discuss what they call 'the gravest of situation' to allow their opinion to be aired.
Cork hurlers all over again ?
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2009, 11:56:11 AM
Cork hurlers all over again ?
Please ! Don't go there.
Def dont want to go down that road!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: orangeman on September 11, 2009, 11:58:24 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2009, 11:56:11 AM
Cork hurlers all over again ?
Please ! Don't go there.
If it does head down that road any chance you and Reillers can keep away from the discussion?
The Cork hurlers? Try the Cork hurlers, the Wexford hurlers, the Waterford hurlers, the Galway footballers (probably), and a few more that we aren't aware of. Still though they aren't all worthy of 500 pages of bullshit like the Cork lads, and if the Armagh board acted out of personal spite rather than for the good of Armagh GAA then I hope the players do make a stand. However I know little about the situation so I can't comment any further.
What a mess...........
As an outsider i think its a different situation to cork hurlers, no one has been appointed as manager and they are expressing their disappointment that a viable candidate whom the players would have approved of, did not get the job because of outside personal agendas/none football reasons and they are left with no manager at the minute.
I think the hurlers situation was different than that, in that they didnt want who the CB had appointed.
CB are going to get it from all angles now :o
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
The Cork hurlers? Try the Cork hurlers, the Wexford hurlers, the Waterford hurlers, the Galway footballers (probably), and a few more that we aren't aware of. Still though they aren't all worthy of 500 pages of bullshit like the Cork lads, and if the Armagh board acted out of personal spite rather than for the good of Armagh GAA then I hope the players do make a stand. However I know little about the situation so I can't comment any further.
1- There is precious little cop on in relation to county boards here, ie in terms of how they actually work. i'd say the amount of current or ex-board delegates here could be counted on one hand. Most of the people who criticise county baords here wouldn't do the the job themselves and people here know that.
2- For me the Armagh situation is simple. The Armagh County board announced a process they had to go through Zulu. This is before Grimley resigned.
Grimley then resigned and privately made himself available for the position. However he had reservations about going through the interview process and simply saw himself as the best canditate. Which is fair enough.
That left the county board between a rock and a hard place. They had announced a transparent process with a management committee who would interview people put forward by the clubs. Now were they simply suppose to eradicate that process based on the availability of one canditate and scrub the remainder of the rest of the clubs nominations? In fairness Grimley had 2 guys on that management committe who were definitely going to vote for him, so thats as much as anyone could ask.
Grimley got a massive offer from Monaghan which he had to take in a short time span or not at all. And he took it. Thats life. And people need to get over it.
Players play- county board look after other things. What some people propose here is total anarchy. What have wexford, waterford and cork hurlerswon in the last few years? F*** all.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 11, 2009, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 11, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
The Cork hurlers? Try the Cork hurlers, the Wexford hurlers, the Waterford hurlers, the Galway footballers (probably), and a few more that we aren't aware of. Still though they aren't all worthy of 500 pages of bullshit like the Cork lads, and if the Armagh board acted out of personal spite rather than for the good of Armagh GAA then I hope the players do make a stand. However I know little about the situation so I can't comment any further.
1- There is precious little cop on in relation to county boards here, ie in terms of how they actually work. i'd say the amount of current or ex-board delegates here could be counted on one hand. Most of the people who criticise county baords here wouldn't do the the job themselves and people here know that.
2- For me the Armagh situation is simple. The Armagh County board announced a process they had to go through Zulu. This is before Grimley resigned.
Grimley then resigned and privately made himself available for the position. However he had reservations about going through the interview process and simply saw himself as the best canditate. Which is fair enough.
That left the county board between a rock and a hard place. They had announced a transparent process with a management committee who would interview people put forward by the clubs. Now were they simply suppose to eradicate that process based on the availability of one canditate and scrub the remainder of the rest of the clubs nominations? In fairness Grimley had 2 guys on that management committe who were definitely going to vote for him, so thats as much as anyone could ask.
Grimley got a massive offer from Monaghan which he had to take in a short time span or not at all. And he took it. Thats life. And people need to get over it.
