Use this thread. I know the story of how Ballaghadeeren play in Mayo is an interesting and hotly contested part of GAA history but it has nothing to do with this match and there's no reason why this thread should be ruined by it.
I said I wanted Armagh to face Mayo rather than Down, now I have have I wanted, I may well live to regret it I'm sure. O'Connor took his goals very very well today, thought the match actually followed a similar enough pattern to last week's semi-final. I've been confident about this Armagh team all year so there's no sense in stopping now but its so hard to predict how minor teams will fare against each other.
How many Mayo supporters will make the trip?
This thread has the best title.
Mayo look to be a bit bigger in a lot of areas than Armagh, the FF looks a handful, no doubt Captain Deccie McKenna will be deployed at the edge of the square, trouble is we could do with him at #6 as well (eventhough he always lines out at #5).
Having watched that today we'd have to be reasonably, but not overly, confident. Today was a perfect illustration of the jitters than can see an arguably better team minor beaten.Hopefully we'll see first half Mayo turn up in a few weeks.
Quote from: AFS on August 30, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
This thread has the best title.
Clearly we don't need 3 though. Mayo51 had his up first to be fair - I was checking that my grammar was right!
Quote from: AFS on August 30, 2009, 06:21:02 PM
This thread has the best title.
Seo é an teideal snáithe is fearr, nach ea?
Down dominated possession today and created a lot of scoring opportunities, I can't see our lads being as wasteful if presented with the same.
Despite keeping Kerry out last weekend my main worry is still the team's tendency to concede goals. Mayo have scored 9 in their 5 matches, so they can definitely cause damage on that front. I'll say the same thing as I said before the Kerry game, if we can restrict them to one goal our forwards should have enough to pull us through.
Boylesports has it
Armagh 8/13
Mayo 11/8
Outright betting. No 60 minute prices up yet.
The major factors in the game today, Down conceding two goals ad then trying for a goal rather than taking their points, could be problems for Armagh too. Conceding only one goal would be great for Armagh and we can take points, if a bit of discipline is shown.
The lads need to be disciplined for this one. It would definitely inspire confidence in such players as McVerry, Tasker, McPartland if they are aspiring to the senior stage.
I think that if the forward line take the chances presented to them that Armagh will beat Mayo with a load to spare, that's an honest assessment and not merely one tinted with orange spectacles. Mayo's back line looked suspect to me today and I think that Armagh's forwards will be more than cute enough to take them on and cause them major headaches.
Armagh by 3/4
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 30, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
Use this thread. I know the story of how Ballaghadeeren play in Mayo is an interesting and hotly contested part of GAA history but it has nothing to do with this match and there's no reason why this thread should be ruined by it.
I said I wanted Armagh to face Mayo rather than Down, now I have have I wanted, I may well live to regret it I'm sure. O'Connor took his goals very very well today, thought the match actually followed a similar enough pattern to last week's semi-final. I've been confident about this Armagh team all year so there's no sense in stopping now but its so hard to predict how minor teams will fare against each other.
How many Mayo supporters will make the trip?
What's this all about? 8)
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on August 30, 2009, 10:57:36 PM
The lads need to be disciplined for this one. It would definitely inspire confidence in such players as McVerry, Tasker, McPartland if they are aspiring to the senior stage.
I think that if the forward line take the chances presented to them that Armagh will beat Mayo with a load to spare, that's an honest assessment and not merely one tinted with orange spectacles. Mayo's back line looked suspect to me today and I think that Armagh's forwards will be more than cute enough to take them on and cause them major headaches.
Armagh by 3/4
Are you Tony Davis?
QuoteWhat's this all about?
Go away.
QuoteMayo's back line looked suspect to me today and I think that Armagh's forwards will be more than cute enough to take them on and cause them major headaches.
Hmmm - 4 points conceeded from play during the entire game .... and all these being from 1 player. Mayo must be doing something right in defence.
Quote from: blast05 on August 30, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
QuoteMayo's back line looked suspect to me today and I think that Armagh's forwards will be more than cute enough to take them on and cause them major headaches.
Hmmm - 4 points conceeded from play during the entire game .... and all these being from 1 player. Mayo must be doing something right in defence.
In fairness Down were bizarrely fixated in going for goals all match long when they could have popped over about 7 or 8 easy points instead. They did create a fair few goal chances though but took none of them due to a combination of good goalkeeping but mainly poor shooting.
Mayo to win.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 30, 2009, 11:45:49 PM
In fairness Down were bizarrely fixated in going for goals all match long when they could have popped over about 7 or 8 easy points instead. They did create a fair few goal chances though but took none of them due to a combination of good goalkeeping but mainly poor shooting.
Well, he still had to stop them...and that he did..many do not...and it made the difference. He and the team deserve a lot of credit, but they must now press on and win the final.
Glad to see everyone writing us off, keep the hype down
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2009, 02:42:40 PM
Glad to see everyone writing us off, keep the hype down
You're sure about that?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on August 31, 2009, 12:04:37 AM
Mayo to win.
For me, although I think we have the team to win, the ghosts of 1992 keep haunting me.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 30, 2009, 06:18:37 PM
Use this thread. I know the story of how Ballaghadeeren play in Mayo is an interesting and hotly contested part of GAA history but it has nothing to do with this match and there's no reason why this thread should be ruined by it.
I said I wanted Armagh to face Mayo rather than Down, now I have have I wanted, I may well live to regret it I'm sure. O'Connor took his goals very very well today, thought the match actually followed a similar enough pattern to last week's semi-final. I've been confident about this Armagh team all year so there's no sense in stopping now but its so hard to predict how minor teams will fare against each other.
How many Mayo supporters will make the trip?
Me, if I can get a ticket. Armagh destroyed Kerry in the semifinal, Mayo scraped past Down. Armagh beat Down too. Don't mind been written off. Down ones wee writing us off as well...
I'll be there too. Already have my name down. Hope its finished in one day either way, longford last yr was too depressing
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 31, 2009, 02:42:40 PM
Glad to see everyone writing us off, keep the hype down
Armagh supporters are not like Down supporters, they win a few All Irelands and think they are the aristocrats of Gaelic Football, we have won one and had to fight like mad to get even that so we will take nothing for granted.
1992 was probably the lowest I ever got in terms of supporting Armagh, 03 was bad enough but expected given that the GAA were always going to want PTG to get an AI winners medal and the refereeing that day bears that out.
We have not won a minor in many decades and we are prone to the big let down, believe me when I say that the vast majority of Armagh supporters will not take you for granted, neither will our players, the management team is not going to let that happen.
That said, and no disrespect to Mayo...it really is hard to see past an Armagh win IMO
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 31, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
That said, and no disrespect to Mayo...it really is hard to see past an Armagh win IMO
Why so Tyrones Own?
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Hilarious. I think the core of the sun is the only thing comparable to how hot of favourites Armagh will be. Fine by us in Mayo though.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Hilarious. I think the core of the sun is the only thing comparable to how hot of favourites Armagh will be. Fine by us in Mayo though.
Hardly. Paddypower have Armagh at 8/11 and Mayo at 11/8 - not exactly overwhelming favourites
Dempsey was talking about a challenge earlier in the summer where armagh gave them a hiding up there, anyone at that? Armagh have to be favourites given the way we let down in so often on sunday, do that with armagh & we'll be carved up. Saddens me to say but armagh by 4-5
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Hilarious. I think the core of the sun is the only thing comparable to how hot of favourites Armagh will be. Fine by us in Mayo though.
Hardly. Paddypower have Armagh at 8/11 and Mayo at 11/8 - not exactly overwhelming favourites
Ya but come on, how often would a bookmaker make one team overwhelming favourites in a final!! Two horse race is hardly a good judge of odds. I've seen both teams play, Armagh twice and Mayo four times.
Minor games are hard to call.
I would have a funny feeling Mayo could sneak this.
I felt , had Down believed in themselves, they could have beat Armagh in Ulster.
Armagh would need to improve their distribution from the Kerry game.
It should be a tight game though. Not sure what Armagh's full back is like but he'd need to be good to watch that FF.
Reading that Down Mayo game you'd think Mayo had three good players which is certainly not the case.
Armagh will, like against Kerry, get punished by frees here so need to keep the discipline.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Hilarious. I think the core of the sun is the only thing comparable to how hot of favourites Armagh will be. Fine by us in Mayo though.
Hardly. Paddypower have Armagh at 8/11 and Mayo at 11/8 - not exactly overwhelming favourites
Ya but come on, how often would a bookmaker make one team overwhelming favourites in a final!! Two horse race is hardly a good judge of odds. I've seen both teams play, Armagh twice and Mayo four times.
Given Armaghs rather awful record in finals i will be punting on Mayo for this one.
2 AI minor finals in a row is a good achievement in itself. Why is the favourites always so argued about?, its completely pointless.
Armagh last final 1992, last win 1946........... Mayo last win 1985 since then have been beaten 1991, 1999, 2000, 2005, 2008 Finals
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 01, 2009, 12:27:03 PM
2 AI minor finals in a row is a good achievement in itself. Why is the favourites always so argued about?, its completely pointless.
1996 & 1997 Laois got to the All ireland finals & won them both kinda better don't you think?
Armagh's only minor win was in 1949.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 01, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
Armagh's only minor win was in 1949.
yes time you won another don't you think, & if Mayo lose another Final that would make it 6 final defeats in a row....i would suggest them to stand aside & let others have the opportunity to win a All Ireland ;)
Anyone know the Meath and Armagh lineouts for the 1992 Minor Final, including substitutes and scorers?
Quote from: Carbery on September 01, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Anyone know the Meath and Armagh lineouts for the 1992 Minor Final, including substitutes and scorers?
Armagh......... 1 Darren Witmarsh, 2 Eamon Fearon, 3 Eddie Martin, 4 Emlyn Bratten, 5 Conor Wilson, 6 Micheal Hanratty, 7 Kevin O' Hagan, 8 Barry O' Hagan, 9 Paul McGrane, 10 Barry Hughes 11 Diarmuid Marsden, 12 Paul McNulty, 13 Declan Toner, 14 Des Mackin, 15 Niall McGleenan
subs....... 16 kieran Hagan 17 kiernan Mallie, 18 andrew McCann, 19 Kieran Raffery, 20 John O kane, 21 Justin McNulty, 22 Damian Jordan, 23 John Creery, 24 Anthony Cunningham, Meath.......1 Brendan Murphy, 2 Kenneth Cantwell, 3 John Brady,4 James Smith, 5 Paul Shankey, 6 Joe Tighe, 7 Barry Sheridan, 8 Derry Hunt, 9 Neville Dunne, 10 Kieran Harten, 11 Caimin Hall, 12 Garrett Bell, 13 Phil Duff, 14 Peter O' Sullivan 15 Trevor Giles
Subs......... 16 Niall Graven, 17 Aiden Kealy, 18 Paul Nestor, 19 Damien Hilliard, 20 Micheal Farrelly, 21 Declan Maguire, 22 Denis Gallagher, 23 James Hughes 24 Niall WalshFull time score Was Meath 2-5 Armagh 0-10 Maybe someone else can get the scorers for you?
Quote from: haveaharp on September 01, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 01, 2009, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: maddog on September 01, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
With minor football you never can tell. Id make Mayo slight favourites seeing as they beat Down handy enough and we struggled to put Down away.
Hilarious. I think the core of the sun is the only thing comparable to how hot of favourites Armagh will be. Fine by us in Mayo though.
Hardly. Paddypower have Armagh at 8/11 and Mayo at 11/8 - not exactly overwhelming favourites
Ya but come on, how often would a bookmaker make one team overwhelming favourites in a final!! Two horse race is hardly a good judge of odds. I've seen both teams play, Armagh twice and Mayo four times.
Given Armaghs rather awful record in finals i will be punting on Mayo for this one.
You do realise they are playing a team with an even worse record in finals. ;D
Tut tut Galwayboy and Ross for life. :)
Can't ye lave poor oul Mayo/WestRos alone and not be reminding them of All Ireland Finals ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thanks Ross4life. Much appreciated.
Quote from: ross4life on September 01, 2009, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: Carbery on September 01, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Anyone know the Meath and Armagh lineouts for the 1992 Minor Final, including substitutes and scorers?
Armagh......... 1 Darren Witmarsh, 2 Eamon Fearon, 3 Eddie Martin, 4 Emlyn Bratten, 5 Conor Wilson, 6 Micheal Hanratty, 7 Kevin O' Hagan, 8 Barry O' Hagan, 9 Paul McGrane, 10 Barry Hughes 11 Diarmuid Marsden, 12 Paul McNulty, 13 Declan Toner, 14 Des Mackin, 15 Niall McGleenan subs....... 16 kieran Hagan 17 kiernan Mallie, 18 andrew McCann, 19 Kieran Raffery, 20 John O kane, 21 Justin McNulty, 22 Damian Jordan, 23 John Creery, 24 Anthony Cunningham,
Meath.......1 Brendan Murphy, 2 Kenneth Cantwell, 3 John Brady,4 James Smith, 5 Paul Shankey, 6 Joe Tighe, 7 Barry Sheridan, 8 Derry Hunt, 9 Neville Dunne, 10 Kieran Harten, 11 Caimin Hall, 12 Garrett Bell, 13 Phil Duff, 14 Peter O' Sullivan 15 Trevor Giles Subs......... 16 Niall Graven, 17 Aiden Kealy, 18 Paul Nestor, 19 Damien Hilliard, 20 Micheal Farrelly, 21 Declan Maguire, 22 Denis Gallagher, 23 James Hughes 24 Niall Walsh
Full time score Was Meath 2-5 Armagh 0-10 Maybe someone else can get the scorers for you?
So 3 players from the starting 15 with lengthy intercounty careers, and another 2 from the bench. About standard probably for what would have been an exceptional underage side by our standards.
We also did well from 2004 u21 crop, it drives me mad when you occasionally hear someone say that those players didn't come through - we took the 2 Mallons, the 2 Kernans and Kieran McKeever from that team along with another few players who would still be on the periphary.
I don't recall too many of that Meath side making it to seniors, apart from Trevor Giles of course. Peter O'Sullivan was probably the star name on that team at the time, looked a very useful player.
Don't know what to make of the Armagh Mayo final. I would have confidence in the Armagh team but Mayo must break this losing streak at some point - they looked a good side in that second half against Down. A few of the side were there last year, along with the management, so you would expect that to benefit them. If it was anyone else other than Armagh i'd love to see them win it.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 01, 2009, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 01, 2009, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: Carbery on September 01, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Anyone know the Meath and Armagh lineouts for the 1992 Minor Final, including substitutes and scorers?
Armagh......... 1 Darren Witmarsh, 2 Eamon Fearon, 3 Eddie Martin, 4 Emlyn Bratten, 5 Conor Wilson, 6 Micheal Hanratty, 7 Kevin O' Hagan, 8 Barry O' Hagan, 9 Paul McGrane, 10 Barry Hughes 11 Diarmuid Marsden, 12 Paul McNulty, 13 Declan Toner, 14 Des Mackin, 15 Niall McGleenan subs....... 16 kieran Hagan 17 kiernan Mallie, 18 andrew McCann, 19 Kieran Raffery, 20 John O kane, 21 Justin McNulty, 22 Damian Jordan, 23 John Creery, 24 Anthony Cunningham,
Meath.......1 Brendan Murphy, 2 Kenneth Cantwell, 3 John Brady,4 James Smith, 5 Paul Shankey, 6 Joe Tighe, 7 Barry Sheridan, 8 Derry Hunt, 9 Neville Dunne, 10 Kieran Harten, 11 Caimin Hall, 12 Garrett Bell, 13 Phil Duff, 14 Peter O' Sullivan 15 Trevor Giles Subs......... 16 Niall Graven, 17 Aiden Kealy, 18 Paul Nestor, 19 Damien Hilliard, 20 Micheal Farrelly, 21 Declan Maguire, 22 Denis Gallagher, 23 James Hughes 24 Niall Walsh
Full time score Was Meath 2-5 Armagh 0-10 Maybe someone else can get the scorers for you?
So 3 players from the starting 15 with lengthy intercounty careers, and another 2 from the bench. About standard probably for what would have been an exceptional underage side by our standards.
We also did well from 2004 u21 crop, it drives me mad when you occasionally hear someone say that those players didn't come through - we took the 2 Mallons, the 2 Kernans and Kieran McKeever from that team along with another few players who would still be on the periphary.
Interesting to note that all three starters on that team that went on to have significant senior careers, along with Des Mackin and Kieran Hagan, went straight into the senior panel the next year. Has the game changed so much since then that it would be asking too much for so many fellas to make the jump at once?
