Donegal vs Armagh Ulster Championship 2022

[Armagh18]

I'd be interested to know when the last time a team had 4 players suspended for a championship match. I can't think of any in recent memory, it is unprecedented and totally disproportionate to the incident involved.

Armagh have been very very quiet on the whole incident - there has been nobody from the team management, the county board or former players putting forward any degree of protestations. I'm not sure if it is because of the GPA ban but you would like to think that they are doing everything to defend these players in the background because they haven't had much support in the media since the incident.

Would see through it if there'd been a proper brawl and lads got hurt but ffs let it go.

Kerry, Mayo or Dublin would definitely not have had people suspended for that.

[tyrone08]

Jaysus I didn't think I'd ever find a county to dislike more than Tyrone but these Donegal hoors are giving it a good go

You probably should look at the common denominator, armagh acting like hard men 😜

[tyrone08]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

Poor Tyrone.

Great contribution. Your insight and analysis is top notch 😂

[thewobbler]

Things that continue to amuse on this thread:

1. Blissfully ignoring that the Armagh squad should have known better than any other players in Ireland about how the GAA is tidying up its act - by simple virtue of being participants this season in a previous melee which was dealt with forcefully by administrators.

2. That Tyrone and Fergal Logan's lack of manoeuvring regarding their punishments from said melee, really should be a clear signal that what happened in hearings between 1884 and 2021, is no longer relevant, and you might as well discuss how netball handles disciplinary processes.

[Truth hurts]

Things that continue to amuse on this thread:

1. Blissfully ignoring that the Armagh squad should have known better than any other players in Ireland about how the GAA is tidying up its act - by simple virtue of being participants this season in a previous melee which was dealt with forcefully by administrators.

2. That Tyrone and Fergal Logan's lack of manoeuvring regarding their punishments from said melee, really should be a clear signal that what happened in hearings between 1884 and 2021, is no longer relevant, and you might as well discuss how netball handles disciplinary processes.

You would be quite the expert in hearings over the past number of years Wobbler lol

[Cavan19]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

Poor Tyrone.

Great contribution. Your insight and analysis is top notch 😂

Thanks you sir

[LCohen]

What irks me the most about the whole process is the role the media play in it.  If the ref. had an issue on the day, issue the red cards there and then and it is clear to everyone why it occurred.  However, when RTE and their pundits decide to show 5 mins of a handbags vs 30 secs of the actual game, then we have every Tom, Dick and Harry calling for suspensions ... that's what pisses me off.  Armagh are correct to challenge this all the way.

I think you are completely wrong. And I say that as an Armagh fan.

Fair enough, we all have opinions and are entitled to them.

Well some of this factual. Was it 5 mins or less? Was it only handbags or was there more in that footage? Have the media had a role in this or not? These are all facts and some of them are provable. Everyone is entiltled to hold an opinion but some opinions are wrong

The game was over. Ref and his team stood back and tried to observe the incident. No need to issue cards. Not saying that he couldn't issue card just that there was no need to. Between the officials and the camera some issues were picked up. Others were not

So let's have full transparency then and remove the ambiguity from the situation.  Let's have it explained as to the merits of what those who have been cited did vs those who were not cited.

We cant rule out that there has been transparency. Are you saying for certain that the players and management have not been told what they are accused of and what the evidence agsinst them is?

If is publication to the public that is the test of transaparency the I trust that our county board will make a public statement on the basis of their appeals - the Ciaran Mackin one will be good.

When did this 5 mins on RTE happen? As stated elsewhere it was not on the Sunday night programme.

I've the series of League Sunday recorded, they focused a lot more on the afters than on the game itself, I'll time it later if I get the chance

Have a look then

The incident is mainly handbags and those only involved in handbags are not being sanctioned. But the incident was not exclusively handbags. The incident being generally handbags cannot be a defence to those who take it a step beyond handbags.

Again, let's have the transparency then.

See above.

Has the thing that is pissing you off actually happened?

I feel that it has ... the fact that RTE, both TV and Podcast, show a bias to some situations vs others depending on who is playing pisses me off.

You "feel" that it has. What facts are these feelings based on?
How would you react if the GAA response to your call fro transparency was to state that the the disciplinary authorities just "felt" that the punishments were warranted?

Do the grounds for appeal that you have outlined actually exist as grounds of appeal and do they reflect things that have actually happened and been captured by either the camera or the officials?