Players play- county board look after other things. What some people propose here is total anarchy. What have wexford, waterford and cork hurlerswon in the last few years? F*** all.
Grimley could have put Banty on the long finger - Banty could have waited - No doubt abut that.
Who else was he going to get instead? Joe?
county board made an agreement with grimley re the manager's job and agreed to put same in writing.
County board reneged on putting the agreement in writing. Grimley smelled a rat- again - and walked.
which part of your process does that fit into Indiana?
Are these players assuming that they are in the Grimley's panel?
or
Are these players assuming that they are in the ANOther's panel
I think talking about the panel is pedantic
The core of the panel is going to be the same, regardless of who is in. The majority of the best players in the county are already on the panel so they are entitled to have their say
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 11, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
county board made an agreement with grimley re the manager's job and agreed to put same in writing.
County board reneged on putting the agreement in writing. Grimley smelled a rat- again - and walked.
which part of your process does that fit into Indiana?
And which apart of your post is accurate?
all of it. 100%
Fixed
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 11, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
People close to the CB made an agreement with grimley re the manager's job and agreed to ask the CB to put same in writing.
County board did not have time to put the agreement in writing as some were on holidays and the deadline was (arguably) impractical and too short. Grimley smelled a rat- again - and walked.
Quote1- There is precious little cop on in relation to county boards here, ie in terms of how they actually work. i'd say the amount of current or ex-board delegates here could be counted on one hand. Most of the people who criticise county baords here wouldn't do the the job themselves and people here know that.
I certainly will serve on a CB, given the opportunity, but I've accepted I know nothing about how the process in Armagh worked so I said
if the Armagh CB's decision was motivated by anything other than what is best for Armagh GAA then the players are entitled to act as they see fit. And they are certainly entitled to issue a statement.
Quote2- For me the Armagh situation is simple. The Armagh County board announced a process they had to go through Zulu. This is before Grimley resigned.
Grimley then resigned and privately made himself available for the position. However he had reservations about going through the interview process and simply saw himself as the best canditate. Which is fair enough.
That left the county board between a rock and a hard place. They had announced a transparent process with a management committee who would interview people put forward by the clubs. Now were they simply suppose to eradicate that process based on the availability of one canditate and scrub the remainder of the rest of the clubs nominations? In fairness Grimley had 2 guys on that management committe who were definitely going to vote for him, so thats as much as anyone could ask.
Grimley got a massive offer from Monaghan which he had to take in a short time span or not at all. And he took it. Thats life. And people need to get over it.
If that is what happened then fine, but others seem to dispute that version of events and I'm sure the Armagh players are fairly well informed as to what is going on and they felt that things weren't handled well so I don't see the problem with them issuing a statement to that effect.
QuotePlayers play- county board look after other things.
Only as long as CB officials are doing their best for the GAA in the county, if they are allowing politics or personnel issues colour their decisions in relation to the county team then the lads volunteering their time to play for the county team are well entitled to voice their concerns. (Not saying that is what happened here btw as I don't know)
QuoteWhat some people propose here is total anarchy.
No it's not.
QuoteWhat have wexford, waterford and cork hurlerswon in the last few years? F*** all.
Irrelevant.
A lot of ex players have used the Media to state their desire for Paul Grimley to be given the job. The players by all accounts want Grimley. Whats the propblem? By the sounds of it forces within the County Board set up have an axe to grind with Grimley over issues in the past & are have made him pay for it by making a fool of him in '07 when McDonnell was appointed & were dragging their heals in this appointment process. They should or could have said "okay we can gaurantee in writing your appointment"
In my opinion Grimley is 100% correct to walk away. Whats the point in interviewing Candidate A,B,C if you know beforehand that Candidate D is wanted by players etc? Its a farce. You get the best man for the job & by all accounts that would have been Paul Grimley. Why wait about again to see if you can be mucked about?
God love whoever takes it now because they are on a hiding to nothing unless they can win back to back Ulster Titles & go well in the All Ireland.