Quote from: AFS on September 01, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on September 01, 2009, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 01, 2009, 02:13:35 PM
Quote from: Carbery on September 01, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Anyone know the Meath and Armagh lineouts for the 1992 Minor Final, including substitutes and scorers?
Armagh......... 1 Darren Witmarsh, 2 Eamon Fearon, 3 Eddie Martin, 4 Emlyn Bratten, 5 Conor Wilson, 6 Micheal Hanratty, 7 Kevin O' Hagan, 8 Barry O' Hagan, 9 Paul McGrane, 10 Barry Hughes 11 Diarmuid Marsden, 12 Paul McNulty, 13 Declan Toner, 14 Des Mackin, 15 Niall McGleenan subs....... 16 kieran Hagan 17 kiernan Mallie, 18 andrew McCann, 19 Kieran Raffery, 20 John O kane, 21 Justin McNulty, 22 Damian Jordan, 23 John Creery, 24 Anthony Cunningham,
Meath.......1 Brendan Murphy, 2 Kenneth Cantwell, 3 John Brady,4 James Smith, 5 Paul Shankey, 6 Joe Tighe, 7 Barry Sheridan, 8 Derry Hunt, 9 Neville Dunne, 10 Kieran Harten, 11 Caimin Hall, 12 Garrett Bell, 13 Phil Duff, 14 Peter O' Sullivan 15 Trevor Giles Subs......... 16 Niall Graven, 17 Aiden Kealy, 18 Paul Nestor, 19 Damien Hilliard, 20 Micheal Farrelly, 21 Declan Maguire, 22 Denis Gallagher, 23 James Hughes 24 Niall Walsh
Full time score Was Meath 2-5 Armagh 0-10 Maybe someone else can get the scorers for you?
So 3 players from the starting 15 with lengthy intercounty careers, and another 2 from the bench. About standard probably for what would have been an exceptional underage side by our standards.
We also did well from 2004 u21 crop, it drives me mad when you occasionally hear someone say that those players didn't come through - we took the 2 Mallons, the 2 Kernans and Kieran McKeever from that team along with another few players who would still be on the periphary.
Interesting to note that all three starters on that team that went on to have significant senior careers, along with Des Mackin and Kieran Hagan, went straight into the senior panel the next year. Has the game changed so much since then that it would be asking too much for so many fellas to make the jump at once?
Not really if you consider that Kieran Toner started for us at 18 in midfield against Donegal in Ballybofey two years ago and look at the success Aidan Ó Sé, Tommy Walsh, Michael Murphy etc have had. I'd expect 2 or 3 of this year's minor panel to be in the senior panel next year and I wouldn't rule out at least 1 starter.
Good question AFS, think there's a number of players that next year's senior manager should be looking at, especially when you look at our forward line in the senior team. I think Deccie McKenna, Carragher, Grugan, and the three lads in the FF line all should be given a chance at some stage in the next few years. McVerry, in particular, would appear at this stage to have a huge future ahead of him, Tasker is as talented a player as we have had at minor level hope his size doesn't count against him when it comes to senior football.
As other posters have said Armagh have been successful in taking what limited success in underage we have had into the senior set up.
Just thought it was interesting that the only ones from the 92 team that made much of an impact appeared to do so immediately, but they were an exceptional few lads.
I think the current bunch could find it hard enough to make an immediate breakthrough. We're not lacking young talent at the minute with a couple of decent U-21 teams still to establish themselves at senior level. I'd much rather see the likes of Paul McKeown, Jamie Clarke, Mark Shields and David Cumiskey come through in the short term. The only guy I'd definitely have on the senior panel next year would be McVerry, he already looks like a senior player kicking about with a load of boys. Some of the other standout players like Tasker and Grugan are lacking a bit of physique, but they've plenty of time on their side.
Quote from: ross4life on September 01, 2009, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on September 01, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
Armagh's only minor win was in 1949.
yes time you won another don't you think, & if Mayo lose another Final that would make it 6 final defeats in a row....i would suggest them to stand aside & let others have the opportunity to win a All Ireland ;)
You don't have any particular team in mind now, do you? ;D
Stephan Forker could be added to that list. He showed up very well for the u21s again this year - some of his point taking in the Ulster final was first class.
McPartland (I forget the lad's first name) could be added to that list of potentials too, imo.
The Irish Press
Monday September 21 1992
Late-Late Meath Goal Simply Stuns Armagh
Meath 2-05
Armagh 0-10
Meath's third All Ireland Minor Football crown was captured in remarkable manner at Croke Park yesterday,
when the Leinster Champions notched the decisive goal in the second minute of injury time.
Picture the scenario. Armagh urged on by the huge Ulster following, were two points ahead and,
seemingly, only seconds removed from celebrating their second National Title in this grade.
However, Meath teams are always deadly dangerous when in touch with their opponents and once
again their effective no-frills style reaped dividends.
The Royals were attacking the Railway posts in an effort to pull this game out of the fire but the Armagh
defence dealt more than capably with their efforts.
True, Meath's most renowned sharpshooter, captain Peter O'Sullivan, twice squandered reasonable
pointing chances, to the utter horror of his County's supporters.
To their credit, the Leinster Champions kept coming forward and the break-through came in the 62nd
minute. Sustitute Michael Farrelly was fouled and Trevor Giles caught the opposing defence napping
when chipping the resultant free to the Number 20.
Farrelly, without hesitation, sent a low shot to the corner of the net and Meath had their noses in front.
Armagh tried mightily to retreive the situation. Twice James Smith drove them back with brave fetches
and clearances but, as this game entered its 65th minute, the Ulster representatives forced a '50' midway
between the posts and the Hogan Stand sideline.
Referee Séamus Prior informed Barry O'Hagan that this was the last kick of the game. The Armagh Midfielder
tried his utmost but his shot dropped short and that was that.
Armagh, with Barry O'Hagan and Paul McGrane controlling midfield, dominated the First Half yet led by
only three points, 0-06 to 0-03 at the interval. A dogged Meath rearguard made them sweat blood
for every ball and the losers notched only one point from play during this Half.
Armagh might have had a goal after eight minutes but Declan Toner boxed high and wide with only Brendan
Murphy to beat. Murphy was later to distinguish himself with a breath-taking save from Des Mackin while Meath,
in occasional forays, were more direct and invariably threatened danger.
The winners came more into this game after the resumption but Armagh always appeared to have that little
bit in hand. This was anything but a classic and it came to life in the 49th minute when Trevor Giles intercepted
a weak kick-out and beat Darren Whitmarsh with a well placed shot to the far corner.
This tied the scores, Armagh 0-08 Meath 1-05, but the Ulster Champions responded. Diarmuid Marsden put
them back in front from a free, after Barry O'Hagan was fouled, and, within seconds, Mackin sent Paul McNulty
through for another point.
This brief salvo seemed to have settled the issue but Meath teams never lack heart and this Minor squad earned
full marks for this trait. They stuck to their guns and when the opportunity eventually presented itself they took it.
Scorers:
Meath 2-05 D Hunt(0-1) P O'Sullivan(0-1) T Giles(1-2) P Nestor(0-1) M Farrelly(1-0)
Armagh 0-10 B O'Hagan(0-1) D Marsden(0-3) P McNulty(0-1) N McGleenan(0-5)
Quote from: Armamike on September 01, 2009, 10:32:21 PM
Stephan Forker could be added to that list. He showed up very well for the u21s again this year - some of his point taking in the Ulster final was first class.
Aye Stephan is already with the seniors. Hopefully he'll be pushing for a starting spot next year.
Quote from: moysider on August 31, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 31, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
That said, and no disrespect to Mayo...it really is hard to see past an Armagh win IMO
Why so Tyrones Own?
I just think the FF line will cause Mayo no end of problems....that and I think the final score against Down at the weekend
kind of flattered Mayo, had Down taken their points instead of trying to walk the ball into the net, the two goals that would
usually be enough to put any team away would have been negated.
Listen this nonsense that was pedalled out by the sunday game lads is just that, nonsense. The down lads were through on goal, of course they should have gone for goals. If they had taken their points & lost then the sunday game lads would have said goals win games, down weren't cynical enough, when ur through on goal u have to go for it. Its like mickey harte said, u win & ur changes are inspired, lose & u paniced. The truth is, down walked through our defence & had poor shot selection, not enough were kept on the turf. If anything our second goal was blessed, it was ridiculous to go for goal with 3 lads on the line.& not to knock him or anything but the zinger made some great saves but a lot were right at him, his best work was the pressure put on to force the down lad to kick wide in the 2nd half. It wld be great to have another senior kiltmagh keeper, the club has a great traditional of keepers.
I sat down last night and had a good hard look at the video. When you already know what has happened and you are looking out for certain things, you might see things that weren't obvious during the actual game.
During the first half Down has being going for points and didn't make a good fist of it. They were dominant around the middle of the field but weren't turning their advantage into scores. Coming up to the end of this half they did have a fairly impressive spell alright and did same capable of pulling ahead –if they kept the pressure on when the second half began.
Brolly was spot on in his analysis at half time; but tow things were needed for this to happen.
Down would need to get on top at the start and Mayo would have to buckle.
Neither thing happened.
Mayo kept their shape throughout the first half and Ray Dempsey was directing them very effectively. With limited possession, we seemed to have a few good forwards whom I knew would stay calm and were quite capable of doing damage if they got a better supply of ball.
I think Dempsey was able to keep them focussed for the second half and Down got rattled when Mayo didn't throw in the towel. It seems to be that Down changed tactics and went for goals because they hadn't been effective at going for points in the first half. Hindsight is wonderful alright but here is absolutely no reason to say the Down forwards would have put the game out of Mayo's reach if they kept on banging in shots from out the field.
Maybe poor tactics did cost Down the game but tactics have won and lost games before and there is no guarantee that Armagh will get things right all through the final either.
Ray Dempsey has the confidence of his players and he made damn good use of his resources throughout. He knows the pressure his lads will be under for the final but Armagh will be feeling the same pressure. Form in preliminary games means damn all in an All Ireland in front of a sell-out crowd. I saw nothing in the last game to suggest Mayo will be overawed by the atmosphere the next day. They will certainly feel the pressure but so will the Armagh lads. Both sides had to prove their worth on the path to the final and are there on merit but a lot is going to depend on the direction from the sideline.
I'm happy that ray will get the last ounce out of his team and that we will have enough good lads out there to keep the show on the road from start to finish and it will be up to Armagh to be able to do the same if they are to win.
If we are to be beaten, Armagh will have to win the game on merit and can't rely on Mayo folding up
I can't see Mayo doing that.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 02, 2009, 10:30:47 AM
the zinger made some great saves..
is that what they call him ?? Brilliant! ;D
Quote from: RogerMilla on September 02, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 02, 2009, 10:30:47 AM
the zinger made some great saves..
is that what they call him ?? Brilliant! ;D
That's news to me, I'd say Mayo4Sam is on a solo run there! Great nickname though :D
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 03, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: RogerMilla on September 02, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 02, 2009, 10:30:47 AM
the zinger made some great saves..
is that what they call him ?? Brilliant! ;D
That's news to me, I'd say Mayo4Sam is on a solo run there! Great nickname though :D
take a bow M4S , i'll be using that one..
I hear Cillian O'Connor was injured in the West Mayo minor final on Friday evening! Anyone hear if it was serious or will it keep him out of the final?
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 01, 2009, 10:39:14 PM
McPartland (I forget the lad's first name) could be added to that list of potentials too, imo.
Gavin Mc Parland
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 06, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: ardmhachaabu on September 01, 2009, 10:39:14 PM
McPartland (I forget the lad's first name) could be added to that list of potentials too, imo.
Gavin Mc Parland
was just about to ask did he forget his surname as well ;D
Whats the betting on this one. I was thinking of having the mortgage on Mayo given Armaghs record in finals. No minor title since 1949 or so.........
mayo for me by 3-4 points.
Id be buying a tent just in case.
Quote from: man in black on September 07, 2009, 03:17:51 PM
Whats the betting on this one. I was thinking of having the mortgage on Mayo given Armaghs record in finals. No minor title since 1949 or so.........
mayo for me by 3-4 points.
Well Mr Cash did you put your "mortgage" on kerry in 2006 before they played Roscommon whom had not won it since 1951
Quote from: man in black on September 07, 2009, 03:17:51 PM
Whats the betting on this one. I was thinking of having the mortgage on Mayo given Armaghs record in finals. No minor title since 1949 or so.........
mayo for me by 3-4 points.
Given our own record in finals lately, don't bet too much on us either! :-[
Cmon te feck Mayo. Slap it into them apple-chomping hoors.
Great Armagh FF line though - well worth the watching if on form.
the zinger is out with ligament damage from u-21 club game i hear.. >:(
Quote from: RogerMilla on September 09, 2009, 04:18:37 PM
the zinger is out with ligament damage from u-21 club game i hear.. >:(
Cute Mayo hoors
http://www.hoganstand.com/mayo/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=117523
Yeah, 4 of them injured I can't understand having the 4 Divisional finals played just 2 weeks before the AIF, it doesn't make sense.
Dempsey must be livid given his own personal history with the county board and having to play matches a couple of week before seriously important matches.
Be ragin if the Zinger isn't playing >:(
Quote from: ONeill on September 08, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
Cmon te feck Mayo. Slap it into them apple-chomping hoors.
Great Armagh FF line though - well worth the watching if on form.
Charming O Neill
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 09, 2009, 11:49:43 PM
Dempsey must be livid given his own personal history with the county board and having to play matches a couple of week before seriously important matches.
Be ragin if the Zinger isn't playing >:(
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
Yeah, 4 of them injured I can't understand having the 4 Divisional finals played just 2 weeks before the AIF, it doesn't make sense.
Gimmi a break guys.
Club fixtures have to go ahead. Is it fair that the club minor championship be put on hold while the minor county team are still involved?
That 13 day rule is there for the Senior, U21 and Minors as far as I know. It has to be or you would never get a club game played.
And besides, its very rare that minors get sustained injurys compared to a senior player. Not only that, but at that age they heal and mend a lot quicker.
My point is that its reasonable that the divisional finals were played. I dont know how bad the Zinger is but when I did ligaments in my ankle (as a young lad) I was only out for two weeks, and that was without physio at the time.
Like all strains ligament damage varies with the severity of the pull/stretch. I had ligament trouble on my ankle that kept me on crutches for 3 weeks and most definitely would not be playing football on the 4th week. If Slingermann is being seen as likely to start his injury must to be of the less severe kind.
Quote from: Onion Bag on September 10, 2009, 01:27:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 08, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
Cmon te feck Mayo. Slap it into them apple-chomping hoors.
Great Armagh FF line though - well worth the watching if on form.
Charming O Neill
For once the man was being honest, fair play to him for that.
I hope tyrone get their ars kicked in the senior fi............................. oh wait a minute, they arent playing. ;D
I know Armagh have issues of their own, i.e. the management and who will take over etc. But it's been a really strange week in Mayo. Not much been said, perhaps it's fear and trepidation in the lead-up to another All-Ireland, I know this thread will be busy next week, but there's no excitement at all. Suppose it's only the minors but it's an All-Ireland afterall!
Yep, you wouldn't even know Mayo were in an All Ireland final next sunday!!! Too used to the same old story i suppose....hope the injured 3 are making decent recoveries....
nice idea on the ClubMayo website http://www.clubmayo.ie/ (http://www.clubmayo.ie/) - they are organising that you can send a good luck message to the Mayo Minor team
I'm sure some players (and mentors) from teams all over the country do come on to these forums, like the rest of us, and read all kinds of good and bad stuff about themselves and their teams. Not always good reading going into a big match like an All Ireland Final so this idea of sending a bit of real postive support direct to them sound to em like a good idea - even more so for minors.
What's happening in Mayo regarding the senior team then?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 14, 2009, 09:53:33 AM
What's happening in Mayo regarding the senior team then?
Nothing much. For the most part O'Mahony's backroom management will be the same next year.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 13, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
Yep, you wouldn't even know Mayo were in an All Ireland final next sunday!!! Too used to the same old story i suppose....hope the injured 3 are making decent recoveries....
without the hype you may actual win one this time ;)
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
Quote from: ross4life on September 14, 2009, 03:41:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 13, 2009, 11:36:58 AM
Yep, you wouldn't even know Mayo were in an All Ireland final next sunday!!! Too used to the same old story i suppose....hope the injured 3 are making decent recoveries....
without the hype you may actual win one this time ;)
Shhh.. Don't let the
sheep cat out of the bag. ;)
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months
Ros Co teams in 2009 were playing from 4th January to 22nd August.
