Republican Presidential Debate

[J70]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

[J70]

I watched the "pregame" with Bill O'Reilly and the entire debate to see if there would be any substance this early in their stages to nomination.

Things I learned:

Bill O'Reilly implies that America needs an aggressive and in your face candidate who is willing to go to war, deregulate all forms of containment of corporations to help them grow and keep the minions (citizens) docile with promises of grandeur.

From the debate:

Obama is the only reason the US is in dire straights.

Hillary is the Anti-Christ.

God (the Christian version) loves America (sorry Jews/Islams/Indian Religions/Asian/African/Indigenous and all others).

Who won?
From my perspective John Kasich Ohio Governor.

Who lost?
The American people.

I didn't see enough substance from one candidate from the 10 that would standout, maybe it is still too early. The way it played out and if it continues on the same path there will be another Democrat in the White House, as a Democrat I can live with that. Do I want Hillary there? NO. I hope to see a fresh face with a new platform that helps stimulate economic/employment/education/international policy/social policy growth. My hopes for that person from either party is diminishing each and every election year.

You see what you want to see, I hardly ever watch O'Reilly and agree with some of your comments,that said Hilary is a horrible bitch and should be in jail not running for President.

He wants a strong leader and is right about the ineptitude of this President, he has been a disaster, just like his predecessor was.

He does not want to keep the people docile as you say, that is just pure bullshit on your behalf.

This country has had two of the worst leaders in American history, back to back, they are both bottom 5 or six, the US needs to go in a completely new direction, they dont need liars like Clinton and idiots like Trump and Walker, the country needs a leader who is poised, well versed in dealing with foreign policy and someone who has a vision for the country in terms of economic growth, someone who will whittle down the deficit and someone who will take a look at the issues of immigration and Obamacare and work to improve the lives of everyone in the country, not just the elite.

Sorry, not seeing how Obama will rank bottom five or six among presidents, especially given the hand he was dealt in terms of the economic collapse and the scorched earth policies of the GOP.

Who do you see who fits your profile or wish list?

[muppet]

Dunno anything about this guy, but this reads extremely well. About time someone running for high office, anywhere, spoke like this:

http://www.trueactivist.com/18-ceos-called-out-by-bernie-sanders-for-taking-trillions-in-bailouts-evading-taxes-and-outsourcing-jobs

Senator Sanders, in his no-nonsense approach, released a report identifying 18 CEOs responsible for wrecking the economy.

Bernie Sanders is the underdog in the American political race, but he's quickly gaining momentum as a prime candidate to lead the US, as his no-nonsense, candor approach is appreciated by many – especially the millennial generation.

In response to 80 CEOS recently publishing a letter on the Wall Street Journal lecturing America about deficit reduction and urging them to "act on the deficit and reform Medicare and Medicare," Sanders had the following to say:

There really is no shame. The Wall Street leaders whose recklessness and illegal behavior caused this terrible recession are now lecturing the American people on the need for courage to deal with the nation's finances and deficit crisis. Before telling us why we should cut Social Security, Medicare and other vitally important programs, these CEOs might want to take a hard look at their responsibility for causing the deficit and this terrible recession.

Our Wall Street friends might also want to show some courage of their own by suggesting that the wealthiest people in this country, like them, start paying their fair share of taxes. They might work to end the outrageous corporate loopholes, tax havens and outsourcing provisions that their lobbyists have littered throughout the tax code – contributing greatly to our deficit.

Many of the CEO's who signed the deficit-reduction letter run corporations that evaded at least $34.5 billion in taxes by setting up more than 600 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens since 2008. As a result, at least a dozen of the companies avoided paying any federal income taxes in recent years, and even received more than $6.4 billion in tax refunds from the IRS since 2008.

Several of the companies received a total taxpayer bailout of more than $2.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department.

Many of the companies also have outsourced hundreds of thousands of American jobs to China and other low wage countries, forcing their workers to receive unemployment insurance and other federal benefits. In other words, these are some of the same people who have significantly caused the deficit to explode over the last four years.

Remaining true to his promise to serve the people as a politician, Sanders responded to the lecture from the American CEO's by releasing a report detailing how 18 of them have helped blow up the deficit and wreck the economy outsourcing jobs and evading US taxes.

The list of 18 CEO's follows:
1) Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $1.9 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? Over $1.3 trillion.

Amount of federal income taxes Bank of America would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.6 billion.

2) Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $278 million tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.7 billion

3) JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon
Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $416 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes JP Morgan Chase would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.9 billion.

4) General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $3.3 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve? $16 billion.

Jobs Shipped Overseas? At least 25,000 since 2001.

5) Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $705 million tax refund.

American Jobs Cut in 2010? In 2010, Verizon announced 13,000 job cuts, the third highest corporate layoff total that year.

6) Boeing CEO James McNerney, Jr.
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? None. $124 million tax refund.

American Jobs Shipped overseas? Over 57,000.

Amount of Corporate Welfare? At least $58 billion.

7) Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer
Amount of federal income taxes Microsoft would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $19.4 billion.

Honeywell International CEO David Cote
Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $34 million tax refund.

9) Corning CEO Wendell Weeks
Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $4 million tax refund.

10) Time Warner CEO Glenn Britt
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $74 million tax refund.

11). Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $55 million tax refund.

12) Deere & Company CEO Samuel Allen
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $1 million tax refund.

13) Marsh & McLennan Companies CEO Brian Duperreault
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $90 million refund.

14) Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs
Amount of federal income taxes Qualcomm would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.7 billion.