There are too many boys that sit on County Boards etc with their own agendas (my own County included) & until these positions are filled with men actually in it for the better of their County then this scenario will come up again & again
Thats not the way the world works. The Galway county board still interviewed O Flaharta on Monday night even though kernan more or less had the job. They had announced a process and they stuck to it. In my opinion the Armagh county board have done the same. And if you want the job, submit yourself for interview or don't bother. Thats the way world works in all walks of life. Check out the next time your company are interviewing future staff for a vacancy. Just because Joe Bloggs on the interview panel knows one of the canditates doesn't mean the company will put the short list in the bin and not interview the rest.
Players are now getting involved in things that shouldn't concern them it seems in all counties. They may have a case if the issue involves setups and things but not to pick a manager. thats going too bloody far.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 11, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
Thats not the way the world works. The Galway county board still interviewed O Flaharta on Monday night even though kernan more or less had the job. They had announced a process and they stuck to it. In my opinion the Armagh county board have done the same. And if you want the job, submit yourself for interview or don't bother. Thats the way world works in all walks of life. Check out the next time your company are interviewing future staff for a vacancy. Just because Joe Bloggs on the interview panel knows one of the canditates doesn't mean the company will put the short list in the bin and not interview the rest.
Players are now getting involved in things that shouldn't concern them it seems in all counties. They may have a case if the issue involves setups and things but not to pick a manager. thats going too bloody far.
true indiana in my work interviews have taken place where you know righly who is going to get the job but all applicants have to follow the process of submitting the application form, doing the assessment and interview before the decision is made(even though everyone knows who is getting the job)
Why should a county board tear up agreed proceedure and allow themselves to be dictated to by 1 individual? There was every chance grimley could have got his letter then declined leaving the cb high and dry. If big joe and micko had put their names forward would people still be as quick to ditch proper process
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 11, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
county board made an agreement with grimley re the manager's job and agreed to put same in writing.
County board reneged on putting the agreement in writing. Grimley smelled a rat- again - and walked.
which part of your process does that fit into Indiana?
I posted what happened last night when I saw Indiana spouting nonsense.
He did the same with the Cork issues and didn't have a clue then either
and just when you think it couldnt get any more embarrassing!
What armagh players? There is no armagh panel and even if there was they should shut their mouths, issue a letter privately to the county board if they must but no, lets take it all public. ::)
What a joke.
Yes pints, I couldn't agree more
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 11, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 11, 2009, 01:14:38 PM
county board made an agreement with grimley re the manager's job and agreed to put same in writing.
County board reneged on putting the agreement in writing. Grimley smelled a rat- again - and walked.
which part of your process does that fit into Indiana?
I posted what happened last night when I saw Indiana spouting nonsense.
He did the same with the Cork issues and didn't have a clue then either
;D ;D ;D. Best laugh I've had in a while. Its not my fault Joe didn't tell you he was off to pastures new.
::)
Houlie is the main frnot runner at the minute, the panel respect him and Oisin and I expect this whole debacle will be put behind us within the week.
Houlie will do a good job for us, with these two we will be a very attack minded side and that will be a refreshing change from the negative dirge we have had to endure over the last few years.
Quote from: guevara on September 11, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
A lot of ex players have used the Media to state their desire for Paul Grimley to be given the job. The players by all accounts want Grimley. Whats the propblem? By the sounds of it forces within the County Board set up have an axe to grind with Grimley over issues in the past & are have made him pay for it by making a fool of him in '07 when McDonnell was appointed & were dragging their heals in this appointment process. They should or could have said "okay we can gaurantee in writing your appointment"
In my opinion Grimley is 100% correct to walk away. Whats the point in interviewing Candidate A,B,C if you know beforehand that Candidate D is wanted by players etc? Its a farce. You get the best man for the job & by all accounts that would have been Paul Grimley. Why wait about again to see if you can be mucked about?
God love whoever takes it now because they are on a hiding to nothing unless they can win back to back Ulster Titles & go well in the All Ireland.
