Love Ulster II - The Maddening

[ziggysego]

Jesus he was a complete dose tonight on the news. He made a real fool of himself, trying to defend his friendship with Bill Wright.

The interview is now up on the RTE website

http://www.rte.ie/news/6news/

[Square Ball]

Willie Frazer
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Willie Frazer is the founder and leader of the Northern Irish pressure group Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (FAIR). He is also one of the leaders of the Love Ulster campaign.

William Frazer grew up in the village of Whitecross, County Armagh, in Northern Ireland. The area is mostly Catholic and young William attended the local Catholic school. His father, James, was a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment and was shot dead by the Provisional Irish Republican Army on the 30th August 1975. In the next ten years four members of Frazer's family were killed by the IRA. Two of them were civilians.

FAIR claims to represent the victims of IRA violence in South Armagh. But it has been criticised for not doing the same for victims of loyalist paramilitary organisations. Indeed, in the past, Frazer had said of loyalist paramilitary prisoners that "They should never have been locked up in the first place", and that he had "a lot of time for Billy Wright."[1] Frazer, a member of the Orange Order and of the Apprentice Boys, has defended security force collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. "He applied for a weapon for his personal protection and was turned down in 2003 because, according to police, of "reliable intelligence" that he "associated with loyalist terrorist organisations". He denied it and sought a judicial review - it was refused in 2004." [2] In January 2007 Frazer dismissed Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan's report into security force collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. [3]

Frazer is also involved in local elections in South Armagh, though he has never been elected. He ran as an Ulster Independence Movement candidate in the 1996 Forum Elections, the 1998 Assembly elections and as an independent in the 2003 Assembly elections as well as a council by-election. His best poll was of 1,427, 26%, in the Fews DEA by-election in August 2006.

Frazer came to wider attention in October 2005 when he got into a public argument with Catholic Redemptorist Priest Father Alec Reid. Frazer made remarks that Catholics had butchered protestants during the troubles. Father Reid likened Unionist treatment of catholics to the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis. Reid later apologised for the remark, saying he had lost his temper. Frazer reported Reid to the police for incitement of hatred. [4].

Frazer was an organiser of the Love Ulster parade in Dublin that had to be cancelled due to rioting. In January 2007, Frazer protested outside the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis in Dublin that voted to join policing structures in Northern Ireland. He "expressed outrage at the idea that the 'law-abiding population' would negotiate with terrorists to get them to support democracy, law and order." [5]

[Tankie]

I wish we could tell this lad to f**k off and march off a cliff but i get the impression that is what he is looking for. March away buddy. as i've said tho it pisses me off to see tax payers wasted tho on security for this crap.

[Long time dead]

why should they be allowed to march

Do you really need someone to answer this?

f**k me what a stupid statement

You said it horse.

Yes please answer me, can't wait to hear it.

Are you going to answer?

[pintsofguinness]

seanie even when I agree with you you're an awful p***k.

[Long time dead]

Why do prods insist on marching where they are clearly not wanted 

To show who's boss!

[Galwaybhoy]

Willie Frazer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Willie Frazer is the founder and leader of the Northern Irish pressure group Families Acting for Innocent Relatives (FAIR). He is also one of the leaders of the Love Ulster campaign.

William Frazer grew up in the village of Whitecross, County Armagh, in Northern Ireland. The area is mostly Catholic and young William attended the local Catholic school. His father, James, was a member of the Ulster Defence Regiment and was shot dead by the Provisional Irish Republican Army on the 30th August 1975. In the next ten years four members of Frazer's family were killed by the IRA. Two of them were civilians.

FAIR claims to represent the victims of IRA violence in South Armagh. But it has been criticised for not doing the same for victims of loyalist paramilitary organisations. Indeed, in the past, Frazer had said of loyalist paramilitary prisoners that "They should never have been locked up in the first place", and that he had "a lot of time for Billy Wright."[1] Frazer, a member of the Orange Order and of the Apprentice Boys, has defended security force collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. "He applied for a weapon for his personal protection and was turned down in 2003 because, according to police, of "reliable intelligence" that he "associated with loyalist terrorist organisations". He denied it and sought a judicial review - it was refused in 2004." [2] In January 2007 Frazer dismissed Police Ombudsman Nuala O'Loan's report into security force collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. [3]

Frazer is also involved in local elections in South Armagh, though he has never been elected. He ran as an Ulster Independence Movement candidate in the 1996 Forum Elections, the 1998 Assembly elections and as an independent in the 2003 Assembly elections as well as a council by-election. His best poll was of 1,427, 26%, in the Fews DEA by-election in August 2006.

Frazer came to wider attention in October 2005 when he got into a public argument with Catholic Redemptorist Priest Father Alec Reid. Frazer made remarks that Catholics had butchered protestants during the troubles. Father Reid likened Unionist treatment of catholics to the treatment of the Jews by the Nazis. Reid later apologised for the remark, saying he had lost his temper. Frazer reported Reid to the police for incitement of hatred. [4].

