Northern nationalists versus ?

[Angelo]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

[sid waddell]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

Ah, partitionism from the self professed follower of the PIRA!

Telling an Irishman he has no right to an opinion!

In that case, why don't you take your own advice and shut up about southern politics?!

That's not me asking you - because I think you have a right to an opinion on southern politics -  it's you asking you 

I wasn't looking for a comprehensive vindication of my posts here, but thanks for giving it all the same!

[tonto1888]

This is the place to see the true colours of our Irish men. Ones that benefit from years of freedom and ones who still are under the rule of London..

All these Tit for tat posts will make good reading

Strange that, the Sinn Fein narrative here lately has been that the PIRA actually attained freedom for their people while the citizens of the Republic simultaneously languish without freedom under Fianna Fail and Fine Gael!

Now the narrative is the opposite!

Yis are fierce confused 

SF or PIRA didn't attain anything, The north is the same place as it was when the south turned its back on it, I think it's you that is confused

I agree they didn't attain anything - except societal devastation

But I haven't been claiming they attained anything - that'd be the Shinners trying to dress up a defeat as a victory

So I'm not sure how you'd think I'm confused

Confusion, I suppose

You've literally no idea of life in the north, none, you're assessment is based on living in the south.

Be like me assessing what life would have been like without having my bag searched on way to school house being searched, intimidating work environments, job inequality, no housing, gerrymandering, I  could go on.

Nice sitting in Ivory tower looking down. 

Im not SF nor for violence.

If you believe that, then neither has Sinn Fein's leadership

The majority of the Catholic population of the north apparently had no idea what it was like to live there, given they didn't vote for Sinn Fein and didn't support the IRA

I believe you've no idea, unless you can provide me with your time, you life in the north. Your experience of the north consisted of?

Ah, the old "you don't live here" excuse beloved of the Trump cultists

I wasn't aware you had to live anywhere in particular to know that murdering civilians is wrong, but sure you learn something new every day

The same Shinners and nationalists who wheel out these weasel words are generally the same ones who have extremely strong views on politics in the Republic, but by their own logic they have no right to hold any views on politics in the Republic

Partitionists when it suits them and anti-partitionists when it doesn't 

Some rabbit hole that

Well that's a lie. You have all the hallmarks of a Trumpist.

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

I believe anyone in Ireland can have a view in any part of the country. It should be an informed view though and not just orepearing things you have read or heard

The problem here is that my opinions are informed and a certain breed of northern nationalist doesn't like that

Hence the arrival of the thought police to threads, and the re-education attempts

You form opinions through reading, hearing, watching and listening, to say otherwise would be to say that nobody here has a right to have an opinion on the Nazis because nobody here has personal experience of being oppressed by them

That would be to say that there should be no such thing as historians

That was maybe worded poorly. Of course that's how you learn and form opinions. I meant by listening to people with skewed agendas and what not. People like RDE. Or not looking into seeing if what you have read/heard has any basis in truth. Note I am not calling you an RDE. FWIW  what it's worth I generally like your posts and agree with a lot of them.

[grounded]

This is the place to see the true colours of our Irish men. Ones that benefit from years of freedom and ones who still are under the rule of London..

All these Tit for tat posts will make good reading

Strange that, the Sinn Fein narrative here lately has been that the PIRA actually attained freedom for their people while the citizens of the Republic simultaneously languish without freedom under Fianna Fail and Fine Gael!

Now the narrative is the opposite!

Yis are fierce confused 

SF or PIRA didn't attain anything, The north is the same place as it was when the south turned its back on it, I think it's you that is confused

I agree they didn't attain anything - except societal devastation

But I haven't been claiming they attained anything - that'd be the Shinners trying to dress up a defeat as a victory

So I'm not sure how you'd think I'm confused

Confusion, I suppose

Sid,

Honest question. Has reading any of the input from other posters on this thread, the Sinn Fein thread or the US thread ever enlightened  or caused you to re-evaluate your beliefs? 
       Surely the whole point of debate is to try and sway (at least some people to your line of thinking) and simultaneously trying to understand the other point of view and to theoretically (at least ) leave yourself open to be swayed the other way.
         
