If it's not about the money then why are Dublin so far ahead?

[Ohtoohtobe]

Money is a help but it isn't the be all and end all. If it was, England would win every rugby world cup and give the soccer one a right go.
Home games are a help but they aren't the be all and end all. If they were, every home nation would win every world cup in every sport. And when Dublin were getting destroyed by Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties, we heard how it was a disadvantage.
As for them not working, well they're missing a former footballer of the year this year because of his profession, so I don't get that argument.

The truth is they have a once-in-a-lifetime group of players and they're well coached. Simple as that.

The good news is, it's cyclical and always has been.

PS: Leave the Lilies alone. Robots work not only hard but efficiently.

[highorlow]

The argument about yer forwards does not stick. The title is why are ye so "far ahead" of the rest.

The Dublin professionalism in an amateur sport allows ye to be far far fitter than anyone else. This is why ye more often than not get past teams in the 2nd half.

The diff in gap between Dublin and yer opponents is now only gauged by how late ye leave it in matches to finish off teams. It's easy for yer superstar forwards to score when ye have the opposition out on their feet. Put any of the Mayo forwards on our panel into the Dublin 15 and they would probably get 3/4 points from play every game and look like superstars.

Can the Westmeath lads say they were as good as Dublin yesterday for the 1st half?
they can for sure, so skill levels are not what's causing the gap. It's something deeper and completely unfair.

[dublin7]

The argument about yer forwards does not stick. The title is why are ye so "far ahead" of the rest.

The Dublin professionalism in an amateur sport allows ye to be far far fitter than anyone else. This is why ye more often than not get past teams in the 2nd half.

The diff in gap between Dublin and yer opponents is now only gauged by how late ye leave it in matches to finish off teams. It's easy for yer superstar forwards to score when ye have the opposition out on their feet. Put any of the Mayo forwards on our panel into the Dublin 15 and they would probably get 3/4 points from play every game and look like superstars.

Can the Westmeath lads say they were as good as Dublin yesterday for the 1st half?
they can for sure, so skill levels are not what's causing the gap. It's something deeper and completely unfair.

Tactics alos played a part. Westmeath played very deep with 2 sweepers in the 1st half. Dubs brought on Paddy Andrews (forward) for a defender at half time and for a period had 8 forwards on the pitch.  They pushed up on Westmeath spread the defence and took their chances. 

DOC is the only Mayo forward who would make the Dublin team. If the dubs forwards were of the standard of Mayo's forwards they wouldn't have won 3 All-Irelands in the last 5 years money or no money   

[seafoid]

If the Dubs were the dogs bollocks they wouldn't need a rest year after every all Ireland 

[The Aristocrat]

Another Dublin thread begrudging them.

You are watching a team which are one of the most natural and most skilful footballing team ever with a genius in charge of them, a once in a life time team playing the most beautiful football ever witnessed, changing the game for the better. The average scores across all teams and games is the 2nd highest with still some games left.

Enjoy it now, this team will not be around for ever, 1 to 3 years max before tiredness sets in.

A great time to be a fan. Enjoy it lads.

P.S Kerry have it the easiest in Ireland. Go look what they do for a living, look at the billion Euro company sponsor they get everything off and the 3 easy games they have to get to the semi final, a joke.

[The Aristocrat]

And also, I don't think Dublin will win it this year, its too hard to do back to back plus losing two of the best defenders to play the game doesn't help, Dublin look lethargic at times.

Tyrone, Galway or Mayo will win it. If Dublin draw Mayo in the quarters, they will beat Dublin.

[Lar Naparka]

Money is a help but it isn't the be all and end all. If it was, England would win every rugby world cup and give the soccer one a right go.
Home games are a help but they aren't the be all and end all. If they were, every home nation would win every world cup in every sport. And when Dublin were getting destroyed by Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties, we heard how it was a disadvantage.
As for them not working, well they're missing a former footballer of the year this year because of his profession, so I don't get that argument.

The truth is they have a once-in-a-lifetime group of players and they're well coached. Simple as that.

The good news is, it's cyclical and always has been.

PS: Leave the Lilies alone. Robots work not only hard but efficiently.

Of course money isn't everything but try telling that to someone who has to scrimp and save in order to survive and you'll get a different answer.

For other counties, it's a case of all fur coats and no knickers all the way.
Take Mayo for example.
The proportion of the annual income that is spent on preparing the county team is far higher than it is in Dublin So Mayo can't afford to lorry out money for underage development and the likes.
(Can't think of a present panel member who came up through the ranks, as it were.)

You won't find primary schools around Pollawaddy or Cruckbulllaghadan getting (paid) coaches from the local GAA club train the school teams. Mayo does haven't an underage development policy. Dunno if it's there in theory or not but I can't think of a single member of the present panel who came up through the ranks. The money just isn't there.

Home games are a help but they aren't the be all and end all.
Just stick the word "tremendous" between "a" and "help" and you'll be closer to the mark.

