All Ireland Semi Final: The Dubs v Cavan, 1730 Saturday 5 December 2020

[dublin7]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

People are criticising Dublin for being too good to make up for their inadequacies.

Everyone outside Dublin laughed at them them in the noughties when they got wacked by the likes of Tyrone/Kerry.

Now the same numpties are moaning because Dublin have got their s**t together and have built a brilliant side.

It's typical of the ignorance and arrogance of the rest of Ireland that they now criticize the dubs for being brilliant at what they do rather than look at what they're doing wrong.

I can't speak for other Dublin fans but winning games now is even sweeter because of the bitterness and stupidity from fans of other counties

[JoG2]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

People are criticising Dublin for being too good to make up for their inadequacies.

Everyone outside Dublin laughed at them them in the noughties when they got wacked by the likes of Tyrone/Kerry.

Now the same numpties are moaning because Dublin have got their s**t together and have built a brilliant side.

It's typical of the ignorance and arrogance of the rest of Ireland that they now criticize the dubs for being brilliant at what they do rather than look at what they're doing wrong.

I can't speak for other Dublin fans but winning games now is even sweeter because of the bitterness and stupidity from fans of other counties

Quite the post! You'll enjoy a wee lie in in the morning

[imtommygunn]

Kerry still haven't replaced dara O'se or Seamus Moynihan Sid. (Or Declan O'Sullivan or Tomas or Marc O'Se really). You could argue they have replaced gooch with clifford but that's about it in terms of that level and he's still young.

I'm not familiar enough with the 70s and 80s team to know the difference from start to finish.

[thewobbler]

That's all very well Dublin7.

But another few years of every game being a procession and Dublin won't need Croke Park as a venue; anything other than AI final crowd will fit comfortably in Parnell Park.

It's around then that the media stop being bothered too. Then the sponsors shortly after.

[BennyCake]

Lads, it's pointless trying to reason with Dublin fans on this.

I still don't think they'll get it, even as they're going down with the sinking ship that is the All Ireland championship.

Their All Ireland wins have less and less value with each passing year.

[sid waddell]

From the bit I saw of the post-match coverage, it came across as if Cavanagh sort of bit his lip when he wanted to let O'Rourke have it

It seems clear to me that Cavanagh, as part of the great Tyrone team of the 2000s, would have loved nothing more than to come up against this Dublin team, to challenge himself and his team - the ultimate challenge, to beat this Dublin team

And you could tell that he genuinely believed that Tyrone team could have done it - I would agree - they could have, they had the talent, the belief and the drive - a much inferior Tyrone team in terms of talent were only beaten by 6 in the 2018 final

But it's not politically correct to utter such an opinion

Discussion within the GAA about the county system has been so distorted and stifled by whinging that anybody not uttering the politically correct opinion now gets shouted down

Brexit thinking

[6th sam]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

Agree totally re Munster. You could go back to previous posts I made in 2009 about this , but presumably you actually have a life and won't bother 😂. The provincial titles have their place but they lose credibility if they confer an advantage in the All ireland stage. Kerry and cork benefitted from this for years, as they only had to get serious in July , as even a Munster final defeat meant continued involvement in AI. This is accentuated by the "success breeds success" phenomenon, whereby players from Dublin and Kerry can realistically expect to play regularly in Croke Park. Antrim however , with relatively good population resources have a much more difficult path to Croker.

[sid waddell]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

Agree totally re Munster. You could go back to previous posts I made in 2009 about this , but presumably you actually have a life and won't bother 😂. The provincial titles have their place but they lose credibility if they confer an advantage in the All ireland stage. Kerry and cork benefitted from this for years, as they only had to get serious in July , as even a Munster final defeat meant continued involvement in AI. This is accentuated by the "success breeds success" phenomenon, whereby players from Dublin and Kerry can realistically expect to play regularly in Croke Park. Antrim however , with relatively good population resources have a much more difficult path to Croker.

In the same way that the Irish Labour Party is sometimes referred to as the biggest political case study of failure in Europe, Antrim is the biggest case study of failure in history of the GAA

[SouthDublinBro]

That's all very well Dublin7.

But another few years of every game being a procession and Dublin won't need Croke Park as a venue; anything other than AI final crowd will fit comfortably in Parnell Park.

It's around then that the media stop being bothered too. Then the sponsors shortly after.

Is the rest of Ireland really so pathetic that they would down their tools and stop attending football matches just because they can't take a beating off the Dubs?

