MPs unite to fight law that will make abortions available in Northern Ireland

[Baile Brigín 2]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

So actually not......contraception is not abortion.

The question should be did abortion rise when it was made legal in the South?

There is no link between contraception and unwanted pregnancies?

No, it fell.

[Baile Brigín 2]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

On the contrary you want to deny the right to life... all other rights come after this most basic human right.

Spare me that hysterical bullshit. That paucity of argument is partially why abortion is now legal across the land.

So your telling me people dont like facts and logic when its put to them...you could be right Brexit etc

BTW Its legal because it was forced in by the British government

What facts? You offered an opinion, one with no legal or medical basis.

Abortion is now legal because Stormont wasn't there to enact what a court found to be a fundamental breach of human rights, so you got British law. One way or another it was happening.

[omaghjoe]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

On the contrary you want to deny the right to life... all other rights come after this most basic human right.

Spare me that hysterical bullshit. That paucity of argument is partially why abortion is now legal across the land.

So your telling me people dont like facts and logic when its put to them...you could be right Brexit etc

BTW Its legal because it was forced in by the British government

What facts? You offered an opinion, one with no legal or medical basis.

Abortion is now legal because Stormont wasn't there to enact what a court found to be a fundamental breach of human rights, so you got British law. One way or another it was happening.

Biological Fact: Human life begins at conception
Logic1: Human Rights would be extended to humans
Logic2: First Human right would be the right to life as without life all no other rights can be applied.

Glad you can at least see that the British forced this law upon the people youd surely be opposed to that.

[omaghjoe]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

So actually not......contraception is not abortion.

The question should be did abortion rise when it was made legal in the South?

There is no link between contraception and unwanted pregnancies?

No, it fell.

Abortion and Contraception are 2 separate issues

Abortion fell in the Free State when it was made legal? You've got before and after stats obviously?

[Baile Brigín 2]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

So actually not......contraception is not abortion.

The question should be did abortion rise when it was made legal in the South?

There is no link between contraception and unwanted pregnancies?

No, it fell.

Abortion and Contraception are 2 separate issues

Abortion fell in the Free State when it was made legal? You've got before and after stats obviously?

They fundamentally are not. Same people opposed them too. Which is odd considering the church allowed abortion and even claim one of St Brigids miracles was performing one.

[Eamonnca1]

Someone in my family was pregnant last year. A few months in, they found fetal abnormalities and it was certain that if this pregnancy went to full term the child would have been stillborn. They had to terminate the pregnancy. On Christmas Day.

She's pregnant again and they're expecting in the next few months. I hope it all goes well for them.

This is a horrible situation for anyone to be in. Nobody takes this kind of decision lightly, and the only people qualified to make it are the people in the situation.

A lot of the people pontificating on this thread should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

[Eamonnca1]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

[omaghjoe]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

[omaghjoe]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

So actually not......contraception is not abortion.

The question should be did abortion rise when it was made legal in the South?

There is no link between contraception and unwanted pregnancies?

No, it fell.

Abortion and Contraception are 2 separate issues

Abortion fell in the Free State when it was made legal? You've got before and after stats obviously?

They fundamentally are not. Same people opposed them too. Which is odd considering the church allowed abortion and even claim one of St Brigids miracles was performing one.

They fundamentaly are different..... one deals with preventing life the other deals with ending it.

[Eamonnca1]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

So our family member should have been forced to carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth to a dead baby? Because you know more about her situation than she does?

[Eamonnca1]

This thread is pointless. Lock it up, mods.

[Baile Brigín 2]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

lucky nobody believes a foetus to be 'human life'.

We did all this last year. You lost resoundingly.

[Baile Brigín 2]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

So our family member should have been forced to carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth to a dead baby? Because you know more about her situation than she does?

No, of course not. She should have gotten on a plane to keep the hypocrisy up. The pressure valve of outsourcing to godless England available but lets not deal with it ourselves

[omaghjoe]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

So our family member should have been forced to carry the pregnancy to full term and give birth to a dead baby? Because you know more about her situation than she does?

I'm hardly likely to be drawn in to comment on anyone's personal situation when i know sfa about it. I also would never bring any family members situation on to the internet because you never know what will be said

The comment was related to abortion on demand not medical emergencies.

[omaghjoe]

If someone needs a blood transfusion or organ transplant and you are the only person that is fit to donate, you have to be willing to donate. No doctor has the right to forcibly stick a needle in you or cut you open against your will even if it's to save another life. It is your body, your choice. This is the principle of bodily autonomy. It is not negotiable.

Im with you Eamonn.. no doctor should have the right to end a human life

lucky nobody believes a foetus to be 'human life'.

We did all this last year. You lost resoundingly.

If anyone believes that a foetus is not a human life, there is a lot of unscientific information going around the South