That leaves only 4 months.
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
Quote from: Rossfan on September 14, 2009, 07:12:22 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months
Ros Co teams in 2009 were playing from 4th January to 22nd August.
That leaves only 4 months.
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
FINAL - When Roscommon get to minor
final.....singular....
Must be scary Rossfan that Mayo are more likely to win Sam than Roscommon are to win a senior Connacht title.
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on September 14, 2009, 07:56:44 PM
Must be scary Rossfan that Mayo are more likely to win Sam than Roscommon are to win a senior Connacht title.
Really! I'm actually more scared of Ros winning an All-Ireland before we win one :o. Imagine how sickening that would be.. I don't even want to imagine it actually.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2009, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: Son_of_Sam on September 14, 2009, 07:56:44 PM
Must be scary Rossfan that Mayo are more likely to win Sam than Roscommon are to win a senior Connacht title.
Really! I'm actually more scared of Ros winning an All-Ireland before we win one :o. Imagine how sickening that would be.. I don't even want to imagine it actually.
Both very unlikely to happen any time soon :D
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
I'd say he has just the one.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
Very low key approach to this. Lots of lads i'd normally go to mayo matches with not even travelling. V strange. Unfortunately i just cant see us winning this. Armagh looked awesome in their semi final & we looked average & lucky. I'll be there but i think this mite be another long walk out of Croker. Best of luck to ray & the 2 knockmore lads in particular.
I'm not at home, but still it seems the build up is almost non-existant.
I'll probably be going anyway, think I should have a ticket. We did seem lucky in the semi, but a final is a different game. Impossible to know how two minor teams will react on the day, although I'd have faith the Mayo management will make the right calls to plug any holes - whether it will be enough is another matter. I'll go along anyway and hope for the best.
Best of luck to all involved, particulalrly Cillian O'Connor and Danny Geraghty.
Maigh Eo Abú!
anyone know the price of a hill ticket?
Thanks Stevie. we only received 40 tickets 96 names down, though trying to get one through work and think we may get a 2nd allocation
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
my main hobby would be pulling up the bad rhubarbs in my garden ;)
Quote from: ross4life on September 15, 2009, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
my main hobby would be pulling up the bad rhubarbs in my garden ;)
Come on now, is that the best you can come up with?
If there is bad rhubarb in the garden its surely a reflection on the gardener. Or garden.
Quote from: ludermor on September 15, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 15, 2009, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
my main hobby would be pulling up the bad rhubarbs in my garden ;)
Come on now, is that the best you can come up with?
If there is bad rhubarb in the garden its surely a reflection on the gardener. Or garden.
i don't no it always seems to grow so well in the summer months, then come september it gets all rotten i can't explain it?? ???
The Mayo centres backs name, Shane McDermott, will forever be etched in my memory due to one overly vociferous female supporter who was in Markievicz the day Mayo's minors beat Galway (before the Sligo/Galway senior match). Lets just put it like this - any time the ball went into his area of the field EVERYONE knew it! The lad played well that day and was on the ball a lot giving our eardrums some stick!!!!
All joking aside he looks a decent player though didn't play as well in the semi final. That 'keeper is some boy though, was incredible in the semi.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 15, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
The Mayo centres backs name, Shane McDermott, will forever be etched in my memory due to one overly vociferous female supporter who was in Markievicz the day Mayo's minors beat Galway (before the Sligo/Galway senior match). Lets just put it like this - any time the ball went into his area of the field EVERYONE knew it! The lad played well that day and was on the ball a lot giving our eardrums some stick!!!!
All joking aside he looks a decent player though didn't play as well in the semi final. That 'keeper is some boy though, was incredible in the semi.
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I cant see him playing that well again, he wont get the chance to, Armagh will be content to fire points over unless there is something there that is gaping, we wont be as goal happy as Down were.
Quote from: stew on September 15, 2009, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 15, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
The Mayo centres backs name, Shane McDermott, will forever be etched in my memory due to one overly vociferous female supporter who was in Markievicz the day Mayo's minors beat Galway (before the Sligo/Galway senior match). Lets just put it like this - any time the ball went into his area of the field EVERYONE knew it! The lad played well that day and was on the ball a lot giving our eardrums some stick!!!!
All joking aside he looks a decent player though didn't play as well in the semi final. That 'keeper is some boy though, was incredible in the semi.
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I cant see him playing that well again, he wont get the chance to, Armagh will be content to fire points over unless there is something there that is gaping, we wont be as goal happy as Down were.
Maybe Armagh's forwards won't get the chance to fire over points!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 14, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
FINAL - When Roscommon get to minor
final.....singular....
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FINALS ya eejit. We got to
FOUR and we
WON FOUR.
Ask your daddy to tell you a bit more about football before you start playing with your brother's PC. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 14, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
FINAL - When Roscommon get to minor final.....singular....
FINALS ya eejit. We got to
FOUR and we
WON FOUR.
Ask your daddy to tell you a bit more about football before you start playing with your brother's PC. ;)
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G'way and shite will ya. Obviously I know that Roscommon have made more than one final, the whole world knows about it when the Rossies win a match, just talking about recent history. Have ye taken the flags down since 2006 yet??...probably not.
The whole Mayo v Roscommon thing is getting a bit tiring lads. Can ye leave it for a while?
Quote from: ross4life on September 15, 2009, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 15, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: ross4life on September 15, 2009, 04:28:15 PM
Quote from: ludermor on September 14, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
It must be lonely to be following roscommon football every year having nothing to do for 12 months of it and nothing to worry about except what your neighbours are doing. I presume ye have loads of hobbies?
my main hobby would be pulling up the bad rhubarbs in my garden ;)
Come on now, is that the best you can come up with?
If there is bad rhubarb in the garden its surely a reflection on the gardener. Or garden.
i don't no it always seems to grow so well in the summer months, then come september it gets all rotten i can't explain it?? ???
I cant explain it either but definitely not due to the lack of shite ye can use as fertiliser.
Mayo Minor Team to play Armagh
Mayo Minor Team to play Armagh
1 Michael Schlingermann Micheal Schlingermann
2 Michael Walsh Micheal Breathnach
3 Keith Rogers Ceit Mac Ruairí
4 David Gavin Daithi Ó Gabháin 5 Ciaran Charlton Ciarán Ó Cathaláin
6 Shane McDermott Seán Mac Diarmada
7 Caolan Crowe Caolán Mac Conchra
8 Danny Kirby Dónal Ó Ciarba
9 Andrew Farrell Aindriú Ó Fearail
10 Brian Ruttledge Brían Ó Maoildeirg
11 Darren Coen Darren Ó Cadhain
12 Fergal Durkan Fearghal O Durcáin
13 Alex Corduff Alsander Ó Corrduibh
14 Aidan Walsh (Captain) Aodhán Breathnach
15 Cillian O'Connor Cillian Ó Conchubhair Ballintubber
Armagh by 5 or 6 for me. Didn't Walsh start at midfield in the semi? Has someone been dropped?
Good luck to Armagh in this one. Am heading down to give them and Cork a good Tyrone cheer. Bitter and all as I am, have to stick with our neighbours in the minors... can't bring myself to shout against under 18s, now if it was Armagh seniors... well, sin sceal eile :o
Daryl Herbert's dropped. Brian Ruttledge is in. Hopefully he will make an impact now he's in the half-forwards. Good luck to them anyway, it seems awful early to reveal your hand but that's the way Ray has done it seems.
Quote from: harlechman on September 15, 2009, 08:50:48 PM
The whole Mayo v Roscommon thing is getting a bit tiring lads. Can ye leave it for a while?
It's actually an important part of the Gaa that on a discussion involving a Mayo team, for example, that you have to have the nuisance Roscommon input. Most of these inputs/posts end with a winking smilie because that is part of the rules.
As an Armagh man surely you have experienced this with Down or Tyrone maybe?
I'm quietly confident about this one. Mayo to sneak it by 1/2.
Sure we always have an input as there is usually a Ros man on every one of their teams...hence my calling them Mayowestros :D
Anyway to be serious it would be nice to see them emulate Ros 06 and Galway 07 and bring Tom Markham west but with their record in Finals.... ::)
Quote from: Zulu on September 15, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Armagh by 5 or 6 for me. Didn't Walsh start at midfield in the semi? Has someone been dropped?
He ll start there the next day as well. Herbert left out and his club man Ruttledge back in. I be happy enough with that.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
Daryl Herbert's dropped. Brian Ruttledge is in. Hopefully he will make an impact now he's in the half-forwards. Good luck to them anyway, it seems awful early to reveal your hand but that's the way Ray has done it seems.
I dont think he has revealed anything that Armagh wont be expecting. Brian wont be on the wing and Farrell wont be midfield. Thought Ruttledge was unlucky to be left out last day. He can take a score but this forward line has been on starvation rations all year. To have a chance of winning the next day we need more ball than first half v Down or second half in Salthill. At least the problem has been well signposted.
Quote from: Zulu on September 15, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Armagh by 5 or 6 for me. Didn't Walsh start at midfield in the semi? Has someone been dropped?
Tut, tut Zulu. You re more pessimistic about Mayo teams than even me. And I m world champion, down-on-my-luck realist. Realist because most of the stuff I knew would happen, has happened, including our deteriorating climate and the collapse of our rotten housing -estate- development based economy.
However.....however ....... I ve a feeling we might take this one against the head. ..........Nurse!
Quote from: ballinaman on September 15, 2009, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 14, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
FINAL - When Roscommon get to minor final.....singular....
FINALS ya eejit. We got to FOUR and we WON FOUR.
Ask your daddy to tell you a bit more about football before you start playing with your brother's PC. ;)
G'way and shite will ya. Obviously I know that Roscommon have made more than one final, the whole world knows about it when the Rossies win a match, just talking about recent history. Have ye taken the flags down since
2006 yet??...probably not.
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Don't forget 2006 is the only year in RECENT HISTORY that Mayo have won a All Ireland to ;)
Fingers crossed on this one.
Just picked up a ticket for the Hill last night so hopefully there to wipe away some bad memories.
It's a cliche - but you just don't know with minors!
Quote from: Barney on September 16, 2009, 08:26:23 AM
Fingers crossed on this one.
Just picked up a ticket for the Hill last night so hopefully there to wipe away some bad memories.
It's a cliche - but you just don't know with minors!
Rather you than me on the Hill Barney. We always get a good tanking (04 and 06). Plus Cork 02...
Quote from: ross4life on September 15, 2009, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 15, 2009, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 15, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on September 14, 2009, 07:40:05 PM
When we get to Minor Finals we win them unlike Mayowestros. :P
FINAL - When Roscommon get to minor final.....singular....
FINALS ya eejit. We got to FOUR and we WON FOUR.
Ask your daddy to tell you a bit more about football before you start playing with your brother's PC. ;)
G'way and shite will ya. Obviously I know that Roscommon have made more than one final, the whole world knows about it when the Rossies win a match, just talking about recent history. Have ye taken the flags down since 2006 yet??...probably not.
Don't forget 2006 is the only year in RECENT HISTORY that Mayo have won a All Ireland to ;)
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Exactly, well aware of that but you don't see Mayo people thinking they are suddenly the aristocrats of the U-21 championship and bombarding a forum about a match that Mayo aren't involved in, same can't be said for ye Sheppard's though! Must be fairly embarrassing to see more posts from Roscommon people on this than from Armagh.......
All the best to the Armagh minor team and management on Sunday.
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2009, 11:52:19 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 15, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Armagh by 5 or 6 for me. Didn't Walsh start at midfield in the semi? Has someone been dropped?
Tut, tut Zulu. You re more pessimistic about Mayo teams than even me. And I m world champion, down-on-my-luck realist. Realist because most of the stuff I knew would happen, has happened, including our deteriorating climate and the collapse of our rotten housing -estate- development based economy.
However.....however ....... I ve a feeling we might take this one against the head. ..........Nurse!
:D well I hope you're right Moysider, though I'd like to see Armagh win a minor AI too. However from what I've seen of both teams Armagh look the vastly superior team and I just can't see anything but an Armagh win. Anyway I hope it's a great game and both teams do themselves justice.
Good luck to Mayo and whatever happens make sure that you tried your absolute best for the full game.Mayo by 2.
Good Luck to the orchard on Sunday. The future's bright.
Best of luck to all involved with the Armagh minor team on Sunday, I shall be there cheering on loudly & hoping for a happy end to my day
C'MON ARMAGH
Who from here is heading to the match? I'll be hill bound
QuoteWho from here is heading to the match? I'll be hill bound
I'll be there too, but don't know where yet. There's a ticket for me but I don't know where it's for yet. I'll take any spot. Usually get a hill ticket though, so will prob be there as well.
On the hill also, really looking forward to the match and it's a pity for our minors that the hunt for the new manager has overshadowed their build up, may actually do them a favour as it may have taken away the hype a little in the county. Hopefully, we'll have something to cheer about on Sunday afternoon.
Midfield is vital in all matches but no more so than on Sunday, if our forwards can get good ball in they'll be hard to stop but I'm worried about high ball into our FB line, hopefully Paul McShane has something up his sleeve to cope with this.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 17, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
Who from here is heading to the match? I'll be hill bound
I'll be in the Cusack and will be giving a bit of encouragement to the young Mayo lads. Seems to be a very quite build up down in Mayo so you never know, when you least expect a victory, one might just materialise. Its been too long since the MJ Mullen inspired team in '85.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 17, 2009, 09:59:06 AM
Who from here is heading to the match? I'll be hill bound
I should be there, not sure where the ticket is for yet....the usual 12 o'clock pick up on dorset street i'm thinking!
Not sure where but will be there. Wish all the best for the team and management and hopefully they can pull off the win come sunday.
MO 4 TOM
I'm for the Hill too...C'mon Armagh. I believe this match will be a lot close than people think, i don't believe the odds the bookies have the teams at is realistic. Armagh to sneak it by 1-2 pts but i would rule out a draw
Lower Cusack myself this time.
I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
Best of luck to Armagh. For the hill myself, although as Mackers will be there may try and get that changed. ;D
Sounds like there'll be a good crowd from Armagh on the hill. I'm there too.
Strange build up, with other issues overshadowing things a bit. I also think the lack of talking points has also had a role to play in making things so low-key in the county. I'm 99% certain we'll have an unchanged team so there aren't any selection dilemmas, there are no injuries that we've heard of, and not very many in the county would know enough about the opposition to attempt much of an analysis.
McVerry looking forward to the day (and the win!)
Armagh's - Eugene McVerry
17 September 2009
He may be only 5 foot 9 inches in height but key Armagh Minor footballer Eugene McVerry certainly packs a lot in for a man of his stature. The Mullaghbawn attacker is looking forward to this year's ESB All-Ireland Minor final - a chance to topple Mayo and bring a first All-Ireland title in this grade back to the Orchard County since 1949.
Like any teenager his age it's a hectic time for 18-year old Eugene McVerry as he looks ahead to embarking on a new period in his life this month as the former Abbey student begins his third level college days at the famed University of Ulster in Jordanstown.
But 'the Poly' - known for its' strong GAA tradition isn't the only thing on McVerry's mind at the moment - indeed the focus for him and the rest of his Armagh colleagues is about bridging a 60-year gap and bringing the Tom Markham Cup to the Orchard County for only the second time in the 125 year history of the GAA.
There have been some notable scalps along the way - most notable victory over Tyrone in the Ulster Championship earlier this Summer.
The Red Hands went into the game as reigning Ulster and All-Ireland champions and McVerry believes that victory was a crucial spring-board for his side this year.
"The Tyrone game - we were playing the defending Ulster and All-Ireland champions and it was always going to be a massive hurdle to get over. Robbie (Tasker) stepped up in the last minute and buried a penalty and once we beat Tyrone that day it gave us an extra bit of confidence," he said.
"We always knew that we were a good team but it was just to get over the first hurdle. A lot of boys hadn't played Ulster Championship football and it was just to get over the first hurdle and take it one game at a time. We've done that and luckily enough we have come this far."
It was a major turnaround for Armagh, who crashed out of last year's Championship to Cavan at the first hurdle.
McVerry recalls the disappointments his side have faced in the past two years.
"I played against Cavan last year and we were no good. We were given a lesson over in Breffni Park. The year before we were hammered by Tyrone in Clones. These have been the biggest games of my career so far this year.
"Getting to play in Croke Park is the main attraction. It's unbelievable playing there and that's what gets us nervous, but nerves are good and that's what gets us ready for the big battle.