       

I'm always re-evaluating my beliefs

I certainly haven't been in any way swayed by any debate from Shinners, Trumpists or conservative Catholics on this forum because the standard of knowledge and debate is so low from them, and the bad faith is even worse

Right, so by insulting them do you think you will sway them over to your beliefs?
      Do you think you have swayed or influenced the other posters?
     
If the answer is ' i don't care what they think '
   Wtf is the point of debating on this forum. What do you hope to achieve bar convincing yourself you are right all the time?
   

I think you'll find I receive far more insults than I dish out and any insults I dish out are generally more than merited

I wouldn't debate opinions if I didn't think I was right

Why would anybody

Instead of moaning about my opinions, say why they're wrong

Very few people do that, far easier to just shout "Ruth Dudley Edwards" or "West Brit" or say I don't have a right to an opinion

That's persuasive, yeah

Everybody has a right to an opinion. Wether that opinion is informed or correct is a different question and can be debated.
       Speaking for myself i've been wrong on quite a few occasions and i'm not afraid to admit it on this forum or in real life. I've certainly been enlightened by some of the other posters and while not changing my fundamental beliefs its certainly led to me having a more nuanced view of some ofnthe subject matter.
       In fact i've yet to meet a single human being who has been right 100% of the time.
       So can i ask has there been any serious topic that you have changed your mind on or been proven incorrect on this forum?

[6th sam]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

I disagree with a lot of Sid's views, but he also
Makes very fair points , which tend to get undermined by his approach and apparent disdain for what he insultingly terms " a certain breed of northern nationalists" . He argues articulately but his apparent lack of understanding , empathy and rapport indicates a lack of the social intelligence required to be persuasive . Tbf he  is very consistent/persistent but I would agree that his/her views need to be put into the context of lack
Of meaningful personal experience of "The North" . He deserves enormous credit however in uniting "northern nationalists" whether SF, SDLP or whoever else  in opposition to his approach. I understand His opposition to the exclusive and unhealthy adherence to place manifested in nationalism ,  but this is in direct contrast to his unwavering Adherence to Dublin as  an permanent entity in GAA terms. I would agree that his defence of Dublin's ridiculously unfair advantages is like those unionists who begrudgingly resist any movement towards equality , as if they are concessions . Understandable resistance to the nuclear option of splitting Dublin( or in unionists' case United Ireland) is accompanied by an unneighbourly lack
Of generosity towards agreeing to equality and fairness in the meantime.

[Angelo]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

Ah, partitionism from the self professed follower of the PIRA!

Telling an Irishman he has no right to an opinion!

In that case, why don't you take your own advice and shut up about southern politics?!

That's not me asking you - because I think you have a right to an opinion on southern politics -  it's you asking you 

I wasn't looking for a comprehensive vindication of my posts here, but thanks for giving it all the same!

You're just an ignoramus, spouting on about things you have the foggiest notion on.

I have an opinion on politics in Ireland, there are two rotten states on this island. DUP/UUP have sought to create and preserve an elite Protestant ascendancy and FF/FG have done the same with a Catholic ascendancy. You have no notion on the practicality of growing up in a state where the institutions were used to an oppress a large pocket of the population. Your own free state government were compliant in this.

[sid waddell]

This is the place to see the true colours of our Irish men. Ones that benefit from years of freedom and ones who still are under the rule of London..

All these Tit for tat posts will make good reading

Strange that, the Sinn Fein narrative here lately has been that the PIRA actually attained freedom for their people while the citizens of the Republic simultaneously languish without freedom under Fianna Fail and Fine Gael!

Now the narrative is the opposite!

Yis are fierce confused 

SF or PIRA didn't attain anything, The north is the same place as it was when the south turned its back on it, I think it's you that is confused

I agree they didn't attain anything - except societal devastation

But I haven't been claiming they attained anything - that'd be the Shinners trying to dress up a defeat as a victory

So I'm not sure how you'd think I'm confused

Confusion, I suppose

Sid,

Honest question. Has reading any of the input from other posters on this thread, the Sinn Fein thread or the US thread ever enlightened  or caused you to re-evaluate your beliefs? 
       Surely the whole point of debate is to try and sway (at least some people to your line of thinking) and simultaneously trying to understand the other point of view and to theoretically (at least ) leave yourself open to be swayed the other way.
         
