McCarthy admits he does not have backing of Cork hurlers

[Reillers]

The strikers have asked the clubs to propose a motion of no confidence in Gerald Mc Carthy.   


There has already been a vote of confidence taken in him a ago.


Colm O'Rourke says that Gerald, Frank and some players will have to go on order to resolve this - he doesn't specify the number of players.

A vote was taken when the clubs weren't represented.
How many times does it have to be said.
But no, for you, it's like you're trying to jusitfy a fixed election.
And apparently the players got a massive standing ovation at the start.

[orangeman]

Do you think that Mc Carthy will get sacked this week ?

The clubs might decide to have a vote of no confidence in the 2008 panel and the management team, thereby ending the saga.

[orangeman]

THE 2008 Cork hurlers last night rubbished suggestions that they would play for manager Gerald McCarthy again if he replaced his three selectors.

Media reports yesterday indicated a sensational U-turn on behalf of the striking players with local papers stating they had confirmation that the squad would return to duty under McCarthy -- providing backroom changes were made.

And they suggested that the misrepresentation could have been made to take the steam out of tonight's meeting with club chairmen where they intend to outline their difficulties with the county board.

"It's people cynically trying to take advantage of the talks which we went into in very good faith," said Donal Og Cusack.

Midfielder Tom Kenny added: "It's all total rubbish. And it was all taken out of context. Nine of our players met with GAA officials on Thursday night and all sorts of ideas were thrown out. The notion of having five selectors, including two new ones, was put out but that was rejected.

"Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

The players then woke up to yesterday morning's headlines suggesting they would play for McCarthy again. This caused a lot of confusion at their training session when hurlers who hadn't been at the meeting demanded to know what was going on.

"We confirmed to the rest of the panel that we would not go back under Gerald," Kenny added. "The bottom line is that we had not been speaking to anyone since the meeting with the GAA.

"It was crazy for anyone to suggest we would go back under Gerald having steadfastly refused to do so in the past few months. We told the panel of the ideas that had been thrown around and certainly we told them that we had thought about the GAA's idea of new selectors but we were never going to agree to anything without full consultation.

"The bottom line is that someone at local level misrepresented us. And we feel that they did it to take the attention off our meeting with the club chairmen tonight. We still feel we'll have a healthy turn-out at that meeting and it could be beneficial to us. But there could be other forces trying to take the wind out of our sails."

A county board spokesperson last night categorically denied they were involved in creating the suggestion that the players were ready to come back.

[orangeman]

Why can this not be further pursued ?
Quote from Tom Kenny :

Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

[Reillers]

Do you think that Mc Carthy will get sacked this week ?

The clubs might decide to have a vote of no confidence in the 2008 panel and the management team, thereby ending the saga.

I gurantee ya that the CB execs, FM and Co, are going through the rule book trying to find something illegal about the motions to stop them getting to the floor. Trying to find a way to squeem out of all of this.
And I don't even know if the Club reps will do the right thing, I wouldn't trust half of them as far as I could throw them. Some are decent GAA men, but others..too busy trying to please FM.

Hopefully though, fingers crossed the clubs will do the right thing.

[Reillers]

Why can this not be further pursued ?Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

Why don't you actually read it.
They said they'd consider it..after the CB's disgraceful PR play they wont think about it again.

[orangeman]

Why can this not be further pursued ?Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

Why don't you actually read it.
They said they'd consider it..after the CB's disgraceful PR play they wont think about it again.

It says thay the meeting ended with " nothing firmed up or agreed". So if the 2008 panel were happy with a new coach, new selectors with Mc Carthy as part of the package, why not pursue it ? The alternatives look grim with the footballers possibly coming in.

[imtommygunn]

They wanted to know that everyone else agreed to it. Not all of the 30 man panel were at the meeting. Capiche?

[orangeman]

They wanted to know that everyone else agreed to it. Not all of the 30 man panel were at the meeting. Capiche?

That's why you have shop stewards.

[Zulu]

Roving reporter Aoife Kavanagh reports an attendance of 300 + at tonight's meeting, a sign she says of growing support for the strikers.

Tuesday night's CB meeting will be interesting.

Interestingly, it was confirmed by a players representative that some of the players HAD in fact considered favourably the idea of replacing Mc Carthy's selectors whilst keeping Mc Carthy as manager.

Where did you hear this? As far as I know the players came out and categorically denied the ever said this.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

So in fact they didn't look favourably on it, rather they indicated they'd be willing to put this option to the rest of the panel. The players won't play for Gerald full stop, so you may as well accept that OM, no solution that involves him staying will be accepted by the players.

[orangeman]

And why would Kenny say that "we certainly did agree that this was a possible avenue" instead of dismissing it out of hand ?.

Abd when will the 2008 panel realise that Mc Carthy looks like he has dug in for the long haul ?

[Reillers]

Apparently the players got massive, massive backing from the clubs, and apparently they, some of the clubs, laid into FM and the CB like there was no tomorrow.
They got a standing ovation at the start and end of the meeting.
Apparently the clubs are fully behind the players.
All but one backed the players fully.
Clubs asked to hold SGMs and further meeting next Sunday, I think.
Apparently there was over 400 at the meeting.

People are disgusted a the lack of democracy shown by the CB.

The clubs are apparently fully behind the players.

Hopefully now it's over for Frank and his minions. But I wont get my hopes up yet. The clubs delegates could still do what FM wants them to do at the CB meeting or FM could probably squirm his way out of this going microscopically through the rule book.

One thing can be said about all of this, the players have left themselves open for any questions from anyone at the press conference, at the meeting just held..etc. The same cannot be said for the CB execs and Gerald.

Curtesy of Dakid-RebelGaa.

[The GAA]

Why can this not be further pursued ?
Quote from Tom Kenny :

Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

Digging up Christy ring and having him coach is also a possible avenue. i'd say if you put it to the panel they'd turn it down though.
Are you seriously letting on you can't understand that point?

[orangeman]

You've used "apparently" quite a few times.

Was there only one club that opposed the 2008 panel ?? Only one club ?


In your post, you said that the clubs laid into FM and the CB like there was no tomorrow - therefore no mention of Gerald -


If the feelings are so strong against FM and the CB, why simply look for a vote of no confidence against Gerald without referring to FM and the CB as well ?

Surely this is where the players argument falls down ? The clubs will not shaft Gerald - I can see them shafting FM and the CB, but not Gerald.

[orangeman]

Why can this not be further pursued ?
Quote from Tom Kenny :

Our lads repeatedly stated that they don't want to play under Gerald. Then, as the meeting went on, both sides had more ideas and they were put forward. The GAA suggested that a new coach would be brought in with an entirely new team of selectors under Gerald.

"We certainly did agree that it was a possible avenue but we had to go back and put it to our 30-man panel. But the GAA wanted their entire proposal document accepted by us and we couldn't do that. So everything was thrown out and we left the meeting with nothing firmed up or agreed."

Digging up Christy ring and having him coach is also a possible avenue. i'd say if you put it to the panel they'd turn it down though.#


Are you seriously letting on you can't understand that point?

No it's not - simply ridiculous. It's worse your getting.