"Last year was definitely disappointing and we gave a bad showing ourselves. But that was last year's team. This year's team is completely different and a lot better and stronger. We are together and proved that we are a good side. We have one more step to go and hopefully we'll get there."
This Summer on a balmy day at St Tiernach's Park in Clones all the talk was of a rare Ulster Senior final appearance for Antrim, but the undercard was just as memorable for the Minors of Armagh and Down, although McVerry concedes that it wasn't a classic Ulster Minor deciders.
"I think the Ulster derby and with a lot of the lads knowing each other and the rivalry - it got the better of both teams that day and it was a poor spectacle," he said.
McVerry felt that his side firmly made amends in the next their All-Ireland quarter-final and semi-final wins with some excellent performances.
"We played great stuff against Kildare in the first half, that was probably our best first half all year and then we played a good second half against Kerry. But I think we'll need to play two good halves to beat this good Mayo side."
McVerry has been one of Armagh's star performers this year, but insists it is very much a team effort. Robbie Tasker and Gavin McParland are two other forwards who have become household names this year, but the Coldplay fan says all of his side are well capable of sharing the scoring burden.
"There are six scoring forwards and two midfielders who can kick points. There are two half-backs who have scored as well. Caolan Downey from corner-back has popped up and got a point. Even on the subs bench there are a lot of talented players. You see it in training all the time that they are fit to kick points with either foot. It's great and it pushes us along that we know we are not guaranteed our starting place and it is good for our team selection."
After a bad year on both the Senior and Under 21 front it has been left to the Minor team to carry the can for Armagh Gaelic football this year.
McVerry says that following the exit of the Senior side from the Championship there has been a bigger interest in the minor side, but that the hype isn't effecting the players as the management have helped to shield the players from it.
"I suppose there is a bit more hype since the Seniors have underperformed, but it has not got to the extent where we are put under so much pressure. I think the management have done a great job to separate all that media hype and pressure from the fans away from the players. Really it's not too bad and you can deal with it."
Armagh racked up their lowest score to date when they beat Down by 1-8 to 1-5 in the Ulster decider. However both teams underperformed that day, with Down firmly making amends with a 2-16 to 2-14 All-Ireland quarter-final win over Dublin.
McVerry expected to be meeting his close neighbours and friends from the Mourne County in this weekend's decider, but says that the lads from the West showed in the All-Ireland semi-final that they are a force to be reckoned with.
"Down had a great win against Dublin and I thought that they might have beaten Mayo, but Mayo got two crucial goals in a four or five-minute period which really killed off the Down challenge. Mayo have shown that they are a good side and it is going to be a tough
game."
It's been one of the closest Minor Championships to date across the four provinces, and McVerry believes that whoever comes out on top this weekend is fully worthy of the tag of All-Ireland champions for 2009.
"The way we see it is that if you win on the day you normally deserve to do it. If we lose on Sunday there are going to be no excuses. We have to perform on the day. It's a big day - an All-Ireland final. It's going to be a very nerve wracking occasion and the best team will win on the day and that's what we are trying to do."
Two goals were the difference in both semi-finals this year, with Armagh accounting for Kerry by 2-10 to 0-10 in their semi-final, with Gavin McParland bagging two vital second half goals.
It was a big day for the Orchard County minors, with all of them lining out in Croke Park for the first time.
And on such a rare appearance at GAA headquarters McVerry was keen to soak up the atmosphere of the day.
"It was a brilliant occasion, just to drive into Croke Park the whole atmosphere and to soak it up. Then maybe we were caught up a bit in the atmosphere and in the first half we didn't really perform. Then in the second half we had two great goals from Gavin (McParland) which sort of gave us a bit of a lift and pushed us on a bit from there."
This weekend Armagh will be a lot more focussed and McVerry expects to face a well oiled Mayo outfit this weekend.
"Definitely they have good players. Mayo's free-taker Aidan Walsh at midfield is an excellent player. Their full-forward got two goals last day out, they have a lot of good players and a tight defence.
"You can't go into an All-Ireland final thinking you are going to beat a team without a tough battle. It's going to take 60 minutes, or whatever it takes to win an All-Ireland final. We know we are going to have to play for the whole lot if we are going to win."
He added, "We work really hard on the training field, and we are training great all year. So just maybe two good halves of football and maybe we will be there."
5'9"? Looks a bit more than that.
Quote from: AFS on September 17, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
5'9"? Looks a bit more than that.
Kerry said that about Donaghy when we didn't know who he was.
I remember reading a programme for the 1988 semi final saying that Mick Lyons occupation was 'healer'.
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2009, 08:00:57 PM
Quote from: AFS on September 17, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
5'9"? Looks a bit more than that.
Kerry said that about Donaghy when we didn't know who he was.
I remember reading a programme for the 1988 semi final saying that Mick Lyons occupation was 'healer'.
:D
Fair play to the Mayo lads for getting to back to back All-Ireland Finals...that is a serious achievement no matter what grade!
If anyone is around on saturday night, I see the lads over at www.clubmayo.ie (http://www.clubmayo.ie) have a bit of a shindig organised in Bewleys Hotel Ballsbridge. Bit of music, bit of food and plenty craic to kick the All-Ireland weekend off! ;) And I hear they have a few tickets being raffled off for Sunday as well!
Ah m@yoman. It wasn't so good in 1996+97. It's only good when they close out the bloody thing. Hopefully we can do it with the young ones this time round.
QuoteAnd I hear they have a few tickets being raffled off for Sunday as well!
Can Armagh people also buy tickets?
ticket sorted,good luck to armagh players and management,if nerves dont get us can see us winning by 5-6 pts ;D
Quote from: rootthemout on September 17, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
ticket sorted,good luck to armagh players and management,if nerves dont get us can see us winning by 5-6 pts ;D
Root, have a great day and make sure that you go back to the club for a few scoops to toast our fist minor AI since Jack Bratten was a pup. ;D
All the best to the lads on Sunday - looking forward to watching it on D'telly.
Armagh boys fierce cocky but apparently there team is a bit special
Quote from: stephenite on September 17, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
All the best to the lads on Sunday - looking forward to watching it on D'telly.
Armagh boys fierce cocky but apparently there team is a bit special
Sure didn't the boul Ray Dempsey himself say that Mayo were just hoping to keep up with this great side?? ;)
Quote from: stephenite on September 17, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
All the best to the lads on Sunday - looking forward to watching it on D'telly.
Armagh boys fierce cocky but apparently there team is a bit special
Do not think it is cocky. We have just had that bad a year with the seniors we are grasping at straws!
Quote from: Feckitt on September 17, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
The banquet is in the Carrickdale alright, kicking off at 9pm. The tickets are sold out at this stage.
Homecoming details
Monday September 21st
Depart Carrickdale Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Killeavy 6-10pm
Depart Killeavy 6-15pm
Through Forkhill 6-25pm
Arrive Mullaghbawn 6-35pm
Depart Mullaghbawn 6-40pm
Arrive Silverbridge 6-50pm
Depart Silverbridge 7-15pm
Through Newtown 7-30pm
Arrive Keady 7-45pm
Depart Keady 7-55pm
Arrive Ballymacnab 8-05pm
Depart Ballymacnab 8-10pm
Arrive Primates Wall 8-15pm
Arrive Athletic Grounds 8-30pm
Tuesday September 22nd
Depart Armagh City Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Annaghmore 6-35pm
Depart Annaghmore 6-45pm
Arrive Derrytrasna 7-10pm
Depart Derrrytrasna 7-25pm
Arrive Éire Óg 7-40pm
Depart Éire Óg to go to Davitt Park via Taghnevin
Arrive Davitt Park 8-00pm
Hopefully there'll be a big turn out for the boys win or lose.
Quote from: harlechman on September 18, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 17, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
The banquet is in the Carrickdale alright, kicking off at 9pm. The tickets are sold out at this stage.
Homecoming details
Monday September 21st
Depart Carrickdale Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Killeavy 6-10pm
Depart Killeavy 6-15pm
Through Forkhill 6-25pm
Arrive Mullaghbawn 6-35pm
Depart Mullaghbawn 6-40pm
Arrive Silverbridge 6-50pm
Depart Silverbridge 7-15pm
Through Newtown 7-30pm
Arrive Keady 7-45pm
Depart Keady 7-55pm
Arrive Ballymacnab 8-05pm
Depart Ballymacnab 8-10pm
Arrive Primates Wall 8-15pm
Arrive Athletic Grounds 8-30pm
Tuesday September 22nd
Depart Armagh City Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Annaghmore 6-35pm
Depart Annaghmore 6-45pm
Arrive Derrytrasna 7-10pm
Depart Derrrytrasna 7-25pm
Arrive Éire Óg 7-40pm
Depart Éire Óg to go to Davitt Park via Taghnevin
Arrive Davitt Park 8-00pm
Hopefully there'll be a big turn out for the boys win or lose.
That is unbelievable arrogance.
Hows it arrogance, merely a schedule for people to show their appreciation whether they win or lose
Best of luck to Declan & the lads on sunday
Yes, being forced to live in Dublin for the rest of their lives if they don't win would be most unfair.
Quote from: drici on September 18, 2009, 10:54:26 AM
Yes, being forced to live in Dublin for the rest of their lives if they don't win would be most unfair.
:D :D :D
Well worth giving the people of the county the chance to show their appreciation no matter what the result on Sunday (though I'm sure they'll cancell it if there's a draw).
1949
05 June Armagh 1-08 Antrim 0-08 Athletic Grounds
26 June Derry 0-04 Armagh 2-07 Magherafelt
31 July Armagh 4-06 Donegal 1-04 Clones
23 August Armagh 4-08 Sligo 0-04 Lurgan
25 September Armagh 1-07 Kerry 1-05 Croke Park
1951
24 June Armagh 1-04 Antrim 0-02 Lurgan
15 July Armagh 1-05 Donegal 0-03 Armagh
29 July Armagh 1-08 Fermanagh 1-03 Clones
09 August Armagh 3-01 Cavan 1-04 Clones
26 August Armagh 1-08 Kerry 1-08 Croke Park
23 September Armagh 2-03 Kerry 0-07 Croke Park
16 December Roscommon 2-07 Armagh 1-05 Croke Park
1957
30 June Armagh 9-09 Derry 1-02 Lurgan(Take Your Points could maybe confirm this score)
07 July Down 1-09 Armagh 3-07 Newry
14 July Armagh 1-07 Tyrone 1-03 Cavan
28 July Armagh 3-06 Donegal 0-10 Clones
11 August Armagh 3-07 Kerry 3-05 Croke Park
22 September Meath 3-09 Armagh 0-04 Croke Park
1992
07 June Armagh 1-09 Down 0-11 Athletic Grounds
28 June Armagh 3-12 Tyrone 1-08 Casement Park
19 July Armagh 0-13 Donegal 0-09 Clones
16 August Armagh 3-12 Roscommon 0-13 Croke Park (Des Mackin day)
20 September Meath 2-05 Armagh 0-10 Croke Park
got my ticket sorted last night. cant wait. good luck to the armagh lads. i'll be at davitt park tuesday night win or lose...
Quote from: lurganblue on September 18, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
got my ticket sorted last night. cant wait. good luck to the armagh lads. i'll be at davitt park tuesday night win or lose...
illdecide where you go on Tuesday night saan
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2009, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 18, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
got my ticket sorted last night. cant wait. good luck to the armagh lads. i'll be at davitt park tuesday night win or lose...
illdecide where you go on Tuesday night saan
correct big face. and ill decide if youll be on the bus on sunday!!
All the best to the young bucks on sunday. If they continue with the confidence and panache of the semi final second half we could have a long oerdue new set of all ireland medals up the road.
Mayo are a formidable outfit though and i hate to see opponents scraping through semis when we come through in style.
armagh by 1
Good Luck to all the Armagh lads on sunday!
Quote from: stew on September 17, 2009, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: rootthemout on September 17, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
ticket sorted,good luck to armagh players and management,if nerves dont get us can see us winning by 5-6 pts ;D
Root, have a great day and make sure that you go back to the club for a few scoops to toast our fist minor AI since Jack Bratten was a pup. ;D
heres hoping stew,will you get to watch it?
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on September 18, 2009, 09:20:47 AM
Quote from: harlechman on September 18, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 17, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
The banquet is in the Carrickdale alright, kicking off at 9pm. The tickets are sold out at this stage.
Homecoming details
Monday September 21st
Depart Carrickdale Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Killeavy 6-10pm
Depart Killeavy 6-15pm
Through Forkhill 6-25pm
Arrive Mullaghbawn 6-35pm
Depart Mullaghbawn 6-40pm
Arrive Silverbridge 6-50pm
Depart Silverbridge 7-15pm
Through Newtown 7-30pm
Arrive Keady 7-45pm
Depart Keady 7-55pm
Arrive Ballymacnab 8-05pm
Depart Ballymacnab 8-10pm
Arrive Primates Wall 8-15pm
Arrive Athletic Grounds 8-30pm
Tuesday September 22nd
Depart Armagh City Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Annaghmore 6-35pm
Depart Annaghmore 6-45pm
Arrive Derrytrasna 7-10pm
Depart Derrrytrasna 7-25pm
Arrive Éire Óg 7-40pm
Depart Éire Óg to go to Davitt Park via Taghnevin
Arrive Davitt Park 8-00pm
Hopefully there'll be a big turn out for the boys win or lose.
That is unbelievable arrogance.
Ya it will take 3 nights to show your appreciation all right ;), sure looks likes a win is very much expected.
QuoteQuote from: RedandGreenSniper on Today at 09:20:47 AM
Quote from: harlechman on Today at 12:30:11 AM
Quote from: Feckitt on September 17, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
The banquet is in the Carrickdale alright, kicking off at 9pm. The tickets are sold out at this stage.
Homecoming details
Monday September 21st
Depart Carrickdale Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Killeavy 6-10pm
Depart Killeavy 6-15pm
Through Forkhill 6-25pm
Arrive Mullaghbawn 6-35pm
Depart Mullaghbawn 6-40pm
Arrive Silverbridge 6-50pm
Depart Silverbridge 7-15pm
Through Newtown 7-30pm
Arrive Keady 7-45pm
Depart Keady 7-55pm
Arrive Ballymacnab 8-05pm
Depart Ballymacnab 8-10pm
Arrive Primates Wall 8-15pm
Arrive Athletic Grounds 8-30pm
Tuesday September 22nd
Depart Armagh City Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Annaghmore 6-35pm
Depart Annaghmore 6-45pm
Arrive Derrytrasna 7-10pm
Depart Derrrytrasna 7-25pm
Arrive Éire Óg 7-40pm
Depart Éire Óg to go to Davitt Park via Taghnevin
Arrive Davitt Park 8-00pm
Hopefully there'll be a big turn out for the boys win or lose.
That is unbelievable arrogance.
Ya it will take 3 nights to show your appreciation all right , sure looks likes a win is very much expected.
Shows a complete lack of respect to Mayo to be posting up details of a 3-day homecoming before the match is played.
If Ray Dempsey or any of the players need any extra motivation I hope someone show's them this thread (not that they'd give a shite what is said here :D).
Armagh are a fine team, but Mayo are in the final on merit - lest ye forget, we haven't been beaten in the Championship either this year. I'll leave it to the team to prove themselves on the pitch. Hopefully there'll be a lot of humble pie eaten in the orchard next week ;)
FFS lads, where is this being promoted as a victory tour, dunno about ye lads in Mayo but our minor teams don't get to an AI final much, and our supporters will be out to welcome the young lads home win or lose. Reflects on their achievement in getting to the final. I was more determined to go to the homecoming of our senior team in 03 than in 02, they needed the support more coming home in defeat. Get the chip off the shoulders!!!!
Mayo people have to understand that Armagh is not in the minor final every year.
QuoteHopefully there'll be a lot of humble pie eaten in the orchard next week ;)
Perhaps, but we prefer apple tart.
QuoteMayo people have to understand that Armagh is not in the minor final every year.
Quote
Hopefully there'll be a lot of humble pie eaten in the orchard next week
Perhaps, but we prefer apple tart.
Ok, maybe we're a bit touchy, but All-Ireland finals tend to get us a bit tense and irritable for some reason ;)
I was going to use the apple pie analogy but thought it was a bit OTT :D
Lads who are ye coddin, at 3 days its defo a victory celebration. If ye lose it'll be down to a one nighter of a shot.