[JoG2]

From the bit I saw of the post-match coverage, it came across as if Cavanagh sort of bit his lip when he wanted to let O'Rourke have it

It seems clear to me that Cavanagh, as part of the great Tyrone team of the 2000s, would have loved nothing more than to come up against this Dublin team, to challenge himself and his team - the ultimate challenge, to beat this Dublin team

And you could tell that he genuinely believed that Tyrone team could have done it - I would agree - they could have, they had the talent, the belief and the drive - a much inferior Tyrone team in terms of talent were only beaten by 6 in the 2018 final

But it's not politically correct to utter such an opinion

Discussion within the GAA about the county system has been so distorted and stifled by whinging that anybody not uttering the politically correct opinion now gets shouted down

Brexit thinking

Disagree. Talent, belief and drive, absolutely. The Dublin team have this, but their conditioning is phenomenal. Everyone of them has the strength and power to continuously ride and break through tackles from 1/2/3 players from the opposition team and create 2 on 1s, 3 on 2s etc. They all do it, doesn't give them a 2nd thought to invite a tackle knowing a turn over is as rare as hen's teeth. Is it possible for other counties to reach these conditioning levels? Very much doubt it

That's all very well Dublin7.

But another few years of every game being a procession and Dublin won't need Croke Park as a venue; anything other than AI final crowd will fit comfortably in Parnell Park.

It's around then that the media stop being bothered too. Then the sponsors shortly after.

Is the rest of Ireland really so pathetic that they would down their tools and stop attending football matches just because they can't take a beating off the Dubs?

The Dubs have stopped attending their own games ffs! 

[thewobbler]

That's all very well Dublin7.

But another few years of every game being a procession and Dublin won't need Croke Park as a venue; anything other than AI final crowd will fit comfortably in Parnell Park.

It's around then that the media stop being bothered too. Then the sponsors shortly after.

Is the rest of Ireland really so pathetic that they would down their tools and stop attending football matches just because they can't take a beating off the Dubs?

You are not near wise in the head fella.

[dublin7]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

People are criticising Dublin for being too good to make up for their inadequacies.

Everyone outside Dublin laughed at them them in the noughties when they got wacked by the likes of Tyrone/Kerry.

Now the same numpties are moaning because Dublin have got their s**t together and have built a brilliant side.

It's typical of the ignorance and arrogance of the rest of Ireland that they now criticize the dubs for being brilliant at what they do rather than look at what they're doing wrong.

I can't speak for other Dublin fans but winning games now is even sweeter because of the bitterness and stupidity from fans of other counties

Quite the post! You'll enjoy a wee lie in in the morning

Absolutely!!!

I had a few pints watching the game in the pub with my mates and enjoyed the game.

If stupid, bitter fools can't enjoy the football the dubs are playing then that's their problem.

[sid waddell]

From the bit I saw of the post-match coverage, it came across as if Cavanagh sort of bit his lip when he wanted to let O'Rourke have it

It seems clear to me that Cavanagh, as part of the great Tyrone team of the 2000s, would have loved nothing more than to come up against this Dublin team, to challenge himself and his team - the ultimate challenge, to beat this Dublin team

And you could tell that he genuinely believed that Tyrone team could have done it - I would agree - they could have, they had the talent, the belief and the drive - a much inferior Tyrone team in terms of talent were only beaten by 6 in the 2018 final

But it's not politically correct to utter such an opinion

Discussion within the GAA about the county system has been so distorted and stifled by whinging that anybody not uttering the politically correct opinion now gets shouted down

Brexit thinking

Disagree. Talent, belief and drive, absolutely. The Dublin team have this, but their conditioning is phenomenal. Everyone of them has the strength and power to continuously ride and break through tackles from 1/2/3 players from the opposition team and create 2 on 1s, 3 on 2s etc. They all do it, doesn't give them a 2nd thought to invite a tackle knowing a turn over is as rare as hen's teeth. Is it possible for other counties to reach these conditioning levels? Very much doubt it

Of course it is - there is nothing in the genetic make up of these Dublin players that makes them superior in fitness terms to anybody else

Had that Tyrone been around now they undoubtedly would have reached the level needed, and you can expect full well that Kerry and probably Mayo both, hopefully Donegal, will over the coming years

The same thing was said about the Kerry team of the 1970s and 1980s, would they have been able to reach the conditioning levels of the 2000s teams had they been around in the 2000s

Again, the answer is yes, of course they would have, you can only work within the norms of the time

[6th sam]

There's 2 games to go this season, but people are saying Dublin are too good so they have to be stopped. Shame on Dublin for being brilliant. That's unfair on everyone else.

It's like the kid in school taking his ball home with him because he's not any good compared to everybody else.

