Sam Maguire permutations

Started by seafoid, April 11, 2023, 09:40:18 PM

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Derryman forever

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So who are the other two  best teams?
Galway?
Hmm no, armagh beat galway and monaghan beat Armagh.
Mayo?
Hmm no, Cork beat Mayo and Derry beat Cork.


seafoid

Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

markl121

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?
Well galway certainly won't be

Derryman forever

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?

seafoid

Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.

Derryman forever

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.

You are certainly suggesting they don't have a right to be there.
What standard? In which games of a few weeks ago?

A galway supporter has no right to be pointing a disapproving finger at a team with a defensive strategy, and a mayo supporter should be envying a team with a defensive strategy.

imtommygunn

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Were Mayo or Tyrone? Also that point has no relevance to whether the best teams are represented in the last four.

restorepride

Last 4 standing are the top 4. Simple as. Everything else is just jealousy. What integrity does an RTÉ podcast have? How much is Enda McGinley getting paid? He has been writing off Derry for months but not his own county for some editorial reason?!! RTÉ has a clear agenda and it doesn't include certain counties.

onefineday

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.
Go on then, which matches will they not be up to the standard of?
Which pairings would you like to see at AISF stage?

seafoid

Quote from: onefineday on July 05, 2023, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.
Go on then, which matches will they not be up to the standard of?
Which pairings would you like to see at AISF stage?
Any competitive match in the round robins. The semi finals will not be competitive.   

Armagh18

Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.
Who are better than Derry and Monaghan? Mayo, Galway, Armagh, Tyrone? Don't think you could say any of those teams are definitively better than either, clearly not much between Armagh and Galway or Monaghan or Derry,  Mayo and Tyrone had their chance against the top 2 and were beat out the gate. Let's see how Monaghan and Derry do next week, hopefully give Dublin and Kerry closer games than the 2 quarter finals anyway.

Derryman forever

Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2023, 05:24:50 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 05, 2023, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.
Go on then, which matches will they not be up to the standard of?
Which pairings would you like to see at AISF stage?
Any competitive match in the round robins. The semi finals will not be competitive.

Its quite clear that, anti Ulster bias and jealousy are dripping of your every word.
Be specific, which counties have more right to be there than Monaghan and Derry? What round Robin games do you deem to be better than two games which have not been played yet?

onefineday

Quote from: seafoid on July 05, 2023, 05:24:50 AM
Quote from: onefineday on July 05, 2023, 12:34:00 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 04, 2023, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 04, 2023, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 04, 2023, 07:33:35 PM
The RTE podcast asked if the best teams were represented in the last 4 and they aren't. Instead there is a procession for Kerry and Dublin.
It was a mistake to run 3 weekends in a row. The competition suffered.

What a load of nonsense.
So are Derry and Monaghan going to be there in the 69th minute looking for a winner ?

Whatever the gap between Derry , Monaghan and Dublin , Kerry. It is a long way closer than the gap to any of the other 28 counties. Because Derry and Monaghan have earned the right to be there.

So, seeing as you are convinced, Derry and Monaghan do not have the right to be there , tell us which two other teams you believe should be ?
Who said they don't have a right to be there? they played by the rules. I don't think the matches will be up to the standard of a few weeks ago. That is a pity.
Go on then, which matches will they not be up to the standard of?
Which pairings would you like to see at AISF stage?
Any competitive match in the round robins. The semi finals will not be competitive.
That remains to be seen, I think most Derry supporters aren't as pessimistic about what's in front of them as you seem to be, and having watched Dublin quite a bit this year, I remain unconvinced.
That said, if Kerry and Dublin have the same facile victories they've had in their last 2 games, is there anybody out there who would have been better able to make the games competitive?

trueblue1234

Seafoid, no harm you are talking nonsense. The last 4 are the last 4. Going on the performances, I don't think you could make a strong case for any other county being there instead. Galway, dropped away and were extremely disappointing, Mayo not at the races, same for Tyrone. Armagh ran Monaghan close, but I think that's more to do with Monaghan being below the standard of the other 3. None of those counties could claim to be better. Connaught were very disappointing from my own perspective as I had rated both Galway and Mayo's chances this year. But both seem to have regressed slightly.
Dublin and Kerry are stronger than previous years. Derry seem to be continuing their development and are dangerously consistent imo and could have a say yet. The rest are in a grouping. Much of a muchness.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

seafoid

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 05, 2023, 08:44:35 AM
Seafoid, no harm you are talking nonsense. The last 4 are the last 4. Going on the performances, I don't think you could make a strong case for any other county being there instead. Galway, dropped away and were extremely disappointing, Mayo not at the races, same for Tyrone. Armagh ran Monaghan close, but I think that's more to do with Monaghan being below the standard of the other 3. None of those counties could claim to be better. Connaught were very disappointing from my own perspective as I had rated both Galway and Mayo's chances this year. But both seem to have regressed slightly.
Dublin and Kerry are stronger than previous years. Derry seem to be continuing their development and are dangerously consistent imo and could have a say yet. The rest are in a grouping. Much of a muchness.
I was relaying what the RTE podcast said.
If the 2 semi finals are close and go down to the wire you are correct.