The reaction of the Mayo lads here is hilarious. It started with Ray Dempsey's post match interview after the semi final and it's continued since, all this talk of the Armagh arrogance. No harm but it's bullshit boys. Armagh minors haven't reached a final since 1992. We're used to getting bate in the first round. This team has won the Ulster Minor League and Ulster championship - people want to show their appreciation. There'll be a big turn out win or lose. Tell me this boys - did Mayo ever organise a homecoming for any of their senior teams in advance of the All-Ireland final?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2009, 04:17:59 PM
Lads who are ye coddin, at 3 days its defo a victory celebration. If ye lose it'll be down to a one nighter of a shot.
What, do you want the bus to get around the whole county in one night? Cop on. It's two days by the way...
Quote from: harlechman on September 18, 2009, 09:45:46 PM
The reaction of the Mayo lads here is hilarious. It started with Ray Dempsey's post match interview after the semi final and it's continued since, all this talk of the Armagh arrogance. No harm but it's bullshit boys. Armagh minors haven't reached a final since 1992. We're used to getting bate in the first round. This team has won the Ulster Minor League and Ulster championship - people want to show their appreciation. There'll be a big turn out win or lose. Tell me this boys - did Mayo ever organise a homecoming for any of their senior teams in advance of the All-Ireland final?
Civil Defence might be put on standby. Anything else would be taking the eye of the ball really (I know, I know, where did it get us anyway). Sort it out Sunday and besides these things are impromtu enough affairs. I still maintain it smacks of arrogance but whatever yer having yerselves . . .
Best of Luck to the Armagh Lads on Sunday
My own thoughts ahead of Sunday. I reckon we could win the fecking thing!
http://thereisalightthatnevergoesout.wordpress.com/
adh mor to the minors sunday. 60 years is a hell of a wait
That coming home schedule is a bit crazy. No player would have the heart for all that if they lose... sounds like a win is expected alrite. Maybe shud have put up win and lose schedules..
Some shite talk from Mayo boys ::)
Homecomings from All Ireland finals are the norm, win or lose, are they not?
Schedule is a bit mad though, 5 minutes at some clubs, what are they going to do for 5 minutes? It would take 5 minutes to get on and off the bus.
tubberman
QuoteIf Ray Dempsey or any of the players need any extra motivation I hope someone show's them this thread (not that they'd give a shite what is said here :D).
:D If you're lads need to be shown a thread from the gaaboard to motivate them before an All Ireland final they're in BIG trouble!
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Some shite talk from Mayo boys ::)
Homecomings from All Ireland finals are the norm, win or lose, are they not?
Schedule is a bit mad though, 5 minutes at some clubs, what are they going to do for 5 minutes? It would take 5 minutes to get on and off the bus.
tubberman
QuoteIf Ray Dempsey or any of the players need any extra motivation I hope someone show's them this thread (not that they'd give a shite what is said here :D).
:D If you're lads need to be shown a thread from the gaaboard to motivate them before an All Ireland final they're in BIG trouble!
Homecoming ??? Is more like a two day victory tour
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?
When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
QuoteWhen do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
Mayo often know whether the nature of the celebrations by 4 O'Clock.
Do me a favour all mayo fans DRY YOUR EYES yous are so SAD
Best of Luck lads, i really feel that there is something special about this Armagh minor team...
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
Quote from: bobbiesoxer on September 19, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Do me a favour all mayo fans DRY YOUR EYES yous are so SAD
I have the hankie beside me now...
Anyway, good luck to the lads. Hard to see us winning it but you never can know. I'll be there anyway tomorrow. It's getting to the stage where I don't even look past the next game with Mayo (at all grades).
I have the feeling Mayo are gonna win this one (but then again i thought that in 2006 :P) but we should get a cracking Game football that will surely outshine the Senior Game again ;)
Anybody know what radio station is carrying the game, especially since Five FM did not have the semi-final?
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 19, 2009, 06:34:31 PM
Anybody know what radio station is carrying the game, especially since Five FM did not have the semi-final?
http://www.midwestirishradio.com/mwr/index.php
Should be on here
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
And when where the victory tours organised? The sunday night?
Best of luck to both squads tomorrow, both counties deserve an AI and it's good to see them contesting it. Hopefully it'll be a good game and i hope those of ye going enjoy the day.
Good Luck Ard Mhacha. Everyone who is heading enjoy the day tomorrow.
Quote from: ross4life on September 19, 2009, 04:45:03 PM
I have the feeling Mayo are gonna win this one (but then again i thought that in 2006 :P) but we should get a cracking Game football that will surely outshine the Senior Game again ;)
Geez, ross, here I am agreeing totally with you. ;D
Must be premature senility or something like that!
However, thanks for the good wishes and you know Mayo will get behind you when your time comes.
Best of luck to Armagh tomorrow. Really hope they can do it and I think they have every chance. They've shown character earlier in the year, particularly against Tyrone and Monaghan and they may well need to do so again tomorrow.
Ard Mhacha Abú.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
And when where the victory tours organised? The sunday night?
They certainly didn't publish the route of the victory tour three days before the match. It would not have been hard to have that ready to hit Irish News and local radio stations on Monday morning if they win. Minor match is over by 3pm. Bit of discretion would have been an idea. It looks a bit presumptious to publicise it on the Thursday :o
Best of luck to the auld neighbours for tomorrow :) should be a cracker even if it is an early start!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 20, 2009, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
And when where the victory tours organised? The sunday night?
They certainly didn't publish the route of the victory tour three days before the match. It would not have been hard to have that ready to hit Irish News and local radio stations on Monday morning if they win. Minor match is over by 3pm. Bit of discretion would have been an idea. It looks a bit presumptious to publicise it on the Thursday :o
But it's not a victory tour, it's a homecoming. It will happen win or lose.
All the best to the lads tomorrow, great to have 'bridge men right in the middle of it too.
Win or lose they've done us proud.
Whatever... good luck to them is right. At least you didn't throw it up about Michael Jackson this time :o
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 20, 2009, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 20, 2009, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: longrunsthefox on September 19, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on September 19, 2009, 10:30:44 AM
I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
And when where the victory tours organised? The sunday night?
They certainly didn't publish the route of the victory tour three days before the match. It would not have been hard to have that ready to hit Irish News and local radio stations on Monday morning if they win. Minor match is over by 3pm. Bit of discretion would have been an idea. It looks a bit presumptious to publicise it on the Thursday :o
But it's not a victory tour, it's a homecoming. It will happen win or lose.
All the best to the lads tomorrow, great to have 'bridge men right in the middle of it too.
Win or lose they've done us proud.
maybe armagh could save some time by bringing forward some of the victory celebrations to sunday morning on the way down.
any one know where mayo are going to drown their sorrows tomorrow night?
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I'm pretty sure the seniors done the same in 02 and 03, (win and lose), south of the county and city on the monday night, lurgan on the Tuesday night.
Tyrone had home commings too, I assume they didnt do the whole of tyrone in one night?When do you think these were arranged, the sunday evening at 5 oclock?
::)
They didn't do a tour of the county when they lost.. is ridiculous idea
And when where the victory tours organised? The sunday night?
They certainly didn't publish the route of the victory tour three days before the match. It would not have been hard to have that ready to hit Irish News and local radio stations on Monday morning if they win. Minor match is over by 3pm. Bit of discretion would have been an idea. It looks a bit presumptious to publicise it on the Thursday :o
But it's not a victory tour, it's a homecoming. It will happen win or lose.
All the best to the lads tomorrow, great to have 'bridge men right in the middle of it too.
Win or lose they've done us proud.
maybe armagh could save some time by bringing forward some of the victory celebrations to sunday morning on the way down.
any one know where mayo are going to drown their sorrows tomorrow night?
I guess where you usually go ;)
Bestof luck to the Armagh minors tomorrow, and especially my cousin Karl Loughran who is on the panel.
I was in Croker in '92 and it was heartbreaking to watch a good team loose.
Hopefully they will take the Tom back up to Ulster for a second year.
Armagh and Cork double will do nicely.......
Right then...early start for me - I'm off to the airport.
Travelling with no expectations today and not too much hope either, but best of luck to the lads, they have done well all year and if they have one more big game in them, you'd never know...
Don't mind who wins today. Always nice to see a trophy on AIF day heading to Ulster and the fact that Armagh knocked out Tyrone.... but also Mayo - no team has lost two consecutive finals since....Mayo in 99/00. In fact they've lost their last 5 minor finals.
First ever post on the board, and what better way to start. ;D Best of luck to the mayo minor team today!
Any links for the minor game lads?
http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=49706&part=sports
1 of these should work for ya!
All the best to our lads today - looking forward to watching the game now, the commentary as Gaelige etc.
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http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=49706&part=sports
1 of these should work for ya!
Good Man!!
If I wasnt an Armagh man I'd be shouting for Mayo. Best of luck to both teams
Quote from: mayo 4 eva on September 20, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
First ever post on the board, and what better way to start. ;D Best of luck to the mayo minor team today!
Well, pull up a seat and make yourself at home. ;)
This is indeed a fine way to begin and I'll be wishing Mayo the very same.
For far too many times, I have felt the same way only to wind up gutted but I feel this time will be different. So; may your debut on the board be a happy one.
Mayo start well everywhere, except on the scoreboard. Should be at least 5 points up.
Point to Armagh - first of the game
2 points apiece
3 3
Mayo own the ball but not scoring.
Ive got a bit of dough on Conor King to score the first goal. Cumon!
mayo throwing it into armagh well. Very poor game though.
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Ive got a bit of dough on Conor King to score the first goal. Cumon!
The game needs a goal. Preferably for Mayo.
C'mon O'Connor!
Armagh 0-4; Mayo 0-3
Two very nervy looking teams, loads of mistakes on both sides.
Rogers having a very good game at the back and Walsh doing well on Tasker, but both sets of backs doing well. Hence the low score.
Evenly matched teams, so far, but low quality.
Keep get it on stream any where. Keep the updates coming
dear god that was dreadful. Sweet jesus I hope the senior game is better. If Mayo win they won't care though. Just have a feeling they might sneak this one.
score?
5 points each
0-6;0-5 to Armagh
0-6 each
RTE stream is shite.
myp2p.eu links only show RTE 1 and I cant find a link on justin.tv.
Help required ASAP please.
Dire game
Both full back lines on top.
I think a goal will win it.
Siniciúil
You there Muppet?
Incredible how hard we have to work for a score.
No minding my 11 month old for the afternoon.
8 f*cking steps!
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Incredible how hard we have to work for a score.
No minding my 11 month old for the afternoon.
Fair enough
0-7 each by the way, for those with no links
Seems to have lit up now. Keep the updates coming
0-8; 0-7 to Armagh
Armagh making hard work of this. Some loose stuff now.
9-7. Less than a minute left. All over.
Armagh up by 3 - lasst minute - all over bar a Mayo goal
mayo lose another final...
Congrats to Armagh.
Gutted for our lads, particularly Corduff and the rest who were there last year, not nice to lose 2 All Ireland minor finals - thems the breaks
Congrats to the Armagh minors, comiserations to Mayo
Well done Armagh. Crap game but that means nothing.
Would hate to be from Mayo!
excellent ;D
Well done Armagh. Mayo deserve an all-Ireland, heartbreak after heartbreak.
Quote from: ONeill on September 20, 2009, 02:32:54 PM
Well done Armagh. Crap game but that means nothing.
Would hate to be from Mayo!
I'd hate to be from Tyrone - our day will come
Must be tough on the lads here two years in a row.
Delighted for the Amgh lads. Fantastic fiinish.
Brilliant result for the orchard lads even though they played their worst football of the year.
Our first minor in 60 years at the AI level ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done all, mayo will be back but for now the future is bright, the future is orange. ;D ;D ;D ;D
That Armagh team were unbeaten all year. An excellent group of players.
Quote from: stew on September 20, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
Brilliant result for the orchard lads even though they played their worst football of the year.
Our first minor in 60 years at the AI level ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done all, mayo will be back but for now the future is bright, the future is orange. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I believe Jack Brattan is at the game today, will bring back some memories for him I'd say
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Well done Armagh. Crap game but that means nothing.
Would hate to be from Mayo!
I'd hate to be from Tyrone - our day will come
when?
Well done Armagh.
That was a lovely move that brought Armagh 2 points clear at the end.
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Well done Armagh. Crap game but that means nothing.
Would hate to be from Mayo!
I'd hate to be from Tyrone - our day will come
when?
Do you want the lottery numbers as well?
I don't f**king know when - but it will, sure if we don't have that faith we might as well pack it all in
Well done to Armagh.
They seemed to play like a team burdened with expectation until the last 5 minute when they really showed their class. If the game had gone on longer I would have expected Armagh to win by a lot more.
From Mayo Rogers, Charlton & Durcan I thought were outstanding. My clubmate Aiden Walsh had a complete nightmare and was most unlike himself but in his defense was out of position and seemedto dislocate a finger very early on.
Congratulations to Armagh. Good to see Tommy staying in Ulster.... even if it's across the Blackwater ;)
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First ever post on the board, and what better way to start. ;D Best of luck to the mayo minor team today!
Well, pull up a seat and make yourself at home. ;)
This is indeed a fine way to begin and I'll be wishing Mayo the very same.
For far too many times, I have felt the same way only to wind up gutted but I feel this time will be different. So; may your debut on the board be a happy one.
:( :( Debut on the board didnt quite go to plan afterall!! :( Gutted for the lads esp last years players, its going to take a lot for them to get over this. As much as it kills me to say, Armagh deserved their victory today, when it mattered most in the second half they had the answers.
Better team won. Another depressing day on the hill.
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Better team won. Another depressing day on the hill.
Mayo will be back, class teams that play the game the way it should be played.
congrats to armagh- well deserved. brutal game- but finals are for winning. Heartbreak again for Mayo.
Congrats to Armagh, Charlton for Mayo was our best player, number 11 for Armagh was the best on the field. Mayos free taken was terrible, overall a very poor game,Armagh were nothing like what they were in the semi.
The worst minor final since God knows when but Armagh won't mind.
As for Mayo/WestRos ..... not a day for indulging in friendly banter :-\
Just in the door....yes, a poor minor final, but the best team won and Armagh don't give a damn tonight as to how it looked to the spectator. Well Done Armagh, many teams have tried since 1949, so credit where it is due!
Delighted to see Armagh win the cup today. Great wee team and I'm looking forward to seeing more of these lads. Great footballers.
Congratulations to all concerned.
Not long back. What can you say. I thought our lads gave it everything but came up short. We were in the game with every chance until last few minutes. I did nt think it was such a poor game. Both teams worked very hard and it was nt the usual loose minor stuff of the past.
Anyway thats 9 times in the last 15 years that I ve driven back from Croke Park after losing/drawing an AI final in September. Winning none of course.
Only Kerry have been in more finals. Unbelievable that we can consistently get to finals and never good enough to win them. But that s what happening it appears. Though I believe last years minor in hindsight was one we let slip at the end after doing nearly everything right.
Congratulations to Armagh.
Hard luck to Mayo but you have some great players there who will be have a great future at senior level.
Andrew Murnin reminds me of Troy Bolton (High School Musical).
If Andrew does not make it on the Armagh senior team, then I speculate a great career in the Opera House.
Just in there now -
I t was a great day for Armagh - brilliant to see Armagh picking up a national title again and i think these lads deserve it they have been brilliant since they drew with Monaghan in the first game of the league.
I am sure to the neutrals it wasn't a great game and i would agree - the forwards on both teams probably didnt play to their full potential. But i thought both defences were outstanding. For Armagh today our main men were Andrew Murnin, James Morgan, Niall Rowland and i thought the two corner backs were brilliant - not the men up front who were getting the headlines all year. Says a lot about the team that the men who weren't thought of were the stars of the show.
Felt sorry for Mayo, they played with a great intensity and weren't too far away, against anyone else i would have been cheering for them.
Worst game and level of skill I ever saw in an All Ireland final. Under 14s could have done better. Both sides dropped the ball, kicked it away, wide, into keepers hands all day. Dire. i'm sure armagh could care less tho... good luck to them...
Not long home. Don't care what sort of a game of football it was, Armagh are All Ireland Minor Champions & that's all that matters.
Congratulations to all involved in the Armagh Minor set up, looking forward to seeing the team in Armagh tomorrow night.
Really bad game, minor finals are about who turns up on the day and the last thing you want to do is complicate your game plan. Mayo players seemed confused about what they were trying to do...hoofing balls in around the square when the full forward seemed to be out the field. Mayo should have tried to run the ball at the Armagh defence or stick to a more conventional formation. They ended up doing neither and Armagh should have been out of sight well before the end.
