Feile an Phobail

[Snapchap]

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

You haven't answered the question. If I ask you if you believe the British Army were a terrorist organisation, then clearly I'm asking you about the British Army and not the IRA. At a loss as to why you won't state your opinion. If a terrorist organisation is one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.

What are you raving about "hill to die on"? Not dying on any hill. I merely pointed out that you were wrong to say the IRA killed thousands. Now I understand that you'd prefer to get away with telling such a lie, but I think it was worth calling out, because it says something about you.

[Main Street]

As an event with public funding there should be more checks and balances. Unfortunately it is a SF run thing and the leadership on the ground over there should start reading the room and realise that there's a real opportunity to make a difference here. Step away from the whatabout politics and show leadership.

On top of all of that Wolfe Tones are pure dung!  I know a few bars of some of the songs but genuinely couldn't sing one the whole way through....thankfully!

Apart from the Wolf Tones chorus bit,  if it's a Sinn Féin run thing,  then credit where credit is due to Sinn Fein. Feile an Phobail is about the best thing to emerge from the troubles, it is a hugely successful city festival of culture, tradition, language and progressive debate. An incredible amount of work must go into organizing such an event. Take out that one grand finale song from the Feile and what are you left with?  would it still be a festival of hate and Sinn Fein to be begrudged?

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Naw you are right they only killed 1700-sweet jesus catch yerself on man, 50%

[trailer]

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

You haven't answered the question. If I ask you if you believe the British Army were a terrorist organisation, then clearly I'm asking you about the British Army and not the IRA. At a loss as to why you won't state your opinion. If a terrorist organisation is one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.

What are you raving about "hill to die on"? Not dying on any hill. I merely pointed out that you were wrong to say the IRA killed thousands. Now I understand that you'd prefer to get away with telling such a lie, but I think it was worth calling out, because it says something about you.

I'm not raving. And it says far more about you than it does about me when you are an apologist for murderers.

[Snapchap]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Naw you are right they only killed 1700-sweet jesus catch yerself on man, 50%

So not thousands. But I suppose when you want to score points, who cares about lying about the deaths of hundreds of people, eh?

[Snapchap]

Were the British Army* a terrorist organisation, Trailer?

*Note: My question is about the British Army, not the IRA.

Hopefully we might get a straight answer today.

[marty34]

The thing is, "Unapologetically British" in a 6 county context tends to mean being a belligerent, intransigent, right wing, anti-Irish supremacist.

The brass neck of DUP and other Loyalist politicians bemoaning one single bonfire in Derry when it's exactly the same thing they get up to every July on a much larger scale is almost unbelievable.  Loyalist culture seems to be sacred - you can't challenge, criticise or oppose it without them going into full siege mentality.

Exactly, the irony of it all.

Imagine Gary Midleton tweeting that statement last night.  Incidentially I think that bonfire is a joke. Run by dissoes probably and young hoods. I'd say it has 1% support in Derry city.

The symbolism of the north is british/unionist (look at City Hall and Stormont etc.) It's on say Level 10, whereas Irishness is on about Level 1.

As the demographics change in time, things change.  Bi-lingual roads names is an issue for unionists now. The narrative for unionists nowadays is...if nationalists get something, then we must also get something therefor that gap will always exist in terms of symbolism as the gap was that big in the first place.

Isn't it ironic now that SF want this place to work while the DUP are doing their best not to make it work?

As I said yesterday, Féile has been fantastic for west Belfast. ...compared to what went before.

If the Wolfe Tones go, what will be next? Will there be a campaign to cancel a discussion on the causes of the conflict (if there's a debate next year)? Will there be a campaign to cancel a GAA blitz next year?

Where does it stop?

We see how Colin Harvey is treated, how your man Kelly of Manufacturing ni is treated when he said the protocol is good for business?  We see it in the campaign to limit the movement of facultities away from Coleraine to Derry.  We see it in the campaign to damage gaa clubs and their members.

[trailer]

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

You haven't answered the question. If I ask you if you believe the British Army were a terrorist organisation, then clearly I'm asking you about the British Army and not the IRA. At a loss as to why you won't state your opinion. If a terrorist organisation is one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.

What are you raving about "hill to die on"? Not dying on any hill. I merely pointed out that you were wrong to say the IRA killed thousands. Now I understand that you'd prefer to get away with telling such a lie, but I think it was worth calling out, because it says something about you.

I'm not raving. And it says far more about you than it does about me when you are an apologist for murderers.

Were the British Army* a terrorist organisation, Trailer?

*Note: My question is about the British Army, not the IRA.

Were the IRA?

[marty34]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

Well obviously not everybody disagrees with it when there looked to be a few hundred at it.

Haven't heard from SF that they disagreed with it either!!

I'm sure they'd say it's time for that annual bonfire to go.  It benefits no-one. 

Féile shows how a proper programme of events can be organised and developed over time.

[marty34]

When ever ye get round to scaling down ir stopping mimicking "Loyalist" carry on can the first step be to abolish those godawful "republican flute bands"?
They're an insult to our thousands of years of great Irish music heritage.

Absolutely, they're horrendous

I agree 100%.

[Throw It Up Ref]

When ever ye get round to scaling down ir stopping mimicking "Loyalist" carry on can the first step be to abolish those godawful "republican flute bands"?
They're an insult to our thousands of years of great Irish music heritage.

Absolutely, they're horrendous

I agree 100%.

Fully agree. Penalty of death for anyone found guilty

[Snapchap]

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

You haven't answered the question. If I ask you if you believe the British Army were a terrorist organisation, then clearly I'm asking you about the British Army and not the IRA. At a loss as to why you won't state your opinion. If a terrorist organisation is one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.

What are you raving about "hill to die on"? Not dying on any hill. I merely pointed out that you were wrong to say the IRA killed thousands. Now I understand that you'd prefer to get away with telling such a lie, but I think it was worth calling out, because it says something about you.

I'm not raving. And it says far more about you than it does about me when you are an apologist for murderers.

Were the British Army* a terrorist organisation, Trailer?

*Note: My question is about the British Army, not the IRA.

Were the IRA?

Stop ducking and diving. Were the British Army a terrorist organisation?

[marty34]

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

You haven't answered the question. If I ask you if you believe the British Army were a terrorist organisation, then clearly I'm asking you about the British Army and not the IRA. At a loss as to why you won't state your opinion. If a terrorist organisation is one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims", does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.

What are you raving about "hill to die on"? Not dying on any hill. I merely pointed out that you were wrong to say the IRA killed thousands. Now I understand that you'd prefer to get away with telling such a lie, but I think it was worth calling out, because it says something about you.

I'm not raving. And it says far more about you than it does about me when you are an apologist for murderers.

Were the British Army* a terrorist organisation, Trailer?

*Note: My question is about the British Army, not the IRA.

Were the IRA?

Stop ducking and diving. Were the British Army a terrorist organisation?

He's been asked that 3 or 4 times now but no answer.

Although he gives a real definate answer on the IRA.

Not sure if he was talking about the 'old IRA' or the 'new IRA' though.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Naw you are right they only killed 1700-sweet jesus catch yerself on man, 50%

So not thousands. But I suppose when you want to score points, who cares about lying about the deaths of hundreds of people, eh?

Redner for you, totally brainwashed

[Snapchap]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Naw you are right they only killed 1700-sweet jesus catch yerself on man, 50%

So not thousands. But I suppose when you want to score points, who cares about lying about the deaths of hundreds of people, eh?

Redner for you, totally brainwashed

Brainwashed? So I'm wrong when I say the IRA didn't kill "thousands"?