I was at the game, I've watched the available footage although limited .. I'm looking at the situation in the context of what I observed being there.  Yes, I do think some of the appeals have a chance of success.

The GAA disciplinary authorities are working on what was visible by the officials and the camera. That won't be everything that occurred. What else can they do?   Should we be appealing Mackin's suspension? I say Mackin as we all know he is guilty. I am not saying a team should never appeal but there has to be proper grounds for an appeal.

As fans I think we are embarrassing ourselves and our county.

Wise up, this is a GAA Discussion Board, not The Hague 

The Hague?? Where does that come from? We have all read some frankly embarrassing stuff that never elevates itself above a childish strop. This is the fans I am talking about. Apart from appealing the Mackin decision i am not criticising the County Board (though that could change if details emerge).   

[rrhf]

Armagh finding out what it has been like for Tyrone over this past 20 years. Armagh avoided scrutiny since they had been in doldrums this past 20 years.

No other teams experience the same retrospective actions like Tyrone have over this last 20 years. From making up rules to try and ban players to incessant media scrutiny were every incident is blown out of all proportion and poured over ad nauseum. It is the most blatant anti Northern bias. Every All Ireland Tyrone have won should count double given what we have to go through to win it.

For once I agree. Kerry's new found "intensity" as Spillane calls it, that was on display vs Armagh looks very similar to Tyrone and Armagh's puke football.

They are 18 years behind with their thoughts... but could catch up very quickly.  Interesting that a lot of Kerry folk at the Tyrone game appeared to not understand the game plan and were openly and loudly frustrated at the new Kerry approach. Kerry need to be patient with this management team and in particular Paddy Tally who seems to be on top of things down there.

[David McKeown]

not every fling of the arm is a strike or attempt to strike. For example it wasn't a red card when done by Murphy during the match. It's certainly not as clear cut as you would make it out.

David
Do you think Murphy wasn't sent off because the officials decided that some punches are not red card punches or because they didn't see the incident?

There were two different incidents that I saw involving Murphy. The first is when Grugan kicked him (I thought Grugan was very lucky to be booked. On that occasion Murphy flung his arm (to use the term that's been used on here) in the direction of Forker who he clearly felt was responsible for the kick. He then got up and pushed Forker twice and Forker pushed him back. It was clearly seen by the referee who spoke to all three players involved (booking Grugan).

After the match Murphy then hit Grugan round the back of the head.  The linesman appeared to me to have a very good view of that and soon split up Murphy, two other Donegal players and Grugan. So whilst I can't be certain the officials saw the incidents I'd be shocked if they didn't.

[skeog]

Be shocked they didnt.

[rrhf]

Did Murphy not get suspended. I expected Riain O Neill would get a ban, after they missed it at the Tyrone game, it tends to come back on the lads.   

[yellowcard]

Martin McHugh is also on the CCC who looked at the Rian O'Neill incident. So we have the father of a Donegal player making decisions on an 'independent' panel who cited and issued a suspension to Armaghs best player. It's parish pump stuff. 

[clubman21]

Martin McHugh is also on the CCC who looked at the Rian O'Neill incident. So we have the father of a Donegal player making decisions on an 'independent' panel who cited and issued a suspension to Armaghs best player. It's parish pump stuff.

Oneill still gave them more than enough to go on though... not as if mchugh has the final call but the evidence of a "strike" is there unfortunately for neutral fans.

[thewobbler]

Martin McHugh is also on the CCC who looked at the Rian O'Neill incident. So we have the father of a Donegal player making decisions on an 'independent' panel who cited and issued a suspension to Armaghs best player. It's parish pump stuff.

You do know that CCC consists of many people, but each review/decision is only carried out by a smaller group of people with no conflicts of interests?

The lack of knowledge on this thread is astonishing. A a stranger to our games would be led to believe that there are no rules or procedures at all.

[clubman21]

Martin McHugh is also on the CCC who looked at the Rian O'Neill incident. So we have the father of a Donegal player making decisions on an 'independent' panel who cited and issued a suspension to Armaghs best player. It's parish pump stuff.

You do know that CCC consists of many people, but each review/decision is only carried out by a smaller group of people with no conflicts of interests?

The lack of knowledge on this thread is astonishing. A a stranger to our games would be led to believe that there are no rules or procedures at all.

Straight facts