We had armagh on the rack but the forwards were dire. Defences played well I thought. Another defeat coming out of from Croker as moysider said... :'( Felt like leaving as soon as it was over but stayed on for the Cork/Kerry game.
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Andrew Murnin reminds me of Troy Bolton (High School Musical).
If Andrew does not make it on the Armagh senior team, then I speculate a great career in the Opera House.
What was it Joe Brolly said.....
"He's from Lurgan? Reminds me of a young rioter from the 70's".
QuoteWe had armagh on the rack but the forwards were dire.
Armagh kicked their fair share of wides, they could have been 6 or 7 up at one stage if they had been sticking them over. Best team won all round.
Congratulations Armagh - the better team on the day and the best team all year. To win an All Ireland after 60 years is very special - enjoy the celebrations!
As for Mayo - saw this on the Sunday Tribune -
Quotebut it wouldn't be a Croke Park final in September if the insatiable Mayo urge to scratch at the scabs of the past didn't feature. As if it does their young colts any good at all.
Congratulations to Ray Dempsey and his lads. They gave everything but their talents were limited. We could have won but to have steered themselves to an All Ireland Final was an achievement in itself.
Again I'm disappointed and we are slowly turning into the freak-show of the GAA but the above quote says alot. Their is too much glorifying locally of our failures, added to contributions to books and radio programmes dragging up old memories. It is going to take a special team to push over the line. But somebody has to shout stop, enough is enough. What is gone is gone, each team should play for themselves and not with the burden of history.
Poor spectatcle but the result is all that matters
The much vaunted Armagh FF line dint really get going although Tasker showed his class in the last 5/10 mins. He seemed to be getting a lot of 'attention' from a few of the Mayo lads during the course of the game so it was nice to see he had such an influence on the result.
Mc Verry looks a class act although he had one of his quieter days
The Armagh defence was solid with Murnin dropping back to great effect.
Will be interesting to see how many of these lads make the step up to senior in the next few years as they seem to have great potential, so lets hope the new manager ( ::) ) gets them involved with the panel in some capacity
The reason negaivity is coming into the game at a younger age is because that is the game we have at senior level whether we like it or not.
Same old story.
Armagh did everything they could to give us the game by kicking those wides and we still couldn't win. Alot of poor preformances by Mayo players, big names had nightmares. Losing finals on a regular basis only trains you how to loose mentally. I'd gladly take a 15 year break from croke park and come back and win somenthing......
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Same old story.
Armagh did everything they could to give us the game by kicking those wides and we still couldn't win. Alot of poor preformances by Mayo players, big names had nightmares. Losing finals on a regular basis only trains you how to loose mentally. I'd gladly take a 15 year break from croke park and come back and win somenthing......
I dont believe those young mayo lads took the field thinking they were going to lose, although mayo people take losing harder than most (being sick to death of it), some fine young footballers there. In time a Mayo team will make that leap and win in Croke Park in a final.
Great to get the win and put the ghosts of 92 behind us once and for all. It was a scrappy game due in part to some poor wides and passes that went astray but the main reason was the covering and tackling put in by both teams. From the first minute it was clear that neither team was going to give an inch - serious pressure being put on the forwards and the backs coming out with the ball didn't get much room either. Armagh just had that bit extra up front to make for the ticker tape at the very end. To be honest as an Armagh supporter some of the joy of winning this was tinged with a bit of regret that it was a Mayo team getting beat in two finals in a row. Really feel for the players, the mentors and the supporters - it's not a nice place to be. But take heart from the fact that you continously produce very good underage sides - there is a pool of talent there that given the right coaching and managing should produce, eventually! And when the dam bursts there may be no looking back.
And so it continues, another Mayo team has lost a final. Because of our recent history in finals we probably over analyse some defeats and beat ourselves up to too much of an extent.
We left last years one behind without a doubt but this year we met a team that were better than us, yes we could have won, but unlike last year, it wasn't a case of should have won. Some of our better players didn't have great days, the forwards were very poor on the day, Fergal Durkin a notable exception. Corduff did well when he went out the field and at the back Keith Rogers had a savage game, looks like a future senior corner back in the making. The 2009 vintage were a good team (obviously since they made it all the way to the final) but they just didn't have the class of last years team and they didn't seem to have someone like Armagh's Tasker (think that's his name) to kick over the vital scores.
Well done Ray on getting them this far, I honestly believe you squeezed the most out of an honest, but reasonably limited bunch of players. The same bunch have the right attitude though and we may see a few of them playing senior in a few years but not as many as we will see from the 2008 team.
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Quote from: Orior on September 20, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Andrew Murnin reminds me of Troy Bolton (High School Musical).
If Andrew does not make it on the Armagh senior team, then I speculate a great career in the Opera House.
What was it Joe Brolly said.....
"He's from Lurgan? Reminds me of a young rioter from the 70's".
He did indeed. Was laughing when I heard that.
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Brilliant result for the orchard lads even though they played their worst football of the year.
Our first minor in 60 years at the AI level ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done all, mayo will be back but for now the future is bright, the future is orange. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I believe Jack Brattan is at the game today, will bring back some memories for him I'd say
Jack was indeed at the game. Met him in the Croke Park hotel before the game.
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Absolutely fantastic to win yesterday. The match was touch and go to be honest and I thought we were going to blow a great opportunity. With less than ten minutes of ordinary time left, I would have taken a draw. The save from young O'Reilly, with Mayo a point up, was the winning of the game in my opinion. A goal then and we would have been lost. As stated elsewhere, Andrew Murnin was man of the match although I thought Deccie McKenna was immense in the second half. Robbie Tasker's points were exeptional.
Great day for Armagh and on a parochial note, Armagh Harps. Deccie spoke very well after receiving the Cup.
That's our fifth ever All Ireland title and third since 2002. We don't have the success of others but for Armagh this represents a golden era in our history. Long may it continue!! 8)
Congratulations to all involved yesterday!
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 21, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
Jack was indeed at the game. Met him in the Croke Park hotel before the game.
Rufus, you have aged pretty quickly ;D
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Jack was indeed at the game. Met him in the Croke Park hotel before the game.
Rufus, you have aged pretty quickly ;D
Shut up you!! :D
Got a good few photos yesterday - Tony Davies from Cork - absolute gentleman - posed for a photo - also saw Brian Cody as well, but he looked so big ( :o), and remembering his interview with Marty Morrissey, I decided not to ask!
Man in Black, I hope you're right. I keep thinking it's me that has the effect on them. :-[ I was born in 1987 and Mayo last won a final in Croke Park in 1985. But it is really sickening losing again. Congrats to Armagh, don't think I said that last night. 3 minor finals this decade, lost to Down, Tyrone and Armagh... I suppose no other county fears us.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 21, 2009, 02:29:38 PM
Poor game but great result. Had Armagh scored even a fraction of the chances they created and put wide in the middle ten minutes of the second half the nerves would have disappeared and they would have shown their full potential. But fair play to them for the finish, I was worried when Mayo took the lead with seven minutes remaining. Tasker looks a super player.
PS Does anyone know if Andrew Murnin is the son of big Andy Murnin who played with Eire Og in Craigavon in the 80s, but has roots in Hilltown Co Down? Played soccer with the big man, an awful eejit altogether ;D
Yeah thats his father Tony i believe!!!! Thats two Down men who were instrumental in both your all-ireland minor victories!!!! ;) thought i would have seen you in canavans last night???? ;D
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I hear that the homecoming for Armagh is on the Sunday night at the Carrickdale. Is this right? Do the lads not get a night in Dublin? Does anyone have any idea what time they'll be getting there at. I might take the childer down.
The banquet is in the Carrickdale alright, kicking off at 9pm. The tickets are sold out at this stage.
Homecoming details
Monday September 21st
Depart Carrickdale Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Killeavy 6-10pm
Depart Killeavy 6-15pm
Through Forkhill 6-25pm
Arrive Mullaghbawn 6-35pm
Depart Mullaghbawn 6-40pm
Arrive Silverbridge 6-50pm
Depart Silverbridge 7-15pm
Through Newtown 7-30pm
Arrive Keady 7-45pm
Depart Keady 7-55pm
Arrive Ballymacnab 8-05pm
Depart Ballymacnab 8-10pm
Arrive Primates Wall 8-15pm
Arrive Athletic Grounds 8-30pm
Tuesday September 22nd
Depart Armagh City Hotel 6-00pm
Arrive Annaghmore 6-35pm
Depart Annaghmore 6-45pm
Arrive Derrytrasna 7-10pm
Depart Derrrytrasna 7-25pm
Arrive Éire Óg 7-40pm
Depart Éire Óg to go to Davitt Park via Taghnevin
Arrive Davitt Park 8-00pm
Hopefully there'll be a big turn out for the boys win or lose.
Is this still the itinerary.?
I would have thought that they would have went through Cross and Cullaville on monday night.
AS AN ASIDE was in croker with my 6 year old who thinks Stevie Mc Donnell is god on earth, anyway asked Stevie to say hello to him, what a gent he came across to my wee lad and shook his hand , had a wee chat with him and then made sure that i took a picture of the two of them.
for my kid that made a great day a truly memorable experience. credit where credit is due an absolute gent
Well i really thought Mayo would win this purely because of the less hype Around the Team this year! but it turned out to be the same old story in a All ireland final in Croke park for them ::) i was also expecting a exticing game but it turned out as bad as the two Connaught final games >:(but looking back on the 2009 Minor Grade IMO it dropped a few levels from last year sure Armagh impressed me vrs Kerry but Kerry were so poor that day & in the first 20 mins of the second half yesterday the armagh forwards kicked wides after wides hard to see many of those making the senior grade? as for Mayo, midfield was i big problem all year, cleaned out again yesterday & not enough scoring forwards 7 points in 60mins won't win All irelands
well the long wait for All ireland Minor success for Armagh is over (congrats to them) back to the drawing board for the Mayo lads
Just home from Dublin ;D
Terrible game, Murnin was MOTM, handled a savage amount of ball. Niall Rowland was very good at CHB, his distribution was brilliant. James Morgan was 'the boy with the golden hands' with 2/3 minutes to go. Delighted for Paul McShane, decent fella, and has obviously worked hard with these players.
Firstly, well done to all concerned. I've noticed a few people who said they thought Rowland was vg and we had a discussion on the car on the way home about him too, I though he was poor although I do seem to be in the minority.
Defo not the time to be delving deep into performances, there were more poor than good I thought but it's the result that counts. Morgan, McKenna, Murnin, Carragher and Tasker were the standouts for me. both corner backs had good games too. Could see the same lads McVerry & possibly Grugan making a contribution to the seniors in the years to come.
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Just home from Dublin ;D
Terrible game, Murnin was MOTM, handled a savage amount of ball. Niall Rowland was very good at CHB, his distribution was brilliant. James Morgan was 'the boy with the golden hands' with 2/3 minutes to go. Delighted for Paul McShane, decent fella, and has obviously worked hard with these players.
He didn't lick the pot for that bandit ;) Fine result and there will only be the score written down in the history books. Murnin was the standout player yesterday, young james played well, Rowland, McKenna and Robbie Tasker, I also thought Carragher put in a decent hour and is one who could make it with a bit of coaching. His final point was excellent.
Hard to believe that a bad B footballer would end up being the manager of an AI winning team(only kidding Paul, you're actually a bad senior player, therefore a better class of bad :P) Congratulations to all involved and hopefully the right men can be brought into the senior set up to take them to the top at senior
Fair play to the lads, they ground it out in old fashioned armagh style when things weren't going for them.
Thought murnin and both midfielders covered savage ground and the tackling all over the field was immense. championships are won on solid defence and so it has proved again.
Is the super sub mcalinden any relation of brian's?
Video Highlights of Armagh vs Mayo Minors All-Ireland Final 2009 (http://armaghgaa.info/forum/videos/?do=viewdetails&categoryid=1&categorytitle=armagh-videos&videoid=78&videotitle=armagh-minors-0-10-0-07-mayo-all-ireland-football)
Just back from Mullaghbawn there,unreal scenes...bbc newsline (Stephen Watson) were there filming live...The boys were absol stars, heros to many now....great boost to the county, just what the doctor ordered....
No better way to bring the curtain down on the most successful decade in the county's history than with a young team of winners, who will hopefully spur us on to even greater things over the next ten years.
Individually, Murnin, Morgan and Tasker when it came to the bit, were superb. Enormous credit must go to Paul and the backroom team for the way they changed the defensive fortunes of the team in the last month or so. To go from conceding a couple of goals a game in the earlier stages to keeping two clean sheets in the AI semi-final and final is remarkable.
I'm lead to believe that both McVerry and McParland were carrying knocks in the game yesterday, which perhaps goes some way to explain their uncharacteristically quiet performances. Certainly McVerry was carrying something as he stopped to stretch several times throughout the game. Great to see the manager having the courage to take him off and to trust McAlinden, who'd seen very little game time in the championship, and then for McAlinden to kick a brilliant lead score.
Thought the Mayo manager was right to point out that despite another AI final defeat, that you'd still rather be there than not. In terms of producing future senior players, looking at the Kerry situation, it would seem that you are much better served by consistently producing decent teams, rather than one very good one every once and a while. Lots of reasons for them to be optimistic.
Can't wait for the McKenna Cup.
Quote from: AFS on September 21, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
Lots of reasons for them to be optimistic.
Give me ONE please.
I predict that we ll be back in the AI minor final next year. That s if the current management is there. I hear he is going to U21.
Quote from: ArmaghGAAforum on September 21, 2009, 07:17:14 PM
Video Highlights of Armagh vs Mayo Minors All-Ireland Final 2009 (http://armaghgaa.info/forum/videos/?do=viewdetails&categoryid=1&categorytitle=armagh-videos&videoid=78&videotitle=armagh-minors-0-10-0-07-mayo-all-ireland-football)
I'll pass...
I don't know what it is, but I've never known a county to over achieve in terms of getting to finals as much as Mayo. I mean some of the teams we have put out in finals have been nowhere near All-Ireland standard, but they've still managed to get there. Particularly the last two senior teams in 04 and 06. The 04 team got lucky by meeting Fermanagh in the semis and the 06 team played crap all year and then were made look good by the dubs in the semi.
This year's minors were the same. A good honest hard working but limited team who (imho) over achieved massively in getting to the final. Beat a crap Galway team, a useful bunch of Rossies who couldn't shoot for shit, a poor enough Tipp team who had lost in Munster and the beaten Ulster finalists who had collectively just recovered from swine flu. And so, the same story in the final.
You can criticise our final record all day with more than enough justification, but its unbelievable how often we seem to get into them in the first place. If, someday, we put together a team that are clearly the best in the country that year, we will win another all-ireland in Croker. But none of our final teams at minor or senior in the last 15 years have been that stand-out brilliant. They've always just been decent teams who've done quite well all year without setting the place on fire.
Christ, that's a bould statement moysider! About the minor final again... Not sure if Dempsey is moving to u-21 or not. Where would Holmes be moved to?
Quote from: T O Hare on September 21, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 21, 2009, 02:29:38 PM
Poor game but great result. Had Armagh scored even a fraction of the chances they created and put wide in the middle ten minutes of the second half the nerves would have disappeared and they would have shown their full potential. But fair play to them for the finish, I was worried when Mayo took the lead with seven minutes remaining. Tasker looks a super player.
PS Does anyone know if Andrew Murnin is the son of big Andy Murnin who played with Eire Og in Craigavon in the 80s, but has roots in Hilltown Co Down? Played soccer with the big man, an awful eejit altogether ;D
Yeah thats his father Tony i believe!!!! Thats two Down men who were instrumental in both your all-ireland minor victories!!!! ;) thought i would have seen you in canavans last night???? ;D
And where was Joe Lennon from?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 21, 2009, 01:04:19 PM
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Quote from: stew on September 20, 2009, 02:38:27 PM
Brilliant result for the orchard lads even though they played their worst football of the year.
Our first minor in 60 years at the AI level ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well done all, mayo will be back but for now the future is bright, the future is orange. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I believe Jack Brattan is at the game today, will bring back some memories for him I'd say
Jack was indeed at the game. Met him in the Croke Park hotel before the game.
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Absolutely fantastic to win yesterday. The match was touch and go to be honest and I thought we were going to blow a great opportunity. With less than ten minutes of ordinary time left, I would have taken a draw. The save from young O'Reilly, with Mayo a point up, was the winning of the game in my opinion. A goal then and we would have been lost. As stated elsewhere, Andrew Murnin was man of the match although I thought Deccie McKenna was immense in the second half. Robbie Tasker's points were exeptional.