       

I'm always re-evaluating my beliefs

I certainly haven't been in any way swayed by any debate from Shinners, Trumpists or conservative Catholics on this forum because the standard of knowledge and debate is so low from them, and the bad faith is even worse

Right, so by insulting them do you think you will sway them over to your beliefs?
      Do you think you have swayed or influenced the other posters?
     
If the answer is ' i don't care what they think '
   Wtf is the point of debating on this forum. What do you hope to achieve bar convincing yourself you are right all the time?
   

I think you'll find I receive far more insults than I dish out and any insults I dish out are generally more than merited

I wouldn't debate opinions if I didn't think I was right

Why would anybody

Instead of moaning about my opinions, say why they're wrong

Very few people do that, far easier to just shout "Ruth Dudley Edwards" or "West Brit" or say I don't have a right to an opinion

That's persuasive, yeah

Everybody has a right to an opinion. Wether that opinion is informed or correct is a different question and can be debated.
       Speaking for myself i've been wrong on quite a few occasions and i'm not afraid to admit it on this forum or in real life. I've certainly been enlightened by some of the other posters and while not changing my fundamental beliefs its certainly led to me having a more nuanced view of some ofnthe subject matter.
       In fact i've yet to meet a single human being who has been right 100% of the time.
       So can i ask has there been any serious topic that you have changed your mind on or been proven incorrect on this forum?

I previously supported Sinn Fein (2011 and 2016 elections - Eoin O'Broin, Dublin Mid West) and now think I was wrong to do that

I switched to the Green Party/assorted left parties/candidates after that

I didn't change my views because of what I read on this forum, well actually a small part of it might have been because of the views of Sinn Fein supporters on this forum

I changed mainly because Brexit and Trump made me see that nationalism is dangerous as f**k though I do remain sympathetic or somewhat sympathetic to a lot of Sinn Fein's stances on bread and butter issues - the problem for me is that I firmly believe - and nobody has yet explained to me how this is not the case - that one cannot be a member of Sinn Fein and believe that the PIRA's campaign was an abomination - the central defining characteristic of the party is belief that the PIRA was right to do what it did

I also see that Sinn Fein has bought into the ultra-cynical Putin/Trump style world of ultra-negativity, truth twisting or truth denial, and a highly aggressive, bullying online presence

All that adds up to rotten, naked nationalism

[Angelo]

This is the place to see the true colours of our Irish men. Ones that benefit from years of freedom and ones who still are under the rule of London..

All these Tit for tat posts will make good reading

Strange that, the Sinn Fein narrative here lately has been that the PIRA actually attained freedom for their people while the citizens of the Republic simultaneously languish without freedom under Fianna Fail and Fine Gael!

Now the narrative is the opposite!

Yis are fierce confused 

SF or PIRA didn't attain anything, The north is the same place as it was when the south turned its back on it, I think it's you that is confused

I agree they didn't attain anything - except societal devastation

But I haven't been claiming they attained anything - that'd be the Shinners trying to dress up a defeat as a victory

So I'm not sure how you'd think I'm confused

Confusion, I suppose

Sid,

Honest question. Has reading any of the input from other posters on this thread, the Sinn Fein thread or the US thread ever enlightened  or caused you to re-evaluate your beliefs? 
       Surely the whole point of debate is to try and sway (at least some people to your line of thinking) and simultaneously trying to understand the other point of view and to theoretically (at least ) leave yourself open to be swayed the other way.
         
       

I'm always re-evaluating my beliefs

I certainly haven't been in any way swayed by any debate from Shinners, Trumpists or conservative Catholics on this forum because the standard of knowledge and debate is so low from them, and the bad faith is even worse

Right, so by insulting them do you think you will sway them over to your beliefs?
      Do you think you have swayed or influenced the other posters?
     
If the answer is ' i don't care what they think '
   Wtf is the point of debating on this forum. What do you hope to achieve bar convincing yourself you are right all the time?
   