The begrudgery is something else. Only in Ireland do people get abused for being brilliant at what they do. Its some stupid jealous trait that people in Ireland want to see successful people fail and get abused rather than acknowledge their success.

You are asking for others to show insight...please look in the mirror. This is nothing to do with begrudge ry or Anti-Dublin. We are just highlighting dreadful inequality.

The Munster Football Championship has survived for 130 years with dreadful inequality, far worse inequality than exists in the current All-Ireland football championship

There have never been calls for Kerry to be split up, say, to field divisional teams

It's difficult to think that the calls to split Dublin are not motivated by anti-Dublinness because the reaction to Dublin's success is entirely different to the success of any team in the history of the GAA

Agree totally re Munster. You could go back to previous posts I made in 2009 about this , but presumably you actually have a life and won't bother 😂. The provincial titles have their place but they lose credibility if they confer an advantage in the All ireland stage. Kerry and cork benefitted from this for years, as they only had to get serious in July , as even a Munster final defeat meant continued involvement in AI. This is accentuated by the "success breeds success" phenomenon, whereby players from Dublin and Kerry can realistically expect to play regularly in Croke Park. Antrim however , with relatively good population resources have a much more difficult path to Croker.

In the same way that the Irish Labour Party is sometimes referred to as the biggest political case study of failure in Europe, Antrim is the biggest case study of failure in history of the GAA

You're right there are similarities. There are longstanding advantages enjoyed by FFG as a result of their origins in AI war and civil war. Labour were not able to fight this right wing axis for 3 main reasons : 1. Many FF supporters who would be centre left, felt a responsibility to stick with their civil war family loyalties. 2. Labour in Ireland did not enjoy the same unions attachment and support of benefactors, as their counterparts in the UK. 3. The media and business promoted the FFG axis .
Labour and other parties, could have challenged the status quo but didn't ever manage this successfully, therefore the status quo perpetuates to the advantage of FFG.

Antrim GAA were disadvantaged by being a minority sport in a sectarian state, and still despite being Ireland's second largest city , Antrim's subsidies from GAA are dwarfed by Dublin. The AI fixture inequality keeps them away from the glamour if the AI series and the national media ignore their plight and favour Dublin. Their home venue is not an 82000 masterpiece, it's a silage field , for several reasons.
Much like the Irish Labour Party , Antrim has problems, but most of them aren't of their own making.
Give Antrim a chance on a Level playing field, and we'll see how they do

[JoG2]

From the bit I saw of the post-match coverage, it came across as if Cavanagh sort of bit his lip when he wanted to let O'Rourke have it

It seems clear to me that Cavanagh, as part of the great Tyrone team of the 2000s, would have loved nothing more than to come up against this Dublin team, to challenge himself and his team - the ultimate challenge, to beat this Dublin team

And you could tell that he genuinely believed that Tyrone team could have done it - I would agree - they could have, they had the talent, the belief and the drive - a much inferior Tyrone team in terms of talent were only beaten by 6 in the 2018 final

But it's not politically correct to utter such an opinion

Discussion within the GAA about the county system has been so distorted and stifled by whinging that anybody not uttering the politically correct opinion now gets shouted down

Brexit thinking

Disagree. Talent, belief and drive, absolutely. The Dublin team have this, but their conditioning is phenomenal. Everyone of them has the strength and power to continuously ride and break through tackles from 1/2/3 players from the opposition team and create 2 on 1s, 3 on 2s etc. They all do it, doesn't give them a 2nd thought to invite a tackle knowing a turn over is as rare as hen's teeth. Is it possible for other counties to reach these conditioning levels? Very much doubt it

Of course it is - there is nothing in the genetic make up of these Dublin players that makes them superior in fitness terms to anybody else

Had that Tyrone been around now they undoubtedly would have reached the level needed, and you can expect full well that Kerry and probably Mayo both, hopefully Donegal, will over the coming years

The same thing was said about the Kerry team of the 1970s and 1980s, would they have been able to reach the conditioning levels of the 2000s teams had they been around in the 2000s

Again, the answer is yes, of course they would have, you can only work within the norms of the time

It's a no though. Every advantage under the sun. Their conditioning though, and it's the last time I mention it is far superior to any other counties.
Look, if this was a golden generation the Dubs would be wanting to milk every last victory, whether in Leinster or the AI series. But it's not. How many started tonight that started in 2011? Cluxton, McCarthy? Any others? Dublin supporters are willing and hoping beyond hope that somehow a team comes along that puts it up to them on a regular bases, even wins a game. I honestly can't see it happening anytime soon. Time hop back all you want and bring club winners into, but the craic has been sucked out of the race for Sam