15) Tenneco CEO Gregg Sherill
Amount of federal income taxes Tenneco would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $269 million.

16)  Express Scripts CEO George Paz
Amount of federal income taxes Express Scripts would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $20 million.

17) Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman
Amount of federal income taxes Caesars Entertainment would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $9 million.

18). R.R. Donnelly & Sons CEO Thomas Quinlan III
Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $49 million tax refund.

As PoliticusUSA discloses, eighteen of the 80 CEOs who signed the call for deficit action are actually some of the biggest outsourcers and tax cheats in America. Not only did they crash the economy in 2008, they followed that incident by taking billions in taxpayer bailout dollars.

Then, they outsourced jobs and evaded taxes. It's pretty unbelievable, then, that they are now calling for action on a deficit that they helped create over the past four years.

Thankfully, Senator Sanders is not standing for the corruption and has done a great deed by bringing the disgraceful actions of these CEOs to attention.

[whitey]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

[muppet]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

He is a candidate. It makes sense for him not to allow questions about Trump to sidetrack his campaign.

Are you running as well? Will questions about Trump sidetrack your campaign? 

[whitey]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

He is a candidate. It makes sense for him not to allow questions about Trump to sidetrack his campaign.

Are you running as well? Will questions about Trump sidetrack your campaign? 

Ehhhh.... theres something like 17 candidates running for the Republican nomination.

Am I expected to have an opinion on every statement each one of the 17 makes?

The real story last week was the Planned Parenthood tapes, butlets not worry about that. Lets keep the focus on whether Megyn Kelly was having her period when she tried to torpedo Trump.

[muppet]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

He is a candidate. It makes sense for him not to allow questions about Trump to sidetrack his campaign.

Are you running as well? Will questions about Trump sidetrack your campaign? 

Ehhhh.... theres something like 17 candidates running for the Republican nomination.

Am I expected to have an opinion on every statement each one of the 17 makes?

The real story last week was the Planned Parenthood tapes, butlets not worry about that. Lets keep the focus on whether Megyn Kelly was having her period when she tried to torpedo Trump.

So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?

[whitey]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

He is a candidate. It makes sense for him not to allow questions about Trump to sidetrack his campaign.

Are you running as well? Will questions about Trump sidetrack your campaign? 

Ehhhh.... theres something like 17 candidates running for the Republican nomination.

Am I expected to have an opinion on every statement each one of the 17 makes?

The real story last week was the Planned Parenthood tapes, butlets not worry about that. Lets keep the focus on whether Megyn Kelly was having her period when she tried to torpedo Trump.

So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?

Interesting perspective given YOU  just copied and pasted a long blurb about Bernie Sanders into the same thread.

[muppet]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

He is a candidate. It makes sense for him not to allow questions about Trump to sidetrack his campaign.

Are you running as well? Will questions about Trump sidetrack your campaign? 

Ehhhh.... theres something like 17 candidates running for the Republican nomination.

Am I expected to have an opinion on every statement each one of the 17 makes?

The real story last week was the Planned Parenthood tapes, butlets not worry about that. Lets keep the focus on whether Megyn Kelly was having her period when she tried to torpedo Trump.

So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?

Interesting perspective given YOU  just copied and pasted a long blurb about Bernie Sanders into the same thread.

I am not the one telling everyone the REAL STORY is something completely different to the topic.

Sanders is running for President isn't he?

[whitey]

"So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?"

[muppet]

"So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?"

Ok we'll do this your way.

So you are saying there is no connection between the 18 CEOs on the list and any Republican candidate?

[Oraisteach]

I wasn't expecting Rubio or any other of the Tailored Ten to respond to all of Trump's obtuse remarks, but equally their silence was, as they say, deafening.  And, whitey, how in the name of any mediocre public speaker do you think Trump handled the questions well.  To quote an eminent thinker, Donald Trump, he was a "moron," a "loser," a "disgrace."

I may have to amend my earlier view that I hope he gets the nomination.  As I look at the rise of populist jingoistic anti-immigrant parties in Europe (e.g. UKIP in Britain, National Front in France, Berlusconi in Italy, and many others), I'm not keen to see neo-Fascism get an even firmer foothold. I like that his buffoonery and offensiveness is causing the GOP to squirm, but I don't want to see a surge in his popularity and what he stands for.

[whitey]

"So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?"

Ok we'll do this your way.

So you are saying there is no connection between the 18 CEOs on the list and any Republican candidate?

Some of the people on that list are big Democratic donors and huge Hillary supporters

[muppet]

"So the real story wasn't the Republican Presidential Debate?

Why are you posting on the Republican Presidential Debate thread then?"

Ok we'll do this your way.

So you are saying there is no connection between the 18 CEOs on the list and any Republican candidate?

Some of the people on that list are big Democratic donors and huge Hillary supporters

Bout you are not allowed to talk about them, your own rules. 

Former Goldman Sachs CEO, Hank Paulson, was nominated by Bush to be Treasury Secretary. He created TARP.

TARP gave around $700bn to Wall St, including many on that list, and others. To put that amount in context, it was close to the total amount of US dollars in circulation at the time.

[J70]

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

Ahhhhh.....the war on women is starting early this cycle.

You have no problem with Trump's comments?

Some of his colleagues for nomination do.

I think this would pretty well sum up my opinion on the matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/08/rubio-wont-comment-on-everything-donald-trump-says/

Seriously?  You cannot express an opinion on what Trump said about various women over the years, most recently Megan Kelly, because... why??