I think you'll find I receive far more insults than I dish out and any insults I dish out are generally more than merited

I wouldn't debate opinions if I didn't think I was right

Why would anybody

Instead of moaning about my opinions, say why they're wrong

Very few people do that, far easier to just shout "Ruth Dudley Edwards" or "West Brit" or say I don't have a right to an opinion

That's persuasive, yeah

Everybody has a right to an opinion. Wether that opinion is informed or correct is a different question and can be debated.
       Speaking for myself i've been wrong on quite a few occasions and i'm not afraid to admit it on this forum or in real life. I've certainly been enlightened by some of the other posters and while not changing my fundamental beliefs its certainly led to me having a more nuanced view of some ofnthe subject matter.
       In fact i've yet to meet a single human being who has been right 100% of the time.
       So can i ask has there been any serious topic that you have changed your mind on or been proven incorrect on this forum?

I previously supported Sinn Fein (2011 and 2016 elections - Eoin O'Broin, Dublin Mid West) and now think I was wrong to do that

I switched to the Green Party/assorted left parties/candidates after that

I didn't change my views because of what I read on this forum, well actually a small part of it might have been because of the views of Sinn Fein supporters on this forum

I changed mainly because Brexit and Trump made me see that nationalism is dangerous as f**k though I do remain sympathetic or somewhat sympathetic to a lot of Sinn Fein's stances on bread and butter issues - the problem for me is that I firmly believe - and nobody has yet explained to me how this is not the case - that one cannot be a member of Sinn Fein and believe that the PIRA's campaign was an abomination - the central defining characteristic of the party is belief that the PIRA was right to do what it did

I also see that Sinn Fein has bought into the ultra-cynical Putin/Trump style world of ultra-negativity, truth twisting or truth denial, and a highly aggressive, bullying online presence

All that adds up to rotten, naked nationalism

The Green Party?

You must severely regret doing that now given their shameful role in government so far.

[Milltown Row2]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

I disagree with a lot of Sid's views, but he also
Makes very fair points , which tend to get undermined by his approach and apparent disdain for what he insultingly terms " a certain breed of northern nationalists" . He argues articulately but his apparent lack of understanding , empathy and rapport indicates a lack of the social intelligence required to be persuasive . Tbf he  is very consistent/persistent but I would agree that his/her views need to be put into the context of lack
Of meaningful personal experience of "The North" . He deserves enormous credit however in uniting "northern nationalists" whether SF, SDLP or whoever else  in opposition to his approach. I understand His opposition to the exclusive and unhealthy adherence to place manifested in nationalism ,  but this is in direct contrast to his unwavering Adherence to Dublin as  an permanent entity in GAA terms. I would agree that his defence of Dublin's ridiculously unfair advantages is like those unionists who begrudgingly describe any movement towards equality , as if they are concessions . Understandable resistance to the nuclear option of splitting Dublin( or in unionists' case United Ireland) is accompanied by an unneighbourly lack
Of generosity towards agreeing to equality and fairness.

Sammy Wilson Edwin Poots and Arlene also have been consistent on the north, their experiences are different to mine, completely different to Sids as well, it doesn't make them or him right, but I'd view a unionist view over his, that's been their experience, life and tradition.

An accident of birth means they have brought up different to me and given better opportunities also, I don't hate them for that.

Sids view is very black and white, he's managed to mention Trump Putin and even brought in Nazi's!

[sid waddell]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

Ah, partitionism from the self professed follower of the PIRA!

Telling an Irishman he has no right to an opinion!

In that case, why don't you take your own advice and shut up about southern politics?!

That's not me asking you - because I think you have a right to an opinion on southern politics -  it's you asking you 

I wasn't looking for a comprehensive vindication of my posts here, but thanks for giving it all the same!

You're just an ignoramus, spouting on about things you have the foggiest notion on.

I have an opinion on politics in Ireland, there are two rotten states on this island. DUP/UUP have sought to create and preserve an elite Protestant ascendancy and FF/FG have done the same with a Catholic ascendancy. You have no notion on the practicality of growing up in a state where the institutions were used to an oppress a large pocket of the population. Your own free state government were compliant in this.