Great day for Armagh and on a parochial note, Armagh Harps. Deccie spoke very well after receiving the Cup.
That's our fifth ever All Ireland title and third since 2002. We don't have the success of others but for Armagh this represents a golden era in our history. Long may it continue!! 8)
Congratulations to all involved yesterday!
Rufus thanks for the photo of the two Harps legends, I have held one sportsman above all others in my lifetime and that man is Jack Bratten. Jack was a neighbour of mine for years and he was always a class act, my da and uncle Kevin used to tell me stories about how Jack did this and Jack did that, about his strength and class on the football field and of course about the great Armagh team of 53.
After the eyes cleared yesterday I thought of Jack bratten and what must have been rattling about his head watching our minors win the AI , he will always be a hero to me and he is and always was a gentleman in the true sense of the word.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2009, 08:30:39 PM
Christ, that's a bould statement moysider! About the minor final again... Not sure if Dempsey is moving to u-21 or not. Where would Holmes be moved to?
Why would he have to be moved anywhere? He s done his bit.
You're right stew, two legends and two gentlemen!
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Just home from Dublin ;D
Terrible game, Murnin was MOTM, handled a savage amount of ball. Niall Rowland was very good at CHB, his distribution was brilliant. James Morgan was 'the boy with the golden hands' with 2/3 minutes to go. Delighted for Paul McShane, decent fella, and has obviously worked hard with these players.
He didn't lick the pot for that bandit ;) Fine result and there will only be the score written down in the history books. Murnin was the standout player yesterday, young james played well, Rowland, McKenna and Robbie Tasker, I also thought Carragher put in a decent hour and is one who could make it with a bit of coaching. His final point was excellent.
Hard to believe that a bad B footballer would end up being the manager of an AI winning team(only kidding Paul, you're actually a bad senior player, therefore a better class of bad :P) Congratulations to all involved and hopefully the right men can be brought into the senior set up to take them to the top at senior
I thought that Carragher was Armagh's best player all year (I seen them 5/6 times), and while he had a good enough game yesterday, he tends to hold onto it too long. If he eradicates that and improves his distribution he could be a serious prospect. Hard to believe that he's still minor next year!
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Quote from: ArmaghGAAforum on September 21, 2009, 07:17:14 PM
Video Highlights of Armagh vs Mayo Minors All-Ireland Final 2009 (http://armaghgaa.info/forum/videos/?do=viewdetails&categoryid=1&categorytitle=armagh-videos&videoid=78&videotitle=armagh-minors-0-10-0-07-mayo-all-ireland-football)
I'll pass...
I don't know what it is, but I've never known a county to over achieve in terms of getting to finals as much as Mayo. I mean some of the teams we have put out in finals have been nowhere near All-Ireland standard, but they've still managed to get there. Particularly the last two senior teams in 04 and 06. The 04 team got lucky by meeting Fermanagh in the semis and the 06 team played crap all year and then were made look good by the dubs in the semi.
This year's minors were the same. A good honest hard working but limited team who (imho) over achieved massively in getting to the final. Beat a crap Galway team, a useful bunch of Rossies who couldn't shoot for shit, a poor enough Tipp team who had lost in Munster and the beaten Ulster finalists who had collectively just recovered from swine flu. And so, the same story in the final.
You can criticise our final record all day with more than enough justification, but its unbelievable how often we seem to get into them in the first place. If, someday, we put together a team that are clearly the best in the country that year, we will win another all-ireland in Croker. But none of our final teams at minor or senior in the last 15 years have been that stand-out brilliant. They've always just been decent teams who've done quite well all year without setting the place on fire.
I can see where you re coming from but I dunno. We ll always have a good minor team. A decent Mayo team can get out of Connacht easy enough but it Takes a very good Ros or Galway to do so cause they ll have beaten a good Mayo team to get out, and will give a good account of themselves after.This years were in the final on merit and in many ways performed very well all year. We conceded only an average of 9 points per game in our six matches, including only 2 goals. That took some doing. If other of our more talented teams in the past had been as well organised we might have won a few. Yesterday we were unlucky with injuries to Farrell and Aiden Walsh and we were still in it. A lack of pace in the forwards was our biggest weakness but we simply did nt have that available to us. Ciaran O Connor was carrying an injury and was clearly well off the pace as a result yesterday too. Not sure last years team was much better. A couple of big lads like Keane and Cafferkey were influential and of course O Sé was as good as 2 minors put together.
I like the way our minors have gone about things the last couple of years. Met some of the lads this evening and you have to be gutted for them. But I could nt criticise their effort yesterday. On the other hand our U21 and senior left me cold this year. And I cant see any change in our senior fortune next year so it s to the underage we have to look.
WE ve gone into finals and semi s in the past as favourites and inevitably played like a drain under the pressure. Yesterday was set up for an upset but we came up short. But I think it ll be the way we ll eventually win.
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Rufus thanks for the photo of the two Harps legends,
Quote from: Sandy Hill on September 21, 2009, 10:08:26 PM
You're right stew, two legends and two gentlemen!
Thanks very much lads for your kind words - much appreciated.
With apologies to the Mayo lads, a few other photos from yesterday.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2009, 08:30:39 PM
Christ, that's a bould statement moysider! About the minor final again... Not sure if Dempsey is moving to u-21 or not. Where would Holmes be moved to?
Bould alright Farandeelin but I reckon I wont be far wrong. This confidence is predicated on the continued presence of Dempsey continuing as manager of course. Kirby and O Connor will be there again and there are lots of good lads coming into minor next year.
With apologies for the standard of the photos, but these were taken at the top of the Rock Road, a couple of hours ago, as the team came into the City.
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Fair play. It obviously means a lot to ye. Contrast that to where I come from where pubs in the town were hoppin with United supporters watchin the Manchester derby with the minor match on the portable with the sound turned down.
Quote from: moysider on September 21, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Fair play. It obviously means a lot to ye. Contrast that to where I come from where pubs in the town were hoppin with United supporters watchin the Manchester derby with the minor match on the portable with the sound turned down.
That was only our fifth All Ireland football title, moysider, at any grade. Mayo have more Minor titles than all ours put together. Believe me, ours when averaged out over time, need to be treasured.
I hope Mayo can lift it again - I still have great memories of the fanatical support that you gave your team against Tyrone back in 2004 - it really was frenzied stuff - really left an impression on me - tops!
With that sort of passion, and the undoubted underage talent that exists, it is surely only a matter of time!
Great win yesterday for a very good team. The ard sithour made the point last night that he thought Armagh should now be considered a powerhouse of football as they are in his words the best supported team per head of population in the country and because they were the only county this decade to win a senior, minor, u21 all ireland titles and senior club all irelands and a national league. Not sure id necessarily agree with him but it has been a great decade to support Armagh. Has any other county ever won all those titles in a single decade?
Quote from: David McKeown on September 22, 2009, 12:14:52 AM
Great win yesterday for a very good team. The ard sithour made the point last night that he thought Armagh should now be considered a powerhouse of football as they are in his words the best supported team per head of population in the country and because they were the only county this decade to win a senior, minor, u21 all ireland titles and senior club all irelands and a national league. Not sure id necessarily agree with him but it has been a great decade to support Armagh. Has any other county ever won all those titles in a single decade?
Mike Frank had all that plus a Sigerson won by the time he was 21.
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Quote from: David McKeown on September 22, 2009, 12:14:52 AM
Great win yesterday for a very good team. The ard sithour made the point last night that he thought Armagh should now be considered a powerhouse of football as they are in his words the best supported team per head of population in the country and because they were the only county this decade to win a senior, minor, u21 all ireland titles and senior club all irelands and a national league. Not sure id necessarily agree with him but it has been a great decade to support Armagh. Has any other county ever won all those titles in a single decade?
Mike Frank had all that plus a Sigerson won by the time he was 21.
No doubt. A fine footballer in the right places at the right times.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 22, 2009, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 21, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Fair play. It obviously means a lot to ye. Contrast that to where I come from where pubs in the town were hoppin with United supporters watchin the Manchester derby with the minor match on the portable with the sound turned down.
That was only our fifth All Ireland football title, moysider, at any grade. Mayo have more Minor titles than all ours put together. Believe me, ours when averaged out over time, need to be treasured.
I hope Mayo can lift it again - I still have great memories of the fanatical support that you gave your team against Tyrone back in 2004 - it really was frenzied stuff - really left an impression on me - tops!
With that sort of passion, and the undoubted underage talent that exists, it is surely only a matter of time!
By the way Rufus well done yesterday to all Armagh people. Sometimes it can be difficult for me to look beyond my own disappointment. As I said to a friend yesterday, it used to be grief and pain years ago. That gave way to frustration and bitterness in the nineties, Numbness in 04/06 and finally acceptance last few years. I did nt open my mouth during either game yesterday where once Id be hoarse for a week. But at least I m still there. But it s annoying when you get back home that the local does nt have the Sunday Game on either TV. The choice was cricket or the highlights of United/City. Maybe we get what we deserve.
was disappointed with mayo yesterday, did they not learn any lessons from last yr. `You can train away all year and be fit etc but you need to make the right decisions when you are ahead in a final. Mcdonnell going for goal was stupid, should have popped it over bar. Going for the headlines, just like daniel o hara should have drove the ball into canal last yr. Its stupid things like this. It's an afraid to win mentality that mayo have unfortunately
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on September 22, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
was disappointed with mayo yesterday, did they not learn any lessons from last yr. `You can train away all year and be fit etc but you need to make the right decisions when you are ahead in a final. Mcdonnell going for goal was stupid, should have popped it over bar. Going for the headlines, just like daniel o hara should have drove the ball into canal last yr. Its stupid things like this. It's an afraid to win mentality that mayo have unfortunately
Dunno. See your point but I dunno. I know a few lads that played yesterday and there is nothing wrong with their mentality. I cant accept that Slingermann, Rodgers, Michael Walsh etc, etc are afraid to win. Yesterday was nt even a 50/50 game for us beforehand. Look at the odds. Bookies dont go to work on bikes. Our workrate gave us a chance in the game and who knows what could have happened if O Connor, Walsh and Farrell were fully fit for 60 minutes. We have to stop beatin ourselves up with this mentality label that others hung on us.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 21, 2009, 05:27:38 PM
T O'Hare, sure you owe us a big debt for giving you Blaney!
Home last night about 10.00pm (after cordon bleu cuisine in Captain Americas). Hardly fit to stand after freezing all day in the top deck of the Cusack. Had a bit of a cold to start with now I reckon I have full on swine flu.
PS If you ever bump into big andy tell him I was asking for him? Why is the young lad with St Pauls and not Eire Og?
I dont know Andy, i was just listening to what the oul boy was saying... apparently his grandfather by the same name won an all-Ireland junior title with Down in 1946!!! and i would advise you to go to Canavans soon, Brian has installed a new cooling system and the pints are unreal ;D
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on September 21, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Quote from: stew on September 21, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Rufus thanks for the photo of the two Harps legends,
Quote from: Sandy Hill on September 21, 2009, 10:08:26 PM
You're right stew, two legends and two gentlemen!
Thanks very much lads for your kind words - much appreciated.
With apologies to the Mayo lads, a few other photos from yesterday.
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No need to apologise Rufus , some good photo's there. Congrats to Armagh on their win hope ye boys enjoy it , i was there in 1992 ( i think ) when meath scored that last miinute winner so your long wait is over unfotunately ours continues. As for the match not a great one but for the armagh lads ye don't care as tony davis said the best team of the year won with Armagh playing 18 games and winning 18 as for our lads they did well to get to the final and i'd agree with dempseys comments after the match when he said that this group had probably been fighting above thier weight. i also agree with Moysider as regards getting over this afraid to win mentality
So we find ourselves back in familiar territory - another All-Ireland final loss to add to the list.
However, I don't think it's fair to throw a minor final loss into the same category as the senior final losses of recent years.
Most of these lads had never lost an All-Ireland final before (only the unfortunate guys who were there last year as well), so what happened in previous years has absolutely nothing to do with them.
They could have won (Jack McDonnell's goal chance and Aidan Walsh's missed frees and 45s), but Armagh got the crucial scores at the end and were probably the better team overall. 18 games unbeaten is a great record and congrats to all the Armagh lads.
While it's awful for all the players and management to have lost an AIF (some of them for the 2nd year in a row), we can at least be hopeful for the future. 2 AIF minor appearances in a row, 4 Connacht U-21s in a row - there is talent coming through.
Well as I said earlier had it not been ourselves playing Mayo I would have been cheering Mayo. Commiserations lads but with the amount of quality underage teams you are producing your day will come. As said before wasn't a fantastic game with Armagh just about doing enough. I remember the 92 final and rarely have I been as gutted after a game of football so it was nice to finally get one. If we can get the quality of player from the 09 team that we got from 92 we'll be back sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 22, 2009, 12:26:16 PM
So we find ourselves back in familiar territory - another All-Ireland final loss to add to the list.
However, I don't think it's fair to throw a minor final loss into the same category as the senior final losses of recent years.
Most of these lads had never lost an All-Ireland final before (only the unfortunate guys who were there last year as well), so what happened in previous years has absolutely nothing to do with them.
They could have won (Jack McDonnell's goal chance and Aidan Walsh's missed frees and 45s), but Armagh got the crucial scores at the end and were probably the better team overall. 18 games unbeaten is a great record and congrats to all the Armagh lads.
While it's awful for all the players and management to have lost an AIF (some of them for the 2nd year in a row), we can at least be hopeful for the future. 2 AIF minor appearances in a row, 4 Connacht U-21s in a row - there is talent coming through.
This mayo team completely overachieved- they did very well to reach the final and it should be looked upon accordingly.
QuoteThis mayo team completely overachieved- they did very well to reach the final and it should be looked upon accordingly.
Initially this was my reaction too.
However, what does that line mean ? Take Mayos path to the final - beat Galway easily, then played crap and used theirs years supply of luck to get a draw against Ros in the Connacht final, won the replay easily, beat Tipp easily, deservedly beat Down after waking up at half time then found themselves in an All-Ireland final without the know-how of how to break down the Armagh defence with their centre forward sweeping up
Where is the over acheivement ? If anything i'd say some of the team are thinking they underachieved - particularly 2 of the 3 key players - Aidan Walsh and Cillian O'Connor, both of whom had poor games albeit more so due to injury.
The line that they over-achieved (which i think even Ray Dempsey has used) is i think based on the perception that the team is not as good as last year and also based on the fact the at a large number of the players are underage again next year.
Mayo lads - any one else pick up on Spillanes comment that Mayo were innocent and naeive based on our inability to break down the packed Armagh defence given the way they played their centre forward as an extra defender in front of their full back line ..... and yet in 2002 & 2003 it wasn't cos of Kerrys naievety and innocence that they weren't able to breakdown the packed defence - more a case of it being "puke football". An tap-in goal missed by Brolly !
Quote from: blast05 on September 22, 2009, 02:17:09 PM
QuoteThis mayo team completely overachieved- they did very well to reach the final and it should be looked upon accordingly.
Initially this was my reaction too.
However, what does that line mean ? Take Mayos path to the final - beat Galway easily, then played crap and used theirs years supply of luck to get a draw against Ros in the Connacht final, won the replay easily, beat Tipp easily, deservedly beat Down after waking up at half time then found themselves in an All-Ireland final without the know-how of how to break down the Armagh defence with their centre forward sweeping up
Where is the over acheivement ? If anything i'd say some of the team are thinking they underachieved - particularly 2 of the 3 key players - Aidan Walsh and Cillian O'Connor, both of whom had poor games albeit more so due to injury.
The line that they over-achieved (which i think even Ray Dempsey has used) is i think based on the perception that the team is not as good as last year and also based on the fact the at a large number of the players are underage again next year.
Mayo lads - any one else pick up on Spillanes comment that Mayo were innocent and naeive based on our inability to break down the packed Armagh defence given the way they played their centre forward as an extra defender in front of their full back line ..... and yet in 2002 & 2003 it wasn't cos of Kerrys naievety and innocence that they weren't able to breakdown the packed defence - more a case of it being "puke football". An tap-in goal missed by Brolly !
But they weren't as good as last years team and were playing one of the better minor teams I've seen of late. They were up against it in my view. the northern teams are all tactically miles ahead at underage level of the other counties - just watch armaghs demolition of kerry in the semi.
How come then Indiana, if Armagh were SO great as you've labeled them that they didn't demolish us?