Frazer was an organiser of the Love Ulster parade in Dublin that had to be cancelled due to rioting. In January 2007, Frazer protested outside the Sinn Fein Ard Fheis in Dublin that voted to join policing structures in Northern Ireland. He "expressed outrage at the idea that the 'law-abiding population' would negotiate with terrorists to get them to support democracy, law and order." [5]

Thats brilliant, he makes the comment that Catholics had butchered Protestants and then has the cheek to report Fr. Reid to police for incitement of hatred for Fr. Reids comment.  WHAT A p***k.

[nifan]

Why do prods insist on marching where they are clearly not wanted 

prods dont - some people who are prods do

[Fiodoir Ard Mhacha]

Why did Willie Frazer feel the need to bring a Loyalist colour party with him last year on his 'march for the bereaved' - if he seriously wants to remember the victims of the 'Troubles' (on both sides), let him organise a cross the divide, and therefore totally non-sectarian, commemoration rally of some kind.


Not an excuse to stir up trouble by bringing a blood and thunder outfit to Dublin like he did in 2006.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Why did Willie Frazer feel the need to bring a Loyalist colour party with him last year on his 'march for the bereaved' - if he seriously wants to remember the victims of the 'Troubles' (on both sides), let him organise a cross the divide, and therefore totally non-sectarian, commemoration rally of some kind.


Not an excuse to stir up trouble by bringing a blood and thunder outfit to Dublin like he did in 2006.

Agreed FAM, I would say let them march if they did so with a victims group from the Nationalist side. No bands etc... just a cross community march for ALL victims of the "troubles".  Can't see the bitter wee fcuker liking that one though!

[SammyG]

Why did Willie Frazer feel the need to bring a Loyalist colour party with him last year on his 'march for the bereaved' - if he seriously wants to remember the victims of the 'Troubles' (on both sides), let him organise a cross the divide, and therefore totally non-sectarian, commemoration rally of some kind.


Not an excuse to stir up trouble by bringing a blood and thunder outfit to Dublin like he did in 2006.

Agreed FAM, I would say let them march if they did so with a victims group from the Nationalist side. No bands etc... just a cross community march for ALL victims of the "troubles".  Can't see the bitter wee fcuker liking that one though!

Unfortunately in Frasers world there are no victims on the Nationalist side. While it's impossible to imagine what he's been through, he is still a seriously fcuked up individual. The only bright side is that his brand of nonsense was rejected, completely, by the electorate at the last election.

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Why did Willie Frazer feel the need to bring a Loyalist colour party with him last year on his 'march for the bereaved' - if he seriously wants to remember the victims of the 'Troubles' (on both sides), let him organise a cross the divide, and therefore totally non-sectarian, commemoration rally of some kind.


Not an excuse to stir up trouble by bringing a blood and thunder outfit to Dublin like he did in 2006.

Agreed FAM, I would say let them march if they did so with a victims group from the Nationalist side. No bands etc... just a cross community march for ALL victims of the "troubles".  Can't see the bitter wee fcuker liking that one though!

Unfortunately in Frasers world there are no victims on the Nationalist side. While it's impossible to imagine what he's been through, he is still a seriously fcuked up individual. The only bright side is that his brand of nonsense was rejected, completely, by the electorate at the last election.

True Sammy, but is there no-one in the unionist community who can put manners on this eejit? He's an embarassment.

[An Fear Rua]

True Sammy, but is there no-one in the unionist community who can put manners on this eejit? He's an embarassment.

there are plenty who could, the question is how many want to?

Id say there are a few "elected members" who would love to be at the front of the march butchers apron in hand, but cant/wont becasue it wouldnt look right etc.

[Hardy]

As FAM and GDA suggest, surely it's not beyond the wit of the Garda authorities ... hmmmm ... OK, say the Department of Justice to turn Willie's attempted propaganda coup around and expose him for what he is.

Something along the lines of "in this time of peace and reconciliation, the government wholeheartedly endorses the proposal to hold a commemoration for victims of the Troubles. We commend FAIR for bringing forward this proposal and we now propose to adopt their suggestion and conduct an annual Commemoration of Victims. This commemoration will be funded and run by the Dept. of <whatever> and representatives of all victims' groups will be invited to participate." Then it can go on to lay down the ground rules – no partisan flags, political trappings, paramilitary connotations, etc. Then it can go ahead only if all sides sign up, or a way can be found to bury it if it transpires that FAIR/Love "Ulster" are the only takers.

[Long time dead]

why should they be allowed to march

Do you really need someone to answer this?

f**k me what a stupid statement

You said it horse.

Yes please answer me, can't wait to hear it.

Are you going to answer?

Any chance of answering this, or were you clearly talking shite?