As for them not working, well they're missing a former footballer of the year this year because of his profession, so I don't get that argument.

FFS, you are mentioning just one player. Talk about one swallow making a summer!

And when Dublin were getting destroyed by Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties, we heard how it was a disadvantage.

Back then, Dublin did not have the present, professional structures it has now. Many counties had bigger populations and more money than either Kerry or Tyrone back then and the game wasn't nearly as professionalised as it is today.

The truth is they have a once-in-a-lifetime group of players and they're well coached. Simple as that.
Huh?
I can't see how that is simple. Dublin has no end of class young players coming through. They have the money and the foresight to keep them coming.
There is no evidence whatsoever to think that this Dublin team is a once-in-a lifetime phenomenon. The Kilkennys and McCarthys will keep coming through, year after year.

The good news is, it's cyclical and always has been.

Well, I can agree with half of that. It may have been cyclical but the major difference between the past and the present is that the likes of Tyrone and Kerry had to compete on even terms with many other counties. 
In every conceivable way, that can't be said about Dublin at present.

[highorlow]

This thread isn't begrudging Dublin at all.

It is simply spelling out the facts as they currently are. Dublin have a huge advantage over other counties and it is money that is the key factor imo.

It's easy for your genius manager to see that the financially inferior Westmeath trained team were running out of puff against the financially superior Dublin trained team, then, of course he is going to bring on more attackers.

Shur if ye passed the ball to the streaker yesterday he would have scored.

Dublin can afford the best of dietitians, physios, forwards coach (sherlock i believe), food suppliers, swimming pools etc.

If you can't see this as an advantage over the others than you are blind.

[easytiger95]

Money is a help but it isn't the be all and end all. If it was, England would win every rugby world cup and give the soccer one a right go.
Home games are a help but they aren't the be all and end all. If they were, every home nation would win every world cup in every sport. And when Dublin were getting destroyed by Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties, we heard how it was a disadvantage.
As for them not working, well they're missing a former footballer of the year this year because of his profession, so I don't get that argument.

The truth is they have a once-in-a-lifetime group of players and they're well coached. Simple as that.

The good news is, it's cyclical and always has been.

PS: Leave the Lilies alone. Robots work not only hard but efficiently.

Of course money isn't everything but try telling that to someone who has to scrimp and save in order to survive and you'll get a different answer.

For other counties, it's a case of all fur coats and no knickers all the way.
Take Mayo for example.
The proportion of the annual income that is spent on preparing the county team is far higher than it is in Dublin So Mayo can't afford to lorry out money for underage development and the likes.
(Can't think of a present panel member who came up through the ranks, as it were.)

You won't find primary schools around Pollawaddy or Cruckbulllaghadan getting (paid) coaches from the local GAA club train the school teams. Mayo does haven't an underage development policy. Dunno if it's there in theory or not but I can't think of a single member of the present panel who came up through the ranks. The money just isn't there.

Home games are a help but they aren't the be all and end all.
Just stick the word "tremendous" between "a" and "help" and you'll be closer to the mark.

As for them not working, well they're missing a former footballer of the year this year because of his profession, so I don't get that argument.

FFS, you are mentioning just one player. Talk about one swallow making a summer!

And when Dublin were getting destroyed by Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties, we heard how it was a disadvantage.

Back then, Dublin did not have the present, professional structures it has now. Many counties had bigger populations and more money than either Kerry or Tyrone back then and the game wasn't nearly as professionalised as it is today.

The truth is they have a once-in-a-lifetime group of players and they're well coached. Simple as that.
Huh?
I can't see how that is simple. Dublin has no end of class young players coming through. They have the money and the foresight to keep them coming.
There is no evidence whatsoever to think that this Dublin team is a once-in-a lifetime phenomenon. The Kilkennys and McCarthys will keep coming through, year after year.

The good news is, it's cyclical and always has been.

Well, I can agree with half of that. It may have been cyclical but the major difference between the past and the present is that the likes of Tyrone and Kerry had to compete on even terms with many other counties. 
In every conceivable way, that can't be said about Dublin at present.

Dublin went 15 years without an All Ireland between 95 and 2011 - it was during this time that the structures were put in place. it is up to Mayo and other counties as to whether they take a long term view or not. However, as Dublin proved, putting in the structures is not a quick fix and only guarantees long term stability.

You've been told before, by me and others, that the members of the Dublin football team all have full time jobs. You're lying and you should stop.

As for home games - Leinster counties have consistently voted to keep Dublin in Croke Park, Dublin have consistently abstained. The same counties who are taking the hammerings in Leinster. If turkey vote for Christmas, are we supposed to skip Christmas dinner? BTW we didn't do too bad in Nowlan Park this year.

You whinge about the conveyor belt of talent in Dublin being unfair because of the "professional stuctures" but then lament that Mayo aren't spending enough on the self same structures. I wonder how people from Sligo and Leitrim feel about your poor mouth?