I sure do, it's called the Republic of Ireland, and the "large pocket of the population" who were oppressed by state institutions are called women

They're also called Travellers, and LGBTQ+ people

I'm not sure of your views on Travellers but you certainly wanted women and LGBTQ+ to remain oppressed by state institutions

[sid waddell]

This is the place to see the true colours of our Irish men. Ones that benefit from years of freedom and ones who still are under the rule of London..

All these Tit for tat posts will make good reading

Strange that, the Sinn Fein narrative here lately has been that the PIRA actually attained freedom for their people while the citizens of the Republic simultaneously languish without freedom under Fianna Fail and Fine Gael!

Now the narrative is the opposite!

Yis are fierce confused 

SF or PIRA didn't attain anything, The north is the same place as it was when the south turned its back on it, I think it's you that is confused

I agree they didn't attain anything - except societal devastation

But I haven't been claiming they attained anything - that'd be the Shinners trying to dress up a defeat as a victory

So I'm not sure how you'd think I'm confused

Confusion, I suppose

Sid,

Honest question. Has reading any of the input from other posters on this thread, the Sinn Fein thread or the US thread ever enlightened  or caused you to re-evaluate your beliefs? 
       Surely the whole point of debate is to try and sway (at least some people to your line of thinking) and simultaneously trying to understand the other point of view and to theoretically (at least ) leave yourself open to be swayed the other way.
         
       

I'm always re-evaluating my beliefs

I certainly haven't been in any way swayed by any debate from Shinners, Trumpists or conservative Catholics on this forum because the standard of knowledge and debate is so low from them, and the bad faith is even worse

Right, so by insulting them do you think you will sway them over to your beliefs?
      Do you think you have swayed or influenced the other posters?
     
If the answer is ' i don't care what they think '
   Wtf is the point of debating on this forum. What do you hope to achieve bar convincing yourself you are right all the time?
   

I think you'll find I receive far more insults than I dish out and any insults I dish out are generally more than merited

I wouldn't debate opinions if I didn't think I was right

Why would anybody

Instead of moaning about my opinions, say why they're wrong

Very few people do that, far easier to just shout "Ruth Dudley Edwards" or "West Brit" or say I don't have a right to an opinion

That's persuasive, yeah

Everybody has a right to an opinion. Wether that opinion is informed or correct is a different question and can be debated.
       Speaking for myself i've been wrong on quite a few occasions and i'm not afraid to admit it on this forum or in real life. I've certainly been enlightened by some of the other posters and while not changing my fundamental beliefs its certainly led to me having a more nuanced view of some ofnthe subject matter.
       In fact i've yet to meet a single human being who has been right 100% of the time.
       So can i ask has there been any serious topic that you have changed your mind on or been proven incorrect on this forum?

I previously supported Sinn Fein (2011 and 2016 elections - Eoin O'Broin, Dublin Mid West) and now think I was wrong to do that

I switched to the Green Party/assorted left parties/candidates after that

I didn't change my views because of what I read on this forum, well actually a small part of it might have been because of the views of Sinn Fein supporters on this forum

I changed mainly because Brexit and Trump made me see that nationalism is dangerous as f**k though I do remain sympathetic or somewhat sympathetic to a lot of Sinn Fein's stances on bread and butter issues - the problem for me is that I firmly believe - and nobody has yet explained to me how this is not the case - that one cannot be a member of Sinn Fein and believe that the PIRA's campaign was an abomination - the central defining characteristic of the party is belief that the PIRA was right to do what it did

I also see that Sinn Fein has bought into the ultra-cynical Putin/Trump style world of ultra-negativity, truth twisting or truth denial, and a highly aggressive, bullying online presence

All that adds up to rotten, naked nationalism

The Green Party?

You must severely regret doing that now given their shameful role in government so far.

There you go again, uttering opinions on southern politics, something that according to your own beliefs, you have no right to do!

[Angelo]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

Ah, partitionism from the self professed follower of the PIRA!

Telling an Irishman he has no right to an opinion!