Time for this bullsh#t to be put to bed. Mayo didn't lose because of an inferiority complex but because they met a better team on the day. The tremendous workrate of the Mayo players all over the field kept the game alive until late on. Yes, we had chances, that if converted, might have changed the course of the game but so too did Armagh. Armagh's forward line took great scores from play to win the game. We didnt have anything to match them.
Away with all this inferiority nonsense. Redouble our efforts. Improve our structures and preparation of teams through proper Academy system as employed by the Northern teams. Learn from our mistakes and move on. As Maughan proved with the team that broke the "Tuam hoodoo" no player is responsible for the failure of teams they were not part of. We have the tradition and the talent. This defeatist nonsense al la "House of Pain" isnt doing anyone any favours. Well done Armagh. A long gap closed. Now move over. We will be back.
4 out of 5 national finals won this decade, 3 of them in Croke Park, not bad at all, changed times indeed for a county which was noted for Croke Park and final debacles, many many congrats to all involved and let's look forward to more of the same in the coming decade :)
and many commiserations to the fine footballing county of Mayo, as someone said above, it took away from it a little bit that it was Mayo, would that it were Down in the final instead..
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 22, 2009, 07:29:46 PM
Time for this bullsh#t to be put to bed. Mayo didn't lose because of an inferiority complex but because they met a better team on the day. The tremendous workrate of the Mayo players all over the field kept the game alive until late on. Yes, we had chances, that if converted, might have changed the course of the game but so too did Armagh. Armagh's forward line took great scores from play to win the game. We didnt have anything to match them.
Away with all this inferiority nonsense. Redouble our efforts. Improve our structures and preparation of teams through proper Academy system as employed by the Northern teams. Learn from our mistakes and move on. As Maughan proved with the team that broke the "Tuam hoodoo" no player is responsible for the failure of teams they were not part of. We have the tradition and the talent. This defeatist nonsense al la "House of Pain" isnt doing anyone any favours. Well done Armagh. A long gap closed. Now move over. We will be back.
Couldn't agree more.
Look at Padraig Harrington.
Look at Munster.
They always try to turn a near miss into a positive.
Pics from Minors homecoming in athletic grounds
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Well done Armagh, A few pics I took on Sunday. (Click on the forward arrow when you get into the link)
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Loads of flowers in Cork.
The eagles are good(real ones not the singing ones).
That's some size of a tree at Ardgillan Castle.
Some good shots Kerry Mike, see ya been to same places as me around the glens, got pic of same waterfall etc on my flickr photostream .....lol
Opps put in hard as pic taker sorry Mike
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Quote from: Foreverhopeful on September 22, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
was disappointed with mayo yesterday, did they not learn any lessons from last yr. `You can train away all year and be fit etc but you need to make the right decisions when you are ahead in a final. Mcdonnell going for goal was stupid, should have popped it over bar. Going for the headlines, just like daniel o hara should have drove the ball into canal last yr. Its stupid things like this. It's an afraid to win mentality that mayo have unfortunately
Dunno. See your point but I dunno. I know a few lads that played yesterday and there is nothing wrong with their mentality. I cant accept that Slingermann, Rodgers, Michael Walsh etc, etc are afraid to win. Yesterday was nt even a 50/50 game for us beforehand. Look at the odds. Bookies dont go to work on bikes. Our workrate gave us a chance in the game and who knows what could have happened if O Connor, Walsh and Farrell were fully fit for 60 minutes. We have to stop beatin ourselves up with this mentality label that others hung on us.
You're bang on, Moysider.
People who are writing our lads off would now be singing a different tune if we had managed to get a point at that crucial stage coming up to the end. We didn't manage to pull further ahead then and the opportunity was lost but if the 'experts' had been right we needn't have bothered showing up for the second half, never mind bringing it to the wire.
Fair play to Armagh; they won on merit but they had to fight all the way. It could have easily gone the other way but Armagh held the nerve and came out on top at the end. With less than 10 mins to go, it could easily have been very different.
That's life, I guess and there is nothing to be ashamed of.
We were beaten by a good side but if luck had been a bit kinder, the result could have been very different.
I'd just point out that this mentality label is more of our own making than outsiders. I don't feel any of the lads are afraid to win and the same goes for the side that played the previous year either.
There will be other days for them all and to hell with Biddy Earley and the pisreogs and all the doom and gloom stuff. :D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 23, 2009, 01:39:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2009, 12:56:38 AM
Quote from: Foreverhopeful on September 22, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
was disappointed with mayo yesterday, did they not learn any lessons from last yr. `You can train away all year and be fit etc but you need to make the right decisions when you are ahead in a final. Mcdonnell going for goal was stupid, should have popped it over bar. Going for the headlines, just like daniel o hara should have drove the ball into canal last yr. Its stupid things like this. It's an afraid to win mentality that mayo have unfortunately
Dunno. See your point but I dunno. I know a few lads that played yesterday and there is nothing wrong with their mentality. I cant accept that Slingermann, Rodgers, Michael Walsh etc, etc are afraid to win. Yesterday was nt even a 50/50 game for us beforehand. Look at the odds. Bookies dont go to work on bikes. Our workrate gave us a chance in the game and who knows what could have happened if O Connor, Walsh and Farrell were fully fit for 60 minutes. We have to stop beatin ourselves up with this mentality label that others hung on us.
You're bang on, Moysider.
People who are writing our lads off would now be singing a different tune if we had managed to get a point at that crucial stage coming up to the end. We didn't manage to pull further ahead then and the opportunity was lost but if the 'experts' had been right we needn't have bothered showing up for the second half, never mind bringing it to the wire.
Fair play to Armagh; they won on merit but they had to fight all the way. It could have easily gone the other way but Armagh held the nerve and came out on top at the end. With less than 10 mins to go, it could easily have been very different.
That's life, I guess and there is nothing to be ashamed of.
We were beaten by a good side but if luck had been a bit kinder, the result could have been very different.
I'd just point out that this mentality label is more of our own making than outsiders. I don't feel any of the lads are afraid to win and the same goes for the side that played the previous year either.
There will be other days for them all and to hell with Biddy Earley and the pisreogs and all the doom and gloom stuff. :D
We have lost 18 All Ireland finals at all grades since our last win on AIF day in 1985. it cant all be down to been second best on final day, can it?
So what is it then Gaeilgeoir? Not getting lucky breaks? ???
Quoteit cant all be down to been second best on final day, can it?
No, but sometimes it is. In this case Armagh had the best minor team for 60 years, and Mayo put it up to them for 58 minutes of the game. I wouldn't too be concerned about the minors, although the Mayo seniors have failed to put it up to Kerry on AI final day.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on September 23, 2009, 01:18:05 PM
We have lost 18 All Ireland finals at all grades since our last win on AIF day in 1985. it cant all be down to been second best on final day, can it?
You are dead right; indeed it can't. At the same time, this game has to be judged on its merits without comparisons being made with any other final. I doubt if the lads who wore the colours on Sunday were worrying about Mayo's serious tale of woe either.
To me, and I've seen Mayo falling at the final hurdle more often than is good for any man, this was a very credible performance and I give full credit to both team and manager. Like Moysider says, bookies don't go to work on bikes and they had Mayo at very long odds indeed coming into the game. All in all, they gave it a mighty shot and I'm feeling gutted for the lads and for Ray but if the blessed seniors (and that's not the adjective I'd like to use) had half as much gumption and heart as the minors, we wouldn't be blaming John Bannon or poor shot selection or the likes every time we go belly up once again.
(There; I feel a lot better now!) ;D
QuoteWe have lost 18 All Ireland finals at all grades since our last win on AIF day in 1985. it cant all be down to been second best on final day, can it?
Can someone list the 18 ......
I can think of 5 senior (89, 96, 97, 04, 06)
6 minor (91, 99, 02, 05, 08, 09)
U-21 (94, 95, 01, 04) ... with obviously 1 win in 06
So thats 1 win out of 16.
We're presumably not including junior cos there was at least 1 win stuck in there in 95 (and i think 97) .
We also not taking club cos we have something like 2 out of 6 since 1985
And also not NFL cos we have 1 out of 1 in that category from what i can recall
So 18 ??? We've a poor record so lets not exaggerate as it only serves to bring on the sympathy from other counties that galls and sickens my every fibre.
think its one win in 18 finals with a couple of draws in the mix
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 23, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
So what is it then Gaeilgeoir? Not getting lucky breaks? ???
I think I ve been to all of those lost finals and there were good reasons why we lost them all.
Some of those losses we contributed greatly to our own downfall. It is often remarked that Mayo teams overachieve by reaching so many finals. The reality is we underachieve when we get there. The natural ability of our players often get us through earlier rounds but in semies and finals where other counties push on Mayo flounder. This is where management comes in. Last 2 years Dempsey had the young fellas well set up and gave them every chance against well fancied sides. Contrast that to 99 and 05[minor] and this years U21 when we had fancied sides who went out reckless/off the cuff and were brushed aside.
Same thing has/is happening at senior as well. As well as obvious technical flaws in many of our players at this level[ which largely have not been addressed] there has been no progress in addressing the gulf between ourselves and likes of Tyrone/Kerry in terms of tactics and there is a massive gulf in the way these teams are prepare physically for late summer compared to us as well. Our fortunes should not be compromised by issues such as these which are easily rectified if the right personnel are in place.
Throw in some very questionable selections down the years and you dont need hoodoos and pisreogs or bad luck to explain our misfortune away.
I know it is easy to see this as another All-Ireland defeat for Mayo and God help us and all that stuff.
But sometimes you need to look at things in isolation. Reality is this was a team who were average in terms of ability and achieved as much as they did by dent of excellent preparation and bottle. They played a final against an Armagh team who are clearly a better footballing team but struggled at times when the going got tough on Sunday. The hope was Mayo would be able to be in the game with ten or fifteen minutes to go and then be able to kick on. Unfortunately we didn't have the ability to do so. The goal chance might have made things very different but the best team won.
The last two Mayo minor teams have outdone themselves. I'd be inclined to agree with Dempsey - take the positives out of these two years. These Mayo teams have shown immense character. It is easy for people to say 'same old story' but I think a corner has been turned with Ray Dempsey's teams. If Mayo actually get a team together that are the best team in the country, I think they'll win the All-Ireland. We couldn't always say that.
The only All Ireland Mayo deserved to win, that they didn't, was 1996.
Quote from: stephenite on September 24, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
The only All Ireland Mayo deserved to win, that they didn't, was 1996.
& you were to get pay back on Meath for that this year
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2009, 01:00:30 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 24, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
The only All Ireland Mayo deserved to win, that they didn't, was 1996.
& you were to get pay back on Meath for that this year
Different teams - different eras. Obviously would've been nice to beat them this time, but this time we didn't deserve it. Simple enough really.
Quote from: blast05 on September 23, 2009, 10:51:21 PM
Can someone list the 18 ......
I can think of 5 senior (89, 96, 97, 04, 06)
6 minor (91, 99, 02, 05, 08, 09)
U-21 (94, 95, 01, 04) ... with obviously 1 win in 06
So thats 1 win out of 16.
Mayo lost 2000 minor final and did not feature in 2002. Think the 2 finals to add up to 18 are the replayed senior in 1996 and minor last year, giving us in boxing terms a 1-15-2 record. :(
i wasn't around when ye won the 2006 u21 all ireland (was on holidays) but how did you celebrate it?
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2009, 01:30:33 AM
i wasn't around when ye won the 2006 u21 all ireland (was on holidays) but how did you celebrate it?
How did we celebrate it ??? Ohh we went stone mad. We reckoned we were made. This team was gonna be the future of Mayo football. So tell me how did ye celebrate your minor win in 2006.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 24, 2009, 02:22:42 AM
Quote from: ross4life on September 24, 2009, 01:30:33 AM
i wasn't around when ye won the 2006 u21 all ireland (was on holidays) but how did you celebrate it?
How did we celebrate it ??? Ohh we went stone mad. We reckoned we were made. This team was gonna be the future of Mayo football. So tell me how did ye celebrate your minor win in 2006.
:D
QuoteMayo lost 2000 minor final and did not feature in 2002. Think the 2 finals to add up to 18 are the replayed senior in 1996 and minor last year, giving us in boxing terms a 1-15-2 record.
'95 U-21 final went to a replay against Kerry so are we talking 19 ?
McStays line was 1 win from 18 finals. Lets just call it 1 from 16.
You sure about the minors being 2000 instead of 2002 ? So we lost consecutive minor finals in 99 (Jmaes Gill, Gavin Duffy, etc) and 2000 ?
QuoteYou sure about the minors being 2000 instead of 2002 ? So we lost consecutive minor finals in 99 (Jmaes Gill, Gavin Duffy, etc) and 2000 ?
Yeah, was definitely back to back in 99 and 00, Alan Dillon played in both.
Quote from: stephenite on September 24, 2009, 12:30:43 AM
The only All Ireland Mayo deserved to win, that they didn't, was 1996.
I have to agree with you there. When all the hard luck stories have been examined, I don't think that we were beaten by bad reffing or divine intervention in any of the others. I imagine that if one was to analyse each final we lost, it would be fair to say we were second best in each case.
The minors this year put up a mighty show but, like the side last year, they were beaten by a better side from the North. Last year Tyrone stood out all the way and this year Armagh and Down were being tipped right from the start. All counties up north seem to have their schools of excellence or whatever they are called in place and the results are beginning to show.
Well, we should take some heed as to what the Northern counties are doing then. Is there a football school of excellence in Mayo? Tommy Lyons mentioned it on RTE one day.
Quote from: blast05 on September 23, 2009, 10:51:21 PM
QuoteWe have lost 18 All Ireland finals at all grades since our last win on AIF day in 1985. it cant all be down to been second best on final day, can it?
Can someone list the 18 ......
I can think of 5 senior (89, 96, 97, 04, 06)
6 minor (91, 99, 02, 05, 08, 09)
U-21 (94, 95, 01, 04) ... with obviously 1 win in 06
Still a good achievement to reach all those finals but it's an amazing stat alright. Galway have only reached 10 finals in the same time period although we've won 6 of them (still left a couple of them behind us).
3 senior (98, 00, 01)
3 minor (86, 94, 07)
4 U-21 (89, 92, 02, 05)
michael walsh was impressive, even if his man scored 3 pts. Tasker is awesome player. charlton was v. good. I know there is alot who werent afraid to win but when we went 1 pt up we missed 1-3 in 5 mins. Thats why we lose so many all-irelands.
In fairness dempsey pushed this team to the absolute limits of their abilites. There wasnt too many star players but he got alot out of everyone. Its a shame corduff carrying a stone too much beef, showed he can mix in midfield but is too heavy. There something about mcdermott at no.6 that impresses me.
sclingermann is great prospect as well as rodgers. Cillian o connor is good but not great (Yet). He was carrying injury but i wouldnt put too much pressure on the lad. He still very young.
QuoteThere something about mcdermott at no.6 that impresses me.
Yes, was thinking that too ...... he was the one guy i would pick out above all others.
Schlingerman i feel is too small.
Quote from: blast05 on September 24, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
QuoteThere something about mcdermott at no.6 that impresses me.
Yes, was thinking that too ...... he was the one guy i would pick out above all others.
Schlingerman i feel is too small.
+1
Strange how go 10 years without a convincing full back but we have 3 minor teams in 4 years that had well above average full backs for that grade.
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2009, 11:03:54 PM
Same thing has/is happening at senior as well. As well as obvious technical flaws in many of our players at this level[ which largely have not been addressed] there has been no progress in addressing the gulf between ourselves and likes of Tyrone/Kerry in terms of tactics and there is a massive gulf in the way these teams are prepare physically for late summer compared to us as well. Our fortunes should not be compromised by issues such as these which are easily rectified if the right personnel are in place.
This was something myself and a few friends discussed after the minor final, how often have Mayo teams of all levels in recent times have been let down by poor execution of basic skills in pressurised match situations. We have a School of Excellence, but I don't think it's template has changed since it's inception, the same coaches running the same programme year after year. I think methods of coaching across the board in Mayo focus too much on individual skill and flair (nice football) and not enough on execution of basic skills ie accurate hand/fist/kick passing off both hands/feet at speed, team ethic and support play and player physical development. These are areas that should not be the remit of a county manager, these need to be coached at club and schools level. We see now a review of football getting started in Galway to develop a blueprint for the future, Mayo needs a similar project, the development of a football template and coaching system that can be applied to all teams at all levels that combines and develops the good and strongest aspects of Mayo football with a strong foundation of excellent basic skill execution, team support play and physical conditioning. I won't hold my breath waiting for it though!
mcdermott seems like a natural no.6, mayo dont have one at the mo. I reckon t howley would make a great no. 10