The straitened circumstances of Mayo (although these are first world problems we're talking about) can be traced back to the redevelopment of Castlebar at just precisely the wrong time, though that does not excuse your first teamers from missing scores I could kick. The bravest thing Dublin CB did was accept that what they were doing was wrong and would not bring them long term results. Until other CBs apply such honesty to their own set ups, they are destined to underachieve.

I'd advise you to apply the same honesty to your internet scribblings, but as your comments on the Dubs lack of jobs prove, honesty isn't your thing.

[DUBSFORSAM1]

Dublin would have greater funding as they fund Hurling/Football/Ladies Football and Camoige which a lot of other counties wouldn't be doing

Would love to see what would happen if Dublin didn't play in Croke Park and the funding was therefore cut for every other county due to the lack of fans paying for tickets.

[AZOffaly]

Dublin would have greater funding as they fund Hurling/Football/Ladies Football and Camoige which a lot of other counties wouldn't be doing

Would love to see what would happen if Dublin didn't play in Croke Park and the funding was therefore cut for every other county due to the lack of fans paying for tickets.

What *would* happen?
No gear for lads maybe. Less paid coaches. Maybe a bit less mercenary managers as well.

As we are an amateur organisation, with a level of cash needed to repay capital projects, what exactly is the break even amount, and why do we need any more than that? Especially if the excess is not distributed evenly?

[Zulu]

A lot of nonsense being spouted again about the Dubs.

What proof do people have that Dublin are fitter than their opponents? There are huge numbers of amateur sports people who do Ironman's, marathons, adventure sports etc. how do these people (most off their own backs) manage to get fit enough to do these sports? You could provide me with all the financial and coaching support in the world and I'd still never beat Usain Bolt in a 100m sprint. Dublin with a bigger pick will often have better natural athletes but when they are also tremendous footballers like Connolly or Brogan then you have a potent mix.

As much as I'd love to see Mayo win an All Ireland I find it strange and ironic that these nonsense treads are being fuelled mainly by Mayo posters. Mayo enjoys and always has enjoyed many of the advantages over most other counties that you claim Dublin enjoy over everyone else. Population, financial support, coaching assistance for your teams, handy jobs for the main players etc. but I never heard you raise that unfairness before, odd.



The Dublin footballers don't have jobs line should be proven by those claiming it or should be dropped. Saying it as fact when it clearly isn't just makes lads look like one eyed fools.

[screenexile]

Another Dublin thread begrudging them.

You are watching a team which are one of the most natural and most skilful footballing team ever with a genius in charge of them, a once in a life time team playing the most beautiful football ever witnessed, changing the game for the better. The average scores across all teams and games is the 2nd highest with still some games left.

Enjoy it now, this team will not be around for ever, 1 to 3 years max before tiredness sets in.

A great time to be a fan. Enjoy it lads.

P.S Kerry have it the easiest in Ireland. Go look what they do for a living, look at the billion Euro company sponsor they get everything off and the 3 easy games they have to get to the semi final, a joke.

And how does this differ from the Dubs??

[The Aristocrat]

Another Dublin thread begrudging them.

You are watching a team which are one of the most natural and most skilful footballing team ever with a genius in charge of them, a once in a life time team playing the most beautiful football ever witnessed, changing the game for the better. The average scores across all teams and games is the 2nd highest with still some games left.

Enjoy it now, this team will not be around for ever, 1 to 3 years max before tiredness sets in.

A great time to be a fan. Enjoy it lads.

P.S Kerry have it the easiest in Ireland. Go look what they do for a living, look at the billion Euro company sponsor they get everything off and the 3 easy games they have to get to the semi final, a joke.

And how does this differ from the Dubs??

Not much difference, but one main one Dublins is highlighted more than any other county because of Hate.

[highorlow]

What proof do people have that Dublin are fitter than their opponents? There are huge numbers of amateur sports people who do Ironman's, marathons, adventure sports etc. how do these people (most off their own backs) manage to get fit enough to do these sports?

The results prove this.

The bit in bold is relevant to most other teams apart from Dublin. The Dublin players have the funding to invest in all the best sports science and food programmes going the others don't.

p.s. this is not about Dublin v Mayo.

It is correct to say that our players are getting the best possible training etc available to them within the budget that we can afford. But this still would not compare to what the Dublin players get. Add in the home advantage and it's the perfect one sided scenario for Dublin not to mention some of the favorable CCCC decisions and referee's decisions that go yer way.

And this is my whole point, if we or Westmeath or all the rest had the same resources available as Dublin then there would be a level playing pitch. Skills and class players should not equate to 10 or 15 point drubbings ye hand out almost every game.

In fact the winning margins in Dublin games are more than likely equivalent to the financial resource gap between the counties they beat.


The only solution is to take all sponsership be it Elvery's, AIG or anyone else and put this into one fund and spread it equally around the country. Otherwise the county game will be in ruins in 5 to 10 years time.