In that case, why don't you take your own advice and shut up about southern politics?!

That's not me asking you - because I think you have a right to an opinion on southern politics -  it's you asking you 

I wasn't looking for a comprehensive vindication of my posts here, but thanks for giving it all the same!

You're just an ignoramus, spouting on about things you have the foggiest notion on.

I have an opinion on politics in Ireland, there are two rotten states on this island. DUP/UUP have sought to create and preserve an elite Protestant ascendancy and FF/FG have done the same with a Catholic ascendancy. You have no notion on the practicality of growing up in a state where the institutions were used to an oppress a large pocket of the population. Your own free state government were compliant in this.

I sure do, it's called the Republic of Ireland, and the "large pocket of the population" who were oppressed by state institutions are called women

They're also called Travellers, and LGBTQ+ people

I'm not sure of your views on Travellers but you certainly wanted women and LGBTQ+ to remain oppressed by state institutions

I don't want any form of oppression. I would disagree that people killing unborn babies because they don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions is deplorable though.

You can't take back a like you ended but seeing as you are the only person that defended the murder of civilians on here then I can see how little value you put in human lives.

[Angelo]

There you go again, uttering opinions on southern politics, something that according to your own beliefs, you have no right to do!

You failed to address the question. Not surprising as you are a ball of contradictions and virtue signaling but behind all that facade you are routinely exposed as morally bankrupt.

[sid waddell]

But it's not a lie

Southerners are continually told by a particular breed of northern nationalist, summed up you, that they should have no view on the north

But these same northern nationalists are total hypocrites because they generally have firm views on southern politics

Also if northern nationalists tell southerners they have no right to have a view on anything on the north, which they do, don't then turn around and tell us we "abandoned" you

After all, you're the same people telling us we've no right to have a view - and if that's the case, well then "abandonment" by the south is exactly what you wanted

More hypocrisy

You shouldn't have a view on the north because you haven't a clue about it, not one single iota. All you spout is complete and utter ignorance and bile about something you don't understand or have no practical experience of.

The only hypocrisy being shown here is from you. You're the type of person who would be dangerous if they had any intelligence.

I disagree with a lot of Sid's views, but he also
Makes very fair points , which tend to get undermined by his approach and apparent disdain for what he insultingly terms " a certain breed of northern nationalists" . He argues articulately but his apparent lack of understanding , empathy and rapport indicates a lack of the social intelligence required to be persuasive . Tbf he  is very consistent/persistent but I would agree that his/her views need to be put into the context of lack
Of meaningful personal experience of "The North" . He deserves enormous credit however in uniting "northern nationalists" whether SF, SDLP or whoever else  in opposition to his approach. I understand His opposition to the exclusive and unhealthy adherence to place manifested in nationalism ,  but this is in direct contrast to his unwavering Adherence to Dublin as  an permanent entity in GAA terms. I would agree that his defence of Dublin's ridiculously unfair advantages is like those unionists who begrudgingly resist any movement towards equality , as if they are concessions . Understandable resistance to the nuclear option of splitting Dublin( or in unionists' case United Ireland) is accompanied by an unneighbourly lack
Of generosity towards agreeing to equality and fairness in the meantime.

It's hard not to have disdain for people who shower you with furious disdain merely for pointing out that the PIRA campaign was an abomination, or for pointing out that Margaret Tebbit, the wife of a Tory politician, was horrifically disabled by a bomb planted by PIRA murderers

That's the sort of healthy disdain everybody should have

Not having such leaves one open to supporting more abominations in the future

Very strange comparison of my support for Dublin GAA with blood and soil nationalism

As it happens I am open to the notion of a split in Dublin as long as it is accompanied by amalgamations of other counties

[sid waddell]

There you go again, uttering opinions on southern politics, something that according to your own beliefs, you have no right to do!

You failed to address the question. Not surprising as you are a ball of contradictions and virtue signaling but behind all that facade you are routinely exposed as morally bankrupt.

You've literally never answered a single question I've asked you on this forum but nice attempt at a bait and switch

I asked you that as a self declared supporter of the PIRA, did you ever feel shame about the their actions, you still haven't answered

And you never will