There are too many boys that sit on County Boards etc with their own agendas (my own County included) & until these positions are filled with men actually in it for the better of their County then this scenario will come up again & again
I think you're off target slightly on a number of counts
I don't think County Board don't have an axe to grind with Grimley - he does with them.
The CB must be seen to treat everyone equal
I don't think whoever takes it on is under anymore pressure than anyone - in fact Grimley would have been under most pressure
He'll be under a lot himself with Monaghan to prove his 'value'
Agree with the last line though
Quote from: INDIANA on September 11, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
Thats not the way the world works. The Galway county board still interviewed O Flaharta on Monday night even though kernan more or less had the job. They had announced a process and they stuck to it. In my opinion the Armagh county board have done the same.
Agree with that much at least
Quote from: tyroneman on September 11, 2009, 04:56:03 PM
Why should a county board tear up agreed proceedure and allow themselves to be dictated to by 1 individual? There was every chance grimley could have got his letter then declined leaving the cb high and dry. If big joe and micko had put their names forward would people still be as quick to ditch proper process
Agree
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 11, 2009, 06:32:09 PM
and just when you think it couldnt get any more embarrassing!
What armagh players? There is no armagh panel and even if there was they should shut their mouths, issue a letter privately to the county board if they must but no, lets take it all public. ::)
What a joke.
Exactly
What's the job of the Players Rep anyway????
Steven McDonnell
Quote from: Logan on September 11, 2009, 09:29:22 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 11, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
A lot of ex players have used the Media to state their desire for Paul Grimley to be given the job. The players by all accounts want Grimley. Whats the propblem? By the sounds of it forces within the County Board set up have an axe to grind with Grimley over issues in the past & are have made him pay for it by making a fool of him in '07 when McDonnell was appointed & were dragging their heals in this appointment process. They should or could have said "okay we can gaurantee in writing your appointment"
In my opinion Grimley is 100% correct to walk away. Whats the point in interviewing Candidate A,B,C if you know beforehand that Candidate D is wanted by players etc? Its a farce. You get the best man for the job & by all accounts that would have been Paul Grimley. Why wait about again to see if you can be mucked about?
God love whoever takes it now because they are on a hiding to nothing unless they can win back to back Ulster Titles & go well in the All Ireland.
There are too many boys that sit on County Boards etc with their own agendas (my own County included) & until these positions are filled with men actually in it for the better of their County then this scenario will come up again & again
I think you're off target slightly on a number of counts
I don't think County Board don't have an axe to grind with Grimley - he does with them.
The CB must be seen to treat everyone equal
I don't think whoever takes it on is under anymore pressure than anyone - in fact Grimley would have been under most pressure
He'll be under a lot himself with Monaghan to prove his 'value'
Agree with the last line though
Why would Grimley be under pressure at Monaghan to prove his value?
Hes won numerous Ulster Titles with Armagh, a Senior All Ireland & helped Kieran McGeeney rejuvenate a Kildare team who two years ago looked over the hill.
Hes touted as one of the best coaches in the business & the guys who work with him past & present can't speak highly enough of him.
This wasnt the usual "Job Application" Armagh players wanted Grimley, the fans seem to want him he was offered another post elsewere & required "guaranteed confirmation" that the Armagh job was his. When it wasnt forthcoming he moved on.......simple as that.
With relation to Bi Joe & Galway its a total different scenario as Kernan wasnt being offered another Job at time of Galway interviewing candidates in fact O' Flatharta mighnt even got an interview had Big Joe got the Aer Arann arrangement sorted sooner ;D
If Grimley is on the mileage that he's supposed to be on I think he'll be under pressure.
Grimley has it all to prove mind you.
Anyone can be a Number 2 and claim success - he's never been under the pressure of a Number 1 slot so I don't think he's a sure fire success as a manager.
I'm sure he's good though.
I don't know what the people wanted or not - but there was a process that should have been followed and to be fair the Armagh CB have tried to stick to that - even gone to lengths to see if they could accomodate Grimley too.
Either way both Monaghan and Armagh have it all to do next year!!!
2 years here, 2years there - anybody wonder why?